BOTTOM LINE: IF ANY XIAN CAN HEAL ME BY THE DIVINE POWER OF JESUS THEN I WILL BELIEVE, SINCE NO XIAN HAS BEEN ABLE TO THEN THE BIBLE IS BS BECAUSE THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT A BELIEVER WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAL THE SICK
@josephjester , I agree with everything you said but that he cannot get rid of his own arrogance. Arrogance is from pride. It is a sin. He cannot get rid of his sin. Sin is like an addiction. Only God can heal him of this sickness. You as a Christian know this. He is going to have to suffer greatly and have a person of true love and grace, mercy come to him while he is going through this great tribulation. Then when he realizes what has come upon him he will have to make a choice.
All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
I think it would be a miracle if people suddenly at the exact same time, collectively and consciously all just said "Holy shit! I can't believe I've been butchering the english language by saying 'would of' instead of 'would have' on the internet all this time!"
Not only would it be a miracle but it would also discourage me from wanting to kill someone every time I read it.
I would pray for people to realize the difference between "then" and "than", but that would be asking too much
C'mon man, you're setting off my BS, cop-out alarm!!
How do u think I became an atheist?? By evidence. It took about 3 yrs of continual study. The evidence I found is right there in scripture....& the Ugaritic Texts. But the point is, if u have evidence that I'm not aware of, post it!! Look at it this way. maybe someone whose watching this, & there are many, I assure you, just might be some who are on the fence. What u provide may sway them to seek your Xian god!
The same mentality as me?? Absolutely not! You're out of your league!
Don't talk shit...debate!
Lets see what u can do. It should be easy since u declare that I have no interest in answers or evidence!
Put up, or shut up.
Start with explaining JC's failed prophecy that he returned 2K yrs ago, during the lifetimes of his disciples! Lets hear your explanation of why it didn't happen, or that he really didn't mean what he said, or that it's cryptic for 2012, or some such shit!
C'mon Sparky...you don't know YT shorthand by now??? There's no excuse for that!
But just to educate you, my posts often run over the 500 char. limit. So i'm used to using it. If you have to go slower to figure it out, I'll send you a sheet with all of the shorthand characters and their meanings.
Now, are u gonna rock 'n roll, or talk shit? I wanna see your substantiated claims!
I can't believe a rational thinking person is asking such a question...if in fact, u r rational!
Just bcuz he supposedly made us (and btw, he didn't. You'll know why if you really know scripture), and u have no reason to claim he did, that doesn't give it a right to torture and kill us!!
What's more. Yahweh ordered humans not to violate his moral rules, yet he did exactly that. He was a genocidal monster, yet you can't figure out why! U only think you must justify & defend it!
Not some "thing" I made, but it sure as hell evil to mistreat, not to mention torture, another sentient being..once it's been created!!
U bring a child into the world, in a "sense" u created it. U gave it life. Do u have a right to treat it anyway u wish? If your child rejects u, is it evil to tie him up in your basement & torture him day & night?? Damn right it is!
I criticize the Xian god, not only by our moral standards, but by his own words & deeds. He is vile & despicable!
Btw, just to tell you where my interests are...I have spent much time studying scripture, the ancient manuscripts, the Codices, and the early church. I not only came to the conclusion that the bible was not inerrant & that the Xian god was a tyrannical, evil, killing machine. It had no care or concern for compassion, forgiveness, etc. That was all BS, and jesus was worse than Yahweh, bcuz of his threat of hell! Only an insane being would create a Hell! Is that the god you worship?
I was being facetious...but lets get to the good stuff; Please define what god is and all of his attributes, & how you came to know this. And btw, it is possible to know someone better than they know themselves....just to respond to your quip!
I need not tell myself anything. It's about learning & experience. I leave those who talk to themselves to do just that. Are you in hat category?
But most importantly, stop lying to yourself in that u are not rejecting God. I was rejecting God as an agnostic, yet the whole time I was agnostic, I didn't think I was rejecting Him either
You weren't a true agnostic! A true agnostic would never convert. A true agnostic has learned too much to then throw it all away for faith! That's doing it backwards! Remember, "you can never unring a bell!" This is why once an agnostic, or an atheist, always one!
If the Xian existed, or any god for that matter, why would he create our reality with so much evidence that flatly implies he doesn't exist. If god exists, he must not want us to know it, so for all practical purposes, he doesn't exist.
If the Xian god existed, we should expect he would want everyone to know he's real, since salvation is the bible's main message, but what do we see? Not one shred of evidence. In fact, the more possible evidence we look at, the more it makes us doubt!
Wtf are you talking about. First you claim god exists, without evidence, then you claim that spirits exist and that mine is calling me a liar.
You are delusional my friend. Thats the great thing about science, you dont have to seek it, its either there or it isnt. You took a subjective experience and claim it as evidence. Pfft. Sorry I feel for you, I really do.
@Xamaza There is evdidence that you are going to die one day. That is a guarenteed fact for everyone. Its a fact that you do not know when you will die. It could be in 5 mintues, 5 yeasr or you may be dead before you recieve this comment. So if you can face death not worrying about what happens after that than I guess you are brave. Just put it out of your head. But if you cant I would suggest you find oit as soon as possible if god exisists. Or ata least give it a try. Its a no lose situation
Excuses for what? I dont need excuses, what is wrong with you? I do this in case someone actually comes up with VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE and so far, I get loud mouth morons that are in fact delusional.
