Burned Out Provo Tabernacle Research Among Rubble Turns Up Original Historic Hidden Beautiful Painted Decorations: See inside photo and short video at blog mormonartconservation
I can't believe how many anti-Mormon comments there are on this video considering it is a video of a local historical landmark burning. Aside from the building being used for church meetings, nowhere was the church or anything related to it brought up and therefore should not be discussed on such a video.
@Soul4JC The LDS church has the correct understanding of the roles and nature of Jesus Christ and God the Father. The "mainstream christian" sects follow an apostate Gospel that has been altered to agree with Pagan Greek Philosophy and politics. For example the doctrine of the Trinity was formulated by a Pagan emperor to agree with Pagan Green Philosophy for political reasons.
@Soul4JC Jesus Christ is the firstborn spirit child of God the Father. Jesus Christ is a separate being from God the Father as it says in the Bible. Jesus Christ shares the same mind and purpose of God the Father. "but of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32) "for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:38) "The Son can do nothing of himself." (John 3:19)
@EscapeNewJersey There it is. You don't understand the scriptures. Did you know that Jesus Christ also called Himself the Almighty.. and the Alpha and the Omega?Aren't those God's titles?? Read Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty, also Rev_1:11 , Rev_21:6, Rev_22:13. If you believe anything else, you are lost. Seek the true and living God while you can. God bless you.
@Soul4JC Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Jesus Christ testifies of the Father. When Jesus Christ speaks he speaks for the Father because he shares the same mind and purpose. However, the scriptures I quoted clearly state that Jesus Christ and God the Father are separate beings and God the Father is more intelligent and has higher glory than Jesus Christ.
@Soul4JC You are the one that does not understand the Bible. You can't just ignore the majority of scripture and just focus on one or two misinterpreted or metaphorical scriptures to agree with pagan apostacy.
@EscapeNewJersey There is no room for interpretation within those passages. It says what it says. Jesus Christ said "I AM" ie God in those passages. Are you calling Jesus a liar?? Very dangerous. Ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Don't call Jesus a liar. Quit playing arounds with your salvation.
Mormons will stoop to any level to get free media attention. This was a new low. False flags are expensive, but how else to keep the volunteers at Church switch boards busy? Imagine if 50,000 Elders had no referrals. The loss of some old structure is worth a baptism or two. Get your priorities adjusted, idiot woman. It's only stone and wood.
@PaulGiffs so, let me get this straight. Do you actually believe that the church set their own building on fire to get more people to call for free books of mormon or something? ....... You must be some kind of brilliant conspiracy theorist....
How do LDS people justify to themselves that with all DNA testing on native americans there is 0% Jewish or even middle eastern decent? 99.4% is eastern asia, the other is post 1492 mix of spanish and african. The B.O.M. says "lamenites" were native americans. This is a real question. Its like DNA proof that the book of mormon is just a story, I really am curious how you view it. Someone explain? Thanks
@alohawg lol ok, so i guess there really isnt an answer as i suspected. Also no answer to the fact that the Book of Abraham was a complete fraud as proven. The New Testiment warned of false prophets and so be warned and seek Christ.
My heart goes out to the community for this tragic loss and my apologies for those who leave insensitive and ignorant comments here. This is a loss to all in the community may God bless you this year. Happy new year 2011~
I loved that Tabernacle, Sure it was just a building, but it was filled with many wonderful memories. I cried when I saw it on fire, but i had millions of wonderful memories flood my mind, my sister had her graduation there, I lost so many pens during Stake Conference, I heard President Hinckley speak there (and shook his hand) when I was about 7 years old. The green carpet, the beautiful woodwork, the stain glass windows. It was also beautiful, but now they are memories, thanks for the vid
Another very sad aspect is that we lost a beautiful and large original Minerva Teichert painting in the fire. This was my favorite building in this town. Thanks for sharing the video.
While I favor rebuilding the tabernacle, I don’t see how it’s possible to do so. What has been lost is priceless and irreplaceable. Nothing can possibly bring back or replace the work of the masters who built the original. All we can do today is build a replica. This is truly a great loss.
@andrewwatson39 I will first note that you did not respond to my post. That is an overt attempt to keep me from seeing it unless I checked back, coward. Second if lying to you is kind then that explains a lot about the Mormon belief system and really nails the whole point I have been making here. Living a lie and validating it are not KIND or NICE.
@RadioPaul1 okay first of all no one ever said lying to you is kind, and you obviously have no idea about Mormon belief because you obviously haven't ever been to one. If you would have you would know that Mormons are a whole lot more decent than most people. So until you actually attend it don't knock it. You also cant base a WHOLE religion on one person. You have to actually go out and look at more than just one person and their attitude. Okay? Thanks.
@thehfactor38 Clearly u think lying is ok because u seem obsessed with doing it. In fact one of my best friends growing up was Mormon and guess what? He smelled the bull and is out. I even went to his Mormon church with him several times as a kid. I guess that makes u a liar again or proves u don't know what your talking about. Yes they were all nice people but hypocrites. Ever hear the saying ignorance is bliss? What base my opinion not on one person but the failure of all to deal with reality.
@andrewwatson39 Do't be a coward, try responding to my post directly so that I know you posted. Reality is nice lies and revisionist history are not nice. You want to lie with a smile on your face go a haed.
What is up with all those promoting contention on this channel when this is about a terrible very sad loss to all in the community. To those I say this crosses the lines of decency and all consideration and respect for others.
@pangea7777 Yes that way you can live in your own little world. If it does not fit in to what you think others should think or feel then it is rude or offensive.
@pangea7777 Yes lying and crying about a lie is much better. Would you have cried when the Nazi symbols were destroyed in WWII. To some people like Gays and Native Americans there is not much of a difference. That is like asking a jew to cry for the destruction of a Nazi building. People should all ways speak their minds. You attempt to placate decent is reflective of Joseph Smith trying to shut down that news paper! Following the Mormon founders example HUH?
@RadioPaul1 I smell someone who wants attention anyway he can get it too bad you have to create contention to find people to talk to. I choose to live and let live, posting hateful comments on a page about a community loss is pretty low.
@pangea7777 I smell some one that wants to stoke a fire. My points have not changed nor will they and have nothing to do with attention. I wonder if your wife/husband were killed and your people run off your land and discriminated against if you would live and let live especially when you can live and let live over my post. Currently you are a hypocrite just for responding, at least make a rational point to debate me on and yes you tried to debate me but failed. Try Again
@pangea7777 Also I asked what community loss was it in he face of the damage generations of leis, exploitation and abuse? Clearly u are the type of person that would go running around defending the Nazi's 4 t'r losses. One mans hero is another guys Devil except that is the trap. When one does evil they do it to all. I never said people cant change but the people posting here utterly refuse to except t'r past. Worse than repeating the past they have rewritten it because they wiped out opposition
@RadioPaul1 You clearly know nothing of either our faith or what happened during WWII if you did you would not be making these ignorant comments. Do you have any idea of the persecution, rapes and murders of women and children that early members of the church suffered? During the trek west alone over 6,000 PEOPLE DIED! Yet you compare our people to Nazis? Mormons were legally murdered in cold blood in the state of Missouri just like Indians and Blacks. History often covers these facts.
@pangea7777 It sounds like you are the ignorant one. Was Hitler worse, to his victims I am sure he was. Did he kill more people than Mormons, yes he did. But by your reckoning only Hitler and 6 Mil people now becomes the bar. A lot of Mormons were not any more victims than Nazi solders were. Victims of LDS who fought back were not perpetrators. Nor was it appropriate for people to murder unarmed Mormons and that happened too. Non the less you unwillingness to understand your own past is usual.
@pangea7777 How about your current Homophobia while not giving a crap about that community you say you are a part of:
By MATT SCHAFER, Southern Voice | Jan 12 Rev. Al Sharpton called out the Mormon Church and other conserv faiths for supporting Prop 8 to ban gay marriage in CA while refusing to be as involved in any other social concerns.
@pangea7777 Al Part 2: “It amazes me when I looked at CA and saw churches that had nothing to say about police brutality, or when a young black boy was shot while he was wearing police handcuffs, they overturned affirmative action, people were being delegated into poverty, yet they were organizing and mobilizing to stop consenting adults from choosing their life partners"
@pangea7777 Search "Fallacy In The Mormon Church?" on Youtube Listen to real life stories on Gays in the Mormon Church who WERE GIVEN ELECTRICAL SCHOCK TREATMENTS!!!!! I cant understand why these people would look at you like a NAZI! I can't imagine why they might not cry at your building burning down. These people are in their 30's. Your church is still hurting people and you cant deal with reality of today much less your pass.
