You are an ignorant man, whoever made this video... The Bible CLEARY talks about your heart being hardened if you reject the truth too many times. Not "too much sin", but willingly rejecting the knowledge of the truth you have received. You have to have the knowledge of the truth first though. STUDY YOUR BIBLE! YOU my friend, are leading people astray. Forget what Piper and MacArthur said... You just said the opposite of scripture.
This is such a stupid analysis of what they are saying. The Bible says exactly what they are saying. And this British Loser is taking it out of context of what the Gospel is. No doubt it's in response to the fact that these men of God devote themselves to the truth of God's word, in it's entirety, to where they believe in the limited atonement of God's sacrifice for them that only the Holy spirit can redeem from a fallen state. This guy is a loser who thinks he's smart.
the maker of this video is a troll trying to show how smart he is. I have heard many sermons of Mac Arthur saying many times that we are saved by grace through faith. just go to his web site and read his statement of faith. and you will see. piper Im not sure I dont know that much about him
Men like john macarthur, john piper, driscoll etc are unsaved modernists who don't know the bible! they claim to believe in salvation by faith alone through grace but then require turning from sin as a requirement. This will make salvation by works in reality.
@MariusLio Wow -- are you misguided! "Except ye repent, ye will perish..." Jesus Christ.
Repent means turning from sin. That is ALSO a gift from God...not a human work.. And it happens at the moment of salvation by grace alone through faith alone. Show me an unrepentent person, and I'll show you a non-Christian.
@sargeanton2 Show me a person who needs to add to the finished work of the Cross and I'll show you a hell bound individual who has not submitted to God's righteousness which comes by faith in Christ alone.
This video is totally false. Please don't listen to this fool. MacArthur and Pipper have wriitten hundreds of books and have preached thousands upon thousands of sermons. The proof is out there. What is this crap and falsehood.
Do Not listen to this garbage go listen to The actual preachers and make a decision for your self. The person who made this video surely is not mature enough to understand the text he quoted which is fully correct. Their is that point but the elect willnever reach that point and turn away God and majority of Men will not reach that point
you are misrepresting macarthur and piper. they have dozens of sermons teaching that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. their sermons on persevering and not sinning can not be taken out of context because they go hand in hand with their other sermons.
its the same as the Bible, we see some passages like in Hebrews and in James that almost sound like they are teaching salvation by works, but we all know they do not.
@cmpresents Do not let this video deceive you YOU can plainly go se john Macarthers and john pipers messages and understand that they do not teach salvation by works look for yourself be causer the bible teaches what they also teach
start listening at the 3:25 mark of the larry king live video on what happens after we die part 1. I think that's pretty clear on works salvation. don't you?
That clip of JMac was just an electronic voice... I'm pretty sure that John Macarthur and Piper have both read Ephesians 2:8-9 (and many MANY other verses in the Bible) and know that God has saved us only by grace ONLY through faith.
yes you can hit a point of unforgivness. the mark of the beast ring a bell. how about cursing the holy spirit? he hardened the heart of the pharsies so they couldn't be saved
AndrewcBain...you are wrong! You are just doing the enemy's work. Satan used partial of scriptures to attack Eve and Adam, and tried Jesus...for his own interest. So, don't do the same trick. Listen to all of John's sermons then only you know what the context. The Bible is very clear if you read it in context. Read Romans carefully, then you will understand. If you can't, then you are one of those that are not able to see the truth.
this is just dumb. I'm not even mad that you're being a complete fool about this... i'm actually impressed. Honestly, you have to work pretty hard to take these guys THAT out of context. Nice work!
this is just dumb. I'm not even mad that you're being a complete fool about this... i'm actually impressed. Honestly, you have to work pretty hard to take these guys THAT out of context. Nice work!
Calvinists are becoming very Catholic wow I thought that would never happen lol. I guess according to Calvinist the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus talks about love is Heresy . I never see or hear any love from Calvinists. Everything is negative and forgiveness and the love of Jesus is mocked by Calvinists. Maybe this has to do with the fruits of their murderous Pope. John Calvin was no better then Hitler a murderous thug.
ALL of these smooth talking church satanic leaders ARE the WOLVES in SHEEPS CLOTHING! John Piper, Rick Warren, Paul Washer, lay in bed with RUPERT MURDOCK! You're video is thumbed down and all the good researchers ALWAYS looks for the thumbed down videos FIRST!! Woo Hoo! BEWARE of those here on YT who are ALSO Calvanists too.. These people will take you to hell where they're going too!
blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is NOT turning away and ignoring Him it is calling the Spirit evil that is blaspheme there is an example of this in the Bible where the pharisees claimed that Jesus casted out demons with a demonic power so I guess the Calvinist want to redefine blaspheme against the Holy Spirit as disobedience this shouldn't be too surprising though since they have a tendency to make things seem as they want it to seem and not what it really stands for
Quote: ""What was the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit?" It was attributing to Satan the works of the Spirit. When they had all the revelation there was, in the presence of the living Christ on earth, they concluded it was satanic. They could never be forgiven. "
No Mr. McBain Macarthur Doesn't Preach a Salvation by Works you are misinterpreting their quotes and things they say. Macarthur has said time and time and time again that we are saved by Grace alone through Christ alone. I can give you several sermons and quotes from Macarthur to prove my point.
This is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE SPEAKING OF THE ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN IN THE BIBLE WHICH IS BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT! THAT MEANS A CONTINUED LIFESTYLE OF REJECTION OF GOD .
@MrMekPetros no it does not you need to stop listening to man and reread your Bible blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is to claim that it is the works of evil as the pharisees did when they claimed that Jesus casted out demons with a demonic power. NOT ignoring the Holy Spirit it has nothing to do with disobedience
@evewale what? I can tell by your comments you don't understand blasphemy. There are many blasphemies, blasphemy is also using the Lord's name in vain. But blaspheming the holy spirit is a continual rejection of God and what he stands for and living a lifestyle which rejects him and hates him. i hope you can get it...
@evewale no it is not i am sorry, and here is the scripture hope you change your mind...The concept of “blasphemy against the Spirit” is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. The term blasphemy may be generally defined as “defiant irreverence.” The term can be applied to such sins as cursing God or willfully degrading things relating to God. It is also attributing some evil to God, or denying Him some good that we should attribute to Him.
@MrMekPetros Mark 3:22-30 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem SAID, He hath BEELZEBUB, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
this is exactly what I was saying what are you missing here? Even the people of God reject the Holy Spirit when they sin at times & do not take heed 2 His guidance it"s NOT blaspheme I gave you Scripture you in return used the same event
@evewale The scripture reference is an example of the larger rejection of things related to God that is an example, of the larger criterion, and that was a description, doesn't mean that and only that is blasphemy....hope that makes sense. No when you sin you don't reject God, you just give in to flesh and as humans we do that, but we turn away and in no way sugarcoat our sins...i think you are missing the point a little.
@MrMekPetros doesn't mean that and only that is blasphemy
I don't believe I ever claimed that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit was the only kind of blaspheme however it is the only kind that WILL NOT be forgiven. So people need to know the what blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is. By your definition we all would be guilty because ALL of us at one point or another has rejected the Holy Spirit's conviction and guidance.