What changed your mind? If you were smart enough to be agnostic, then you are smart enough to know you need evidence. You either got it or you didnt. If you did, share it, if not, then you are an idiot. See how that works?
What faith are you talking about? I dont believe in bigfoot, the fairies, leprechauns. It isn't blind faith to say that those things dont exist either BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THOSE CLAIMS.
Stop trying to attack me and share with us the evidence you claimed you had. If you dont have any, then clearly your god does not exist, save IN YOUR HEAD, thus making it a delusion. A to B to C. Wanting it to be true doesnt make it true son. btw, what self-condemnation?
As for being judged for what? There is NOTHING you could possibly have done due to believing in god that I can not do without believing in god.
If you have an example of something positive and helpful that only believers can do, please let me know.
I dont need excuses, I need evidence. You could convert me on the spot if you just answered the question of what this amazing evidence you have that PROVES GOD EXISTS. That is what I need. You either lack it, or cant share it.
So again since you cant seem to answer the question. "Look around you" is not evidence. You said you had evidence, please share SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF ANY GOD.
The difference is, you are delusional and I am not. I require evidence before I believe in something, you do clearly do not. Soothe my conscience? You act like I have done something wrong. Unless arguing with an idiot on the internet is damnable... I have committed no crime against anyone.
@josephjester moronic buttfuck, since you dont remember, let me show you:
My belief in God is based upon evidence. Otherwise, I would still be like I was before...I would still be like you.
You claimed there your belief in god was based on evidence. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE YOU DUNCE? Do you not even read what you post? damn.
I dont reject god anymore than I reject fairies. Rejecting would first require they exist based on evidence, then ignoring evidence, like people do with evolution.
Oh I have listened to you, you claim to have evidence and I called you out and asked you to provide which you have not. Put up or shut up or simply retract your claim of evidence for the existence of god and I will leave you alone.
If you are going to say your belief in god is based on evidence, I am going to ask, what evidence. Your deflection indicates that it is not evidence at all and I see through your attempts at bad mouthing me as a way avoid answering and that is fine.
I love that response. I hear it often from people that claim to know how I think and what I would or would not reject with evidence. If allah is proven to be god, I would have no problem believing in him or Zues or Apollo or Krishna.
So bring out this evidence. Please leave subjective experiences in your head please!
@josephjester All of them stupid enough to believe in stuff without evidence. Muslims are far worst than Christians about their beliefs, they actually live by the book. But I have yet to have a jew ever say anything...
If whom I talk to about this matters to you regarding EVIDENCE that YOUR GOD exists, then I have to question your comprehension of the discussion at hand.
Are you suggesting that I pick on xians? Yes they are easy targets, please see yourself for reasons why...
Your question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Who said all delusional people are insane and in asylums? Come now my friend, can you not answer relevant questions about god or do you have no evidence to back up anything you assert here? Of course you dont, thats the problem with ALL religions, not just yours(whichever it is anyway).
I disagree, pointing out that someone is suffering from a mild delusion is not pointless even if the subject of the delusion is imaginary. If you cant see the similarities with god, unicorns, leprechauns and fairies, then it is you that it speaks against not I.
This is a misnomer. Every time science finds something to fill the gap, morons point to either side of that fossil and say ' zomg look 2 new gaps they cant explain!'
Its retarded logic at best, blatant stupidity at worse. If you seek fossil evidence (for which we have a plethora) go visit any good museum. If they do not have the originals, they have replicas. You can find the originals if you do some research and go visit them if you desire.
There is no reason to reject anything that doesnt exist. I dont reject fairies, I just say there is no evidence to support they exist, so they dont. I dont hold it against fairies or feel 'good' about rejecting them, they just dont exist. If you can prove fairies or you god exists, please let us know, until then neither exist.
@josephjester does say it's sphere tho no?..I if it say in the bible that earth was sphere i'd be impressed. if you live on earth and look around you, w/o knowing the shape of the earth, if you're writting about it, you what shape does it look like? circle right? so what makes you believe in the bible? It doesn't really tell you nothin' about the world today. the prophesies in the bible aren't helping at all, the bible advocate for slavery and rape, what makes u believe in it?
@josephjester does say it's sphere tho no?..I if it say in the bible that earth was sphere i'd be impressed. if you live on earth and look around you, w/o knowing the shape of the earth, if you're writting about it, you what shape does it look like? circle right? so what makes you believe in the bible? It doesn't really tell you nothin' about the world today. the prophesies in the bible aren't helping at all, the bible advocate for slavery and rape, what makes u believe in it?
@josephjester does it's sphere tho?..I mean if the bible said that it was sphere i'll be impressed. I mean if you live on earth and look around you, w/o knowing the shape of the earth, if you're writting about it, just looking around you what shape does it look like? circle right? so what makes you believe in the bible? the bible doesn't tell you nothin' about the world today. the prophesies in the bible aren't helping at all, the bible advocate for slavery and rape, what makes u believe in it?
@josephjester ha read Isaiah 40:22, it says alot about how the earth is circle, well flat circle,..it's doesn't say that the earth is round or sphere...
