Master's Voice (Displace Image Crew)

[Devestato72]

ill

[scottwatzz]

cccccut killer

[JohnnyTrotz]

wow, that was impressing.

[Djratbeat]

nice cut!!

[memhwa]

Not intending to hate on any1, i just gotta say it - the typical argument of "complexity without the groove" is used most often by ppl who are unable to implement technical stuff in their music.

Sure, its all bout the groove, BUT - without technical stuff we still would be playin' delta blues - its not complex, and its gotta a whole lotta soul (peace to Son House!)

[memhwa]

@eepdrol: You seem not to play any musical instrument. FYI, jazz is very complex on its technical and formal side. Just consider the basis of jazz harmonics, or even better - the manual skill it takes. Look at Pat Martino for instance - he plays fast, his melodies are complicated, yet i don't see anyone bitchin about no soul in his music.

Turntablism did develop a lot since its beginnigs, but in comparison to the complexity od jazz or classical music it relativly simple

[mynumberonehat]

no you cant even compare turntablism to jazz or classical music, but if you could i'd say turntablism is much more complicated.

[memhwa]

Well good luck with it then.

I fail to see the reason why on earth shouldnt we compare tt to classical music?

[Deejayjskillz]

dude ALL MUSIC can be compared cus its ALL MUSIC and potetialy in the righ hands any music could be recreated using a set of turtables

[Deejayjskillz]

think of it like this most instruments feel natural to play because they were designed to be instruments where a set of turntables wasnt intented be used how it is and cus of this it dosnt feel natural and there are a seemingly infinate amount of styles and techniques so its a lot more complex

[tompasquill]

What a dick, your so short minded, I bet the first thing someone beat on to a rhythm wasnt meant to be a drum, the first thing someone strum wasnt meant to be a guitar, but they evolved into what we see today. No music is any simpler than any other type, sometimes simplicity is the technicality to a genre of music. But at the same time you really cant compare classical music to turntablism as they are both totally different, both art in an audio form, but the similarities end there.

[eepdrol]

Since your handle is 'jazzism', what do you know about jazz? Any jazz musician will know, it's all about the groove. Complexity with no groove doesnt mean anything. Ive been scratching for 10 years, Ive been thru it all. It takes more skills to make seemingly 'simple' things sound good. Boy, you have no idea...

[ElFuego121]

true dat

[eepdrol]

Im not gonna waste my time anymore. Do what you have to do.

[eepdrol]

Im not saying, anything American is good. Stay on topic. Break records went out of style in the 90s. Who still buys break records. I make my own beats or scratch to 'real' music. Try that. It's much harder than scratching to same old beats in same bpm, made just for scratching. Try scratching to real music and make it sound musical. Music is not about masturbating on the fader.

[bwizzy]

i still buy break records

[tompasquill]

Yeah and you cant obviously cant bust anything harder than a baby scratch.

[deepaintpish]

Dude youre on the verge of being too good my man :-)

[MasRafaDj]

eppdrol is quite right..I think scratch has to make sense of music with the greatest possible skill and technique like any musical instrument,scratch has to walk on the beat.we need to have music in the fingers rather than speed and technique.the best pianist is not the fastest and technician.i think that is exactly...turntable is a musical instrument.this is my humble opinion. I think you're good scratcher,respect.

sorry for my english,i'm spanish.

[jazzism]

OF COURSE !But hey ?!

You can't hear music in this freestyle ? You think that MV is only fast and technical ? You don't detect his unique phrasing and the amount of flowish moves together with some serious significant techniques ? The results of the ttablist battle should convince me that it's better to do well known techs with no variation like millions of skratchers on earth, rather than do something unique ?(but based on the well known techs)

(no offence on LigOne here, he deserved his win)

[eepdrol]

I already made my point and woont go any further. On the last note, IF YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT FUNK IS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH I TRY, YOU WONT GET IT.

[jazzism]

I know what 'funk' is cuz trust me or not, I'm feeling it, but just for curiosity I wanted to know the american definition of funky skratching because that's kinda like 'curtain' to hide behind. But yes, that's pointless... hopefully we got different statements but we feel the same sometimes

[MasRafaDj]

yes! yes!I think that Ligone has undoubtedly been the champion of the battle,no doubt!! and I think you are also a good scratcher..

but sometimes I see scratchers forget that the musical part and only seek tricks fast ...

Ligone has music in his fingers,no doubt!!just give my opinion on my way to see the scratch,sometimes it's better to run more slowly but that the music walk on the beat.but is not the case with the winners of this battle, no doubt!!respect

[eepdrol]

skill is prerequisite. all skill and no funk is nothing

[jazzism]

I won't convince you but, what do you mean by saying 'funk' ? that head-nodding rythm with repeating musical patterns ? add something more technical and the result is european funk ;) (just playing cuz europe and US will probably never reach consensus on this field)

[eepdrol]

Oh the irony. Im not hating on you. Im trying to offer some insight, but you obviously react way to defensive.

[eepdrol]

Scratching is not a sport. Get that straight.

