yip definately the police as i have been to police check points to hear my details checked. crime scenes before the police have arrived. you can also receive the call center, will put up a vid with it in action
and also if one of the radios gets stolen they have no way of disconnecting that radio off the air. unlike the P25 System theres also many other advantages of P25
christchurch police located a dicksmith fm transmitter in one of the vehicles it was broadcasting wat was heard in car including "encryted" radio transmissions
@myxmytosis ok your frequency converter only increases the Modulation by a factor of 10.0000Mhz
are you sure its the police? i know in wellington thay relay a different area onto the original TX simplex frequency just to keep the boy racers happy.. but its not attually the right city lol..
i would eventually document the new Frequencies one day, Basicly sit outside a station with a spectrum analyzer and monitor.. I dont know if there running on UHV,VHF or 800Mhz range..
HAHAHAH that guy is SO FULL of SHIT! The positives out way the negatives HAHA FUCK YOU look so I am under fire and I have to holed that fucking butten down for 5 sec you have to be fucking kidding me! I would rather let the general public here my B.Sing on the radio
It really bugs me how they imply that everyone listening in are criminals!
All of this crap about boy racers listening in is bullshit. Criminals listening in is fairly rare and doesn't warrant spending 100 million in tough economic times.
It's not criminals they care about. Cops do bad things all the time and they don't want the law abiding public to know about their doing from anyone except the bias media. Also I bet those tait assholes got some inside help.
@mewrox99 i completely argree with you im from Australia and melbourne is now full digital encrypted luckily i live in the country where we are still using the analogue system and im pretty sure in the radio act it is illegal to encrypt a signal so the cops are breaking there own laws
The government are allowed to encrypt their own signals. Generally in places where the public cannot encrypt they're previsions allowing the government
@mewrox99 Funny thing is boy racers can barely afford to maintain their cars or even pay for a full tank of petrol let alone afford a scanner. 10 thumbs up from me about freedom.
@A1nzfan The number that you see on the radio's stuck on by dymo labels is the radio's id number. So if the radio is lost/stolen, it can be deleted off the network. Sort of like a cell phones NSN number.......
@Hellcat040369 I wouldn't call them sad. More interested people that are disapointed and conserned. Yes some comments are radical, but if you've been scanning police channels since ages ago and then to have it taken away is a bit of a shock. People will still get there thrills from scanning (like me) just listening to the many other agencies and emergency services channels out there.
Secrecy encourages people to become more blatant with their abuses. A valid concern. It is not that people ARE listening, it is the fact that they MIGHT BE! I believe this keeps one honest... or should I say more honest. After all the police are a criminal organization designed to protect the rulers from the people, and not vice versa, as is the commonly held belief.
agreed. And with the govt having more power to intercept stuff like that I would be careful. And dont no if that would even work. Because wouldnt you need the encyrption unit on your p-25 capable scanner inorder to enter the key and break the encryption.
@NZpolice107 uh the encryption codes wont be available they would be set by tait only for nz police so i dont see how you would get the codes without hacking them and they wouldnt take years to hack like tait says
@NZpolice107 no, that wont work, unless you know the encryption key. which changes all the time. and then the system administrator has to allow the radio onto the network.
the main reason for going digital,like us here in the uk is so that we cannot listen in to them.the encryption technology used is so strong that even if you are lucky enough to pick up the carrier,it would take a normal pc around 30 years to get anywhere near to cracking the code.they just dont want us to know what is realy going on.treat the publilic like mushrooms,keep em in the dark and feed em on shit.end of story.
i don't under stand why they just don't use analog Radios that can go to channel 2 like the ones that they got in there patrol car. i can never here channel 2 on my scanner i don't no anyone that can pick it up
because theve been sold on the "secure" capability of the encryption. and by channel 2. Do you mean the polices scondary channels eg Metro 2, Whangarei 2, Christchurch 2 etc etc?