@evewale We see that the law is good, in showing us how far we coming from meeting them, like Paul said we acknowledge the law is good. We don't reject, and i maintain my point that it is a continual lifestyle of all things associated with God. Anyway Thanks for the conversation bro.
@MrMekPetros well in my case it would be sis lol but your welcome I'm speaking of before we are born again I know for a fact in my case that the Holy Spirit had convicted and drawn me several times before I accepted His guidance. Just saying your definition doesn't work. It seems as if neither one of us will be convinced by the other so I guess we will have to agree to disagree :-)
@evewale Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons' of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Mark 3:28-29 Then v. 30 explains what the Lord is speaking about. v30, Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit in v.22. They were attributing to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit.
@evewale You're welcome. In Mat. 12:32, the Lords, also says...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
@evewale The blasphemy of the Spirit today is the state of continued unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy against Him. Remember what is stated in John 3:16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Further ...the verse Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects......
but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him John 3:36 The only condition wherein someone would have no forgiveness is if he is not among the whoever believes in Himfor it is he who rejects the Son
@MrMekPetros now your speaking of Salvation and forgiveness not blaspheme and forgiveness. People rejecting God's gift of Salvation is not blaspheming the Holy Spirit. It's rejecting Jesus' sacrifice as their payment for sin BUT there sin COULD BE forgiven if they would ask and receive Christ. Those who claim the Holy Spirit is evil can NEVER be forgiven big difference sir
how you get a decision mixed up with mockery I don't know. Rejecting the Holy Spirit is choosing not to heed His guidance a (decision) calling good evil and evil good is blasphemy (mockery)
blas·phe·my –noun, plural -mies. 1. impious utterance or action concerning god or sacred things. 2. Judaism . a. an act of cursing or reviling God. b. pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) in the original, now forbidden manner instead of using a substitute pronunciation such as Adonai. 3. Theology . the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God. 4. irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.
Matthew 12:31-32 (King James Version) 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32And whosoever SPEAKETH a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever SPEAKETH against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Unbelievable! Very good video, no man can resist the Holy Spirit, or mar Spirit's purpose.Sin is a powerless state for all men no man by will brings Spirit into favor to know God.God does all redeeming,all.Piper calls himself a Calvinist but makes salvation subjective and some how achieved by self will.In fact I would say it is usually the person whom is at most resistance to curbing sin God overwhelms and saves.I came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Whole need not a doctor
Jesus Christ alone saves human soul, he know that condition & heart not you. One can know what kind of fruit they bear, He know your fruit. Repent! One can only share the truth, Jesus does the saving. Human have a choice God gave them free will.
You Andrew, are slanderous to the point of being a moron. Be cautious for God is JUST. And you are unjust in spreading your falsehoods. I believe the Apostle Paul would have labeled you as a "dog".
This is not salvation by works. Blasphemy of the Spirit does occur. At that point, the person has committed the sin unto death. They are thus permanently sealed in reprobation. This is not saying that a person exercises human ability to be saved. The scripture warns unbelievers regarding blasphemy of the Spirit. The warnings of the Word are to be preached. This not declare that salvation is by works or human ability or decision.
Uumm.. Doesn't the fact that one can blaspheme the HS totally undermine the doctrine of Calvinism? To blaspheme the HS is to put oneself beyond salvation - from what you say you clearly agree with this statement. But if you are elected to reprobation as Calvinists believe then you can never be saved anyway - so to whom does "blasphemy of the HS apply? To the Elect? Well they are the only ones who can be saved according to Calvinism so yes... BUT what about the 'P' in TULIP?
Uh, yeah, Andrew. Not sure what's driven you to malign and fabricate these things against two Bereans who are known for preaching against salvation by works... It's like when the pharisees claimed Jesus' ministry was of the devil--y'know, blasphemy, which seems to be a big issue for you.
I dunno--you're either delusional, a pseudo-intellectual apostate, or an unbeliever who dupes naive seekers/believers with false accusations and doctrine for sh*ts and giggles.
I think your tring to put words in their mouth and putting your view point in front of everything else ! Works does not mean reading the bible or tring to accept Jesus into your heart.
Stop putting words in their mouth and adding your own ! Your just Getting Jesus the Reds at you !
Hi Andrew, we should be able to discern sin unto death and sin not unto death: (1 John 5:16,17). It does nothing to do with the false doctrine of the "7 deadly sins".
MacArthur words: "We all have the opportunity to be saved. But if we reject that opportunity when we are given full revelation of the gospel, then we are unforgivable. We can never be forgiven". To be "given full revelation of the gospel" is the work of the Holy Spirit who convicts people of their sin. When people deny this, they "blaspheme" Him. Therefore, their "unbelief" is unforgivable. Only through faith in Jesus Christ & his atoning sacrifice on the cross can one be forgiven.
This is the actual quote fromMacArthur "We all have the opportunity to be saved. But if we reject that opportunity when we are given full revelation of the gospel, then we are unforgivable. We can never be forgiven". To be "given full revelation of the gospel" is the work of the Holy Spirit who convicts people of their sin. When people deny this, they "blaspheme" Him. Therefore, their "unbelief" is unforgivable, for forgiveness comes only through faith in Jesus & his atoning sacrifice.
In YOUR paraphrase of MacArthur's words: "salvation depends on you seizing on this opportunity." - you misinterpret "seizing this opportunity" to mean a "work" when it really means "to believe or to have faith" in the Lord Jesus. This is actually what MacArthur said and i quote: "we all have the opportunity to be saved. But if we reject that opportunity ...then we are unforgivable". Rejecting Christ or "unbelief" is failure to take the opportunity to "believe" in him.
'Assuredly, I [Jesus] say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation;'-'And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper' (Romans 1:28).' YOU DON'T READ YOUR BIBLE, DO YOU?
This analysis is incorrect. I have listened to many of John MacArthur's sermons on this subject and he does not advocate salvation by "working your way to heaven". He emphasizes that salvation is by grace though faith and that salvation is a gift of God.
I concur with you. This guy is clearly misrepresenting MacArthur's position on the salvation issue. However, there are a few things that MacAurther believe that i don't give credence to. The resurrection is one of those things.
Listen: You are a false teacher. You need to repent of these lies you are spreading. I have seen a couple of your other videos, and you are deliberately trying to distort what solid Bible teachers believe and teach. You are condemned already. You need to repent and stop being a tool in Satan's hands to spread lies about God's ministers. Were I you, I would quake with fear about judgment day. REPENT!!!!
Andrew you had better read your Bible a lot more then you will know that these to men Only speak the truth. You my friend are not understanding them because you don't know what the true gospel is. I love you and I hope that one day you will come to know the truth so I can sit and talk to you in Heaven.
wow....are you serious?...have you ever listened to their sermons?....you need to repent....FALSE.....FALSE.....FALSE....FALSE that is what you teach!!!!...may God show you mercy
They wouldnt teach that you can "fail to sieze the opportunity". They are both calvinists, who believe in irresistible grace. Do more research before you start putting men of God on blast. Thats so terrible.
you are a fool and sick..you are a new ager roman pagan for sure,,the voice u put here is sick sick as you are,,john macarthur would never say nothing like that,u fool,,that is not his voice,,ur useless and ur own ur way to hell,little satan.
