this is total bullshit. MJ NEVER pulled this shit off against a GOOD team on the ROAD. all this NIGGER lover HOOPS does is post every MADE shot against garbage teams when MJ is in the confines of his home arena. lets see some road performances, hot shot. KOBE rips shit up on the road, because thats what real KILLERS do. Fuckin con artist.
@MrYoyoma33 i think there was an away game for the lakers against the 76ers.. kobe scored 2 points in 38 minutes of play... he definitely RIPS SHIT UP ON THE ROAD! lol
MJ made things look so effortless but just remember this. He had TWICE the advantage over his opponents because he not only dominated them physically, he ruled them MENTALLY as well. He is one of the few players I can think of in any sport that simply imposed his will on the other team in a way that you could clearly see made them shrink under the pressure.
Hoopsencyclopedia you made a great point in your video description that people should take notice of when comparing Jordan to Kobe. Jordan didn't pile up big points vs. mediocre teams; he scored big against tough opponents when it mattered showing how Jordan wanted to will his team to win at any cost. Kobe scores big points vs. bad teams (81 vs. the Raptors and 61 vs. the Knicks in 2009) Phil said Michael scores big on the enemy's top player to take out their heart, while Kobe chases records.
lol at you thinkin magic isn't a better passer and playmaker is beyond me...it's like you won't give magic his credit it isn't his fault he played with one of the best centers of all time...magic is not vastly better than bird but besides range magic does everything slightly better except rebounds which both are good at...magic can play multiple positions and makes player better imo why anyone would pick bird over magic is another mystery that alludes me
sure kareem was as valuable a center of kareem skill is really hard to come by but who won the ring for lakers on his rookie season and was finals mvp in his rookie year? I'll wait lol larry bird has better range shooter but besides that magic is better in every other way
kobe would be less the athlete he is today if he played back in mj's era he is still struggling to learn what mj was born with A pure knowledge of skills take over any and every game sick or not period
Allen Iverson shoots about the same percentage kobe does with the new rules. That is a joke that Iverson can shoot the same percentage as the supposed great kobe. Kobe is great but he has just now shown me things I saw in Jordan from the beginning. At least kobe is starting to learn how to play the game. Can not put him down for that.He is a very talented player and now that he is playing intelligently I could make a case for him being similar to mj. But that is it.
I think these Kobe lovers should have to state their age when commenting, so we know right away they're talking out their ass. I guarantee you 99% of them never saw a live game of Jordan's career (Wizards don't count).
More fun with stats. If Kobe hit his next 1300 consecutive shots, his career FG% would still be lower than Jordan's. If he played 75 consecutive games without a turnover, his turnovers/game would still be higher than Jordan's. Jordan has 8 playoff games with 50 or more, Kobe's next will be his first. Jemele Hill is on drugs.
Jordan dominates Kobe in stats. To put things in perspective, if Kobe played the next five seasons averaging 40 ppg (his career high is 35.4), 8 rpg (career high 6.9), 6.6 apg (career high 6), 3.8 steals per game (career high 2.2), and 1.2 blocks per game (career high 1.0), he still would have LOWER career averages than Jordan. In other words, 5 consecutive years of playing out of his mind and beyond anything he's ever done before and he still would have lesser career averages than MJ. Ouch.
A.I. is a good defender! How the hell can he steal the ball consistently if he is not defending? He is probably not the best defender but certainly he is a good one. A.I. is so underated in defense. They don't appriciate his fucking effort... And y'all know what separate MJ from the rest? He combine stats with reality! Offensive stat, defensive stat, awards, records and championships!!!
mj said so himself in an interview that he's never met someone as competitive as him. in this case he didnt even need to try his best to dominate, as he always does to his opponent.
lol at people saying Kobe is more skilled. Kobe does so many things just to shake his man that it looks like he's working so hard. MJ did things so effortlessly that sometimes it makes him look less skilled than he really is.
@joelb9 I don't quite understand what you're saying so please clarify. As for me, I think MJ is one of the most skilled , fundamentally sound, and complete players in the history of the game on both ends of the court. He could literally do it all, and with incredible consistency which is a true measure of the completeness and refinement of one's skillset. Not to mention that he dominated in a physically more demanding defensive era.
what are you talking about...im just baketball fan.... but kobe is 198 cm or 6.6 like mike 198 cm or 6.6 ....... But Kobe is a little big muscular because his weihht know is 99.8 kg or 220 ... At age of 29 michael was 212 or 96 kg...
o and uhhh btw kobe is 1 and half inch taller than jordan standin in at almost 6'8" so its pretty much equal. Jordan a bit more gifted, but kobe almost 2 inches taller which makes a big difference when you want to dunk. Trust me i play ball.
Don't not reply to the height issue, why do you ask? Kobe is 6'6", he's not taller than Mike, he's not 6'8", if Kobe was 6'8" he would be the same height as T-Mac and everyone can see that T-Mac towers over Kobe? Trust...
how the hell do you think kobe started playin the way he did, by watching jordan. His friends from italy said that he would watch jordan tapes for hours a day.
MJ was better than Kobe will ever be because: 1) MJ could fly; 2) MJ played better defense; 3) MJ was quicker, faster, stronger...but, with that said, I think Kobe is still more skilled than MJ. He isnt half the athlete that MJ was but he polished his skills by forcing more hours of practice
You just stuck your ENTIRE foot in your mouth!!! Read your own response and then ask yourself, "Does that make any sense?" The answer is "H*LL NO!!!", I understand you love Kobe & hey do what you do, but the reality is Kobe wants to be like Mike and that's sad, because Kobe doesn't even know who he is? He's been too busy living in the shadow of another man... When Kobe shoots 50% for his career holla atcha' boy! What up HOOPS?
Yes, I get the same error for 2-3 days for the main channel page. Some sub-pages of the account work, though. I sent that error reporting thing a few times but got nothing. Maybe there's a real problem with youtube or maybe someone (kobe fans?) didn't like the videos and pressured youtube to try to limit access :) No idea. For the time being, this one seems to work.
Regarding the 50 point games: I recently looked at the defensive rating (points allowed per possession and team's position relative to the league average) of the opponents on Jordan's and Kobe's 50+ games. And the results were as expected. It's not even close. I'm not very good at remembering numbers, I'll post them here so you guys can use it if needed in the future.
By the way, I did this because someone could claim the winning% may not always be a good indicator. For example, the current Suns are a good team but it's not necessarily difficult to score against them and so on.