yep that's the one the police secondary channels. like when call each other by there call sign saying bmh2 bmh1 , Go Ahead , Can you 10 6 to channel 2, copy. then they change to channel 2 and you can't here them at all even if you scann every channel using search mode. it wont pick anything up so if the portable hand held radio analog radios could change to channel 2 to then wouldn't that solve the privacy problem? with out a hole new network and still have good coverage
yea I notice they are a bit harder to pick up. Probably because there not as well covered by repeaters. Like when a major events on the police regular channels I still can pick them up on the secondary channel although its patchy. Im not sure if there duplex all the time which would make there range limited. But the problem with that is that there still far from secure & in Auckland &Christchurch(for now) there secondary channels are used for qvr & qp while the 1channels are jobs and sitreps :-(
Because Christchurch police ch2 is for christchurch. There are only repeaters in Christchurch for this channel. If you come into christchurch then you will be able to hear it. Its only used for Vehicle checks QVR, QP's etc. ALL THE JOBS ARE DISPACHED OVER CH1
P25 provides little if any user feedback or warning from the network as to when the network is suddenly going to 'drop out' due to poor signal/BER or multi-pathing. People who promote the higher S/n ratios of P25 under low signal conditions are quoting test bench conditions. They fail to realise that the most effective signal processing unit in existance is the human ear/brain. Humans can descern voice under very noisy (low signal) conditions.
yea exactly which makes me wonder if the NZ police (and like agencys) have been coned in2 the P-25 technology on the basis that its secure. But they have failed to relise the many downsides to digital.The major issue for the system in nz is that "drop out" type coverage which in no way suits New Zealands topography which is hilly and rural in many places where the system will be deployed. So is an anolouge system that worked more unsafe than a "heavily" encrypted "secure" system that drops out?
The anwser is no and the stupid argument that the secure network will be much more safe for officers is abit of a myth if the radio system doesn't work well in the first place. And yea your right, the police are never going to come out (especialy in these economic times) & say "oh out $150million network is a flop and its interesting also that 3news were given information about the problems from someone inside the police. So if the officers dont feel conected on the ground then whats the point.
Ha ha ha.. I love it when bureaucrats say things like "The positives outweigh any negatives"!! What a knob! Nobody in government or in Police management is going to admit that the $150 million radio network is a white elephant. The only 'positive' about P25 is the relative security of voice traffic. I guess it depends what is more important, fast reliable and easy to understand radio traffic, or crappy digitised audio, ridiculous network delays.
Many American PDs have gone to visual screens for the majority of common calls. The emergency traffic is still handled by voice. One department I know of tried going encrypted all the time, but the failure rate of the modules caused them to go back to unencrypted for the general traffic, and call for encryption as needed.
Well that makes sence. Also here they are installing mobile data terminals in all new police Vehicles and retro fitting others which is going to reduce checks and dispatching times on the air while also reducing voice traffic which makes the voice encryption a bit of a waste of money. I understand that special ops,drug busts and intell gathering require encryption to keep there advantage over the crimanals but is it nessasary to encrypt all voice traffic on general talk channels?!
It's slowly changing in America, too. Something has to be done about this. We can't even listen to our government. Some of it is a good idea not to listen to. But some needs to be listened to and monitored for the good of the people. Do they encrypt everything over there?
Sadly yes. The New Zealand police are encrypting every channel they change to digital. Currently it only in one area of the country at the moment but it going to spread next year. I do argree with some things need to be encrypted but all the time on every talk group and channel does seem a little excessive. I dont no if theres anything we can do. Sadly SOME police forces management and governments think that anyone with a scanner is a potential criminal.
But yea they are our government services and I sort of feel like you in away. That the governments there for us with it services but we cant listen. Im going to be very disapointed if the NZ Fire Service and Ambulance go to encrypted networks when they change over since I dont see a reason why they would need encryption like police. But on sayn that some parts of the U.S arn't so bad as they have P-25 networks like the police here, but with out the encryption so you can scan it most of the time
yea im just slowly starting to accept that there going to an encrypted digital network and theres nothing we can do about it really. I still probably have a year or so untill my scanners bank of police channels goes quite :-( [still other agencys to scan though]
im just going to enjoy scanner while i can it's going to suck im not interested in anything else other then police so when my scanner doesn't work any more i will try sell it on ebay or something i don't no what are you going to do with yours
Im atticted to scanning lol. So its gona be real werid not beening able to listen to police. But il carry on and listen to fire, ambulance etc and use my scanner at events like v8 supercars. But its all dependent on what fire and amublance do. If they go to a non eycrypted P-25 network I mite buy a p-25 capable scanner to have a listen and see what the digital is like. Otherwise im not sure. Probably many people will be selling scanners anyway making them pretty much worthless.