@pangea7777 Remember I don't know anything of your faith LOL: How about another one of your victims from inside the LDS? Search for Chino Blanco's diary! Where Eric Norwood recaps the systematic abuses at "The Utah Boy's Ranch" where he witnessed some unbelievable atrocities. It is a Mormon-funded and staffed facility, and religious indoctrination is a fundamental aspect of the school. There was sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, suicide, staff corruption, and escape!
@pangea7777 Do you want to concede that I do know your past and present abuses? Or shall I keep going? The original point I made still stands. Your refusal to except that other might have nothing but contempt for that symbol of their oppression is ok shows you are a potential perpetrator because you refuse to have the very sympathy for them and the truth that you demand for a burned building that represents pain to them. Not you but them! It is not all about you and the LDS.
@RadioPaul1 dude u obviously have some serious straightening out to do with your god or whoever u believe in. send messages to people if u feel that strongly about something, dont take up pages of comments on a vid of a Holy Tabernacle of God. "This new commandment....love one another" make that your resolution this year
@mormonkid86 Being responsible and excepting reality is love, sticking your head in a hole and only allowing revisionist warm feelings is a lie. As far as taking a lot of space, the Mormon history while short is a very sorted history with a lot of crimes. It is ridiculous for someone like you to post a comment like this and think I wont respond if full. I find your comment amusing too. No matter how much murder, lies Etc the LDS did I SHOULD FELL GOOD ABOUT IT because that would be godly LOL
@mormonkid86 Further more you are a robot. At least you sound like one. It is all the same, just be happy, just post nice stuff, let us write history our way and let us control what can be said and where. You do realize that is what did Joseph Smith in. You might want to read all my post before making the mistake of responding, you will find you lost any argument you can make before you make it.
@RadioPaul1 what religion was jeff domer? what church did the kids who shot up columbine go to? the d.c. sniper? funny u talk about tragedies MORMONS caused as if it is wat the church is about and not just individual idiots. never see the headline "Baptist kills 3 people" but u and the media always seem to care enough to put "Mormons" in front of disasters, murders, and crimes. but i wouldn't expect anyone like u to really have an open mind while also having a heart of stone.
@mormonkid86 Jeffery Domer was not a religion but I am glad you used him. As bad as he was, he condemned his own actions and did not makes excuses for them and that is better than you. Can you imagine if he just said, well it is all in the past and don't judge me on the past! LOL The racism and oppressive nature of the Mormon church institutionalized along with its obsession with denial.
@RadioPaul1 I didn't say he was a religion i asked what religion he was. and yes Joseph made mistakes, as did many leaders and members since then. and he didn't say THEY were cursed. he said their ancestors were and thats according to the book of mormon, not joseph. yes my church has had some bad things happen do to leaders and members actions, also many awful things were done to members and leaders. but your still holding the church responsible? do u hold white people responsible for slavery?
@mormonkid86 1. You made the comparison of an individual "Domer" not me, I just responded to it by keeping it on point. 2. He did say their dark skin was a curse I read it from your own literature, you know your buy Moroni covered this Lamanites are described as having a "skin of blackness" caused by God's curse on the descendants of Laman for their wickedness and corruption: "And he had caused the cursing to come upon [the Lamanites], yea, OOOOP you got that one really wrong!
@mormonkid86 3. Yes I hold white people responsible for what happened to blacks and yes I am white. There are all sorts of responsible perspectives. White people own the understanding as to why blacks might not think Georg Washington was a good guy or that the rebel flag should be flown. You own the victims of your church the same in regards to this building burning down. I am not going to stop being white and I am not asking you to stop being Mormon, just open to critical thought.
@RadioPaul1 Correction of typos: 3. Yes I hold white people responsible for what happened to blacks and yes I am white. There are all sorts of responsible perspectives. White people owe the understanding as to why blacks might not think Georg Washington was a good guy or that the rebel flag should not be flown.
@RadioPaul1 you are obviously an absolute idiot. blacks sold blacks to the english. tribes war with eachother and the losers become slaves....then sold to the english. but whether or not white's have full responsibility for slavery NOBODY ALIVE HAD SLAVES!!!! and thanks for quoting the verse i was talkin about....THEIR ANCESTORS were cursed. just like the tower of babel. diff languages exist because of that but we dont say all but jewish are cursed languages. maybe you should read The B.O.M.
@mormonkid86 NOBODY ALIVE HAD SLAVES! There we go again, you still want to shove your beliefs in other peoples faces and say NOT MY FAULT. I am talking about others not caring that a building burning down because of what its history might meant to them and you are still obsessed with why they should. Sorry but if you are going to name call then let me point out it is you that is the idiot. I did not say Natives were cursed J Smith did. I have read the BOM and it is sad, very sad.
@mormonkid86 Blacks owned blacks so that does not make Joseph Smith such a bad guy for saying Native peoples skin is marked. LOL Clearly you think there skin is marked for that reason after all it is a part of your religion and I should read the BOM. That would make you and your beliefs racist. We know Native people are not cursed and their skin is not a result of one yet you defend it.
@jojesaky16 Clearly you feel threatened and want me to back off so you can keep living a lie. The truth about how people feel and what they think is often threatening if it is not ones own. You act as if the only people that count are those that think this was a loss and refuse to acknowledge those that see it as a purge of a oppressive symbol. At least without hostility and the irony is I am pointing out hostel acts by the LDS and the responses are hostel to that. LOL
@jojesaky16 I never said that was the case. Before you accuse me of not reading history you might try reading the prior post and that would have been clear. I do find it slightly amusing that once again like a broken record it is not about the LDS but trying to divert responsibility on to others. Oh, others did bad things so don't look at us. I guess it makes it all ok now huh? This does not change anything when it comes to people not feeling bad about this building burning.
@RadioPaul1 without so much hate in your heart. bet it would make a huge difference for you. do u get on christians for believing the bible when it argues with itself as well? or u just like to pick on mormons and go off what your told about and what ANTI website's say? get a life and find something positive to do with it. critical thought and being a tool bag are 2 diff things man. learn the diff. make arguments on your own page. i'm done filling her inbox with these pointless comments.
@mormonkid86 Boy you have degenerated in to a frothing rant of hate. I assume this means you lost the argument, it usually does.A persons skin color to day that is red is a sign of their peoples sins and Joseph Smith not only wrote that he used it the same way the Nazi's did with the Jews. He used it as a way to legitimize it to steal their land and make them subhuman. Funny how you seem to have a better grasp of blacks selling blacks than your own history, again looking for a excuse.
@RadioPaul1 i mean if your gonna do that with the church might as well with the south and how they treated slaves. lets blame the southerners for what their ancestors did. lets blame blacks for all the murders done by crips and bloods. all germans for the holocaust. or here's an option....GROW UP!!!! it IS the past.
@mormonkid86 There you go again crawling away from responsibility, anything but that NOOOOOO! LOL You also clearly did not read my prior post as warned. THE LDS is still doing evil shit to this day. There are videos here on youtube where the LDS has given ELECTRIC SHOCK to gay people. I am sure you will have some excuse for this too no doubt. This is the problem with not confronting your past just wishing it went away. Do you think those gay people care that building burned?
Are you calling Joseph Smith a Individual Idiot? He called native people marked as cursed by god, incited violence and advocated the crushing of free speech. If you are that would mean you are taking personal responsibility for your religion and you go up two notches in my book but I doubt it.
@RadioPaul1 Yes this is in your past: 9-11-1857, in SW Utah, a militia of the CJC of LDS, attacked a wagon train of Arkansas families bound for CA. After a 5 day siege, they persuaded the families to surrender under a flag of truce and a pledge of safe passage. Then, in the worst butchery of white pioneers by other white pioneers in the entire colonization of America, approximately 140 men, women and children were slaughtered.The church first claimed that local Paiute Indians were responsible.
1. Killed by a mob "yes wrong" for trying to suppress free speech! He tried to destroy a newspaper critical of him.
2. Hounded by former members and business associates everywhere he went after promising wealth and power to them.
3. Calmed he was anti slavery but wrote a pro-slavery essay he published in 1836 and opposed the baptism of slaves without permission of their masters. (Wow what a hardline he took)
This building has many good memeories for me from so far back and recent - even my kids got to have a stake conference there with my husband just after we wed!
I didn't know your Dad put the Carpet in there! I was 10 - do you remember him doing that? Thank you for posting this. We are all so very sad! This is your neighbor growing up - the same age as your oldest sister - I won't post names!
You are wonderful! Hope we see you soon - next trip over!?
this was also the day my beloved Mother was buried... It will always be a day that brings sadness to my heart but happy memories for my Mother and the exciting times spent in this wonderful building
Radio Paul; I'm a strong portion American Indian. 3 great grand mothers were Cherokee and 2 great-great-grea, whatever, were Potowami. none of it offends me. Mormons love all people.
