Catholicism..Islam have corrupted man for centuries..
The truth is a man named Jesus lived and educated man in morality and ethical behaviour.He was trualy a magnificant man.Son of God ? we know that is not true as we know there are no such thing as prophets or Gods.
If we must subscribe to a religion to refrain from slaughtering each other...then my religion is best..Protestantism for the win..it brought us out of the dark ages and freed all men.
@philbo1965uk If you follow Jesus' ethical behavior why do you marry at all? Jesus was celibate. Martin Luther the founder of your Church said to be a Christian you must pluck out the eye of reason.
@VoyageIslam It may be of comfort to sidestep the issue and be in denial...but this is only brief as you struggle with your conscience..but the logic of it always comes back to torment you.
Mohammed(pbuh)was a paedophile and child abuser.The tradition of your religion up to modern times is one of paedophilia.
The religion is based on the sexual gratification of adult males and the abuse of females both adult and child.
But !....I do not lay blame for this on Mohammed (pbuh) himself.
@philbo1965uk Pedophile is a Greek term that derives from a Greek perversion of homosexuality and children you people see Greece as the cradle of civilization even though they were a culture of perverts. Muhammad pbuh never abused a single female maybe you are confusing him with your Henry the 8th, Dominique Strauss Khan or Silvio Berlusconi or the U.K.'s most famous proponent of womens rights Jack the Ripper who was probably a royal.
@VoyageIslam Because we cherry picked all the good bits in the bible that gave moral guidance in how to treat each other and threw out all the rubbish.This is why we don't stone our granny for wearing garments made from two different threads.
I cannot name ONE Islamic state that allows freedom for the population to chose their own governance.
Nor can I name one that allows apostacy .
Islam is an ideology...a cult that has oppression as it's soul.
The middle east was once the cradle of civilisation..it has wasted 1300 yrs by decending into mohammadism...and seeks to maintain it's established oppressive grip and export it globally.
Accept it or not but Islam glorifies mohhamed as a diety..In the very same way catholics glorify Christ
The Quran is clearly the Bible plagarised....The Bible as well as any other religion was written by MEN.
Within those pages we can have empathy for those men living in desperate times.Their humanity is astonishing to modern man..with many good and important moral and ethical guidance.Of course we can see the bad bits which are a product of their times...yet instead of cherrypicking the good only.We ignorantly keep the bad to excuse corrupt behaviour.its about power !
Brother you think you are a muslim...yet living in America it is a fad...a sham.Like the punkrock era.What faction of Islam do you subscribe to for discussion?
They say the proof is in the pudding brother..why don't you travel to the yemen,palestine and assist your brothers.We all know how your muslim brothers would recieve you..you'd quickly be just another black dude dead American.
You wear Islam like a football shirt on your back.
Look what Islam has done in Africa ..shame on you brother
Once again you are way off base. 1, I have lived in the USA as a Muslim for ten years. 2. I have now lived in a Muslim country for ten years. 3,. Most of my friends in America are reverts who have been Muslim before me. 4. Yemen does not have Islamic law. Why would I go to Palestine to for brotherhood every Muslim is my brother.
5. I hate football.
6. Look what Islam has done for Africa. Islam did greater things in Africa than King Leopold.
@philbo1965uk Every human being is bonded by genetics but Islam bonds by spiritual unity which transcends genetic bonds. None of the countries you mentioned have shariah as the definitive law so, you can no more judge Islam by any of those countries (especially Algeria which is Christian), than you can judge freedom by the West. By the way I have ready been to both Saudi and Indonesia: have you been to Christian countries like Rwanda, Zimbabwe or MEXICO?
@VoyageIslam Islam bonds by Jihad and hate. Even people of different sects of Islam hate each other to the core. Most Muslim countries have stopped following sharia. Only Saudi arabia follows Koran and Sharia and most Muslims hate Saudi arabia. Last month 15 arab women working for an aairline were arrested for prostitution in Saudi arabia. Go and read the news at emirates24dotcom. You can also search about rape on that web site. Allah is great.
@viccram You are wrong most Muslim countries have not stopped following sharia all of them have. Saudi Arabia is a kingdom which is a secular concept. You accuse me of hate while you bash Arabs? Do you know Arabs are the minority in Islam? Rape is prevalent in every culture in the USA a woman is raped every 2 minutes. Allah is great.
@philbo1965uk Right now the most violent conflict in the world is in Mexico, (a Chistian country), more civilians are being killed in Mexico by drug Catels than the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
@xactlyme You say marriage is a sham I found most people who believe that are people who America has tagged by the label illegitimate. The Bible uses the term Bastard which is also a popular term although I personally find both terms distasteful when referring to a situation the child has no control over. My parents had been married 10 years when I was born I am not ashamed of that. How long were your parents married?
@xactlyme Every decent human being understands this.Muslims seek to excuse this abhorrent behaviour under the guise of marriage.It protects them from prosecution and a death penalty.
They see nothing wrong with taking the innocence and corrupting young children because they believe the Quran ...and the hadiths.They do not question nor cherry pick the goodness within as a standard for moral guidance,which is why the once cradle of civilisation is a wasteland of abuse ,violence and persecution.
@VoyageIslam Who?.....well, as we know there is diversity of culture and creeds.There is no fixed marital age.
The general consensus amongst civilised and educated peoples is when both genders can be deemed to have reached adulthood.Common sense tells us this is after puberty and usually around the age of 18,some countries set this age in law to protect children.
@TheJinnAndTonicShow As long as your comments are in context and meet the video's challenge of presenting a moral code(dictated by a religious book) or legal code of that time and region I have no problem.
@VoyageIslam Only in your own mind.You speak of logic but lack it.You cite laws and jurisdictions and hide behind analogy as justification for child abuse.Shame on you.
In a lawless land you make excuses for immorality and unethical behaviour.
You do not need laws to instruct you on what a child is...shame on you brother for excusing pedophilia and wrapping it up as tradition.I do not argue that it is tradition of perverts,a reason to expunge it from civilised society and protect the innocent.
@philbo1965uk Child abuse by who's standards? I think many American child stars are abused and none of them grow up with the power or dignity of Ayesha. Yes, you do need laws to define what a child is Row vs Wade attempted to do just that but it failed. I never said anything about tradition I am saying the West can never colonize the past.
@DarkprinX2500 Islam allows sex with whatever the right hand possessed? Can any Muslim explain what is "right hand possession"??Islam has done nothing for Muslim countries, Just see what is happening in Pakistan and Koran.
Last year a child marriage case in Yemen made international headlines after a 12-year-old girl died in childbirth, together with the baby.The first dhimmis in Islam are the muslimas. Deep inside they know that child marriages are worse. Yet, to please their mullahs and stupid menfolk they oppose the ban on child marriages. The death of islam starts with the liberation of muslim women.
im not christian.. but islam is worse than christianity.. at least christians don't kill people for insulting jesus... but muzzies follow these hadith here ya go..
Bukhari (59:369) - This recounts the murder of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet who wrote verses about Muslims that Muhammad found insulting. He asked his followers, 'Who will rid me of this man?' and several volunteered. al-Ashraf was stabbed to death while fighting for his life.
The ulema [Islam’s interpreters] have agreed that it is permissible for fathers to marry off their small daughters, even if they are in the cradle. But it is not permissible for their husbands to have sex with them unless they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men.
Fawzan, of course, is not the first to insist on the legitimacy of pedophilia in Islam. Even the former grand mufti of Saudi Arabia supported “child-marriage,” since “the Koran and Sunna document it.”
Fawzan concludes his fatwa with a warning: “It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
Bukhari vol. 7, #65: "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""From the hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309 Aisha reported: Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine….
Dr. Salih bin Fawzan, a prominent cleric and member of Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council, just issued a fatwa asserting that there is no minimum age for marriage, and that girls can be married “even if they are in the cradle.”
you forgot to mention that the Prophet is seen by your lot as the perfect example of behavior, which is why there are STILL Muslim men marrying prepubescent girls (Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan,..) Or is that just another one of Western media's nasty lies?
@ndamseaux The Prophets first wife was 15 years his senior so if we are to follow his example exactly we have to marry an older woman for nearly two decades before taking a second wife of any age. By the way Japan has a higher rate of men cohabiting with young girls and do not forget Thailand that has a child sex trade fueled by Westerners. Islam allows no sex without the responsibility of marriage.
@VoyageIslam Oh really? Is that why on one of your other videos you said yourself that the Prophet freed all his slaves and concubines? If "concubine" in this context did not mean sex slave, would you mind clarifying it up for me?
Either you are completely deluding yourself about the possibility that Islam was at least in part altered by man or you really and truly believe that God is a hypocrite.
@VoyageIslam I thought I read it in a comment in your thread with someone, but now I can't find it. Regardless, can you help me understand how this does NOT contradict that which you call zina?
@ndamsI never said concubine Zina means any form sexual intercourse outside of marriage', as Islam prohibits all sexual intimacy other than between husband and wife within marriage. The word is mentioned in HQ 17:32. In eastern culture it is common sense that sex outside of marriage is forbidden you even find this among Hindu and Buddhist culture but as a person like yourself who comes from a country with a 50% illegitimacy rate I can see why sex and marriage do not go hand and hand with you.
