How is it prevented and what is the cause? I understand what it is, but what would make their stomach flip? Can you tack their stomach before it ever occurs as prevention?
@mudshovel007 The causes can be many things: genetics, age, general health, food, etc. Tacking their stomach will not necessarily prevent a future bloat but lessens the chances and if your dog does bloat, gives you a little more time to get to the vet because it will not torse. contact me directly and I will refer you to info about bloat
As a retired vet tech, I deeply appreciate your generosity in sharing this video. I had my husband watch it. You never know when a little knowledge will save a life. Thank you.
My Rottie bitch bloated Christmas night. Thankfully she lived. For those wondering, surgery and ICU treatment were $5200. She bloated again 2 days after she came home, but didn't torse again b/c her stomach was tacked. Another $800 to decompress her stomach (via tube) and monitor for further complications. Bloat is terrifying, and expensive to fix!
@bostonrott I am glad to hear your girl survived. How old is she? When my Gizzy bloated at 10.5 years, he did bloat again also, but did not torse due to the surgery. He made it another 18 months before he died. Age is a factor in bloat.
@danielxism A lot depends on where you live. If it is an emergency clinic, there is the cost of an emergency visit which can run from $100-200 dollars, xrays, deflation treatment, meds. I cannot say for sure, but my best guess would be $1000-2000. And if your dog has bloated, surgery to tack the stomach should be preformed to help prevent future torsion if the dog bloats again.
Thanks for this video! My first dog died of bloat while he was being boarded in a kennel and I am terrified that my current dog (a whippet/lab mix) will get bloat. She sometimes has episodes of non-productive retching, but they are very infrequent and resolve in ten or fifteen minutes on their own. It helps a lot to see what bloat actually looks like! I'm glad the akita is fine and thank you again for posting this.
Thank you so much for posting this video! I'm relatively new to owning an Akita, have had Koda for a little over a year now, and have heard of bloat but never knew exactly what to look for. Although this video is hard to watch, it's very informative on what to watch out for. Some people may criticize the people video tapping instead of taking the dog to the vet right away and in all honesty, I probably would have waited a bit too since I didn't know what I was looking for.
God that was excruciating to watch. I'm glad he's OK. I was told the symptoms of bloat when I got my akita puppy but seeing it was educational. I will show this to every freind who has a dog and to anyone that I allow to watch my pooch. Thanks.
Thank you for the video. I've heard about bloat -- and what we can do to avoid it -- but I've never actually seen bloat in a dog. This is a very educational video ... now I know more about what to look out for.
This is hard to watch. And people who know better will tend to find it offensive, BUT as others have said, this is an incredible learning experience. I might get dinged for this, but the vet that wanted the cc valudation first before surgery, sounds cruel and very uncaring, it isn't, it sucks that things have to come down to money, but a business is a business. And it is not veternary malpractice. Not even close. Im just relieved the dog is okay and this video is being used!
they didn't know the signs of distress...they had just adopted the dog and were filming there new dog in his new home and HAD NEVER SEEN A DOG WITH BLOAT!!! The dog WAS taken to the vet and was saved.
This video is a GREAT example to see what bloat looks like and hopefully will help safe more dog with this condition by getting the dog to the vet..
Hi there. Thanks for the reply but it wasn't exactly what i was asking. I wanted to know why they were videoing and not acting upon the distress by taking him to vet quicker
part 3: such as cancer or some other internal problem. So x-rays are a good thing, especially if the vet has the digital xrays; less time, more detail.
part 2 for coobutthoolio: Bloat is expensive to treat, but I think the least they would have done is eased his pain and if necessary deflated him somewhat in the meantime. Unless the bloat is very obvious, many vets do x-rays before starting treatment. It gives them an idea of what they will be dealing with in surgery, just bloat or that plus intestinal torsion, ruptured spleen etc. It coud also be the dog is bloating because of another condition see part 3
Yes, this is sad, but too many vet ER's do the same. I don't know if they would refuse to treat a dog in distress if you had no money to pay for it...if anyone has had such an experience, I would like to know. I think part of it is that you have no personal relationship with ER vets as you do with your regular vet unless your regular is also an emergency clinic. If they know you, they may not worry so much about cost. I hate to say it, but they are running a business see part 2
@dancingakitalady When my dog had GDV the emergency vet suggested euthanasia instead of attempting surgery due to her age(11) and the cost of surgery. They didn't know my dog though, she was very healthy and strong, very strong heart and I had them go ahead with the surgery. She came through it very well and had no complications after. (when I told my vet and her tech what the ER vet said they said, she obviously didn't know my dog!)
