I'm black, and I love LOTR, I know, not alotta black folk love this genre of film, but I love it. Its hard for me to see that alot of people use this speech as a metaphor for the current state of Western Civilization. Seeing the black armies of Mordor as a black/arab/non-whites coming to destory the West. Like there never were wars, plagues and troubles in the West before. Anyway, I love LOTR, cant wait for The Hobbit
The original books never intended to make it as West vs non-West. Peter Jackson just happened to make the Haradrim similar to Middle Easterners. In the original novels by Tolkein, the Gondorians themselves were slightly darker skinned than the Rohirrim, and the Southern Gondorians had very dark skin color.
@Intranetusa I know all of this, but alot of people dont. They use this is a metaphor, the way Tolkien never intended it to be used, I think thats a shame. For this is the greatest story ever told, imo
And the "black" armies of Mordor is figurative. The evil "black Numenoreans" of Mordor would've looked like Gondorians. Black means evil, not "black skinned."
Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain... Like wind in the meadow. The days have come down in the west, behind the hills... Into shadow.
To me, this scene speaks this: A nervous and doubtful King heading into a battle he feels that cannot be one. He questions himself and this shows when he ask, "Who am I?" and "Do you trust you King?"
The poem, he recites, says to me that, like Greece and Rome, the old world is coming to an end. In this case, "shadow" represents darkness a.k.a the evil of the Orks...
Theoden is my favorite leader in any fantasy movie every. He is brave and loving for his people, yet so very human. He would gladly sacrifice himself to save all of that, but he, as would anyone, would feel fear as he did it.
@starmin76 thats what i called desperate....in any other normal circumstances they would not allow children to bear arms against a fearsome enemy like the uruk-hai....in this situation they don't have enough manpower to keep the stronghold against a determined attack
This is actually based on the Old English poem 'The Wanderer' that written in the 10th Century. Still, epic speech and probably my favourite in the film along with his speech at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
Like the books says, That when Theoden shouted his speech at the fields of pelenor. It had not been heard a voice like that since the VALA(GODS) Orome strode over the wast fields of middle earth. I Think it's fucking epic when gamling says "Your men my lord will follow you to whatever end" FUCK I WISH MY LIFE WAS LIKE LOTR! EPIC AND WILL NEVER DIE!
Πού είναι το άλογο και ο αναβάτης; Πού είναι το κέρατο που ήταν το φύσηγμα; Έχουν περάσει όπως τη βροχή στα βουνά. Όπως τον αέρα στο λιβάδι. Οι ημέρες έχουν πάει κάτω στη δύση. Πίσω από τους λόφους. Στη σκιά. Πώς ήρθε σε αυτό;
There are no true leaders left in the real world whose followers will follow them to whatever end. I would choose to follow Theoden over any of our so-called 'leaders'.
lawl at the Hilter Argument about 4 months ago, lol You really would've put up a good point of view if you didn't put up all that stuff about The Jew propaganda thing, ur funny, btw I'm being payed by the jews to say that you're just a conspiracy theorist, with absolutely no proof besides your own biased opinion lol
Is incredible how the music make this scene so much more powerful, Howard Shore truly is the MAN, what a contemporary composer we have :) great scene, no wait.... any scene from LOTR is AWESOME ^-^
'Every villager able to wield a sword' They should have said 'every male'
At 1:12 I see them giving a boy who look no older then 8 an axe... yet even the adult females do nothing but hide and cry in some cave. If they are fighting for their survival, why are they not out there too? Its not like the Orcs are there just to take over the land, they are there to eradicate them, so why not do something useful?
@ErikaCn100 there was hope for children and women to flee for the mountains,if the battle goes ill.. so,if they would fight,there would be no more hope for Rohan at all,if the battle went ill
Aragorn ''Send out riders, my lord. You must call for aid.''
Theoden ''And who will come. Elves? Dwarves? We are not so lucky in our friends as you. The old alliances are dead.''
Aragorn ''Gondor will answer.''
Theoden ''Gondor? Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell? Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in around us?! Where was Gon - No, my Lord Aragorn, we are alone.''
@vars280287 There are: Now they are just called something else than leaders: Terrorist is one example, of people willing to follow them to whatever end.
@666Von666 Nope, but it did help to give the author a reason to write it, as well as published it and distributed it to interested readers, as well as create an substantial fanbase! Whats your deal man, capitalism is good.
@SAOrules how did it give the author a reason to write it? and it would have still been published under any other political system...didn't really help or hinder the book but gotta agree with Von...Orcs :P
This discussion of leadership and rule is a silly one. Theoden is a traditional King, hereditary and without any particular consent from his people. Yet he is a wise and well-loved King who does his best in a dark time when things are so overwhelmingly against him. He has his flaws and is as human as the rest, yet he proves to be one of the greatest and wisest and is perfect for his leadership role. Imagine an elected politician stood in his place! How much worse!