@VoyageIslam Thailand has a sex trade and attracts perverts from across the globe.
Under islamic law it is perfectly acceptable to take a wife from the age of 1yr old.When that is consumated varies considerably..however not one islamic country prosecutes if they are married.As you gave mention.
Your main argument appears to be "well look they do it" that is an argument from ignorance.
Regardless of faith,creed it should be abhorrent to all mankind that a child can be taken by men and abused.
@phil Perverts from your country: the U.K. which also imports sex slaves from Eastern Europe do not go to Thailand for wives most of them like John Mark Carr go there to molest little boys, you know like your priest do all the time. Islam allows a marriage contract at any age but consummation is only allowed after the females first menstrual cycle. Why would any country persecute marriage? Islam does not do what Westerners do or we would not DEMAND men not to take responsibility.
I understand that you are a convert but that just means you have more responsibility to know your grounds better than the ones born into it.
Dont you think its better to make a solid statement rather than bringing up other topics to give an unclear statement?
Its like your mom accuses you of hitting your classmate and you just end up saying "my brother does even worse also how dare you accuse me if my elder bro is doing these things.."
because we as human beings are meant to feel that other people are around us. we should not think of ourselves and feel very insensitive about the fact that other people can hear or read what we say. and as i said again car is a thing. religion is a sensitive topic. almost more sensitive that comparing your mom with mine.
@VoyageIslam hahaha i'll tell you something i've learnt. Grow where you were planted. IF and only IF you think you can be a better man somewhere else then get up, go, plant yourself in different soil and grow. But if you are going to go and be the same person or (in your case) much worst.. then what's the point of picking up your plant to plant it in another place where it won't grow? ;)
@TheLT07 I was not home when you posted your comment.
1. I am not a plant.
2. I left my native soil nearly 10 years ago. I suggest you do the same see the world maybe that will make you less of a bigot.
3. I do not value your opinion. If you have any intelligible input concerning the topic of the video please substitute such in the stead of sophomoric adhominems.
@VoyageIslam A true Muslim always values peoples opinions, it was one of the things taught by our prophet :]
and i also want to mention that there is definitely an answer to why the prophet "married" ayesha but i dont think you have found it yet. research more and try to forget about other things and just focus on the question "why?" you'll get an answer, a convincing one to you and also others :]
@VoyageIslam car and religion are far from each other. It is an ok thing to compare cars with each other but it is an EXTREMELY sensitive thing to compare religions with each other. Think logics my friend ;)
@TheLT07 It was an analogy meant o set a figurative scenario not a literal situation. The point is, if you would compare an item as insignificant as a car why would you not compare something as crucial as faith?
Islam means submission to the revised religion of Muhammad. Through the ages many have claimed to have the only true message and/or to have had angels visit them. Before Jesus came, there had been many claiming to be the prophesied Christ. There are some today saying Jesus was not the Christ but they are! The challenge throughout time has been to not just accept someone's claims but to verify them.
A true apostle MUST have signs, miracles and wonders as proof God is with them.(1 Cor.12:12)
So man and girl love is koreiorastia or korerasty more accurately am I right? Penetration should remain unlawful with pre-pubescent girls regardless of what then what comes to thigging you muzzies have to explain it to the federal authorities and politicians. As long nobody get hurt it's ok but then it's just a thought.
I see the point but then why do some Muslims want to punish (e.g. stone) someone according to a "law" from more than 1000 years ago? Pork is dirty? We live n the 21st centuty now and we have refrigerators and food control now. Telling people to conduct their lives like it was back in the old days sounds also like nonsense to me. To me, people who don't question things and just blindly follow dogmas are slaves.
Good work brother. I was not alwqays Muslim, continue to attempt to be gentle. Allah(swt) guided me to the truth and I am forever grateful. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge brother. I understand perfectly why the states has young consent ages, they used to marry earlier, due to death rates coming much faster at a younger age. Funny how were going backwards now, you know.
1. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal, that doesn't mean it was right, it means that the "christians" were not following God. And that's the point. You can use "marriage" tojustify fucking little girls, but it's wrong biol;ogically. They are not fully grown, childbearing is far more dangerous, too many died because they were not fully mature. GOD is the question, anda prophet must act in a godly way, not like an animal who takes for his own lust.
@squirtgunpewpewpew 2. Yes, there are abominations committed by all religions, but just because another religion is full of selfish animals, doesn't change the fact that moohamad claimed to be of god, but endangered the lives of little girls so he could get his rocks off. He was no more of god than t6he slave trading christians. Legal? Good, when blacks are again legally made slaves, we'll use the same reasoning. How DARE you complain about what was legal?
@squirtgunpewpewpew 3. As far as people being dense, I will explain something to you that mere animals don't understand. Compassion for other human beings, thinking before we act and foregoing our selfish desires if such can harm others. THAT is of God, but a mere animal is not. Islam claims mooohamad is a prophet of god, then his character needs to live up to that, you filthy ape. Look how far you will jabber on to defend a child fucking animal, in the same way christians defend their own filth
Oh, and the word comes from the Greek: παιδοφιλία (paidophilía), παῖς (paîs), meaning "child," and φιλία (philía), meaning "friendly love" or "friendship." Obviously in modern context, the word for friendly love has changed to mean sexual attraction.
and about all the pedophiles in the US (and everywhere on the world) should be killed, all are the same(no disrespect to Mohammed) but what you forget my friend, Back then it was okay to marry a child, BUT THATS STILL HAPPENING NOW<-------- NOT 1400yrs AGO AND THATS JUST SICK!!!!!!! whatever mohammed did then (what was normal in his time) but the same thing is still going on and as i write this message its still happening, and if someone hides behind a law of 1400yrs ago then he's ust a pedo
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh I agree with you the West has a horrific populous of child molesters. The laws in the Muslim world are their business I do not meddle in that any more than I support non-Americans meddling in America's perverted stance on gay marriage.
I do agree partly on the gay marriage part, only difference being is that they both are adults and are old enough to know what their doing. But be honest, lets say someone goes to a country where marriage between a child and an adult is illigal by the laws of the country, most still marry that kid
But whenever 2 gay persons go to an Arabic country and want to marry, they get kicked out of that country(if not worse), but vica versa muslims concider it as racism *thnx for response*
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh Which society would last longer the one being exclusively and esoterically built on homosexuality or the one where age is not a factor between a male and female?
None of them both should be forbidden and let me be clear about one thing ; i dont support gay marriage so in case u think i do try another example, but my point at my previous post wasnt about whats better for society (because both man would work and pay taxes and everything) but its dont forbid something because its not accepted in your culture(wich i respect so u know that), but dont force other people in their culture to accept your rules if you refuse to do the same
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh My culture is Southern American culture, what are you talking about? I embraced a religion not a tribe the cultural habits of some so-called Muslims are just as appalling as the cultural habits of some so-called Americans. Even though my culture is American I reject the negative aspects of that culture i.e. alcohol, drugs homosexuality ect, likewise even though my culture is Islam I reject local customs and Un-Islamic traditions of many so-called Muslims.
No offense but you realy dont get my point do you? And you just tell want u want to tell without realy replying on my comment, so ill explain once more; Lets take Great Brittain(UK) and Iran....; The UK isnt a Islamic countrty and it hasnt got a Islamic and Iran is right? Now take 2 gay people from the UK and 2 muslims from Iran and switch the countries they live in.... Now they both wanna marry in the other country (so Gays in iran and muslims in the UK) ..........................
........................ and wich of those 2 parties has the highestchance of gettin married in the oposite country? The 2 gay people are bad,nasty and not tolerated, BUT when 2 muslims wanna marry in the UK and they would not allow it, you people start whining that its rasism......... and who give u people the right to call infidels PIGS and Jews are even worse? So please dont act like all of you are perfect:)
1:48 so molesting a child is the same as chewing bubblegum? u sick pervert, and yes indeed u cant be cherged for chewing bubble gum u chewed on a few weeks ago, but in the now-a-days term Mohammed is a Pedophile, maybe to you he isnt or in that time he wasnt, but in the year 2011 mister, Mohammed is still concidered as a Pedophile if u like or not...,Adolf Hitler,Klaus Barbie,Benito Mussolini and many more are still called war criminals today but also had millions of people who believed in them.
In muslim world child marriages are allowed thanks to muhamad`s example, like Nojood Ali in Yemen,2008. & Khomeini legalized it in Iran 1979(still legal today).SO didnt broke those time`s law is ridiculous excuse: he made that medieval rule respected in our days. & sex is bad to children´s health, EVEN on that time(thats why its a crime).Not opinion: fact.
Your little illogical repetitive arguments failed to answer that so no wonder you block people who owned u like hazy992. Block me: who cares?
@hatebigots1 Yes, in many places today a man can marry a female and take care of that female because of Muhammad the woman have rights. In America today a man can have sex with a young woman and even though it is illegal your teenage pregnancy rate sky rockets. I am not going to block you unless you use hominems which denote an inferior intellect not worthy of my attention. If you believe you are capable of an academic discussion please try your best.