Thank you very much for posting this valuable video. I shall be sharing with many people to watch, like myself, who own Malamutes, as they are quite prone to it being deep chested dogs. So glad this poor boy survived!!
Would you make a "tiny url" for the video that includes your complete explanation please? The various links that are going around on the lists leave off your explanation and the discuss turns to "what's wrong with these people?" rather than praising Akita Rescue for helping us TEACH people in time to save their dogs!
Reminder to insist people watch it a second time with the sound off and ask themselves if they would know what they are seeing is a life threatening emergency
If you read the commentary under the video, it says the the people filming this had never seen bloat and though they had heard about it did not recognize. This is not uncommon in people who have not seen it. People who have seem bloat and see this are appalled. I was. But again, many do not recognize what they are seeing. We added the voice commentary to point out the symptoms so those who had not seen it would know what to look for.
@dancingakitalady Wow, very scary! Thanks so much for sharing. I've heard about this but have never seen it. This video could be life-saving to someone. I'm always worried about this happening with my 82 lb Alaskan Malamute; now I know what to look for just in case.
I understand that this it is useful for people to see this-- I've seen bloat and I know what it looks like (and frankly, if you read much about it, you know what you're looking at when you see it) but the time used to make this video might have been difference between life and death for this dog. Perhaps people who are this non-responsive to emergency medical situations shouldn't have dogs. :-(
I rushed my dog to the ER vet at 3am knowing full well he had bloated and most likely torsioned. The vet not only took the time to verify my credit card was good for his estimated charges, he also took several xrays and waited for them to develop before starting to treat my dog.
GDV is a series of events that in total is life threatening. It is not a trauma like getting hit by a truck. If people know what they are dealing with and can get to an ER, most dogs will be saved.
@kuvaszfanciers I can't believe you use a vet that would stop to get an authorization on your credit card before treating your dog! ER vets here don't do that! What would have happened if it had been declined for some reason? Out the door to find another vet at 3 a.m.? I wonder if you would be so blase about this if your dog had died, which could easily have happened. Torsion can (and does) kill a dog very quickly. The ER vet is guilty of veterinary malpractice. Just lucky it turned out okay.
I understand if your dog has bloated and drinks and the water comes right back out, he has probably already torsioned. Makes sense if you think of the twist as a blocked pipe.
If you have insurance for your dog, talk to them about adding coverage for "Prophylactic Gastropexy " during other invasive surgery (such as spay or neuter)
It is not covered now because it is "elective surgery" but they will pay out 4 or 5 times as much in your claim for ER services to save your dog's life.
If your breed has a deep chest, it is prone to bloat due to the anatomy of the dog. A different body type won't suffer GDV.
If a breeder tells you it "I haven't seen it my lines" without adding "yet" or "to my knowledge", she isn't being honest. Or maybe "her lines" aren't true to that breed type.
Prophylactic Gastropexy when you spay/neuter is, so far, the best prevention for stomach torsion. Won't help if the spleen twists during bloat, but it's better than nothing.
Thanks for posting this. Until now the best our rescue had to share was the well known "22 signs of bloat" flyer that we encourage people to tape to the inside of the cupboard where they keep the dog supplies. OK to copy and adapt it:
kuvaszinfo"dot"com
What I didn't plan on the last time one of mine bloated was the vet ER that I could drive to in 10 minutes would NOT have a vet on duty who was "comfortable" doing the decompression and gastropexy! Now I have 2 ERs on my bloat instructions.
Thank you so much for sharing this video. We've shared it on our Rescue Wall as well in hopes of helping people spot some of the signs and hopefully being able to get help for their dogs ASAP.
So glad your boy was OK!
Thanks again!
North East Animal Rescue Inc. (NorthEastAnimalRescue"at"Gmail.com)
I almost lost a dog to bloat after eating a Greenie. $700 later, we got off cheap. This video was hard to watch, and I'd have been on the way to the vet long before the video was finished. My motto is "when in doubt, get to the vet". I'm so glad he pulled through. Thank you.
