nice touch with the abe licoln. but he actully started it. when he sent ships thee south actully thought it was a sign of aggresion. so they fired on fort sumnter! no one really knows how it actully started. so im beliving abe did.
Am I the only one who has a strong desire to go die for the Union? Jeez, they don't make propaganda the way they used to. (Note: I don't mean propaganda as in misinformation, rather as in politically motivated media.)
Freedom Syria .. FREEDOM TO SYRIA .. we pay our life to get freedom .. we will not yield .. no matter what .. the world is watching us getting killed everyday .. this world is so ruthless and lost the smallest sense of morality .. all the world stands for is money and business .. but wht is the point of living when we don't live for what we believe .... support Syrians people ...
And could they really call us traitors,When our southern states entered the union they were never told they could not leave, and furthermore had every right to secede.
@DaleDixieMafia and i take it your still an ungratefull hillbilly that wont exept the fact that men are dying for their freedom and is married to their 1st cousin?????
Okay, what part of that was an acceptable statement, exactly?
Congratulations, motherfucker. You just made your way into a doctoral thesis on ruralism, discrimination against Southerners and those "ungrateful hillbillies". Direct quote.
Finally, must I mention that my state, Texas, provides 9.9% of military recruits. So...yeah.
When was this recorded? Not only is the recording so crisp and clear but the Weavers' voices seem very young, it may have well been recorded yesterday with state of the art equipment.
Hallo Victor - Let me give you this simple advice. As long as there is inequality, there will be communism. You can kill every communist - and many have tried. But whatever the name you choose to call them, they will come back unless we build a society with equal opportunity, birth control, renewable-saving technology and, justice. And before you lecture me more about 'communism,' I wish you would please define it. Jesus, some say, was a 'communist.' I guess that's why they killed Him.
@manzrennug: More like, as long as their are communists, inequalities, suffering & all forms of violent death wil be greatly increased in the world. Human suffering can not be solved, only ameliorated. By chasing the vainglorious fantasy that human suffering can somehow be ended, the communists have only succeeded in grossly increasing all these plagues. Mao killed 30-40 million of his own people. Stalin helped Hitler start WWII. Deal with REALITY!
@VictorLepanto Hitler was funded by Prescott Bush, the soviet's largest tank factory was built by the Rothschilds, Lenin was sent into Moscow on board a sealed train that was loaded with gold bullion provided by the German Government at the request of the Warburg banker family, and Trostky was a spoiled rich jewish heir who rode around limousines despite being a lowly reporter for a very unpopular commie paper in NY. He then suddenly shows up in Russia with 20 million bucks.
Ok. No one here should post a message about anyone who they have not read - and can quote. OK? Quote your sources before you speak. You say something about Madison, Marx, Darwin, Jones, Smith - or whoever, then you must be able to quote your source and prove that you really understand the dead person you are presuming to quote. It seems to me this is the least any honest, self-respecting person will do.
I suspect there may be a few unread friends here. True conservatism IS a kind of 'socialism.' Yes, I'm sorry to tell you. Conservatives are NOT libertarians, much less anarchists. No state, no individual freedom because otherwise the gangs take control. Is that what you want? But who are the 'gangs' now? The corporations. The CEOs. They are the ones who control our media and politicians. Unless we get money out of politics, we will have to have another revolution.
Hello everyone. I am an American in Japan now, and while so many other non-Japanese flee this beautiful, magical and dignified country that I love, I will stay here. Many Japanese children are suffering now. Japan has been our loyal ally for the past half century and more. Our soldiers have committed crimes in this country. Let us show them that Americans are really good people. Please donate what you can to the Japanese Red Cross. God bless Japan, our friend and ally.
My friends, we have to remember times were different back then. Good people were misguided by the false hope of communism. They came to their senses. Pete should have come to his sooner. But politically ignorant people can still be good people. And if Pete Seeger is anything, he is a patriot for the United States. No one can listen to his music and deny that. He has done a lot of work to preserve the folk music of the US, North and South.
@manzrennug: I believe I am the only who has mentioned Seeger here, so I will assume you were addressing my comment. You are more willing to be generous to Seeger then I, you are too generous. Lindeberg was also a patriot in his own odd fashion. No one ever discusses his life w/o reference to his softness on Hitler. Stalin began WWII as Hitler''s ally. He murdered his millions years before Hitler got going. He left a far higher body count then Hitler. Read Black Book of Communism, no excuses.
@VictorLepanto My dear sir, is your message not misdirected? But if not, I don't know that Pete ever put Hitler and Stalin in the same bag. If so, please tell me your source. My compatriot (if indeed you are), Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer. So I can only conclude that you either hate Britain and don't know anything about the principles underlying the US (and British) Constitution, or that you yourself are a Nazi sympathizer.
@VictorLepanto Your comments are very frightening, sir. Are we to say one murderer is okay because there was another murderer who was worse? That seems to be your argument. Let us, you and me, fight against all murders. Let us protect our families, our children. And when we raise them, let us not teach them hate. Let use teach them the love of learning. 'Communism' is the least thing we have to worry about, my friend. What did Jesus say? 'Don't praise me with your lips. Do as I do!'