Now you will block me or block me after some angry whining about how I say "lies" and "slander", bla bla bla, against moo-am-mad, piss be upon him, probably...
Ignoring me is the less childish answer you can give me. :D
@cynicalandskeptical Yes adhominem arguments and insults to the prophet Muhammad alone would get you blocked not to mention you failed to address even one point in my video. Goodbye.
if you look at it objectively then you have to look at what mohammed did as an ACT not a crime. if i killed someone and it wasnt illegal to do so, it doesnt mean i didnt kill someone.
@Hazy992 Murder is condemned in every religious scripture marriage however is not mandated by age in any. If you say it was wrong I am asking by hat standard? I gave you the religious and cultural moral laws condemning murder give me the universal moral law that applies to the proper age of marriage.
@VoyageIslam no, you misunderstand me. i was using an analogy. just pretend for a moment that legally, morally and from a religious standpoind that killing someone is ok. if i were to then kill someone, the fact that it is allowed doesnt mean i didnt do it. do you understand?
@Hazy992 This is not Mr. Rogers and I feel no need to make believe. Murder is no more relevant to murder than a apple is to a 57 Chevy. There are several religious and social laws forbidding murder even though the 7th century Arabs regularly murdered little girls.
@VoyageIslam you just dont understand analogies do you? you dont understand them, and you dont understand my argument, so you just employ the strawman fallacy because you dont actually know what youre talking about and you cant refute what you dont understand.
i know theres many laws that forbid murder, im not saying there arent. its called an ANALOGY. go look it up sometime
@Hazy992 If I wanted analogy I would read some Langston Hughes. I asked for a moral or social law that was broken in 7th century Arabia. Can you answer the question posed in the video instead of using diversionary tactics?
@VoyageIslam youre just ignorant. you cant refute it so you start being arrogant about it. im saying to look at it as an ACT. mohammed was still a pedophile. if you have sex with a child then you are a pedophile. end of. law and morality is irrelevant. obviously thats too much for you to comprehend
@Hazy992 "youre just ignorant" notice the generic ad hominem typically used as a retort of last resort when there is no academic retreat by the accuser.
If you are saying the ACT was MORALLY WRONG then you must present a president originating in 7th century Arabian culture OR you must present a social or religious LAW VIOLATED of THAT TIME.
@VoyageIslam youre strawmannig the hell out of my argument. i didnt say it was morally wrong. i just said that he was a pedophile. i didnt make any judgement on his conduct or his character. i just said he committed an act. its completely different.
@Hazy992 Are you saying that Western 2010 laws are universal and applicable to Arabia 1400 years ago? The word pedophile is a Westen terminology derived from the Greek word Pederast which actually referred to the "boy lovers" of Athens not married men. The word pedophile itself did not exist in the Arabic language hence it could not possibly be applicable without transcending time and space.
@VoyageIslam i didnt say that at all. youre just employing the strawman fallacy yet again. im not talking about the crime of pedophilia, im talking about the act of pedophilia. im not trying to apply the laws of today to mohammed. im just saying what he did. how is that so hard for you to understand?
@VoyageIslam again with the strawman fallacy. i didnt say at any point that any moral or social standard had been violated, i merely pointed out what he DID. until you have a serious argument against what i actually said, and not what you like to pretend i said, im not going to debate with you anymore.
@Hazy992 You accused him of pedophilia a term that did not exist in ancient Arabia it's like accusing him of being retro. Btw I challenged you to give me an applicable law or social standard he violated. If you can not do this in the next three post this covo is over.
@VoyageIslam fine by me. i dont want to argue anymore with someone who's as arrogant and stubborn as you anyway. and just because the term pedophilia didnt exist back then doesnt mean he wasnt one. they thought the earth was flat back then, but that doesnt make it correct.
@Hazy992 Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious. For in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are..
BTW Muslims never taught the earth was flat that was Europe. You still did not present one law or moral code of his time that was broken. STRIKE ONE!
@VoyageIslam straw man - ''an argument that is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.'' i didnt say he violated any moral code of the 7th century and you damn well know i didnt.
and all this 'STRIKE ONE!' business shows how arrogant and pathetic you actually are. how about i go one better; this conversation is over. NOW. youre an idiot and i dont want to debate with anyone so misguided and downright foolish. goodbye
@Hazy992 I am not making an argument and if he violated no moral code what is your objection? STRIKE TWO! Please provide an APPLICABLE moral social or religious code of conduct the MARRIAGE between Muhammad and Ayesha violated.
@Jason442200 I am saying Muhammad did not need an excuse because he violated no moral or social standards of his time and only a simpleton would be foolish enough to apply 21st century Western standards to ancient Arabia. If you nwant to apply yesterday's standards to today then stop calling America which has KIDNAPPED MORE slaves than any other country in history "THE LAND OF THE FREE." Usage of the term "Mo" gets you blocked J.J.
@VoyageIslam I don't think Jason442200 ever said he thought america was the "LAND OF THE FREE", I just looked at his page and it shows he's from canada like me and most canadian's view america as the most barbaric of the first worlds. You really don't have to put words in other people mouths to get your point across ya know.
@TheBCBuddha Canada was built on the same Native American genocide as America. How many little Native girls were raped on the land you happily squat on?
@VoyageIslam Exactally, I agree with you fully.Thats why I'm all for native american land rights and the breaks they get in this country. We're only one step ahead of america but still pretty bad. Whats your point? That everyone other than natives who live in the americas should just get out?
@TheBCBuddha We are way off subject but I have a question about your remark concerning people in the America's getting out. Why should the Jews be given Palestine and the Native American's who have far more right to America than any Jew has to Israel get nothing? Just asking.
@VoyageIslam Yes, we are way off topic lol. But I don't understand what you mean by "nothing", Natives in Canada (I don't know the situation in the US) don't pax taxes, recieve band dues, free health care, free university educations, and many many other benefits. As for Isreal, I think they have to look at this and try for the same thing. As far as I can tell the jews have every right to be there AS do the Palestinian people, they just need to be able to live together like pre-WW2.
@TheBCBuddha If a person broke into your home told you you are free to live in 10% of your house and the other 90% is theirs would it be just if they said: "but the good part is you do not have to pay me." The Jews my have a right to be there but what about the Zionist European neo-colonial government? Pre WW2 there were no European Jews in Israel. Why can a Jew from anywhere in the world own land in Israel yet Palestinians who were born there can not?
@VoyageIslam I'm not saying it's right that Jews have full control over the land but they have just as much right to live there as Palastinie people. I agree the system is flawed but the answer is not one group leaving, the answer is to live together equaly. If a muslim can look at another muslim in another country and call him brother, why can't a Jewish person do the same? I don't see this splitting of jews as european or other and thats why they were sent there, to be with thier brothers.
@TheBCBuddha Islam and Zionism are not the same. Islam does not claim racial superiority. If Jews deserve Israel (even though they are not Israeli but European) why don't Cherokee deserve America? And why does a wealthy country like Israel recieve more American aid than all of Africa?
What law did he break in the 7th century??? How about moral law of not sleeping with a child. Christian child molestors are WRONG, Jewish child molestors are WRONG, Muslim child molestors are WRONG, Atheist child molestors are WRONG. Do you think being in the 7th century made the pain any less for the children because it was "socially acceptable". I'm sorry but mohammad asside, anyone at anytime who sleeps with a child is performing an unmoral act regardless if a court says its ok.
@Jason442200 What moral law are you reffing to? Either site a moral law of his time that is applicable or give me a religious or social edict from that period that is applicable.
@VoyageIslam Would you be willing to give your 5 year old daughter over to a 55 year old man to have his way with?? I'm sorry, but rape 2000 years ago is still rape. I don't need to give any sort of law to prove that raping a kid was ok at one time but not now. Do on to others as you would have done onto you, I don't think anyone would want to be married off at 5 and raped at 9, do you?
@Jason442200 I do not deal in the hypothetical but in America there is a higher rate of young pregnancies of young girls and a lower rate of marriage than in Muslim countries. To prove rape you would have to prove his marriage was invalid which you have not done.
@Jason442200 why do you automatically assume that marriage = sex thus she was raped? the prophet had enough wives to fulfill his sexual needs he didnt need to marry a young girl for his sexual needs. He was inlove with his first wife and after he lost his wife all his "marriages" were due to social/political reasons.
@VoyageIslam Also, I'm sure you would agree with me that marrying and sleeping with a child these days is wrong. But why would a god let people believe that it's fine then but not now? Why couldn't he have just said back then that it's wrong and not to do it? This lack of foresight in a supposed all knowing god is just one of several flaws in religions which lead me to believe that any god is just the imagination of men, a real all knowing/loving god would never condone a child to be raped
@Jason442200 Did God say in any religion that girl may marry only after 18 years old ? Human laws do not accept marriage before 18 years old but what does say God laws ? If God fobids it prove it , thats what is asking OP.
@VoyageIslam the age of consent is irrelevant. he still committed the ACT of pedophilia, even if it wasnt a crime then. if i killed someone but that wasnt a crime, it would still make me a killer.
and its not like consent is that relevant in a lot of muslim marriages is it?