Jordan's 50+ games ----------------- Against top half: 25 games (64%) Against Top 1: 4 (10%) Against Top 3: 8 games (21%) Against Top 5: 14 games (36%) Against Top 10: 22 games (56%) ---------------------- Against bottom 5: 5 games (13%) Against bottom half : 13 games (33%) "Top half" means; if, for example, the league had 27 teams on that particular year, these are teams rated 1 to 13 in defense. "Top 1" means the best defensive team that year and so on.
Ok, that's it. As expected, the difference is huge. Jordan just didn't bother with bad teams unless there was a specific challenge at the time. If anyone needs it, I have a detailed list with every game.
Yes, I did. I was looking at the 94-95 Knicks for his 55pt game and noticed they were #1 in defense that year. Then thought I should check for his other games. Finished it, then thought, let's check for Kobe's games for comparison. By the way, I noticed that the 54 point Lakers game from 92-93 is missing in nba*com. I don't know how they did that.
they let him come down the floor and jack up shots on them, instead of playing him up the floor when he has the ball in his hands,jordan was a creator with the ball,he didn't just settle for jumpers,especially when he was kobe's age,so no team could stop him,and notice this too starks kobe's 50 and above games come against basically the same teams,i think hoops said it,jordan scored 50 on every organization in the nba at one time or another
Actually no, you can use a stopwatch and use the same two points on the court (say the 3-pt line and the basket) and see how long it takes each of them to go from point A to point B on a drive. That's not subjective.
I agree that it's subjective, but things like point A to point B speed is something that can be measured; thus it's objective. No one I've seen goes from one spot to another faster than '87-'92 Jordan did.
You aren't measuring MJ's speed on the court vs. Kobe's by watching a video. So your viewing of MJ's speed is subjective, and Kobe fans can simply say Kobe is faster. The difference would be microseconds anyway, so it's really tough to tell.
BTW, Jim cleamons said the only area of athleticism KB comes close to with MJ is top running speed. In all other areas like strength, quickness, explosiveness, endurance - MJ is in his own universe. And Cleamons wasn't even referring to a 25 year old MJ - he was referring to a 35 year old version.
lmao at what hoops said, he killed kobe, he said clemons was referring to old man jordan when he compared kobe's athleticism with jordan's athleticism,because we all know we don't speak about jordan and kobe in terms of anything before his first retirement
yeah starks man,we all know why there is such a huge disparity in the quality of kobe's and jordan's 50 point games,it because the poor teams in the league that kobe gets 50- and above on never play consistent defense
Guys, keep setting KB42PAH straight. He banned me from commenting on his videos or communicating with him at all a few months back. He got tired of hearing the truth. :)
You got it bro, you found it. When I get in the zone like that, there's no stopping me! Seriously though, I welcome challenges like that. The guy basically gave up though and resorted to personal attacks, which is when I know he has lost.
The trick with those guys like kb42pah is to tell them what u wanna say in a calm way. U gotta tell them sometimes what they wanna ear, that will work, i've said on one of his vid's that KB is one of the best that have ever played. That's easily true, but did i rank him? Hell no lol. By that he can be anywhere from 15th..to the very last 50th..
KB42PAH is cute. He copies me just like KB copies MJ. The kid is still in college so he's really trying hard to write like an older person too. The good thing about his videos is that the world can see how many free throws and threes KB needs and how visually inferior he is athletically. It's no surprise that he only has a few hits as well since he sounds like a delusional psycho.
another thing too is when he puts up those big scoring games by kobe he can't help but to show kobe's inferior field goal percentages lmao,this moron is only making it worst for kobe,those games should not been seen nor heard
that's because MJ around this time started lifting weights on the off-season. players thought the way to beat MJ was to punish him in the post. he had to prove them wrong.
I think you hit the nail on the head about this fool, hoops. It is quite possibly the worst site I've ever visited. Just a bunch of bile and nonsense for the most part. This person probably doesn't even know how to count to 30.
for instance bill russel is the greatest winner of all time with 11 championship rings,or that wilt chamberlain is the greatest scorer of all time with his many exploits in the arena of scoring and that oscar robinson was the most complete guard of all time because of his many triple doubles.
when you go to the website i asked hoops to look at the guy is comparing jordans accomplishments against guys like wilt chamberlain and bill russel,these dudes are centers,then the loser throws in oscar robinson,all of these guys are legends in their own right,what he's trying to say is that jordan can't be considered the best ever because each one of these players have accomplishments that jordan does not
I know, his logic is completely retarded. He deals in single categories only. What I keep telling him is that you consider EVERYTHING in determining GOAT, not just stats, not just rings, etc.
so if you're jordan and you come into the league where centers and forward run shit and their shots come closer to the rim and they are therfore more efficent than you,and can have a greater impact on the game and you have on your team dudes that can't fuckin score or catch or pass the ball or penterate defenses so that you can keep up with these guys who are more efficent than you what are you supposed to do.
I imagine that guy is a sufferer of MJ's heroics on his home team because other than that, there is no reason to put up such a silly site. I mean, I could put up a 1000 page article to destroy him to smithereens but why would I? Do we need proof that the Sun is hotter than the moon?
Yeah, that guy's a complete douche who will literally just make crap up off the top of his head. All of his arguments are easily refutable though, as you can see.
Yeah, that guy's a complete douche who will literally just make crap up off the top of his head. All of his arguments are easily refutable though, as you can see.
The problem with that guy's page is that he is only seeing one side of the story and isn't focusing on the things the other players HAVEN'T done. Also, you don't compare MJ to a guy named Bill Abdul Chamberlain - that person didn't exist. You compare mano-a-mano. The best article on that is usatoda*com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-06-dupree-team_x*htm (replace * with .)
Oh sure, Merkin on his AirJudden is site is completely one sided, completely biased, and easy to refute. He thinks he is some pseudo intellectual, but doesn't really bring anything difficult to refute to the table.
it was a website with this guy that thought kb > mj. but a guy named Donald wrote comments about mj's numbers & gave well thought out statements, & changed the guy's mind. it reminded me of your comments on youtube
Let's look at the stats shall we? Compare Kobe's stats to Mike's, rookie season all the way up to Kobe's (how many years has he been in now?)present...