@brooksidecourt You speak for all Native Americans? LOL You are so full of it. Mormons exterminated Native People and say they love everyone. I just wished they loved the truth and facts of their own history too. By the way why does your Youtube Account say not available. You did not just crate it for this didi you?
Secondly; everyone gets offended for one reason or another. Read your scriptures. Are you offended by the mark of Cain? Is that the fault of any one man on Earth other than Cain himself?
Radio Paul; learn how to spell. A profit is a financial increase, not a man of God, and it was Joseph Smith. And not everyone looked down at the Jews. Not even all Germans. It was Nazi teaching.
@brooksidecourt We will just call it a play on words. Your Profit was what he was after. He was chased out of more than one town by close investors. Also, again here we go, not all Germans were responsible LOL, yes they were. Even those that fought Hitler were but they took their responsibility seriously fought back and did not make excuses for Hitler. I have yet to meet one current Mormon that does anything but make excuses for the crimes of Joseph Smith. Plenty of ex members trash him tough!
On the flip side....I wonder if this a coincidence, because Provo has been doing a lot of renovating lately! I was surprised to see how much as changed since Spring!
I live in Utah, and in early Spring of this year, my fiance (now husband) parked our car at the Provo Tabernacle to take some of our engagement pictures, and I remember admiring the heir of history this building had. I've lived in Utah for over 5 years, and worked not too far from this building and I have never been inside of the Provo Tabernacle, but on that day of my engagement pictures, I felt like this building held so much history. I am sorry to see it go.
This is a big loss not jus for Provo, but for the entire state it made the front page and the headline. At least sympathize with the good folks. The Latter Day Saints aren't as bad you other people think. As I always say, "You've never known a person until you have alittle small talk with them or at least a hand shake." We are nicer than the public percieves us as. So please at least say, " Sorry for your loss."
@andrewwatson39 No they are worse because they utterly refuse to come to terms with their past and are obsessed with rewriting history. People that do that are doomed to repeat the past and have no real scene of moral obligation just a fabricated one.
@RadioPaul1 Don't make generalizations. Do you know every single mormon? Do you think you truly know them, or do you just believe that you do? People make mistakes, and we realize that; there are those who wish to hide from them, but not everyone is as bad as you think. There is no need to do what you are doing right now. This video was only supposed to be about the tragic loss of a public building that just happened to be owned by the Church. Other faiths and institutions used it as well.
@jojesaky16 You never learn, I am not making generalizations and I don't believe I have. I have responded to individuals and their comments. But I do see a pattern here. 1. Only a false sympathy and reality will be excepted. 2. To define how people should feel about this building and control anyone that feels different. 3. Obsess with rewriting history. 4. Explode in a fit of rage when things don't go your way No I wont back off and that should be clear from prior responses.
this was an EXTREMELY a trajic loss to not just provo, but to the ENTIRE LDS religion. its also a sad loss to orem cause alot of us would be down to the tabernacle to see all the history about the building and everything. no matter what people say, the LDS religion is 100% TRUE.
Whenever I see comments full of this much hate it renews my fatih that the LDS church is TRUE. You can't be respectul and compasionate just hateful which comes from Satan. Satan loves to encourage hatred of anything TRUE. The truth is just too threatening. The history that is behind this landmark and the building itself as well as the contents are irreplacable. Not to mention the emotional ties this community has for this building and all it stands for. This is a tragedy for all.
@Museite if you would take time to look at facts that the church labels "anti" you would call him Joe as well. If the church is true why do they tell you to never read or discuss anything that mite disprove it? The facts stand on there own. I apologise if i offended.
@yaateeh24 I'm not offended. It's simply a question of respect. He is a religious figure, like him or hate him. I don't imagine that you (or anyone sensible) would presume to call the Prophet Mohammad, 'Mo', for example.
@yaateeh24 You have a refreshing attitude. Many (on both sides) find it impossible to respectfully disagree and discuss beliefs objectively. I tip my hat to you.
@AcousticAndroid no, in fact their is no record of anything about Joseph Smith having any type of mental disorder. Many people over the years have spread rumors about him, so must of it is untrue.
Jesus warned of false prophets like Joe Smith. Be wise and read you Bibles. Joe Smith has pulled one of the greatest hoaxes in the new world. The rest of the world sees it plainly why cant you? Why do you think the world laughs at you? Jesus is Lord and loves you and needs you to listen to truth if you hear it. Ask Him.
@ Zombierevenge Everyone reacts differently. There's nothing wrong with this woman's tears. This is so upsetting, and she's sleep deprived, so she's going to have trouble speaking. What of it? I know Zombies don't cry cause they're dead.
This is very tragic it goes beyond words to see something of such intrinsic, architectural and spiritual/emotional value to a community of people. As an lover of architecture, history and anything of beauty this really hurts to watch.
I am optimistic it will eventually be rebuilt especially considering its value and historical importance to the local area.
The girl talking is so lame. Way over dramatic. It's just a building. I'd hate to see how she'd react if Nordstrom burned down. lol Also reports are saying that a film crew from Brigham Young University might be responsible. Oh yeah. Had I been there I would have started singing, "The Spirit of God!" lol
@ZombieVengence yea and to you your body is "just a body" when you saw someone burning alive, critically injured in an automobile accident, etc. Every physical thing in this world only has the value that is attached to it. If you can not understand or respect others this tells volumes about your own character more than the poor person who is expressing their emotions not doing so for your entertainment but as a natural response to what she is seeing.
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. This building was held dear in the hearts of so many long ago and now that witnessed it's beauty. They don't need your negativity.
@AcousticAndroid..honey..church was VERY much apart of the state back in the begininng of this here country. Why law was practised from The Bible :O amazin', ay? It took ONE person to get prayer removed from school..ONE! If anything..this country needs to return to spiritual/religious ground it was founded upon! Oh yeah and give more back to the Native Americans..white man really messed them over!
@soulseeker182 The church is saturated in every public school in Utah. Why is it that there is a seminary building on every school ground? Why do we build our graduation requirements to cater to students that take a seminary class during the day during school time. It's disgusting to me. It would not happen anywhere else in the country. If you want a religious school, like the catholics do, then open a private/charter school. Don't make the taxpayers pay for your kid to go to Seminary
oh yay more smoke for that filthy air in that poor valley some more places should burn up there reduce the population and let that vallet recover from the mess up there :P but pretty sad to see what building caught on fire
First to comment about the political comments. This is not the place. If this was my item that was posted, all would be deleted. We already know that there are those thata do not like the LDS Church. OH well. Keep hating.
As for this building. I spent two weeks in the Provo area on a work assignment last year. I was going to stop and do a photo shoot of my own. Now I wish i had.
I love old buildings and take pictures whenever I can. LDS and others. A loss of history is not political.
One of my fondest memories of this building is when the local Catholic church used it for Christmas eve Mass (1996). The old St. Francis church couldn't hold the whole congregation so the local priest asked the LDS church if they could use it - and of course they said yes. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. This building really was a community building and I hope it is restored.
@cr500450eater or better yet, YOU should've been in the building, tied up and gagged on the roof... where no one could hear your screams.. I think that wouldve been a miracle to all of us... >:)
this is a TERRIBLE trajedy that has happened to the LDS religion. i was on my way to the bus stop and i was watching fox 13 good day utah for a couple minutes and i heard about this and my stomach turned inside out.
What a horrid un-Christlike thing to say. This building meant a lot to the community not just the Latter-day Saints. It is a loss to all of Provo and its neighbors, not just the Mormons.
Sad to see a building that gave people so much comfort over the years go up in smoke. Hope the Church had insurance, if not I am sure money can be found to do so.
Although I am not LDS, I studied at BYU for 3 years and I lived in an apartment really close to this place. It breaks my heart to see this beautiful historic structure go up in flames. Sincerely hoping they can save the building and rebuild! Keep the faith!
@theostrich76 Maybe they can turn it in to something useful like a Taco Bell. Then it could provide jobs for the community it these times of need. Let gods will be done !!!
Sorry to the individual that posted this. I know this wasn't your intent when you posted this. I have never been to this building, but have friends that grew up in it. It's truly a sad day in our world.
You know what's really pathetic? I come on here, being LDS myself and instead of mourning the loss of this really beautiful place and hearing the public's stories on what they remember about it. Instead this forum reminds me of political hamsters spinning around on their wheels accomplishing nothing! On both sides, of all things! This is really a loss of something priceless to us, no matter our standing in the world. Have some mercy, people.