@manzrennug: Who is talking about some murderers being better then other murderers? What are you on about. Just read what I say & don't project your own prejudices into my comments. As if communists haven't been filled the most murderous hate, going back to Marx himself. He talked openly in his writing of a holocaust of nations in Eastern Europe, he thought entire races deserved to be wiped out. Read it! Lenin talked about exterminating "kulaks," years b/f Stalin.
@: Mao alone murdered 30-40 million of his own people. The total dead of WWII is estimated at around 50 million. & Stalin invaded Poland WITH Hitler. He only turned against Hitler when Hitler invaded Russia. So communists are also implicated Hitler's crimes. The person who is coming close suggesting some murderers are better then others is you.
@VictorLepanto OK. I apologize if my comment was vague. What I meant to say was that, as you seem to be educated, you must know that Lindeberg was decorated by the Nazis. He was a Nazi sympathizer. I believe that is a historical fact. Is that ok with you?
@manzrennug: & this fact is never omitted in treatments of Lindeberg's, & it never should be. That Seeger & many other communists were apologists for Stalin is systematically omitted from discussions of their lives. If being an apologist for, or "soft" on, Hitler is a damning fact. How about being soft on Hitler's #1 ally at the start of WWII? Hitler would never have dared to invade Poland w/o the collusion Stalin. The Soviets turned over many 1,000s of Polish Jews to Hitler. FACTS!
@VictorLepanto My friend, Pete Seeger made many mistakes. But the US was allied with Stalin, don't forget it. If you blame Pete, then blame the whole US. It was war! The original publisher of Woody Guthrie's records committed suicide when he learned of Stalin's crimes. Yes. Many of the Old Left were misguided, including Seeger. But you seem to portray Seeger as one of the NKVD who assassinated the Polish officers in the Katyn forest. That is a lie. It is a crime to falsely accuse someone.
@manzrennug: The U.S., folllowing the lead of the pragmatic lead of the British preceeding us, aided Soviet Russia as somewhat machiavellian measure to thward Hitler. If good allies, like the Poles, Czechs, or the Norwegians had been available to us, we would have aided them. But Stalin helped Hitler conquer all these others countries but for Czechoslovakia. Until Barbarosa, Stalin was 100% aiding Hitler all the way. As for Seeger & Katyn, a rediculous strawman argument.
There is a direct line from McCarthyism to the Bank Blowout & Bailout, destroying homes, lives AND our Economy.
If generations of economic, & political thinkers had not been SILENCED by the McCarthy arrogance, Wall Street could never have gotten away with gambling with the security & future of America.
We desperately need the CRITICAL THINKERS you would still silence, to see our way clear of the horrendous decisions made by our corporatized "government" run from the Boardroom.
McCarthy a Conservative Republican, The Junior Senator. Tricky Dick got his start with him. With all fondness, Dick is like 8th Cousin but then so is Barack Obama.
@pacificprospector: It get sick of hearing about this mythical "blacklist." Blacklisted by whom? People talk about a blacklisting of certain communists in Hollywood b/c the "movie moghuls" had real control there. Singers aren't movie actors, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Most so-called blacklistvictims, truly were communists & it has been proven. Stalin was greatest mass murderer in history & those who would celebrate him have right to feign outrage when others object.
@Victor During the Red Scare, however, Pete Seeger and Lee Hays were denounced as Communist Party members by FBI informant Harvey Matusow (who later recanted) and ended up being called up to testify to the House Committee on Un-American Activities in 1955....Because Seeger was among those listed in the entertainment industry blacklist publication, Red Channels, all of the Weavers were placed under FBI surveillance and not allowed to perform on television or radio during the McCarty era.(off Wiki
@pacificprospector: Pete Seeger was frequent performer at Communist events venues. The whole "folk music" movement was rooted in communist activists & the whole Communist notion of using modified folk songs to seduce a local population. Mao did the same thing. The Nazis did the same thing for that matter. Seeger only denounced Stalin w/in the last 10yrs for instance. If they were put under serveillance, I'm highly confident they needed to be. Stalin was the greatest mass murderer in history.
@allenshepard I remember similar stories of E.Germans getting their records from the Stasi when the east fell apart. I think the era of fear and paranoia that we in the west accuse the Commies off, is something we unfortunately share ourselves.
Political and ideological non-sense aside, I hope is that we can all move forward and put this era of our past behind us and to learn from it.
It is when we vilify our neighbours, that we also condemn ourselves.
if you grew up in the 30's and were educated you went to see about communism, there was a strong feeling among many that capitalism was not working and that there might be better ways- clearly in retrospect communism was not the answer- but to drive these people out of their work for stuff they had done 20 -30 years before was fascist .most of the blacklisted were not communists
@gergnamhel: The communist allied themselves w/ the Nazis & began WWII together as allies in invading Poland. No communist party except for a handful of Trotskyite sectarians opposed this action of Stalin. Apart from the dissident Trotskyites, all communist parties were clandestinely financed by Stalin. All communists were treasonous quisling agents of Stalin. The communists had a policy of maintaining open members & covert secret members. EVERYONE ON THE "BLACKLIST" WAS STALINIST & A TRAITOR."
