Abortion is Murder and Miscarriage is Manslaughter

[verrrr1]

wow this guy raised some dumb points

[LadyDoloris]

My little boy passed away in my womb. I did everything I possibly could've done to help him survive... I wasn't eating fish I was recommended not to eat. I slept when I was tired, ate when I was just a little hungry, tried to calm down in stressed situations. And I definitely didn't drink or smoke. And also, I took folic acid pills to prevent birth defects. Still my little boy didn't survive. He is in heaven now, I know so... I saw him in a dream. I am not a murderer, and I am against abortion.

[mm21909]

Miscarriages happen most of the time because of chromosomal abnormalities. It's not the woman's fault.

[cheddar1100]

Women don't cause or purposely have a miscarriage.In the bible it says that sin was made when Adam ate from the tree of the knowledge of good a evil.So if you think about it it's not Gods fault babies die it's our fault for falling to sin.Our own sin has caused us our own pain. It all says it in the Bible.And you can't just tell me God doesn't exist.JUST LOOK ADOUND YOU!

[lanainfla]

Let's just say you are a friggen weirdo

[SexySadie98506]

This is incredibly cold-hearted. I don't think I've ever seen anything so misogynistic. Most miscarriages are no one's FAULT. And what about the ones that are the FATHER's fault, because he has a defective gene? Has the father committed manslaughter in that case?

[CupisHomines]

I would say "No". Intention has a lot to do with guilt in many cases. There's a difference between first and second degree murder. Manslaughter, however, I feel, is merely sugarcoating the event. Same as assault w/a weapon. If you have a weapon, then you intend to kill someone. Self-defense, however, is self-defense.

[adambomb30]

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:29

And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. -- Jeremiah 19:9

[adambomb30]

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it. -- Proverbs 30:17

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering.... And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- Genesis 22:2,10

[adambomb30]

god hates children

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. -- Psalm 137:9

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

The LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon.... And there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. -- Exodus 12:29-30

[twofreinds]

miscarriages happen because god gave man free will and we choose to sin therefore sin entered earth and that is why there is all these bad things.  also aithiest dont believe in god so if you are right what happens when we die? nothing right but what if god is real and you are wrong then when you die you spend eternity in hell. so why even risk that?

[juandeldiablo696]

very smart dude

[D0NMaNNY]

someone once said "everyone that supported slavary was never a slave and everyone who supports abortion was born"

[Gamerpanda]

You, sir, have made my quote list.

If god plans miscarriages, isn't he an abortionist? BRILLIANT!

Also, the title of the video is very quotable. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[ShaggyTheClown17]

"God planned miscarriges" no, sorry, he didn't, sorry to burst your bubble, God in fact knew things like this would happen and he did make it possible for it to, but he did not cause it or make it happen in any way, we did when we brought sin and death into the world.

I hope I cleared that up for you, try to learn that you can't just blame God for all your problems dude, it solves nothing.

[ShaggyTheClown17]

Isn't a miscarige either a natural incident or caused by an "accident"?

Anyway I'd like to throw this thing under the bus, some women like to say male masterbation is murder if abortion is murder, obviously that is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen.

Anyway you can badmouth God all you want, i'm sure he couldn't care less 8P

[WarriorDieterEileen]

It boils down to Gods Will Vs Our Will.....end off

[irishcatholicgirlie]

How can a miscarriage be manslaughter? Pregnant women don't cause themselves to miscarry.

[Frances3654]

err wrong, the "baby" was in their hands, under their protection

[emmac246]

Some people have miscarriages because the woman or the man has a chromosome abnormality they were born with, so they have no control over the miscarriages, as it is genetic.

[Frances3654]

so, it can still be considered manslaughter

[emmac246]

Bullshit. How can a man or woman who is born with a genetic disorder that causes miscarriages, be held accountable for the miscarriage? You obviously haven't been in that situation to pass comment on it.

[Frances3654]

why shouldt they be held accountable? dont give my the genetic disorder nonsense, you can say the same for murderers

[DoctorMurky]

You don't have to believe in contradictions to understand that abortion is murder. No, of course there is no God that planned all these miscarriages. Women wouldn't be punished in an anti-abortion society unless they were the ones performing the abortions. A miscarriage is not intentional while an abortion is. Why is it that most atheists are wrong on everything?

[Frances3654]

if

abortion=murder

then

miscarrige=involuntary manslaughter.

[waddleduckie1]

What if a baby kills his own mother prior to giving birth? Or if a mother who had an illness like a stroke when carrying a full term baby prior to delivery and is on life support, what do you call this? The purpose of me including this comment is to see how irrational it is to link abortion to murder when infanticide should be correctly applied to murder of an infant. Abortion of a fetus should be applied as aborting before life is presented.

[JTTNMinistries]

Omniscience does not equal a "blueprint" view of history.

[IHatePeopleDontTalk]

if you christians are so against fucking murder try and explain the holy war to me without sounding like an arsehole

[JTTNMinistries]

Sure. It's wrong.