@josephjester goddamn you,..lol no one ever say that species into another specie you moron, people don't change overnight into monkeys or monkeys evolve into gorrillaz, but change overtime. for example I was born withoutappandix, that's evolution, we don't need it anymore, so now it's starting to disappear. after 2 billions years we'll be different, probably bigger brain, better vision better skin etc...because that's how evolution works things don't turn into things overnight
so you saying 99.98% of scientist that support evolution are all ignorant and ignore all the facts you speak of that disprove evolution? the fact is its not just biologist that say evolution is real, is about a dozen different branches of the scientific community.
"I said inconclusive." It's what I meant, my apologies.
"And by compatible, I mean they can sexually reproduce with one another." that makes much more sense than before.
"Apes and humans can't sexually reproduce." Having common ancestry does not imply humans and apes are able to 'do it'.
"Amazing how your example is a sideways step..."
I'm simply saying we wouldn't know a dog, is a dog, is a dog without genetic comparison. It also allows us to accurately predict the breeding of any 2 dogs.
"Genetic evidence is inconclusive at best. Inconclusive proves nothing."
Something dead sharing large genetic sequencing to something living is very important. Obviously if they don't share a big percentage, THAT is inconclusive...
"Again, inconclusive...And how do you prove that scientifically? "
Rock formations over time bury dead/living animals in forming of a new layer, generally the layer we walk on is the newest...
I think we're done here, go read a science book if you're that clueless
Ugh...you can know a lot about fossils, especially those that leave behind genetic material. Simply extract and compare it's sequence to a database of living organisms.
Recognizing what animal it "resembles" aids this process, but it's not just a guess.
For non-living fossils, you can physically measure their decay rates, as well as study the fossil record for fossils found at whatever geological location it was found.
Rock layers, and where/what fossils are found in that layer are related...
I do know of real miracles but Christianity is about faith. They searched for miracles and signs since the beginning and there has been millions upon millions. True faith is what it means to believe. Do you believe in the wind? I do and yet I can't see it!
I have long suspected that the Jesus myth was a little hoax that spun out of control. I reject Christ completely from my life, so codependent that he had nothing better to do than to die for my sins. No, thank you. What an immensely SHITTY GIFT to give to people you are supposed to love!
Believe what you wish, but please, shove your faith DEEP into a closet, because the general public does not care what you believe.
how can you say that the theory of evolution does not involve scientific consideration? Do you have any idea what steps have been taken leading up to the understanding of evolution we now have? Countless experiments, phylogenetic examination, analyzing DNA sequences.. the list goes on. I don't understand how people can comment on and judge something they clearly have no idea about.
well how about the miracles that priests do with little boys at church. I bet jesus tell them to do it. get over this religious bullshit and open your eyes. there are bigger problems like global warming and shit. Jesus won't come to stop it.
and stories about people being healed after praying to jesus? THEN WHY DO WE HAVE HOSPITALS? lets all just pray that these retard Christians get some sense in their heads and stop bullshitting themselves and pushing their thoughts and beliefs on others.
okay, those who shall believe shall see, if you don't believe you shall not see. God wants faith in him, You give in to satan, you do his work, but when the LORD ask something of you for the better, you treat him as he's not being Loving and Merciful, You guys sold your soul to Hell, and you will see after Life is over what is real.. God has shown me the way and the light, I will not fall victim to you atheist ways. There's only one way to heaven . Through the Blood of Jesus Christ
I have been present when people have been healed I have also heard of many other testimonies of people being healed after prayer in Jesus' name. The stories are out there if you wanna find them.
Here is the thing. You are making a huge argument from ignorance. That is a formal logical fallacy. Please look it up. Who is to say that is not human nature. It could be a coping stance. A resigning into. Acceptance.I don't know for sure either. Just because you can not fathom it, does not mean the only explanation is god. Don't you think that is hugely arrogant. It is. Not to mention lazy. Try to think of more rational explanations before just passing it off as god did it. Really!
YOU are missing the point. How in the world does THAT prove the existence of a higher power. You said it does.I'll say it yet again. That has to be lamest argument ever. What is your point anyhow?
I am not going to bother with you anymore. All you are doing is making unbacked assertions and ignoring the points I counter your silly claims with." People will willingly suffer/die in the name of faith. The only possible way they could do that is because there is a higher power". I am sorry. That is fractally wrong(look up that term, it is not misspelled) and patently absurd no matter how you rationalize it. Give you head a shake
Who said anything about crazy? Delusion does not equate to crazy. Psychology is the study of human behavior. We have a very clear understanding of how people can be persuaded to do things they otherwise would not if they "think" they have a reason. It is not a cloudy or mysterious matter. They can also be persuaded to do horrible things. Good people do good things, bad do bad. For a good person to do bad things, that takes faith. I am not missing your point. You don't have one.
That might be the worst, most thoughtless argument I have heard. Do you think I meant believers are lying outward? Lying to themselves. Deluded. Convinced of something not true. Because people on the whole have very flawed minds(a product of the brain) and are so hoodwinked into belief for various reasons, that is the "hard evidence"? It is not my intent to insult you but your ad hoc reasoning is near comical. Please try harder. Martyrs most certainly CAN be explained by science. Psych 101.
That just it. They don't explain. Nor does anything else. Faith is just a glorified lie. It is beyond me why anyone would believe something without ANY real evidence. Old stories and lack of understanding the real world just don't count. Nor (even more so) do personal experiences. It fascinates me(and scares) that so many people have this mass delusion there is some god and some part of us continues after we die. We invented it all to placate our fears about the unknown. And control. That it.