. they are not sure yet what causes bloat. If your dog has a mom, dad or sibling who bloats, your dog has a greater chance of bloating. If your dog is of a nervous or high strung dispostion, it has a greater chance of bloating.
I know this video is very hard to watch, especially for those whose dogs have bloated. We can talk til we are blue in the face about the symptoms of bloat and how it looks, but felt this video really showed the progression, even in just 3 minutes and if people saw it, might recognize the symptoms in their own dogs and get them to the vet quickly enough to save their lives. The people doing this vid had never seen it and did not know what was going on at the time.
part 2: they may have an autoimmune disease, cancer or some other health problem and they bloat...no scientific evidence on this just observation of bloating dogs whose owners have done necropsies. Anyway age is a factor in bloat.. Many people tack the dog's stomach when they have them spayed or neutered to try to help prevent torsion and future bloats.
To chicago canine: After my canine soulmate, Gizzy, bloated at 1o yrs, I talked with Dr. Glickman who did the bloat study at Purdue. He said it is also considered one of the "old age" diseases; ligaments are no longer so elastic, digestive systems are sluggish. Dogs older than 8 are at a greater risk of bloating. One of my friends who is very into dog health problems thinks that sometimes bloat occurs when there is something else wrong with the dog that is not apparent yet. cont'd
@dancingakitalady My Golden had spondylosis which resulted in a loss of stomach muscle tone, since she could not curve her back very much which prevented her stomach muscles from being used much (it was very noticeable, despite being slim she no longer had a noticeable tuck-up). I have wondered if that contributed to it.
This is hard to watch. My Golden bloated with torsion when she was 11. Luckily I knew the signs, knew right away that it was an emergency and rushed her to the e-vet, so there was no necrotic tissue (her stomach, spleen and start of the intestines were twisted) and she came through surgery great with no after effects.
This is why it is so important to know the signs! She bloated on an empty stomach when she had not yet eaten that day, had not exercised, had not drank a lot of water or anything.
I have a mastiff and this is one of my big fears..we have a raised food bowl, no exercise for 2 hrs before eating and 2 hrs after eating. Two-3 small meals a day, instead of one big one..I still freak though..they are very prone to this
@UberPest Our vet told us to do this, however there has been some contraversey lately, but he is almost 5 and he has been fine..i dont let him gulp water while he is eating, or directly afterwards.
@jzoom45 Bloat is a medical condition in which the stomach becomes overstretched by excessive gas content. It is also commonly referred to as torsion, gastric torsion, and gastric dilatation-volvulus (GDV) when the stomach is also twisted.
How is it prevented and what is the cause? I understand what it is, but what would make their stomach flip? Can you tack their stomach before it ever occurs as prevention?
mudshovel007 1 week ago
@mudshovel007 The causes can be many things: genetics, age, general health, food, etc. Tacking their stomach will not necessarily prevent a future bloat but lessens the chances and if your dog does bloat, gives you a little more time to get to the vet because it will not torse. contact me directly and I will refer you to info about bloat
dancingakitalady 1 week ago
At least u put in the comments that he lived
MrBallzbiggins 2 weeks ago
As a retired vet tech, I deeply appreciate your generosity in sharing this video. I had my husband watch it. You never know when a little knowledge will save a life. Thank you.
songbrook1 1 month ago
My Rottie bitch bloated Christmas night. Thankfully she lived. For those wondering, surgery and ICU treatment were $5200. She bloated again 2 days after she came home, but didn't torse again b/c her stomach was tacked. Another $800 to decompress her stomach (via tube) and monitor for further complications. Bloat is terrifying, and expensive to fix!
bostonrott 1 month ago
@bostonrott I am glad to hear your girl survived. How old is she? When my Gizzy bloated at 10.5 years, he did bloat again also, but did not torse due to the surgery. He made it another 18 months before he died. Age is a factor in bloat.
dancingakitalady 1 month ago
@bostonrott glad to hear your dog survived but how exactly do dogs bloat ?
grimbomufc09 1 month ago
About how much does it cost, for the vet to help a bloated dog before torsion occurs??