@guitarcenter999 One of your favourites? Is my all time favourite!! When I see this scene I always think of King Alfred (I live in Winchester) and the great odds that he faced to save his kingdom and people
@Scorch1zl33t how did it come to this? massive unchecked immigration, political correctness and destructive liberal policy.. oh wait.. are we talking about the islamization of europe or the orcization of middle earth? hmmm
'The Hitler comparison is a very good one, whether you like it or not!! this man know;s the historical figure, not the creature the jewish controlled media and the half backed academics who never stepped into real life made him to be!! Hitler, before anything else was a great patriot and a true leader, he knew what the people wanted and more than that he knew a sacrifice was necessary to save the german people as a whole, tragic as it may have been, he played his role fittingly, unlike men today
@Boromir26 BUT He also used fear and military might to force his way to power. If you take time and listen to accounts of German people that were "ruled" under Hitlers Third Reich, you will see that the German population were forced into showing loyalty. In fact it was illegal for you not to shout Hail Hitler if some said it to you. But back to my comment to him. He in fact did state about how the Armies are similar, along with Theoden. And Tolkien fought in WW1 against Germany.
@Boromir26 And as for Hitler being a fitting man and play a rule men dont do today. Yes and no. Yes he did take action to help his people. But in the process became a genocidal dictator. And you cant tell me that he did not try to exterminate the Jews and had any intentions of stopping his conquest if he had won the war. Hitler was a power hungry being who used his authority and speech ability to corrupt a people and lead them down a path to war that lead to the division of Berlin and more prob
@Entriken133 You clearly have a very very heavily biased view of Hitler, don;t take it wrong, I had it too until I started questioning the man, his motives his reasoning and the structures of his policy. The official documentation you read in school, university the media is all censored, it is clear jewish propaganda. and yes there were detention camps and there was genocide, nothing new, genocide has been and will be around as long as humans exist, it is in our nature and that you can;t change.
@Boromir26 I questioned the mans motives and reasoning my self. Like i said, i think what he wanted to do was good and great. But his means to do it were wrong. Exterminating a group of individuals is not the best course of action. And like i said he kinda kept that hidden. Until Allies found the camps not many people, even Germans knew what he was doing. So the Jewish propaganda that you speak of did not cause a biased view of hitler.
@Entriken133 You didn't understand my point!! jewish propagande demonized and still does demonize the whole german nation for the past. they created a constant feeling of guilt and self hatred in countless german after war generations!! during the war USA media giants, many of them under jewish control, constantly produced media and reports about the horrible evil german Reich and how they wanted to conquer the world and the usual paranoia bullcrap. 1 thing for certain hitler never wanted that.
@Boromir26 And Every country used propaganda. Thats part of war. Hitler used it, England used it, Russia, U.S., Italy, and Japan. Propaganda is part of war, always has been always will be. So the jews were not controlling all propaganda. Every country uses it. Since the dawn of time. So the Jews are not responsible for people saying Hitler is evil. Its everyone.
@thehumor I dont agree with Hitler. There is no such thing as a good Hitler. Everyone is good compared to Hitler. And if your going to compare him to any kind of leader/army choose something more closely based. Being a calvary army they are more like the huns, but with a leader like George Washington, one who leads men into battle and fights along side them, but is not power hungry. And was bad at first but then turned good (George Washington was originally a British general)
@thehumor You are the guy comparing him to Hitler. And im the retard? Im sorry that i actually know about the world and history and was able to compare Rohan to a closer army and Theoden to a closer leader. While you compared Rohan to Hitler and his army.... How? Hitlers army was a modern fighting force. They used tanks, guns, and planes. When did you see a panzer tank in lotr? And Hitler was a dictator, who wanted to create the perfect race and rule the world. Theoden did not want that.
@Entriken133 You know nothing about Hitler but what the ridiculous jewish media tells you, and they are masters at exageration, no wonder they had 5000 years of exile to practice the art of subversive propaganda!! and the man was comparing Hitler to Theoden he was not comparing the army, the strategy, the weapons he was comparing the character, the role, the influence the intentions of a real man, with a fictional character, a thoroughly valid comparison.Tolkien himself never objected to Hitler.
@Boromir26 No your stereotype of jews is ridicuculous. The Jews did not put out propaganda, how could they, they were in concentration camps. And what he did is cruel to a group of people that did nothing wrong. And dont try to say "The jew made it up" The proof is in the camps, which were found by Allied forces. In fact when the war ended the German people were forced to see what their "Great Leader" had been doing. And Hitler did recover Germany after their lose in WW1 i will give you that...
@Boromir26 But i will give you that Hitler was a smart man and was trying to making life better in Germany after losing WW1. But he did it in the wrong way. And he made many military blunders. Like attacking on two fronts. Thats what doomed him to lose. But I digress, Hitler is in no way like Theoden. Hitler gained power and wanted to build an empire. He was a dictator plane and simple. Theoden was a king. Who lead his men through a dark time. And died honorably fighting...
@Entriken133 well seems that you do have some brains. we disagree on some points, mainly on the jewish problem and the fact that hitler wanted to create and empire!
First the jews did make propagand and made it very very intensely throughout the war and even more intensely after the war. 1 they had the financial means to do it 2 they controlled all the media outlets in the capitalist world, a dangerous monopoly that persists to this day! USA was fooled into a meaningless war by zionist jews.
@Boromir26 The jews are a group of people. They do not run the world. They are no different then Catholics, Christians, and Muslims. And i know there are people out there that choose to believe that Jews control everything. But during WW2 Jews were getting exterminated. They did not control anything. They had no property or money. In fact until the allies found the first concentration camps and found the large number of dead, no one other then the jews and Hitler and a few of his men knew.