Have a nice day.

[KathrynZilla]

Ummm. FYI. A baby, in whatever stage during pregnancy, is a parasite.

[JTTNMinistries]

I guess you made a good one!

[Kevinrk1972]

Was a miscarriage manslaughter before abortion was legal?

[sashajw1234]

Let me further the videos question if I can. THe 10 commandments are suppose to be followed by the religious to the letter. Considering "Thou shalt not kill". Why then have some abortion doctors been killed in the name of religion? Also, why is relgion considered just and moral if such a strong belief in it can be used to justify the murder of fellow man? Important to note its not just any belief. It is a belief without evidence and a belief that defies reason.

[PhreerideErik]

solution: god is an illegal abortionist and therefore we must send him to prison.

k bye

[kurd55]

Great! Heh, heh.

[mark727111]

and god didnt create the miscarriage he created death and its beacuse of medical problems which all people have many different types! god doesnt choose who we have children with and what genetic codes we get! so its random if all babys lived that would be great but there is death in any aspect of life! its still sad but is chosen to be put to death and dies naturally not ripped apart or dissolved or even vaccumed out! it just dies so rethink your logic! choice vs. nature death vs.thechoiceTOkill

[MyOverflow]

If someone accidentally kills someone, they're charged with manslaughter. Does that mean a miscarriage, which is an accidental death of a fetus, should be manslaughter?

If abortion is murder, then that would mean, under the same laws, miscarriage would be manslaughter. If Abortion = murder (deliberate death), then miscarriage = involuntary manslaughter (accidental death).

It's simple logic.

[MyOverflow]

(continued from last comment)

I think I'd rather have a child put into adoption (into a GOOD family) rather than aborted, but I'd say abortion should still be a viable option if they really need to. Under most circumstances, I'd rather not see an abortion, but it shouldn't be classed as murder.

[mark727111]

abortion is murder and its a choice miscarriages are natural like old people hitting the bucket and if you do something to kill a baby its not a miscarriage its murder! and just because the government says its okay and doesnt punish them doesnt make it so! and god doesnt have everything planned we have free will if we didnt we would be puppets and wouldnt have choice you couldnt say i dont believe in god because he would have planned what you said do you thibk he would want you to say that?

[thaprecepta]

well wouldnt an all powerful god meaning one who created the universe and all knowning god meaning he knows everything, have created a universe with one possible outcome? if he knows everything and has created everything that means there is no free will because he knows exactly what will happen and no matter what you do it is according to his plan.

[greekcreek]

Nah, I disagree with guy in video clip.

Abortion VS miscarriages, stillborns, and kids dying young are two total different things.

Abortion is the deliberate death by the hand's of man.

Miscarriages, stillborns, and kids dying young are accidental. I suppose you can call it "an act of God" because that's what earthquakes and tornadoes are called. But, to suggest God snickered and purposely killed someone is not accurate. God and humans do not think the same way. We have a very limited outlook.

[Resnullia]

Exactly...Miscarriages are the accidental death of a human life. Manslaughter is the accidental death of a human life. You can accidentally induce a miscarriage by drinking too much caffeine, doing heavy lifting, travel, certain herbs (too much vitamin C supposedly)

Interesting video and point. Kudos!

[watersigns01]

You did not understand the point he was trying to make. If you believe in God & God created the miscarriage, wouldn't that be abortion as well? His tone suggests that he's an Atheist. It's logic from an Atheist's point of view. It's a perfectly valid question that you've failed to answer. If those things are "accidental", then what's the purpose of having faith in a God if he does not have a hand in the fate of the universe?

[emmykb81]

Oh, and again, research pays off. At 43 days after conception, brainwaves are detectble. This is when they are DETECTABLE, brainwaves are thought to be and could actually be present well before this. The actual point of viability constantly changes because it depends on technology, not on the unborn baby.

Based on the same viability logic, many "born" people are not viable because they cannot survive on their own without the aid of others. Should we abort them too?

[Resnullia]

emmykb, I realize your post is older, but I needed to reply to it. At around 40-56 days after conception electrical activity is detectable. That is not the same as brain waves (nor are brain waves the same as synchronized brain waves)

An oyster has electrical activity.

A "thinking brain" is not considered physically possible until 20-27 weeks.

[emmykb81]

Shouldn't that human inside the womb be afforded the opportunity to be able to hope and dream? A person inside the womb is exactly the same as you, me and "soldiers"... only different? Stage of development. Is a 90 year old grandmother worth more than a solder in his 20's? Afterall, grandma has experienced more and quite possibly has more people that "lover her". Your arguments are terrible. A person is a person is a person, no matter what size, age or ability to hope.

[thefakeyeti]

"your arguments are better"

yep and shouting

fetus= full blown adult..

Are so much better..

I am threw with you. I thought we were doing good.

But if you wan't to turn this into a flame war. I am off.