do you think they will make radio scanners to break the encryption one day? in someways it's a disadvantage to the police because members of the public with scanners have in the past helped the police by listening in
not sure, My gues is that scanning police is dead (sorry to be so dark). The encryption level and the ways they can change the code quickly makes it near imposiable. And as its illigal to listen to encrypted comms I imagen many people will not bother to even try and decrypt it. And yea deffinatly I've heard the police being approced by people scanning and giving them infomation on offenders and where theve gone. And as they know the discription from the channel it makes it easy to help the cops.
yea! iv asked the same question. My gues is that the new officers coming through will just probably get use to plain english for most stuff and be able to freely talk about arrests and drug busts etc on the channel as they have that sence of sercurity from the bloody encryption. But the codes are also there to keep radio traffic down so imagen some will still stay like the K and 10 codes but incidents codes might not do.
also there has been recomendations from the U.S that they should go back to plain english with P-25 digital and scrap codes to stop confusion between agencys in big events.(eg fire and police k codes in nz are different). So im not sure whether theyll follow that here. It would be interesting if you could listen to Aos callouts with the new network as they could probably be quiet open about the situation unlike now where they try and cover it up on the anolouge.
yea but if you look on the other video (see video response) theres a unblured serial number on the front. But what use is that to the public so why blur it?
yip definately the police as i have been to police check points to hear my details checked. crime scenes before the police have arrived. you can also receive the call center, will put up a vid with it in action
myxmytosis 4 weeks ago
lol love the Analogue tait orca 2050 on the screen on the news...
44209david 4 weeks ago
This is stupid... Have they ever heard of FM Analog ENCRYPTION?? it takes minutes to attach a encryption module to a radio...
volfirefighter1231 2 months ago
@volfirefighter1231 yes but... not very effective
and also if one of the radios gets stolen they have no way of disconnecting that radio off the air. unlike the P25 System theres also many other advantages of P25
44209david 4 weeks ago
christchurch police located a dicksmith fm transmitter in one of the vehicles it was broadcasting wat was heard in car including "encryted" radio transmissions
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago
use iden
vorkev1 5 months ago
buy a jap import with jap radio. picks up police channel. cheaper than a scanner.
myxmytosis 5 months ago
@myxmytosis incorrect
44209david 4 weeks ago
@44209david only saying as i can pick up on mine but it has a frequency converter as well
myxmytosis 4 weeks ago
@myxmytosis ok your frequency converter only increases the Modulation by a factor of 10.0000Mhz
are you sure its the police? i know in wellington thay relay a different area onto the original TX simplex frequency just to keep the boy racers happy.. but its not attually the right city lol..
i would eventually document the new Frequencies one day, Basicly sit outside a station with a spectrum analyzer and monitor.. I dont know if there running on UHV,VHF or 800Mhz range..
44209david 4 weeks ago
Anyone can encrypt if you own the licence to the slice of spectrum you are encrypting.
luke96241 10 months ago
Were not criminals!!!
smipe2001 10 months ago
No, but... the police are, isn't that ironic!
peace,
haans :)
haansgruber 8 months ago
hey is frederick county virginia winchester sheriffs city police county fire and city fire are they going to digital
TheRefuge123 1 year ago
HAHAHAH that guy is SO FULL of SHIT! The positives out way the negatives HAHA FUCK YOU look so I am under fire and I have to holed that fucking butten down for 5 sec you have to be fucking kidding me! I would rather let the general public here my B.Sing on the radio
mkubiak67 1 year ago
Greg O'Connor is a dick
NZScanner 1 year ago
It really bugs me how they imply that everyone listening in are criminals!