danielxism 1 month ago
@danielxism A lot depends on where you live. If it is an emergency clinic, there is the cost of an emergency visit which can run from $100-200 dollars, xrays, deflation treatment, meds. I cannot say for sure, but my best guess would be $1000-2000. And if your dog has bloated, surgery to tack the stomach should be preformed to help prevent future torsion if the dog bloats again.
dancingakitalady 1 month ago
Thanks for this video! My first dog died of bloat while he was being boarded in a kennel and I am terrified that my current dog (a whippet/lab mix) will get bloat. She sometimes has episodes of non-productive retching, but they are very infrequent and resolve in ten or fifteen minutes on their own. It helps a lot to see what bloat actually looks like! I'm glad the akita is fine and thank you again for posting this.
CrankyEater 1 month ago
Thank you
chuychuy916 2 months ago
Thank you so much for posting this video! I'm relatively new to owning an Akita, have had Koda for a little over a year now, and have heard of bloat but never knew exactly what to look for. Although this video is hard to watch, it's very informative on what to watch out for. Some people may criticize the people video tapping instead of taking the dog to the vet right away and in all honesty, I probably would have waited a bit too since I didn't know what I was looking for.
71mmclean 2 months ago
God that was excruciating to watch. I'm glad he's OK. I was told the symptoms of bloat when I got my akita puppy but seeing it was educational. I will show this to every freind who has a dog and to anyone that I allow to watch my pooch. Thanks.
DoctorBlissphd 2 months ago
Thank you...this was our intention in putting it up. To show people what bloat looks like in the hopes it will save more dogs.
dancingakitalady 2 months ago 3
Thank you for the video. I've heard about bloat -- and what we can do to avoid it -- but I've never actually seen bloat in a dog. This is a very educational video ... now I know more about what to look out for.
cyanste 2 months ago
This is hard to watch. And people who know better will tend to find it offensive, BUT as others have said, this is an incredible learning experience. I might get dinged for this, but the vet that wanted the cc valudation first before surgery, sounds cruel and very uncaring, it isn't, it sucks that things have to come down to money, but a business is a business. And it is not veternary malpractice. Not even close. Im just relieved the dog is okay and this video is being used!
jazzjasmin 3 months ago
they didn't know the signs of distress...they had just adopted the dog and were filming there new dog in his new home and HAD NEVER SEEN A DOG WITH BLOAT!!! The dog WAS taken to the vet and was saved.
This video is a GREAT example to see what bloat looks like and hopefully will help safe more dog with this condition by getting the dog to the vet..
kittencannom 3 months ago 2
Hi there. Thanks for the reply but it wasn't exactly what i was asking. I wanted to know why they were videoing and not acting upon the distress by taking him to vet quicker
cooliobutthoolio 3 months ago
part 3: such as cancer or some other internal problem. So x-rays are a good thing, especially if the vet has the digital xrays; less time, more detail.
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
part 2 for coobutthoolio: Bloat is expensive to treat, but I think the least they would have done is eased his pain and if necessary deflated him somewhat in the meantime. Unless the bloat is very obvious, many vets do x-rays before starting treatment. It gives them an idea of what they will be dealing with in surgery, just bloat or that plus intestinal torsion, ruptured spleen etc. It coud also be the dog is bloating because of another condition see part 3
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
Yes, this is sad, but too many vet ER's do the same. I don't know if they would refuse to treat a dog in distress if you had no money to pay for it...if anyone has had such an experience, I would like to know. I think part of it is that you have no personal relationship with ER vets as you do with your regular vet unless your regular is also an emergency clinic. If they know you, they may not worry so much about cost. I hate to say it, but they are running a business see part 2
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
@dancingakitalady When my dog had GDV the emergency vet suggested euthanasia instead of attempting surgery due to her age(11) and the cost of surgery. They didn't know my dog though, she was very healthy and strong, very strong heart and I had them go ahead with the surgery. She came through it very well and had no complications after. (when I told my vet and her tech what the ER vet said they said, she obviously didn't know my dog!)
chicagocanine 2 months ago
@dancingakitalady - any response to Redchief's comment - which I think is very valid?
cooliobutthoolio 3 months ago
Thank you very much for posting this valuable video. I shall be sharing with many people to watch, like myself, who own Malamutes, as they are quite prone to it being deep chested dogs. So glad this poor boy survived!!
