The non-Contradictory Nature of the Bible and Star Trek

[Antarblue]

So why do Klingons have ridges on their foreheads?

[SimplyGebus]

I think the image of Jean-Luc Picard flying through the galaxy shooting the Kardashians with a laser pistol is the best thing i've ever pictured.

[jippzmcghee]

I want to lose a handfull of skittles in a Klingon's forehead

[chilliziggidy]

how bout the fact that its just a book and its just a show. both works of the human race who are ultimately a species with flaws.

[UDamDirtyApes]

Thank for the vid dude never thought of it that way..lol It was hilarious too. And I have another way to debate a fundi.

[sekulaadam]

I must disagree most of the Christians don't know the Bible e.g Jephthah & his daughter hardly any Christian I know has read the story

[qqquigley]

I'd also like to add this:

The Bible is also like Star Trek because of scientific things.

Recently, there was a study done that showed that going "warp speed" through space would instantly kill people from the amount of radiation. Trekkies immediately responded by saying "the shields would protect us"

This situation is analogous to Christians re-interpreting the Genesis creation story to include evolution, or dinosaurs, or the big bang. (kind of.... - get my point?)

[Zeikid]

@qqquigley If anyone attempt to include evolution and The Big Bang Theory into Genesis, they are contradicting the Bible, and therefore you should not judge God's word on behalf of what some Christians do.

[robaifei]

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

this is in fact a rather strong contradiction. contradiction ......

[h8uall66]

Nice catch!

[robaifei]

@h8uall66 you literally have taken the words right out of my mouth. usually i am terrible at explaining things. you have hit the nail right on the head.

[h8uall66]

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[Cr8zyCanuck]

YES! Go sci-fi! Battlestar Galactica (first 2 seasons after that it becomes a space episode of All My Children). Spaceballs. Sunshine. Star Wars. Star Trek (Next Gen kicks all ass but I like a little deep space (later seasons) and some Voyager with all their fancy new technology to cap it all off). Star Trek Generations, and a little Insurrection, then Nemisis. Wash it all down with the new Star Trek movie and you've got yourself a good night. I also enjoy other genres. Screw creationists.

[esantipapa]

Santiago Axiom #2 - Faith Rectifies All Paradoxes

[soundscapenyc]

excellent video. one of the best approaches on dealing with a fundie i've seen. i completely agree. it's like why entertain the fundamentalist's rant? by feverishly trying to prove them wrong only validates the worthiness of engaging in a "debate". their usual response is that you must be "mad at god."

[soundscapenyc]

cavalierly dismissing their delusional belief in an imaginary sky-daddy stops them dead in their tracks because they have no where to go with you. it's fun to watch 'em squirm. and it saves you both a lot of breath.

[jjason55740]

It's rather bizarre and awkward to me that despite todays Irrational concept of God and religion,If you can imagineBeing a prehistoric man having no knowledge of the universe and having dreams and realizing that they have a mind and realize that others are likeYouThatYouWould inevitablyBelieveYourDreamsAre­TheSpiritWorldAndMistakeThereI­nstinctToLiveAnotherDayWithFan­tasies ofLivingForever.ItWouldOfBeenT­heOnlyWay a man of no knowledge to keep his egomind from going haywire and lose the will toGoOn.

[jjason55740]

I didn't know that wolverine the xman had an atheist youtube channel .

[h8uall66]

Hahaha! Um, thank you? I enjoyed this comment, even if you did mean it as a bit of a joke.

[paul95340]

Well Said!

[h8uall66]

I'm actually not 100% sure of that statement. I actually think that some theists are truly faithful and need no justification. I think faith is silly, but I don't think that they are being dishonest. But that's just me, perhaps I am in error.

[jjason55740]

dishonest to themselves but in a unintentional and meaningful way.

[h8uall66]

Well don't get me wrong, I do feel that those same people only believe what they do because deep down, they want it to be true. But the ones that say "I just have faith" and do not try to justify that faith, while I disagree with them, I do feel that they are being more honest. It is the theist that tries to misuse philosophy and science that I really feel is being dishonest. I think that those are the people that have recognized a flaw in their beliefs, and are trying to justify them.

