what am the most tired of is hearing how McCain will be just like Bush, this is the liberal fucktards being brainwashed to believe everything obama presents.
I'm a republican. If Hillary had gotten the Dem nomination, I'd be making an equivalent video of this for Republicans: vote for Hillary and hand the GOP a 10 point loss so we can shake up our party, rid it of corruption and get to where we can make the country a better place. Hillary, I'd be able to stomach. Obama is WAY to extreme. My vote isn't "for" McCain, rather its against Obama. I agree with your referencing Washington's warning against parties and factions. This whole election is sad.
are you trying to say that you would be more satisfied by mccain as POTUS than obama? You would rather have my generation pay for FOUR more years of debt, FOUR more years of Bush like policy. thanks a lot.
You Hillary supporter's little temper tantrums are going to cost us trillions of dollars in a war we don't need to be in, thousands of lives and will only line the pockets of big business.
The logic Hillary supporters are showing is that of a 5 year old child, "if I cry long enough I'll eventually get a cookie"
Well the cookie is recession and 4 more years of the same unconstitutional BS we've put up with for the last 8 years.
bigticer, please- YOU get a life. Your arguments are wack. Hillary LOST by a better campaign. Quit bitching! If you followed Hillary on issues and lost, Obama is a logical choice based on ISSUES which is a total contrast to McCain.
Please LittleTicer, a ballooned deficit, rising unemployment, weak dollar, etc. and you want to teach HOW TO BEAT OBAMA? Please!
Do all a favor, move out of your mamma's basement, get a job, and READ THE ISSUES.
Have fun voting for your racist Obama. "Destroy the white oppressor." Imagine if John McCain went to a church that said "Destroy the black savages." Stop and think. No way in hell would you vote for him. Racism is racism doesn't matter who it comes from. Don't support a racist.
thanks UNCLE TOM!But thats just my personal opinion. Its amazing to me how you speak in such an arrogant tone when the truth is your just a moron for voting for mccain over obama when mccains stances are wayyy different than hillarys, while Obamas and hillarys are nearly identical
I don't get the whole "I like social programs but not taxes" thing. It makes NO sense. Everyone wants free crap without paying for it, but the world doesn't work that way. I LOVE how all the soc. lib/fisc. cons. always call for cuts without specifying what should be cut. You can't pay for programs without funds and you don't get funds without taxes. I guess you like big deficits. In that case you should vote for McCain.
This guy is pretty lost with comparison of Hillary and Obama. Based on their voting record they are political twins. One could say Hillary was more liberal with her Oil wind profit tax and Mandatory Healthcare plan. Most of what says makes him look like a Jackass for Puma.
You only beleive what NObama tells you. You are either too lazy, or too stupid to do any real research. If it is on the "fightthesmears" website, than it must be true right? Get a life. All of your PUMA trolling doesn't do anything but make me and others even more dedicated to McCain; which is a feat unto itself. Hillary is NOT identical to NObama. One is an unqualified piece of shit who is wasting everyone's time and $ with a $500 million sociology experiement. The other is Hillary.
IT seems to me these puma nuts have let hillary use them one last time. I have to admit the clintons are the best at munipulating people hell they had an office in harlem diversified the white house now they seen puma coming a mile away and sucked them dry. $10,000,000 so I guess she needed the money more then all these social programs whos funds are being cut because of the state of the economy. pUMA aint shit but loud mouth Obama hating hypocrites. They worship the ground the clintons walk on
Dude, This guy and the Puma Bitches are idiots. The Election Electorate shows the only chance that democrats had to take back the whitehouse is with Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton is too Polorizing and would have awakened the Conservative right to beat her down to submission. As if she didn't do it herself. John Mcsame and Billary have one thing in common. Defeated by Obama in 08!
As a self proclaimed social liberal how do you really feel about the PUMA CULT group raising 10,000,000 to pay of hillary clintons debt when she already has close to a billion dollars between her and bill sounds a little contridictive to me. PUMA claims to be for the people and want to live out hillarys words and agenda on social programs but it seems to me yu rathe make the richer richer and keep coming on you tube blowing smoke out your ass about OBAMA.
Other PUMA sites don't even bother to insult me, they just delete all my messages. Apparently no dissenting opinions are to be tolerated, no matter how civil or restrained. That speaks volumes about your group and how fragile its "convictions" really are.
Great video, my PUMA brother! All you Obama supporters just spout hate and bigotry, definitely not reflecting this "UNITY" and making you Obama supporters HYPOCRITES!
LiKe I said a CULT "my puma brother" CULTIST CULTIST CULTIST talking about hate CBRASTUS has a picture of obama and Amajad standing together and I know A man who has 10 bumper stickers on the back of his car all hateing on Obama like who doest that type of shit HATERS, 10 BUMPER STICKERS!!!! thats nuts. so dont talk that hate shit when PUMA has nothen but negative comments on a person you dont even know never even met. Supporters support and voters vote CULTIST HATE!
reprendre du renaud qui a déjà une voix à chier en faisant pire faut quand même être sacrément balèze en matière de nullité. Enfin aubert a toujours été un nul avec McCain sa voix d'adolescent prépubère. quand à l'autre n'en parlons pas une catastophe à tous points due vues sauf le cul.
I still can't believe Obama chickened out of the Town Hall meetings with McCain. I guess Obama does not want to do away with his beloved speech writer and teleprompter. God forbid, he might have to answer some questions on his own!
Let's face it...Hillary was the better candidate BY FAR. Too many dems reacted on emotion and not thought; one of our (democrats) big 'failings' it seems.
Hillary lied REPEATEDLY. Not only about where she was and what she did, but about supporting NAFTA, and she also COMPLETELY flip-flopped on the war in Iraq, but the loyal Clinton cultists conveniently disregard that. Not only that but Bill Clinton's Presidential Library takes MILLIONS in donations from Saudis and other Arab countries. Quit skewing facts to your own benefit Clinton cultists! She lost, GET OVER IT!
Right - she lost - but that doesn't mean I have to support an inexperienced, unqualified candidate. McCain is very much the better candidate after Hillary. Sorry, but I will use 'thought' to drive my vote...not 'emotion.' ;)
so this is the trend we set from here on out if the democrate that we dont like makes it to the general election just vote for the republican and start a cultist group as the foundation??????????? Im not bying it.
I agree with you. For me, I don't agree 100%with the "issues" of either party platform. For me, its not about the "issues," its about experience. Clinton and McCain have the experience needed put this country in the right direction.
Bush had no experience and Obama is just another Bush . . . Obama is Bush III. Look at his record . . . oops, I forgot, his papers in IL have been destroyed and he either voted "present" or hit the wrong button. God help us.
You Sir have a very good head on your shoulders. Last time I checked America had not yet been transformed into Nazi Germany. This is still a free country and we do not HAVE to vote for anyone we don't want to. The party choose to SELECT a rookie Senator with little grasp on the issues and numerous radical connections. And people have to nerve to question why we don't want to vote for him.
I am also a PUMA, except I am an economic populist and social moderate. I am against Obama because of his flip flops on Iraq, gun control, civil liberties and other issues. And his lies about his assosiation with Reverand Wright and that he voted against the Victims Born Alive Protection Act which would protected babies born after a failed abortion attempt and supports coercing the American taxpayers into funding abortion and abortion providors. I am not wasting my vote on Obama or McCain.
Bigticer: This is my first disagreement with you. The race isn't lost yet. We aim to have Clinton reinstated at the convention and as the presidential nominee. We've got a lot of time left before August and the superdels are watching and, hopefully, paying attention to who is the truly electable candidate. We Dems should have been able to put Mr. Potato Head up against the Repubs this year with a blowout. The fact that BO is polling about even with McCain is the first clue to how bad he is
Have Obama come as Obama a leftist thing swing towards some center views like a clinton then have Mccain pose as a moderate still a REPUBLICAN then start to lean more towards Bushes policies as he has done so far I think that is playing it more carful then voting for Mccain because of Obamas enexperience.
Yeah well keep looking at Obama. Just yesterday he said to the Evangelical community which is about as far right as you can get that he will continue Bush's Faith Based Initiatives. That pissed off alot of his supporters on the left and threw some doubt as to his sincereity into the mix. Now he is saying he is going to see how he should go about withdrawl from Iraq once he gets back. Sounds like he is positioning himself for a swing towards the right. (to be continued)
Which will be another flip flop that can be highlighted by McCain and his supporters. Not only that but as usuall most Americans forget about the Independant candidate in this race....The ever stalwart Nader has positioned himself as an anti-war candidate and could seize on the fact of Obama being a flip flopper if he sounds the least bit swayed to not pull troops out of Iraq straightaway. How would Obama deal with that!
HE said he is still dedicated to a 16 month pull out but is refining the pull out strategy. Also he would bring most of the troops home and may put in place a counter strike incase of a potential reprisal of the insurgency. Pat Bucahnnon had to even defend that position. BUt do you see how your being very contradictive for the sake of Obama bashing Your perfectly fine with Mcain swing all over the place as a rebel but you cant see that Obama is doing this inlight of not eliminating anyone cont.