Too bad he uses Jamele Hill's article as a reference. This is the same woman who also wrote that Lebron led the league in steals last year and was run out of town a long time ago. Not exactly anything but tabloid sportswriting with no numbers in prove your point.
i've watched her on espn. it's like she's in love with kb. she also said that if Dallas & LA were to trade kb & dirk straight up that Dallas would win a championship.
how in the fuck is this moron going to compare jordan with a center like chamberlain who played against inferior competion,in terms of him being the tallest and strongest player on the court most nights he stepped on it or compare jordan with a guy like russel who played during a time where you could win 11 champioships ,there is now way he would win that much in this era of basketball or in jordans era
what a bastard like him doesn't understand is that jordan was a guard playing in the tallest era in the nba,we all know that centers and forwards by their position and height advantage play closer to the rim they're usually heavier and can bull their way in closer to the rim,and attempt shots that have a higher chance of going in
exactly man wilt couldn't shoot free throws,but the fact reamins,this dude is a center,a center gets easier shots than a guard,so all that scoring chamberlain did had to do with height adavantage and skill,because you have to be skilled to score like that,but if you don't have anyone who can stop you or who is as heavy and strong as you shit you can score all day.and thats what he did,
Hoops, was it you or another user who had compiled that stat which said what % of Jordan's 40+ and 50+ point games came against winning teams, teams above .600 etc.? I remember reading it in the comments for one of your videos.
(airjudden2dottripoddotcom/jordan/indexdothtm) hey hoops tell me what you think of this kids arguments about jordan not being the best ever,he's a piece of work,and he doesn't really make a good argument
Zo, you've missed it, the dude who has that website has been posting under "MerkinMuffly" on one of the main "michael jordan" videos. I pretty much refuted all of his arguments.
hey utfanatic,the thing with this moron merkinmuffly,is he a coward if you say something against bird or you try to argue with him the homo blocks you,i hate dudes like that especially if you're making good and factual points,i didn't know that was his website,since he seems to be obsessed with larry bird being better than jordan.
yeah, I've been reaming the dude on the jordan video for about a week now. He just repeats all the shit from his website and I shoot it all down. Join the fun if you have a few free minutes.
see this loser first tried to attack jordan by coming up with is loses in the playoffs against larry bird,and saying jordan was 6-0 against bird in the playoffs.
Exactly, but obviously Bird's team was much better than Jordan's at the time, so that is irrelevant, especially considering how MJ torched the celtics. I already got him to admit Bird wasn't better than MJ.
Don't worry about kb42pah. I've been setting him straight. Him and the other guy Lakersrule24 or something like that.They think this is the golden era of defense, i sent them a very convincing article about the death of defense. Neither of them could argue with it lol. Instead kb42pah kept sending me his blog so i could read about zones! LOL how biased is that? His own blog..please
you can't do shit but what he did which was play his heart out until he could find guys who complimented what he did which was drive the lane get high percentage shots and then if he's doubled have shooters on the wings to hit wide open jumpers,he didn't have that when he came in
I've actually e-mailed the dude a couple times. He's really arrogant when you try to talk to him about Jordan. He likes twisting your words to make your argument seem foolish. But he did bring up some interesting points about the guys he thinks are better than MJ. And he does consider a top 5 player in the history of the league. He also mentioned that MJ was on par defensively with Joe Dumars.
Actually, MJ was far superior defensively to Dumars. That is shown in stls, blocks #s as well as 1st team all D honors. And the dude has no good arguments at all, I've heard them all and shot them all down
I was talking about my e-mail with him. He also brought up how Russel won 5 titles without guys like Hondo and Cousy and how they went on and beat higher seeded teams on the road in the playoffs in his last 2 seasons. Didn't have much of a response to that. I'm not saying Jordan is not the greatest, I still say that he is, but I do think those points are valid.
Uhhh....no, Rusell always had either Cousy, Havlicek, Heinsohn, Sam Jones on his team, all hall of famers. He always played with at least 2 other hall of famers on his team. Put MJ on his bulls team with 2 other hall of famers his entire career and see how many rings he wins. :)
And that is a perfect example of what the dude does. He gives you limited information while leaving out crucual pieces, and hopes you won't actually research it. Once you actually research the truth, you find out he's full of shit and has no point.
I saw MJ and Dumars match up many a time and watched Dumars play other people as well as MJ. While stats CAN be misleading at times, they are not here. Not only was MJ as fundamentally sound on defense as Dumars, but FAR more athletic, with quicker hands, quicker feet, and stronger in the 90s. He could also make up for mistakes faster and leap higher. Add the huge stat disparity and its obvious Jordan was quite a bit better defensively than Dumars.
Here's how I look at it. Screw the stats, the championships and everything else. What are you left with? Looking at his past games and film and what he was able to do, if he wanted to he could do everything, like grab the critical board, run an offense, score, defend, etc. And he could do it as well and at times better than most players who ever played the game. That's what makes him the greatest.
Ahhh...but here is where the issue comes in. Of what value is it if MJ could do those things, theoretically if they don't translate on the court into superior stats, rings, and accomplishments. I agree that purely subjectively MJ was the best, but it's nice to know that on the objective measures, MJ was also the best as well. If we don't have the objectives, all conversations are a constant series of "he said, he said"
It's neverending really you can't get the complete picture with just stats either. The era in which MJ played and the eras in which Russel, Wilt, and even to some extent Magic and Bird played are so completely different you can't compare stats one to one. The years in which MJ was successful were different when Bird and Magic were dominating. I mean this whole arguement is by nature a constant series of speculation because even the context of certain stats can be made subjective.
You can see the greatness of a number of players in championships and film. That is the same argument Kobe fans always resort to, "watch the film, you can just see he is better than MJ." If you choose that route, it is no win for anyone. Everyone has their own subjective views of who looks best on film.
That's weird for KB fans to say that. Film is the best example of the vast differences between the two which is another reason why MJ is so dominant. That's like saying Rosie is better looking than Jessica Alba because she looks better in photos. What?
Hoops, bear in mind I agree with you. Yet, I'm sure we would all acknowledge that our opinions are colored by our experiences. Kobe fans, having different reference points and expereinces, look at Kobe in the same way we viewed Michael. I have had this discussion with Kobe fans MANY a time, and they will insist that Kobe looks faster, better handles, better turnaround, faster, etc. with me doing the opposite. It's subjective.
Old school fans will tell you to watch video as evidence that Oscar was the greatest, or Wilt. I use video to back up my opinions personally, although I personally agree that, indubitably, video evidence suggests MJ was the GOAT. For many, that just isn't enough to convince them or even sway them. I've had Kobe fans think MJ is WORSE after watching vid of him, if you can believe that!
Now that's just blatant lying on KB fans part (likely 12 years and under) because any adult KB fan wouldn't say that. So, that kind of stuff means nothing to anyone - especially when it's about .02% of the world and probably the same 4 kids with 10 different usernames. Now, I do admit, when I was younger, I looked at people in the past differently but as you get older, you appreciate them just as much as the present. One can only hope this 'selfish' era grows up the same.