@GaBB0256 Pedophillia a a preference for small children Muhammad married only one so that does not constitute the clinical definition of pedophilia and to judge it a perversion you will have to apply the standards of his time and locality. The title of this video is the young marriage of Ayesha not "a lot of Muslim marriages"
@VoyageIslam why do i need to apply the standards of his time? just because that was the standard then, it doesnt make it right.
whether it was a crime or whether it was standard practice does not matter; he still committed a pedophilic act, and yes i am going to judge it by todays standards because we live in a more enlightened time and now know that its wrong. homosexuality used to be illegal, but does that mean that im not allowed to deem that wrong, just because its not the case anymore?
Of course YOU do not have to apply the standards of his time because YOU are not Muslim but Muslims must apply Allah's standard's and Allah does not change with the time. As far as marriage goes marriage is a social and religious contract. The Prophet Muhammad married 9 women of different races and backgrounds there is no verse of Qu'ran or hadith that makes marrying a young girl mandatory. However if he would have tried to force 20th century standards on 7th and 8th century Arabs that = war.
@VoyageIslam so Allah condones having sex with children? I cant believe anyone would uphold and support this. If thats the case then, I wouldnt want to worship Allah even if I did believe in him.
And if it's not mandatory to marry a child, and have sex with them, why did he do it? He's got eight other adult wives already.
In 7th century Arabia (as in nature today and most societies at that time) a female child was considered an adult after her first menstrual period. Male female procreation is allowed in the sight of God whereas male on male abominations are forbidden. I emphasize I'm in no way implying that any Muslim in a Western country violate the marriage laws of that country since like I said marriage to a young female is no more mandatory in Islam than sodomite marriages are mandatory in the West.
@VoyageIslam but wasnt she NINE when he had sex with her? theres no way she'd already had a menstrual period at that age. and even if she had, that doesnt make what he did right. youre missing the point, whether it was criminal or not doesnt matter; its still wrong, and if it wasnt mandatory there was no need for him to do it. and i love how you consider the idea of two consenting males having sex an 'abomination' but a man in his 30-40s having sex with a nine year old girl is ok.
@GaBB0256 Her minimum age was 9 when he consummated the marriage however there is evidence that she may have been older and Allah knows best. I know women who began minstrating at 7 years old as a matter of fact in my old neighborhood (a Christian American neighborhood) I knew a girl who gave birth at 11. The point is if you are accusing the Prophet of low morality you need to present an independent source other than a 21st century life style that has made HIV as common in America as ABC.
@VoyageIslam SEVEN?! dont make me laugh! thats an outright lie, and you know it. doesnt allah frown upon those sorts of things? even if that were the case, it doesnt mean that shes no longer a child and consent; she probably wouldnt know what she'd be consenting to.
and whats this about HIV? are you trying to say 2 men who practice safe sex synthesises the AIDS virus? the only reason HIV has been a problem in the gay community is because of bigots like you. i was using it as an analogy, idiot
This is generally a list of the youngest known birth mothers younger than 12 years of age. Three of the 12 entries for age 9 or younger are for mothers in Peru.
Number 1 on the list. Lina Medina ( a Christian) gave birth at 5 years, 229 days Lima, Peru
According to medical science Patient zero was named Gaëtan Dugas he was a homosexual. Just fact.
@VoyageIslam just because they were children doesnt mean its right to have sex with them. why cant you get that. i COULD kill a person, but it doesnt mean I will!
and so what if patient zero was a homosexual? it doesnt mean every single homosexual has AIDS, or that having homosexual sex will give it to you. if you practice safe sex, then it isnt a problem. the social group with the biggest AIDS problem is STRAIGHT, african WOMEN.
@GaBB0256 what moral or social law are you using to validate your opinion? Who said every homosexual has AIDS? My point is homosexuality and even promiscuity have a greater negative impact on society than a socially and legally accepted marriage 1400 years ago. If every African American practiced Islam married 4 women and they were loyal AIDS would be eradicated in their community but promiscuous was superimposed upon Black culture during slavery and we carry it on. Islam is the answer.
@VoyageIslam YOU did. you tacitly admitted it by pointing out that patient zero was a homosexual.
and this socially accepted marriage from 1400 years ago is relevant to today when it was the marriage of the founder of an ideology followed by over 1 billion people. your religion was founded by a pervert. islam promotes violence, oppression and subjugation; it is not the answer by any stretch of the imagination.
A homosexual introduced AIDS to the West? As I have said before the Prophet was a prophet for all times so it would have be non-nonsensical for him to impose your feeble 21st century Euro-centric views on 7th and 8th century Arabs. The West invented every single artifice of war in existence today it is hypocritical to accuse Islam of violence. the West who introduced also the inquisition to a peaceful Spain and a Muslim Salah Ud Din who gave Jerusalem its only peace in the last 1000 years.
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 9.101 Narrated byAisha
Allah's Apostle said, "It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage). I said, "A virgin feels shy." The Prophet; said, "Her silence means her consent." Some people said, "If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him)
I'm sorry this argument is bullshit. Does a sane man mow his lawn when no grass has grown on it? Does a virtuous man have sex with a girl with no pubic hair? Common sense dictates that a child with no pubic hair or breasts is ripe for sex. Did Muhammad therefore lack the common sense that even a fruit picker has, that when the fruit is not ripe, you do not pick it?
Catholicism..Islam have corrupted man for centuries..
The truth is a man named Jesus lived and educated man in morality and ethical behaviour.He was trualy a magnificant man.Son of God ? we know that is not true as we know there are no such thing as prophets or Gods.
If we must subscribe to a religion to refrain from slaughtering each other...then my religion is best..Protestantism for the win..it brought us out of the dark ages and freed all men.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk If you follow Jesus' ethical behavior why do you marry at all? Jesus was celibate. Martin Luther the founder of your Church said to be a Christian you must pluck out the eye of reason.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam It may be of comfort to sidestep the issue and be in denial...but this is only brief as you struggle with your conscience..but the logic of it always comes back to torment you.
Mohammed(pbuh)was a paedophile and child abuser.The tradition of your religion up to modern times is one of paedophilia.
The religion is based on the sexual gratification of adult males and the abuse of females both adult and child.
But !....I do not lay blame for this on Mohammed (pbuh) himself.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk Pedophile is a Greek term that derives from a Greek perversion of homosexuality and children you people see Greece as the cradle of civilization even though they were a culture of perverts. Muhammad pbuh never abused a single female maybe you are confusing him with your Henry the 8th, Dominique Strauss Khan or Silvio Berlusconi or the U.K.'s most famous proponent of womens rights Jack the Ripper who was probably a royal.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam Because we cherry picked all the good bits in the bible that gave moral guidance in how to treat each other and threw out all the rubbish.This is why we don't stone our granny for wearing garments made from two different threads.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk If you can cherry pick Gods word that means it is not his it is yours.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
I cannot name ONE Islamic state that allows freedom for the population to chose their own governance.
Nor can I name one that allows apostacy .
Islam is an ideology...a cult that has oppression as it's soul.
The middle east was once the cradle of civilisation..it has wasted 1300 yrs by decending into mohammadism...and seeks to maintain it's established oppressive grip and export it globally.
Accept it or not but Islam glorifies mohhamed as a diety..In the very same way catholics glorify Christ
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
The problem we face is this:
The Quran is clearly the Bible plagarised....The Bible as well as any other religion was written by MEN.
Within those pages we can have empathy for those men living in desperate times.Their humanity is astonishing to modern man..with many good and important moral and ethical guidance.Of course we can see the bad bits which are a product of their times...yet instead of cherrypicking the good only.We ignorantly keep the bad to excuse corrupt behaviour.its about power !
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
Brother you think you are a muslim...yet living in America it is a fad...a sham.Like the punkrock era.What faction of Islam do you subscribe to for discussion?
They say the proof is in the pudding brother..why don't you travel to the yemen,palestine and assist your brothers.We all know how your muslim brothers would recieve you..you'd quickly be just another black dude dead American.
You wear Islam like a football shirt on your back.
Look what Islam has done in Africa ..shame on you brother
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
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Once again you are way off base. 1, I have lived in the USA as a Muslim for ten years. 2. I have now lived in a Muslim country for ten years. 3,. Most of my friends in America are reverts who have been Muslim before me. 4. Yemen does not have Islamic law. Why would I go to Palestine to for brotherhood every Muslim is my brother.
5. I hate football.
6. Look what Islam has done for Africa. Islam did greater things in Africa than King Leopold.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam Every Human is your brother my friend..it shouldn't require religion to bind us.That is being weak of mind..
Algeria,chad,somalia,camaroon,sudan,syria,iraq,iran,saudi arabia,bahrain,qatar,pakistan,chechniya,indonisia..the list is endless as is the violence.
YOU ARE AMERICAN AND WOULD BE KILLED IN ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES BY YOUR BROTHERS.
I want you to address my more serious post, not the one above.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk Every human being is bonded by genetics but Islam bonds by spiritual unity which transcends genetic bonds. None of the countries you mentioned have shariah as the definitive law so, you can no more judge Islam by any of those countries (especially Algeria which is Christian), than you can judge freedom by the West. By the way I have ready been to both Saudi and Indonesia: have you been to Christian countries like Rwanda, Zimbabwe or MEXICO?