That's bullsh!t. Not everyone blacklisted were Communists only a few like Dashiel Hammett and Lionel Stander. Also being a Communist wasn't illegal, though you wouldn't believe that the way moronic right-wingnuts and reactionarie McCarthyists (some of which were agents for the USSR anyway... so in your view traitors...). Many on the list just agreed with Trade Unions and social equality, others just didn't see what was so "evil" about Communism.
@VictorLepanto Everyone on the blacklists were Stalinists and traitors? Actually, you are wrong, as not even all communists were Stalinist (some were Trotskyists), and many were just supporters of Unions and social activist. You are speaking nonsense, Victor.
@Wodanaz: I recall news reports of Pete Seeger finally admitting about 5yrs back that maybe Stalin was nasty no goodnk after all. Stalin won't serve as the scapegoat for all of communisms sins. It was Lenin who elevated Stalin to where he could snatch power. It was Lenin who crreated the Cheka & Gulag. Lenin talked about murdering "kulaks." Trotsky helped all along. The only problem Trotsky had w/ Stalin is that Stalin won & Trotsky lost. Stalin only increased what Lenin, Trotsky started.
@VictorLepanto does anyone ever look at what the true "Bolsheviks," given by the powerhungry the moniker "Menshiviks," rather soberly believed and wished for true world socialism. Why do we never hear the rest of the story?
@jeff62rey: I have no real interest in waiting through the vain verbal distinctions of the various sectarians of socialism. Why anyone takes some kind of sick comfort in this demented hallucinations is an astonisment.
@VictorLepanto Firstly ''gulags'' are not the same as concentration camps or death camps, the harshness of these under Lenin's reign are over-exaggerated in popular culture. But you seem to be quite naive. It is easy to talk about some brutalities that happened under Lenin as cruel and unneeded, but what do you expect from a revolution? A garden party? Revolutions are bloody and violent for a reason.
@Wodanaz: Yes, absolutely, 100%: GULAG = concentration camps. Go read GULAG Archepelago. There is NOTHING exaggerated about Lenin's role in communist attrocities of every kind. Go read Marx himself. He talks approvingly of causing "holocausts" in Eastern Europe & in the "3rd World." He looked forward to it. Mass extermination campaigns have been INTRINSIC to commumist thought from its beginning. There videos on Youtube w/ Marx's quote calling for "holocausts."
@VictorLepanto Incorrect, sir. Lenin was alive for less than two years after the revolution and it is an obvious swing of propaganda to tie him in with the actions and decisions of the man who had him poisoned, Joseph Stalin. And if you are going to quote Marx, perhaps you could also point out that his definition of Capitalism was a system where the labor is divided using money, his def of Communism was a moneyless society, so what the hell are you bringing up Marx for when discussing Stalin?
@VictorLepanto It is a sad fact, yes, but you have to realize that when you take a country in a revolution, you have to do some things that seem terrible to people living in a zone of peace and prosperity. What do you expect, the White Russians and other enemies to just lay down and allow the Bolsheviks to peacefully implement their plans. No, that is why the Bolsheviks had to keep fighting and why harsh measures, which are sad, are somewhat necessary.
@Wodanaz: I would have expected the "Bolsheviks" (an Orwellian inversion term if ever there was one) to lay down not implement their evil plot to enslave their nation. More importantly, to do so in a time of war & at the behest of their nations invading enemy. No one voted the Bolsheviks in. No one in Russia wanted them, No asked for them to come back. Russia's ENEMY sent their as saboteurs to ruin the country for Germany's benefit. Did a damn good job of it too.
@VictorLepanto Lie! No one wanted the Bolsheviks, sure, after all, they were a Western Bank Cartel Front under the leadership of the infamous Colonel House, but they clearly wanted Socialism, very much. To state this in such a way as you did is quite misleading, it would appear to obfiscate the fact that Czar Nicholas had suffered several attempted revolutions before 1917, in every region of his immense State.
@Wodanaz Agreed Wodanaz. The French revolution, incorrectly remember for being so barbaric and bloodthirsty, fell well short of the goal, and it was what, one generation for the Monarchists to come back into power? Elites power lies in their rolodex's, nothing more. Donald Trump has proved this again, and again, and again. If you leave the White Russians, who's neglect probably contributed to every death in your extended family, alive, they simply get together again.
@VictorLepanto Also why attack Communism for any crimes against humanity and not Capitalism? You do realize that Capitalism has also caused massacres, genocides and inhumanity for centuries, or were slavery, the massacre of Native Americans (for land and prophet) and the onslaught of Imperialism, the act of Communist societies? No, sorry.
@Wodanaz: No! Capitalism has not caused any massacres. Free non state actors can not cause massacres. Apart from occasional lunatic going on a killing spree. They usually dont last long. "Capitalism" is a term of abuse invented by Marxists to abuse those merely wish to practice their basic fundamental human right engage in free enterprise. It is thus like the other epithet of the communists, "Kulak." Both dehumanising words of abuse have been just as sanguinary in their effects.