@jgarcia0264 By that rational people should have been upset at the destruction of Hitlers bunker. People forget what you all did to Native Americans! But no matter how much you all try to write yourselves in to the pages of history you will be exposed.
@RadioPaul1 Ummmm.. What did I do to a Native American? Nothing! What did my parents do to a Native American? Nothing! Yes, I will agree that there are people in every religion in HISTORY (as in the past) that have done horrific injustices to others. Our prophet was assassinated. Our women and children were also hunted down like cattle. I can continue this easily. I choose not to. Why? B/c at that point it becomes a spitting contest where no one wins. All I'm saying is have some mercy.
@jgarcia0264 That is like a German solder at a concentration camp saying I did not gas anyone??? At lest the German people trashed that ideology and don't defend it. Did the LDS have mercy for the Naive peoples lands that they stole? How about mercy for your well documented hatred of black people. Don't take real responsibility for your history, just pay token lip service while defending and organization who's profit said they were Lamanites and were cursed!!! Are you calling your profit a liar?
@RadioPaul1 We're not talking about WWII, which happened over 65 yrs ago. I'm sorry, but I wasn't there for it or I would've tried to have stopped it. We're not talking about how people who made a horrific travesty against a race of people who didn't deserve it from 200 yrs ago b/c all the people around them did this. This was how all of the USA was built. Why don't you give your land back then if you have any, btw. We're talking about a beautiful building that was destroyed by a fire.
@jgarcia0264 Funny how you say you wernt there for WW2 or you would have stopped it but then make excuses for the murder and racism of the LDS. Would you have stopped Joseph Smith? He was Hitler to the peoples lands he stole and the hatred he sowed in his followers hearts by saying dark skinned people were cursed. Kinda blamed them like the Hitler did the Jews huh? I don't own any land but the LDS does so be sure to do the moral thing and demand your church give it back now ok?
@RadioPaul1 Alright. I'll say this. If you're too stubborn to listen, your loss. I simply stated it happened a long time ago before I (or half my known ancestors) were thought of. I would think it would be simply implied whether it's 65-2000 yrs ago, it would still be unacceptable regardless of race. COMMON SENSE, Buddy! All I'm saying is have compassion to us NOW. Can you do that? If not, have respect and remain silent. If you can't say anything good to this situation, then be like Thumper!
@jgarcia0264 Nope, you couldn't say you have a point and let it go. Who is stubborn? You want me to have compassion about an old building that was built on other peoples land and for an organization built on lies? All the time you keep making excuses like it was a long time ago. You would stop the Nazis but refuse to say "show compassion" would have stopped Joseph Smith. I will at least say I am glad no one got hurt in the fire but I don't feel a bit bad that an Icon of lies got burned.
@RadioPaul1 Are you really so narrow-minded that you're going to pin the wrong-doings of others from ages past onto the people of today? NO ONE from that time period had mercy for the Native Americans. We have it now. We have compassion and love NOW. But that rhetoric will get you nowhere into seeing that. Understand that the ideals that I have for my faith is intact, not what they did in the past. None of the prejudice against anyone. But I love my faith for the good things it can and will do.
@jgarcia0264 Also if I did own land I might or might not give it back, can't really say to be honest but you will never find me doing what you are doing. I don;t defend a belief system based on lies and founded in racism. I trash the US government all the time for never making reparations or taking real responsibility for what they did. Now that that church has burned maybe you all could do the right thing and set an example but I doubt it.
@RadioPaul1 I don't know the faith you speak of. What I've been raised was founded on love & admiration for all. I can't speak for the people of the past. I wasn't there. I don't defend Joseph Smith as an individual, I defend what I know. You can't paint us all w/a brush from the past. We're not the same. I've respect for him b/c he was willing to die for his people. Was he flawed and racist? Possibly. Most white people were. Surprise! I'd end up despising half my own family from that time.
@jgarcia0264 Now you are lying. Joshed Smith YOUR PROFIT said Native people had their skin turned brown as a cures. You think you can pick and chose what you are held accountable for defending. It does not work that way in the real world. You do know that your profit was a racist right? Most white people were? I guess it was ok to kill Jews in WW2 Germany because most people were. The German people don't do today what you are doing, do get that? You can love people without living a lie. Its ok
@RadioPaul1 actually it wasn't our Prophet Joseph Smith who said that, if you would read your Bible you'll find it there. It was God who changed the color of the skin of all those who were decended from Cain, because he killed his brother. Oh, and it was NOT alright to kill Jews just because they were Jews. AND did you know that Hitler didn't order just the killing of Jews.You really need to brush up on your history and Bible study before you start accusing. Also, this isn't the place for it!
@ECBS22 Wow, what a lied you are. I have read the bible and the book of mormon and Yes The Book of Mormon describes the Lamanites as dark skin as a sign of the curse for their rebelliousness (the curse itself being the withdrawal of the Spirit of God), and it is excepted by the LDS that they are Native Americans. Yes The Nazis killed others than Jews, I never said they did not nor is that an excuse for the crimes of Joseph Smith. Ohhh the Nazi's killed more, so that makes us good??? LOL
@jgarcia0264 Furthermore are you so narrow minded that you can't see that I am not blaming you for the deeds of others? I am blaming you for defending them and a belief system that was based and founded on lies, theft, murder, racism, sexism, homophobia and clearly false statements that have been proven as such. You want me to say that you and other LDSers have learned and we all should move on yet you are stuck defending people like Joe Smith. You can't say you have a point and let it go can U?
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This was a sign from god
bobbyraejohnson 4 months ago
Burned Out Provo Tabernacle Research Among Rubble Turns Up Original Historic Hidden Beautiful Painted Decorations: See inside photo and short video at blog mormonartconservation
bestartdoc 6 months ago
I can't believe how many anti-Mormon comments there are on this video considering it is a video of a local historical landmark burning. Aside from the building being used for church meetings, nowhere was the church or anything related to it brought up and therefore should not be discussed on such a video.
phattyhales 8 months ago
@phattyhales What a nice way to censor people huh. You define the topic in such a way you think people can't argue with huh? FAIL
RadioPaul1 8 months ago
No big loss really... They can just attend the other building 3 blocks away. There are more LDS buildings than grocery stores in Utah.
madmonk 10 months ago
its just a building... brick and wood is all. is it really worth crying over
ROFLMFAO90 1 year ago
@ROFLMFAO90 It's one of their idols o.0
Soul4JC 11 months ago
@Soul4JC Don't be an ass!
EscapeNewJersey 6 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Did you cry too?
Soul4JC 6 months ago
@Soul4JC Did you start the fire?
EscapeNewJersey 6 months ago
@Soul4JC Despite what your mommy told you, you are not cute. Don't be mommy's little asshole.
EscapeNewJersey 6 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Dude, lighten up. Why are you so angry?
Soul4JC 6 months ago
@Soul4JC Why are you so bitter and jealous of Mormons.
EscapeNewJersey 6 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Bitter and jealous... Where did you get that from? Why are you so defensive over a building?
Soul4JC 6 months ago
@Soul4JC I know your intend it to mock the LDS church.
EscapeNewJersey 6 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey I was not mocking. I was stating a fact. The LDS church is what mocks the role and deity of Jesus Christ.
Soul4JC 6 months ago
@Soul4JC The LDS church has the correct understanding of the roles and nature of Jesus Christ and God the Father. The "mainstream christian" sects follow an apostate Gospel that has been altered to agree with Pagan Greek Philosophy and politics. For example the doctrine of the Trinity was formulated by a Pagan emperor to agree with Pagan Green Philosophy for political reasons.
EscapeNewJersey 6 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Is Jesus Christ God in the flesh?
Soul4JC 6 months ago
@Soul4JC Jesus Christ is the firstborn spirit child of God the Father. Jesus Christ is a separate being from God the Father as it says in the Bible. Jesus Christ shares the same mind and purpose of God the Father. "but of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32) "for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:38) "The Son can do nothing of himself." (John 3:19)
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey There it is. You don't understand the scriptures. Did you know that Jesus Christ also called Himself the Almighty.. and the Alpha and the Omega?Aren't those God's titles?? Read Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty, also Rev_1:11 , Rev_21:6, Rev_22:13. If you believe anything else, you are lost. Seek the true and living God while you can. God bless you.
Soul4JC 5 months ago
@Soul4JC Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Jesus Christ testifies of the Father. When Jesus Christ speaks he speaks for the Father because he shares the same mind and purpose. However, the scriptures I quoted clearly state that Jesus Christ and God the Father are separate beings and God the Father is more intelligent and has higher glory than Jesus Christ.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@Soul4JC You are the one that does not understand the Bible. You can't just ignore the majority of scripture and just focus on one or two misinterpreted or metaphorical scriptures to agree with pagan apostacy.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey There is no room for interpretation within those passages. It says what it says. Jesus Christ said "I AM" ie God in those passages. Are you calling Jesus a liar?? Very dangerous. Ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Don't call Jesus a liar. Quit playing arounds with your salvation.