@Entriken133 and Hitler, saved germany out of the brink of social extinction. undoubtedly he did use force to eliminate his opposition but the testimonies of some clearly biased and influenced people do not convince me, the he had the utter loyalty and devotion of a very significant amount of the german population, why is that? because he created values in a society that had none left, he created an ideal identity towards which a people who was broken and demoralized could aspire to.
@Boromir26 Even the German people had no clue what happened to the Jews. In fact towns near the camps were forced by the allies to burry the jews. And they were shocked to see what they had supported. So not many people knew. So the Jews were not using propaganda. But i see we do agree that Hitler was trying to make things better for his people. And i do respect him for that, I mean he revived a beaten nation. I just think his ways to do it were wrong.
@Entriken133 Regarding his "Empire" for his ideology to work he needed a considerable infusion of "germanic blood" back into Germany, meaning he wanted to reunite all the germanic ethnic groups living scattered through central europe and secure for them a "Lebensraum". For this to work these people should be mixed with Germans from Germany. Initially he tried a program of relocation but many states refused to let massive migration happen therefore he was indeed kind of forced to expand the borde
@Boromir26 And my last point is. If he was going to unite the Germanic people. Then why did he invade Russia and attack Stalingrad? Or invade France? Neither country had Germanic heritage.
@Entriken133 France is obvious why he invaded!! it was clear politics and ideological play. he needed a show of force to assure a healthy public opinion, therefore France, having taken alsace and lorraine from germany after ww 1 was the ideal candidate. Interestingly enough in France there never have been any substantial oustings, wealth confiscation and so forth. Regarding Russia, one thing that I think you do not know is the extent slavic people identified with the whole Aryan myth.
@Boromir26 I understand invading the French as revenge. That is clear to me. You just said that he wanted to unite the Germanic people, but as you stated he also needed to get revenge. So he had other motives. And the Bolshevik, is just another term for the Soviet Communist party. And in fact the minority (non Bolshevik party) were actually aided by the Jews. So by saving them from the communist party they were actually helping the jews. Crazy idea. Which is why i dont believe that.
@Entriken133 Ukraine for instance welcomed Hitler as a savior from Bolshevik (again jewish run, jewish orchestrated and jewish financed) dictatorship. To gain the trust of his new allies and thus access to the vast agricultural resources of Ukraine he needed to make a move on Russia, which was a fatal error both military and ideologically.
@Boromir26 Germany invaded more for resources then anything. Plus he thought the war with England would be over quickly, major military error. But again, why would he invaded North Africa. There are no Germanic tribes there. But there is oil to mobilize an army to continue to invade, which he planned to do. If Hitler would of won he would have control of both England and Russia. He would occupy the rest of Europe and aid Japan in the fight against the U.S., if not invade the U.S.
I listen to Theoden's speech and imagine World War One in which Tolkien himself fought. No 'horse and rider' in the disease-ridden trenches, no glory in the mechanical massacre of men. By then the heroes of old are mere echoes of the past, and the days have truly gone down in the West.
It's not a 'little' wound. Theoden gets stabbed by a Uruk Hai Pikemen. He would of died if Tolkien didn't decided he should die at that part of the film.
Bernard Hill's acting gives me the chills
guitarcenter999 3 days ago
I'm black, and I love LOTR, I know, not alotta black folk love this genre of film, but I love it. Its hard for me to see that alot of people use this speech as a metaphor for the current state of Western Civilization. Seeing the black armies of Mordor as a black/arab/non-whites coming to destory the West. Like there never were wars, plagues and troubles in the West before. Anyway, I love LOTR, cant wait for The Hobbit
reaper555ym 1 week ago
@reaper555ym
The original books never intended to make it as West vs non-West. Peter Jackson just happened to make the Haradrim similar to Middle Easterners. In the original novels by Tolkein, the Gondorians themselves were slightly darker skinned than the Rohirrim, and the Southern Gondorians had very dark skin color.
Intranetusa 1 week ago
@Intranetusa I know all of this, but alot of people dont. They use this is a metaphor, the way Tolkien never intended it to be used, I think thats a shame. For this is the greatest story ever told, imo
reaper555ym 1 week ago
@reaper555ym
Indeed.
Intranetusa 1 week ago
@reaper555ym
And the "black" armies of Mordor is figurative. The evil "black Numenoreans" of Mordor would've looked like Gondorians. Black means evil, not "black skinned."
Intranetusa 1 week ago
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the Spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing.
VanVeghel 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
The most moving and elegant "we're fucked" I ever heard.
MAI742 4 weeks ago 29
my fav quote from an awesome movie
Shadowultd 1 month ago
Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain... Like wind in the meadow. The days have come down in the west, behind the hills... Into shadow.
ivantheemperor 1 month ago
@ivantheemperor thx :)
sheinuxx 2 weeks ago
How ironic that this speech reflects the current state of the West in our world.
Ironarm011 1 month ago
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DJdannydanj 1 month ago
Wordy ass fuck, give the white fuckers some bazookas and shut the fuck up. This nigger talks too much.