I'm being condradictive...Okay so when Obama launches his campaign on an anti Iraq war policy with promises of full troop pullouts if he is president and then sounds like he spoke too soon were not supposed to notice. It was Obama that closed the door on Iraq with his statements on how he was going to pull out the troops. To say anything different now shows he is flip flopping and the difference between that and McCain is lightyears but someone who hates McCain because he is (to be contd)
Republican is not going to care anyway. McCain has flipped his position on many things but he never stated that he was definately opposed to the things he has changed his position on. Fuel for example, he still wants no drilling in ANWR but is changed his position on drilling overall because he hears the voice of the people that want drilling now, nuclear energy now. Obama can say he is changing his view because he realizes Iraq is working now but he should have never come off as a (to be contd)
staunch anti-war, anti-Iraq politician who blasted others for their wait and see approach. This is why McCain emplored him to go to Iraq and see if there was any progress there. But hey, Obama is going to do what he wants to do. So basically you are trying to compare McCain and Obama's actions which given their histories and platforms is untenable. McCain has always had the wait and see approach where as Obama is just now realizing he should have. Its not my fault or others for noticing.
Mccain has a wait and see approach? So wahy didnt he wait and see the black voter reaction in south carolina when he first claimed to be against the confederate flag atop the state building saying it portrays a rascist part of our nations past then turn around a week later and says his for it because its part of our heritage???? not only is that a flip flop but a little rascist dont you think? again Obama said his dedicated to a 16th month pullout.
I'd like to see your evidence of that considering the fact that McCain has always been against the confed flag and was hammered by radio jocks who liked Huckabee for not being against it whenever he would campaign in the southern states. You need to stop letting Bravenewfilms and TheRealMcCain(dot)com try to be your encyclopedia on McCain.
funny how you are so anti obama but find so many excuses for Mccain and its not that you like Mccain you just hate Obama so this you can do with a straight face.
Um....you don't get it. BTW I am a Independant who was undecided until the DNC did Hillary in.I never said I didn't like McCain. Truth be told I like McCains ideas over Obamas and I like his service in the military that said I am not happy with alot of the things he has done in the past 5. But like the PUMA crowd I would rather accept McCain's failings and have him as a president than give an unvetted junior senator the throne. Take it or leave it Touggie, that is my position.
Another thing you accuse me of is hating Obama. I know its chic`in this day and age to equate disagreement and non-support with hate but lets be a little bit more honest here. I never said I hate Obama. I greatly disagree with his ideas, personal choices and his ideology but other than that I pretty much don't think about him.
yep BTW mr jackson doesnt really support him? because of his comment about cutting off his nuts has Jeese Jackson come out and say he doesnt support him NO he sounds more fustrated at the fact Obama has made some statements in reference to the black community and felt that Obama shouldnt have done that to the point where whites could further their negative take on the black community Stop all this stupid oppurtunist ranting and raving and start focusing on marking spelling test your better at it
You know what Touggie how about you just stop responding to me and I promise I will ignore you. I have been nothing but civil to you and now you attack me becasue I don't simply deign to love your choice in candidate. I was enjoying the debate we once shared but I don't need someone with vitriol spewing it my way simply because you disagree with my choices. When you grow up a bit more perhaps we can talk again.
a little double standard here I see 1st you point out my spelling like my typing or spelling errors flaws my judgement then the sarcasm with the "distraction" and Dan Qual crap mighty funny how bigticer and all these puma people can get on here and insult people calling them cultist and mr PATATOE head but I give you a little piece of your own medicine you want to cry foul give me a break typical hilliarism encounter competition and you cross your arms and stomp your feet please do me that favor
Well you obviously were oblivious to the smiley I put after the Dan Quayle joke....It was a joke Touggie, I was being silly. Just forget it, you like Obama have become tedious and not worth it.
This election is the TIME to stop the denigration of the political process many have sacrificed to protect. No Obama is not likely to burn the White House down, that would be too obvious. If we continue to allow our votes to be bastardized by Madison Ave. and a handful of powerbrokers then we are colluding with the consequences. Position papers and speeches mean nothing. Wake up people!
It seems that we rather endure a another 4-8 years of republican bullshit just to prove a point that we dont trust anything new or different. honestly what does puma think Obama going to do let the white house burn to the ground? DOes Puma beleive he's going to be BUshes third term? I dont know about that but I do beleive we are runnig a greater risk by letting Mccain in office. How can puma not see this is just be stubborn and selfish by the way yall act Obama should be the one o the GOP ticket
Im a democrat why would I vote for a republican over a campaign refinaince bill. I understand not every republican is not as crazy ass Bush but Macain has done some fucked up shit as republican. Last time a checked they have opposite ideological views then Democrates and to my knowledge MCain has still proven that. With all this distrust for Obama going around because his the new guy we seem to forget all the fuck ups and flip flops Mccain has done.
Very articulate arguments bigticer. Don't you wish the Obamabots would return to sipping their cult kool-aid, and quit whining about their Manchurian Candidate. They have no class just like their annoited one. That was evident at Obama rallies when they booed Obama's praise of Senator Clinton.
I saw Obama's church doctrine on paper way before I saw Rev Wright on T.V. and I wrote Obama off FOREVER. He wrote about pledging allegiance to the Black value system (seperatist racist radical opposite of Martin Luther King). We need a Pres that is not committed to Africa, or the Black value system but to THE USA, and ALL people. This is not Obama.
who cares what republicans think? I dont. Much like I dont care what a Cultist like yourself thinks. Issues are one aspect in judging a candidate. NObama is an unethical liar, and I will not get behind him. Mccain would be much better in office even if I disagree on 90% of where he stands. And before you comment, I know you do not understand my logic, but that may be because you are a Cultist.
You know what George, you just got involved in a conversation you obviously didn't catch up on. My post was not about Obama Democrats hating on McCain it was in response to your post telling BigTicer that Republicans hate him. I guess what black Republicans that exist hate him too right. BTW it was the Dems that fought to keep slaves during the civil war and also blocked abolitionists. I believe it was a Republican that ended slavery so spare me the Democrat race talking points, all have sinned.
Who am I, someone who has been involved in this topic longer than you. I don't beleive The Republican party have embraced racism anymore than I beleive all Democrats are open and loving. Your not caring about some of these issues shows your hubris and ignorance. They cannot be ignored if there is to be progress. All your indignance over slavery means nothing when you disdain blacks that do not think like you. You would enslave them to ideas not their own. Feel sorry for you and your family.
And obviously you are an idiot. Anyone who disagrees with you is a Republican. You bring up Strom Thurmond, okay then what about Robert Byrd, I guess he's a bit of inconvienant history people like you like to ignore when you try to paint others as racist. Don't pretend you understand history and bother getting indignant over race because you understand nothing. I bet your parents are proud proud of a liar and distortionist, who wouldn't know history if it bit him in the ass.
Um, did you ever try checking out Obama's Website? There's no excuse for not knowing where he stands on the issues. He agrees with Hillary on almost everything, so what's the big deal?
We all know about John McCain's temper. It's well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "shit heads," "assholes" and in at least one case "a fucking jerk." He even called his wife a "cunt."
But we know Obama said "sweetie," and that is SO MUCH more offensive!
So, strike a blow to feminism, and vote for McSame (After all, he got a zero rating from Planned Parenthood!)
Do your homework folks...Obama is a DANGEROUS man!!!
What ever happened to the 'WRITE IN VOTE'??? It does exist you know! (even if it's not a wide-spread bit of info)
bigticer...good job...do a vid about 'write-in' vote. Educate these kids. You know they're rooting for their 'pop-star' and know NOTHING ABOUT the man.
If Obama is "dangerous," than Clinton must be equally so -- since they pretty much agree on the issues and vote the same. It makes no sense to be hell-bent on electing Hillary, but dead set against Obama. It defies logic.
Not every anti-Obama dem is a pro-Clinton dem. But, experiance is just ONE difference between the two. Obama is a Marxist, and I'm a liberal. He truly is scary.
you have 10000 vids hating on OBAMA talking about you for social programs but you dont have 1 video promoting any social programs advancement in our communities or anyting that will help our peole where are those videos you talk a bunch of bullshit but no action. this is what motivats you a black man close to the white house? what about the 10 yr old that was killed in N Philly or the black unarmed men gunned down in NY by police what about social security coming to an end? talk about real shit!
You cannot talk about "real shit" when you LOSE elections! what is the point? With that logic, maybe I should make a video about how Batman can lower the crime rate in Philadelphia. It would have just as much impact as a video about NObama as President, because they would be equally impossible.
your not batman nor are you running for office you have the time and knowledge to bring positve input to the attention of peole on you tube but you waist your time on shit talking down a man who at the least talks and acts like he wants cange you obviously dont want things to be better by the ate in your voice
If NObama had more ACTIONS and less speech, maybe I would be for him. But as it stands, he is Unqualified, Unethical, Dishonest, Racially divisive, and Disgraceful. My love of country is bigger than my hate for people unlike me. Can you master and savior say the same thing?
TYPICAL you run from the point and call people names like cultist what is a cultist? someone with a one track mind no motivation for change and runs from the light and whos the cultist mr. PUMA man where did that group come from and whos he leader?.you cant talk or respond to anything positive your to stuck on name caling and clinton breast milk cry baby.
"breast milk" ?? so sexism is your motivation. The video MAKES my point. I'm not running from anything. If I were running, I wouldnt have posted anything. as to the "leader" of PUMA, there is none. it is a sentiment of millions that will NEVER vote for NObama, NEVER.
YOU are running if you care so much and know so much about socail programs speak on then enlighting us give us info we can use. this bullshit wont help our future just makes the future more divisive.