Soul4JC 5 months ago
@Soul4JC Jesus also told Mary, at the tomb, touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to My Father, and Your Father and My God and Your God.
lindalds 1 month ago
@lindalds You have no idea what that meant, do you?
Soul4JC 1 month ago
@Soul4JC I don't know what it means to you, no.
lindalds 1 month ago
@ROFLMFAO90 You have no idear You Goon !
TheUktruth 3 months ago
Mormons will stoop to any level to get free media attention. This was a new low. False flags are expensive, but how else to keep the volunteers at Church switch boards busy? Imagine if 50,000 Elders had no referrals. The loss of some old structure is worth a baptism or two. Get your priorities adjusted, idiot woman. It's only stone and wood.
PaulGiffs 1 year ago
@PaulGiffs so, let me get this straight. Do you actually believe that the church set their own building on fire to get more people to call for free books of mormon or something? ....... You must be some kind of brilliant conspiracy theorist....
elgringiototote 1 year ago
Poops dam
TA1203 1 year ago
@ radiopaul1 Why do feel the need to go on proving
TA1203 1 year ago
How do LDS people justify to themselves that with all DNA testing on native americans there is 0% Jewish or even middle eastern decent? 99.4% is eastern asia, the other is post 1492 mix of spanish and african. The B.O.M. says "lamenites" were native americans. This is a real question. Its like DNA proof that the book of mormon is just a story, I really am curious how you view it. Someone explain? Thanks
yaateeh24 1 year ago
@yaateeh24 Silence.
alohawg 11 months ago
@alohawg lol ok, so i guess there really isnt an answer as i suspected. Also no answer to the fact that the Book of Abraham was a complete fraud as proven. The New Testiment warned of false prophets and so be warned and seek Christ.
chubbymutton24 10 months ago
I still can't believe it happened. :(
AFlameSeparated 1 year ago
My heart goes out to the community for this tragic loss and my apologies for those who leave insensitive and ignorant comments here. This is a loss to all in the community may God bless you this year. Happy new year 2011~
pangea7777 1 year ago 2
@pangea7777 Instead of apologizing for others you might try taking responsibility and stop making excuses?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
I loved that Tabernacle, Sure it was just a building, but it was filled with many wonderful memories. I cried when I saw it on fire, but i had millions of wonderful memories flood my mind, my sister had her graduation there, I lost so many pens during Stake Conference, I heard President Hinckley speak there (and shook his hand) when I was about 7 years old. The green carpet, the beautiful woodwork, the stain glass windows. It was also beautiful, but now they are memories, thanks for the vid
petersnotdead 1 year ago 2
Another very sad aspect is that we lost a beautiful and large original Minerva Teichert painting in the fire. This was my favorite building in this town. Thanks for sharing the video.
commentman5 1 year ago 3
i cant think about what to right because i grew up living next to the tabernacle we used to have stake confrence there all the time and i just
idogicat3 1 year ago 2
While I favor rebuilding the tabernacle, I don’t see how it’s possible to do so. What has been lost is priceless and irreplaceable. Nothing can possibly bring back or replace the work of the masters who built the original. All we can do today is build a replica. This is truly a great loss.
blainenay 1 year ago
Radio Paul if you don't have anything nice to post, don't post it at all.
andrewwatson39 1 year ago
@andrewwatson39 I will first note that you did not respond to my post. That is an overt attempt to keep me from seeing it unless I checked back, coward. Second if lying to you is kind then that explains a lot about the Mormon belief system and really nails the whole point I have been making here. Living a lie and validating it are not KIND or NICE.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 okay first of all no one ever said lying to you is kind, and you obviously have no idea about Mormon belief because you obviously haven't ever been to one. If you would have you would know that Mormons are a whole lot more decent than most people. So until you actually attend it don't knock it. You also cant base a WHOLE religion on one person. You have to actually go out and look at more than just one person and their attitude. Okay? Thanks.
thehfactor38 1 year ago 2
@thehfactor38 Clearly u think lying is ok because u seem obsessed with doing it. In fact one of my best friends growing up was Mormon and guess what? He smelled the bull and is out. I even went to his Mormon church with him several times as a kid. I guess that makes u a liar again or proves u don't know what your talking about. Yes they were all nice people but hypocrites. Ever hear the saying ignorance is bliss? What base my opinion not on one person but the failure of all to deal with reality.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@andrewwatson39 Do't be a coward, try responding to my post directly so that I know you posted. Reality is nice lies and revisionist history are not nice. You want to lie with a smile on your face go a haed.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
What is up with all those promoting contention on this channel when this is about a terrible very sad loss to all in the community. To those I say this crosses the lines of decency and all consideration and respect for others.
pangea7777 1 year ago 8
@pangea7777 Yes that way you can live in your own little world. If it does not fit in to what you think others should think or feel then it is rude or offensive.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 Yes lying and crying about a lie is much better. Would you have cried when the Nazi symbols were destroyed in WWII. To some people like Gays and Native Americans there is not much of a difference. That is like asking a jew to cry for the destruction of a Nazi building. People should all ways speak their minds. You attempt to placate decent is reflective of Joseph Smith trying to shut down that news paper! Following the Mormon founders example HUH?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 I smell someone who wants attention anyway he can get it too bad you have to create contention to find people to talk to. I choose to live and let live, posting hateful comments on a page about a community loss is pretty low.
pangea7777 1 year ago 4
@pangea7777 I smell some one that wants to stoke a fire. My points have not changed nor will they and have nothing to do with attention. I wonder if your wife/husband were killed and your people run off your land and discriminated against if you would live and let live especially when you can live and let live over my post. Currently you are a hypocrite just for responding, at least make a rational point to debate me on and yes you tried to debate me but failed. Try Again
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 Also I asked what community loss was it in he face of the damage generations of leis, exploitation and abuse? Clearly u are the type of person that would go running around defending the Nazi's 4 t'r losses. One mans hero is another guys Devil except that is the trap. When one does evil they do it to all. I never said people cant change but the people posting here utterly refuse to except t'r past. Worse than repeating the past they have rewritten it because they wiped out opposition
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 You clearly know nothing of either our faith or what happened during WWII if you did you would not be making these ignorant comments. Do you have any idea of the persecution, rapes and murders of women and children that early members of the church suffered? During the trek west alone over 6,000 PEOPLE DIED! Yet you compare our people to Nazis? Mormons were legally murdered in cold blood in the state of Missouri just like Indians and Blacks. History often covers these facts.
pangea7777 1 year ago
@pangea7777 It sounds like you are the ignorant one. Was Hitler worse, to his victims I am sure he was. Did he kill more people than Mormons, yes he did. But by your reckoning only Hitler and 6 Mil people now becomes the bar. A lot of Mormons were not any more victims than Nazi solders were. Victims of LDS who fought back were not perpetrators. Nor was it appropriate for people to murder unarmed Mormons and that happened too. Non the less you unwillingness to understand your own past is usual.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 How about your current Homophobia while not giving a crap about that community you say you are a part of:
By MATT SCHAFER, Southern Voice | Jan 12 Rev. Al Sharpton called out the Mormon Church and other conserv faiths for supporting Prop 8 to ban gay marriage in CA while refusing to be as involved in any other social concerns.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 Al Part 2: “It amazes me when I looked at CA and saw churches that had nothing to say about police brutality, or when a young black boy was shot while he was wearing police handcuffs, they overturned affirmative action, people were being delegated into poverty, yet they were organizing and mobilizing to stop consenting adults from choosing their life partners"
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 Search "Fallacy In The Mormon Church?" on Youtube Listen to real life stories on Gays in the Mormon Church who WERE GIVEN ELECTRICAL SCHOCK TREATMENTS!!!!! I cant understand why these people would look at you like a NAZI! I can't imagine why they might not cry at your building burning down. These people are in their 30's. Your church is still hurting people and you cant deal with reality of today much less your pass.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 Remember I don't know anything of your faith LOL: How about another one of your victims from inside the LDS? Search for Chino Blanco's diary! Where Eric Norwood recaps the systematic abuses at "The Utah Boy's Ranch" where he witnessed some unbelievable atrocities. It is a Mormon-funded and staffed facility, and religious indoctrination is a fundamental aspect of the school. There was sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, suicide, staff corruption, and escape!