[emmykb81]

A body part is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of it's body; the unborn's genetic code differs entirely from the mother's. Being "inside something" is not the same as being part of something. A car is not part of a garage because it is parked there. Human beings should not be discriminated against because of their "place of residence."

[thefakeyeti]

PSSSST..

In the future use the argument of semise twins..

Imo that is more impressive :P

mainly because, not only is the baby in the mother, it also is hooked to her by a embilaca cord..

Like a extension to a house.

[emmykb81]

Also, I see that you wrote don't give a damn about human life being taken away. If that is the case, I hope you're not anti-war. I hope you don't care about people dying all over the world in terrosist attacks, accidents, etc. That would be hypocritical, now, wouldn't it? Yes, if a politician didn't care about basic human rights, I wouldn't vote for them. If they don't want to ship illegal immigrants back home, I won't vote for them. I suppose it's all a part of being passionate about beliefs.

[thefakeyeti]

"That would be hypocritical, now, wouldn't it? "

I don't give a damn about a fetus..

A non feeling, lack of conscience thing..

That is not the same thing, as a soldier who has a family who LOVES them back at home. Who has hopes and dreams..

A fetus does not equate to a conscience soldier.. Sorry this is not "hypocritical".

It would be like me saying you are hypocritical if you eat meat.. after all.. That is murder to.

[emmykb81]

Does size determine personhood? Is an NBA basketball player more of a person than someone half his size? If you lose ¼ of your bodyweight through a diet, do you lose ¼ of your personhood? If personhood is determined by one's current capacities, then someone who is unconscious or sick could be killed immediately because he/she is not demonstrating superior intellect or skills or "hopes and dreams". Age, size, IQ or stage development are simply differences in degree, not kind. ...

[thefakeyeti]

Your first point was silly, you probably know this.. I said nothing about PHYSICAL size(I will go men in black on you)If you found a marble with a full universe, of billions of living creatures in it, and you smash it. I would say that would be equally bad if you were to blow up this galaxy.

In the case of the sick, and the unconscious. It is not the same thing! They may have unfinished business, loved ones who will mourn their death. Engagments to attend to..

[emmykb81]

The moment sperm and egg meet, that person's unique DNA sequence is set, their gender and individual blood type determined. The heart startes beating at 18 days post conception, or roughly 4 days after a woman's missed period. It's a human in there. Tell me they don't have a right to live because of their stage of development and it's like saying you and I and the rest of mankind has no right to live. If that's the case, they should make murder legal, to justify abortions.

[thefakeyeti]

I will be honest..

I believe abortion will eventually be outlawed.. heres why..

Most pro choicers (like me) Don't really give a damn.. if a politician is pro-life. We will not let deter us completely from that politician..

However people like you are emotionally charged about it.. will let it deter you from a politician..

Though I think that with abortion as a option , mother and offspring relation would be stronger. Knowing she CHOOSE life with her own free will.

My two cents.

[emmykb81]

Also, why does the person carrying the child get to chose? What about the CHILD itself who's life is at stake? I know I certainly wouldn't be proud of a mother who aborted because she wouldn't "love" her child enough. What about those mothers who drown their "born" children? What about innocent children who are murdered every day by their parents due to abuse or neglect? 1.25 million children are killed every year by their mothers while in utero. Where is that line drawn?

[thefakeyeti]

Yes millions are killed a day by abuse and neglect..

This may be a argument FOR abortion..

Would you rather them be aborted, when they are not conscience? Or die terribly later?

"why does the person carrying the child get to chose? ?"

How about the male?I am pro-choice.. HOWEVER I also believe the male should have a choice in the matter..

If a woman and I talked about having a baby, and she choose to abort. I would be pissed, and I think the fetus is part mine, therfore i should sue

[emmykb81]

In the first 10 years after abortion was legalized, child abuse increased by over 500%. Studies also have shown that child abuse is more frequent among mothers who have previously had an abortion. Saying children should be killed now to save them from events that may or may not happen later is ridiculous. Should you have been aborted just in case you may have been abused later on in life? I think not. It is degrading to treat our children as property to be disposed of as we wish.

[thefakeyeti]

"Should you have been aborted just in case you may have been abused later on in life?"

As far as I know, I was planed..

If my mother did not want me, the odds of me being abused would be higher..

It was her right to decide if she wanted me.. and it should've been her right if she were to decide to abort..

"treat our CHILDREN as property"

And here we disagree, a fetus is not a child.

Should we force people to mate because that is potential human life, WASTED?

[thefakeyeti]

"Should you have been aborted just in case you may have been abused later on in life?"

As far as I know, I was planed..

If my mother did not want me, the odds of me being abused would be higher..

It was her right to decide if she wanted me.. and it should've been her right if she were to decide to abort..

"treat our CHILDREN as property"

And here we disagree, a fetus is not a child.

Should we force people to mate because that is potential human life, WASTED?