That is not the purpose of THESE videos. These videos are to voice my support for defeating NObama in the fall, so that we can get our party back from the Marxist elements within our ranks.
The purpose of the videos is to show what happens when somebody's candidate loses and they can't except the reality of that. Somebody that has NO IDEA what the issues are, and what the candidates stances are has NO PLACE voicing their opinion. UNEDUCATED would be the term for somebody like that.
go for it, you are speaking the truth and making a lot of sense. I admire you also because you know what you are talking about on these issues and you are a good communicator.
Just listen to how illogical you are. If the Dems are not behind your master and cult leader, what makes you think repubs and independents will get behind him? Your master has no appeal to Clinton dems and it is somehow OUR fault. If we don't like him, there is a reason for it. and i know your master has told you to call us sore losers, but that is inaccurate. It's about the country, not the party. NObama is worse than Mccain so I say Party Unity My Ass. PUMA!
bigticer, you said its "crap" Obama agrees with Clinton on 95% of the issues... You can't even give ONE significant example. People without specifics normally go into generalities. "Obama is waay more liberal..."
So the question is, did you ever give a damn about the democratic policies represented by Hillary? Every way you look at this, you PUMA folks seem to focus on Hillary Clinton and ignore the entire debate on policy differences. I guess denial accompanies irrational actions.
This is why I respect Ron Paul supporters. They dont support Ron Paul, the man, they support his message and what he represents for this nation.
You self-absorbed, superficial Clinton supporters have been exposed as frauds. You never cared about democratic policies, you guys never stood for any philosophy of governance. Otherwise you would support a candidate who has basically EQUAL policies to Clinton. I mean, think about that.
You promote the belief that Democrats stand for nothing.
Here is the proof that you are NOT a Democrat. Referring to Democrats as "Left Wing nuts"??? You ADMIT that Obama and Clinton have closer views then McCain and Clinton, but you would really vote for McCain to SPITE the Democratic Party. This is petty and childish. You would throw away the future of this country and leave the troops in Iraq another "X" amount of years, just because of a silly grudge you have because YOUR candidate didn't get the nomination. Bravo, you must be proud of yourself.
Pay attention everyone: This Cultist actually beleives that anyone who does not fawn after their leader is willing to "throw away the future of this country." I have received some supportive comments thinking I made these videos as a joke. This is no joke. These are Obama Cultists. This is why PUMA is so important.
Whether or not the troops stay in Iraq IS the future of this country. Whether or not we go into recession IS the future of this country. Whether or not we have a President who understands the issues that affect the millions of Americans living in poverty IS the future of this country. Its great that you can disregard the current socio-economic status of this country to further your own selfish Pro-Hillary agenda. Do you even know what your talking about?
Cultists beleive their leader is the answer to all the country's ills. Any dissent is regarded as Clinton fanaticism, racsim, cynicism, conservatism, or stubborness. They fail to understand that some people are not Pro-Mccain, but they are Anti-Obama.
Your failing to address and REAL issues, and once again diverting a valid point about "the future of this country", and you yourself have said you are a Clinton supporter. What do any of these videos have to do with how the candidates would address VALID issues? Its your social commentary on issues that have NOTHING to do with this election, or who is more fit to be President and why. All your doing is changing the subject in an intelligent way, while COMPLETELY failing to see the point.
unityforobama - U should watch the nobama cult video made by bigticer. It accurately describes the Obama following. It is impossible to argue 'the valid issues' where Obama is concerned. He has proven no stance on anything. His few year voting history consists of refusal 2 vote (present), claiming he pushed the wrong button on 5 votes and claiming he just voted the way the repbulicans told him to on the other votes - you can find this SAID BY Obama on the news with a couple easy searches.
unityforobama - my point is, with no history of making change - or even trying 2 accomplish anything, all we have is his character to guide us. His character is seen by who he surrounds himself with, what he says about himself in his book and how well he keeps his word. in case you dont know this - he has spent his entire life contributing to racist organizations, attending hate filled racist functions, associating with criminals, outwardly lying and doing drugs. NUFF SAID
2. Since we dont elect a dictator, you vote for the policies and philosophy the person would try to influence in government.
YOU, on the other hand, vote for the person you like bestest. Isnt that cute.
At least be honest in your videos man. You dont give a damn about the politics of this nation, you just wanted Hillary Clinton to win. You're a sad voter.
Please inform me of Hussein's policies. We know nothing (good anyway, he has a bad, if small, record)about the man.
None of the choices offered us were really 'worthy', and we really don't have to choose among them...we can do a 'write-in') but just WHAT are Obama's qualifications?
1. Goodlooking black man
2. Speaks well (sometimes)
3. ??????
Wake up kids, this is serious. A Rock Star won't cut it!
You want me to inform you of "Hussein's" policies? Just refer to Hillary's policies. But I guess that would point out how irrational that questioning is, less you dont mind concluding both support horrible policies, but that doesnt apply for people in denial about their candidate.
Also, if none of the choices are worthy, does it make sense to single one person out??
P.S. Obama is half white... In mathamatics, we understand half of something doesnt equal a whole of something else. Idiot.
As I've said before, bigticer, these kids are into their 'Rock Star'. They don't do their political research, they go for charm and they'll live to regret it.
Thank you for speaking with conscience and sanity Bigticer. This is what we need not the populist hangers-on that have thrown in lock, stock and barrel with Obama when he has shown us nothing. Given us nothing.
GIve the man a fucking chance damn. When was the last president in history with all the experience in the world turned out to be this perfect leader let alone perfect politician.
If that was directed at me Touggie then no......Granted there are no perfect people or Presidents but this is about who we think is best for the job. If you think Obama is best that is on you, but we feel different and with his lack of experience, Way liberal voting record, no list of achievements in Senate and character flaws, we feel differently about him than you. Besides if we did give him a chance and wanted him out that would never happen, so best to keep him out all together.
I say he is qualified for the job, and by default is the only choice left. You and your brethren threw away this election with your Stalinist appeal to the most gullable in our society. Hope and Change does not mean shit when you lose elections.
to my understanding you beleive GWb was qualified for the job correct? and if so with all the qualifications what the hell good did that shit do us? NONE what so ever so yu can throw that qualification shit out the window and start baseing this arguement off ambitions, judgment, character and the will to turn this country around in the right direction. Let me guest you believe MCcain is the man to do this?
Oh, you're very right, being a 2 term governor of the 2nd most populous state is not valid experiance. lol. Thats one of the problems with your Cultist mentality. I hate GW Bush too, but the reason is policy. Just because I disagree with his political approach, does not mean he was an inexperianced candidate. By that measure, every dem who is over 35 and against the war would be qualified. go look at obamavsobama . com and then come talk to me about "judgement"
I never said GWB was not experienced CULTIST OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ! MY point was with all that EXPERIENCE what good has he done? Why we are on that GWB experience lets talk about it: Texas under his administration executed more prisoner mainly black during his terms also he may have one of the fatest back pockets out of any lobbyist inclined Governor to date. Yeah some experience. I guess thats why his good at getting soldiers killed and pimping the middle east and not politics.
I personally believe so, yes. I believe McCain has served in the service of the people longer, his experience and voting record though I don't always agree with them are more experienced and wider ranging. His attempts at creating bipartisanship even at the cost of alienating his own party speaks volumes over Obama that says he wants to be a "uniter" but has no record of such accomplishments. That said McCain is not perfect, nor is he my "ideal" candidate but he is my choice for this election.
so why dont you just become a republican? If that is all it takes to win you over, someone alienating their party or service in the military. why should one have to be captured in a war to have the feeling to unite people? can't me and you have the feeling and Idea of unification? and Im not a politician. by the way does MCcain have any record of unity?
Well, that assumes that what you say about someone alienating their own party and serving in the military is all. Its not, neither is what I said a wholly Republican ideal. As an Independant and mostly undecided voter until now, I am sure there are many Democrats that have done the same things McCain has done, but they are not in this election. I also never said anything about anyone being a POW being a cause for feelings of unity. (continued below)
Both of us can find things to agree on and perhaps unify around a candidate that we both agree on, but I don't believe Obama to be it and it sounds like you don't believe McCain to be it. As far as McCain having a record of unity, he has spurred bipartisan bills like Campaign Finance Reform that both parties accepted. He also has had a glaring failure such as the bipartisan Immigration bill. But he has really tried. I don't see that with Obama (continued below)
Now keep in mind that Obama wants to be a uniter and bipartisan. Then why has he been seen as a staunch liberal democrat record. Seems to me there ought to be a little give and take there. Congressional Quarterly says that 97% of the time Obama voted with the Democratic party and that he refused to join the Gang of 14. Some even refer to his voting record as doctrinaire. To me this doesn't sound like a bipartisan guy and sure anyone can change after seeing a mistake (continued below)
or realizing they should have been more flexible, but how do we know that he isn't throwing the unity thing around out of politcal expediancy? Politicians do/say things to get votes all the time. Like I said before McCain is not perfect, there are a few things in his history I don't necessarily agree with but as far as Obama there are alot of things in his history I don't agree with.
We really dont know if this is all a hoex. Like I said before Im not stupid or a Obama worshipper Im a realist and a democrate. We dont know but I do KNow what MCain is about. I do know what the republicans do everytime they get in office. I do know what BUsh has done in the last 8 years and I see MCcain starting to fall in line. Im a democrate I can't see myself voting for a Republican with no liberal atributes. Id rather vote for a democrate that shows the will and ambition.