Bloodact 1 month ago
@Bloodact :/
ANBUspecialBlackops 1 month ago
@Bloodact obvious troll is obvious
AtaraxiaMedia 1 month ago
@AtaraxiaMedia shit speech is shit
Bloodact 1 month ago
after hearing this, you're just like, "time to merc sum bitches!!"
asianwannabeamerican 2 months ago 2
To me, this scene speaks this: A nervous and doubtful King heading into a battle he feels that cannot be one. He questions himself and this shows when he ask, "Who am I?" and "Do you trust you King?"
The poem, he recites, says to me that, like Greece and Rome, the old world is coming to an end. In this case, "shadow" represents darkness a.k.a the evil of the Orks...
Just me...
MrOmeMan 2 months ago 2
@MrOmeMan *Won*
MrOmeMan 2 months ago
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@MrOmeMan The Shadow is a term used in the books to describe Sauron and his followers
DJdannydanj 1 month ago
you misspelled "speech"
AzariahKyras 2 months ago
this scene is like greece nowdays!the days have come down in the west...
athousak8 2 months ago
Theoden is my favorite leader in any fantasy movie every. He is brave and loving for his people, yet so very human. He would gladly sacrifice himself to save all of that, but he, as would anyone, would feel fear as he did it.
themanclaw2 2 months ago
thumbs up if you think this is related to "The Wanderer" poem
ThomasRowsell 2 months ago
Anyone else want to fight for this guy?! (raises hand)
SeitheachMcGregor 2 months ago
Theoden King is my favourite character, to me he is the most human and fallible....
Humbug26 2 months ago
LOTR OWNS THE WORLD!
andrei97t 2 months ago 4
Too bad Aragorn and Legolas didn't sing the poem about Boromir, like in the book did.
jealousharibo 2 months ago
Why am I not watching these movies right now?
crazydavedc 2 months ago
That shot of the uruk-hai at 1:24 is so incredibly epic
thebeastwithoutpants 2 months ago
Bernard Hill is simply fantastic in LOTR. One of the best performances if not the best. Much underrated.
alfalfalf101 2 months ago 2
Call for the Rohirrim
345Doler 3 months ago
Funny how it is so relevant when compared to the situation the western industrial nations are in right now
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Orcs = non-whites. Elves, Dwarfs, Men, Hobbits = Whites. Saruman = Jew.
Jew controls and breeds non-whites for destruction of the White race and culture in real life everyday. These films are about this.
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@contractedwow You do know that there is a book written about this even before the 2nd world war was?
klevdud 3 months ago
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did you slip the soap?
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(cont) laughs, but here, it shows the desperation that these people are in, that they are being forced to put swords in the hands of their youngest.
starmin76 3 months ago
Those shots of the kids suiting up for battle are so fantastic. A lesser film would have played kid soldiers for
starmin76 3 months ago
@starmin76
Totally agree. It was one the little details that gave me the chills. Such a desperate image.
dalaiklama 3 months ago
@starmin76 thats what i called desperate....in any other normal circumstances they would not allow children to bear arms against a fearsome enemy like the uruk-hai....in this situation they don't have enough manpower to keep the stronghold against a determined attack
warbossgrotsmasha23 2 months ago
This is actually based on the Old English poem 'The Wanderer' that written in the 10th Century. Still, epic speech and probably my favourite in the film along with his speech at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
JackyB92 3 months ago
Like the books says, That when Theoden shouted his speech at the fields of pelenor. It had not been heard a voice like that since the VALA(GODS) Orome strode over the wast fields of middle earth. I Think it's fucking epic when gamling says "Your men my lord will follow you to whatever end" FUCK I WISH MY LIFE WAS LIKE LOTR! EPIC AND WILL NEVER DIE!
klevdud 3 months ago 2
I love this speech. He delivers it so powerfully, without raising his voice at all.
okmom23 3 months ago
This is my favorite scene out of all three films. The lement of the Rohirrim.
randomunavailable 4 months ago
incredible quality, thanks for this
Benniboy93 4 months ago
Πού είναι το άλογο και ο αναβάτης; Πού είναι το κέρατο που ήταν το φύσηγμα; Έχουν περάσει όπως τη βροχή στα βουνά. Όπως τον αέρα στο λιβάδι. Οι ημέρες έχουν πάει κάτω στη δύση. Πίσω από τους λόφους. Στη σκιά. Πώς ήρθε σε αυτό;
Dunwyche 4 months ago
THE LORD OF THE RINGS FOREVER!!!!!!!!
RRF1995 4 months ago
This is right behind Saving Private Ryan as one of the greatest war movies ever made
GamrDan 4 months ago
@GamrDan wrong. lotr is way better
nkardakos 4 months ago
Gamling... what is your story, dear man?
tuncdogukan 4 months ago
Où sont maintenant le cheval et le cavalier ? Où est le cor qui sonnait ?
Où sont le heaume et le haubert, et les brillants cheveux flottants ?
Où sont la main sur la corde de la harpe, et le grand feu rougeoyant ?
Où sont le printemps et la moisson et le blé haut croissant ?
Ils sont passés comme la pluie sur la montagne, comme un vent dans les prairies.
Les jours sont descendus à l'ouest, dans l'ombre derrière les collines.