Hey...wake up! God will never you fool Him. Your way of thinking is far smaller than the wisdom of God. Christians today always looking for gray area. Christ is clear, the Gospel is clear, disciples are clear in teaching...and this is true, that if you love God, you cannot love sin. It is clear that the Bible talk about there is sin that cannot be forgiven. Yes, Paul made it clear in all his teaching. Jesus said, you love your sin so much that you don't want to come to the light, the truth!
Preaching repentance is not preaching works. Repenting from sin is obedience to God. Works salvation is when you believe that doing good things (i.e. charity) will save you.
Mark 3:28 Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation— 30 because they said, He has an unclean spirit. Good day.
It's not about being ignorant but rather rejecting the Holy Spirit to the point He can not forgive you.
You are contradicting yourself when you quote 1 tim 1:13 because this verse basically says that Paul didn't know what he was doing until the Lord was gracious enough to reveal himself to him precisely because of his ignorance.
Read also Exodus chapters 7-9 and see How Pharaoh refused to believe God and resisted him. In the passage, the bible does not imply that he couldn't not believe but rather that he could have believed if he wanted to but hardened his heart instead.
This is a hoax, This is not John MacArthur's voice and this is not what he teaches. Please visit his website at Grace To You and you will find out that this is just not true!
Neither of these men believe in a man-centered salvation to begin with. The idea that a person can resist the irresistable call of the Holy Spirit is not their idea at all. They both would deny the possibility of a person being drawn to Christ and resisting to the point of ultimate damnation. They are both speaking of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which Christ, himself, says is unpardonable. Read your Bible, ask for the Holy Spirit's guiding, and, lastly, try to understand these men better.
Son you need to get you a bible that is a real bible and start reading it and find out what Blastphine the Holy Spirit is. Then come cback and start talking on the subject is.
BHS is when you know the Gospel of Jesus and then you start telling lies against it. Your damned for ever. When it comes to not believing or not knowing the scripture. You can never do the BHS at all. You must be a believer and then turn on him you can get to BHS.
I watched the first couple minutes of your vid and that's not MacArhtur's voice some one would have to be pretty dim to think it was, I don't think you can produce a real recording of John saying that. It's normal all thru history for people not to like hearing God's word, I have been challenged and convicted many times listening to MacArthur, God's word is sharper than any two edged sword and divides bone from marrow, that can hurt. Careful. Careful what you say, who you are speaking against.
Yeah I've only watched this video in for 15 seconds and I had to stop to comment. Homeboy here is clearly making some contextually biased claims to make MacArthur and Piper "appear" to say something they most certainly are not saying. Plus right off the bat he assigns both men as holding elementary Arminianst views. and if you know anything about Piper or MacArthur you can rest assured on that their theology does not permit one to lose their identity and salvation in Christ.
It's called Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, Read about it. It's also talked about in Hebrews 6:4. I recommend you read it and do your homework before you go out attacking the Truth.
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUYS VIDS OR ANYTHING ON HIS CHANNEL. Please stop with this nonsense. Are you really bored, hate real christianity, or what? You are trying to decieve!!
If you want actual evidence of this check out Macarthur's website. Listen to John Macarthur's sermon called: An Introduction to James, Part 1. He gives his position around 26 minutes in.
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MAcArthur is a MATT 5:19/2 Cor 11:13-15 rebellious criminal agent of SATAN who says JESUS abrogated the 4th commandment. He is more dangerous than jihad terorists because of his doctrine.. Unless he repents he will DIE in his rebellion along with SATAN
TRASHING the 4th commandment/Saturday sabbath (MEMORIAL OF CREATION) is the most obvious religious con job/deception on EARTH. Just compare how 99% of the church use ACTS 20:7 and never teach about ACTS 13:42-44, 16:13, 17:2 and 18:4. If PAUL trashed the sabbath, why didn't he warn all of the gentiles in ACTS to stop hanging around the Jews and come worship with him on the SUNday/Lord's day? Anti-evolutionists shoot their creation campaign in the foot by deleting the weekly creation reminder.
what? "salvation depends upon you seizing this opportunity" are you forgetting they are Calvinist? and if you are not go look up the 5 points of Calvinism
I think Piper confused judicial forgivness and relational forgiveness... but as fas as blaspheming the Spirit.,, I felt that you miss understood what he was saying on that...
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable Mark 3:29 and it's not in ignorance as you claim it's for attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil which you are dangerously treading by attacking these preachers of the truth there are plenty of false teachers out there these 2 are not like Hagee saying Jesus didn't come or never claimed to be Messiah
Sorry, but you are lying..They don't teach salvation by works. As calvinist, they couldn't possibly teach that. For salvation is a work of God alone. Repent sir. Your accusing them falsely and misquoting them ..
Part 1 Disobeying the son is NOT to obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Which is the sin of UNBELIEF which is the unforgivable sin if one dies in that state. Salvation comes only through Christ's imputed works of righteousness to the believer. This is what God will be looking for in you or me on judgment day
Part 2 which we receive through our obedience to the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ that justifies us before God. A person has either obeyed the Gospel of Jesus Christ and is saved by receiving the imputed righteousness of Christ or a person has NOT and is condemned by Gods justice. God came to save us from the wrath of his own justice. It is that simple.
If you want to do good for Christ... Which I assume you do... you should stop pointing fingers at men and start declaring the word of God from the Bible. John MacArthur and John Piper both have very effective ministries. Many people have come to know the Lord because of their commitment to God's word. Maybe you should try starting at what the Bible says and teach that.
All men are sinners, and no one man has it all right. You could easily find faults in man. But you should just teach the Bible
Anyone who has listened to sermons by either pastor Piper or MacArthur can tell you that neither teach or believe in salvation by works. Both are strict Calvinists. I can't discern if your purposefully misrepresenting these men or simply mistaken.
They are both pointing out that your continual sin will damn you if you keep on with it and not repent of it before the point of death. Once you die after a continually denying Christ, there is no forgiveness of your sin available to you.
That is heresy!!!!! You're saying that MacArthur said this? You're spreading false accusations. He has never said this. Why do you blaspheme against John?
look at the coments on this page all U will see is darkness and judgment. Jesus if your brother sins forgive!!!!!! not pass my test to see if your saved!!!
Jesus said U would know them by there Fruit. Out of the abunance of the heart they speek , if your eyes are filled with darkness how great is that darkness!! is that a nuff for u. look at these preachers words are they jugemental or as Jesus is loving. We must hold all sripture as if it is from God. U would Never here these guys say God so loved the world that he gave his son!! and fruit is not how many people come to there church. Wide is the gate that leeds to distruction.
DUDE FEAR GOD ! GOD (( WILL)) HUMBLE YOU ! DON'T YOU FEAR THE CHASTISEMENT YOU'VE GOT COMING ? A BITTER ROOT HAS GROWN INTO A FULL TREE OF SLANDERING BE SURE YOUR SIN WILL FIND YOU OUT ! as always, out of context, full of HATE to His GODLY ones!