Michelen7 3 months ago 2
to Jennakrabacher0505: And that is why we posted it...so people could actually see it to recognize it in the future !!
dancingakitalady 3 months ago 2
@dancingakitalady
Would you make a "tiny url" for the video that includes your complete explanation please? The various links that are going around on the lists leave off your explanation and the discuss turns to "what's wrong with these people?" rather than praising Akita Rescue for helping us TEACH people in time to save their dogs!
Reminder to insist people watch it a second time with the sound off and ask themselves if they would know what they are seeing is a life threatening emergency
gailsdash 3 months ago
Thank you for posting this. I have heard of bloat but I would have never known the signs if you had not posted this. Thank you so much!
jennakrabacher0505 3 months ago
I've only heard about bloat, and I worry at times for my dogs. I hear all deep-chested dogs are candidates for bloat.
This is the first time I've ever seen a video on the subject, great job.
TheWarloghe 3 months ago
To kuvaszfanciers: thank you for the the info on your bloat handout. We will probably be using it.
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
If you read the commentary under the video, it says the the people filming this had never seen bloat and though they had heard about it did not recognize. This is not uncommon in people who have not seen it. People who have seem bloat and see this are appalled. I was. But again, many do not recognize what they are seeing. We added the voice commentary to point out the symptoms so those who had not seen it would know what to look for.
dancingakitalady 3 months ago 9
@dancingakitalady Wow, very scary! Thanks so much for sharing. I've heard about this but have never seen it. This video could be life-saving to someone. I'm always worried about this happening with my 82 lb Alaskan Malamute; now I know what to look for just in case.
puplover62 3 months ago
I understand that this it is useful for people to see this-- I've seen bloat and I know what it looks like (and frankly, if you read much about it, you know what you're looking at when you see it) but the time used to make this video might have been difference between life and death for this dog. Perhaps people who are this non-responsive to emergency medical situations shouldn't have dogs. :-(
redchief16 3 months ago
@redchief16
I rushed my dog to the ER vet at 3am knowing full well he had bloated and most likely torsioned. The vet not only took the time to verify my credit card was good for his estimated charges, he also took several xrays and waited for them to develop before starting to treat my dog.
GDV is a series of events that in total is life threatening. It is not a trauma like getting hit by a truck. If people know what they are dealing with and can get to an ER, most dogs will be saved.
Gail
kuvaszfanciers 3 months ago
@kuvaszfanciers I can't believe you use a vet that would stop to get an authorization on your credit card before treating your dog! ER vets here don't do that! What would have happened if it had been declined for some reason? Out the door to find another vet at 3 a.m.? I wonder if you would be so blase about this if your dog had died, which could easily have happened. Torsion can (and does) kill a dog very quickly. The ER vet is guilty of veterinary malpractice. Just lucky it turned out okay.
redchief16 3 months ago
I understand if your dog has bloated and drinks and the water comes right back out, he has probably already torsioned. Makes sense if you think of the twist as a blocked pipe.
If you have insurance for your dog, talk to them about adding coverage for "Prophylactic Gastropexy " during other invasive surgery (such as spay or neuter)
It is not covered now because it is "elective surgery" but they will pay out 4 or 5 times as much in your claim for ER services to save your dog's life.
kuvaszfanciers 3 months ago
If your breed has a deep chest, it is prone to bloat due to the anatomy of the dog. A different body type won't suffer GDV.
If a breeder tells you it "I haven't seen it my lines" without adding "yet" or "to my knowledge", she isn't being honest. Or maybe "her lines" aren't true to that breed type.
Prophylactic Gastropexy when you spay/neuter is, so far, the best prevention for stomach torsion. Won't help if the spleen twists during bloat, but it's better than nothing.
kuvaszfanciers 3 months ago
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kuvaszfanciers 3 months ago
Thanks for posting this. Until now the best our rescue had to share was the well known "22 signs of bloat" flyer that we encourage people to tape to the inside of the cupboard where they keep the dog supplies. OK to copy and adapt it:
kuvaszinfo"dot"com
What I didn't plan on the last time one of mine bloated was the vet ER that I could drive to in 10 minutes would NOT have a vet on duty who was "comfortable" doing the decompression and gastropexy! Now I have 2 ERs on my bloat instructions.
kuvaszfanciers 3 months ago
Thank you for posting this. Its hard to watch but so important to know what it looks like. By posting this you'll surely save lives.