Ofians 4 months ago
i'd follow him to what ever end, i often dream about being one of the last defenders and being his bannerbearer in the last charge of helms deep
MrAllamericanbadass 5 months ago
I totally LOVE The March Of The Mighty Isengard Army.
0.49 - 0.52 and especially 1.24 - 1.29... Wow, It's GORGEOUS !!!
Just Look at the Uruk-Hais, armored head to toe, with Great White Hands...
Man, They are utterly Badass !!
UnionLords 5 months ago in playlist Lord of the Rings II - The Two Towers 3
7 people don't have horses
hybridgods 5 months ago
This has always been my favorite part of LOTR II. His speech, the music, the boy soldiers.... so overwhelming
p123970 5 months ago 21
Listen to what he said!! its So true its all Over, how did it come to this. Great Britain i weep.
frog77 5 months ago
There are no true leaders left in the real world whose followers will follow them to whatever end. I would choose to follow Theoden over any of our so-called 'leaders'.
ATMofAnubis 5 months ago 3
@ATMofAnubis Aye ...
D~
Dunwyche 5 months ago
@ATMofAnubis same, follow him to death :) only if middle-earth was real ;)
BigDaiRhys 5 months ago
So awesomely epic...won't mention.....Poor spelling of video title ( I men speach? Really man?)
prideofclouds 5 months ago
@prideofclouds *mean
prideofclouds 5 months ago
To whatever end...
Scorch1zl33t 5 months ago
lawl at the Hilter Argument about 4 months ago, lol You really would've put up a good point of view if you didn't put up all that stuff about The Jew propaganda thing, ur funny, btw I'm being payed by the jews to say that you're just a conspiracy theorist, with absolutely no proof besides your own biased opinion lol
Itachi135791 5 months ago
Such a beautiful scene... the dialogue of this scene reminds me of Shakespeare. It's wonderful. lol
Marillionmad 6 months ago
Is incredible how the music make this scene so much more powerful, Howard Shore truly is the MAN, what a contemporary composer we have :) great scene, no wait.... any scene from LOTR is AWESOME ^-^
verdebuster 6 months ago 3
This speech is such a good statement on the increase of mass production; of the soullessness of the production line.
BrosoKintobor 6 months ago 2
'Every villager able to wield a sword' They should have said 'every male'
At 1:12 I see them giving a boy who look no older then 8 an axe... yet even the adult females do nothing but hide and cry in some cave. If they are fighting for their survival, why are they not out there too? Its not like the Orcs are there just to take over the land, they are there to eradicate them, so why not do something useful?
ErikaCn100 6 months ago 4
@ErikaCn100 I think it's implied they don't mean the females considering the date and place of this scene.
dotmadhack 6 months ago
@ErikaCn100 there was hope for children and women to flee for the mountains,if the battle goes ill.. so,if they would fight,there would be no more hope for Rohan at all,if the battle went ill
dunavidrava 6 months ago
Aragorn ''Send out riders, my lord. You must call for aid.''
Theoden ''And who will come. Elves? Dwarves? We are not so lucky in our friends as you. The old alliances are dead.''
Aragorn ''Gondor will answer.''
Theoden ''Gondor? Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell? Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in around us?! Where was Gon - No, my Lord Aragorn, we are alone.''
agetro82 6 months ago
i don't know who's that rider, but surely im pretty sure its not sauron
mark31234 6 months ago
@1918Polska Arnor fell to the Witch King
HoppingVeggie 6 months ago
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Shakespeare has NOTHING on Tolkien!
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TomDavid88 6 months ago
you can say Aragorn is THE fighter and Theoden is THE King or vice versa
but as my girlfriend said, they both are honorable man!! :D
bashcwarzch 7 months ago 2
This and Theoden's speech before Minas Tirith shit all over Aragorn's one at the Black Gate IMO.
MerryGoFuckYourself 7 months ago 64
@MerryGoFuckYourself
Actually this speech is from Aragorn in the books.
Xerardo84V 3 months ago 5
@MerryGoFuckYourself yeah but Sam's speech at the end of this film > all. So much hope, especially in the music. God damn.
waqman 2 months ago
@MerryGoFuckYourself Hahaha. That's because two of them were based on lines from the book and one of them wasn't...
TheAle89515 1 month ago
The lighting effects on this scene were really good!
PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD 7 months ago
how did it come to this ....noma sana .......Theodon King ..yu was just the qing... Sam too
singhmose23 7 months ago
how did it come to this ....noma sana .......
singhmose23 7 months ago
@SAOrules
@666Von666
How about you both shut up and let people who actually like this video make comments instead of us reading what you two write.
AnbuScythe 7 months ago
@AnbuScythe Don't look at me dude, I was just asking what that other commenter had against capitalism and shit. I didn't want to start an argument.
SAOrules 7 months ago
Very profound....... Theoden has the greatest lines.
MsZed1973 8 months ago 64
This sounds so good with earphones :D
anyways love this speech
kinglukeyc 8 months ago
Where is the wealth that was glowing? Where is the money that was flowing?
The days have gone down in the USA behind the hills into shadow.
How did WE come to this?
SardaukarPrime 8 months ago 5
Can cinematography create anything better than this? And this is just a part..