Hebrews talks about people who reject with full knowledge, saying that all they have to expect is punishment, and that they cannot be brought to repentence. So he is right, there is a point that a person can in unbelief cross and therefore never be saved. This isn't salvation by works, it is DAMNATION by works, which is Biblical, people will be Judged by their works. You need to listen to some of his other sermons, because you are picking and choosing and putting words in his mouth
Absolutely... just listen to the full sermons... John MacArthur has two part exposition on this topic... and you just cut the statements of accuse these theologians... The essence of it that unfogivable sin is the sin of unbelief when the Holy Spirit reveals the highest revelation of Christ as a Savior or when the Holy Spirit convicts you of the truth of the Gospel and of sins intensely to the highest level and you still not repent and believe then there's no hope for you!!!
Matthew 12 suggest Lord Jesus done the miracle by the power of the Holy Spirit they have clearly seen it but the Pharisees attributed Christ's work to Satan and that's ultimate unbelief of the power of the Holy Spirit through Christ and that's blasphemy then you are hopeless.
Please do not be deceived, look at King Saul what happened to him when he continue in his sin against God without repentance? What about Samson when he toyed with sins the Spirit of God left him and ultimately he was destroyed together with the philistine. So your judgement gainst John Piper and John McArthur is questionable.
Read Hebrews, Parts of it will sound familiar to what Piper's saying. Seriously.. Hebrews and some other passages make me uncomfortable sometimes... and I am not some fool who doesn't understand the Scriptures. I have been studying them almost all my life. undergraduate and graduate biblical studies. I agree with you to an extent.. I have my doubts about their interpretations.
Both MacArthur and Piper are Calvinists. They each believe that only the elect will be saved. Therefore, nothing could be further from the truth than to claim that either of them believe in "salvation by works." To be a Calvinist is to believe the opposite of "free will" and any meritorious works ideology. You are either elected unconditionally, or you aren't going to be saved at all.
Faith... is an act of trust.
theres' not such thing as "effortless" christianity.
MrFennmeista 3 months ago
@MrFennmeista "theres' not such thing as "effortless" christianity."
My yoke is easy and My burden is light.
Daughter, your faith has made you whole.
What must I do to be saved? Paul responded, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
And this is the Father's will, that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life.
Lordship Salvation is a lie.
gore53 2 weeks ago
Who ever put this video together does not understand the Bible.
oneidiotoo 3 months ago
this is dishonest and misguided repent now
jmanexpress 4 months ago
You are an ignorant man, whoever made this video... The Bible CLEARY talks about your heart being hardened if you reject the truth too many times. Not "too much sin", but willingly rejecting the knowledge of the truth you have received. You have to have the knowledge of the truth first though. STUDY YOUR BIBLE! YOU my friend, are leading people astray. Forget what Piper and MacArthur said... You just said the opposite of scripture.
Tylrmclstr 5 months ago
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attitude8x 5 months ago
This is such a stupid analysis of what they are saying. The Bible says exactly what they are saying. And this British Loser is taking it out of context of what the Gospel is. No doubt it's in response to the fact that these men of God devote themselves to the truth of God's word, in it's entirety, to where they believe in the limited atonement of God's sacrifice for them that only the Holy spirit can redeem from a fallen state. This guy is a loser who thinks he's smart.
hipervan 6 months ago
the maker of this video is a troll trying to show how smart he is. I have heard many sermons of Mac Arthur saying many times that we are saved by grace through faith. just go to his web site and read his statement of faith. and you will see. piper Im not sure I dont know that much about him
lunabranwen 6 months ago
Men like john macarthur, john piper, driscoll etc are unsaved modernists who don't know the bible! they claim to believe in salvation by faith alone through grace but then require turning from sin as a requirement. This will make salvation by works in reality.
MariusLio 7 months ago
@MariusLio Wow -- are you misguided! "Except ye repent, ye will perish..." Jesus Christ.
Repent means turning from sin. That is ALSO a gift from God...not a human work.. And it happens at the moment of salvation by grace alone through faith alone. Show me an unrepentent person, and I'll show you a non-Christian.
sargeanton2 4 months ago
@sargeanton2 Show me a person who needs to add to the finished work of the Cross and I'll show you a hell bound individual who has not submitted to God's righteousness which comes by faith in Christ alone.
gore53 2 weeks ago
This video is totally false. Please don't listen to this fool. MacArthur and Pipper have wriitten hundreds of books and have preached thousands upon thousands of sermons. The proof is out there. What is this crap and falsehood.
midterngrades 8 months ago
Do Not listen to this garbage go listen to The actual preachers and make a decision for your self. The person who made this video surely is not mature enough to understand the text he quoted which is fully correct. Their is that point but the elect willnever reach that point and turn away God and majority of Men will not reach that point
Mankey43 8 months ago
you are misrepresting macarthur and piper. they have dozens of sermons teaching that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. their sermons on persevering and not sinning can not be taken out of context because they go hand in hand with their other sermons.
its the same as the Bible, we see some passages like in Hebrews and in James that almost sound like they are teaching salvation by works, but we all know they do not.
macarthur and piper are hardcore calvinists.
semajgnik 8 months ago 2
As far as I'm concern, all modern day preachers are fully corrupt and immature assholes.
cmpresents 9 months ago
@cmpresents Do not let this video deceive you YOU can plainly go se john Macarthers and john pipers messages and understand that they do not teach salvation by works look for yourself be causer the bible teaches what they also teach
Mankey43 8 months ago
start listening at the 3:25 mark of the larry king live video on what happens after we die part 1. I think that's pretty clear on works salvation. don't you?
kyleweston21 9 months ago
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kyleweston21 9 months ago
That clip of JMac was just an electronic voice... I'm pretty sure that John Macarthur and Piper have both read Ephesians 2:8-9 (and many MANY other verses in the Bible) and know that God has saved us only by grace ONLY through faith.
joemak92 10 months ago 2
This video is a huge unacademic critique of the people is analyzes. It's FULL of false assumptions.
re033784 10 months ago 5
yes you can hit a point of unforgivness. the mark of the beast ring a bell. how about cursing the holy spirit? he hardened the heart of the pharsies so they couldn't be saved
kenndogg51 1 year ago 2
real sheep can tell that this is not true :)
you didn't get the message mr.
listen to it again.
sorry for you.
theaudiovox 1 year ago
AndrewcBain...you are wrong! You are just doing the enemy's work. Satan used partial of scriptures to attack Eve and Adam, and tried Jesus...for his own interest. So, don't do the same trick. Listen to all of John's sermons then only you know what the context. The Bible is very clear if you read it in context. Read Romans carefully, then you will understand. If you can't, then you are one of those that are not able to see the truth.
csmdeg 1 year ago
this is just dumb. I'm not even mad that you're being a complete fool about this... i'm actually impressed. Honestly, you have to work pretty hard to take these guys THAT out of context. Nice work!
alhixson 1 year ago
this is just dumb. I'm not even mad that you're being a complete fool about this... i'm actually impressed. Honestly, you have to work pretty hard to take these guys THAT out of context. Nice work!
alhixson 1 year ago
Calvinists are becoming very Catholic wow I thought that would never happen lol. I guess according to Calvinist the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus talks about love is Heresy . I never see or hear any love from Calvinists. Everything is negative and forgiveness and the love of Jesus is mocked by Calvinists. Maybe this has to do with the fruits of their murderous Pope. John Calvin was no better then Hitler a murderous thug.
