Ohio's 3C Rail debate between Strickland & Kasich

[CultofAdonis]

why the Strickland campaign didn't paint Kasich as "tin soldiers and Nixon's coming" I have no idea. Of course Buckeyes may have found comfort in that image, so I understand why they didn't use that tact.

[johnnyjohnson]

It would have been awesome to have had rail connecting Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and Cleveland. I wonder if the next Governor will be in favor of it, provided Kasich is ousted in 2014?

[smartwarlord]

@johnnyjohnson

I'm a Republican and even I am horrified at Kasich's comments.

It was the Republican Party that built the interstate highway system. We built the Hoover dam, etc. Now we won't even build trains? Wtf!

[johnnyjohnson]

@smartwarlord I normally vote Republican myself, and totally agree with you. This is one vote I definitely regret making.

[Trekkerjon]

Kasich is an ass. Proof:  he was hired by Fox, and Fox only hires asses.

[meccaturbo]

@Trekkerjon No, actually YOU are an ass. Kasich is not.

[intercityrailpal]

@dwnfall07 It's the same as if you flew into town on a old airliner. You know the ones that will be gone because the high price of fuel will fly them into history! (Just watch what happens the next two years in the middle east! You will feel it at the pump!) Trains are all about comfort. Also, Columbus will have a electric street railway system. As the price of gas goes up and up. The suburbs will start to die. People will want to be close to everything to save money.

[Trekkerjon]

@dwnfall07 higher density cities based on more mass transit.

[Trekkerjon]

too bad Ohio has to put up with this foxsnooze bozo for four years.

[Trekkerjon]

@bruced999 our gas is paid for by the blood and guts of soldiers in useless wars.

[ffjsb]

@bruced999 We kill way more young lives from drunk driving than we have lost from Iraq and Afghanistan. Just putting things in perspective.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb half a million to a million iraqi dead as a result of our invasion. that is a lot more than drunk driving accidents.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon Bullshit. Most of those dead are due to Saddam or Islamic terrorists. I know, I was there. Better check your facts.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb Check your facts. The US invaded. The whole country was shut down. a half million to a million iraqis died as a result. I was there too.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon Is it a half million or a million? Make up your mind. If you can't narrow it down to anything closer than half a million, I don't think you have very much credibility.

[Trekkerjon]

A half million to a million is about as good a guess as you get when you shut down an entire country for seven years.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon Why don't you POS liberals come up with some facts instead of guesstimations? I guess you all figure if you repeat your lies often enough, it will become a fact. Sorry, it don't work that way.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb you start out with 150,000 KNOWN DEAD, and then realize the entire country has been shut down for seven years. You do surveys like the Lancet study, and come up with a reasonable conclusion that if you shut down the water works and the hospitals throughout the entire country for that period of time, the deaths are considerably higher than that which can be seen from the Green Zone.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon Ah, so anybody that dies during that time has to be our fault right? I suppose since we made saddam mad, it's our fault he gassed the Kurds. And naturally his sons were bored because they couldn't go anywhere so it's our fault they grabbed all the hot Iraqi women off the street to rape them. And of course anybody who had a problem with that just had to die, again, our fault.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb You have a problem with timelines. Yes, everything afterwards is our fault. the thing about Saddam and his sons is moot. Our invasion did a lot more damage.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon You liberal POS's just love to blame America for everythning. Saddam and insurgents have killed way more Iraqi's that the US military, but you all will never admit it.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb  I don't blame America. I blame bush, Cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowtiz for starting an unnecessary war that has killed hundreds of thousands. Wipe your arse ffjsb.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon When I wipe my ass it reminds me of people like you.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb when YOU wipe your ass you remove brain cell, dumbfuck.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb  are you trying to tell me that rightwingers have a hold on reality?

[intercityrailpal]

@Trekkerjon Yes, and we rebuilt the railroads of Iraq! But there's no money for railroads here!! Just airports, highways, waterways and grants to bus companys, who use public terminals and public highways. Most bus lines do not pay fuel taxes! Not that it matters with the grants to operate fixed route service. Some states even buy the buses and lease them back.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb none of those soldiers should have died in Iraq. they should have had the option to die in a car accident.

[ffjsb]

@Trekkerjon And not one of those soldiers were drafted. They ALL volunteered. Another liberal lie, just like passenger rail, which this video was about until you brought up your BS.

[Trekkerjon]

@ffjsb What is the fact that they all Volunteered have to do with anything? They still died for an unnecessary war.

[pete5668]

Thank you Governor Kasich for popping this balloondoggle.

[gibb1991]

@dwnfall07 Columbus has a bus system that only costs a few cents to ride.