And I do want to point out that the 'streetstyle' aspect really colors people's view of the game. Any fool can dance around the court like a hip-hop party on the playground. It's just cheap tricks and visuals and means nothing beyond that. I see 9 year old kids with better 'moves' than AI - doesn't mean they're better moves at all however.
Good question Isiah. I actually know the answer to this, it's a bit of a secret. :) MJ has never averaged 40+ for a CALENDER month, although he has come very close a number of times. However, from MID march to MID april 1987, he averaged 40+ for a month. He actually did it over a 16 game span, more impressive than Kobe doing it over 14 games this past March for instance.
I never said stats give the complete picture. The GOAT is determined by looking at stats, accomplishments, accolades, records, rings, and impact on the game and determining who has the best combination. MJ does IMO. And let's not get carried away about "vast" differences in eras. Basketball is basketball. Naturally, there is no right answer, but the weight of the evidence is on MJ's side. That's why the most reasonable answer to the question, "who is GOAT" is MJ.
If a Kobe fan is telling you to watch film to see that Kobe is better than MJ is an idiot and is only hurting his own argument. I hope people watch film to compare MJ to Kobe, because I think it's pretty apparent who is better.
See, there is the rub. They would say the same thing about you. It becomes purely subjective with no one ever able to get an upper hand in a debate or argument.
Simply watching film can't prove anything because people interpret things in different ways. Kobe fans will tell you watching film of him play proves he is more fundamental and better than MJ. I think they are idiots, but they would think you and I are for saying the same thing about MJ. So it's pointless.
And if all MJ had was video, and didn't have the stats, accomplishments, and rings, he would not be considered the best player ever. You need it all, not just video, not just stats, not just rings, not just records, not just accomplishments, not just impact on the game....you need ALL of it to be GOAT. Kobe comes up woefully short.
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TributeToTesla 7 months ago
this is total bullshit. MJ NEVER pulled this shit off against a GOOD team on the ROAD. all this NIGGER lover HOOPS does is post every MADE shot against garbage teams when MJ is in the confines of his home arena. lets see some road performances, hot shot. KOBE rips shit up on the road, because thats what real KILLERS do. Fuckin con artist.
MrYoyoma33 9 months ago
@MrYoyoma33 i think there was an away game for the lakers against the 76ers.. kobe scored 2 points in 38 minutes of play... he definitely RIPS SHIT UP ON THE ROAD! lol
iverson246 8 months ago
@MrYoyoma33 55 points double nickel. GTFO kid. 63 on boston in the PLAYOFFs GTFO KOBETARD
roll451 8 months ago
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@MrYoyoma33 Damn lol. You must be the girl that Kobe made love to in Colorado.
jagemobe 5 months ago
@MrYoyoma33 KOBE WHO??
SOCRA7TES 5 months ago
MJ made things look so effortless but just remember this. He had TWICE the advantage over his opponents because he not only dominated them physically, he ruled them MENTALLY as well. He is one of the few players I can think of in any sport that simply imposed his will on the other team in a way that you could clearly see made them shrink under the pressure.
RAV52 1 year ago
Hoopsencyclopedia you made a great point in your video description that people should take notice of when comparing Jordan to Kobe. Jordan didn't pile up big points vs. mediocre teams; he scored big against tough opponents when it mattered showing how Jordan wanted to will his team to win at any cost. Kobe scores big points vs. bad teams (81 vs. the Raptors and 61 vs. the Knicks in 2009) Phil said Michael scores big on the enemy's top player to take out their heart, while Kobe chases records.
illinifan512 1 year ago
Jordan this Kobe that, LeWade here Magic there and stats, stats, stats...
Michael Jordan was more fun to watch than any other human is sport on tv so far, if a better guy comes I'll be glad.
FirefighterBobby 1 year ago
@SamuraiSwoosh
lol at you thinkin magic isn't a better passer and playmaker is beyond me...it's like you won't give magic his credit it isn't his fault he played with one of the best centers of all time...magic is not vastly better than bird but besides range magic does everything slightly better except rebounds which both are good at...magic can play multiple positions and makes player better imo why anyone would pick bird over magic is another mystery that alludes me
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@SamuraiSwoosh
sure kareem was as valuable a center of kareem skill is really hard to come by but who won the ring for lakers on his rookie season and was finals mvp in his rookie year? I'll wait lol larry bird has better range shooter but besides that magic is better in every other way
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@SamuraiSwoosh
i know your dumbass not just say isiah thomas and larry bird are better than magic johnson...Magic is top ten best players ever in the nba
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
look at Kobe's physical condition of today, he's getting slower and looking tired !!!!!!!
69points 1 year ago
most effortless 50 point game I've ever seen, even from him
SammySmooth 1 year ago
kobe would be less the athlete he is today if he played back in mj's era he is still struggling to learn what mj was born with A pure knowledge of skills take over any and every game sick or not period
irin1 1 year ago
1:45 after Micheal hits the shot it sounds like presentator-guy (or whatever) sais "Homo"
lol.
dunkje1 2 years ago
Best Mid-range game i've ever seen
WardJu1 2 years ago
1:19
sooo a travel
michaelarmstead 2 years ago
where on earth is that 52 point game vs Denver?
Rodzilla97 3 years ago
i'd also love to see the 52 point game vs the Nuggets. 30 point quarter
Rodzilla97 3 years ago
jordan dominates without three pointers
zopoundsakpase 3 years ago
exactly he hit a couple of threes
ced4484 3 years ago
hey hoops do u have the 52 point game vs the nuggets in the 88-89 season where MJ scores 30points in the 4th
JCR1992 3 years ago
30 points in the 4th quarter? I never heard of that. Hoops do you have it?
jeanrollan 3 years ago
Oh yeah that game is insane
MilesandColtrane 3 years ago
Allen Iverson shoots about the same percentage kobe does with the new rules. That is a joke that Iverson can shoot the same percentage as the supposed great kobe. Kobe is great but he has just now shown me things I saw in Jordan from the beginning. At least kobe is starting to learn how to play the game. Can not put him down for that.He is a very talented player and now that he is playing intelligently I could make a case for him being similar to mj. But that is it.
MANOMANO1969 3 years ago
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the greatest ever since marovich.
hg350 3 years ago
What?!
JCR1992 3 years ago
What?
ForEmily23 3 years ago
"The Greatest ever since Pete Marovich"? You mean Michael is the greatest ever since Magic Johnson.