@VictorLepanto So my final point would be that yes, capitalism caused many massacres if you count the funding. All of these communist states you vehemently refer to were launched and assisted by the most powerful capitalists in Europe, for the express purpose of justifying an increase in fascist legislation back home. (Before 1950 fascism was defined as any government which is run by the private business sector, leading to tyranny and despotic legislation).
@VictorLepanto and "Communism" is a term of abuse propagated by international bankers to wrangle up every revolution against established property into one category and demonize them collectively in order to manipulate sheep. You know, the American Revolution was technically a socialist uprising of the poor to seize land from the propertied elites, or, a redistribution of wealth, or, a communist uprising, if we are to use the Bank of Zurich's own terminology. The poor were fighting for land.
@Wodanaz cont... They get together again, and they create an army out of thin air by recruiting of course their old constituents but more decisively when they reappear huge masses of scabs run over to their side in the hopes of achieving middle class status, and sell out everything eveyone had been working for. This happens in history on every bloody page, how could you miss it?
@VictorLepanto Capitalism and Communism have both a lot to answer for, but I am a socialist because I do not agree with shareholders getting more money than those who worked for it. Why should someone break his back in labour when people sit around getting rich in shares?
@Wodanaz: To talk like there were some kind of equal competition b/t "capitalism" & socialism is rather like a fundamentalist who talks like "creationism" & evolutionism were competing views. One is a scientific description of how human economics REALLY works, the other is a cloud coo-coo land fantasy about a perfect world. A "capitalist" is just a person who is exercising his basic human right to engage in free enterprise. Might as well say free speech & censorship have alot to answer for.
@VictorLepanto Free enterprise? The Market is controlled by our Government, daily, look at silver. Our money is arbitrarily devalued at random without democratic function every time the industrio military complex needs to pay the rent. Our resources have been roped off under the guise of a park system to be 'drip-distrubuted' quietly over time into the hands of the waiting order, outside of any public announcement or auction. 'Intellectual Property' has destroyed any hope of a free market.
@pacificprospector Do you have a freedom to be hired anywhere? Even today, if an actor has unacceptable views (like Mel Gibson's anti-sentimitic incident) they find it difficult to get hired in Hollywood. This may be wrong-headed (I am a Jew and I like Mel's movies) but this is nowhere near the same ballpark as slavery.
@MicroBalrog I get the feeling Mel (who I feels is also a talented actor) has a number of "issues" he is dealing with, if it was not antisemitism, it would be some other cause. I would not hire Mel because of his views, but because he seems generally unhealthy and needs help in my opinion.
nice touch with the abe licoln. but he actully started it. when he sent ships thee south actully thought it was a sign of aggresion. so they fired on fort sumnter! no one really knows how it actully started. so im beliving abe did.
shockingzombie242 1 week ago
Am I the only one who has a strong desire to go die for the Union? Jeez, they don't make propaganda the way they used to. (Note: I don't mean propaganda as in misinformation, rather as in politically motivated media.)
AResponsibleCitizen 2 weeks ago in playlist Marching Songs etc
Very nice song. Me gusta mucho este tema.
RDOFCO1 3 weeks ago
Great song! USA!!!!
karleigh124 1 month ago
Commie, bed-wetter, leftists but they sing it superbly!!!!!
Jubilo1 1 month ago
I like this song (and to arms in Dixie) they both have nice tunes. :)
DropThatBass5567 2 months ago
the union forever
defending our rights
down with the blackleg, all workers unite!
with our brothers and our sisters
from many far-off lands
there is power in a union!
justaddcorn 3 months ago
Freedom Syria .. FREEDOM TO SYRIA .. we pay our life to get freedom .. we will not yield .. no matter what .. the world is watching us getting killed everyday .. this world is so ruthless and lost the smallest sense of morality .. all the world stands for is money and business .. but wht is the point of living when we don't live for what we believe .... support Syrians people ...
syriafreedomish 4 months ago
@syriafreedomish uh ok but this is america though not trying to bedisrespectful though
TsumeBeta038 3 months ago
@syriafreedomish God bless you and what the Syrian people are trying to do.
DOWN WITH THE SECTARIAN IRANIAN PUPPET REGIME OF BASHAR AL ASSAD!!!
Christian121y 2 months ago
DOWN WITH THE CROWN AND UP WITH THE BALLOT!!!
360Nomad 4 months ago
The Union forever!
Hurrah boys hurrah!
Down with the traitor, and up with the star,
While we rally round the flag, boys
Rally once again
Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom!
TheRapper10000 5 months ago
I wanna hear man-voice :/
MultiBrados 5 months ago
And could they really call us traitors,When our southern states entered the union they were never told they could not leave, and furthermore had every right to secede.
DaleDixieMafia 6 months ago
@DaleDixieMafia and i take it your still an ungratefull hillbilly that wont exept the fact that men are dying for their freedom and is married to their 1st cousin?????
RIPxX2pac 5 months ago
@RIPxX2pac
Okay, what part of that was an acceptable statement, exactly?
Congratulations, motherfucker. You just made your way into a doctoral thesis on ruralism, discrimination against Southerners and those "ungrateful hillbillies". Direct quote.
Finally, must I mention that my state, Texas, provides 9.9% of military recruits. So...yeah.
FlashHawk4 4 months ago
@RIPxX2pac
And, of course, now this part happens.