Recon4Jesus 1 year ago
ALL of these smooth talking church satanic leaders ARE the WOLVES in SHEEPS CLOTHING! John Piper, Rick Warren, Paul Washer, lay in bed with RUPERT MURDOCK! You're video is thumbed down and all the good researchers ALWAYS looks for the thumbed down videos FIRST!! Woo Hoo! BEWARE of those here on YT who are ALSO Calvanists too.. These people will take you to hell where they're going too!
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is NOT turning away and ignoring Him it is calling the Spirit evil that is blaspheme there is an example of this in the Bible where the pharisees claimed that Jesus casted out demons with a demonic power so I guess the Calvinist want to redefine blaspheme against the Holy Spirit as disobedience this shouldn't be too surprising though since they have a tendency to make things seem as they want it to seem and not what it really stands for
evewale 1 year ago
Great Vid. MacArthur and Piper are false prophets!!!
jacksmack77 1 year ago
Quote: ""What was the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit?" It was attributing to Satan the works of the Spirit. When they had all the revelation there was, in the presence of the living Christ on earth, they concluded it was satanic. They could never be forgiven. "
Bearkiller777 1 year ago
No Mr. McBain Macarthur Doesn't Preach a Salvation by Works you are misinterpreting their quotes and things they say. Macarthur has said time and time and time again that we are saved by Grace alone through Christ alone. I can give you several sermons and quotes from Macarthur to prove my point.
Bearkiller777 1 year ago
This is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE SPEAKING OF THE ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN IN THE BIBLE WHICH IS BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT! THAT MEANS A CONTINUED LIFESTYLE OF REJECTION OF GOD .
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
@MrMekPetros no it does not you need to stop listening to man and reread your Bible blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is to claim that it is the works of evil as the pharisees did when they claimed that Jesus casted out demons with a demonic power. NOT ignoring the Holy Spirit it has nothing to do with disobedience
evewale 1 year ago
@evewale what? I can tell by your comments you don't understand blasphemy. There are many blasphemies, blasphemy is also using the Lord's name in vain. But blaspheming the holy spirit is a continual rejection of God and what he stands for and living a lifestyle which rejects him and hates him. i hope you can get it...
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
@MrMekPetros give me Scripture to prove that please. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is claiming that He is a Spirit of evil and not Holy.
evewale 1 year ago
@evewale no it is not i am sorry, and here is the scripture hope you change your mind...The concept of “blasphemy against the Spirit” is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. The term blasphemy may be generally defined as “defiant irreverence.” The term can be applied to such sins as cursing God or willfully degrading things relating to God. It is also attributing some evil to God, or denying Him some good that we should attribute to Him.
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
@MrMekPetros Mark 3:22-30 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem SAID, He hath BEELZEBUB, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
this is exactly what I was saying what are you missing here? Even the people of God reject the Holy Spirit when they sin at times & do not take heed 2 His guidance it"s NOT blaspheme I gave you Scripture you in return used the same event
evewale 1 year ago
@evewale The scripture reference is an example of the larger rejection of things related to God that is an example, of the larger criterion, and that was a description, doesn't mean that and only that is blasphemy....hope that makes sense. No when you sin you don't reject God, you just give in to flesh and as humans we do that, but we turn away and in no way sugarcoat our sins...i think you are missing the point a little.
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
@MrMekPetros doesn't mean that and only that is blasphemy
I don't believe I ever claimed that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit was the only kind of blaspheme however it is the only kind that WILL NOT be forgiven. So people need to know the what blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is. By your definition we all would be guilty because ALL of us at one point or another has rejected the Holy Spirit's conviction and guidance.
No when you sin you don't reject God
yes you do you reject His law
evewale 1 year ago
@evewale We see that the law is good, in showing us how far we coming from meeting them, like Paul said we acknowledge the law is good. We don't reject, and i maintain my point that it is a continual lifestyle of all things associated with God. Anyway Thanks for the conversation bro.
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
@MrMekPetros well in my case it would be sis lol but your welcome I'm speaking of before we are born again I know for a fact in my case that the Holy Spirit had convicted and drawn me several times before I accepted His guidance. Just saying your definition doesn't work. It seems as if neither one of us will be convinced by the other so I guess we will have to agree to disagree :-)
evewale 1 year ago
@evewale Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons' of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Mark 3:28-29 Then v. 30 explains what the Lord is speaking about. v30, Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit in v.22. They were attributing to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit.
luvmusic09 11 months ago
@luvmusic09 thank you that is exactly what I was trying to say :-)
evewale 11 months ago
@evewale You're welcome. In Mat. 12:32, the Lords, also says...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Keep contending for the Faith.
luvmusic09 11 months ago
@evewale The blasphemy of the Spirit today is the state of continued unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy against Him. Remember what is stated in John 3:16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Further ...the verse Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects......
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him John 3:36 The only condition wherein someone would have no forgiveness is if he is not among the whoever believes in Himfor it is he who rejects the Son
MrMekPetros 1 year ago
@MrMekPetros now your speaking of Salvation and forgiveness not blaspheme and forgiveness. People rejecting God's gift of Salvation is not blaspheming the Holy Spirit. It's rejecting Jesus' sacrifice as their payment for sin BUT there sin COULD BE forgiven if they would ask and receive Christ. Those who claim the Holy Spirit is evil can NEVER be forgiven big difference sir
evewale 1 year ago
how you get a decision mixed up with mockery I don't know. Rejecting the Holy Spirit is choosing not to heed His guidance a (decision) calling good evil and evil good is blasphemy (mockery)
evewale 1 year ago
evewale 1 year ago
Matthew 12:31-32 (King James Version) 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32And whosoever SPEAKETH a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever SPEAKETH against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
evewale 1 year ago
The quotation is taken out of context. It is clearly an illustration to the members of the elect listening to knuckle down and answer their election.
uniontory 1 year ago
Unbelievable! Very good video, no man can resist the Holy Spirit, or mar Spirit's purpose.Sin is a powerless state for all men no man by will brings Spirit into favor to know God.God does all redeeming,all.Piper calls himself a Calvinist but makes salvation subjective and some how achieved by self will.In fact I would say it is usually the person whom is at most resistance to curbing sin God overwhelms and saves.I came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Whole need not a doctor
polopowers1 1 year ago
No where in the Bible does it say we must stop sinning or clean up our acts to be saved (turn from sins).
Most of this error comes from people giving a false definition to the word repent/repentance.