[jazzism]

with no insertion of challenge, pure freestyle skratchinng wouldn't be at its stage right now.

[eepdrol]

If you dont understand me and think I'm close minded, you're just not mature enough to understand. Dont front on the realness.

[jazzism]

I don't say that you're close minded but I'm habituated to the fact that american turntablism is still based on achievements of guys like ned hods, D, Q, merg, a-trizzie etc. with nothing new coming up from other djs because they still live in the scheme of so called funky skratching and they haven't pushed things forward for ages. The realness right now, is the fact that everything new and revolutionary comes out from Europe, in terms of skratching, juggling, producing, drumming etc. etc.

[eepdrol]

You 'think' theyre doing something new, but theyre not.

[jazzism]

If you were right, I'd buy US breaks right now, but I'm not, cuz I'm buying Le Jad stuff for example... and I'm not doing this in order to 'continental patriotism' ;)

[eepdrol]

Turntabling came to a point where, technicality has been explored enough to not care about trying to do the most complex shit. If you know music, miles davis developed his style from trying to break away from complex bebop sound. Nobody would argue that his music is inferior, because he wasnt hitting fast notes like 'trane. If you want to make music, expand your mind, not your muscle memory and speed.

[jazzism]

Of course we could stop right now and focus on expanding vison of music instead of visions of tools that create this music. I agree on that point. But please, leave alone those guys who really enjoy the process of creating complex stuff, executing really hard techniques on serious speed. One day everyone starts to create his own sound but some people will do that with usage of basic, musical moves, some will have much bigger arsenal and they will be able to create great music too I guess

[eepdrol]

You just dont know yet. You can't keep adding names for a scratch. Real musicians dont dwell on naming techniques. Trust me. Youre not there yet.

[jazzism]

You think way too trivial on this point, because it's not about naming skratches, it's not that simple, It's about creating something that gives us never-heard-before sound... but I bet you know what I mean, but you just simplify it like I did

[eepdrol]

It's the mindset. Not 'skills'. I still havent seen anybody from euro break out from the battle mentality. If you think coming up with 'new' scratches is taking it further, you still dont understand it. Innovative thinking brings new styles, not trying to figure out what the next hard shit is. If you really understand music, you know what I'm talking about. I dont need to prove anything. Im just pointing out the obvious.

[jazzism]

For me it's 60/40 - mindset/skills...

But I do understand your point here, trust me, but personally, I'm still in love with technicality and maybe that's why I will never be an outstanding, true musician in your meaning of the term 'musician' but I bet some people will still appreciate things that we do...

and have you checked BNN, C2C, Tigerstyle, Red, Tay One, Mr Brown and other guys who are top notch euro turntable musicians ?

[eepdrol]

i know about all of them. theyre not doing anything new.

[jazzism]

Maybe not 'new' in the strict meaning of 'new' but they surely do things better, and if somebody is doing sth better, it's consider 'new' ;)

[DJNoizeUK]

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u serious

[cucone]

eiii jazzimmm nice cuts, big style.

=)

[eepdrol]

same old no funk robotic spastic ish

[jazzism]

ahaha... yeahh same old no-skill american frustration style :)

[eepdrol]

all the jugglers wanna be iemerge and scratchers wanna be toadstyle. face it. its the truth. rehashed unoriginal style. hate me now.

[eepdrol]

You're gonna take a jab about me being american? We invented this shit. I dont see anything coming out of poland. The latest polka craze is hitting the streets!

[twin25]

Sorry jazz, but there is some truth in what he is saying.

[jazzism]

On the one hand, I can't deny that few of US pros are the architects of this game, but on the other hand I'm sick of people who're just hiding behind the reputation of those architects, with people who are just a bunch of narrow-minded djs, trying to be funky as D-styles, with no significant style, with nothing freshh at all (I'm not offending you, just talking 'in general').

[jazzism]

Look at the top european skratchers - you will see some influence of Toad, Ric, D and so on, but ONLY the influence cuz everybody is going further, everybody got his own moves, distinguishable style, never-heard-before techniques...

Look at master's voice... kid is 19 and has been skratching for 3 years... show me somebody with similar style and fresher techniques... I wish you luck...

@eepdrol: 'polka' is from czech republic

[twin25]

Allright bro I guess I can feel where your coming from. On a side note do you know what happened to Uglybluesname...UB40...UglyBon­es???

[jazzism]

as far as I know, he's studying hard and he dosen't skratch that often...

if you're logged at digital-vertigo board, you'll find some info about it

[djbordallodmc]

exactly.

[djbordallodmc]

american old school closed minded.

[twin25]

stay in spain.

[twin25]

Your trying to get some ish started. If you want to be really real. Every European act coming out is using the same soft synths over double timed beats. With hand gestures to compliment their routine.

[DJLAZYASS]

Nice!

[BntheDj]

Freshhh StyLe!!!!!!

[krotki9]

I saw his DIC :D , Hot like hot chocolate !!!!

[beatbrain]

that beat is skit skat

[jazzism]

that's my bwoy ! ;D