*I.
*You're.
*Ungrateful.
*Won't.
*Except.
*Your.
*One question mark is all that is needed.
If you're going to be a bigoted, closed-minded idiot, please do so with spelling and grammar.
FlashHawk4 4 months ago
@RIPxX2pac lol terrible but probably true
TsumeBeta038 3 months ago
Pfft a woman sings their war songs, while Tennesee Ernie Ford sings our version of Battle Cry Of Freedom.
DaleDixieMafia 6 months ago
@DaleDixieMafia what the hell are you talking about
allenshepard 3 months ago
TAKE THAT: ALL! you wicked and evil people on Earth and from other planets!!
dakotagerman1 9 months ago
A fine song, beautifully performed.
TerryDowne 9 months ago
Love it.
campatw 9 months ago
When was this recorded? Not only is the recording so crisp and clear but the Weavers' voices seem very young, it may have well been recorded yesterday with state of the art equipment.
Etnecserc 10 months ago
Hallo Victor - Let me give you this simple advice. As long as there is inequality, there will be communism. You can kill every communist - and many have tried. But whatever the name you choose to call them, they will come back unless we build a society with equal opportunity, birth control, renewable-saving technology and, justice. And before you lecture me more about 'communism,' I wish you would please define it. Jesus, some say, was a 'communist.' I guess that's why they killed Him.
manzrennug 10 months ago
@manzrennug: More like, as long as their are communists, inequalities, suffering & all forms of violent death wil be greatly increased in the world. Human suffering can not be solved, only ameliorated. By chasing the vainglorious fantasy that human suffering can somehow be ended, the communists have only succeeded in grossly increasing all these plagues. Mao killed 30-40 million of his own people. Stalin helped Hitler start WWII. Deal with REALITY!
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto Hitler was funded by Prescott Bush, the soviet's largest tank factory was built by the Rothschilds, Lenin was sent into Moscow on board a sealed train that was loaded with gold bullion provided by the German Government at the request of the Warburg banker family, and Trostky was a spoiled rich jewish heir who rode around limousines despite being a lowly reporter for a very unpopular commie paper in NY. He then suddenly shows up in Russia with 20 million bucks.
ckatch22 9 months ago
Ok. No one here should post a message about anyone who they have not read - and can quote. OK? Quote your sources before you speak. You say something about Madison, Marx, Darwin, Jones, Smith - or whoever, then you must be able to quote your source and prove that you really understand the dead person you are presuming to quote. It seems to me this is the least any honest, self-respecting person will do.
manzrennug 10 months ago
I suspect there may be a few unread friends here. True conservatism IS a kind of 'socialism.' Yes, I'm sorry to tell you. Conservatives are NOT libertarians, much less anarchists. No state, no individual freedom because otherwise the gangs take control. Is that what you want? But who are the 'gangs' now? The corporations. The CEOs. They are the ones who control our media and politicians. Unless we get money out of politics, we will have to have another revolution.
manzrennug 10 months ago
Hello everyone. I am an American in Japan now, and while so many other non-Japanese flee this beautiful, magical and dignified country that I love, I will stay here. Many Japanese children are suffering now. Japan has been our loyal ally for the past half century and more. Our soldiers have committed crimes in this country. Let us show them that Americans are really good people. Please donate what you can to the Japanese Red Cross. God bless Japan, our friend and ally.
manzrennug 11 months ago
My friends, we have to remember times were different back then. Good people were misguided by the false hope of communism. They came to their senses. Pete should have come to his sooner. But politically ignorant people can still be good people. And if Pete Seeger is anything, he is a patriot for the United States. No one can listen to his music and deny that. He has done a lot of work to preserve the folk music of the US, North and South.
manzrennug 11 months ago
@manzrennug: I believe I am the only who has mentioned Seeger here, so I will assume you were addressing my comment. You are more willing to be generous to Seeger then I, you are too generous. Lindeberg was also a patriot in his own odd fashion. No one ever discusses his life w/o reference to his softness on Hitler. Stalin began WWII as Hitler''s ally. He murdered his millions years before Hitler got going. He left a far higher body count then Hitler. Read Black Book of Communism, no excuses.
VictorLepanto 11 months ago
@VictorLepanto My dear sir, is your message not misdirected? But if not, I don't know that Pete ever put Hitler and Stalin in the same bag. If so, please tell me your source. My compatriot (if indeed you are), Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer. So I can only conclude that you either hate Britain and don't know anything about the principles underlying the US (and British) Constitution, or that you yourself are a Nazi sympathizer.
manzrennug 11 months ago
@VictorLepanto Your comments are very frightening, sir. Are we to say one murderer is okay because there was another murderer who was worse? That seems to be your argument. Let us, you and me, fight against all murders. Let us protect our families, our children. And when we raise them, let us not teach them hate. Let use teach them the love of learning. 'Communism' is the least thing we have to worry about, my friend. What did Jesus say? 'Don't praise me with your lips. Do as I do!'