[intercityrailpal]

@gibb1991 Columbus will get city rail and regional rail. After Cinncinnati. Cleveland will reinvent it'self too. It will take years to undo the damage the road system did to this country. The whole city of Cinncinnati has moved three times, leaving old suburbs behind. Competely unsustainable. Not with $3 gas and $5 gas coming. Remember Ohio is the state that did not build the Pike for 15 years after Pennsylvania did!

[phunksound]

Take a good look at the Phoenix high speed rail that was recently completed. It costs more to ride the train than it does to drive from Mesa to Scottsdale in rush hour and it is empty most of the time. High speed rail might be a prospect but definitely not at this point in our economy. Lets talk about permanent jobs, not temp union jobs that will bring out of state workers in by the hundreds.

[joshualapp]

@phunksound: Take a good look at the facts, Phoenix's light rail has been a success, and either way is quite different from what is being proposed for the 3C corridor. Every high-speed rail project in the United States started as a conventional-speed train, like the 3C proposal. The 3C is about giving people choices and moving away from our unbalanced, unsustainable, backwards transportation system and moving towards a 21st century transportation system.

[intercityrailpal]

@phunksound What are you talking about? Phoenix has a very popular CITY rail system. It's not high speed it doesn't even have a express track! Empty? What! They did 11 million passengers last year! Costs more to ride the train? Hertz recently stated it was 54 cents a mile to run a car. Infact you have to buy the car, which costs thousands and thousands of dollars. The oil costs alot of army guys their lives! We have a middle class because of Unions. Middle class can buy things!

[joe59788]

Needs to be faster.

[intercityrailpal]

@joe59788 It will be faster, they have to get it started first!

[joshualapp]

The 3C Rail project goes beyond just the Strickland/Kasich debate. This is about providing a 21st century transportation system for the citizens of Ohio and giving the people of Ohio a choice. We are spending 1.7 billion dollars for 1 mile of freeway in downtown Columbus, $400 million dollars seems like a bargin to link the 4 biggest cities in the most underserved rail corridor in the United States.

[yzerman19wingnut]

How precisely will a 39mph train attract passengers? Might as well ride a horse if that's the case. If passenger rail were a profitable venture you would see businessmen tripping over themselves to build one yet all I hear are crickets chirping. That would just end up being another Amtrak taxpayer subsidy that no one wants to ride.

Perhaps the idiot is the one who thinks its a good idea to re-elect a 300,000+ job killer.

[89sayers]

@yzerman19wingnut The Amtrak system would operate trains at 79 miles per hour by the way, much faster than cars on the highway. Trains are much more efficient than cars and many prominent states already have Amtrak systems of their own (New York, Virginia, California). Kasich apparently knows nothing about trains or Amtrak for that matter, because even freight trains don't run as slow as 39 mph.

[intercityrailpal]

@yzerman19wingnut The 55 mph trains that run now are many times are sold out! The new system is just a start. Modern trains follow modern tracks. And we don"t have them! Many of the dangerous grade crossings would be done away with. Do you like waiting in traffic at these crossings for two mile long freights to pass? Wasteing your gas? No private company will improve these crossings! Why would they? For You? Amtrak does not have to operate the line, it might not be Amtrak at all.

[ffjsb]

@intercityrailpal Freight trains aren't two miles long. and a one mile long train traveling 30 mph will only take 2 min (plus about 10 sec for the signal). You can turn off the engine while the train passes as well. light rail and passenger rail in Ohio is just a pipe dream, there's neither the money or the ridership to justify it at all.

[intercityrailpal]

@ffjsb Freight trains are two miles long with engines in the front and the back today. Mark Twain said "When the world comes to a end I want to be in Ohio". Because they're 20 years behind the times! Ohio before the railroads wanted to stay with RIVER BOATS!

[intercityrailpal]

@yzerman19wingnut Gee why do the 50mph three times aweek Amtrak trains sell out now? Passenger rail tickets were taxed years ago. The billions collected were added to road and air trusts funds and spent on highways and airports even waterways. I guess that was OK right? Some of the railroad companys have oil and car company execs on their board of directors. They might even have the same investors that own the radio station you listen to.

[intercityrailpal]

@yzerman19wingnut Please don't say no one will use it. (you look bad) everyone that rides trains knows the're very popular and can run sold out. That's why this issue came up in the first place! But I do think we have too many roads we just can't afford these roads to nowhere. Just think of the jobs, if we ripped up just the country roads. No one drives on them, they don't pay their way. Close them!

[evantis121]

John Kasich is simply wrong. improved passenger rail will attract users AND improve freight as the relaid tracks will be used by BOTH passenger and freight.

God, he's an idiot.

[intercityrailpal]

@evantis121 No, just on the side of the conveinence store lobby that's against this! Half their income is selling foreign oil.