Marinegeekwife 3 months ago
Thank you so much for sharing this video. We've shared it on our Rescue Wall as well in hopes of helping people spot some of the signs and hopefully being able to get help for their dogs ASAP.
So glad your boy was OK!
Thanks again!
North East Animal Rescue Inc. (NorthEastAnimalRescue"at"Gmail.com)
NthEastAniRescue 3 months ago
I almost lost a dog to bloat after eating a Greenie. $700 later, we got off cheap. This video was hard to watch, and I'd have been on the way to the vet long before the video was finished. My motto is "when in doubt, get to the vet". I'm so glad he pulled through. Thank you.
sedna1arctic 3 months ago
Thank you for this! Very useful and well narrated.
AaseLange 3 months ago
Thank you for this video. Glad the dog is ok.
Miccibella 3 months ago
. they are not sure yet what causes bloat. If your dog has a mom, dad or sibling who bloats, your dog has a greater chance of bloating. If your dog is of a nervous or high strung dispostion, it has a greater chance of bloating.
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
I know this video is very hard to watch, especially for those whose dogs have bloated. We can talk til we are blue in the face about the symptoms of bloat and how it looks, but felt this video really showed the progression, even in just 3 minutes and if people saw it, might recognize the symptoms in their own dogs and get them to the vet quickly enough to save their lives. The people doing this vid had never seen it and did not know what was going on at the time.
dancingakitalady 3 months ago 13
part 2: they may have an autoimmune disease, cancer or some other health problem and they bloat...no scientific evidence on this just observation of bloating dogs whose owners have done necropsies. Anyway age is a factor in bloat.. Many people tack the dog's stomach when they have them spayed or neutered to try to help prevent torsion and future bloats.
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
To chicago canine: After my canine soulmate, Gizzy, bloated at 1o yrs, I talked with Dr. Glickman who did the bloat study at Purdue. He said it is also considered one of the "old age" diseases; ligaments are no longer so elastic, digestive systems are sluggish. Dogs older than 8 are at a greater risk of bloating. One of my friends who is very into dog health problems thinks that sometimes bloat occurs when there is something else wrong with the dog that is not apparent yet. cont'd
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
@dancingakitalady My Golden had spondylosis which resulted in a loss of stomach muscle tone, since she could not curve her back very much which prevented her stomach muscles from being used much (it was very noticeable, despite being slim she no longer had a noticeable tuck-up). I have wondered if that contributed to it.
chicagocanine 3 months ago
Conservative guesses: $3000-$5000 depending on where you live
dancingakitalady 3 months ago
whats the price to save a dog who is bloating?
jzoom45 3 months ago
This is hard to watch. My Golden bloated with torsion when she was 11. Luckily I knew the signs, knew right away that it was an emergency and rushed her to the e-vet, so there was no necrotic tissue (her stomach, spleen and start of the intestines were twisted) and she came through surgery great with no after effects.
This is why it is so important to know the signs! She bloated on an empty stomach when she had not yet eaten that day, had not exercised, had not drank a lot of water or anything.
chicagocanine 3 months ago
I have a mastiff and this is one of my big fears..we have a raised food bowl, no exercise for 2 hrs before eating and 2 hrs after eating. Two-3 small meals a day, instead of one big one..I still freak though..they are very prone to this
rescuegirl51 3 months ago
@rescuegirl51 From what I understand, the raised feed bowl can increase the chances of a dog bloating.
UberPest 3 months ago
@UberPest Our vet told us to do this, however there has been some contraversey lately, but he is almost 5 and he has been fine..i dont let him gulp water while he is eating, or directly afterwards.
rescuegirl51 3 months ago
My American Akita died of Bloat. RIP Chi-Chi
SAMKREATOR 3 months ago
what causes bloat?
jzoom45 3 months ago
@jzoom45 Bloat is a medical condition in which the stomach becomes overstretched by excessive gas content. It is also commonly referred to as torsion, gastric torsion, and gastric dilatation-volvulus (GDV) when the stomach is also twisted.
SAMKREATOR 3 months ago