[watersigns01]

Exactly, there's "human life" wasted every time someone masturbates!....oh wait, religion taught me that's a sin too....Fuck!!!!

[greekcreek]

watersign01, I was going to answer your comment directed to me, but then, I read your second comment and realized you're one of THOSE guys, so it would be pointless. Atheist having "logic" when it comes to an almighty God, well, ironically, doesn't exist.

[watersigns01]

Ha! fuck off

[greekcreek]

I told you. Pointless.

[watersigns01]

Boy you don't understand shit do you? god DAMN, what exactly are you "telling" me anyways, you have yet to make a point. Just go fucking die or try to shove your dick down your throat & fucking choke yourself!!! HAHAHAA

[greekcreek]

pointless.

[thefakeyeti]

I would have to see further readings on this..

I am sure there were many other things that could've happened during that period of time..

Like when fundies say the year prayer was taken out of school, stds rose, therefore it should be put back..

But in reality, the same year the birth control pill was invented..

Also..

20 years after abortion was legalized, crime rate wen't down..

[thefakeyeti]

I would have to see further readings on this..

I am sure there were many other things that could've happened during that period of time..

Like when fundies say the year prayer was taken out of school, stds rose, therefore it should be put back..

But in reality, the same year the birth control pill was invented..

Also..

20 years after abortion was legalized, crime rate wen't down..

[mockmanmocking]

You Can't Spell Manslaughter Without Laughter

[brandonreader1337]

Hey man, i totally agree with you. Religion has such a narrow view of life which tough issues like miscarriages don't fall into. I mean abortion is so bad because the baby has a "soul" hence, but what about miscarriages? Suddenly its all quite on the Christian front because their cookie cutter definition doesn't apply anymore.

[thefakeyeti]

Yea it is (imo) a arrogant world view..

We are god's gift to the world, to the point that our fetuses ,which lack a conscience, has a soul.

yet, Endangered species? Who gives a fuck..

Shooting a deer with a arrow? Great fun,I would not legislate them to outlaw this.. but I always thought it looked cruel. Watching that thing run around with a arrow stuck in it..

Then you see a deer get shot by a skilled rifleman, and it immediatly falls to the ground.

[SGHLAH]

FOXHoleAtheist,

I agree with your statements. It seems most of your viewers just DON'T get what you're saying. I do.

I've "hear" and read from many "esoteric" types that God/Goddess' reasoning for such horrors is to "...bring us into a higher plane of spirituality..." I believe that quote is from Betty J. Eadie, the NDE survivor. I do not believe this shit. If the same prick of a God that is in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible is still the same God, then we are all fucked.

[emmykb81]

A miscarriage is the natural death of a human in utero. It is no different from any other human dying at any other stage of life. An abortion is killing a human in utero, no different from killing any other human at any other stage of development. There is a difference between the two. Black and white. No gray area whatsoever. Bringing God into this equation is only weakening your arguments. I am a Christian, but I believe abortion is a human rights issue, not a religious one.

[F0XholeAtheist]

You still don't understand my argument. I am simply saying that if a miscarriage is the women's fault...should that be considered manslaughter or murder? And if abortion is made illegal, should she be prosecuted. I am not saying ALL miscarries would be considered manslaughter or murder...I am saying some would and these would be the "grey areas" I speak of. Ex: obese or anorexic women have a miscarriage, her fault or not? Drug addict, her fault or not?

[emmykb81]

It's very simple: A miscarriage is the natural/spontaneous death of a human in utero. If a miscarriage was "caused" on purpose, it would not be a natural death thus it would not be a miscarriage by definition,it would be manslaughter, thus it should be prosecuted. If a woman chooses to harm her child, no matter what stage of development, she should be prosecuted - no matter if the result is death or not. Unfortunately, I doubt society or lawmakers will see unborn children as humans with rights.

[thefakeyeti]

"miscarriage was 'caused' on purpose, it would not be a natural death thus it would not be a miscarriage by definition,it would be manslaughter"

Sorry, but "by definition" man slaughter is BY ACCIDENT. Not ON PURPOSE..

Also, how would you proove something was caused on purpose?

Coffee can cause miscarriages! If a pregnant woman ignorantly drinks enough coffe to kill her fetus, should this be under the catergory of "on purpose"?

[thefakeyeti]

Okay I did some research on the definition of man slaughter.. read my OTHER comment.

[emmykb81]

A miscarriage is a natural spontaneous abortion. Abortion is the purposeful ending of a human life. There is no gray area. There is no comparrison. I have watched your video many times, and it makes no sense. By specific definition, a miscarriage cannot be manslaughter. I do not hate you for your video. The purposeful killing of any human being at any stage of development is murder (or manslaughter). Do not bring religion into it, this is a human rights issue.

[thefakeyeti]

"murder (or manslaughter)"

What country do you live in?

Maybe I am mis understanding you. But it sounds like you are using them as synonyms.