manzrennug 10 months ago
@manzrennug: Who is talking about some murderers being better then other murderers? What are you on about. Just read what I say & don't project your own prejudices into my comments. As if communists haven't been filled the most murderous hate, going back to Marx himself. He talked openly in his writing of a holocaust of nations in Eastern Europe, he thought entire races deserved to be wiped out. Read it! Lenin talked about exterminating "kulaks," years b/f Stalin.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@: Mao alone murdered 30-40 million of his own people. The total dead of WWII is estimated at around 50 million. & Stalin invaded Poland WITH Hitler. He only turned against Hitler when Hitler invaded Russia. So communists are also implicated Hitler's crimes. The person who is coming close suggesting some murderers are better then others is you.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto OK. I apologize if my comment was vague. What I meant to say was that, as you seem to be educated, you must know that Lindeberg was decorated by the Nazis. He was a Nazi sympathizer. I believe that is a historical fact. Is that ok with you?
manzrennug 10 months ago
@manzrennug: & this fact is never omitted in treatments of Lindeberg's, & it never should be. That Seeger & many other communists were apologists for Stalin is systematically omitted from discussions of their lives. If being an apologist for, or "soft" on, Hitler is a damning fact. How about being soft on Hitler's #1 ally at the start of WWII? Hitler would never have dared to invade Poland w/o the collusion Stalin. The Soviets turned over many 1,000s of Polish Jews to Hitler. FACTS!
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto My friend, Pete Seeger made many mistakes. But the US was allied with Stalin, don't forget it. If you blame Pete, then blame the whole US. It was war! The original publisher of Woody Guthrie's records committed suicide when he learned of Stalin's crimes. Yes. Many of the Old Left were misguided, including Seeger. But you seem to portray Seeger as one of the NKVD who assassinated the Polish officers in the Katyn forest. That is a lie. It is a crime to falsely accuse someone.
manzrennug 10 months ago
@manzrennug: The U.S., folllowing the lead of the pragmatic lead of the British preceeding us, aided Soviet Russia as somewhat machiavellian measure to thward Hitler. If good allies, like the Poles, Czechs, or the Norwegians had been available to us, we would have aided them. But Stalin helped Hitler conquer all these others countries but for Czechoslovakia. Until Barbarosa, Stalin was 100% aiding Hitler all the way. As for Seeger & Katyn, a rediculous strawman argument.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
what does blacklist mean again?
hellokitty01262000 11 months ago
Confederates should have won!!!
robekka1 11 months ago
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@VictorLepanto
There is a direct line from McCarthyism to the Bank Blowout & Bailout, destroying homes, lives AND our Economy.
If generations of economic, & political thinkers had not been SILENCED by the McCarthy arrogance, Wall Street could never have gotten away with gambling with the security & future of America.
We desperately need the CRITICAL THINKERS you would still silence, to see our way clear of the horrendous decisions made by our corporatized "government" run from the Boardroom.
inspired14U 11 months ago
Uh Dude......you spelled brothers wrong :D
Doozersb82 11 months ago
confederates is way better
arrogon77 1 year ago
Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman and Bush (son)... my favorite US presidents!
Fuck the racist slave owners! they didn't deserve to be part of the great nation of America, land of freedom and right.
The Union forever! hurra!
AndresHerutJaim 1 year ago
McCarthy a Conservative Republican, The Junior Senator. Tricky Dick got his start with him. With all fondness, Dick is like 8th Cousin but then so is Barack Obama.
progressiverebel 1 year ago
It is sad that during the McCarthy era, these performers where blacklisted. Perhaps the freedom they were singing about was still being fought for...?
Like the song and the singers. Thanks for posting.
pacificprospector 1 year ago 17
@pacificprospector: It get sick of hearing about this mythical "blacklist." Blacklisted by whom? People talk about a blacklisting of certain communists in Hollywood b/c the "movie moghuls" had real control there. Singers aren't movie actors, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Most so-called blacklistvictims, truly were communists & it has been proven. Stalin was greatest mass murderer in history & those who would celebrate him have right to feign outrage when others object.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
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supernaturalbc2009 1 year ago
@Victor During the Red Scare, however, Pete Seeger and Lee Hays were denounced as Communist Party members by FBI informant Harvey Matusow (who later recanted) and ended up being called up to testify to the House Committee on Un-American Activities in 1955....Because Seeger was among those listed in the entertainment industry blacklist publication, Red Channels, all of the Weavers were placed under FBI surveillance and not allowed to perform on television or radio during the McCarty era.(off Wiki
pacificprospector 1 year ago 4
@pacificprospector: Pete Seeger was frequent performer at Communist events venues. The whole "folk music" movement was rooted in communist activists & the whole Communist notion of using modified folk songs to seduce a local population. Mao did the same thing. The Nazis did the same thing for that matter. Seeger only denounced Stalin w/in the last 10yrs for instance. If they were put under serveillance, I'm highly confident they needed to be. Stalin was the greatest mass murderer in history.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
@pacificprospector Harold Leventhal and alan lomax both later got their " FBI" papers and there were 800 some pages on them.
allenshepard 1 month ago
@allenshepard I remember similar stories of E.Germans getting their records from the Stasi when the east fell apart. I think the era of fear and paranoia that we in the west accuse the Commies off, is something we unfortunately share ourselves.