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam Islam bonds by Jihad and hate. Even people of different sects of Islam hate each other to the core. Most Muslim countries have stopped following sharia. Only Saudi arabia follows Koran and Sharia and most Muslims hate Saudi arabia. Last month 15 arab women working for an aairline were arrested for prostitution in Saudi arabia. Go and read the news at emirates24dotcom. You can also search about rape on that web site. Allah is great.
viccram 1 week ago
@viccram You are wrong most Muslim countries have not stopped following sharia all of them have. Saudi Arabia is a kingdom which is a secular concept. You accuse me of hate while you bash Arabs? Do you know Arabs are the minority in Islam? Rape is prevalent in every culture in the USA a woman is raped every 2 minutes. Allah is great.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam Again, you attempt to justify acceptance of religious doctrine within your faith...by pointing out there are bad people in the world.
This is illogical and rather than support your argument it demolishes it.
Historically society attempts to remove bad people which is why we lock them up.
Islam promotes ..bigamy,bigotry,dishonesty, abuse and murder.To argue it doesn't you can't expect to be taken seriously.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk See my video's.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam We are getting there friend.That is why there is conflict.Muslims have an agenda and they use violence to accomplish this.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk Right now the most violent conflict in the world is in Mexico, (a Chistian country), more civilians are being killed in Mexico by drug Catels than the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@viccram Because he wants pedophilic sex. Marriage is a sham. Sex is the real aim.
xactlyme 3 weeks ago
@xactlyme Where your parents married?
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam Any of your business?
xactlyme 3 weeks ago
@xactlyme You say marriage is a sham I found most people who believe that are people who America has tagged by the label illegitimate. The Bible uses the term Bastard which is also a popular term although I personally find both terms distasteful when referring to a situation the child has no control over. My parents had been married 10 years when I was born I am not ashamed of that. How long were your parents married?
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@xactlyme Every decent human being understands this.Muslims seek to excuse this abhorrent behaviour under the guise of marriage.It protects them from prosecution and a death penalty.
They see nothing wrong with taking the innocence and corrupting young children because they believe the Quran ...and the hadiths.They do not question nor cherry pick the goodness within as a standard for moral guidance,which is why the once cradle of civilisation is a wasteland of abuse ,violence and persecution.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk Who determines marital age?
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam Who?.....well, as we know there is diversity of culture and creeds.There is no fixed marital age.
The general consensus amongst civilised and educated peoples is when both genders can be deemed to have reached adulthood.Common sense tells us this is after puberty and usually around the age of 18,some countries set this age in law to protect children.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
Why Muslims are trying to sell Islam to school or college kids? Why Muslims cry if Christains talk about Jesus to Muslim kids?
viccram 2 months ago 2
@viccram Because they do not want the young educated..especially the females.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk Stop triple posting.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam I am merely responding to individual posts.If this is annoying and you do not invite me to post I can refrain if that is your wish.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
Imams and koran teachers also molests kids, just search imam and rape or koran and rape?
viccram 2 months ago
I would REALLY love to get you onto TheJinnAndTonicShow on BlogTV and discuss this with you. You are wrong for so many reasons!
TheJinnAndTonicShow 3 months ago 7
@TheJinnAndTonicShow For nearly four years this video has stood unrefuted. All praise to Allah.
VoyageIslam 3 months ago
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Your luck has just run out :-)
I'll see you on TheJinnAndTonicShow this Saturday then at 21:00GMT I presume? Then we can discuss it out in the open.
TheJinnAndTonicShow 3 months ago 7
@TheJinnAndTonicShow As long as your comments are in context and meet the video's challenge of presenting a moral code(dictated by a religious book) or legal code of that time and region I have no problem.
VoyageIslam 3 months ago
@VoyageIslam Only in your own mind.You speak of logic but lack it.You cite laws and jurisdictions and hide behind analogy as justification for child abuse.Shame on you.
In a lawless land you make excuses for immorality and unethical behaviour.
You do not need laws to instruct you on what a child is...shame on you brother for excusing pedophilia and wrapping it up as tradition.I do not argue that it is tradition of perverts,a reason to expunge it from civilised society and protect the innocent.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@philbo1965uk Child abuse by who's standards? I think many American child stars are abused and none of them grow up with the power or dignity of Ayesha. Yes, you do need laws to define what a child is Row vs Wade attempted to do just that but it failed. I never said anything about tradition I am saying the West can never colonize the past.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
mo did alot more than boff a 9 year old.. he also took concubines from conquered enemies.. says much about his noble character
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago 3
@DarkprinX2500 Islam allows sex with whatever the right hand possessed? Can any Muslim explain what is "right hand possession"??Islam has done nothing for Muslim countries, Just see what is happening in Pakistan and Koran.
viccram 2 months ago 3
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Last year a child marriage case in Yemen made international headlines after a 12-year-old girl died in childbirth, together with the baby.The first dhimmis in Islam are the muslimas. Deep inside they know that child marriages are worse. Yet, to please their mullahs and stupid menfolk they oppose the ban on child marriages. The death of islam starts with the liberation of muslim women.
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
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im not christian.. but islam is worse than christianity.. at least christians don't kill people for insulting jesus... but muzzies follow these hadith here ya go..
Bukhari (59:369) - This recounts the murder of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet who wrote verses about Muslims that Muhammad found insulting. He asked his followers, 'Who will rid me of this man?' and several volunteered. al-Ashraf was stabbed to death while fighting for his life.
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
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The ulema [Islam’s interpreters] have agreed that it is permissible for fathers to marry off their small daughters, even if they are in the cradle. But it is not permissible for their husbands to have sex with them unless they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men.
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
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Fawzan, of course, is not the first to insist on the legitimacy of pedophilia in Islam. Even the former grand mufti of Saudi Arabia supported “child-marriage,” since “the Koran and Sunna document it.”
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
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Fawzan concludes his fatwa with a warning: “It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
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Bukhari vol. 7, #65: "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""From the hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309 Aisha reported: Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine….
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
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Dr. Salih bin Fawzan, a prominent cleric and member of Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council, just issued a fatwa asserting that there is no minimum age for marriage, and that girls can be married “even if they are in the cradle.”
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
your comparing apples to oranges raghead...
islam legalized pedophilia -fail
what those priests are doing isn't condoned in christianity.. although im not a christian myslef.. im agnostic
~exmuslim
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago 2
you forgot to mention that the Prophet is seen by your lot as the perfect example of behavior, which is why there are STILL Muslim men marrying prepubescent girls (Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan,..) Or is that just another one of Western media's nasty lies?
ndamseaux 4 months ago 2
@ndamseaux The Prophets first wife was 15 years his senior so if we are to follow his example exactly we have to marry an older woman for nearly two decades before taking a second wife of any age. By the way Japan has a higher rate of men cohabiting with young girls and do not forget Thailand that has a child sex trade fueled by Westerners. Islam allows no sex without the responsibility of marriage.
VoyageIslam 4 months ago
@VoyageIslam Oh really? Is that why on one of your other videos you said yourself that the Prophet freed all his slaves and concubines? If "concubine" in this context did not mean sex slave, would you mind clarifying it up for me?
Either you are completely deluding yourself about the possibility that Islam was at least in part altered by man or you really and truly believe that God is a hypocrite.
ndamseaux 4 months ago 3
@ndamseaux Which video did I say that and what portion of it? I do not recall ever using the term concubine.
VoyageIslam 4 months ago
@VoyageIslam I thought I read it in a comment in your thread with someone, but now I can't find it. Regardless, can you help me understand how this does NOT contradict that which you call zina?
ndamseaux 4 months ago 3
@ndamsI never said concubine Zina means any form sexual intercourse outside of marriage', as Islam prohibits all sexual intimacy other than between husband and wife within marriage. The word is mentioned in HQ 17:32. In eastern culture it is common sense that sex outside of marriage is forbidden you even find this among Hindu and Buddhist culture but as a person like yourself who comes from a country with a 50% illegitimacy rate I can see why sex and marriage do not go hand and hand with you.
VoyageIslam 4 months ago
@VoyageIslam Thailand has a sex trade and attracts perverts from across the globe.
Under islamic law it is perfectly acceptable to take a wife from the age of 1yr old.When that is consumated varies considerably..however not one islamic country prosecutes if they are married.As you gave mention.
Your main argument appears to be "well look they do it" that is an argument from ignorance.
Regardless of faith,creed it should be abhorrent to all mankind that a child can be taken by men and abused.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
@phil Perverts from your country: the U.K. which also imports sex slaves from Eastern Europe do not go to Thailand for wives most of them like John Mark Carr go there to molest little boys, you know like your priest do all the time. Islam allows a marriage contract at any age but consummation is only allowed after the females first menstrual cycle. Why would any country persecute marriage? Islam does not do what Westerners do or we would not DEMAND men not to take responsibility.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam By this logic you hope to justify your religion...really?