[jjason55740]

Well i somewhat Agree but I think that since everyone else is in to the god thing they already "know" god exist . And they erroneously come to a seeming logical conclusion that belief itself creates fact because there alreadyTaughtThatThisWorld isn'tTheOneRooted inReality (rather the other one is) SoThereBelief inGod-afterlifeCreatesSuchProf­oundEmotionalResponseThatTheyF­eelThePresenceOfGod but can't understand that this "presence" they feel is there evolutionary instinct to yearnFSomethingBetter

[Ripley747]

2 remarks - 1st, I love your analogy of Star Trek. btw, I prefer GalaxyQuest myself;). It's very true what you are saying and I've found myself "justifying" inconsistancies in the past.

2nd, I don't think faith is silly. Dawkins has a good point when he said there's no sense in believing in something when there's no proof, but faith can be useful. Specifically when it relates to confidence.

[Dhorpatan]

Woah, this video was rated a solid five stars? Impressive.

[h8uall66]

Not sure if that was a compliment or just a question, but thank you just the same Dhorpatan.

[imperialbaroque]

Good points and interesting video!

[Shigren]

great vid! favorited

[TheOats]

You sir just got a new subscriber.

[Eastmanarium]

you've come across Christians who say the Bible isn't contradictory, and that it's evidence of god? Lucky! That would be an easy - and fun - one to take down.

I got one a week or so ago who said DNA and linguistics' use with it is evidence. I basically had to give up because I had to assume he had a severe learning disability.

[h8uall66]

Yeah, I've heard that one too. I blame the scientists. If they were not so interested in dumbing down molecular biology by using words like "code" and "language", I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have to deal with this argument.

[h8uall66]

By the way, any idea why I am getting so much traffic right now?

[Eastmanarium]

Because being an atheist on youtube is traffic gold?

That's why I started my channel.

[TaurusCanser]

You have a friend... ProMTH.

Keep up the good work.

[lipoicacid]

prfmth

[xxxchaindrive]

I don't know what any of you people are talking about. The future, as depicted by the series Firefly, is one that makes much more sense than anything else. What with an over-reaching, intrusive government, that creates a whole race of cannibalistic berserkers, then tries to hide it while denying their existence.

Yeah, that's the most plausible future we could expect.

[TheAist]

there are no contradictions in star trek, you blasphemous heretic.

[h8uall66]

Well you would say that, because you're a Star Trek presuppositionalist! Blakes 7 is the true vision of the future! Servalan is gonna fuck you up!

[TheAist]

Blakes 7? never heard of it, therefore, its not real.

[TheAist]

i looked it up, thats where you get your intro? kool.

[wolfwing1]

Well I use the argument more because I do think that contradictions go a long way to show problems with the bible, after allsome are pertenant to the stories like who was Joseph's father, when was Jesus born among others.

[h8uall66]

I do see the point and value of that type of discussion, but I am really only addressing the argument of "There are no contradictions in the Bible, therefore it must have been divinely inspired, therefore there is a God." That argument is simply a logical train wreck.

[wolfwing1]

Now Muslims are really in trouble more so then CHristians as a early copy of the koran was found recently lacking any of the markings over various letters wich can change the meaning of a word, and some of the words used in the koran can have like 4-5 different meanings depending on the charecters used, so how do they know wich of the various words are correct?

[LittleTruckingBozo]

Actually us ST fans knew the history behind the Klingons long before the show explaining it to you you heathens. Just like we know V'ger is how the Borg got started. So how dare you even think there is a contradiction in star trek.

[gCuezy]

This video was awesome... you're hilarious. I may respond to this in the future. While I agree with most of your points I might have 'something' interesting to say.