But see you say that as if you have some empirical proof that Obama will be liberal all the time and that McCain will not be the same rebel he has always been. What if Obama changes his atributes and becomes more conservative. Bush may have run as a conservative but he is far from it in alot of peoples eyes. It could happen and then what of your ideals and reason for choosing Obama. I don't know if your vision sounds very realistic or more idealistic.
I unerstand your views your more of a play it safe guy which is cool. but, realisticly I know what Mccain is capable of. I know he can chage his mind like the weather giving the fact he is a rebel in his own party I cant imagine him really carring about are issues. I give you that the fact Obama might swing from center to left giving the fact he is a new guy and may be paying it so safe to the point he doesnt want to disturb but I dont see Obama abandoning the core values of a Dem I rather CONT.
But don't you see.....Obama is abandoning core values and will have to if he is to truely be bipartisan. McCain has a record spanning 30years of votes and maverick behavior against his parties bottom line which Obama doesn't have. Obama is now courting the Evangelicals and the Iraq war supporters now with his latest statements. What would you do if he couldn't remain liberal in trying to be bipartisan. Would that be okay with you.
Get a life Cultist. you come to my videos day after day because your lord and master cannot be questioned. at least mccain shows his butt up to actually vote, unlike your god NObama, who has one of the worst attendence records in the senate.
Once again I prove you wrong and once again you divert attention so that my comments don't detract from your CULTIST statements. Master Clinton sends you her love for continuing to distort the truth in your own best interests, we all know she's done it.
so he Mccain shows up and votes on the behalf of who? not me and you I suppose so what difference does it make if he has a good attendance policy that good attendance record just proves how much hes out to deafeat any democratic idea from being implemented. Thanks for the GOOD news.
Well, McCain shows up and votes firstly for his constituents but every person in the Senate has their own voting responsibility and he realizes he will have to have a good record. A record that reflects not only his beliefs but that he is not afraid to give an up or down vote. Obama....well, he has voted but he has abstained or not shown up for votes more than he has voted. Thats not really a good thing when you realize that he is a represntative of his people.
Yeah and I don' suppose you could give me a source for your assertion that McCain voted 100% with Bush. I at least gave a source for my assertion about Obama. The estimates I have seen for McCain is 80 to 75% siding with Republicans from Pew and CQ. What makes him bipartisan is his sponsorship of bills that get passed by both parties. Where's Obamas bipartisan bills or efforts?
Hey, you can knock GWB approval record but look at the liberal Democrat congress. Their approval is even less, and even in now they refuse to listen to the will of the people. That said they did vote for it twice, which if Obama is elected he will have to respect for the beginning of his presidency but that was out of politcal expediency once again. Violence is down in Iraq and the congress that wants failure there has been forced to realize the govt there is making progress.
Im aware you never said that I was making a point. But, you are saying that because of Mccins history he will pass bills that the democrats could appreciate and in 2012 we would all rally around him oppose to the job your predictions tell you about how Obama will fair as are president.
I believe McCain will be able to pass bills that the democrats could appreciate. He has done so before so I believe he can. I don't believe Obama will just because he can get people to rally around the mantra "change".
The cost of hopefully choosing the best person to lead this country. Are you so certian that Obama will be the best. If so, let be borrow that crystal ball please.
I have an idea how to show the DNC that we are not just going to "fall in line"
If you have donated to Hillary Clinton this year and are planning to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama, go and donate at least one time to John McCain. Even if its 5 dollars. Just get your name on both donor lists. The DNC hates losing donors more than anything. I think this will send the appropriate message to Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama himself. Buy a t-shirt, it counts as a donation too. PUMA
Oh, and John McCain could come to my house and slap my momma and I still wouldn't vote for Barry Obama. PUMA is a great thing. Honestly I wished Hillary would have taken this all the way to the convention and if she didn't get the nomination, burn the place to the ground. And as she's walking out, she throws her middle finger over her shoulder and all her supporters follow. Then she begins the PUMA Party (or The Bull Moose Party) I think she actually could win as a 3rd party candidate.
REGGIN SSA DIPUTS TAHT KCUF!!!!!
Bigticer hates you niggers
UltraDoogish 2 years ago
He must feel like a Genius. What a Bitch Ass Nigga
jxford 2 years ago
Social liberal and Fiscal conservative = Libertarian
AllThatRemains15 3 years ago
GO PUMAS!
LawrenceErnie 3 years ago
You Rock! I completely agree with all of your videos and I you really know what you are talking about!
sosforjonas 3 years ago
You're a liberal? Damnit! I really think you've got some good points/material.
UnderTheBridge67 3 years ago
Obama is a 2nd jimmy carter,he and his lefty supporters are not jobs
Soldier0016 3 years ago 2
sorry I meant nut jobs
Soldier0016 3 years ago
what am the most tired of is hearing how McCain will be just like Bush, this is the liberal fucktards being brainwashed to believe everything obama presents.
UGLYSTIKCOLIN 3 years ago 3
I'm a republican. If Hillary had gotten the Dem nomination, I'd be making an equivalent video of this for Republicans: vote for Hillary and hand the GOP a 10 point loss so we can shake up our party, rid it of corruption and get to where we can make the country a better place. Hillary, I'd be able to stomach. Obama is WAY to extreme. My vote isn't "for" McCain, rather its against Obama. I agree with your referencing Washington's warning against parties and factions. This whole election is sad.
gabegx 3 years ago
are you trying to say that you would be more satisfied by mccain as POTUS than obama? You would rather have my generation pay for FOUR more years of debt, FOUR more years of Bush like policy. thanks a lot.
dip4u2 3 years ago
yup. It's better than NObama.
bigticer 3 years ago
I'd rather have Bush III over Carter II
goosehunter3492 3 years ago 5
This is amazing...
You Hillary supporter's little temper tantrums are going to cost us trillions of dollars in a war we don't need to be in, thousands of lives and will only line the pockets of big business.
The logic Hillary supporters are showing is that of a 5 year old child, "if I cry long enough I'll eventually get a cookie"
Well the cookie is recession and 4 more years of the same unconstitutional BS we've put up with for the last 8 years.
GOOD JOB! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
themange59 3 years ago
Thanks for helping McCain!
I can't wait till he makes Abortion Illegal and taxes the middle class into poverty.
I am rich and hate women, so again I thank you for helping the cause!
Thanks, keep up the great work!
georgep922 3 years ago
get a life. John Mccain is not going to be the end of the world. Even as a democrat, I'm prepared to deal with Mccain. NObama? hell no.
bigticer 3 years ago
So I am sure you thought Bush was delightful right?
World Peace, remember that?
Clinton was all about it.
Keep pretending your a democrat.
Im sure Sean Hannity will let you eat at his table. Im sure you are not too exotic for him.
georgep922 3 years ago
bigticer, please- YOU get a life. Your arguments are wack. Hillary LOST by a better campaign. Quit bitching! If you followed Hillary on issues and lost, Obama is a logical choice based on ISSUES which is a total contrast to McCain.
Please LittleTicer, a ballooned deficit, rising unemployment, weak dollar, etc. and you want to teach HOW TO BEAT OBAMA? Please!
Do all a favor, move out of your mamma's basement, get a job, and READ THE ISSUES.
PUMA my ASS- Hillary LOST, move forward!
kswing88 3 years ago
Have fun voting for your racist Obama. "Destroy the white oppressor." Imagine if John McCain went to a church that said "Destroy the black savages." Stop and think. No way in hell would you vote for him. Racism is racism doesn't matter who it comes from. Don't support a racist.
negroallstar 3 years ago 3
*starts slow clap*
homestar92 3 years ago
Bigticer, I salute you. Nice work. Thanks
85YotaMudder 3 years ago
Yes, his parents are so proud.
He grew to lick the boots of right wing bigots like Rush Limbaugh.
Wow, what progress in america.
georgep922 3 years ago
thanks UNCLE TOM!But thats just my personal opinion. Its amazing to me how you speak in such an arrogant tone when the truth is your just a moron for voting for mccain over obama when mccains stances are wayyy different than hillarys, while Obamas and hillarys are nearly identical
clarkallard 3 years ago
Wow, McCain's first black friend!
georgep922 3 years ago
wowie.. Here is someone who likes the sound of his own voice.
mbananawork 3 years ago
Whatever, vote for whoever you want.