Basically you are saying becausethere are perverts across the globe so it's justified that the religion you follow can be perverse.
philbo1965uk 1 week ago
I understand that you are a convert but that just means you have more responsibility to know your grounds better than the ones born into it.
Dont you think its better to make a solid statement rather than bringing up other topics to give an unclear statement?
Its like your mom accuses you of hitting your classmate and you just end up saying "my brother does even worse also how dare you accuse me if my elder bro is doing these things.."
that isnt so convincing now is it?
Mo0n21StaR 6 months ago
because we as human beings are meant to feel that other people are around us. we should not think of ourselves and feel very insensitive about the fact that other people can hear or read what we say. and as i said again car is a thing. religion is a sensitive topic. almost more sensitive that comparing your mom with mine.
TheLT07 6 months ago
@TheLT07 Every religious script contains parables.
VoyageIslam 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam that does not in any way put a reply to what i previously said :S
TheLT07 6 months ago
@TheLT07 It replies to your seemingly inability to recognize the use of parable and analogy in religion.
VoyageIslam 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam you seem very hard headed :p
good luck ;)
TheLT07 6 months ago 2
@TheLT07 Must be leftovers from my Christian upbringing. :)
VoyageIslam 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam hahaha i'll tell you something i've learnt. Grow where you were planted. IF and only IF you think you can be a better man somewhere else then get up, go, plant yourself in different soil and grow. But if you are going to go and be the same person or (in your case) much worst.. then what's the point of picking up your plant to plant it in another place where it won't grow? ;)
TheLT07 6 months ago
@TheLT07 I was not home when you posted your comment.
1. I am not a plant.
2. I left my native soil nearly 10 years ago. I suggest you do the same see the world maybe that will make you less of a bigot.
3. I do not value your opinion. If you have any intelligible input concerning the topic of the video please substitute such in the stead of sophomoric adhominems.
VoyageIslam 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam 1. You have no sense of understanding
2. You may suggest if you've seen the world yourself. Clearly you have seen no world but a world you think you know. You know nothing.
3. I clearly gave my input concerning the topic. Does not always necessarily mean for. Could mean against.
4. Lemme give you an example of how you talk openly about how we can compare religion and not cars:
My mom's better than yours she showed me life. Yours just made you black.
Good luck in life. You need it
TheLT07 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam A true Muslim always values peoples opinions, it was one of the things taught by our prophet :]
and i also want to mention that there is definitely an answer to why the prophet "married" ayesha but i dont think you have found it yet. research more and try to forget about other things and just focus on the question "why?" you'll get an answer, a convincing one to you and also others :]
Mo0n21StaR 6 months ago
Maybe if you wanna defend something like this for your own religion then you shouldn't compare with other religions.
Take in only your topic and don't bring in other topics. It is not necessary and puts your name down.
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@TheLT07 Would you buy a new car without comparing it to other cars on the market?
VoyageIslam 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam car and religion are far from each other. It is an ok thing to compare cars with each other but it is an EXTREMELY sensitive thing to compare religions with each other. Think logics my friend ;)
TheLT07 6 months ago
@TheLT07 It was an analogy meant o set a figurative scenario not a literal situation. The point is, if you would compare an item as insignificant as a car why would you not compare something as crucial as faith?
VoyageIslam 6 months ago
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Islam means submission to the revised religion of Muhammad. Through the ages many have claimed to have the only true message and/or to have had angels visit them. Before Jesus came, there had been many claiming to be the prophesied Christ. There are some today saying Jesus was not the Christ but they are! The challenge throughout time has been to not just accept someone's claims but to verify them.
A true apostle MUST have signs, miracles and wonders as proof God is with them.(1 Cor.12:12)
fearworshipGod 7 months ago
So man and girl love is koreiorastia or korerasty more accurately am I right? Penetration should remain unlawful with pre-pubescent girls regardless of what then what comes to thigging you muzzies have to explain it to the federal authorities and politicians. As long nobody get hurt it's ok but then it's just a thought.
ShahMashya 8 months ago
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I see the point but then why do some Muslims want to punish (e.g. stone) someone according to a "law" from more than 1000 years ago? Pork is dirty? We live n the 21st centuty now and we have refrigerators and food control now. Telling people to conduct their lives like it was back in the old days sounds also like nonsense to me. To me, people who don't question things and just blindly follow dogmas are slaves.
AsianLegion88 9 months ago
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AsianLegion88 9 months ago
social standard or not your profit is a dirty child fucker ....and you my brother are a sick man to try to defend this ....
BiGorilla420 10 months ago
@BiGorilla420 Another failed comment that:
1. Failed to provide a religious social or moral standard of that was violated.
2. Is blocked for profanity.
VoyageIslam 10 months ago
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Good work brother. I was not alwqays Muslim, continue to attempt to be gentle. Allah(swt) guided me to the truth and I am forever grateful. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge brother. I understand perfectly why the states has young consent ages, they used to marry earlier, due to death rates coming much faster at a younger age. Funny how were going backwards now, you know.
IslamIstheWayforMe 8 months ago
1. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal, that doesn't mean it was right, it means that the "christians" were not following God. And that's the point. You can use "marriage" tojustify fucking little girls, but it's wrong biol;ogically. They are not fully grown, childbearing is far more dangerous, too many died because they were not fully mature. GOD is the question, anda prophet must act in a godly way, not like an animal who takes for his own lust.
squirtgunpewpewpew 10 months ago
@squirtgunpewpewpew 2. Yes, there are abominations committed by all religions, but just because another religion is full of selfish animals, doesn't change the fact that moohamad claimed to be of god, but endangered the lives of little girls so he could get his rocks off. He was no more of god than t6he slave trading christians. Legal? Good, when blacks are again legally made slaves, we'll use the same reasoning. How DARE you complain about what was legal?
squirtgunpewpewpew 10 months ago
@squirtgunpewpewpew 3. As far as people being dense, I will explain something to you that mere animals don't understand. Compassion for other human beings, thinking before we act and foregoing our selfish desires if such can harm others. THAT is of God, but a mere animal is not. Islam claims mooohamad is a prophet of god, then his character needs to live up to that, you filthy ape. Look how far you will jabber on to defend a child fucking animal, in the same way christians defend their own filth
squirtgunpewpewpew 10 months ago
Oh, and the word comes from the Greek: παιδοφιλία (paidophilía), παῖς (paîs), meaning "child," and φιλία (philía), meaning "friendly love" or "friendship." Obviously in modern context, the word for friendly love has changed to mean sexual attraction.
Flowerblood 10 months ago
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Whether or not the law said Mohammed could marry Ayesha at the time, it's still wrong to have sex with children. Or do you think that's OK?
Flowerblood 10 months ago
and about all the pedophiles in the US (and everywhere on the world) should be killed, all are the same(no disrespect to Mohammed) but what you forget my friend, Back then it was okay to marry a child, BUT THATS STILL HAPPENING NOW<-------- NOT 1400yrs AGO AND THATS JUST SICK!!!!!!! whatever mohammed did then (what was normal in his time) but the same thing is still going on and as i write this message its still happening, and if someone hides behind a law of 1400yrs ago then he's ust a pedo
SheikhAltijdGezeikhh 11 months ago
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh I agree with you the West has a horrific populous of child molesters. The laws in the Muslim world are their business I do not meddle in that any more than I support non-Americans meddling in America's perverted stance on gay marriage.
VoyageIslam 11 months ago
@VoyageIslam
I do agree partly on the gay marriage part, only difference being is that they both are adults and are old enough to know what their doing. But be honest, lets say someone goes to a country where marriage between a child and an adult is illigal by the laws of the country, most still marry that kid
But whenever 2 gay persons go to an Arabic country and want to marry, they get kicked out of that country(if not worse), but vica versa muslims concider it as racism *thnx for response*
SheikhAltijdGezeikhh 11 months ago
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh Which society would last longer the one being exclusively and esoterically built on homosexuality or the one where age is not a factor between a male and female?
VoyageIslam 11 months ago
@VoyageIslam
None of them both should be forbidden and let me be clear about one thing ; i dont support gay marriage so in case u think i do try another example, but my point at my previous post wasnt about whats better for society (because both man would work and pay taxes and everything) but its dont forbid something because its not accepted in your culture(wich i respect so u know that), but dont force other people in their culture to accept your rules if you refuse to do the same
SheikhAltijdGezeikhh 10 months ago
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh My culture is Southern American culture, what are you talking about? I embraced a religion not a tribe the cultural habits of some so-called Muslims are just as appalling as the cultural habits of some so-called Americans. Even though my culture is American I reject the negative aspects of that culture i.e. alcohol, drugs homosexuality ect, likewise even though my culture is Islam I reject local customs and Un-Islamic traditions of many so-called Muslims.
VoyageIslam 10 months ago
@VoyageIslam
No offense but you realy dont get my point do you? And you just tell want u want to tell without realy replying on my comment, so ill explain once more; Lets take Great Brittain(UK) and Iran....; The UK isnt a Islamic countrty and it hasnt got a Islamic and Iran is right? Now take 2 gay people from the UK and 2 muslims from Iran and switch the countries they live in.... Now they both wanna marry in the other country (so Gays in iran and muslims in the UK) ..........................