[Eviecats]

LOL skittles! I love this anology, please. keep up the good fight! (I mean work)

[dave28lax]

Jean-Luc isn't real? Next thing you're gonna try and tell us there's isn't a space station called Babylon 5. Pish, tosh, and nonsense I say.

[whitefox998]

ST:Enterprise sucked!

Good video though.

[thorntizzle]

Shit, this video rules.

[Khronofox]

Right on the money. Usually, I will list some contradicions AFTER I explain the error in their logic. Awesome vid.

[Neilsama]

I always find it hilarious when fundies insist that not only are there no contradictions but that the lack of contradictions can only be indicative of a divine author.

First of all, the premise is just hilariously naive. Second, even if such a version of the Bible existed, I would happily suggest that having 2000 years to get the kinks out would certainly account for that as well.

But when they say there are no contradictions, it's just them tossing the ol' gauntlet. Dick-waving, basically.

[Neilsama]

A while back, I wrote an article on Ex-Christian (dot) net, that basically had the same premise, only I used the Star Wars universe. Mainly I had focused on a line from Return Of The Jedi, where Leia speaks about remembering her "real mother". Clearly, in 1983, she was talking about he birth mother, but since Padme died giving birth, this line has been retconned. (poorly)

The Parsec thing is another bad retcon.

[Neilsama]

Vogter 2100

I had one of those when I was a kid. The graphics were terrible.

[Paytience3721]

Actually, the first thing I would do is explain very slowly How multiple Books, written over a few hundred years, can be compiled so that they don't contradict each other. (though the bible does)

Especially, that all these books are being read

by other Authors. Because, I think that would be kinda of an important point.

You know, not so much the contradictions, but the fact that those who perpetuated the Bible are fraudulent as fuck.

I mean, I'm religious...But still,

Just Saying...

[JefferyMcLean]

Doctor Who has no contradictions, this proves time lords are real and the 1960 police boxes are actually time machines.

(starts ignoring all logic and reason) I'm allowed to be childish once in a while so sayth the Doctor (Tom Baker era)

[Killersepp]

BTW, your line of reasoning reminds me of this:

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[WizardJim]

Funnily enough, I call this kind of stuff "Optic Blast Theology". The eye-blasts from Cyclops the X-Man has two explanations; the first is that his body stores up solar energy and his eyes focus it into lasers, the other is that his eyes are portals into another universe filled with non-Einsteinean particles. Both ideas are supported by thecomics and *both have contradictions*. Needless to say, this results in some MAJOR retconning from the X-Men fans.

[WizardJim]

Oh, and Babylon 5 is infallible. Anyone who questions the word of J. Michael Straczynski is a filthy heretic.

[Killersepp]

Indeed. It should also be noted that any such Heretic will invoke the burning anger of Harlan Ellison - and believe me guys, you DON'T want Mr. Ellison to be angry!

[Killersepp]

Aaah, the infamous forehead issue. It was handled really well (i.e., they made fun of it) in the hillarious DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations".

But when I watched those retcon episodes of Enterprise... I finally realized (as if Voyager wasn't enough..) that Star Trek was dead, and that it's propably for the best.

Oh well. Babylon 5 wipes the fucking floor with each and every Star Trek show anyway ;-)

[freethinker3161]

agreed , we in all things we really love try to discount in our minds the things that are bad or make something look bad, i just wish Christians would take them head on. they completely ignore the contradictions, and don't answer the objections. it's annoying.

[JBSauce]

So Christianity is a retcon of Judaism.

[EziekielNightwind]

And Islam is a retcon of Christianity.

[dataloreforever]

Picard isn't real?

[Jermbot15]

Speaking as a trekkie, I'm gonna have to say that we do it better. Our retcons have phasers, disrupters, hot green alien chicks and are far more entertaining.

With the exception of one instance of twin donkey surfing, I can't think of a single fulfilled Jesus prophecy that's half as interesting as Enterprise.

[SofaKingLoaded]

Damn that was funny..

To think that silly argument holds water you'd have to be..

Krazie.

[KnownNoMore]

The bible is actually more incoherent than the legend of zelda timeline.