LALakerFan4Life 3 years ago 4
I think these Kobe lovers should have to state their age when commenting, so we know right away they're talking out their ass. I guarantee you 99% of them never saw a live game of Jordan's career (Wizards don't count).
pheeeel17 4 years ago
More fun with stats. If Kobe hit his next 1300 consecutive shots, his career FG% would still be lower than Jordan's. If he played 75 consecutive games without a turnover, his turnovers/game would still be higher than Jordan's. Jordan has 8 playoff games with 50 or more, Kobe's next will be his first. Jemele Hill is on drugs.
mrmacross 4 years ago 17
kobe actually does have a 50 point game against the suns but i get your point
thegoonieistight 3 years ago
Jordan dominates Kobe in stats. To put things in perspective, if Kobe played the next five seasons averaging 40 ppg (his career high is 35.4), 8 rpg (career high 6.9), 6.6 apg (career high 6), 3.8 steals per game (career high 2.2), and 1.2 blocks per game (career high 1.0), he still would have LOWER career averages than Jordan. In other words, 5 consecutive years of playing out of his mind and beyond anything he's ever done before and he still would have lesser career averages than MJ. Ouch.
mrmacross 4 years ago 12
His jumper was silky smooth. What a joy to watch
blast2blast 4 years ago
whats hand checking ?
23DB69 4 years ago
read about it. it's educational.
ronalabraham 3 years ago
A.I. is a good defender! How the hell can he steal the ball consistently if he is not defending? He is probably not the best defender but certainly he is a good one. A.I. is so underated in defense. They don't appriciate his fucking effort... And y'all know what separate MJ from the rest? He combine stats with reality! Offensive stat, defensive stat, awards, records and championships!!!
goodinEvil 4 years ago
ai is a beast in the passing lanes, he's a damn good on ball defender as well. who said he wasn't?
originalname33 4 years ago
great video
zone379 4 years ago
how many MJ has been the player of the game.
NotSoCoolAfterAll2 4 years ago 2
mj said so himself in an interview that he's never met someone as competitive as him. in this case he didnt even need to try his best to dominate, as he always does to his opponent.
mehoo44 4 years ago 3
kobe shitttttttt
m1283 4 years ago
lol at people saying Kobe is more skilled. Kobe does so many things just to shake his man that it looks like he's working so hard. MJ did things so effortlessly that sometimes it makes him look less skilled than he really is.
uberathlete 4 years ago 10
Only kids say such nonsense so need to take that seriously.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
@uberathlete you said more skilled and he isn't all-around player. Unlike MJ is all-around and more skilled
joelb9 1 year ago
@joelb9 I don't quite understand what you're saying so please clarify. As for me, I think MJ is one of the most skilled , fundamentally sound, and complete players in the history of the game on both ends of the court. He could literally do it all, and with incredible consistency which is a true measure of the completeness and refinement of one's skillset. Not to mention that he dominated in a physically more demanding defensive era.
uberathlete 1 year ago
do you have the 52 point game he had againts Denver? i've read he scored 30 in a quarter in that game.
Rodzilla97 4 years ago
what are you talking about...im just baketball fan.... but kobe is 198 cm or 6.6 like mike 198 cm or 6.6 ....... But Kobe is a little big muscular because his weihht know is 99.8 kg or 220 ... At age of 29 michael was 212 or 96 kg...
andriusssska 4 years ago 2
o and uhhh btw kobe is 1 and half inch taller than jordan standin in at almost 6'8" so its pretty much equal. Jordan a bit more gifted, but kobe almost 2 inches taller which makes a big difference when you want to dunk. Trust me i play ball.
Ncbbball 4 years ago
Don't not reply to the height issue, why do you ask? Kobe is 6'6", he's not taller than Mike, he's not 6'8", if Kobe was 6'8" he would be the same height as T-Mac and everyone can see that T-Mac towers over Kobe? Trust...
MROSlim1 4 years ago
how the hell do you think kobe started playin the way he did, by watching jordan. His friends from italy said that he would watch jordan tapes for hours a day.
Ncbbball 4 years ago 2
MJ was better than Kobe will ever be because: 1) MJ could fly; 2) MJ played better defense; 3) MJ was quicker, faster, stronger...but, with that said, I think Kobe is still more skilled than MJ. He isnt half the athlete that MJ was but he polished his skills by forcing more hours of practice
vip129870 4 years ago
You just stuck your ENTIRE foot in your mouth!!! Read your own response and then ask yourself, "Does that make any sense?" The answer is "H*LL NO!!!", I understand you love Kobe & hey do what you do, but the reality is Kobe wants to be like Mike and that's sad, because Kobe doesn't even know who he is? He's been too busy living in the shadow of another man... When Kobe shoots 50% for his career holla atcha' boy! What up HOOPS?
MROSlim1 4 years ago
@vip129870 MJ didn't have to practice that much cause he was born to be the best ... lol, like Larry Bird said "god in disguise" !!!!
69points 1 year ago
The man makes it look so easy
jaboo82681 4 years ago
Someone already asked for the list, so I might as well post it here. (replace the "*"s with "."s
Kobe's 50+ games and defensive ratings of the opponents:
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Jordan's 50+ games and opponents defensive strength:
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starks23 4 years ago
starks what's up with ur channel? I click on it and it comes as an error..Am i the only one havin this problem?
rrTale 4 years ago
Yes, I get the same error for 2-3 days for the main channel page. Some sub-pages of the account work, though. I sent that error reporting thing a few times but got nothing. Maybe there's a real problem with youtube or maybe someone (kobe fans?) didn't like the videos and pressured youtube to try to limit access :) No idea. For the time being, this one seems to work.
youtube*com/profile_videos?user=starks23
starks23 4 years ago
Yea, I had the same problems.
elabudi3 4 years ago
Regarding the 50 point games: I recently looked at the defensive rating (points allowed per possession and team's position relative to the league average) of the opponents on Jordan's and Kobe's 50+ games. And the results were as expected. It's not even close. I'm not very good at remembering numbers, I'll post them here so you guys can use it if needed in the future.
starks23 4 years ago
By the way, I did this because someone could claim the winning% may not always be a good indicator. For example, the current Suns are a good team but it's not necessarily difficult to score against them and so on.
starks23 4 years ago
starks23 4 years ago
Kobe's 50 point games:
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Against Top half: 9 games (41%)
Against Top 1: 0 games (0%)
Against Top 3: 2 games (9%)
Against Top 5: 2 games (9%)
Against Top 10: 5 games (23%)
Against bottom 5: 6 games (27%)
Against bottom half : 13 games (59%)
starks23 4 years ago
Ok, that's it. As expected, the difference is huge. Jordan just didn't bother with bad teams unless there was a specific challenge at the time. If anyone needs it, I have a detailed list with every game.
starks23 4 years ago
Great numbers Starks23. Did you get these yourself? If so, nice job.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
Yes, I did. I was looking at the 94-95 Knicks for his 55pt game and noticed they were #1 in defense that year. Then thought I should check for his other games. Finished it, then thought, let's check for Kobe's games for comparison. By the way, I noticed that the 54 point Lakers game from 92-93 is missing in nba*com. I don't know how they did that.
nba*com/jordan/list_50games.html
starks23 4 years ago
Starks23 - what happened to your profile page. It shows up as error. I posted the MJ 44, Pip 40 vid in English.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
A correction: Jordan against TOP HALF is 14 games (67%).