666Von666 8 months ago
Kill all mens they are boring,orc rules :)
MrMilan90 8 months ago
Sadly there are no leaders in the real world whose followers will follow them 'to whatever end'.
vars280287 8 months ago 2
@vars280287 There are: Now they are just called something else than leaders: Terrorist is one example, of people willing to follow them to whatever end.
BeckBo 8 months ago
@BeckBo I don't think theoden is the same as bin laden
petertel123 8 months ago
@petertel123 Nope cause he's dead.
SAOrules 8 months ago
@SAOrules so is Theoden :P
petertel123 8 months ago
@petertel123 Ha ha! Yup. He too has passed "like rain on the mountains", in that he got what was coming to him!
SAOrules 8 months ago
these days man´s orcs are inside
digedag999 8 months ago
I wish there were orcs so we humans could unite against a common enemy.
MatthewEnfield 9 months ago
@MatthewEnfield
Capitalists = orcs.
666Von666 8 months ago 2
@666Von666 Funny capitalism made this movie.
SAOrules 8 months ago
@SAOrules Capitalism didnt write the book.
666Von666 8 months ago 2
@666Von666 Nope, but it did help to give the author a reason to write it, as well as published it and distributed it to interested readers, as well as create an substantial fanbase! Whats your deal man, capitalism is good.
SAOrules 8 months ago
@SAOrules how did it give the author a reason to write it? and it would have still been published under any other political system...didn't really help or hinder the book but gotta agree with Von...Orcs :P
TalloDragon 7 months ago
I watch this and feel the same way every finals week.
jeff8605 9 months ago
EPIC!!!
vikikis 9 months ago
Berlin. 1945.
vonRass 9 months ago 2
SPEECH
lovellespice 9 months ago
But where does all this light come from?
JeePsSsS 9 months ago
@JeePsSsS a huge spotlight right behind that entrance!
petertel123 8 months ago
there were manny leaders but such few hoow where true rulers
DeLulHannes 9 months ago
This discussion of leadership and rule is a silly one. Theoden is a traditional King, hereditary and without any particular consent from his people. Yet he is a wise and well-loved King who does his best in a dark time when things are so overwhelmingly against him. He has his flaws and is as human as the rest, yet he proves to be one of the greatest and wisest and is perfect for his leadership role. Imagine an elected politician stood in his place! How much worse!
thebigJM92 9 months ago 5
"A leaders role is not to be served by the people, but to be the people's servant"
Like what Jesus said, "Whoever wishes to become the greatest must first become the least and the servant of all."
Good day and God Bless
Sincerely, LordGodsServant :)
LordGodsServant 9 months ago 4
Deeply moving....
chaosfive55 9 months ago 7
Theoden is one of my favorite characters in the trilogy even tho he's a secondary character.
guitarcenter999 9 months ago 2
@guitarcenter999 One of your favourites? Is my all time favourite!! When I see this scene I always think of King Alfred (I live in Winchester) and the great odds that he faced to save his kingdom and people
medievalgirl002 8 months ago 2
How did it come to this...
Scorch1zl33t 10 months ago 6
@Scorch1zl33t how did it come to this? massive unchecked immigration, political correctness and destructive liberal policy.. oh wait.. are we talking about the islamization of europe or the orcization of middle earth? hmmm
lovellespice 9 months ago
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Jambo9nCo 10 months ago
'The Hitler comparison is a very good one, whether you like it or not!! this man know;s the historical figure, not the creature the jewish controlled media and the half backed academics who never stepped into real life made him to be!! Hitler, before anything else was a great patriot and a true leader, he knew what the people wanted and more than that he knew a sacrifice was necessary to save the german people as a whole, tragic as it may have been, he played his role fittingly, unlike men today
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 BUT He also used fear and military might to force his way to power. If you take time and listen to accounts of German people that were "ruled" under Hitlers Third Reich, you will see that the German population were forced into showing loyalty. In fact it was illegal for you not to shout Hail Hitler if some said it to you. But back to my comment to him. He in fact did state about how the Armies are similar, along with Theoden. And Tolkien fought in WW1 against Germany.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Boromir26 And as for Hitler being a fitting man and play a rule men dont do today. Yes and no. Yes he did take action to help his people. But in the process became a genocidal dictator. And you cant tell me that he did not try to exterminate the Jews and had any intentions of stopping his conquest if he had won the war. Hitler was a power hungry being who used his authority and speech ability to corrupt a people and lead them down a path to war that lead to the division of Berlin and more prob
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 You clearly have a very very heavily biased view of Hitler, don;t take it wrong, I had it too until I started questioning the man, his motives his reasoning and the structures of his policy. The official documentation you read in school, university the media is all censored, it is clear jewish propaganda. and yes there were detention camps and there was genocide, nothing new, genocide has been and will be around as long as humans exist, it is in our nature and that you can;t change.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 I questioned the mans motives and reasoning my self. Like i said, i think what he wanted to do was good and great. But his means to do it were wrong. Exterminating a group of individuals is not the best course of action. And like i said he kinda kept that hidden. Until Allies found the camps not many people, even Germans knew what he was doing. So the Jewish propaganda that you speak of did not cause a biased view of hitler.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 You didn't understand my point!! jewish propagande demonized and still does demonize the whole german nation for the past. they created a constant feeling of guilt and self hatred in countless german after war generations!! during the war USA media giants, many of them under jewish control, constantly produced media and reports about the horrible evil german Reich and how they wanted to conquer the world and the usual paranoia bullcrap. 1 thing for certain hitler never wanted that.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 And Every country used propaganda. Thats part of war. Hitler used it, England used it, Russia, U.S., Italy, and Japan. Propaganda is part of war, always has been always will be. So the jews were not controlling all propaganda. Every country uses it. Since the dawn of time. So the Jews are not responsible for people saying Hitler is evil. Its everyone.