I don't get the whole "I like social programs but not taxes" thing. It makes NO sense. Everyone wants free crap without paying for it, but the world doesn't work that way. I LOVE how all the soc. lib/fisc. cons. always call for cuts without specifying what should be cut. You can't pay for programs without funds and you don't get funds without taxes. I guess you like big deficits. In that case you should vote for McCain.
renesitam 3 years ago
This guy is pretty lost with comparison of Hillary and Obama. Based on their voting record they are political twins. One could say Hillary was more liberal with her Oil wind profit tax and Mandatory Healthcare plan. Most of what says makes him look like a Jackass for Puma.
tbomb01 3 years ago
You only beleive what NObama tells you. You are either too lazy, or too stupid to do any real research. If it is on the "fightthesmears" website, than it must be true right? Get a life. All of your PUMA trolling doesn't do anything but make me and others even more dedicated to McCain; which is a feat unto itself. Hillary is NOT identical to NObama. One is an unqualified piece of shit who is wasting everyone's time and $ with a $500 million sociology experiement. The other is Hillary.
bigticer 3 years ago
all of your Obama bashing only makes our convictions stronger. We can all thank Puma for dividing the party as well.
touggie2000 3 years ago
IT seems to me these puma nuts have let hillary use them one last time. I have to admit the clintons are the best at munipulating people hell they had an office in harlem diversified the white house now they seen puma coming a mile away and sucked them dry. $10,000,000 so I guess she needed the money more then all these social programs whos funds are being cut because of the state of the economy. pUMA aint shit but loud mouth Obama hating hypocrites. They worship the ground the clintons walk on
touggie2000 3 years ago
Dude, This guy and the Puma Bitches are idiots. The Election Electorate shows the only chance that democrats had to take back the whitehouse is with Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton is too Polorizing and would have awakened the Conservative right to beat her down to submission. As if she didn't do it herself. John Mcsame and Billary have one thing in common. Defeated by Obama in 08!
jxford 3 years ago
Thank God these videos are dated. Come back on Nov 5th and tell me if you still hold those views.
bigticer 3 years ago
As a self proclaimed social liberal how do you really feel about the PUMA CULT group raising 10,000,000 to pay of hillary clintons debt when she already has close to a billion dollars between her and bill sounds a little contridictive to me. PUMA claims to be for the people and want to live out hillarys words and agenda on social programs but it seems to me yu rathe make the richer richer and keep coming on you tube blowing smoke out your ass about OBAMA.
touggie2000 3 years ago
PUMA PRIDE
Party Unity My Ass is right! Obama is a fake-ass Liberal. He voted for fucking FISA!
FUCKING COMMUNIST, OBAMA! COMMUNIST!
Obama is just another Pro-Bush Democrat.
GavinVox68 3 years ago 2
Other PUMA sites don't even bother to insult me, they just delete all my messages. Apparently no dissenting opinions are to be tolerated, no matter how civil or restrained. That speaks volumes about your group and how fragile its "convictions" really are.
Symmetry3579 3 years ago
Great video, my PUMA brother! All you Obama supporters just spout hate and bigotry, definitely not reflecting this "UNITY" and making you Obama supporters HYPOCRITES!
morel0396 3 years ago
LiKe I said a CULT "my puma brother" CULTIST CULTIST CULTIST talking about hate CBRASTUS has a picture of obama and Amajad standing together and I know A man who has 10 bumper stickers on the back of his car all hateing on Obama like who doest that type of shit HATERS, 10 BUMPER STICKERS!!!! thats nuts. so dont talk that hate shit when PUMA has nothen but negative comments on a person you dont even know never even met. Supporters support and voters vote CULTIST HATE!
touggie2000 3 years ago
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reprendre du renaud qui a déjà une voix à chier en faisant pire faut quand même être sacrément balèze en matière de nullité. Enfin aubert a toujours été un nul avec McCain sa voix d'adolescent prépubère. quand à l'autre n'en parlons pas une catastophe à tous points due vues sauf le cul.
blueangelfish1 3 years ago
haha
unityforobama 3 years ago
I still can't believe Obama chickened out of the Town Hall meetings with McCain. I guess Obama does not want to do away with his beloved speech writer and teleprompter. God forbid, he might have to answer some questions on his own!
Let's face it...Hillary was the better candidate BY FAR. Too many dems reacted on emotion and not thought; one of our (democrats) big 'failings' it seems.
CBERASTUS 3 years ago 3
Hillary lied REPEATEDLY. Not only about where she was and what she did, but about supporting NAFTA, and she also COMPLETELY flip-flopped on the war in Iraq, but the loyal Clinton cultists conveniently disregard that. Not only that but Bill Clinton's Presidential Library takes MILLIONS in donations from Saudis and other Arab countries. Quit skewing facts to your own benefit Clinton cultists! She lost, GET OVER IT!
midovaloryn 3 years ago
Right - she lost - but that doesn't mean I have to support an inexperienced, unqualified candidate. McCain is very much the better candidate after Hillary. Sorry, but I will use 'thought' to drive my vote...not 'emotion.' ;)
CBERASTUS 3 years ago 2
so this is the trend we set from here on out if the democrate that we dont like makes it to the general election just vote for the republican and start a cultist group as the foundation??????????? Im not bying it.
touggie2000 3 years ago
No trend..just a personal choice of mine.
Obama is and unqualified, inexperienced freshman senator. I don't want to hand the Presidential reigns over to a neophyte.
Go McCain!!! (former Hillary supporter)
PUMA!!!!!!!!!!!!
CBERASTUS 3 years ago 2
I agree with you. For me, I don't agree 100%with the "issues" of either party platform. For me, its not about the "issues," its about experience. Clinton and McCain have the experience needed put this country in the right direction.
Bush had no experience and Obama is just another Bush . . . Obama is Bush III. Look at his record . . . oops, I forgot, his papers in IL have been destroyed and he either voted "present" or hit the wrong button. God help us.
Zeusdad3 3 years ago 2
GO PUMA!
Country before Party.
Zeusdad3 3 years ago
A true Republican, or a true Democrat, is someone who puts their party above their principles and their candidate above their conscience
unityforobama 3 years ago
You Sir have a very good head on your shoulders. Last time I checked America had not yet been transformed into Nazi Germany. This is still a free country and we do not HAVE to vote for anyone we don't want to. The party choose to SELECT a rookie Senator with little grasp on the issues and numerous radical connections. And people have to nerve to question why we don't want to vote for him.
PrincesseJen 3 years ago
I am also a PUMA, except I am an economic populist and social moderate. I am against Obama because of his flip flops on Iraq, gun control, civil liberties and other issues. And his lies about his assosiation with Reverand Wright and that he voted against the Victims Born Alive Protection Act which would protected babies born after a failed abortion attempt and supports coercing the American taxpayers into funding abortion and abortion providors. I am not wasting my vote on Obama or McCain.
BladeEdge86 3 years ago
Bigticer: This is my first disagreement with you. The race isn't lost yet. We aim to have Clinton reinstated at the convention and as the presidential nominee. We've got a lot of time left before August and the superdels are watching and, hopefully, paying attention to who is the truly electable candidate. We Dems should have been able to put Mr. Potato Head up against the Repubs this year with a blowout. The fact that BO is polling about even with McCain is the first clue to how bad he is
justiceforhill 3 years ago
keep ramping up my total views, Cultist.
bigticer 3 years ago
YOU BLOCKED "EKSartist" FROM POSTING COMMENTS ON HERE YOU CULTIST! WHO'S THE LYING CULTIST NOW?
unityforobama 3 years ago
Have Obama come as Obama a leftist thing swing towards some center views like a clinton then have Mccain pose as a moderate still a REPUBLICAN then start to lean more towards Bushes policies as he has done so far I think that is playing it more carful then voting for Mccain because of Obamas enexperience.
touggie2000 3 years ago
Yeah well keep looking at Obama. Just yesterday he said to the Evangelical community which is about as far right as you can get that he will continue Bush's Faith Based Initiatives. That pissed off alot of his supporters on the left and threw some doubt as to his sincereity into the mix. Now he is saying he is going to see how he should go about withdrawl from Iraq once he gets back. Sounds like he is positioning himself for a swing towards the right. (to be continued)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Which will be another flip flop that can be highlighted by McCain and his supporters. Not only that but as usuall most Americans forget about the Independant candidate in this race....The ever stalwart Nader has positioned himself as an anti-war candidate and could seize on the fact of Obama being a flip flopper if he sounds the least bit swayed to not pull troops out of Iraq straightaway. How would Obama deal with that!
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
HE said he is still dedicated to a 16 month pull out but is refining the pull out strategy. Also he would bring most of the troops home and may put in place a counter strike incase of a potential reprisal of the insurgency. Pat Bucahnnon had to even defend that position. BUt do you see how your being very contradictive for the sake of Obama bashing Your perfectly fine with Mcain swing all over the place as a rebel but you cant see that Obama is doing this inlight of not eliminating anyone cont.
touggie2000 3 years ago
I'm being condradictive...Okay so when Obama launches his campaign on an anti Iraq war policy with promises of full troop pullouts if he is president and then sounds like he spoke too soon were not supposed to notice. It was Obama that closed the door on Iraq with his statements on how he was going to pull out the troops. To say anything different now shows he is flip flopping and the difference between that and McCain is lightyears but someone who hates McCain because he is (to be contd)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Republican is not going to care anyway. McCain has flipped his position on many things but he never stated that he was definately opposed to the things he has changed his position on. Fuel for example, he still wants no drilling in ANWR but is changed his position on drilling overall because he hears the voice of the people that want drilling now, nuclear energy now. Obama can say he is changing his view because he realizes Iraq is working now but he should have never come off as a (to be contd)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
staunch anti-war, anti-Iraq politician who blasted others for their wait and see approach. This is why McCain emplored him to go to Iraq and see if there was any progress there. But hey, Obama is going to do what he wants to do. So basically you are trying to compare McCain and Obama's actions which given their histories and platforms is untenable. McCain has always had the wait and see approach where as Obama is just now realizing he should have. Its not my fault or others for noticing.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Mccain has a wait and see approach? So wahy didnt he wait and see the black voter reaction in south carolina when he first claimed to be against the confederate flag atop the state building saying it portrays a rascist part of our nations past then turn around a week later and says his for it because its part of our heritage???? not only is that a flip flop but a little rascist dont you think? again Obama said his dedicated to a 16th month pullout.