Every thing is either a hoax or anecdotal. Especially Fatima. Listen to Brian Dunnings podcast Skeptoid episode #110 Illuminating the Fatima "Miracle of the Sun"
He thoroughly debunks it. Miracles are complete nonsense. While you are at it look up Occam's Razor.
Funny those were only "repaired portions" after the dating, and that the Church has refused any further carbon dating attempts on the un-repaired portions. It's also funny that you'll swallow whatever apologetics propaganda comes your way regardless of whether it seems rational under scrutiny or not.
You do realize that it can't possibly be, right? The Shroud of Turin shows the holes in Jesus's wrists can't possibly be where they nailed him to the cross. They'd have had to nail him to the cross through the palms.
Garret nailed you, also the Shroud has been conclusively dated, and it was made hundreds and hundreds of years after the accepted time of Jesus' death.
For one example, you site Padre Pio, who was caught red-handed (no pun intended) ordering bottles of whatever stupid oil he was using to fake stigmata.
yah, that's pretty weak sauce. That's not even close to being a miracle, let alone the kind of miracle that you know damn well what he's really asking for.
OMG! You just flushed my comment down the toilet. lol.
I would be willing to bet that almost nobody is in the womb for 'exactly' 9 months, but unless problems occur, it's usually pretty damn close. That's why we refer to human pregnancies as being 9 months long.
BOTTOM LINE: IF ANY XIAN CAN HEAL ME BY THE DIVINE POWER OF JESUS THEN I WILL BELIEVE, SINCE NO XIAN HAS BEEN ABLE TO THEN THE BIBLE IS BS BECAUSE THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT A BELIEVER WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAL THE SICK
stopevil 3 months ago
@josephjester , I agree with everything you said but that he cannot get rid of his own arrogance. Arrogance is from pride. It is a sin. He cannot get rid of his sin. Sin is like an addiction. Only God can heal him of this sickness. You as a Christian know this. He is going to have to suffer greatly and have a person of true love and grace, mercy come to him while he is going through this great tribulation. Then when he realizes what has come upon him he will have to make a choice.
Truth77Absolute 3 months ago
I do not have a problem with atheists it is just that they are the most cowardly people in society.
Truth77Absolute 3 months ago
its a miracle that you are not dead yet.lol.
Truth77Absolute 3 months ago
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All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
There is only one miracle that I recognize as valid and irrefutable. That miracle is BACON!
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago 6
Well said/done Matt Dillahunty. How does that phrase go? "Put up or shut up.” ;O)
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Katalyzt 1 year ago
I think it would be a miracle if people suddenly at the exact same time, collectively and consciously all just said "Holy shit! I can't believe I've been butchering the english language by saying 'would of' instead of 'would have' on the internet all this time!"
Not only would it be a miracle but it would also discourage me from wanting to kill someone every time I read it.
I would pray for people to realize the difference between "then" and "than", but that would be asking too much
berner 1 year ago
err, religion is bullshit. nuff said.
123perrin 1 year ago 2
josephjester
C'mon man, you're setting off my BS, cop-out alarm!!
How do u think I became an atheist?? By evidence. It took about 3 yrs of continual study. The evidence I found is right there in scripture....& the Ugaritic Texts. But the point is, if u have evidence that I'm not aware of, post it!! Look at it this way. maybe someone whose watching this, & there are many, I assure you, just might be some who are on the fence. What u provide may sway them to seek your Xian god!
Lets c the evidence
Cootabux 1 year ago
josephjester
The same mentality as me?? Absolutely not! You're out of your league!
Don't talk shit...debate!
Lets see what u can do. It should be easy since u declare that I have no interest in answers or evidence!
Put up, or shut up.
Start with explaining JC's failed prophecy that he returned 2K yrs ago, during the lifetimes of his disciples! Lets hear your explanation of why it didn't happen, or that he really didn't mean what he said, or that it's cryptic for 2012, or some such shit!
Cootabux 1 year ago
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josephjester
Piss on your YT shorthand. Have you noticed I'm able to write NORMALLY, and even INCLUDE copies of YOUR text as well?
Sure! That's easy when one has nothing to say!
Cootabux 1 year ago
josephjester
C'mon Sparky...you don't know YT shorthand by now??? There's no excuse for that!
But just to educate you, my posts often run over the 500 char. limit. So i'm used to using it. If you have to go slower to figure it out, I'll send you a sheet with all of the shorthand characters and their meanings.
Now, are u gonna rock 'n roll, or talk shit? I wanna see your substantiated claims!
Cootabux 1 year ago
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josephjester
I can't believe a rational thinking person is asking such a question...if in fact, u r rational!
Just bcuz he supposedly made us (and btw, he didn't. You'll know why if you really know scripture), and u have no reason to claim he did, that doesn't give it a right to torture and kill us!!
What's more. Yahweh ordered humans not to violate his moral rules, yet he did exactly that. He was a genocidal monster, yet you can't figure out why! U only think you must justify & defend it!
Cootabux 1 year ago
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josephjester
Not some "thing" I made, but it sure as hell evil to mistreat, not to mention torture, another sentient being..once it's been created!!