All of this crap about boy racers listening in is bullshit. Criminals listening in is fairly rare and doesn't warrant spending 100 million in tough economic times.
It's not criminals they care about. Cops do bad things all the time and they don't want the law abiding public to know about their doing from anyone except the bias media. Also I bet those tait assholes got some inside help.
Thumbs up if you support freedom!
mewrox99 1 year ago
@mewrox99 i completely argree with you im from Australia and melbourne is now full digital encrypted luckily i live in the country where we are still using the analogue system and im pretty sure in the radio act it is illegal to encrypt a signal so the cops are breaking there own laws
smipe2001 1 year ago
@smipe2001
The government are allowed to encrypt their own signals. Generally in places where the public cannot encrypt they're previsions allowing the government
mewrox99 1 year ago
@mewrox99 Funny thing is boy racers can barely afford to maintain their cars or even pay for a full tank of petrol let alone afford a scanner. 10 thumbs up from me about freedom.
AdrianMX6 6 months ago
Under the blurring it would have said TP9100
tafftastic 1 year ago
@tafftastic There is a random number there. (see related video) That wasn't blured in earlier stories but is in this one for some reason.
A1nzfan 1 year ago
@A1nzfan The number that you see on the radio's stuck on by dymo labels is the radio's id number. So if the radio is lost/stolen, it can be deleted off the network. Sort of like a cell phones NSN number.......
NZpolice107 1 year ago
Judging from some of the comments below there are some very sad people out there that have to get their thrills out of listening to a police channel.
Hellcat040369 1 year ago
@Hellcat040369 I wouldn't call them sad. More interested people that are disapointed and conserned. Yes some comments are radical, but if you've been scanning police channels since ages ago and then to have it taken away is a bit of a shock. People will still get there thrills from scanning (like me) just listening to the many other agencies and emergency services channels out there.
A1nzfan 1 year ago 3
Secrecy encourages people to become more blatant with their abuses. A valid concern. It is not that people ARE listening, it is the fact that they MIGHT BE! I believe this keeps one honest... or should I say more honest. After all the police are a criminal organization designed to protect the rulers from the people, and not vice versa, as is the commonly held belief.
peace,
haans :)
haansgruber 8 months ago
@Hellcat040369 much assistance is provided by members of the public/media though communication interceptions
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago
greg oconner is such a liar , always full of shit
Bwah2012 1 year ago
Why did they bother blurring the radio ID label, that info is of no use to anyone. In related news story its clear to see.
rich88uk 2 years ago
exactly!
A1nzfan 2 years ago
@rich88uk yeah lol it still says tait on the front. one of the best manufacturers of radio equipment in the world.
gezelle007 1 year ago
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NZpolice107 2 years ago
it may not be a good idear to post that on the net
Jackcc5 2 years ago
agreed. And with the govt having more power to intercept stuff like that I would be careful. And dont no if that would even work. Because wouldnt you need the encyrption unit on your p-25 capable scanner inorder to enter the key and break the encryption.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
I don't need a scanner, I'll just get one of the tait encrypted radios, program the freq's into it and the encryption codes! simple
NZpolice107 2 years ago
Thats if tait sell you 1 with an encryption unit as they would probably relise what you were up to. But by all means its worth a try.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
@NZpolice107 uh the encryption codes wont be available they would be set by tait only for nz police so i dont see how you would get the codes without hacking them and they wouldnt take years to hack like tait says
wax333 1 year ago
@NZpolice107 no, that wont work, unless you know the encryption key. which changes all the time. and then the system administrator has to allow the radio onto the network.
tafftastic 1 year ago
the main reason for going digital,like us here in the uk is so that we cannot listen in to them.the encryption technology used is so strong that even if you are lucky enough to pick up the carrier,it would take a normal pc around 30 years to get anywhere near to cracking the code.they just dont want us to know what is realy going on.treat the publilic like mushrooms,keep em in the dark and feed em on shit.end of story.
escillon 2 years ago
HAHA. Mushrooms, I've never thought of it like that.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
@escillon nice one LOL
Bwah2012 1 year ago
There trying to get rid ofthe delay in a digital radio. They should use there bloody brains.