touggie2000 3 years ago
I'd like to see your evidence of that considering the fact that McCain has always been against the confed flag and was hammered by radio jocks who liked Huckabee for not being against it whenever he would campaign in the southern states. You need to stop letting Bravenewfilms and TheRealMcCain(dot)com try to be your encyclopedia on McCain.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
funny how you are so anti obama but find so many excuses for Mccain and its not that you like Mccain you just hate Obama so this you can do with a straight face.
touggie2000 3 years ago
Um....you don't get it. BTW I am a Independant who was undecided until the DNC did Hillary in.I never said I didn't like McCain. Truth be told I like McCains ideas over Obamas and I like his service in the military that said I am not happy with alot of the things he has done in the past 5. But like the PUMA crowd I would rather accept McCain's failings and have him as a president than give an unvetted junior senator the throne. Take it or leave it Touggie, that is my position.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Another thing you accuse me of is hating Obama. I know its chic`in this day and age to equate disagreement and non-support with hate but lets be a little bit more honest here. I never said I hate Obama. I greatly disagree with his ideas, personal choices and his ideology but other than that I pretty much don't think about him.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
I didnt accuse you of hate because of your disagreement but rather your name calling like Mr. Potatoe head????
touggie2000 3 years ago
That wasn't me that called anyone Mr. Potato head. Also spell it without the "e" otherwise you give credance to the Dan Quayles of the world. :)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
another 2nd grade teacher making talking points instead of sticking to the issues typical of a mccain supporter
touggie2000 3 years ago
Hey, you were the one who accused me of calling Obama Mr.Potato head and then mispelled it. I guess it was all a "distraction" huh.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
no distractions Mrs crabtree the only distraction here is the puma stamp sitting on your fore head!
touggie2000 3 years ago
BTW how are you liking Jesse Jackson's attack on Obama. Kinda sad when Jackson doesn't even really support him.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
yep BTW mr jackson doesnt really support him? because of his comment about cutting off his nuts has Jeese Jackson come out and say he doesnt support him NO he sounds more fustrated at the fact Obama has made some statements in reference to the black community and felt that Obama shouldnt have done that to the point where whites could further their negative take on the black community Stop all this stupid oppurtunist ranting and raving and start focusing on marking spelling test your better at it
touggie2000 3 years ago
You know what Touggie how about you just stop responding to me and I promise I will ignore you. I have been nothing but civil to you and now you attack me becasue I don't simply deign to love your choice in candidate. I was enjoying the debate we once shared but I don't need someone with vitriol spewing it my way simply because you disagree with my choices. When you grow up a bit more perhaps we can talk again.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
a little double standard here I see 1st you point out my spelling like my typing or spelling errors flaws my judgement then the sarcasm with the "distraction" and Dan Qual crap mighty funny how bigticer and all these puma people can get on here and insult people calling them cultist and mr PATATOE head but I give you a little piece of your own medicine you want to cry foul give me a break typical hilliarism encounter competition and you cross your arms and stomp your feet please do me that favor
touggie2000 3 years ago
Well you obviously were oblivious to the smiley I put after the Dan Quayle joke....It was a joke Touggie, I was being silly. Just forget it, you like Obama have become tedious and not worth it.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
This election is the TIME to stop the denigration of the political process many have sacrificed to protect. No Obama is not likely to burn the White House down, that would be too obvious. If we continue to allow our votes to be bastardized by Madison Ave. and a handful of powerbrokers then we are colluding with the consequences. Position papers and speeches mean nothing. Wake up people!
roxy5892 3 years ago
It seems that we rather endure a another 4-8 years of republican bullshit just to prove a point that we dont trust anything new or different. honestly what does puma think Obama going to do let the white house burn to the ground? DOes Puma beleive he's going to be BUshes third term? I dont know about that but I do beleive we are runnig a greater risk by letting Mccain in office. How can puma not see this is just be stubborn and selfish by the way yall act Obama should be the one o the GOP ticket
touggie2000 3 years ago
Im a democrat why would I vote for a republican over a campaign refinaince bill. I understand not every republican is not as crazy ass Bush but Macain has done some fucked up shit as republican. Last time a checked they have opposite ideological views then Democrates and to my knowledge MCain has still proven that. With all this distrust for Obama going around because his the new guy we seem to forget all the fuck ups and flip flops Mccain has done.
touggie2000 3 years ago
Very articulate arguments bigticer. Don't you wish the Obamabots would return to sipping their cult kool-aid, and quit whining about their Manchurian Candidate. They have no class just like their annoited one. That was evident at Obama rallies when they booed Obama's praise of Senator Clinton.
luvguins 3 years ago
I saw Obama's church doctrine on paper way before I saw Rev Wright on T.V. and I wrote Obama off FOREVER. He wrote about pledging allegiance to the Black value system (seperatist racist radical opposite of Martin Luther King). We need a Pres that is not committed to Africa, or the Black value system but to THE USA, and ALL people. This is not Obama.
sunbeansnflowersluv 3 years ago
Dont you realize Republicans HATE you?
idiot
georgep922 3 years ago
who cares what republicans think? I dont. Much like I dont care what a Cultist like yourself thinks. Issues are one aspect in judging a candidate. NObama is an unethical liar, and I will not get behind him. Mccain would be much better in office even if I disagree on 90% of where he stands. And before you comment, I know you do not understand my logic, but that may be because you are a Cultist.
bigticer 3 years ago
So you support the Republican agenda of racism and religious bigotry.
I just dont understand how anyone who is not white with a western name would ever vote for a party that thrives on racial hatred.
And you will vote for someone you disagree with 90%, wow what a franchise.
So you vote for your oprresors, and you barely agree with them.
Wow what a franchise we have in America.
georgep922 3 years ago
I see more hating on him by the Obama Democrats than I do with Republicans.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Ok, tell me the last time "Obama Democrats" used racial hatred against McCain.
didnt think so.
I know I know, we are all sad that the Southern Strategy (ie racism to win elections, started by Nixon) has failed so miseably.
I know I know, white is right blah blah blah...
georgep922 3 years ago
You know what George, you just got involved in a conversation you obviously didn't catch up on. My post was not about Obama Democrats hating on McCain it was in response to your post telling BigTicer that Republicans hate him. I guess what black Republicans that exist hate him too right. BTW it was the Dems that fought to keep slaves during the civil war and also blocked abolitionists. I believe it was a Republican that ended slavery so spare me the Democrat race talking points, all have sinned.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Who are you and why should I care.
Look one party has embraced racism as a corner stone and that is republicans, its not opinion its solid fact.
I dont give a shit what happened in 1864, 99% of whites were racist, and if the Dems freed the slaves, what am I supposed to do brag about it?
Any culture who enslaves other humans should be ashamed, the politician that signed the paper is no hero.
Black republicans, maybe the saddest and funniest oxymoron I have ever seen.
feel sorry for your fam
georgep922 3 years ago
Who am I, someone who has been involved in this topic longer than you. I don't beleive The Republican party have embraced racism anymore than I beleive all Democrats are open and loving. Your not caring about some of these issues shows your hubris and ignorance. They cannot be ignored if there is to be progress. All your indignance over slavery means nothing when you disdain blacks that do not think like you. You would enslave them to ideas not their own. Feel sorry for you and your family.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Obviously you are a republican.
If you are black like the republican foaming at the mouth in this video, what a trajedy.
You are bowing to the party that praised Strum Thurmond up to his death.
I know it's hard to admit that you vote for a political agenda building on destroying all minorities than thats your problem.
My parents moved to this country to escape religious oppresion of their own country.
They are proud that I practice the values they raised me with.
georgep922 3 years ago
And obviously you are an idiot. Anyone who disagrees with you is a Republican. You bring up Strom Thurmond, okay then what about Robert Byrd, I guess he's a bit of inconvienant history people like you like to ignore when you try to paint others as racist. Don't pretend you understand history and bother getting indignant over race because you understand nothing. I bet your parents are proud proud of a liar and distortionist, who wouldn't know history if it bit him in the ass.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
does every soldier make a good social worker or vise versa NO!!
touggie2000 3 years ago
does every Cultist make a good judge of character or vise versa? NO!!
bigticer 3 years ago
Just say NO to PUMA Cultists!!!
EKSartist 3 years ago
I am on the Fellowship and I cant wait when we win in 2008 and prove bigticer wrong!
MitchellLarkins 3 years ago
you just sound bitter
andrewmorales321 3 years ago
Um, did you ever try checking out Obama's Website? There's no excuse for not knowing where he stands on the issues. He agrees with Hillary on almost everything, so what's the big deal?
This PUMA stuff is just sour grapes.
AlanShriver 3 years ago
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VOTE FOR MCNASTY! (Bush's third term!)
We all know about John McCain's temper. It's well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "shit heads," "assholes" and in at least one case "a fucking jerk." He even called his wife a "cunt."
But we know Obama said "sweetie," and that is SO MUCH more offensive!
So, strike a blow to feminism, and vote for McSame (After all, he got a zero rating from Planned Parenthood!)
EKSartist 3 years ago
Do your homework folks...Obama is a DANGEROUS man!!!