U bring a child into the world, in a "sense" u created it. U gave it life. Do u have a right to treat it anyway u wish? If your child rejects u, is it evil to tie him up in your basement & torture him day & night?? Damn right it is!
I criticize the Xian god, not only by our moral standards, but by his own words & deeds. He is vile & despicable!
Cootabux 1 year ago
josephjester
Btw, just to tell you where my interests are...I have spent much time studying scripture, the ancient manuscripts, the Codices, and the early church. I not only came to the conclusion that the bible was not inerrant & that the Xian god was a tyrannical, evil, killing machine. It had no care or concern for compassion, forgiveness, etc. That was all BS, and jesus was worse than Yahweh, bcuz of his threat of hell! Only an insane being would create a Hell! Is that the god you worship?
Cootabux 1 year ago
josephjester
I was being facetious...but lets get to the good stuff; Please define what god is and all of his attributes, & how you came to know this. And btw, it is possible to know someone better than they know themselves....just to respond to your quip!
I need not tell myself anything. It's about learning & experience. I leave those who talk to themselves to do just that. Are you in hat category?
Cootabux 1 year ago
josephjester
But most importantly, stop lying to yourself in that u are not rejecting God. I was rejecting God as an agnostic, yet the whole time I was agnostic, I didn't think I was rejecting Him either
You weren't a true agnostic! A true agnostic would never convert. A true agnostic has learned too much to then throw it all away for faith! That's doing it backwards! Remember, "you can never unring a bell!" This is why once an agnostic, or an atheist, always one!
Cootabux 1 year ago
If the Xian existed, or any god for that matter, why would he create our reality with so much evidence that flatly implies he doesn't exist. If god exists, he must not want us to know it, so for all practical purposes, he doesn't exist.
If the Xian god existed, we should expect he would want everyone to know he's real, since salvation is the bible's main message, but what do we see? Not one shred of evidence. In fact, the more possible evidence we look at, the more it makes us doubt!
Cootabux 1 year ago
Fucking Magnets!
JacksInn 1 year ago
@josephjester
Wtf are you talking about. First you claim god exists, without evidence, then you claim that spirits exist and that mine is calling me a liar.
You are delusional my friend. Thats the great thing about science, you dont have to seek it, its either there or it isnt. You took a subjective experience and claim it as evidence. Pfft. Sorry I feel for you, I really do.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
Well if god proved to YOU he exists, tell me how. Are you so ashamed of your belief you cant even discuss it?
I dont believe in god, BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE EXISTS.
I dont believe in Santa, fairies, leprechauns, unicorns FOR THE SAME REASONS.
That is what you you dont get. I dismiss these things due to lack of evidence supporting their existence, other than being 100% made up.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@Xamaza There is evdidence that you are going to die one day. That is a guarenteed fact for everyone. Its a fact that you do not know when you will die. It could be in 5 mintues, 5 yeasr or you may be dead before you recieve this comment. So if you can face death not worrying about what happens after that than I guess you are brave. Just put it out of your head. But if you cant I would suggest you find oit as soon as possible if god exisists. Or ata least give it a try. Its a no lose situation
Truth77Absolute 3 months ago
@josephjester
Excuses for what? I dont need excuses, what is wrong with you? I do this in case someone actually comes up with VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE and so far, I get loud mouth morons that are in fact delusional.
What changed your mind? If you were smart enough to be agnostic, then you are smart enough to know you need evidence. You either got it or you didnt. If you did, share it, if not, then you are an idiot. See how that works?
The only one making excuses, is you.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
What faith are you talking about? I dont believe in bigfoot, the fairies, leprechauns. It isn't blind faith to say that those things dont exist either BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THOSE CLAIMS.
Stop trying to attack me and share with us the evidence you claimed you had. If you dont have any, then clearly your god does not exist, save IN YOUR HEAD, thus making it a delusion. A to B to C. Wanting it to be true doesnt make it true son. btw, what self-condemnation?
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
As for being judged for what? There is NOTHING you could possibly have done due to believing in god that I can not do without believing in god.
If you have an example of something positive and helpful that only believers can do, please let me know.
I dont need excuses, I need evidence. You could convert me on the spot if you just answered the question of what this amazing evidence you have that PROVES GOD EXISTS. That is what I need. You either lack it, or cant share it.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
So again since you cant seem to answer the question. "Look around you" is not evidence. You said you had evidence, please share SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF ANY GOD.
The difference is, you are delusional and I am not. I require evidence before I believe in something, you do clearly do not. Soothe my conscience? You act like I have done something wrong. Unless arguing with an idiot on the internet is damnable... I have committed no crime against anyone.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester moronic buttfuck, since you dont remember, let me show you:
My belief in God is based upon evidence. Otherwise, I would still be like I was before...I would still be like you.
You claimed there your belief in god was based on evidence. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE YOU DUNCE? Do you not even read what you post? damn.
I dont reject god anymore than I reject fairies. Rejecting would first require they exist based on evidence, then ignoring evidence, like people do with evolution.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
Actually I dont think you are wrong and I am right, my position is neutral. You make a positive claim, which you further claim is based on evidence.
There is no evidence in god so I can dismiss any claims of his existence If you can provide evidence I would happily concede.