Check out who's doing the repenting in the Old Testament (KJV Bible). Do a keyword search for repent.
onlineministries 1 year ago
Jesus Christ alone saves human soul, he know that condition & heart not you. One can know what kind of fruit they bear, He know your fruit. Repent! One can only share the truth, Jesus does the saving. Human have a choice God gave them free will.
sungmee45 1 year ago
how do you accuse a calvinist of teaching works? lol
tinkandray 1 year ago
You Andrew, are slanderous to the point of being a moron. Be cautious for God is JUST. And you are unjust in spreading your falsehoods. I believe the Apostle Paul would have labeled you as a "dog".
bulldog7610 1 year ago
This is not salvation by works. Blasphemy of the Spirit does occur. At that point, the person has committed the sin unto death. They are thus permanently sealed in reprobation. This is not saying that a person exercises human ability to be saved. The scripture warns unbelievers regarding blasphemy of the Spirit. The warnings of the Word are to be preached. This not declare that salvation is by works or human ability or decision.
graceexplosion 1 year ago
@graceexplosion
Uumm.. Doesn't the fact that one can blaspheme the HS totally undermine the doctrine of Calvinism? To blaspheme the HS is to put oneself beyond salvation - from what you say you clearly agree with this statement. But if you are elected to reprobation as Calvinists believe then you can never be saved anyway - so to whom does "blasphemy of the HS apply? To the Elect? Well they are the only ones who can be saved according to Calvinism so yes... BUT what about the 'P' in TULIP?
raxorules 1 year ago
Uh, yeah, Andrew. Not sure what's driven you to malign and fabricate these things against two Bereans who are known for preaching against salvation by works... It's like when the pharisees claimed Jesus' ministry was of the devil--y'know, blasphemy, which seems to be a big issue for you.
I dunno--you're either delusional, a pseudo-intellectual apostate, or an unbeliever who dupes naive seekers/believers with false accusations and doctrine for sh*ts and giggles.
KalosSkopeo 1 year ago
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dude you are retarded
Lawsonddt8116 1 year ago
Just read Mark Chapter 3.
Simple as that.
And salvation isn't achieved by man, only by God. And John Piper/ John MacArthur do NOT teach that man achieves salvation.
putdalimeindac0c0nut 1 year ago
I think your tring to put words in their mouth and putting your view point in front of everything else ! Works does not mean reading the bible or tring to accept Jesus into your heart.
Stop putting words in their mouth and adding your own ! Your just Getting Jesus the Reds at you !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
Hi Andrew, we should be able to discern sin unto death and sin not unto death: (1 John 5:16,17). It does nothing to do with the false doctrine of the "7 deadly sins".
tonyvolf 1 year ago
Are you OK dude????? do something useful
AwsomeJesus 1 year ago 2
MacArthur words: "We all have the opportunity to be saved. But if we reject that opportunity when we are given full revelation of the gospel, then we are unforgivable. We can never be forgiven". To be "given full revelation of the gospel" is the work of the Holy Spirit who convicts people of their sin. When people deny this, they "blaspheme" Him. Therefore, their "unbelief" is unforgivable. Only through faith in Jesus Christ & his atoning sacrifice on the cross can one be forgiven.
pastoralp 1 year ago 3
This is the actual quote fromMacArthur "We all have the opportunity to be saved. But if we reject that opportunity when we are given full revelation of the gospel, then we are unforgivable. We can never be forgiven". To be "given full revelation of the gospel" is the work of the Holy Spirit who convicts people of their sin. When people deny this, they "blaspheme" Him. Therefore, their "unbelief" is unforgivable, for forgiveness comes only through faith in Jesus & his atoning sacrifice.
pastoralp 1 year ago 2
In YOUR paraphrase of MacArthur's words: "salvation depends on you seizing on this opportunity." - you misinterpret "seizing this opportunity" to mean a "work" when it really means "to believe or to have faith" in the Lord Jesus. This is actually what MacArthur said and i quote: "we all have the opportunity to be saved. But if we reject that opportunity ...then we are unforgivable". Rejecting Christ or "unbelief" is failure to take the opportunity to "believe" in him.
pastoralp 1 year ago 3
'Assuredly, I [Jesus] say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation;'-'And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper' (Romans 1:28).' YOU DON'T READ YOUR BIBLE, DO YOU?
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
This analysis is incorrect. I have listened to many of John MacArthur's sermons on this subject and he does not advocate salvation by "working your way to heaven". He emphasizes that salvation is by grace though faith and that salvation is a gift of God.
upright41 1 year ago 15
@upright41
I concur with you. This guy is clearly misrepresenting MacArthur's position on the salvation issue. However, there are a few things that MacAurther believe that i don't give credence to. The resurrection is one of those things.
tmat04 1 year ago
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@tmat04
So you believe that there is no Resurrection?
hondacow001 11 months ago
@upright41
A physical resurrection, that is!
tmat04 1 year ago
no listen to this guy you will know that Jesus is true this guy is real satanic
bizzarreangel 1 year ago
nonsense
bizzarreangel 1 year ago
what are you saying? hahah... selective hearing at its best LOL
kit2ng219 1 year ago
You are a liar and dont accept the gospel, Jesus said a tree is known by its fruit. Faith without works is dead. Is this so hard to understand.
b1foschiefs 1 year ago
Listen: You are a false teacher. You need to repent of these lies you are spreading. I have seen a couple of your other videos, and you are deliberately trying to distort what solid Bible teachers believe and teach. You are condemned already. You need to repent and stop being a tool in Satan's hands to spread lies about God's ministers. Were I you, I would quake with fear about judgment day. REPENT!!!!
larrywalkerntbi 1 year ago
This guy is a moron
John Macarthur is a great teacher
SpcMedia21 1 year ago
Andrew you had better read your Bible a lot more then you will know that these to men Only speak the truth. You my friend are not understanding them because you don't know what the true gospel is. I love you and I hope that one day you will come to know the truth so I can sit and talk to you in Heaven.
dbroda2000 1 year ago
ever read hebrews 6:4?
oomylanta 1 year ago
they are quoting the bible, you aren't even quoting them right...
BezemerPeter 1 year ago
wow....are you serious?...have you ever listened to their sermons?....you need to repent....FALSE.....FALSE.....FALSE....FALSE that is what you teach!!!!...may God show you mercy
rajecks 1 year ago 3
I've listened to both of these men for years. They teach no such thing.
Yesica1993 1 year ago
well....truth is truth, if you decide to turn against truth, what's left?
aidancromer 1 year ago
You are in a pitiful state, AndrewcBain. How very, very sad for you. You are so lost in the Word.
VoldFam 1 year ago
They wouldnt teach that you can "fail to sieze the opportunity". They are both calvinists, who believe in irresistible grace. Do more research before you start putting men of God on blast. Thats so terrible.
tehbobb08 1 year ago
would a Jesus-loving Christian publicly humiliate another follower of Christ on YouTube?