Jordan against Top 10 is 23 games (59&). That's the Wizards vs. Hornets game at age 40. Hornets were 9th out of 29 in defense that year.
starks23 4 years ago
they let him come down the floor and jack up shots on them, instead of playing him up the floor when he has the ball in his hands,jordan was a creator with the ball,he didn't just settle for jumpers,especially when he was kobe's age,so no team could stop him,and notice this too starks kobe's 50 and above games come against basically the same teams,i think hoops said it,jordan scored 50 on every organization in the nba at one time or another
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
Actually no, you can use a stopwatch and use the same two points on the court (say the 3-pt line and the basket) and see how long it takes each of them to go from point A to point B on a drive. That's not subjective.
jordanlover23 4 years ago
I agree that it's subjective, but things like point A to point B speed is something that can be measured; thus it's objective. No one I've seen goes from one spot to another faster than '87-'92 Jordan did.
jordanlover23 4 years ago
You aren't measuring MJ's speed on the court vs. Kobe's by watching a video. So your viewing of MJ's speed is subjective, and Kobe fans can simply say Kobe is faster. The difference would be microseconds anyway, so it's really tough to tell.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
BTW, Jim cleamons said the only area of athleticism KB comes close to with MJ is top running speed. In all other areas like strength, quickness, explosiveness, endurance - MJ is in his own universe. And Cleamons wasn't even referring to a 25 year old MJ - he was referring to a 35 year old version.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
lmao at what hoops said, he killed kobe, he said clemons was referring to old man jordan when he compared kobe's athleticism with jordan's athleticism,because we all know we don't speak about jordan and kobe in terms of anything before his first retirement
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
yeah starks man,we all know why there is such a huge disparity in the quality of kobe's and jordan's 50 point games,it because the poor teams in the league that kobe gets 50- and above on never play consistent defense
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
WHAAAAAAAT??? LMAO!!!! Cricket-Cricket???
MROSlim1 4 years ago
Hoops, yep, I know this. That quote might go further to convincing some Kobe fans than vids actually and unfortunately!
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
what happened to nbaclassics
speedy9313 4 years ago
rrTale, could you please send me that article as well? Thanks.
sfhguibnbhq 4 years ago
another great mj video hoops, hey do you happen to have a game from indiana where jordan and pippen both scores 40 each
LEBONGTHOM 4 years ago
Hoops didnt put up this game. Search for starks23, he has that game. Hope u dont mind the publicity Hoops.
rrTale 4 years ago
Guys, keep setting KB42PAH straight. He banned me from commenting on his videos or communicating with him at all a few months back. He got tired of hearing the truth. :)
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
utfanatic2000, i just read ALL of your posts on that jordan video "what is love". you were on fire. you know your stuff
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
You got it bro, you found it. When I get in the zone like that, there's no stopping me! Seriously though, I welcome challenges like that. The guy basically gave up though and resorted to personal attacks, which is when I know he has lost.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
The trick with those guys like kb42pah is to tell them what u wanna say in a calm way. U gotta tell them sometimes what they wanna ear, that will work, i've said on one of his vid's that KB is one of the best that have ever played. That's easily true, but did i rank him? Hell no lol. By that he can be anywhere from 15th..to the very last 50th..
rrTale 4 years ago
KB42PAH is cute. He copies me just like KB copies MJ. The kid is still in college so he's really trying hard to write like an older person too. The good thing about his videos is that the world can see how many free throws and threes KB needs and how visually inferior he is athletically. It's no surprise that he only has a few hits as well since he sounds like a delusional psycho.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
another thing too is when he puts up those big scoring games by kobe he can't help but to show kobe's inferior field goal percentages lmao,this moron is only making it worst for kobe,those games should not been seen nor heard
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
Has anyone noticed Jordan looks bigger not fatter but bigger in the 90's
speedy9313 4 years ago
that's because MJ around this time started lifting weights on the off-season. players thought the way to beat MJ was to punish him in the post. he had to prove them wrong.
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
I think you hit the nail on the head about this fool, hoops. It is quite possibly the worst site I've ever visited. Just a bunch of bile and nonsense for the most part. This person probably doesn't even know how to count to 30.
sfhguibnbhq 4 years ago
50+ games against teams with 57+ wins:
Kobe 1 of 22 = 4.5%
Jordan 8 of 39 = 20.5%
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Great stuff my friend. Great, great stuff.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
see the problem with a punk like this is he tries to attack jordan by bringing in these guys who he never played against in the first place.
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
50+ games against teams with 53+ wins:
Kobe- 3 of 22 = 13.6%
MJ- 12 of 39 = 30.7%
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
for instance bill russel is the greatest winner of all time with 11 championship rings,or that wilt chamberlain is the greatest scorer of all time with his many exploits in the arena of scoring and that oscar robinson was the most complete guard of all time because of his many triple doubles.
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
50+ pt games against teams with 49 or more wins: Kobe-6 of 22, 27%
MJ-17 of 39, 44%
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
when you go to the website i asked hoops to look at the guy is comparing jordans accomplishments against guys like wilt chamberlain and bill russel,these dudes are centers,then the loser throws in oscar robinson,all of these guys are legends in their own right,what he's trying to say is that jordan can't be considered the best ever because each one of these players have accomplishments that jordan does not
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
I know, his logic is completely retarded. He deals in single categories only. What I keep telling him is that you consider EVERYTHING in determining GOAT, not just stats, not just rings, etc.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
so if you're jordan and you come into the league where centers and forward run shit and their shots come closer to the rim and they are therfore more efficent than you,and can have a greater impact on the game and you have on your team dudes that can't fuckin score or catch or pass the ball or penterate defenses so that you can keep up with these guys who are more efficent than you what are you supposed to do.