Enlighten us please oh follower of Joshua. Bring forth this evidence so that you can be a beacon of light in this world of darkness.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
Oh I have listened to you, you claim to have evidence and I called you out and asked you to provide which you have not. Put up or shut up or simply retract your claim of evidence for the existence of god and I will leave you alone.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
If you are going to say your belief in god is based on evidence, I am going to ask, what evidence. Your deflection indicates that it is not evidence at all and I see through your attempts at bad mouthing me as a way avoid answering and that is fine.
If you cant or wont answer it, go away.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
I love that response. I hear it often from people that claim to know how I think and what I would or would not reject with evidence. If allah is proven to be god, I would have no problem believing in him or Zues or Apollo or Krishna.
So bring out this evidence. Please leave subjective experiences in your head please!
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester All of them stupid enough to believe in stuff without evidence. Muslims are far worst than Christians about their beliefs, they actually live by the book. But I have yet to have a jew ever say anything...
If whom I talk to about this matters to you regarding EVIDENCE that YOUR GOD exists, then I have to question your comprehension of the discussion at hand.
Are you suggesting that I pick on xians? Yes they are easy targets, please see yourself for reasons why...
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
Your question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Who said all delusional people are insane and in asylums? Come now my friend, can you not answer relevant questions about god or do you have no evidence to back up anything you assert here? Of course you dont, thats the problem with ALL religions, not just yours(whichever it is anyway).
Praise Zeus, creator of all things! Disprove it.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
I disagree, pointing out that someone is suffering from a mild delusion is not pointless even if the subject of the delusion is imaginary. If you cant see the similarities with god, unicorns, leprechauns and fairies, then it is you that it speaks against not I.
Thanks for playing!
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
Prove that fairies do not exist. Prove that mermaids dont exist. Prove that leprechauns do not exist.
They all exist until you prove otherwise. Do you realize how retarded that statement is? Exactly.
You cant prove a negative.
Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Have a nice day!
Xamaza 1 year ago
I wish someone would email me the "missing link"
BloodTar 1 year ago
@BloodTar
This is a misnomer. Every time science finds something to fill the gap, morons point to either side of that fossil and say ' zomg look 2 new gaps they cant explain!'
Its retarded logic at best, blatant stupidity at worse. If you seek fossil evidence (for which we have a plethora) go visit any good museum. If they do not have the originals, they have replicas. You can find the originals if you do some research and go visit them if you desire.
Xamaza 1 year ago
@josephjester
There is no reason to reject anything that doesnt exist. I dont reject fairies, I just say there is no evidence to support they exist, so they dont. I dont hold it against fairies or feel 'good' about rejecting them, they just dont exist. If you can prove fairies or you god exists, please let us know, until then neither exist.
Have a wonderful day!
Xamaza 1 year ago
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@josephjester does say it's sphere tho no?..I if it say in the bible that earth was sphere i'd be impressed. if you live on earth and look around you, w/o knowing the shape of the earth, if you're writting about it, you what shape does it look like? circle right? so what makes you believe in the bible? It doesn't really tell you nothin' about the world today. the prophesies in the bible aren't helping at all, the bible advocate for slavery and rape, what makes u believe in it?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester does say it's sphere tho no?..I if it say in the bible that earth was sphere i'd be impressed. if you live on earth and look around you, w/o knowing the shape of the earth, if you're writting about it, you what shape does it look like? circle right? so what makes you believe in the bible? It doesn't really tell you nothin' about the world today. the prophesies in the bible aren't helping at all, the bible advocate for slavery and rape, what makes u believe in it?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester does it's sphere tho?..I mean if the bible said that it was sphere i'll be impressed. I mean if you live on earth and look around you, w/o knowing the shape of the earth, if you're writting about it, just looking around you what shape does it look like? circle right? so what makes you believe in the bible? the bible doesn't tell you nothin' about the world today. the prophesies in the bible aren't helping at all, the bible advocate for slavery and rape, what makes u believe in it?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester ha read Isaiah 40:22, it says alot about how the earth is circle, well flat circle,..it's doesn't say that the earth is round or sphere...
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester ok,..what verse in the bible talks about other planets?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester hahahahaha lol moses? so species hunh? what about the earth being flat in the bible who wrote that?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester goddamn you,..lol no one ever say that species into another specie you moron, people don't change overnight into monkeys or monkeys evolve into gorrillaz, but change overtime. for example I was born withoutappandix, that's evolution, we don't need it anymore, so now it's starting to disappear. after 2 billions years we'll be different, probably bigger brain, better vision better skin etc...because that's how evolution works things don't turn into things overnight
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester I know,..but what about the young creationist? I mean they're educated, but despite the evidence, they still deny it lol
Atheist603 1 year ago
@josephjester bro, sometimes i tell myself, how would someone be so ignorant enough to say that evolution isn't real?
Atheist603 1 year ago
so you saying 99.98% of scientist that support evolution are all ignorant and ignore all the facts you speak of that disprove evolution? the fact is its not just biologist that say evolution is real, is about a dozen different branches of the scientific community.
Theimmortalwhitewolf 2 years ago
how is that an example of evolution?
Theimmortalwhitewolf 2 years ago
its about EVIDENCE, not proof.
thisissick22 2 years ago
"I said inconclusive." It's what I meant, my apologies.
"And by compatible, I mean they can sexually reproduce with one another." that makes much more sense than before.
"Apes and humans can't sexually reproduce." Having common ancestry does not imply humans and apes are able to 'do it'.