SheikhAltijdGezeikhh 10 months ago
@SheikhAltijdGezeikhh There are no Islamic countries anymore than there are "free" countries. In case you have not noticed I am not Iranian.
VoyageIslam 10 months ago
@VoyageIslam
........................ and wich of those 2 parties has the highestchance of gettin married in the oposite country? The 2 gay people are bad,nasty and not tolerated, BUT when 2 muslims wanna marry in the UK and they would not allow it, you people start whining that its rasism......... and who give u people the right to call infidels PIGS and Jews are even worse? So please dont act like all of you are perfect:)
SheikhAltijdGezeikhh 10 months ago
1:48 so molesting a child is the same as chewing bubblegum? u sick pervert, and yes indeed u cant be cherged for chewing bubble gum u chewed on a few weeks ago, but in the now-a-days term Mohammed is a Pedophile, maybe to you he isnt or in that time he wasnt, but in the year 2011 mister, Mohammed is still concidered as a Pedophile if u like or not...,Adolf Hitler,Klaus Barbie,Benito Mussolini and many more are still called war criminals today but also had millions of people who believed in them.
SheikhAltijdGezeikhh 11 months ago
In muslim world child marriages are allowed thanks to muhamad`s example, like Nojood Ali in Yemen,2008. & Khomeini legalized it in Iran 1979(still legal today).SO didnt broke those time`s law is ridiculous excuse: he made that medieval rule respected in our days. & sex is bad to children´s health, EVEN on that time(thats why its a crime).Not opinion: fact.
Your little illogical repetitive arguments failed to answer that so no wonder you block people who owned u like hazy992. Block me: who cares?
hatebigots1 11 months ago
@hatebigots1 Yes, in many places today a man can marry a female and take care of that female because of Muhammad the woman have rights. In America today a man can have sex with a young woman and even though it is illegal your teenage pregnancy rate sky rockets. I am not going to block you unless you use hominems which denote an inferior intellect not worthy of my attention. If you believe you are capable of an academic discussion please try your best.
VoyageIslam 11 months ago
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And in this story dear children, mohammed is impersonating the wolf from Little Red Riding Hood.....(now read on)....
"Oh my, mohammed - what big teeth you have"!
"All the better for nibbling your 9 year old clit with my dear Aisha"
"Oh my, mohammed, what big balls you have!"
"All the better for banging on your chin while I'm stuffing your mouth Aisha!"
"Oh my, mohammed, what a big peni..mmfffugh gulp mmffurggggg gulp......"
"Shut up bitch, and keep sucking!"
TheProphetMo 1 year ago
Now you will block me or block me after some angry whining about how I say "lies" and "slander", bla bla bla, against moo-am-mad, piss be upon him, probably...
Ignoring me is the less childish answer you can give me. :D
cynicalandskeptical 1 year ago
@cynicalandskeptical Yes adhominem arguments and insults to the prophet Muhammad alone would get you blocked not to mention you failed to address even one point in my video. Goodbye.
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sarathsamal 1 year ago
if you look at it objectively then you have to look at what mohammed did as an ACT not a crime. if i killed someone and it wasnt illegal to do so, it doesnt mean i didnt kill someone.
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 Murder is condemned in every religious scripture marriage however is not mandated by age in any. If you say it was wrong I am asking by hat standard? I gave you the religious and cultural moral laws condemning murder give me the universal moral law that applies to the proper age of marriage.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam no, you misunderstand me. i was using an analogy. just pretend for a moment that legally, morally and from a religious standpoind that killing someone is ok. if i were to then kill someone, the fact that it is allowed doesnt mean i didnt do it. do you understand?
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 This is not Mr. Rogers and I feel no need to make believe. Murder is no more relevant to murder than a apple is to a 57 Chevy. There are several religious and social laws forbidding murder even though the 7th century Arabs regularly murdered little girls.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam you just dont understand analogies do you? you dont understand them, and you dont understand my argument, so you just employ the strawman fallacy because you dont actually know what youre talking about and you cant refute what you dont understand.
i know theres many laws that forbid murder, im not saying there arent. its called an ANALOGY. go look it up sometime
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 If I wanted analogy I would read some Langston Hughes. I asked for a moral or social law that was broken in 7th century Arabia. Can you answer the question posed in the video instead of using diversionary tactics?
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam youre just ignorant. you cant refute it so you start being arrogant about it. im saying to look at it as an ACT. mohammed was still a pedophile. if you have sex with a child then you are a pedophile. end of. law and morality is irrelevant. obviously thats too much for you to comprehend
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 "youre just ignorant" notice the generic ad hominem typically used as a retort of last resort when there is no academic retreat by the accuser.
If you are saying the ACT was MORALLY WRONG then you must present a president originating in 7th century Arabian culture OR you must present a social or religious LAW VIOLATED of THAT TIME.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam youre strawmannig the hell out of my argument. i didnt say it was morally wrong. i just said that he was a pedophile. i didnt make any judgement on his conduct or his character. i just said he committed an act. its completely different.
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 Are you saying that Western 2010 laws are universal and applicable to Arabia 1400 years ago? The word pedophile is a Westen terminology derived from the Greek word Pederast which actually referred to the "boy lovers" of Athens not married men. The word pedophile itself did not exist in the Arabic language hence it could not possibly be applicable without transcending time and space.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam i didnt say that at all. youre just employing the strawman fallacy yet again. im not talking about the crime of pedophilia, im talking about the act of pedophilia. im not trying to apply the laws of today to mohammed. im just saying what he did. how is that so hard for you to understand?
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 What moral or social standard of 7th century Arabia was violated?
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam again with the strawman fallacy. i didnt say at any point that any moral or social standard had been violated, i merely pointed out what he DID. until you have a serious argument against what i actually said, and not what you like to pretend i said, im not going to debate with you anymore.
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 You accused him of pedophilia a term that did not exist in ancient Arabia it's like accusing him of being retro. Btw I challenged you to give me an applicable law or social standard he violated. If you can not do this in the next three post this covo is over.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam fine by me. i dont want to argue anymore with someone who's as arrogant and stubborn as you anyway. and just because the term pedophilia didnt exist back then doesnt mean he wasnt one. they thought the earth was flat back then, but that doesnt make it correct.
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious. For in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are..
BTW Muslims never taught the earth was flat that was Europe. You still did not present one law or moral code of his time that was broken. STRIKE ONE!
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam straw man - ''an argument that is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.'' i didnt say he violated any moral code of the 7th century and you damn well know i didnt.
and all this 'STRIKE ONE!' business shows how arrogant and pathetic you actually are. how about i go one better; this conversation is over. NOW. youre an idiot and i dont want to debate with anyone so misguided and downright foolish. goodbye
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 I am not making an argument and if he violated no moral code what is your objection? STRIKE TWO! Please provide an APPLICABLE moral social or religious code of conduct the MARRIAGE between Muhammad and Ayesha violated.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam fuck off, you moron.
Hazy992 1 year ago
@Hazy992 Thank you for your less than academic attempts. STRIKE THREE!
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
All I have to say is "I will not cast my pearls before Swine" and "I will not waste my time on those who are mockers and scoffers."
TheCinderella29 1 year ago
@Jason442200 I am saying Muhammad did not need an excuse because he violated no moral or social standards of his time and only a simpleton would be foolish enough to apply 21st century Western standards to ancient Arabia. If you nwant to apply yesterday's standards to today then stop calling America which has KIDNAPPED MORE slaves than any other country in history "THE LAND OF THE FREE." Usage of the term "Mo" gets you blocked J.J.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam I don't think Jason442200 ever said he thought america was the "LAND OF THE FREE", I just looked at his page and it shows he's from canada like me and most canadian's view america as the most barbaric of the first worlds. You really don't have to put words in other people mouths to get your point across ya know.
TheBCBuddha 1 year ago
@TheBCBuddha Canada was built on the same Native American genocide as America. How many little Native girls were raped on the land you happily squat on?
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam Exactally, I agree with you fully.Thats why I'm all for native american land rights and the breaks they get in this country. We're only one step ahead of america but still pretty bad. Whats your point? That everyone other than natives who live in the americas should just get out?
TheBCBuddha 1 year ago
@TheBCBuddha We are way off subject but I have a question about your remark concerning people in the America's getting out. Why should the Jews be given Palestine and the Native American's who have far more right to America than any Jew has to Israel get nothing? Just asking.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam Yes, we are way off topic lol. But I don't understand what you mean by "nothing", Natives in Canada (I don't know the situation in the US) don't pax taxes, recieve band dues, free health care, free university educations, and many many other benefits. As for Isreal, I think they have to look at this and try for the same thing. As far as I can tell the jews have every right to be there AS do the Palestinian people, they just need to be able to live together like pre-WW2.
TheBCBuddha 1 year ago
@TheBCBuddha If a person broke into your home told you you are free to live in 10% of your house and the other 90% is theirs would it be just if they said: "but the good part is you do not have to pay me." The Jews my have a right to be there but what about the Zionist European neo-colonial government? Pre WW2 there were no European Jews in Israel. Why can a Jew from anywhere in the world own land in Israel yet Palestinians who were born there can not?