Entriken133 10 months ago
Theoden is like the good version of Hitler
Epic leader, epic army, Theoden-Jugend and everything.
thehumor 10 months ago
@thehumor No, he is nothing like Hitler.
Hordeman89 10 months ago
@Hordeman89
Read my comment again.
The second part of it.
OR don't you agree theoden has an epic army, that he is an epic leader?
Jesus some people in this world.... thick... thick omg
thehumor 10 months ago
@thehumor "Victory at the Helm's Deep does not belong to you, Theoden, Horse Master." :)
Hordeman89 10 months ago
@Hordeman89
said by crazy saruman yes
thehumor 10 months ago
@thehumor I dont agree with Hitler. There is no such thing as a good Hitler. Everyone is good compared to Hitler. And if your going to compare him to any kind of leader/army choose something more closely based. Being a calvary army they are more like the huns, but with a leader like George Washington, one who leads men into battle and fights along side them, but is not power hungry. And was bad at first but then turned good (George Washington was originally a British general)
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
om my god. you are so retarded
please crawl in a hole and die slowly.
thehumor 10 months ago
@thehumor You are the guy comparing him to Hitler. And im the retard? Im sorry that i actually know about the world and history and was able to compare Rohan to a closer army and Theoden to a closer leader. While you compared Rohan to Hitler and his army.... How? Hitlers army was a modern fighting force. They used tanks, guns, and planes. When did you see a panzer tank in lotr? And Hitler was a dictator, who wanted to create the perfect race and rule the world. Theoden did not want that.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 You know nothing about Hitler but what the ridiculous jewish media tells you, and they are masters at exageration, no wonder they had 5000 years of exile to practice the art of subversive propaganda!! and the man was comparing Hitler to Theoden he was not comparing the army, the strategy, the weapons he was comparing the character, the role, the influence the intentions of a real man, with a fictional character, a thoroughly valid comparison.Tolkien himself never objected to Hitler.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 No your stereotype of jews is ridicuculous. The Jews did not put out propaganda, how could they, they were in concentration camps. And what he did is cruel to a group of people that did nothing wrong. And dont try to say "The jew made it up" The proof is in the camps, which were found by Allied forces. In fact when the war ended the German people were forced to see what their "Great Leader" had been doing. And Hitler did recover Germany after their lose in WW1 i will give you that...
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Boromir26 But i will give you that Hitler was a smart man and was trying to making life better in Germany after losing WW1. But he did it in the wrong way. And he made many military blunders. Like attacking on two fronts. Thats what doomed him to lose. But I digress, Hitler is in no way like Theoden. Hitler gained power and wanted to build an empire. He was a dictator plane and simple. Theoden was a king. Who lead his men through a dark time. And died honorably fighting...
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 well seems that you do have some brains. we disagree on some points, mainly on the jewish problem and the fact that hitler wanted to create and empire!
First the jews did make propagand and made it very very intensely throughout the war and even more intensely after the war. 1 they had the financial means to do it 2 they controlled all the media outlets in the capitalist world, a dangerous monopoly that persists to this day! USA was fooled into a meaningless war by zionist jews.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 The jews are a group of people. They do not run the world. They are no different then Catholics, Christians, and Muslims. And i know there are people out there that choose to believe that Jews control everything. But during WW2 Jews were getting exterminated. They did not control anything. They had no property or money. In fact until the allies found the first concentration camps and found the large number of dead, no one other then the jews and Hitler and a few of his men knew.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 and Hitler, saved germany out of the brink of social extinction. undoubtedly he did use force to eliminate his opposition but the testimonies of some clearly biased and influenced people do not convince me, the he had the utter loyalty and devotion of a very significant amount of the german population, why is that? because he created values in a society that had none left, he created an ideal identity towards which a people who was broken and demoralized could aspire to.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 Even the German people had no clue what happened to the Jews. In fact towns near the camps were forced by the allies to burry the jews. And they were shocked to see what they had supported. So not many people knew. So the Jews were not using propaganda. But i see we do agree that Hitler was trying to make things better for his people. And i do respect him for that, I mean he revived a beaten nation. I just think his ways to do it were wrong.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 Regarding his "Empire" for his ideology to work he needed a considerable infusion of "germanic blood" back into Germany, meaning he wanted to reunite all the germanic ethnic groups living scattered through central europe and secure for them a "Lebensraum". For this to work these people should be mixed with Germans from Germany. Initially he tried a program of relocation but many states refused to let massive migration happen therefore he was indeed kind of forced to expand the borde
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 And my last point is. If he was going to unite the Germanic people. Then why did he invade Russia and attack Stalingrad? Or invade France? Neither country had Germanic heritage.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 France is obvious why he invaded!! it was clear politics and ideological play. he needed a show of force to assure a healthy public opinion, therefore France, having taken alsace and lorraine from germany after ww 1 was the ideal candidate. Interestingly enough in France there never have been any substantial oustings, wealth confiscation and so forth. Regarding Russia, one thing that I think you do not know is the extent slavic people identified with the whole Aryan myth.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 I understand invading the French as revenge. That is clear to me. You just said that he wanted to unite the Germanic people, but as you stated he also needed to get revenge. So he had other motives. And the Bolshevik, is just another term for the Soviet Communist party. And in fact the minority (non Bolshevik party) were actually aided by the Jews. So by saving them from the communist party they were actually helping the jews. Crazy idea. Which is why i dont believe that.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133 Ukraine for instance welcomed Hitler as a savior from Bolshevik (again jewish run, jewish orchestrated and jewish financed) dictatorship. To gain the trust of his new allies and thus access to the vast agricultural resources of Ukraine he needed to make a move on Russia, which was a fatal error both military and ideologically.
