It was Maitland who first heard the song and took it down on the General Knox- being sung by Scousers, some of the lyrics may have been changed but not all, "Hanson Terrace" Park Lane" are all local street names, you may not be able to speak for my grandmother but I certainly can and I can assure you the info she and her generation have passed on pre-dates anything you have so far come up with. Next we'll hear is that the Beatles were American and their music written and composed in New York
What has your Beatles quip got to do with the price of tea in China? You'd make a better cae that maybe your gram heard this if you didnt embellish the facts. Maitland was bosun of the American ship GENERAL KNOX, circa 1885. He heard a Scouser singing it in the focsle. It won't do for you to pluralize "Scousers" and "was being sung by several natives of that city" and declare it an emigrant ship. You're making up a fantasy. cont...
Your date of 1955 --when you were about 5 yrs old -- still post-dates its appearance in print, and possibly revival singers had started with it then. Ewan MacColl and Bert Lloyd drew heavily from Doerflinger's text. It is entirely possible that dear gram had heard it, but your "story" here, which you've spammed on many of the videos with this song, sounds shady because of the way you've distorted other info.
This song is pure Liverpool, it was first heard and taken down on the"General Knox" an America bound emmigrant ship it was being sung by several natives of that city.. no one knows the composer although my grandmother (born1875) recalls singing it as a young girl in Liverpool, she told me this in 1955 and was one of my favourite songs as a child.
It was taken down by chantey-collector Bill Doerflinger from Dick Maitland, a New Yorker, in Sailor's Snug Harbor, Staten Island. I can't speak to your dear grandma's experiences, but 1955 post-dates the publication of Doerfinger's text, and the adoption of the song by folk revival groups, based on that text.
"RUBBISH!!!!! typical american rubbish the world knows and the composer knows its a song about an irishman making his way to liverpool to gain a ship to emigrate to the u,s ..way back when the u,s was still a new country with no history ,class or pedigree ..look at the people here on the choob singing this ,dubliners ,tommy makem , the spinners(irish folk band ..not the u,s niggers) all irish its a irish folk song,,in fact ..google it,,, end off"
@hultonclint The Spinners IRISH??!!! Sober up!......... One of them came from the West Indies f'Christs sake!!! Another one from manchester and the rest were scousers!!!
@cd1690 Hi. As you can see from the quotation marks, I am quoting someone, who subsequently deleted his comment. --who started an argument and then ran away. I didn't say The Spinners were Irish.
Not the same as what? If you read the description, you'll know that the world knows of this song solely due to the singing of an American sailor, Dick Maitland of Staten Island (NY). It is from his version that subsequent ones were derived. I'd venture to guess that my New York area accent is closer to his -- as if that mattered.
Although nothing is ever really "the same"; should it be?
Beautifully sung with the spirit of Liverpool in mind. Did they tell you that during the war they caught a spy broadcasting shipping movements, from a small room in the top of the Liver Building?
It was Maitland who first heard the song and took it down on the General Knox- being sung by Scousers, some of the lyrics may have been changed but not all, "Hanson Terrace" Park Lane" are all local street names, you may not be able to speak for my grandmother but I certainly can and I can assure you the info she and her generation have passed on pre-dates anything you have so far come up with. Next we'll hear is that the Beatles were American and their music written and composed in New York
aramat111 2 years ago
What has your Beatles quip got to do with the price of tea in China? You'd make a better cae that maybe your gram heard this if you didnt embellish the facts. Maitland was bosun of the American ship GENERAL KNOX, circa 1885. He heard a Scouser singing it in the focsle. It won't do for you to pluralize "Scousers" and "was being sung by several natives of that city" and declare it an emigrant ship. You're making up a fantasy. cont...
hultonclint 2 years ago
cont...
Your date of 1955 --when you were about 5 yrs old -- still post-dates its appearance in print, and possibly revival singers had started with it then. Ewan MacColl and Bert Lloyd drew heavily from Doerflinger's text. It is entirely possible that dear gram had heard it, but your "story" here, which you've spammed on many of the videos with this song, sounds shady because of the way you've distorted other info.
hultonclint 2 years ago
This song is pure Liverpool, it was first heard and taken down on the"General Knox" an America bound emmigrant ship it was being sung by several natives of that city.. no one knows the composer although my grandmother (born1875) recalls singing it as a young girl in Liverpool, she told me this in 1955 and was one of my favourite songs as a child.
aramat111 2 years ago
It was taken down by chantey-collector Bill Doerflinger from Dick Maitland, a New Yorker, in Sailor's Snug Harbor, Staten Island. I can't speak to your dear grandma's experiences, but 1955 post-dates the publication of Doerfinger's text, and the adoption of the song by folk revival groups, based on that text.
hultonclint 2 years ago
The song has nothing to do with Ireland, its is purely Liverpool. The Spinners were a semi-Liverpool folk group, based in Liverpool.
NearAbbeyRoad 2 years ago
2nd comment from "TheShamtube":
"RUBBISH!!!!! typical american rubbish the world knows and the composer knows its a song about an irishman making his way to liverpool to gain a ship to emigrate to the u,s ..way back when the u,s was still a new country with no history ,class or pedigree ..look at the people here on the choob singing this ,dubliners ,tommy makem , the spinners(irish folk band ..not the u,s niggers) all irish its a irish folk song,,in fact ..google it,,, end off"
hultonclint 2 years ago
Well sung.
I was always under the impression that the singer was a sailor, not an emmigrant.
He has sailing experience - "I have sailed with Burgess once before"
He intents to come back -" and when I return united we will be."
On a side note, The Spinners folk band ( if it's the band I think you mean ) were from Liverpool and the Manchester area. They weren't Irish.
Scytalte 2 years ago
@hultonclint The Spinners IRISH??!!! Sober up!......... One of them came from the West Indies f'Christs sake!!! Another one from manchester and the rest were scousers!!!
cd1690 11 months ago
@cd1690 Hi. As you can see from the quotation marks, I am quoting someone, who subsequently deleted his comment. --who started an argument and then ran away. I didn't say The Spinners were Irish.
hultonclint 11 months ago
First comment from "The Shamtube";
"sorry, not the same in a american accent."
hultonclint 2 years ago
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TheShamtube 2 years ago
Not the same as what? If you read the description, you'll know that the world knows of this song solely due to the singing of an American sailor, Dick Maitland of Staten Island (NY). It is from his version that subsequent ones were derived. I'd venture to guess that my New York area accent is closer to his -- as if that mattered.
Although nothing is ever really "the same"; should it be?
hultonclint 2 years ago
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TheShamtube 2 years ago
Beautifully sung with the spirit of Liverpool in mind. Did they tell you that during the war they caught a spy broadcasting shipping movements, from a small room in the top of the Liver Building?
geoff1945 2 years ago