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam I'm not saying it's right that Jews have full control over the land but they have just as much right to live there as Palastinie people. I agree the system is flawed but the answer is not one group leaving, the answer is to live together equaly. If a muslim can look at another muslim in another country and call him brother, why can't a Jewish person do the same? I don't see this splitting of jews as european or other and thats why they were sent there, to be with thier brothers.
TheBCBuddha 1 year ago
@TheBCBuddha Islam and Zionism are not the same. Islam does not claim racial superiority. If Jews deserve Israel (even though they are not Israeli but European) why don't Cherokee deserve America? And why does a wealthy country like Israel recieve more American aid than all of Africa?
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
What law did he break in the 7th century??? How about moral law of not sleeping with a child. Christian child molestors are WRONG, Jewish child molestors are WRONG, Muslim child molestors are WRONG, Atheist child molestors are WRONG. Do you think being in the 7th century made the pain any less for the children because it was "socially acceptable". I'm sorry but mohammad asside, anyone at anytime who sleeps with a child is performing an unmoral act regardless if a court says its ok.
Jason442200 1 year ago 5
@Jason442200 What moral law are you reffing to? Either site a moral law of his time that is applicable or give me a religious or social edict from that period that is applicable.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam Would you be willing to give your 5 year old daughter over to a 55 year old man to have his way with?? I'm sorry, but rape 2000 years ago is still rape. I don't need to give any sort of law to prove that raping a kid was ok at one time but not now. Do on to others as you would have done onto you, I don't think anyone would want to be married off at 5 and raped at 9, do you?
Jason442200 1 year ago 8
@Jason442200 I do not deal in the hypothetical but in America there is a higher rate of young pregnancies of young girls and a lower rate of marriage than in Muslim countries. To prove rape you would have to prove his marriage was invalid which you have not done.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@Jason442200 why do you automatically assume that marriage = sex thus she was raped? the prophet had enough wives to fulfill his sexual needs he didnt need to marry a young girl for his sexual needs. He was inlove with his first wife and after he lost his wife all his "marriages" were due to social/political reasons.
Mo0n21StaR 6 months ago
@VoyageIslam Also, I'm sure you would agree with me that marrying and sleeping with a child these days is wrong. But why would a god let people believe that it's fine then but not now? Why couldn't he have just said back then that it's wrong and not to do it? This lack of foresight in a supposed all knowing god is just one of several flaws in religions which lead me to believe that any god is just the imagination of men, a real all knowing/loving god would never condone a child to be raped
Jason442200 1 year ago 11
@Jason442200 Do not double post.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@Jason442200 Did God say in any religion that girl may marry only after 18 years old ? Human laws do not accept marriage before 18 years old but what does say God laws ? If God fobids it prove it , thats what is asking OP.
tamernator 8 months ago
pedophilia is having a sexual attraction and/or having sex with children.
whether it was illegal or not is irrelevant; he had sex with a child, so he was a pedophile.
if i smoked pot in a place where its legal, it doesnt mean that i didnt smoke pot.
GaBB0256 1 year ago
@GaBB0256 Go to Wikipedia please go there and research "age of consent" and you will see that your statement lacks historical justification.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam the age of consent is irrelevant. he still committed the ACT of pedophilia, even if it wasnt a crime then. if i killed someone but that wasnt a crime, it would still make me a killer.
and its not like consent is that relevant in a lot of muslim marriages is it?
GaBB0256 1 year ago
@GaBB0256 Pedophillia a a preference for small children Muhammad married only one so that does not constitute the clinical definition of pedophilia and to judge it a perversion you will have to apply the standards of his time and locality. The title of this video is the young marriage of Ayesha not "a lot of Muslim marriages"
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam why do i need to apply the standards of his time? just because that was the standard then, it doesnt make it right.
whether it was a crime or whether it was standard practice does not matter; he still committed a pedophilic act, and yes i am going to judge it by todays standards because we live in a more enlightened time and now know that its wrong. homosexuality used to be illegal, but does that mean that im not allowed to deem that wrong, just because its not the case anymore?
GaBB0256 1 year ago
Of course YOU do not have to apply the standards of his time because YOU are not Muslim but Muslims must apply Allah's standard's and Allah does not change with the time. As far as marriage goes marriage is a social and religious contract. The Prophet Muhammad married 9 women of different races and backgrounds there is no verse of Qu'ran or hadith that makes marrying a young girl mandatory. However if he would have tried to force 20th century standards on 7th and 8th century Arabs that = war.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam so Allah condones having sex with children? I cant believe anyone would uphold and support this. If thats the case then, I wouldnt want to worship Allah even if I did believe in him.
And if it's not mandatory to marry a child, and have sex with them, why did he do it? He's got eight other adult wives already.
GaBB0256 1 year ago
In 7th century Arabia (as in nature today and most societies at that time) a female child was considered an adult after her first menstrual period. Male female procreation is allowed in the sight of God whereas male on male abominations are forbidden. I emphasize I'm in no way implying that any Muslim in a Western country violate the marriage laws of that country since like I said marriage to a young female is no more mandatory in Islam than sodomite marriages are mandatory in the West.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam but wasnt she NINE when he had sex with her? theres no way she'd already had a menstrual period at that age. and even if she had, that doesnt make what he did right. youre missing the point, whether it was criminal or not doesnt matter; its still wrong, and if it wasnt mandatory there was no need for him to do it. and i love how you consider the idea of two consenting males having sex an 'abomination' but a man in his 30-40s having sex with a nine year old girl is ok.
GaBB0256 1 year ago
@GaBB0256 Her minimum age was 9 when he consummated the marriage however there is evidence that she may have been older and Allah knows best. I know women who began minstrating at 7 years old as a matter of fact in my old neighborhood (a Christian American neighborhood) I knew a girl who gave birth at 11. The point is if you are accusing the Prophet of low morality you need to present an independent source other than a 21st century life style that has made HIV as common in America as ABC.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam SEVEN?! dont make me laugh! thats an outright lie, and you know it. doesnt allah frown upon those sorts of things? even if that were the case, it doesnt mean that shes no longer a child and consent; she probably wouldnt know what she'd be consenting to.
and whats this about HIV? are you trying to say 2 men who practice safe sex synthesises the AIDS virus? the only reason HIV has been a problem in the gay community is because of bigots like you. i was using it as an analogy, idiot
GaBB0256 1 year ago
@GaBB0256 List of youngest birth mothers
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is generally a list of the youngest known birth mothers younger than 12 years of age. Three of the 12 entries for age 9 or younger are for mothers in Peru.
Number 1 on the list. Lina Medina ( a Christian) gave birth at 5 years, 229 days Lima, Peru
According to medical science Patient zero was named Gaëtan Dugas he was a homosexual. Just fact.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam just because they were children doesnt mean its right to have sex with them. why cant you get that. i COULD kill a person, but it doesnt mean I will!
and so what if patient zero was a homosexual? it doesnt mean every single homosexual has AIDS, or that having homosexual sex will give it to you. if you practice safe sex, then it isnt a problem. the social group with the biggest AIDS problem is STRAIGHT, african WOMEN.
GaBB0256 1 year ago
@GaBB0256 what moral or social law are you using to validate your opinion? Who said every homosexual has AIDS? My point is homosexuality and even promiscuity have a greater negative impact on society than a socially and legally accepted marriage 1400 years ago. If every African American practiced Islam married 4 women and they were loyal AIDS would be eradicated in their community but promiscuous was superimposed upon Black culture during slavery and we carry it on. Islam is the answer.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam YOU did. you tacitly admitted it by pointing out that patient zero was a homosexual.
and this socially accepted marriage from 1400 years ago is relevant to today when it was the marriage of the founder of an ideology followed by over 1 billion people. your religion was founded by a pervert. islam promotes violence, oppression and subjugation; it is not the answer by any stretch of the imagination.
GaBB0256 1 year ago
A homosexual introduced AIDS to the West? As I have said before the Prophet was a prophet for all times so it would have be non-nonsensical for him to impose your feeble 21st century Euro-centric views on 7th and 8th century Arabs. The West invented every single artifice of war in existence today it is hypocritical to accuse Islam of violence. the West who introduced also the inquisition to a peaceful Spain and a Muslim Salah Ud Din who gave Jerusalem its only peace in the last 1000 years.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam wow!!! menstration doesn't equal maturity.. sexual maturity doesn't equal mental maturity..
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago 4
@VoyageIslam i remember reading a hadith where the the prophet says the virgins silence is her consent WTF]
here ill post it
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago 6
@VoyageIslam
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 9.101 Narrated byAisha
Allah's Apostle said, "It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage). I said, "A virgin feels shy." The Prophet; said, "Her silence means her consent." Some people said, "If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him)
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago 4
great explanation brother
2010MujahidBoxing 1 year ago
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I'm sorry this argument is bullshit. Does a sane man mow his lawn when no grass has grown on it? Does a virtuous man have sex with a girl with no pubic hair? Common sense dictates that a child with no pubic hair or breasts is ripe for sex. Did Muhammad therefore lack the common sense that even a fruit picker has, that when the fruit is not ripe, you do not pick it?
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