"Amazing how your example is a sideways step..."
I'm simply saying we wouldn't know a dog, is a dog, is a dog without genetic comparison. It also allows us to accurately predict the breeding of any 2 dogs.
chessdawgz 2 years ago
Nearly identical genetic sequencing is irrelevant?
My God, then how on Earth do you suppose we can determine genetic diversity of organisms?
There is obviously a reason why we can tell Poodles and Dachshunds are members of the dog family...
chessdawgz 2 years ago
"Genetic evidence is inconclusive at best. Inconclusive proves nothing."
Something dead sharing large genetic sequencing to something living is very important. Obviously if they don't share a big percentage, THAT is inconclusive...
"Again, inconclusive...And how do you prove that scientifically? "
Rock formations over time bury dead/living animals in forming of a new layer, generally the layer we walk on is the newest...
I think we're done here, go read a science book if you're that clueless
chessdawgz 2 years ago
Ugh...you can know a lot about fossils, especially those that leave behind genetic material. Simply extract and compare it's sequence to a database of living organisms.
Recognizing what animal it "resembles" aids this process, but it's not just a guess.
For non-living fossils, you can physically measure their decay rates, as well as study the fossil record for fossils found at whatever geological location it was found.
Rock layers, and where/what fossils are found in that layer are related...
chessdawgz 2 years ago
"all archaeological evidence for evolution is PURELY speculatory..."
By speculatory, do you mean found? Fossils exist...they confirm evolution by dating and comparison to living relatives.
"...let's throw out the standard definition"
Trying to find middle ground, you're basically calling evolutionary scientists frauds...
"A standard ploy used by evolutionists to ignore facts"
What the fuck is an evolutionist, and what other than the acceptance of evolution do you ASSUME they all share?
chessdawgz 2 years ago
I do know of real miracles but Christianity is about faith. They searched for miracles and signs since the beginning and there has been millions upon millions. True faith is what it means to believe. Do you believe in the wind? I do and yet I can't see it!
ChristChurchCinema 2 years ago
Finish your sentence. Speculation is the start, like "hey, what's this?", next is the formulation of a hypothesis, then you test it...
That's how science works, it is not a conspiracy of scientists.
Evolution has stood the test of time, which is amazing considering scientists spend most of their time DISPROVING other scientist's hypotheses...
I would appreciate it if you explained what evolution/creationism mean to you, since we may actually have an agreement.
chessdawgz 2 years ago
"...all 'evidence' is accepted as proof without scientific consideration, even when the 'proof' can be easily discredited"
You say 'easily' like it's obvious then don't present anything, followed by a demand to prove you wrong...that's not how arguments work.
And by the way, you don't have to be an atheist to accept basic scientific principles.
chessdawgz 2 years ago
What simpletons.
I have long suspected that the Jesus myth was a little hoax that spun out of control. I reject Christ completely from my life, so codependent that he had nothing better to do than to die for my sins. No, thank you. What an immensely SHITTY GIFT to give to people you are supposed to love!
Believe what you wish, but please, shove your faith DEEP into a closet, because the general public does not care what you believe.
anachro1 2 years ago
how can you say that the theory of evolution does not involve scientific consideration? Do you have any idea what steps have been taken leading up to the understanding of evolution we now have? Countless experiments, phylogenetic examination, analyzing DNA sequences.. the list goes on. I don't understand how people can comment on and judge something they clearly have no idea about.
cramram6666 2 years ago
When did I say THAT? Not me.
anachro1 2 years ago
He still loves you
lorimichael1 2 years ago
well how about the miracles that priests do with little boys at church. I bet jesus tell them to do it. get over this religious bullshit and open your eyes. there are bigger problems like global warming and shit. Jesus won't come to stop it.
and stories about people being healed after praying to jesus? THEN WHY DO WE HAVE HOSPITALS? lets all just pray that these retard Christians get some sense in their heads and stop bullshitting themselves and pushing their thoughts and beliefs on others.
amitbhullar2009 2 years ago
okay, those who shall believe shall see, if you don't believe you shall not see. God wants faith in him, You give in to satan, you do his work, but when the LORD ask something of you for the better, you treat him as he's not being Loving and Merciful, You guys sold your soul to Hell, and you will see after Life is over what is real.. God has shown me the way and the light, I will not fall victim to you atheist ways. There's only one way to heaven . Through the Blood of Jesus Christ
youngsix6 2 years ago
I have been present when people have been healed I have also heard of many other testimonies of people being healed after prayer in Jesus' name. The stories are out there if you wanna find them.