What ever happened to the 'WRITE IN VOTE'??? It does exist you know! (even if it's not a wide-spread bit of info)
bigticer...good job...do a vid about 'write-in' vote. Educate these kids. You know they're rooting for their 'pop-star' and know NOTHING ABOUT the man.
sgt1035 3 years ago
If Obama is "dangerous," than Clinton must be equally so -- since they pretty much agree on the issues and vote the same. It makes no sense to be hell-bent on electing Hillary, but dead set against Obama. It defies logic.
EKSartist 3 years ago 2
Not every anti-Obama dem is a pro-Clinton dem. But, experiance is just ONE difference between the two. Obama is a Marxist, and I'm a liberal. He truly is scary.
bigticer 3 years ago
you have 10000 vids hating on OBAMA talking about you for social programs but you dont have 1 video promoting any social programs advancement in our communities or anyting that will help our peole where are those videos you talk a bunch of bullshit but no action. this is what motivats you a black man close to the white house? what about the 10 yr old that was killed in N Philly or the black unarmed men gunned down in NY by police what about social security coming to an end? talk about real shit!
touggie2000 3 years ago
You cannot talk about "real shit" when you LOSE elections! what is the point? With that logic, maybe I should make a video about how Batman can lower the crime rate in Philadelphia. It would have just as much impact as a video about NObama as President, because they would be equally impossible.
bigticer 3 years ago
your not batman nor are you running for office you have the time and knowledge to bring positve input to the attention of peole on you tube but you waist your time on shit talking down a man who at the least talks and acts like he wants cange you obviously dont want things to be better by the ate in your voice
touggie2000 3 years ago
If NObama had more ACTIONS and less speech, maybe I would be for him. But as it stands, he is Unqualified, Unethical, Dishonest, Racially divisive, and Disgraceful. My love of country is bigger than my hate for people unlike me. Can you master and savior say the same thing?
bigticer 3 years ago
TYPICAL you run from the point and call people names like cultist what is a cultist? someone with a one track mind no motivation for change and runs from the light and whos the cultist mr. PUMA man where did that group come from and whos he leader?.you cant talk or respond to anything positive your to stuck on name caling and clinton breast milk cry baby.
touggie2000 3 years ago
"breast milk" ?? so sexism is your motivation. The video MAKES my point. I'm not running from anything. If I were running, I wouldnt have posted anything. as to the "leader" of PUMA, there is none. it is a sentiment of millions that will NEVER vote for NObama, NEVER.
bigticer 3 years ago
NEVER NEEVVVERRR!!!! CULTIST like I said LMAO!
YOU are running if you care so much and know so much about socail programs speak on then enlighting us give us info we can use. this bullshit wont help our future just makes the future more divisive.
touggie2000 3 years ago
That is not the purpose of THESE videos. These videos are to voice my support for defeating NObama in the fall, so that we can get our party back from the Marxist elements within our ranks.
bigticer 3 years ago
now you sound like some 1950s red neck running around calling people commis get a life.
touggie2000 3 years ago
The purpose of the videos is to show what happens when somebody's candidate loses and they can't except the reality of that. Somebody that has NO IDEA what the issues are, and what the candidates stances are has NO PLACE voicing their opinion. UNEDUCATED would be the term for somebody like that.
gibrom 3 years ago
go for it, you are speaking the truth and making a lot of sense. I admire you also because you know what you are talking about on these issues and you are a good communicator.
PUMAALLIANCE 3 years ago
yeah breast milk thats not sexist i was breast feed as a baby better than whole milk stop trying to cause distractions MR. Hannity
touggie2000 3 years ago
"Not every anti-Obama dem is a pro-Clinton dem", but Most, LIKE YOU, ARE!
unityforobama 3 years ago
Just listen to how illogical you are. If the Dems are not behind your master and cult leader, what makes you think repubs and independents will get behind him? Your master has no appeal to Clinton dems and it is somehow OUR fault. If we don't like him, there is a reason for it. and i know your master has told you to call us sore losers, but that is inaccurate. It's about the country, not the party. NObama is worse than Mccain so I say Party Unity My Ass. PUMA!
bigticer 3 years ago
bigticer, you said its "crap" Obama agrees with Clinton on 95% of the issues... You can't even give ONE significant example. People without specifics normally go into generalities. "Obama is waay more liberal..."
So the question is, did you ever give a damn about the democratic policies represented by Hillary? Every way you look at this, you PUMA folks seem to focus on Hillary Clinton and ignore the entire debate on policy differences. I guess denial accompanies irrational actions.
silus2000 3 years ago
This is why I respect Ron Paul supporters. They dont support Ron Paul, the man, they support his message and what he represents for this nation.
You self-absorbed, superficial Clinton supporters have been exposed as frauds. You never cared about democratic policies, you guys never stood for any philosophy of governance. Otherwise you would support a candidate who has basically EQUAL policies to Clinton. I mean, think about that.
You promote the belief that Democrats stand for nothing.
silus2000 3 years ago
Party Unity My Ass... I love that! Who came up with that? Love it and love your videos!
allyinoh 3 years ago 4
Here is the proof that you are NOT a Democrat. Referring to Democrats as "Left Wing nuts"??? You ADMIT that Obama and Clinton have closer views then McCain and Clinton, but you would really vote for McCain to SPITE the Democratic Party. This is petty and childish. You would throw away the future of this country and leave the troops in Iraq another "X" amount of years, just because of a silly grudge you have because YOUR candidate didn't get the nomination. Bravo, you must be proud of yourself.
unityforobama 3 years ago
Pay attention everyone: This Cultist actually beleives that anyone who does not fawn after their leader is willing to "throw away the future of this country." I have received some supportive comments thinking I made these videos as a joke. This is no joke. These are Obama Cultists. This is why PUMA is so important.
bigticer 3 years ago
Whether or not the troops stay in Iraq IS the future of this country. Whether or not we go into recession IS the future of this country. Whether or not we have a President who understands the issues that affect the millions of Americans living in poverty IS the future of this country. Its great that you can disregard the current socio-economic status of this country to further your own selfish Pro-Hillary agenda. Do you even know what your talking about?
unityforobama 3 years ago
Cultists beleive their leader is the answer to all the country's ills. Any dissent is regarded as Clinton fanaticism, racsim, cynicism, conservatism, or stubborness. They fail to understand that some people are not Pro-Mccain, but they are Anti-Obama.
bigticer 3 years ago
Your failing to address and REAL issues, and once again diverting a valid point about "the future of this country", and you yourself have said you are a Clinton supporter. What do any of these videos have to do with how the candidates would address VALID issues? Its your social commentary on issues that have NOTHING to do with this election, or who is more fit to be President and why. All your doing is changing the subject in an intelligent way, while COMPLETELY failing to see the point.
unityforobama 3 years ago
unityforobama - U should watch the nobama cult video made by bigticer. It accurately describes the Obama following. It is impossible to argue 'the valid issues' where Obama is concerned. He has proven no stance on anything. His few year voting history consists of refusal 2 vote (present), claiming he pushed the wrong button on 5 votes and claiming he just voted the way the repbulicans told him to on the other votes - you can find this SAID BY Obama on the news with a couple easy searches.
PoliTapTV 3 years ago
unityforobama - my point is, with no history of making change - or even trying 2 accomplish anything, all we have is his character to guide us. His character is seen by who he surrounds himself with, what he says about himself in his book and how well he keeps his word. in case you dont know this - he has spent his entire life contributing to racist organizations, attending hate filled racist functions, associating with criminals, outwardly lying and doing drugs. NUFF SAID
PoliTapTV 3 years ago
What's frightening to me is that YOU fail to see that Obama has addressed NO ISSUES at all!!!
sgt1035 3 years ago
1. We dont elect a dictator.
2. Since we dont elect a dictator, you vote for the policies and philosophy the person would try to influence in government.
YOU, on the other hand, vote for the person you like bestest. Isnt that cute.
At least be honest in your videos man. You dont give a damn about the politics of this nation, you just wanted Hillary Clinton to win. You're a sad voter.
silus2000 3 years ago
Please inform me of Hussein's policies. We know nothing (good anyway, he has a bad, if small, record)about the man.
None of the choices offered us were really 'worthy', and we really don't have to choose among them...we can do a 'write-in') but just WHAT are Obama's qualifications?
1. Goodlooking black man
2. Speaks well (sometimes)
3. ??????
Wake up kids, this is serious. A Rock Star won't cut it!
sgt1035 3 years ago
You want me to inform you of "Hussein's" policies? Just refer to Hillary's policies. But I guess that would point out how irrational that questioning is, less you dont mind concluding both support horrible policies, but that doesnt apply for people in denial about their candidate.
Also, if none of the choices are worthy, does it make sense to single one person out??
P.S. Obama is half white... In mathamatics, we understand half of something doesnt equal a whole of something else. Idiot.
silus2000 3 years ago
As I've said before, bigticer, these kids are into their 'Rock Star'. They don't do their political research, they go for charm and they'll live to regret it.