Political and ideological non-sense aside, I hope is that we can all move forward and put this era of our past behind us and to learn from it.
It is when we vilify our neighbours, that we also condemn ourselves.
pacificprospector 1 month ago 2
@VictorLepanto
if you grew up in the 30's and were educated you went to see about communism, there was a strong feeling among many that capitalism was not working and that there might be better ways- clearly in retrospect communism was not the answer- but to drive these people out of their work for stuff they had done 20 -30 years before was fascist .most of the blacklisted were not communists
gergnamhel 1 year ago
@gergnamhel: The communist allied themselves w/ the Nazis & began WWII together as allies in invading Poland. No communist party except for a handful of Trotskyite sectarians opposed this action of Stalin. Apart from the dissident Trotskyites, all communist parties were clandestinely financed by Stalin. All communists were treasonous quisling agents of Stalin. The communists had a policy of maintaining open members & covert secret members. EVERYONE ON THE "BLACKLIST" WAS STALINIST & A TRAITOR."
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
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HimWotMustBeObeyed 11 months ago
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@VictorLepanto
That's bullsh!t. Not everyone blacklisted were Communists only a few like Dashiel Hammett and Lionel Stander. Also being a Communist wasn't illegal, though you wouldn't believe that the way moronic right-wingnuts and reactionarie McCarthyists (some of which were agents for the USSR anyway... so in your view traitors...). Many on the list just agreed with Trade Unions and social equality, others just didn't see what was so "evil" about Communism.
HimWotMustBeObeyed 11 months ago
@VictorLepanto Everyone on the blacklists were Stalinists and traitors? Actually, you are wrong, as not even all communists were Stalinist (some were Trotskyists), and many were just supporters of Unions and social activist. You are speaking nonsense, Victor.
Wodanaz 11 months ago
@Wodanaz: I recall news reports of Pete Seeger finally admitting about 5yrs back that maybe Stalin was nasty no goodnk after all. Stalin won't serve as the scapegoat for all of communisms sins. It was Lenin who elevated Stalin to where he could snatch power. It was Lenin who crreated the Cheka & Gulag. Lenin talked about murdering "kulaks." Trotsky helped all along. The only problem Trotsky had w/ Stalin is that Stalin won & Trotsky lost. Stalin only increased what Lenin, Trotsky started.
VictorLepanto 11 months ago
@VictorLepanto does anyone ever look at what the true "Bolsheviks," given by the powerhungry the moniker "Menshiviks," rather soberly believed and wished for true world socialism. Why do we never hear the rest of the story?
jeff62rey 11 months ago
@jeff62rey: I have no real interest in waiting through the vain verbal distinctions of the various sectarians of socialism. Why anyone takes some kind of sick comfort in this demented hallucinations is an astonisment.
VictorLepanto 11 months ago
@VictorLepanto Firstly ''gulags'' are not the same as concentration camps or death camps, the harshness of these under Lenin's reign are over-exaggerated in popular culture. But you seem to be quite naive. It is easy to talk about some brutalities that happened under Lenin as cruel and unneeded, but what do you expect from a revolution? A garden party? Revolutions are bloody and violent for a reason.
Wodanaz 10 months ago
@Wodanaz: Yes, absolutely, 100%: GULAG = concentration camps. Go read GULAG Archepelago. There is NOTHING exaggerated about Lenin's role in communist attrocities of every kind. Go read Marx himself. He talks approvingly of causing "holocausts" in Eastern Europe & in the "3rd World." He looked forward to it. Mass extermination campaigns have been INTRINSIC to commumist thought from its beginning. There videos on Youtube w/ Marx's quote calling for "holocausts."
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto Incorrect, sir. Lenin was alive for less than two years after the revolution and it is an obvious swing of propaganda to tie him in with the actions and decisions of the man who had him poisoned, Joseph Stalin. And if you are going to quote Marx, perhaps you could also point out that his definition of Capitalism was a system where the labor is divided using money, his def of Communism was a moneyless society, so what the hell are you bringing up Marx for when discussing Stalin?
ckatch22 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto It is a sad fact, yes, but you have to realize that when you take a country in a revolution, you have to do some things that seem terrible to people living in a zone of peace and prosperity. What do you expect, the White Russians and other enemies to just lay down and allow the Bolsheviks to peacefully implement their plans. No, that is why the Bolsheviks had to keep fighting and why harsh measures, which are sad, are somewhat necessary.
Wodanaz 10 months ago
@Wodanaz: I would have expected the "Bolsheviks" (an Orwellian inversion term if ever there was one) to lay down not implement their evil plot to enslave their nation. More importantly, to do so in a time of war & at the behest of their nations invading enemy. No one voted the Bolsheviks in. No one in Russia wanted them, No asked for them to come back. Russia's ENEMY sent their as saboteurs to ruin the country for Germany's benefit. Did a damn good job of it too.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto Lie! No one wanted the Bolsheviks, sure, after all, they were a Western Bank Cartel Front under the leadership of the infamous Colonel House, but they clearly wanted Socialism, very much. To state this in such a way as you did is quite misleading, it would appear to obfiscate the fact that Czar Nicholas had suffered several attempted revolutions before 1917, in every region of his immense State.
ckatch22 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto Ha ha ha ha ha.... you said Evil... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... Damned sorcerers will get ya every time!
ckatch22 9 months ago
@ckatch22: Who are you & what are you talking about?