MAN SLAUGHTER AND MURDER ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

Murder- You calmly kill someone.. usually planning is involved.

Voluntary man slaughter- In the heat of the moment you freak out and kill someone.

Involuntary man slaughter(this is probably what the video maker was aiming at)- Accidently killing someone

[Raksaht]

If God is love and just(as in justice) 100% of the time, where would an unborn child go? Straight to heaven right? If an 'unwanted' child is brought into this world, what are the chances of that child accepting Jesus as his/her lord and savior? 100%? I think not. If you interfere with an abortion you are potentially condemning a soul to an eternity in hell, which is the meanest thing you could possibly do as a Christian. Blind faith is so cruel.

[baliwkuya]

well as humans we believe strongly in life, so im pretty sure we'll find a way to convict that poor lady. i just dont believe how your trying so hard to for people to loss faith. Equally, you people need to listen to what he has to says. Religion is both positive and negative, i believe more positive people honestly do try to teach people good. and its one of the last places people communicate together.

[emmykb81]

There are tactful ways to present this cliche and worn out question. Just get this straight: If one kills another human being, no matter what stage of development, it is murder. A miscarriage is a natural spontaeous abortion.

[emmykb81]

themilitantatheist: You are the moron. By definition, a miscarriage is a SPONTANEOUS abortion. If a person "causes" one, it would be murder, just as abortion is murder. It is the killing of a human being.

[themilitantatheist]

Before the next moron comments on this video please be sure you have watched and understood what he is saying. He is NOT saying that ALL miscarriages are the womans fault.

He is asking if the ones that ARE the womans fault should carry some penalty for the woman akin with manslaughter, if abortion is considered illegal.

This is an interesting question.

[suzyford]

i think you sre a jerk...what right do you have!!

i have suffered 6 miscarriages and not one of them i caused.

get a life you freak

[F0XholeAtheist]

What right do I have? What is your point here. Are you saying that just because I havn't had an abortion or a misscarige I have no right to comment on this mater? I have every right I want to comment on this. You are only offended because you took what I am saying out of context. Try watching the whole video and then think for yourself for once.

[2007kaylie]

you are so stupid. did you make this video as some sick king of joke.

[briann1100]

All most every miscarriage is unvitable and has nothing to do with the mother learn your facts!

[54viruses]

If this guy is a father whose child recently was stillborn I have sympathy. Otherwise he's just another case of open mouth insert foot.

[portage24]

I think you are a fucking asshole. You need some help.

[F0XholeAtheist]

I feel as if people haven't even watched the video and only have been commenting on the title of the video. My point is this. This issue is not black and white like so many people paint it out to be, there is a large grey area. And to try to define a line that one is allowed to cross or not to cross is not posible in this situation.

[court091689]

Your a fucking dumb ass and i think you need some help. I feel really sorry for you.

[tanrat7]

God can do anything He wants if He wants to end a pregnancy in miscarriage He Will and its not our place to question what God does and trying to accuse a woman of manslaughter for having a miscarriage would be outrageous when its already such is grievous event for a woman.

[Ghouma]

Talking of miscarriages and abortion, whats intresting with the social conservatives in America is that they scream and shout over abortion but never says a word about universal healthcare that would decrease the chance of misscarriage.

[tiphane666]

This kind of slippery slope is dangerous to society.I think people should be accountable for thier actions when raising a child, but I don't agree with creating laws regarding any organs inside an indivdual, woman or man. This whole God abortion thing is interesting because I've gathered you for an anthiest,so what doeas it matter?I'm sure a miscarriage is a painful and scary experience regardless of your religious beliefs.P.s.you're quite handsome!

[wardy66united]

ur a geek

[bubblegumshy]

hes talking out of his backside

[Evenpence]

Also, simply because you think something is unjust does not make it so. In America, we have judges and juries to decide what is unjust. However, we know that these things are not perfect.

What is perfect, however, is God's justice. This is how we have the idea of "justice," or of "perfection" for that matter. All our ideals are based on God's characteristics and natures that he has designed creation with.

[Evenpence]

Romans 9 will have the answer to most of your questions.

[F0XholeAtheist]

Why would I care what the Bible has to say. What if I was to quote the Iliad, or the Koran, or the Book of Mormon? What these quotes mean anything to you?

[breezee0622]

this guy is screwed up

[gcfsoccer12]

ok...my brother died of miscarage. we have no idea why. God put a baby inside of you to have it. ready or not you should still have it. put the baby up for adoption and someone else ,who cant have a baby or other reasons, will adopt he/she. theres other people ready to raise a child even if you are not. i wouldnt shoot someone just because i wasnt ready to be their friend."just something to think about"

[antsbaby06]

I agree with you jendea1!! Go see a shrink. I've reported this, has anyone else?

[F0XholeAtheist]

Wow...people really hate me for this video. People have even reported me as if my opinion is so offensive it souldn't be under the umbrella of the 1st Admendment right of freedom of speech.