MosesInTheFlesh 1 year ago
Sorry, you didn't even try to get the mechanical voice to sound like them. Anyone can say they are "quoting" these men. Please.
johe64 1 year ago
you are a fool and sick..you are a new ager roman pagan for sure,,the voice u put here is sick sick as you are,,john macarthur would never say nothing like that,u fool,,that is not his voice,,ur useless and ur own ur way to hell,little satan.
necas00 1 year ago
That's not John Mcarthur's voice, lol
09boba 1 year ago
BULLCRAP. paul murdered christians. there is no line, you're misinterpreting mac and piper.
anonazero 1 year ago
Hey...wake up! God will never you fool Him. Your way of thinking is far smaller than the wisdom of God. Christians today always looking for gray area. Christ is clear, the Gospel is clear, disciples are clear in teaching...and this is true, that if you love God, you cannot love sin. It is clear that the Bible talk about there is sin that cannot be forgiven. Yes, Paul made it clear in all his teaching. Jesus said, you love your sin so much that you don't want to come to the light, the truth!
csmdeg 1 year ago
Preaching repentance is not preaching works. Repenting from sin is obedience to God. Works salvation is when you believe that doing good things (i.e. charity) will save you.
98nafets 1 year ago 2
Read your bible sir.
Mark 3:28 Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation— 30 because they said, He has an unclean spirit. Good day.
standontherockv1 2 years ago
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It's not about being ignorant but rather rejecting the Holy Spirit to the point He can not forgive you.
You are contradicting yourself when you quote 1 tim 1:13 because this verse basically says that Paul didn't know what he was doing until the Lord was gracious enough to reveal himself to him precisely because of his ignorance.
lelouplab 2 years ago
Please read
2 Thessalonicians 2. 9-12
1 John 5.16
Read also Exodus chapters 7-9 and see How Pharaoh refused to believe God and resisted him. In the passage, the bible does not imply that he couldn't not believe but rather that he could have believed if he wanted to but hardened his heart instead.
lelouplab 2 years ago
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read also the story of Saul in Samuel and see for yourself if he hadn't been called by God and touched by the Spirit before he rejecting Him.
It's the unforgivable sin against the holy spirit
Not the unforgivable sin of ignorance and unbelief.
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lelouplab 2 years ago
blasphemy of the holly spirt. matthew 12:36
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polopowers1 2 years ago
This is a hoax, This is not John MacArthur's voice and this is not what he teaches. Please visit his website at Grace To You and you will find out that this is just not true!
jasperjacko 2 years ago 11
Neither of these men believe in a man-centered salvation to begin with. The idea that a person can resist the irresistable call of the Holy Spirit is not their idea at all. They both would deny the possibility of a person being drawn to Christ and resisting to the point of ultimate damnation. They are both speaking of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which Christ, himself, says is unpardonable. Read your Bible, ask for the Holy Spirit's guiding, and, lastly, try to understand these men better.
turflife2 2 years ago 3
Son you need to get you a bible that is a real bible and start reading it and find out what Blastphine the Holy Spirit is. Then come cback and start talking on the subject is.
BHS is when you know the Gospel of Jesus and then you start telling lies against it. Your damned for ever. When it comes to not believing or not knowing the scripture. You can never do the BHS at all. You must be a believer and then turn on him you can get to BHS.
turtle4aire 2 years ago
I watched the first couple minutes of your vid and that's not MacArhtur's voice some one would have to be pretty dim to think it was, I don't think you can produce a real recording of John saying that. It's normal all thru history for people not to like hearing God's word, I have been challenged and convicted many times listening to MacArthur, God's word is sharper than any two edged sword and divides bone from marrow, that can hurt. Careful. Careful what you say, who you are speaking against.
jasonsamason 2 years ago
and yes I agree with you Shlukh, this man is distorting the facts. I believe his intentions are well. but he is misinformed
shaneray7205 2 years ago
Yeah I've only watched this video in for 15 seconds and I had to stop to comment. Homeboy here is clearly making some contextually biased claims to make MacArthur and Piper "appear" to say something they most certainly are not saying. Plus right off the bat he assigns both men as holding elementary Arminianst views. and if you know anything about Piper or MacArthur you can rest assured on that their theology does not permit one to lose their identity and salvation in Christ.
shaneray7205 2 years ago
This andrew is some kind of deceiver. Hes distorting facts as he goes.
shlukh 2 years ago 2
And yes they are both Calvinists, your taking some of what they are saying out of context. Go look up the TULIP series.
BennyMetal7 2 years ago 2
its like a conversation with Laurel and Hardy
Gee Ollie , we forgot to produce any evidence !
Doh!
ilikezappa 2 years ago
It's called Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, Read about it. It's also talked about in Hebrews 6:4. I recommend you read it and do your homework before you go out attacking the Truth.
BennyMetal7 2 years ago 2
F A L S E !!!!!!!!!
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUYS VIDS OR ANYTHING ON HIS CHANNEL. Please stop with this nonsense. Are you really bored, hate real christianity, or what? You are trying to decieve!!
cac0017 2 years ago 46
@cac0017
If you want actual evidence of this check out Macarthur's website. Listen to John Macarthur's sermon called: An Introduction to James, Part 1. He gives his position around 26 minutes in.
hondacow001 11 months ago
99% of the Christian clergy and...
MacArthur is actually correct on his words here. The narrator is in error
gettalifenow 2 years ago 3
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MAcArthur is a MATT 5:19/2 Cor 11:13-15 rebellious criminal agent of SATAN who says JESUS abrogated the 4th commandment. He is more dangerous than jihad terorists because of his doctrine.. Unless he repents he will DIE in his rebellion along with SATAN
gettalifenow 2 years ago
Twist not Scriptures lest ye be like Satan.
BennyMetal7 2 years ago 2
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TRASHING the 4th commandment/Saturday sabbath (MEMORIAL OF CREATION) is the most obvious religious con job/deception on EARTH. Just compare how 99% of the church use ACTS 20:7 and never teach about ACTS 13:42-44, 16:13, 17:2 and 18:4. If PAUL trashed the sabbath, why didn't he warn all of the gentiles in ACTS to stop hanging around the Jews and come worship with him on the SUNday/Lord's day? Anti-evolutionists shoot their creation campaign in the foot by deleting the weekly creation reminder.
gettalifenow 2 years ago
what? "salvation depends upon you seizing this opportunity" are you forgetting they are Calvinist? and if you are not go look up the 5 points of Calvinism
n9athan 2 years ago
This is fraud as the quote was not MacArthur speaking and this is not his teaching.
MacArthur is a goiod teacher and this is just plain old SLANDER.
WRITER100 2 years ago
What a load of tosh! Sort your life out and stop your mischief.
Cookey77 2 years ago
I think Piper confused judicial forgivness and relational forgiveness... but as fas as blaspheming the Spirit.,, I felt that you miss understood what he was saying on that...
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henkjdewit 2 years ago
lies!
jtiegreen1285 2 years ago 2
"If your religion does not produce a change of behavior in your life, it will NOT produce a change in your destination"
Spurgeon
Stan1208 2 years ago
The voice of Macarthur is a fake , he used a software to created maybe like MorphVOX junior.
kabowd7 2 years ago 2
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable Mark 3:29 and it's not in ignorance as you claim it's for attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil which you are dangerously treading by attacking these preachers of the truth there are plenty of false teachers out there these 2 are not like Hagee saying Jesus didn't come or never claimed to be Messiah
lisagabel 2 years ago 2
How you going to make this claim then computer generate what Macarthur was suppose to say use the real clip if it's true
lisagabel 2 years ago 2
Sorry, but you are lying..They don't teach salvation by works. As calvinist, they couldn't possibly teach that. For salvation is a work of God alone. Repent sir. Your accusing them falsely and misquoting them ..