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
@Wodanaz Agreed Wodanaz. The French revolution, incorrectly remember for being so barbaric and bloodthirsty, fell well short of the goal, and it was what, one generation for the Monarchists to come back into power? Elites power lies in their rolodex's, nothing more. Donald Trump has proved this again, and again, and again. If you leave the White Russians, who's neglect probably contributed to every death in your extended family, alive, they simply get together again.
ckatch22 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto Also why attack Communism for any crimes against humanity and not Capitalism? You do realize that Capitalism has also caused massacres, genocides and inhumanity for centuries, or were slavery, the massacre of Native Americans (for land and prophet) and the onslaught of Imperialism, the act of Communist societies? No, sorry.
Wodanaz 10 months ago
@Wodanaz: No! Capitalism has not caused any massacres. Free non state actors can not cause massacres. Apart from occasional lunatic going on a killing spree. They usually dont last long. "Capitalism" is a term of abuse invented by Marxists to abuse those merely wish to practice their basic fundamental human right engage in free enterprise. It is thus like the other epithet of the communists, "Kulak." Both dehumanising words of abuse have been just as sanguinary in their effects.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto So my final point would be that yes, capitalism caused many massacres if you count the funding. All of these communist states you vehemently refer to were launched and assisted by the most powerful capitalists in Europe, for the express purpose of justifying an increase in fascist legislation back home. (Before 1950 fascism was defined as any government which is run by the private business sector, leading to tyranny and despotic legislation).
ckatch22 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto and "Communism" is a term of abuse propagated by international bankers to wrangle up every revolution against established property into one category and demonize them collectively in order to manipulate sheep. You know, the American Revolution was technically a socialist uprising of the poor to seize land from the propertied elites, or, a redistribution of wealth, or, a communist uprising, if we are to use the Bank of Zurich's own terminology. The poor were fighting for land.
ckatch22 9 months ago
@Wodanaz cont... They get together again, and they create an army out of thin air by recruiting of course their old constituents but more decisively when they reappear huge masses of scabs run over to their side in the hopes of achieving middle class status, and sell out everything eveyone had been working for. This happens in history on every bloody page, how could you miss it?
ckatch22 9 months ago
@VictorLepanto Capitalism and Communism have both a lot to answer for, but I am a socialist because I do not agree with shareholders getting more money than those who worked for it. Why should someone break his back in labour when people sit around getting rich in shares?
Wodanaz 10 months ago
@Wodanaz: To talk like there were some kind of equal competition b/t "capitalism" & socialism is rather like a fundamentalist who talks like "creationism" & evolutionism were competing views. One is a scientific description of how human economics REALLY works, the other is a cloud coo-coo land fantasy about a perfect world. A "capitalist" is just a person who is exercising his basic human right to engage in free enterprise. Might as well say free speech & censorship have alot to answer for.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto Free enterprise? The Market is controlled by our Government, daily, look at silver. Our money is arbitrarily devalued at random without democratic function every time the industrio military complex needs to pay the rent. Our resources have been roped off under the guise of a park system to be 'drip-distrubuted' quietly over time into the hands of the waiting order, outside of any public announcement or auction. 'Intellectual Property' has destroyed any hope of a free market.
ckatch22 9 months ago
@pacificprospector IS still being fought for, jeez...
ckatch22 9 months ago
@pacificprospector Do you have a freedom to be hired anywhere? Even today, if an actor has unacceptable views (like Mel Gibson's anti-sentimitic incident) they find it difficult to get hired in Hollywood. This may be wrong-headed (I am a Jew and I like Mel's movies) but this is nowhere near the same ballpark as slavery.
MicroBalrog 4 months ago
@MicroBalrog I get the feeling Mel (who I feels is also a talented actor) has a number of "issues" he is dealing with, if it was not antisemitism, it would be some other cause. I would not hire Mel because of his views, but because he seems generally unhealthy and needs help in my opinion.
pacificprospector 1 month ago
What a beautiful rendition by a great group of singers. "NOT A MAN SHALL BE A SLAVE"--if America means one thing, THAT is it.
TerryDowne 1 year ago
Wouldn't it be nice if wars were only fought between bands and basketball teams?
setnaffa 1 year ago 2
propably best version of this song ive seen yet
rifleman296 1 year ago
The south fight gallantly and bravely...but for a bad cause.
God bless America and may the light of freedom she wore never fade.
Filohippo2 1 year ago 2
im a reb but we are all americans and all free thanks for this i needed it
REfanboys1 1 year ago
A well done rendition of such a great classic. It makes me wish ... just for a moment ... that I was from up North.
Nanjing03 1 year ago
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
SamHagagaga 1 year ago
amen!
101swimdiva87 1 year ago
Reminds me of my dad's side of the family. We had ancestors on both sides, all from Lincoln County, Tennessee.
Killermuffin1 2 years ago
I fukken LOVE this song.
Afarq 2 years ago
Many Thanks!
grummeper 2 years ago 8