[jendea1]

clearly you have some psychological issues if you honestly believe that miscarriage is manslaughter. I suggest you seek some help.

[antsbaby06]

A miscarriage is NO BODY'S FAULT! How dare you say anything different? Have you ever had a miscarriage or known anyone who's had one? You are an ignorant stupid person.

[F0XholeAtheist]

Well technically it's Gods fault and part of His plan. God has planned more abortions and misscaries then anyone in history...but that's his right, right? He is the almighty God.

[Warszawianin]

I'm going to pose a question, just to play devil's advocate:

Is it really as bad for a fetus to die as it is for a fully developed person?

The reason I think it might not be is that a fetus has no conception of anything beyond the womb. If its life ends, it's not really all that disappointed, is it? A person, however, has formed plans and dreams and established relationships.

...Then again, once you're dead, you can't really care when you died anyway, can you?

[riflesks]

Look the child claims to be an atheist yet has to bring God into the argument.

[riflesks]

If I aborted you by shooting you in the face with a .45 ACP would that not be murder?

It should be my choice right?

If I push you down a flight of stairs F0XholeAtheist wouldn't that be part of God's plain because it happend?

What a loser LMAO!

[jaiZwifey320]

ok yu don't make any sense bekause a miscarriage is nobody's fault

[dezesquibel24]

Wow this guy is serious... He really doesnt even know what the hell he is talking about. obviously he has a little bit too much time on his hands to actually come up w this kinda stuff... Like seriously GROW UP

[emmykb81]

"biznatchsarah" - the name speaks volumes. So sophisticated and eloquent. This video speaks nothing of inconsistencies in the Christian religion. It is a juvenile attempt at thrashing conventional beliefs. It's overdone and overused, quite platitudinous really...

[emmykb81]

Basically, this angst filled simpleton is mad at God, mad at mommy and daddy, mad at whomever had a negative influence in his downtrodden childhood.

His high-school psychology is tiresome.

[emmykb81]

We're talking black and white: basic human life. If a man wants to kill a 2 year old or an 80 year old it is illegal for good reason; he has no right to kill someone. If a woman wants to kill her 4 week old fetus, it should be illegal for good reason. No one has the right to take another person's life no matter what stage of development they are in.

[emmykb81]

I'm sure you can't wrap your little mind around this but just try to comprehend. Science prooves life at conception, everyone should have the right to live no matter where they live (womb, mansion, under a bridge).

[biznatchsarah]

Don't listen to these douchebags. You were simply pointing out the inconsistencies of the Christian religion. I liked this video very much, I hope it makes them think. PRO CHOICE FUCKERS. Don't have sex with a pro-lifer.

[ShareBear80]

Everyone's impression of God is different, by the way. The whole world doesn't believe that God plans out our whole lives. Not all religions believe that. There is such a thing as nature. Our bodies are miracles. They know when something is wrong, and our bodies abort the baby naturally - it's nature taking is course. Doesn't make it any less painful (I know, because it happened to me). But it's not something you can necessarily blame on God.

[ShareBear80]

Oh and if y'er single, y'er probably gonna stay that way if y'er posting things about women's health when you obviously know nothing on this topic.

[ShareBear80]

OH and by the way, having anorexia is NOT a person's fault. Just like you said, "a health reason".  How is that a woman's fault! And there'd be a lot of women in jail if this was the case, because as you say...20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. So we're gonna lock up all those women (myself included) because something so devastating happened to them as the loss of a child? Okay, so kick a woman while she's down...she loses her baby, then she's jailed for it.

[ShareBear80]

PS...don't judge a woman on making the choice to have an abortion. Walk a mile in the shoe of a woman who is pregnant as a result of rape. Feel the pain of a woman who was just told her baby would be born a vegetable if she carried on with the pregnancy. Be careful with what you post online because this is a sensitive issue for A LOT of people...men too, men who have experienced the loss of their wives or girlfriends who have gone through this.

[ShareBear80]

Furthermore - you can't prove what caused miscarriage 99% of the time. A judge would throw it out of court so fast it would make y'er head spin. A friend of mine is OBESE and she has had 4 healthy pregnancies, so helloooo asswipe, you can't blame a woman's weight on a miscarriage. You're a smeg head.

[ShareBear80]

Excuse me, but I had a miscarriage this year. I wanted the baby more than anything. I am not stick thin, and I am not obese. I carry some extra weight. But I am perfectly healthy. You can't post things like this and not expect women to be angry. You are a man. You could not possibly know the heart wrenching pain of a miscarriage. To say that miscarriage is manslaughter is completely idiotic. Most women who miscarry WANT the baby more than anything.

[emmykb81]

...The words "embryo" and "fetus" are words that describe a certain stage of human development. A todler has not a lesser value than an adolescent, just as an embryo has no lesser value than an adult. Be careful when comparing abortion to miscarriage... do some research first...