Vargsvideoblogs 2 years ago 33
sure is that wasn't even macarthur's voice
lisagabel 2 years ago
@Vargsvideoblogs yah satan will be happy for you!
bizzarreangel 1 year ago
@Vargsvideoblogs
You are a Calvinist, who believes in Perseverance of the Saints. You have no room to talk.
bibleword 1 year ago
Part 1 Disobeying the son is NOT to obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Which is the sin of UNBELIEF which is the unforgivable sin if one dies in that state. Salvation comes only through Christ's imputed works of righteousness to the believer. This is what God will be looking for in you or me on judgment day
WITNESSMINISTRIES 2 years ago
Part 2 which we receive through our obedience to the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ that justifies us before God. A person has either obeyed the Gospel of Jesus Christ and is saved by receiving the imputed righteousness of Christ or a person has NOT and is condemned by Gods justice. God came to save us from the wrath of his own justice. It is that simple.
WITNESSMINISTRIES 2 years ago
If you want to do good for Christ... Which I assume you do... you should stop pointing fingers at men and start declaring the word of God from the Bible. John MacArthur and John Piper both have very effective ministries. Many people have come to know the Lord because of their commitment to God's word. Maybe you should try starting at what the Bible says and teach that.
All men are sinners, and no one man has it all right. You could easily find faults in man. But you should just teach the Bible
dcbailey8589 2 years ago
Indeed these are TWO of Christ's great engines for TRUTH in the world. may the Almighty bless them.
fullmetalcalvinist 2 years ago
After viewing some of your other posts I have to conclude that you are not simply mistaken and are indeed a liar.
rottedcorps 2 years ago 2
Anyone who has listened to sermons by either pastor Piper or MacArthur can tell you that neither teach or believe in salvation by works. Both are strict Calvinists. I can't discern if your purposefully misrepresenting these men or simply mistaken.
rottedcorps 2 years ago
No, I think he's purposefully doing it. This is not a mistake, this is a lie he's spreading.
geedup415 2 years ago
While I don't believe a word this man says, I enjoy his audio clips.
JRDay99 2 years ago
They are both pointing out that your continual sin will damn you if you keep on with it and not repent of it before the point of death. Once you die after a continually denying Christ, there is no forgiveness of your sin available to you.
txrich1974 2 years ago
Absolutely, God shows mercy on some and hardens others. So the warning is, "Repent, and do not be hardened and face judgment".
Studier101 2 years ago
That is heresy!!!!! You're saying that MacArthur said this? You're spreading false accusations. He has never said this. Why do you blaspheme against John?
geedup415 2 years ago 2
Amen!!
rojocarpathia 2 years ago
That sure doesnt sound like john macarthur sounds more like a robot, maybe John was sick that day
tjpetersen81 2 years ago
You say that there are no sins that differ from others you need to look at 1John.
TheGin151 2 years ago
show the real video where John Macarthur say's this!
TheGin151 2 years ago 7
Johnny Mac is the MAN!!!
muckraker100 2 years ago 2
Man it is this guy again. You gotta give him for his ardor and diligence. He amuses me.
kevinleek2k 2 years ago
The question is whether one can lose salvation by believing in God and not obeying Him .
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble
monkigun 2 years ago
look at the coments on this page all U will see is darkness and judgment. Jesus if your brother sins forgive!!!!!! not pass my test to see if your saved!!!
egatz4u 2 years ago
Jesus said U would know them by there Fruit. Out of the abunance of the heart they speek , if your eyes are filled with darkness how great is that darkness!! is that a nuff for u. look at these preachers words are they jugemental or as Jesus is loving. We must hold all sripture as if it is from God. U would Never here these guys say God so loved the world that he gave his son!! and fruit is not how many people come to there church. Wide is the gate that leeds to distruction.
egatz4u 2 years ago
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This is so stupid...
TheSunShinesbyGrace 2 years ago
DUDE FEAR GOD ! GOD (( WILL)) HUMBLE YOU ! DON'T YOU FEAR THE CHASTISEMENT YOU'VE GOT COMING ? A BITTER ROOT HAS GROWN INTO A FULL TREE OF SLANDERING BE SURE YOUR SIN WILL FIND YOU OUT ! as always, out of context, full of HATE to His GODLY ones!
ReformedTheology5 2 years ago
Hebrews talks about people who reject with full knowledge, saying that all they have to expect is punishment, and that they cannot be brought to repentence. So he is right, there is a point that a person can in unbelief cross and therefore never be saved. This isn't salvation by works, it is DAMNATION by works, which is Biblical, people will be Judged by their works. You need to listen to some of his other sermons, because you are picking and choosing and putting words in his mouth
rickyboy222 2 years ago
Absolutely... just listen to the full sermons... John MacArthur has two part exposition on this topic... and you just cut the statements of accuse these theologians... The essence of it that unfogivable sin is the sin of unbelief when the Holy Spirit reveals the highest revelation of Christ as a Savior or when the Holy Spirit convicts you of the truth of the Gospel and of sins intensely to the highest level and you still not repent and believe then there's no hope for you!!!
SMCVision55 2 years ago
Matthew 12 suggest Lord Jesus done the miracle by the power of the Holy Spirit they have clearly seen it but the Pharisees attributed Christ's work to Satan and that's ultimate unbelief of the power of the Holy Spirit through Christ and that's blasphemy then you are hopeless.
SMCVision55 2 years ago
Please do not be deceived, look at King Saul what happened to him when he continue in his sin against God without repentance? What about Samson when he toyed with sins the Spirit of God left him and ultimately he was destroyed together with the philistine. So your judgement gainst John Piper and John McArthur is questionable.
justiceye 2 years ago
your a knuckle head, total waste of time. If you keep rejecting the Holy spirit, it will leave you! Your a false teacher!
graciecleveland 2 years ago 2
Please post one video where you proclaim what the Bible says instead of pointlessly pointing fingers at renowned theologians.
dcbailey8589 2 years ago 5
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ReformedTheology5 2 years ago
Read Hebrews, Parts of it will sound familiar to what Piper's saying. Seriously.. Hebrews and some other passages make me uncomfortable sometimes... and I am not some fool who doesn't understand the Scriptures. I have been studying them almost all my life. undergraduate and graduate biblical studies. I agree with you to an extent.. I have my doubts about their interpretations.
jsorrell 2 years ago
Well I did not hear John MacArthur say anything, That was not his voice, it was someone else.
garingerron 2 years ago
Both MacArthur and Piper are Calvinists. They each believe that only the elect will be saved. Therefore, nothing could be further from the truth than to claim that either of them believe in "salvation by works." To be a Calvinist is to believe the opposite of "free will" and any meritorious works ideology. You are either elected unconditionally, or you aren't going to be saved at all.
rodelliot 2 years ago