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 Do you want to concede that I do know your past and present abuses? Or shall I keep going? The original point I made still stands. Your refusal to except that other might have nothing but contempt for that symbol of their oppression is ok shows you are a potential perpetrator because you refuse to have the very sympathy for them and the truth that you demand for a burned building that represents pain to them. Not you but them! It is not all about you and the LDS.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 dude u obviously have some serious straightening out to do with your god or whoever u believe in. send messages to people if u feel that strongly about something, dont take up pages of comments on a vid of a Holy Tabernacle of God. "This new commandment....love one another" make that your resolution this year
mormonkid86 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 Being responsible and excepting reality is love, sticking your head in a hole and only allowing revisionist warm feelings is a lie. As far as taking a lot of space, the Mormon history while short is a very sorted history with a lot of crimes. It is ridiculous for someone like you to post a comment like this and think I wont respond if full. I find your comment amusing too. No matter how much murder, lies Etc the LDS did I SHOULD FELL GOOD ABOUT IT because that would be godly LOL
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 Further more you are a robot. At least you sound like one. It is all the same, just be happy, just post nice stuff, let us write history our way and let us control what can be said and where. You do realize that is what did Joseph Smith in. You might want to read all my post before making the mistake of responding, you will find you lost any argument you can make before you make it.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 what religion was jeff domer? what church did the kids who shot up columbine go to? the d.c. sniper? funny u talk about tragedies MORMONS caused as if it is wat the church is about and not just individual idiots. never see the headline "Baptist kills 3 people" but u and the media always seem to care enough to put "Mormons" in front of disasters, murders, and crimes. but i wouldn't expect anyone like u to really have an open mind while also having a heart of stone.
mormonkid86 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 Jeffery Domer was not a religion but I am glad you used him. As bad as he was, he condemned his own actions and did not makes excuses for them and that is better than you. Can you imagine if he just said, well it is all in the past and don't judge me on the past! LOL The racism and oppressive nature of the Mormon church institutionalized along with its obsession with denial.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 I didn't say he was a religion i asked what religion he was. and yes Joseph made mistakes, as did many leaders and members since then. and he didn't say THEY were cursed. he said their ancestors were and thats according to the book of mormon, not joseph. yes my church has had some bad things happen do to leaders and members actions, also many awful things were done to members and leaders. but your still holding the church responsible? do u hold white people responsible for slavery?
mormonkid86 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 1. You made the comparison of an individual "Domer" not me, I just responded to it by keeping it on point. 2. He did say their dark skin was a curse I read it from your own literature, you know your buy Moroni covered this Lamanites are described as having a "skin of blackness" caused by God's curse on the descendants of Laman for their wickedness and corruption: "And he had caused the cursing to come upon [the Lamanites], yea, OOOOP you got that one really wrong!
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 3. Yes I hold white people responsible for what happened to blacks and yes I am white. There are all sorts of responsible perspectives. White people own the understanding as to why blacks might not think Georg Washington was a good guy or that the rebel flag should be flown. You own the victims of your church the same in regards to this building burning down. I am not going to stop being white and I am not asking you to stop being Mormon, just open to critical thought.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
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@RadioPaul1 Correction of typos: 3. Yes I hold white people responsible for what happened to blacks and yes I am white. There are all sorts of responsible perspectives. White people owe the understanding as to why blacks might not think Georg Washington was a good guy or that the rebel flag should not be flown.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 you are obviously an absolute idiot. blacks sold blacks to the english. tribes war with eachother and the losers become slaves....then sold to the english. but whether or not white's have full responsibility for slavery NOBODY ALIVE HAD SLAVES!!!! and thanks for quoting the verse i was talkin about....THEIR ANCESTORS were cursed. just like the tower of babel. diff languages exist because of that but we dont say all but jewish are cursed languages. maybe you should read The B.O.M.
mormonkid86 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 NOBODY ALIVE HAD SLAVES! There we go again, you still want to shove your beliefs in other peoples faces and say NOT MY FAULT. I am talking about others not caring that a building burning down because of what its history might meant to them and you are still obsessed with why they should. Sorry but if you are going to name call then let me point out it is you that is the idiot. I did not say Natives were cursed J Smith did. I have read the BOM and it is sad, very sad.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 Blacks owned blacks so that does not make Joseph Smith such a bad guy for saying Native peoples skin is marked. LOL Clearly you think there skin is marked for that reason after all it is a part of your religion and I should read the BOM. That would make you and your beliefs racist. We know Native people are not cursed and their skin is not a result of one yet you defend it.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 Seriously, back off.
jojesaky16 1 year ago
@jojesaky16 Clearly you feel threatened and want me to back off so you can keep living a lie. The truth about how people feel and what they think is often threatening if it is not ones own. You act as if the only people that count are those that think this was a loss and refuse to acknowledge those that see it as a purge of a oppressive symbol. At least without hostility and the irony is I am pointing out hostel acts by the LDS and the responses are hostel to that. LOL
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 It's not just the LDS that have committed hostile acts. Or have you never picked up a history book?
jojesaky16 1 year ago
@jojesaky16 I never said that was the case. Before you accuse me of not reading history you might try reading the prior post and that would have been clear. I do find it slightly amusing that once again like a broken record it is not about the LDS but trying to divert responsibility on to others. Oh, others did bad things so don't look at us. I guess it makes it all ok now huh? This does not change anything when it comes to people not feeling bad about this building burning.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 without so much hate in your heart. bet it would make a huge difference for you. do u get on christians for believing the bible when it argues with itself as well? or u just like to pick on mormons and go off what your told about and what ANTI website's say? get a life and find something positive to do with it. critical thought and being a tool bag are 2 diff things man. learn the diff. make arguments on your own page. i'm done filling her inbox with these pointless comments.
mormonkid86 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 Boy you have degenerated in to a frothing rant of hate. I assume this means you lost the argument, it usually does.A persons skin color to day that is red is a sign of their peoples sins and Joseph Smith not only wrote that he used it the same way the Nazi's did with the Jews. He used it as a way to legitimize it to steal their land and make them subhuman. Funny how you seem to have a better grasp of blacks selling blacks than your own history, again looking for a excuse.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 i mean if your gonna do that with the church might as well with the south and how they treated slaves. lets blame the southerners for what their ancestors did. lets blame blacks for all the murders done by crips and bloods. all germans for the holocaust. or here's an option....GROW UP!!!! it IS the past.
mormonkid86 1 year ago
@mormonkid86 There you go again crawling away from responsibility, anything but that NOOOOOO! LOL You also clearly did not read my prior post as warned. THE LDS is still doing evil shit to this day. There are videos here on youtube where the LDS has given ELECTRIC SHOCK to gay people. I am sure you will have some excuse for this too no doubt. This is the problem with not confronting your past just wishing it went away. Do you think those gay people care that building burned?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
Are you calling Joseph Smith a Individual Idiot? He called native people marked as cursed by god, incited violence and advocated the crushing of free speech. If you are that would mean you are taking personal responsibility for your religion and you go up two notches in my book but I doubt it.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 Yes this is in your past: 9-11-1857, in SW Utah, a militia of the CJC of LDS, attacked a wagon train of Arkansas families bound for CA. After a 5 day siege, they persuaded the families to surrender under a flag of truce and a pledge of safe passage. Then, in the worst butchery of white pioneers by other white pioneers in the entire colonization of America, approximately 140 men, women and children were slaughtered.The church first claimed that local Paiute Indians were responsible.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@pangea7777 its a building. i dont think anybody died.
anonazero 11 months ago
Some other fun facts about Joseph Smith
1. Killed by a mob "yes wrong" for trying to suppress free speech! He tried to destroy a newspaper critical of him.
2. Hounded by former members and business associates everywhere he went after promising wealth and power to them.
3. Calmed he was anti slavery but wrote a pro-slavery essay he published in 1836 and opposed the baptism of slaves without permission of their masters. (Wow what a hardline he took)
Just to name a few
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 I love the "fun facts" more more!
yaateeh24 1 year ago
This building has many good memeories for me from so far back and recent - even my kids got to have a stake conference there with my husband just after we wed!
I didn't know your Dad put the Carpet in there! I was 10 - do you remember him doing that? Thank you for posting this. We are all so very sad! This is your neighbor growing up - the same age as your oldest sister - I won't post names!