014208807 2 years ago
Here is the thing. You are making a huge argument from ignorance. That is a formal logical fallacy. Please look it up. Who is to say that is not human nature. It could be a coping stance. A resigning into. Acceptance.I don't know for sure either. Just because you can not fathom it, does not mean the only explanation is god. Don't you think that is hugely arrogant. It is. Not to mention lazy. Try to think of more rational explanations before just passing it off as god did it. Really!
newcoyote 2 years ago
YOU are missing the point. How in the world does THAT prove the existence of a higher power. You said it does.I'll say it yet again. That has to be lamest argument ever. What is your point anyhow?
newcoyote 2 years ago
I am not going to bother with you anymore. All you are doing is making unbacked assertions and ignoring the points I counter your silly claims with." People will willingly suffer/die in the name of faith. The only possible way they could do that is because there is a higher power". I am sorry. That is fractally wrong(look up that term, it is not misspelled) and patently absurd no matter how you rationalize it. Give you head a shake
newcoyote 2 years ago
Who said anything about crazy? Delusion does not equate to crazy. Psychology is the study of human behavior. We have a very clear understanding of how people can be persuaded to do things they otherwise would not if they "think" they have a reason. It is not a cloudy or mysterious matter. They can also be persuaded to do horrible things. Good people do good things, bad do bad. For a good person to do bad things, that takes faith. I am not missing your point. You don't have one.
newcoyote 2 years ago
Are the people that died(suicide)in Heavens gate proof that the comet was a spacecraft for them?They believed it.
newcoyote 2 years ago
That might be the worst, most thoughtless argument I have heard. Do you think I meant believers are lying outward? Lying to themselves. Deluded. Convinced of something not true. Because people on the whole have very flawed minds(a product of the brain) and are so hoodwinked into belief for various reasons, that is the "hard evidence"? It is not my intent to insult you but your ad hoc reasoning is near comical. Please try harder. Martyrs most certainly CAN be explained by science. Psych 101.
newcoyote 2 years ago
That just it. They don't explain. Nor does anything else. Faith is just a glorified lie. It is beyond me why anyone would believe something without ANY real evidence. Old stories and lack of understanding the real world just don't count. Nor (even more so) do personal experiences. It fascinates me(and scares) that so many people have this mass delusion there is some god and some part of us continues after we die. We invented it all to placate our fears about the unknown. And control. That it.
newcoyote 2 years ago
Cherry picking. Right buddy. Keep telling yourself the laws of nature can be suspended to reaffirm your own delusions. It is truly bizarre thinking.
newcoyote 2 years ago
Every thing is either a hoax or anecdotal. Especially Fatima. Listen to Brian Dunnings podcast Skeptoid episode #110 Illuminating the Fatima "Miracle of the Sun"
He thoroughly debunks it. Miracles are complete nonsense. While you are at it look up Occam's Razor.
newcoyote 2 years ago
Funny those were only "repaired portions" after the dating, and that the Church has refused any further carbon dating attempts on the un-repaired portions. It's also funny that you'll swallow whatever apologetics propaganda comes your way regardless of whether it seems rational under scrutiny or not.
AHPMB 2 years ago
You do realize that it can't possibly be, right? The Shroud of Turin shows the holes in Jesus's wrists can't possibly be where they nailed him to the cross. They'd have had to nail him to the cross through the palms.
maslab 2 years ago
Garret nailed you, also the Shroud has been conclusively dated, and it was made hundreds and hundreds of years after the accepted time of Jesus' death.
AHPMB 2 years ago 2
For one example, you site Padre Pio, who was caught red-handed (no pun intended) ordering bottles of whatever stupid oil he was using to fake stigmata.
EGarrett01 2 years ago 2
777 views. lol.
chaomonga 3 years ago
Must be a sign
kyokumajr 3 years ago
yah, that's pretty weak sauce. That's not even close to being a miracle, let alone the kind of miracle that you know damn well what he's really asking for.
mikech78 3 years ago
this was very good and to the point
TerreF15 3 years ago
Oh, come on.
Penis, Vagina, Sperm, Egg, 9 months, Doctor Bills.
You know how that whole scenario plays out.
It's pretty cool, but it's not miraculous.
It's SCIENCE!!!
amazonhippie 3 years ago
I think it was sacrastic.
And it doesn't HAVE to be that exact way - for example: I differ in that.
I took more than 9 months.
daddyleon 3 years ago
OMG! You just flushed my comment down the toilet. lol.
I would be willing to bet that almost nobody is in the womb for 'exactly' 9 months, but unless problems occur, it's usually pretty damn close. That's why we refer to human pregnancies as being 9 months long.
amazonhippie 3 years ago
lol, yes that ("OMG! You just flushed my comment down the toilet. lol.") was exactly my intension. xD
daddyleon 3 years ago
lol. Argument from ignorance.
MaikUniversum 3 years ago
Huh?
How is that a miracle?
kyokumajr 3 years ago
No, thank you.
paxcoder 3 years ago
oh. Why not?
kyokumajr 3 years ago
Why would I?
paxcoder 3 years ago
Why not? lol
kyokumajr 3 years ago
Very convincing.
paxcoder 3 years ago
But if you know of any, it would take you a minute to actually send the e-mail.
kyokumajr 3 years ago
It's not about time, its about the point. There is none.
paxcoder 3 years ago
Wouldn't prooving them wrong be enough & possibly admitting it? For an opportunity cost of 1 minute, that's a fair price. But it's up to you
Cya :)
kyokumajr 3 years ago
(sight) Bye
paxcoder 3 years ago
Um.. didn't you mean "sign"?
kyokumajr 3 years ago
no, i ment sigh
paxcoder 3 years ago
Didn't you mean "meant"?
AnimalAndy 3 years ago
yep
paxcoder 3 years ago
Didn't you meant: "Yes."?
lol
daddyleon 3 years ago
Nope :-P
paxcoder 3 years ago
Haha, what a senseless discussion. xD
daddyleon 3 years ago
:-D
paxcoder 3 years ago
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daddyleon 3 years ago