Boromir26 10 months ago
@Boromir26 Germany invaded more for resources then anything. Plus he thought the war with England would be over quickly, major military error. But again, why would he invaded North Africa. There are no Germanic tribes there. But there is oil to mobilize an army to continue to invade, which he planned to do. If Hitler would of won he would have control of both England and Russia. He would occupy the rest of Europe and aid Japan in the fight against the U.S., if not invade the U.S.
Entriken133 10 months ago
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@Entriken133
read my comments one more time if you can actually do that.
no wait, ill quote it for you
Epic leader, epic army, Theoden-Jugend (He used kids to fight)
holy shit i cannot believe you, i actually cannot
thehumor 10 months ago
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@thehumor lol, you see, I told you
Hordeman89 10 months ago
I listen to Theoden's speech and imagine World War One in which Tolkien himself fought. No 'horse and rider' in the disease-ridden trenches, no glory in the mechanical massacre of men. By then the heroes of old are mere echoes of the past, and the days have truly gone down in the West.
714salamander 10 months ago 7
Gamling and Grimbold should get an award!
drumsrule1011 10 months ago 32
7 Orcs dislike this.
KnightOfDragonsFlame 10 months ago 4
1 word
beautiful
oh wait, amazing!
099skate 10 months ago
10-12 year old boys and old men fighting fearless, mindless monsters (Uruk-hai)... Crap we're dead.
KingofDunedain 11 months ago
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"Where is the horse and the rider?"
"Where is the horne that was blowing?"
"They have past like rain on the mountains"
"Like wind in the middow"
"The days have gone down in the west"
"Behind the hills"
"Into shadow"
"How did it come to this?"
TomekWabik 11 months ago
to whatever end...
Artheleon15 11 months ago 3
Seriously Aragon is THE fighter but Theoden is THE king
tinasepo 11 months ago 52
@tinasepo Only in the movies. In the books Théoden was as much a King and Fighter as Aragorn.
velapulsar 11 months ago
@tinasepo eomer is THE fighter
arthasmetalhatethil 7 months ago
@tinasepo yeah.
ARP7777777 6 months ago
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Flatimir 11 months ago
I would follow a leader like "Aragorn" to whatever end. There are too few really "noble" people left in the world. "How did it come to this?"
thanatos1971 11 months ago
"Well the battle now seems a little irrelevant what with the supernova going on."
JeffreyMLicano11 11 months ago
Seriously, aren't Aragorn and Theoden the two commanders you would want for your army?
thejoker100ify 11 months ago 4
@thejoker100ify Rather Theoden then Aragorn, actually
ekeb1 11 months ago
what does he say towards the end, after he says the 'the days have gone down in the west'?
lolcatsful 11 months ago
@lolcatsful "behind the hills... into shadow." *Uruk-hai marching with epic choir* "How did it come to this?" (vid ends)
One of the most epic scenes in Two Towers in my opinion ^^
Goget124 11 months ago
@lolcatsful "behind the hills, into shadow"
Hurtex 11 months ago
this was soo worth all the time searching for it
muxter101 11 months ago
Good question. Where is the horse and the rider? They are always late Goddammit!!
vars280287 11 months ago 3
King theoden is a sissy watch the movie and see when he gets a little wonded he runes.The uruk-hai are the real heroes not some Horsemaster!
12potatos 1 year ago
@12potatos
It's not a 'little' wound. Theoden gets stabbed by a Uruk Hai Pikemen. He would of died if Tolkien didn't decided he should die at that part of the film.
RobotsGreatWar2 11 months ago
What a true epic movie: they spent around $470 million to make & advertised it and the trilogy made a total profit of around $ 6 billion. Incredible
md991free 1 year ago
I love this speech
md991free 1 year ago
....to whatever end
Delroc88 1 year ago
Where is the horse gone? where the rider?
Where the giver of treasure?
Where are the seats at the feast?
Where are the revels in the hall?
Alas for the bright cup!
Alas for the mailed warrior!
Alas for the splendour of the prince!
How that time has passed away, dark under the cover of night,
as if it had never been.
SaenWyrWulf 1 year ago 3
@SaenWyrWulf Oooh, look here, someone's been stufying the wanderer recently.
Badkarma333 1 year ago