[emmykb81]

...furthermore, if a woman were to purposefully cause harm to her unborn child it would no longer be miscarriage; it would be characterized by deliberation or premeditation therefore making it murder; or abortion. That should be punishable be law...

[emmykb81]

...therefore, if the very definition of the word miscarriage means it is a natural occurance, a woman cannot be blamed for it thus should not face jail time or other punishments...

[emmykb81]

A miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion, meaning it it happens without effort or premeditation; it is natural and unconstrained; unplanned. (Put down the crack pipe and pick up a dictionary, it would do you wonders)...

[blondie110504]

FOXHOLE you are a complete w@nker , tosspot , c*nt, f*cking gay prick now do us all a favour and suck eggs

[deanna234]

If you guys actually watched the video you would realize he wasnt saying all the horrible things you guys are saying he did.

[blumnkyfur]

are u retarded and that is your crime??? i have just had 2 miscarriages in a row, now health reasons as of yet, and 3 living children. how dare you even insinuate such a thing. god is not a wholesale abortionist u freak! god does not play a role in our day to day, what do you think free will is for? i hope you are not as much of a douche bag as u appear! spaz.

[gary7infiltrator]

You COMPLETELY missed the point of this video, honey. It went right over your head. The man was making a very valid point about the absurdity of the movements to proclaim that abortion is murder and should be illegal.

[blumnkyfur]

abortion is murder. it didn't go over my head, it offended me. you forgot to take into account that this is a very very sensitive topic (miscarriage), and how dare you ever put women who have lost in the same catagory as those who have chosen to kill babies.

[epic69420]

I believe that women who CAUSE their miscarriage should face manslaughter, just as people who abort should face murder. My miscarriage wasn't my fault. I had a blighted ovum which means the chromosomes weren't right and it didn't develop.

[carobcoolyn]

Interesting idea that a miscarriage is G-d's form of abortion for whatever reason. GOOD POINT!

[mimxmad]

Maybe YOU should be put in jail. It is because of bastards like you some women feel that suicide is the only way to cope with the loss of a child. Have you ever stopped to think about miscarriages that are caused by THE FATHER? Until you experience the loss of a child, keep your comments to yourself. Looking at your face makes me want to puke. I have always said that I don't wish this kind of pain on my worst enemy, but I think that you're sorry ass would be the one exception to the rule.

[gary7infiltrator]

Oh, for god's sake. How are miscarriages caused by the father? Also, you completely missed the point of this video. Hysterical, shrieking women need to calm down and think before they post.

[thefakeyeti]

"Maybe YOU should be put in jail. It is because of bastards like you some women feel feel that suicide is the only way to cope"

"keep your comments to yourself"

I hate the first amendment too :)

[thefakeyeti]

"Maybe YOU should be put in jail. It is because of bastards like you some women feel feel that suicide is the only way to cope"

"keep your comments to yourself"

I hate the first amendment too :)

[emmykb81]

Basically, you summed it up for me. If it can be proven that a woman killed her child in utero on purpose, she should face manslaughter charges. Miscarriages are almost always caused by a genetic abnormality, rarely by low Progesterone levels. Coffee cannot cause a miscarriage, I suggest doing research. Once the child is old enough for caffeine to cross the placenta, the baby can't metabolize it like an adult, so it gets a little "hyper". ...cont'd....

[thefakeyeti]

cbsnewscom/stories/2002/01/31/­health/main326816shtml

If you are pregnant (not sure your gender) You better do some research..

"That woman is purposefully ingesting those items, she should face penalties if her child is harmed or killed because of her choice"

Using your own logic, if you drink to much caffiene, and you get a misscarriage. You deserve to be charged with "manslaughter"

[thefakeyeti]

cbsnewscom/stories/2002/01/31/­health/main326816shtml

If you are pregnant (not sure your gender) You better do some research..

"That woman is purposefully ingesting those items, she should face penalties if her child is harmed or killed because of her choice"

Using your own logic, if you drink to much caffiene, and you get a misscarriage. You deserve to be charged with "manslaughter"

[emmykb81]

I stated "coffee" doesn't kill people, you said in your previous post that coffee causes miscarriage. Coffee is a natural dieuretic and can be DEcaffeinated. Caffeine is still out to the jury as to whether or not it is harmful during pregnancy. There are studies showing it causes birth defects, low birth weight and miscarriage. I concur with you. Up to 150mg of caffeine is recommended per day for pg women. If a woman consumes more than that, she is knowingly risking her child's health and life.

[emmykb81]

cont'd..... Use of illicit street drugs, recreational drugs such as Marijuana, mis-use of class A,B,C,D, etc. rx drugs and high consumption of alcohol CAN lead to birth defects or miscarriage. That woman is purposefully ingesting those items, she should face penalties if her child is harmed or killed because of her choices. Coffee cannot kill a fetus, just like it would not kill a toddler.