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
I imagine that guy is a sufferer of MJ's heroics on his home team because other than that, there is no reason to put up such a silly site. I mean, I could put up a 1000 page article to destroy him to smithereens but why would I? Do we need proof that the Sun is hotter than the moon?
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
lol utfanatic2000, that's was quite a lengthy argument you had with Muffly. I like how he made up quotes, that was just over the top.
elabudi3 4 years ago
Yeah, that guy's a complete douche who will literally just make crap up off the top of his head. All of his arguments are easily refutable though, as you can see.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Yeah, that guy's a complete douche who will literally just make crap up off the top of his head. All of his arguments are easily refutable though, as you can see.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
The problem with that guy's page is that he is only seeing one side of the story and isn't focusing on the things the other players HAVEN'T done. Also, you don't compare MJ to a guy named Bill Abdul Chamberlain - that person didn't exist. You compare mano-a-mano. The best article on that is usatoda*com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-06-dupree-team_x*htm (replace * with .)
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
The site is no longer available..Too bad i really wanted to see it
rrTale 4 years ago
Oh sure, Merkin on his AirJudden is site is completely one sided, completely biased, and easy to refute. He thinks he is some pseudo intellectual, but doesn't really bring anything difficult to refute to the table.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
utfanatic2000, is your name Donald???
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
lol, no, why?
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
it was a website with this guy that thought kb > mj. but a guy named Donald wrote comments about mj's numbers & gave well thought out statements, & changed the guy's mind. it reminded me of your comments on youtube
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
Good deal, I'm glad there are more out there, like us, spreading the truth! Keep up the good work Isaiah!
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Let's look at the stats shall we? Compare Kobe's stats to Mike's, rookie season all the way up to Kobe's (how many years has he been in now?)present...
The proof is in the pudding..
MROSlim1 4 years ago
the link is ecarson*wordpress*com/2007/03/29/is-kobe-bryant-better-than-michael-jordan/
(replace * with .)
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
Too bad he uses Jamele Hill's article as a reference. This is the same woman who also wrote that Lebron led the league in steals last year and was run out of town a long time ago. Not exactly anything but tabloid sportswriting with no numbers in prove your point.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
i've watched her on espn. it's like she's in love with kb. she also said that if Dallas & LA were to trade kb & dirk straight up that Dallas would win a championship.
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
Jemele Hill has zero credibility.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
tell me about it!!!!!!!!
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
Yeah sfhquibnbhq, that'd be appreciated if you could post that.
jordanlover23 4 years ago
how in the fuck is this moron going to compare jordan with a center like chamberlain who played against inferior competion,in terms of him being the tallest and strongest player on the court most nights he stepped on it or compare jordan with a guy like russel who played during a time where you could win 11 champioships ,there is now way he would win that much in this era of basketball or in jordans era
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
He says unsubstantiated shit like Wilt could dunk his free throws
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
what a bastard like him doesn't understand is that jordan was a guard playing in the tallest era in the nba,we all know that centers and forwards by their position and height advantage play closer to the rim they're usually heavier and can bull their way in closer to the rim,and attempt shots that have a higher chance of going in
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
And as far as Wilt goes, he had a fatal flaw, a killer weakness: FT shooting. MJ had no weaknesses.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
exactly man wilt couldn't shoot free throws,but the fact reamins,this dude is a center,a center gets easier shots than a guard,so all that scoring chamberlain did had to do with height adavantage and skill,because you have to be skilled to score like that,but if you don't have anyone who can stop you or who is as heavy and strong as you shit you can score all day.and thats what he did,
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
Wilt had greater weaknesses than free throws. His play fell dramatically in the post season. He also aged poorly. I am a big Wilt fan by the way.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
It was probably me actually. I can get you that info if you need it.
sfhguibnbhq 4 years ago
Awesome. Thanks. :)
jordanlover23 4 years ago
Hoops, was it you or another user who had compiled that stat which said what % of Jordan's 40+ and 50+ point games came against winning teams, teams above .600 etc.? I remember reading it in the comments for one of your videos.
jordanlover23 4 years ago
It might have been me. 73% of MJ's games over 50pts came against winning teams.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
(airjudden2dottripoddotcom/jordan/indexdothtm) hey hoops tell me what you think of this kids arguments about jordan not being the best ever,he's a piece of work,and he doesn't really make a good argument
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
Zo, you've missed it, the dude who has that website has been posting under "MerkinMuffly" on one of the main "michael jordan" videos. I pretty much refuted all of his arguments.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
hey utfanatic,the thing with this moron merkinmuffly,is he a coward if you say something against bird or you try to argue with him the homo blocks you,i hate dudes like that especially if you're making good and factual points,i didn't know that was his website,since he seems to be obsessed with larry bird being better than jordan.
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
yeah, I've been reaming the dude on the jordan video for about a week now. He just repeats all the shit from his website and I shoot it all down. Join the fun if you have a few free minutes.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
can't man the fag blocked me,he does it to anyone who disagrees with him just like that kid kb42pah,other nut job
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
no no, not on HIS video, he comes to Jordan's vids and starts arguing. Here's the link: w w w dot youtube dot com/watch?v=Q3tFagQbBX4
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
see this loser first tried to attack jordan by coming up with is loses in the playoffs against larry bird,and saying jordan was 6-0 against bird in the playoffs.
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
Exactly, but obviously Bird's team was much better than Jordan's at the time, so that is irrelevant, especially considering how MJ torched the celtics. I already got him to admit Bird wasn't better than MJ.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Don't worry about kb42pah. I've been setting him straight. Him and the other guy Lakersrule24 or something like that.They think this is the golden era of defense, i sent them a very convincing article about the death of defense. Neither of them could argue with it lol. Instead kb42pah kept sending me his blog so i could read about zones! LOL how biased is that? His own blog..please
rrTale 4 years ago
you can't do shit but what he did which was play his heart out until he could find guys who complimented what he did which was drive the lane get high percentage shots and then if he's doubled have shooters on the wings to hit wide open jumpers,he didn't have that when he came in
zopoundsakpase 4 years ago
where did u argue????