The dumbing of America really worked!
sgt1035 3 years ago
Thank you for speaking with conscience and sanity Bigticer. This is what we need not the populist hangers-on that have thrown in lock, stock and barrel with Obama when he has shown us nothing. Given us nothing.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
GIve the man a fucking chance damn. When was the last president in history with all the experience in the world turned out to be this perfect leader let alone perfect politician.
touggie2000 3 years ago
If that was directed at me Touggie then no......Granted there are no perfect people or Presidents but this is about who we think is best for the job. If you think Obama is best that is on you, but we feel different and with his lack of experience, Way liberal voting record, no list of achievements in Senate and character flaws, we feel differently about him than you. Besides if we did give him a chance and wanted him out that would never happen, so best to keep him out all together.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
so you feel Mccain is going to be a better president giving the fact his a total opposite of Hillary and Obama?
touggie2000 3 years ago
I say he is qualified for the job, and by default is the only choice left. You and your brethren threw away this election with your Stalinist appeal to the most gullable in our society. Hope and Change does not mean shit when you lose elections.
bigticer 3 years ago
to my understanding you beleive GWb was qualified for the job correct? and if so with all the qualifications what the hell good did that shit do us? NONE what so ever so yu can throw that qualification shit out the window and start baseing this arguement off ambitions, judgment, character and the will to turn this country around in the right direction. Let me guest you believe MCcain is the man to do this?
touggie2000 3 years ago
Oh, you're very right, being a 2 term governor of the 2nd most populous state is not valid experiance. lol. Thats one of the problems with your Cultist mentality. I hate GW Bush too, but the reason is policy. Just because I disagree with his political approach, does not mean he was an inexperianced candidate. By that measure, every dem who is over 35 and against the war would be qualified. go look at obamavsobama . com and then come talk to me about "judgement"
bigticer 3 years ago
I never said GWB was not experienced CULTIST OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ! MY point was with all that EXPERIENCE what good has he done? Why we are on that GWB experience lets talk about it: Texas under his administration executed more prisoner mainly black during his terms also he may have one of the fatest back pockets out of any lobbyist inclined Governor to date. Yeah some experience. I guess thats why his good at getting soldiers killed and pimping the middle east and not politics.
touggie2000 3 years ago
I personally believe so, yes. I believe McCain has served in the service of the people longer, his experience and voting record though I don't always agree with them are more experienced and wider ranging. His attempts at creating bipartisanship even at the cost of alienating his own party speaks volumes over Obama that says he wants to be a "uniter" but has no record of such accomplishments. That said McCain is not perfect, nor is he my "ideal" candidate but he is my choice for this election.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
so why dont you just become a republican? If that is all it takes to win you over, someone alienating their party or service in the military. why should one have to be captured in a war to have the feeling to unite people? can't me and you have the feeling and Idea of unification? and Im not a politician. by the way does MCcain have any record of unity?
touggie2000 3 years ago
Well, that assumes that what you say about someone alienating their own party and serving in the military is all. Its not, neither is what I said a wholly Republican ideal. As an Independant and mostly undecided voter until now, I am sure there are many Democrats that have done the same things McCain has done, but they are not in this election. I also never said anything about anyone being a POW being a cause for feelings of unity. (continued below)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Both of us can find things to agree on and perhaps unify around a candidate that we both agree on, but I don't believe Obama to be it and it sounds like you don't believe McCain to be it. As far as McCain having a record of unity, he has spurred bipartisan bills like Campaign Finance Reform that both parties accepted. He also has had a glaring failure such as the bipartisan Immigration bill. But he has really tried. I don't see that with Obama (continued below)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Now keep in mind that Obama wants to be a uniter and bipartisan. Then why has he been seen as a staunch liberal democrat record. Seems to me there ought to be a little give and take there. Congressional Quarterly says that 97% of the time Obama voted with the Democratic party and that he refused to join the Gang of 14. Some even refer to his voting record as doctrinaire. To me this doesn't sound like a bipartisan guy and sure anyone can change after seeing a mistake (continued below)
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
or realizing they should have been more flexible, but how do we know that he isn't throwing the unity thing around out of politcal expediancy? Politicians do/say things to get votes all the time. Like I said before McCain is not perfect, there are a few things in his history I don't necessarily agree with but as far as Obama there are alot of things in his history I don't agree with.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
We really dont know if this is all a hoex. Like I said before Im not stupid or a Obama worshipper Im a realist and a democrate. We dont know but I do KNow what MCain is about. I do know what the republicans do everytime they get in office. I do know what BUsh has done in the last 8 years and I see MCcain starting to fall in line. Im a democrate I can't see myself voting for a Republican with no liberal atributes. Id rather vote for a democrate that shows the will and ambition.
touggie2000 3 years ago
But see you say that as if you have some empirical proof that Obama will be liberal all the time and that McCain will not be the same rebel he has always been. What if Obama changes his atributes and becomes more conservative. Bush may have run as a conservative but he is far from it in alot of peoples eyes. It could happen and then what of your ideals and reason for choosing Obama. I don't know if your vision sounds very realistic or more idealistic.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
I unerstand your views your more of a play it safe guy which is cool. but, realisticly I know what Mccain is capable of. I know he can chage his mind like the weather giving the fact he is a rebel in his own party I cant imagine him really carring about are issues. I give you that the fact Obama might swing from center to left giving the fact he is a new guy and may be paying it so safe to the point he doesnt want to disturb but I dont see Obama abandoning the core values of a Dem I rather CONT.
touggie2000 3 years ago
But don't you see.....Obama is abandoning core values and will have to if he is to truely be bipartisan. McCain has a record spanning 30years of votes and maverick behavior against his parties bottom line which Obama doesn't have. Obama is now courting the Evangelicals and the Iraq war supporters now with his latest statements. What would you do if he couldn't remain liberal in trying to be bipartisan. Would that be okay with you.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
McCain voted WITH Bush 100% of the time in 2007 and 97% of the time in 2008. How does that make him bipartisan?
unityforobama 3 years ago
Get a life Cultist. you come to my videos day after day because your lord and master cannot be questioned. at least mccain shows his butt up to actually vote, unlike your god NObama, who has one of the worst attendence records in the senate.
bigticer 3 years ago
Once again I prove you wrong and once again you divert attention so that my comments don't detract from your CULTIST statements. Master Clinton sends you her love for continuing to distort the truth in your own best interests, we all know she's done it.
unityforobama 3 years ago
so he Mccain shows up and votes on the behalf of who? not me and you I suppose so what difference does it make if he has a good attendance policy that good attendance record just proves how much hes out to deafeat any democratic idea from being implemented. Thanks for the GOOD news.
touggie2000 3 years ago
Well, McCain shows up and votes firstly for his constituents but every person in the Senate has their own voting responsibility and he realizes he will have to have a good record. A record that reflects not only his beliefs but that he is not afraid to give an up or down vote. Obama....well, he has voted but he has abstained or not shown up for votes more than he has voted. Thats not really a good thing when you realize that he is a represntative of his people.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Yeah and I don' suppose you could give me a source for your assertion that McCain voted 100% with Bush. I at least gave a source for my assertion about Obama. The estimates I have seen for McCain is 80 to 75% siding with Republicans from Pew and CQ. What makes him bipartisan is his sponsorship of bills that get passed by both parties. Where's Obamas bipartisan bills or efforts?
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
your right both parties can agree on certain bills like more funding for Iraq TWICE with GWB approval record at a all time LOW.
touggie2000 3 years ago
Hey, you can knock GWB approval record but look at the liberal Democrat congress. Their approval is even less, and even in now they refuse to listen to the will of the people. That said they did vote for it twice, which if Obama is elected he will have to respect for the beginning of his presidency but that was out of politcal expediency once again. Violence is down in Iraq and the congress that wants failure there has been forced to realize the govt there is making progress.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
Im aware you never said that I was making a point. But, you are saying that because of Mccins history he will pass bills that the democrats could appreciate and in 2012 we would all rally around him oppose to the job your predictions tell you about how Obama will fair as are president.
touggie2000 3 years ago
I believe McCain will be able to pass bills that the democrats could appreciate. He has done so before so I believe he can. I don't believe Obama will just because he can get people to rally around the mantra "change".
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
you beleive this and at what cost?
touggie2000 3 years ago
The cost of hopefully choosing the best person to lead this country. Are you so certian that Obama will be the best. If so, let be borrow that crystal ball please.
PoPoNellie 3 years ago
U SHOULD RUN FOR OFFICE! I have said everything you are saying!!
BabydollNLuv 3 years ago 3
uhh... Mccain is anti-abortion. maybe you should do your own rearch.
moriya2k2 3 years ago
lol love this video
SpiritedRose 3 years ago 2
watching you and hearing what you have to say makes me feel better. thanx. Hope you keep making videos.
NLee777 3 years ago 5
thank you for making these videos! wonderful
sienalake 3 years ago 3
I have an idea how to show the DNC that we are not just going to "fall in line"
If you have donated to Hillary Clinton this year and are planning to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama, go and donate at least one time to John McCain. Even if its 5 dollars. Just get your name on both donor lists. The DNC hates losing donors more than anything. I think this will send the appropriate message to Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama himself. Buy a t-shirt, it counts as a donation too. PUMA
hwebb5454 3 years ago
Oh, and John McCain could come to my house and slap my momma and I still wouldn't vote for Barry Obama. PUMA is a great thing. Honestly I wished Hillary would have taken this all the way to the convention and if she didn't get the nomination, burn the place to the ground. And as she's walking out, she throws her middle finger over her shoulder and all her supporters follow. Then she begins the PUMA Party (or The Bull Moose Party) I think she actually could win as a 3rd party candidate.
hwebb5454 3 years ago