[emmykb81]

cont'd - How could a woman cause a miscarriage on accident? Jumping on a trampoline? No, that's purposeful. A problem during the cell division process or with implantation? A Progesterone/Estrogen defficiency? What about poor egg or sperm quality? Chromosome abnormalities (BIGGEST cause of m/c right here)... these all seem natural to me. If a woman knowingly and intentiionally does something that she KNOWS could harm/kill her child, at any stage of development, she should be held accountable.

[emmykb81]

I doubt your parent's want you to use their computer for this purpose. Do us all a favor, move out of their basement and get a job - or at least a contructive hobby.

[emmykb81]

I found this while searching for info on miscarriage. I have had 2 miscarriages. I don't understand why imbeciles like you take the time to record themselves asking cliche' and redunant questions such as "what if God is an abortionist?". If you spent half as much energy on becoming educated about the subject as you do jerking off to your self-driven insane questioning, you may have a chance at being more than just a pitiful atheist with no direction in life.

[talulatwinkytoes]

This makes me sick!!!!! Ok a women that miscarries.. if thats her fault then a man that is impotent or does not have sperm that is up to the job should be sentenced to death!!!! If God is that sick then he doesnt exist!!!

[gary7infiltrator]

"If God is that sick then he doesnt exist!!!"

EXACTLY - and that is the whole point this guy was trying to make.

[mimxmad]

Maybe YOU should think before you go and post your ugly face for the whole world to see! Exactly HOW did I miss the point of your message? It was loud and clear. I bet that you don't have a girlfriend/wife. If so, she is just as sick as you are. I really think you're on your own with this issue. And AGAIN...I am not blaming anyone, but if you weren't so damn ignorant you would know that there are MANY miscarriages that are caused by the father's sperm.

[littlewoman1982]

I think your video is disgusting. Miscarriage is a bad enough thing to happen without people like you blaming women for something that they have no control over

[deanna234]

I miscarried almost into my second trimester because I wasnt producing enough progesterone to help the baby grow. I was producing enough to help the pregnancy sustain itself for so long but not enough to help baby grow the way it should have been. I completly feel as though its my fault that my body failed my baby. But I do really question god now. I dont know why he would put anyone through the pain ive been though. its bullshit

[Yankeezcap]

I agree that if you made abortion a crime then soon Religious finger pointing would start tossing unlucky ladies in cages with the insane ones if it had the chance, I mean it's done worse things(burn Jews, get young whites jumped for no reason.)

[darkwhitedirewolf]

yes!

excellent arguement

[babycesar1221]

Miscarriage is sometime caused by the womens health reasons or sometimes it just happens because of certen food you eat, they way you take care of yourself and also because because the baby might be born with defects that will effect them when they are born or in the future and thats just the way your body gets rid of the baby by miscarry

[babycesar1221]

and no I don't think they would put a women in jail for having a miscarriage because having one isn't your fault unless your doing things your not suppose to and God isn't a abortionist! we just like to call it as our angels were just to pretty for this world and he bless us with a child then takes it away its a lesson of life sometime god just put a baby there to fill our womb so we can remember our babies for the rest of our lifes my point of view I am a miscarriage survior

[outspokenpiano]

Dumb question, if you upset someone and they commit suicide, they wouldn't prosecute you. Second of all, if God is an all powerful, all knowing being, why would you try to even comprehend what he was thinking? You wouldn't have any capacity to understand. You're thinking of abortion in terms of: no God= abortion okay, God= abortion wrong which isn't the case.They feel pain. Why should you be allowed to kill the baby, because she's not intelligent? Then, you're saying its okay to kill retards?

[87BII]

But god dosen't "control" us persay. I mean yeh he dose in a way, but we for the 99% part, make all of our own choices. If a pregnant women drinks and smokes while pregnant, which is a big factor of a miscarrage, you say its gods fault and god killed that child??? Well, i dont see how that could be so. Yes there are deaths that occur all the time that no single person can be accounted for. Perhaps some people where ment to die at a certain time, and some people not at all.

[Jim105]

And how do you know this? Are you going to be so arrogant to claim that you know? Religion is extremely vague and unrealistic. Get out while you still have a chance.

[phantos02]

sick

[hannahbebe444]

I like how you think :)

[ProDeathX]

god cums his robe every time he brings us tears.

And jesus laughs at the world as most think he sacrificed something. Satan was an angle, and in every liveing thing god is apart, so god is half evil, half good...lol...

[snowfeet]

god is a soul addict. he's letting humans get impregnated down here because he needs more souls. sometimes he gets a little anxious and harvests them early = miscarriage.

i have to edit myself and stop saying ridiculous stuff right there. wow, i sound really harsh. i just mean to be funny. it seemed funny when i thought of it, but now i'm not so sure ...

[siciliano29]

It sounds funny yes, but not to worry... there is no god to get mad at you for saying it. ;)

[A1RFburns]

You are defining believers nuerosis. Obsessive compulsive thinking follows and rational thought exits. There are no absolutes and people have to live with many grey areas.