DJBHills 2 years ago
i can pik up the hamilton 2 channel
masyn07 2 years ago
i don't under stand why they just don't use analog Radios that can go to channel 2 like the ones that they got in there patrol car. i can never here channel 2 on my scanner i don't no anyone that can pick it up
Jackcc5 2 years ago
because theve been sold on the "secure" capability of the encryption. and by channel 2. Do you mean the polices scondary channels eg Metro 2, Whangarei 2, Christchurch 2 etc etc?
A1nzfan 2 years ago
yep that's the one the police secondary channels. like when call each other by there call sign saying bmh2 bmh1 , Go Ahead , Can you 10 6 to channel 2, copy. then they change to channel 2 and you can't here them at all even if you scann every channel using search mode. it wont pick anything up so if the portable hand held radio analog radios could change to channel 2 to then wouldn't that solve the privacy problem? with out a hole new network and still have good coverage
Jackcc5 2 years ago
yea I notice they are a bit harder to pick up. Probably because there not as well covered by repeaters. Like when a major events on the police regular channels I still can pick them up on the secondary channel although its patchy. Im not sure if there duplex all the time which would make there range limited. But the problem with that is that there still far from secure & in Auckland &Christchurch(for now) there secondary channels are used for qvr & qp while the 1channels are jobs and sitreps :-(
A1nzfan 2 years ago
If you are out of Christchurch, You will not be able to pick up channel 2.
NZpolice107 2 years ago
why not? can you explan why please
Jackcc5 2 years ago
Because Christchurch police ch2 is for christchurch. There are only repeaters in Christchurch for this channel. If you come into christchurch then you will be able to hear it. Its only used for Vehicle checks QVR, QP's etc. ALL THE JOBS ARE DISPACHED OVER CH1
NZpolice107 2 years ago
The other thing is, they could be going to a Simplex channel.
NZpolice107 2 years ago
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NZpolice107 2 years ago
im not sure how to enter them frequncys manualy i just got one of them uniden scanners from dse
Jackcc5 2 years ago
what sort of scanner do you have? Model etc?
NZpolice107 2 years ago
I am not sure how Blenheim works, but try some of these.
485.3250 (Portable) Marlborough (Rural Canterbury shared)
75.5000 Blenheim Police - shared with Kaikoura
75.5500 Blenheim police - shared with Kaikoura
NZpolice107 2 years ago
P25 provides little if any user feedback or warning from the network as to when the network is suddenly going to 'drop out' due to poor signal/BER or multi-pathing. People who promote the higher S/n ratios of P25 under low signal conditions are quoting test bench conditions. They fail to realise that the most effective signal processing unit in existance is the human ear/brain. Humans can descern voice under very noisy (low signal) conditions.
sparktastic1 2 years ago
yea exactly which makes me wonder if the NZ police (and like agencys) have been coned in2 the P-25 technology on the basis that its secure. But they have failed to relise the many downsides to digital.The major issue for the system in nz is that "drop out" type coverage which in no way suits New Zealands topography which is hilly and rural in many places where the system will be deployed. So is an anolouge system that worked more unsafe than a "heavily" encrypted "secure" system that drops out?
A1nzfan 2 years ago
The anwser is no and the stupid argument that the secure network will be much more safe for officers is abit of a myth if the radio system doesn't work well in the first place. And yea your right, the police are never going to come out (especialy in these economic times) & say "oh out $150million network is a flop and its interesting also that 3news were given information about the problems from someone inside the police. So if the officers dont feel conected on the ground then whats the point.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
Ha ha ha.. I love it when bureaucrats say things like "The positives outweigh any negatives"!! What a knob! Nobody in government or in Police management is going to admit that the $150 million radio network is a white elephant. The only 'positive' about P25 is the relative security of voice traffic. I guess it depends what is more important, fast reliable and easy to understand radio traffic, or crappy digitised audio, ridiculous network delays.
sparktastic1 2 years ago
Many American PDs have gone to visual screens for the majority of common calls. The emergency traffic is still handled by voice. One department I know of tried going encrypted all the time, but the failure rate of the modules caused them to go back to unencrypted for the general traffic, and call for encryption as needed.
k0smon 2 years ago
Well that makes sence. Also here they are installing mobile data terminals in all new police Vehicles and retro fitting others which is going to reduce checks and dispatching times on the air while also reducing voice traffic which makes the voice encryption a bit of a waste of money. I understand that special ops,drug busts and intell gathering require encryption to keep there advantage over the crimanals but is it nessasary to encrypt all voice traffic on general talk channels?!