You are wonderful! Hope we see you soon - next trip over!?
keineangst08 1 year ago 2
this was also the day my beloved Mother was buried... It will always be a day that brings sadness to my heart but happy memories for my Mother and the exciting times spent in this wonderful building
ECBS22 1 year ago
Radio Paul; I'm a strong portion American Indian. 3 great grand mothers were Cherokee and 2 great-great-grea, whatever, were Potowami. none of it offends me. Mormons love all people.
brooksidecourt 1 year ago 2
@brooksidecourt You speak for all Native Americans? LOL You are so full of it. Mormons exterminated Native People and say they love everyone. I just wished they loved the truth and facts of their own history too. By the way why does your Youtube Account say not available. You did not just crate it for this didi you?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
Secondly; everyone gets offended for one reason or another. Read your scriptures. Are you offended by the mark of Cain? Is that the fault of any one man on Earth other than Cain himself?
brooksidecourt 1 year ago 2
Radio Paul; learn how to spell. A profit is a financial increase, not a man of God, and it was Joseph Smith. And not everyone looked down at the Jews. Not even all Germans. It was Nazi teaching.
brooksidecourt 1 year ago 2
@brooksidecourt We will just call it a play on words. Your Profit was what he was after. He was chased out of more than one town by close investors. Also, again here we go, not all Germans were responsible LOL, yes they were. Even those that fought Hitler were but they took their responsibility seriously fought back and did not make excuses for Hitler. I have yet to meet one current Mormon that does anything but make excuses for the crimes of Joseph Smith. Plenty of ex members trash him tough!
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
On the flip side....I wonder if this a coincidence, because Provo has been doing a lot of renovating lately! I was surprised to see how much as changed since Spring!
lcarter80 1 year ago
I live in Utah, and in early Spring of this year, my fiance (now husband) parked our car at the Provo Tabernacle to take some of our engagement pictures, and I remember admiring the heir of history this building had. I've lived in Utah for over 5 years, and worked not too far from this building and I have never been inside of the Provo Tabernacle, but on that day of my engagement pictures, I felt like this building held so much history. I am sorry to see it go.
lcarter80 1 year ago
i was reading all of the fighting and fussing going on and ended up getting a huge boner...
thnx guys!
BScottRiggs 1 year ago
People please be nice.
This is a big loss not jus for Provo, but for the entire state it made the front page and the headline. At least sympathize with the good folks. The Latter Day Saints aren't as bad you other people think. As I always say, "You've never known a person until you have alittle small talk with them or at least a hand shake." We are nicer than the public percieves us as. So please at least say, " Sorry for your loss."
andrewwatson39 1 year ago 2
@andrewwatson39 No they are worse because they utterly refuse to come to terms with their past and are obsessed with rewriting history. People that do that are doomed to repeat the past and have no real scene of moral obligation just a fabricated one.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 Don't make generalizations. Do you know every single mormon? Do you think you truly know them, or do you just believe that you do? People make mistakes, and we realize that; there are those who wish to hide from them, but not everyone is as bad as you think. There is no need to do what you are doing right now. This video was only supposed to be about the tragic loss of a public building that just happened to be owned by the Church. Other faiths and institutions used it as well.
jojesaky16 1 year ago
@jojesaky16 You never learn, I am not making generalizations and I don't believe I have. I have responded to individuals and their comments. But I do see a pattern here. 1. Only a false sympathy and reality will be excepted. 2. To define how people should feel about this building and control anyone that feels different. 3. Obsess with rewriting history. 4. Explode in a fit of rage when things don't go your way No I wont back off and that should be clear from prior responses.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
Okay i'm Christian not morman, but I am sad to see such an historical monument go.
ANGRY0evil0IRISH0man 1 year ago 2
this was an EXTREMELY a trajic loss to not just provo, but to the ENTIRE LDS religion. its also a sad loss to orem cause alot of us would be down to the tabernacle to see all the history about the building and everything. no matter what people say, the LDS religion is 100% TRUE.
123456hotwheels 1 year ago
Whenever I see comments full of this much hate it renews my fatih that the LDS church is TRUE. You can't be respectul and compasionate just hateful which comes from Satan. Satan loves to encourage hatred of anything TRUE. The truth is just too threatening. The history that is behind this landmark and the building itself as well as the contents are irreplacable. Not to mention the emotional ties this community has for this building and all it stands for. This is a tragedy for all.
kittenlover1478 1 year ago
It always amazes me how people seek to belittle the prophet by shortening his name to Joe.
Museite 1 year ago
@Museite if you would take time to look at facts that the church labels "anti" you would call him Joe as well. If the church is true why do they tell you to never read or discuss anything that mite disprove it? The facts stand on there own. I apologise if i offended.
yaateeh24 1 year ago
@yaateeh24 I'm not offended. It's simply a question of respect. He is a religious figure, like him or hate him. I don't imagine that you (or anyone sensible) would presume to call the Prophet Mohammad, 'Mo', for example.
Museite 1 year ago
@Museite Point taken and understood, i guess i cant change that.
yaateeh24 1 year ago
@yaateeh24 You have a refreshing attitude. Many (on both sides) find it impossible to respectfully disagree and discuss beliefs objectively. I tip my hat to you.
Museite 1 year ago
@Museite Serios question, when I looked into the history of Joseph Smith, evidence stated that he was partially mentally retarded. Is is true?
AcousticAndroid 1 year ago
@AcousticAndroid I refer you to my comment below to yaateeh24. You are not one of those people.
Museite 1 year ago
@AcousticAndroid no, in fact their is no record of anything about Joseph Smith having any type of mental disorder. Many people over the years have spread rumors about him, so must of it is untrue.
ANGRY0evil0IRISH0man 1 year ago
Jesus warned of false prophets like Joe Smith. Be wise and read you Bibles. Joe Smith has pulled one of the greatest hoaxes in the new world. The rest of the world sees it plainly why cant you? Why do you think the world laughs at you? Jesus is Lord and loves you and needs you to listen to truth if you hear it. Ask Him.
yaateeh24 1 year ago
bishop must have left a lit cigarette burning in his office
rtardbox 1 year ago
HA HA!
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
Lol, that's "ZombieVengeance". Sorry.
lkidler 1 year ago
@ Zombierevenge Everyone reacts differently. There's nothing wrong with this woman's tears. This is so upsetting, and she's sleep deprived, so she's going to have trouble speaking. What of it? I know Zombies don't cry cause they're dead.
lkidler 1 year ago
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This is very tragic it goes beyond words to see something of such intrinsic, architectural and spiritual/emotional value to a community of people. As an lover of architecture, history and anything of beauty this really hurts to watch.
I am optimistic it will eventually be rebuilt especially considering its value and historical importance to the local area.
pangeanet 1 year ago 3
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The girl talking is so lame. Way over dramatic. It's just a building. I'd hate to see how she'd react if Nordstrom burned down. lol Also reports are saying that a film crew from Brigham Young University might be responsible. Oh yeah. Had I been there I would have started singing, "The Spirit of God!" lol
ZombieVengence 1 year ago
@ZombieVengence yea and to you your body is "just a body" when you saw someone burning alive, critically injured in an automobile accident, etc. Every physical thing in this world only has the value that is attached to it. If you can not understand or respect others this tells volumes about your own character more than the poor person who is expressing their emotions not doing so for your entertainment but as a natural response to what she is seeing.
pangeanet 1 year ago 3
@pangeanet yes my body IS just a body. If I saw someone on fire I'd most likely shout out, "Great balls of fire!"
ZombieVengence 1 year ago
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motherfuck you and god and church and your mom
cr500450eater 1 year ago
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. This building was held dear in the hearts of so many long ago and now that witnessed it's beauty. They don't need your negativity.
The Provo Tabernacle will be forever remembered.
mstess17 1 year ago 3
@AcousticAndroid..honey..church was VERY much apart of the state back in the begininng of this here country. Why law was practised from The Bible :O amazin', ay? It took ONE person to get prayer removed from school..ONE! If anything..this country needs to return to spiritual/religious ground it was founded upon! Oh yeah and give more back to the Native Americans..white man really messed them over!
soulseeker182 1 year ago
@soulseeker182 The church is saturated in every public school in Utah. Why is it that there is a seminary building on every school ground? Why do we build our graduation requirements to cater to students that take a seminary class during the day during school time. It's disgusting to me. It would not happen anywhere else in the country. If you want a religious school, like the catholics do, then open a private/charter school. Don't make the taxpayers pay for your kid to go to Seminary
AcousticAndroid 1 year ago
@AcousticAndroid cool! Thanks for the info! Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
soulseeker182 1 year ago
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that dirty nigger will breath it up in them ape nostrils of his
cr500450eater 1 year ago
oh yay more smoke for that filthy air in that poor valley some more places should burn up there reduce the population and let that vallet recover from the mess up there :P but pretty sad to see what building caught on fire
babydisey 1 year ago
@babydisey me talk rael good me understood you can up stand go in places will be?
2perishable 1 year ago
@2perishable what?
babydisey 1 year ago
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babydisey 1 year ago
First to comment about the political comments. This is not the place. If this was my item that was posted, all would be deleted. We already know that there are those thata do not like the LDS Church. OH well. Keep hating.