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
On one of the main "Michael Jordan vids" Loong argument thread
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I read that a long time ago. Funny stuff and probably a joke.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
I've actually e-mailed the dude a couple times. He's really arrogant when you try to talk to him about Jordan. He likes twisting your words to make your argument seem foolish. But he did bring up some interesting points about the guys he thinks are better than MJ. And he does consider a top 5 player in the history of the league. He also mentioned that MJ was on par defensively with Joe Dumars.
bobo0383 4 years ago
Actually, MJ was far superior defensively to Dumars. That is shown in stls, blocks #s as well as 1st team all D honors. And the dude has no good arguments at all, I've heard them all and shot them all down
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I was talking about my e-mail with him. He also brought up how Russel won 5 titles without guys like Hondo and Cousy and how they went on and beat higher seeded teams on the road in the playoffs in his last 2 seasons. Didn't have much of a response to that. I'm not saying Jordan is not the greatest, I still say that he is, but I do think those points are valid.
bobo0383 4 years ago
Uhhh....no, Rusell always had either Cousy, Havlicek, Heinsohn, Sam Jones on his team, all hall of famers. He always played with at least 2 other hall of famers on his team. Put MJ on his bulls team with 2 other hall of famers his entire career and see how many rings he wins. :)
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
And that is a perfect example of what the dude does. He gives you limited information while leaving out crucual pieces, and hopes you won't actually research it. Once you actually research the truth, you find out he's full of shit and has no point.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I don't think he was far superior. Stats can be misleading at times. I think MJ an Dumars are 1 and 1A when it comes to defensive guards of all time.
bobo0383 4 years ago
I saw MJ and Dumars match up many a time and watched Dumars play other people as well as MJ. While stats CAN be misleading at times, they are not here. Not only was MJ as fundamentally sound on defense as Dumars, but FAR more athletic, with quicker hands, quicker feet, and stronger in the 90s. He could also make up for mistakes faster and leap higher. Add the huge stat disparity and its obvious Jordan was quite a bit better defensively than Dumars.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Here's how I look at it. Screw the stats, the championships and everything else. What are you left with? Looking at his past games and film and what he was able to do, if he wanted to he could do everything, like grab the critical board, run an offense, score, defend, etc. And he could do it as well and at times better than most players who ever played the game. That's what makes him the greatest.
bobo0383 4 years ago
Ahhh...but here is where the issue comes in. Of what value is it if MJ could do those things, theoretically if they don't translate on the court into superior stats, rings, and accomplishments. I agree that purely subjectively MJ was the best, but it's nice to know that on the objective measures, MJ was also the best as well. If we don't have the objectives, all conversations are a constant series of "he said, he said"
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
It's neverending really you can't get the complete picture with just stats either. The era in which MJ played and the eras in which Russel, Wilt, and even to some extent Magic and Bird played are so completely different you can't compare stats one to one. The years in which MJ was successful were different when Bird and Magic were dominating. I mean this whole arguement is by nature a constant series of speculation because even the context of certain stats can be made subjective.
bobo0383 4 years ago
But the fact that you can see his greatness in film and in championships won speaks volumes for Jordan.
bobo0383 4 years ago
You can see the greatness of a number of players in championships and film. That is the same argument Kobe fans always resort to, "watch the film, you can just see he is better than MJ." If you choose that route, it is no win for anyone. Everyone has their own subjective views of who looks best on film.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
That's weird for KB fans to say that. Film is the best example of the vast differences between the two which is another reason why MJ is so dominant. That's like saying Rosie is better looking than Jessica Alba because she looks better in photos. What?
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
Hoops, bear in mind I agree with you. Yet, I'm sure we would all acknowledge that our opinions are colored by our experiences. Kobe fans, having different reference points and expereinces, look at Kobe in the same way we viewed Michael. I have had this discussion with Kobe fans MANY a time, and they will insist that Kobe looks faster, better handles, better turnaround, faster, etc. with me doing the opposite. It's subjective.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Old school fans will tell you to watch video as evidence that Oscar was the greatest, or Wilt. I use video to back up my opinions personally, although I personally agree that, indubitably, video evidence suggests MJ was the GOAT. For many, that just isn't enough to convince them or even sway them. I've had Kobe fans think MJ is WORSE after watching vid of him, if you can believe that!
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Now that's just blatant lying on KB fans part (likely 12 years and under) because any adult KB fan wouldn't say that. So, that kind of stuff means nothing to anyone - especially when it's about .02% of the world and probably the same 4 kids with 10 different usernames. Now, I do admit, when I was younger, I looked at people in the past differently but as you get older, you appreciate them just as much as the present. One can only hope this 'selfish' era grows up the same.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
And I do want to point out that the 'streetstyle' aspect really colors people's view of the game. Any fool can dance around the court like a hip-hop party on the playground. It's just cheap tricks and visuals and means nothing beyond that. I see 9 year old kids with better 'moves' than AI - doesn't mean they're better moves at all however.
hoopsencyclopedia 4 years ago
Agreed, as I said, hope for more...expect less. :)
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
utfanatic2000, has mj ever averaged 40+ in a month in his nba career??? i'm trying to look this info up.
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
Good question Isiah. I actually know the answer to this, it's a bit of a secret. :) MJ has never averaged 40+ for a CALENDER month, although he has come very close a number of times. However, from MID march to MID april 1987, he averaged 40+ for a month. He actually did it over a 16 game span, more impressive than Kobe doing it over 14 games this past March for instance.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
thanks
isaiahb2000 4 years ago
I never said stats give the complete picture. The GOAT is determined by looking at stats, accomplishments, accolades, records, rings, and impact on the game and determining who has the best combination. MJ does IMO. And let's not get carried away about "vast" differences in eras. Basketball is basketball. Naturally, there is no right answer, but the weight of the evidence is on MJ's side. That's why the most reasonable answer to the question, "who is GOAT" is MJ.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
If a Kobe fan is telling you to watch film to see that Kobe is better than MJ is an idiot and is only hurting his own argument. I hope people watch film to compare MJ to Kobe, because I think it's pretty apparent who is better.
bobo0383 4 years ago
See, there is the rub. They would say the same thing about you. It becomes purely subjective with no one ever able to get an upper hand in a debate or argument.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Simply watching film can't prove anything because people interpret things in different ways. Kobe fans will tell you watching film of him play proves he is more fundamental and better than MJ. I think they are idiots, but they would think you and I are for saying the same thing about MJ. So it's pointless.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
And if all MJ had was video, and didn't have the stats, accomplishments, and rings, he would not be considered the best player ever. You need it all, not just video, not just stats, not just rings, not just records, not just accomplishments, not just impact on the game....you need ALL of it to be GOAT. Kobe comes up woefully short.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I understand what you're saying. I guess I expect more from people.
bobo0383 4 years ago
Hope for more while expecting less. :)
utfanatic2000 4 years ago