A1nzfan 2 years ago
It's slowly changing in America, too. Something has to be done about this. We can't even listen to our government. Some of it is a good idea not to listen to. But some needs to be listened to and monitored for the good of the people. Do they encrypt everything over there?
BubbyandKierra 2 years ago
Sadly yes. The New Zealand police are encrypting every channel they change to digital. Currently it only in one area of the country at the moment but it going to spread next year. I do argree with some things need to be encrypted but all the time on every talk group and channel does seem a little excessive. I dont no if theres anything we can do. Sadly SOME police forces management and governments think that anyone with a scanner is a potential criminal.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
But yea they are our government services and I sort of feel like you in away. That the governments there for us with it services but we cant listen. Im going to be very disapointed if the NZ Fire Service and Ambulance go to encrypted networks when they change over since I dont see a reason why they would need encryption like police. But on sayn that some parts of the U.S arn't so bad as they have P-25 networks like the police here, but with out the encryption so you can scan it most of the time
A1nzfan 2 years ago
i was hoping it would fail and they would stay analogy. how ever i didn't have high hopes on that man this is going to fuck us over big time
Jackcc5 2 years ago
yea im just slowly starting to accept that there going to an encrypted digital network and theres nothing we can do about it really. I still probably have a year or so untill my scanners bank of police channels goes quite :-( [still other agencys to scan though]
A1nzfan 2 years ago
im just going to enjoy scanner while i can it's going to suck im not interested in anything else other then police so when my scanner doesn't work any more i will try sell it on ebay or something i don't no what are you going to do with yours
Jackcc5 2 years ago
Im atticted to scanning lol. So its gona be real werid not beening able to listen to police. But il carry on and listen to fire, ambulance etc and use my scanner at events like v8 supercars. But its all dependent on what fire and amublance do. If they go to a non eycrypted P-25 network I mite buy a p-25 capable scanner to have a listen and see what the digital is like. Otherwise im not sure. Probably many people will be selling scanners anyway making them pretty much worthless.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
do you think they will make radio scanners to break the encryption one day? in someways it's a disadvantage to the police because members of the public with scanners have in the past helped the police by listening in
Jackcc5 2 years ago
not sure, My gues is that scanning police is dead (sorry to be so dark). The encryption level and the ways they can change the code quickly makes it near imposiable. And as its illigal to listen to encrypted comms I imagen many people will not bother to even try and decrypt it. And yea deffinatly I've heard the police being approced by people scanning and giving them infomation on offenders and where theve gone. And as they know the discription from the channel it makes it easy to help the cops.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
do you think they will still use the police codes when they go to digital like im going 3T ill be 10 3. ??????
Jackcc5 2 years ago
yea! iv asked the same question. My gues is that the new officers coming through will just probably get use to plain english for most stuff and be able to freely talk about arrests and drug busts etc on the channel as they have that sence of sercurity from the bloody encryption. But the codes are also there to keep radio traffic down so imagen some will still stay like the K and 10 codes but incidents codes might not do.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
also there has been recomendations from the U.S that they should go back to plain english with P-25 digital and scrap codes to stop confusion between agencys in big events.(eg fire and police k codes in nz are different). So im not sure whether theyll follow that here. It would be interesting if you could listen to Aos callouts with the new network as they could probably be quiet open about the situation unlike now where they try and cover it up on the anolouge.
A1nzfan 2 years ago
The bluring was to cover up the model number, which is TP9100!
NZpolice107 2 years ago
yea but if you look on the other video (see video response) theres a unblured serial number on the front. But what use is that to the public so why blur it?
A1nzfan 2 years ago
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miked351 2 years ago