As for this building. I spent two weeks in the Provo area on a work assignment last year. I was going to stop and do a photo shoot of my own. Now I wish i had.
I love old buildings and take pictures whenever I can. LDS and others. A loss of history is not political.
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vrystrangeman 1 year ago
One of my fondest memories of this building is when the local Catholic church used it for Christmas eve Mass (1996). The old St. Francis church couldn't hold the whole congregation so the local priest asked the LDS church if they could use it - and of course they said yes. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. This building really was a community building and I hope it is restored.
BookandCandle 1 year ago 3
Very Sad, God Bless all the Members~
hamoDiva1 1 year ago
oh you are kinky @)))))
cr500450eater 1 year ago
@Tyehao it is a building with a TON of sentimental value... :/
Luv4thaBiebz 1 year ago
@cr500450eater or better yet, YOU should've been in the building, tied up and gagged on the roof... where no one could hear your screams.. I think that wouldve been a miracle to all of us... >:)
Luv4thaBiebz 1 year ago
this is a TERRIBLE trajedy that has happened to the LDS religion. i was on my way to the bus stop and i was watching fox 13 good day utah for a couple minutes and i heard about this and my stomach turned inside out.
123456hotwheels 1 year ago 2
lol ur a jackoff
cr500450eater 1 year ago
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haha but i wish it would have been full of mormons or the slc temple thank you for this great christmas miracle
cr500450eater 1 year ago
@cr500450eater
What a horrid un-Christlike thing to say. This building meant a lot to the community not just the Latter-day Saints. It is a loss to all of Provo and its neighbors, not just the Mormons.
JJDraper 1 year ago 10
so sad. thanks for posting this.
kimmychan1967 1 year ago 2
Sad to see a building that gave people so much comfort over the years go up in smoke. Hope the Church had insurance, if not I am sure money can be found to do so.
78logistics 1 year ago
Although I am not LDS, I studied at BYU for 3 years and I lived in an apartment really close to this place. It breaks my heart to see this beautiful historic structure go up in flames. Sincerely hoping they can save the building and rebuild! Keep the faith!
theostrich76 1 year ago 3
@theostrich76 Maybe they can turn it in to something useful like a Taco Bell. Then it could provide jobs for the community it these times of need. Let gods will be done !!!
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
haha i think that whoever brings up the topic about homosexuality is just frustrated cause they havent found their true self... godlbless.
1063angel 1 year ago
@1063angel Or maybe we just think outside the box and haven't drank the Kool-Aid from the LDS church like everyone else.
AcousticAndroid 1 year ago
Sorry to the individual that posted this. I know this wasn't your intent when you posted this. I have never been to this building, but have friends that grew up in it. It's truly a sad day in our world.
jgarcia0264 1 year ago
You know what's really pathetic? I come on here, being LDS myself and instead of mourning the loss of this really beautiful place and hearing the public's stories on what they remember about it. Instead this forum reminds me of political hamsters spinning around on their wheels accomplishing nothing! On both sides, of all things! This is really a loss of something priceless to us, no matter our standing in the world. Have some mercy, people.
jgarcia0264 1 year ago 4
@jgarcia0264 By that rational people should have been upset at the destruction of Hitlers bunker. People forget what you all did to Native Americans! But no matter how much you all try to write yourselves in to the pages of history you will be exposed.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 Ummmm.. What did I do to a Native American? Nothing! What did my parents do to a Native American? Nothing! Yes, I will agree that there are people in every religion in HISTORY (as in the past) that have done horrific injustices to others. Our prophet was assassinated. Our women and children were also hunted down like cattle. I can continue this easily. I choose not to. Why? B/c at that point it becomes a spitting contest where no one wins. All I'm saying is have some mercy.
jgarcia0264 1 year ago
@jgarcia0264 That is like a German solder at a concentration camp saying I did not gas anyone??? At lest the German people trashed that ideology and don't defend it. Did the LDS have mercy for the Naive peoples lands that they stole? How about mercy for your well documented hatred of black people. Don't take real responsibility for your history, just pay token lip service while defending and organization who's profit said they were Lamanites and were cursed!!! Are you calling your profit a liar?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 We're not talking about WWII, which happened over 65 yrs ago. I'm sorry, but I wasn't there for it or I would've tried to have stopped it. We're not talking about how people who made a horrific travesty against a race of people who didn't deserve it from 200 yrs ago b/c all the people around them did this. This was how all of the USA was built. Why don't you give your land back then if you have any, btw. We're talking about a beautiful building that was destroyed by a fire.
jgarcia0264 1 year ago
@jgarcia0264 Funny how you say you wernt there for WW2 or you would have stopped it but then make excuses for the murder and racism of the LDS. Would you have stopped Joseph Smith? He was Hitler to the peoples lands he stole and the hatred he sowed in his followers hearts by saying dark skinned people were cursed. Kinda blamed them like the Hitler did the Jews huh? I don't own any land but the LDS does so be sure to do the moral thing and demand your church give it back now ok?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 Alright. I'll say this. If you're too stubborn to listen, your loss. I simply stated it happened a long time ago before I (or half my known ancestors) were thought of. I would think it would be simply implied whether it's 65-2000 yrs ago, it would still be unacceptable regardless of race. COMMON SENSE, Buddy! All I'm saying is have compassion to us NOW. Can you do that? If not, have respect and remain silent. If you can't say anything good to this situation, then be like Thumper!
jgarcia0264 1 year ago
@jgarcia0264 Nope, you couldn't say you have a point and let it go. Who is stubborn? You want me to have compassion about an old building that was built on other peoples land and for an organization built on lies? All the time you keep making excuses like it was a long time ago. You would stop the Nazis but refuse to say "show compassion" would have stopped Joseph Smith. I will at least say I am glad no one got hurt in the fire but I don't feel a bit bad that an Icon of lies got burned.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 Are you really so narrow-minded that you're going to pin the wrong-doings of others from ages past onto the people of today? NO ONE from that time period had mercy for the Native Americans. We have it now. We have compassion and love NOW. But that rhetoric will get you nowhere into seeing that. Understand that the ideals that I have for my faith is intact, not what they did in the past. None of the prejudice against anyone. But I love my faith for the good things it can and will do.
jgarcia0264 1 year ago
@jgarcia0264 Also if I did own land I might or might not give it back, can't really say to be honest but you will never find me doing what you are doing. I don;t defend a belief system based on lies and founded in racism. I trash the US government all the time for never making reparations or taking real responsibility for what they did. Now that that church has burned maybe you all could do the right thing and set an example but I doubt it.
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 I don't know the faith you speak of. What I've been raised was founded on love & admiration for all. I can't speak for the people of the past. I wasn't there. I don't defend Joseph Smith as an individual, I defend what I know. You can't paint us all w/a brush from the past. We're not the same. I've respect for him b/c he was willing to die for his people. Was he flawed and racist? Possibly. Most white people were. Surprise! I'd end up despising half my own family from that time.
jgarcia0264 1 year ago
@jgarcia0264 Now you are lying. Joshed Smith YOUR PROFIT said Native people had their skin turned brown as a cures. You think you can pick and chose what you are held accountable for defending. It does not work that way in the real world. You do know that your profit was a racist right? Most white people were? I guess it was ok to kill Jews in WW2 Germany because most people were. The German people don't do today what you are doing, do get that? You can love people without living a lie. Its ok
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@RadioPaul1 actually it wasn't our Prophet Joseph Smith who said that, if you would read your Bible you'll find it there. It was God who changed the color of the skin of all those who were decended from Cain, because he killed his brother. Oh, and it was NOT alright to kill Jews just because they were Jews. AND did you know that Hitler didn't order just the killing of Jews.You really need to brush up on your history and Bible study before you start accusing. Also, this isn't the place for it!
ECBS22 1 year ago
@ECBS22 Wow, what a lied you are. I have read the bible and the book of mormon and Yes The Book of Mormon describes the Lamanites as dark skin as a sign of the curse for their rebelliousness (the curse itself being the withdrawal of the Spirit of God), and it is excepted by the LDS that they are Native Americans. Yes The Nazis killed others than Jews, I never said they did not nor is that an excuse for the crimes of Joseph Smith. Ohhh the Nazi's killed more, so that makes us good??? LOL
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
@jgarcia0264 Furthermore are you so narrow minded that you can't see that I am not blaming you for the deeds of others? I am blaming you for defending them and a belief system that was based and founded on lies, theft, murder, racism, sexism, homophobia and clearly false statements that have been proven as such. You want me to say that you and other LDSers have learned and we all should move on yet you are stuck defending people like Joe Smith. You can't say you have a point and let it go can U?
RadioPaul1 1 year ago