[tooltime9901]

how dare you blaspheme against Jean Luc Picard!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnownNoMore]

pfff, what a bald retard

Am I going to burn on planet klingon now?

[932016]

Qo'noS m8. its called Qo'noS. lol

[themanwhoknew]

They can interpret the Bible in anyway they want.

That's why I laugh when I hear someone say "Science and Religion can go hand in hand." All they're doing is taking knowledge discovered by science and then moulding their beliefs around.

OR they'll mould the knowledge around their beliefs.

Either way, they can distort the former and latter all they want.

And the new movie was awesome.

[932016]

The only difference is that we fanboys know what we are doing. It can be pointed out to us and we will say "we know we added the reason why some jedi have different coloured lightsabers later on" at least you can do that with me... fundies will never admit to that.

"it doesn't prove that jean luc picard is flying around the galaxy blasting the shit out of cardassians" LMAO! Tell me you didn't just come up with that on the spot. That was awesome.

[Rithrandil]

"The fulfilled prophecies of Jesus? Those were retcons, guys!"

That's the best fucking line I've ever heard. Can I steal that from you for use in day to day conversation?

[Danmill23]

Nice insight man!

[JustaEropeanGuy]

Fuck this I'm a 7th day superman-ian. The comics are evident of the truth of my belief.

[Saukko31]

One more "why didn't I thought that" -moment. Brilliant.

[h8uall66]

You simply were not in the BlogTV room with Vogter2100 and I. Had you been, no doubt his story would have inspired the same epiphany. You're incredibly sharp, but sometimes, even a dumb ex-Marine like myself just gets lucky and is in the right place at the right time.

[Hockeygod98]

I have to second Saukko31's comment. I've never actually done the "Wrong! Here are some contradictions in the Bible" thing, but I probably would have ...until now. It's like the end of the Tommyknockers, when the aliens are beside themselves and their selective stupidity when they're told they could've used much more efficient AC power lines for energy instead of batteries.

[metalorg]

They addressed the Klingon forehead thing on a throwback episode of DS9 where Worf implies the answer is a Klingon secret while the characters time travel visit the tribble episode of the 1960s show.

I know this fact -and- also have had intercourse before!

[h8uall66]

HAHAHAHAHA! BEST comment so far!

[TrenchantAtheist]

Ah, a flaw in the analogy: Capt. Picard wasn't said to have been flying around the galaxy *now* -- it hasn't happened yet because it is a prophecy! And as the movie "Star Trek Generations" showed, we should all be expecting the second coming of Kirk! It'll happen in a few millennia, you just have to have faith!

But yeah, the Bible is totally bullshit.

[h8uall66]

You son of a bitch! How DARE you assert that Star Trek is not a prophecy of the future! When Picard comes he will know of your lack of faith and deny you all holodeck rights!

[TrenchantAtheist]

To the contrary, Star Trek IS a prophecy of the future! You just won't know it until "then" is "now" ... like in Spaceballs, when they had to hit fast forward to see themselves on the yet-unreleased copy of "Spaceballs: The Movie" (prophecy: digital piracy) Damn you, Dark Helmet!

[h8uall66]

Oh my Federation of Planets, Worf is so gonna punish you for your heresy as soon as he's born! I pray to Kirk that you find the Prime Directive before the Khitomer Accords are established.

[TrenchantAtheist]

Pah, your resistance is futile. The Q have prayed to me for your forgiveness (Jesus assured me as much)

[h8uall66]

Oh shit, Q! That's what I should have been talking about, not Picard! Damn you TrenchantAtheist! Damn you!

[JefferyMcLean]

You Treckers will burn in the vortex for denying the one true doctor.

[TingTang1234567]

Who would win; The Jews Vs. Bajorans?

[DrSim0nSayz]

They would both get their ass kicked by the Cardassians.

[Killersepp]

Both lose as the spectre of heavy-handed analogies takes over the Galaxy!

As a German I am, by the way, outright *offended* by being represented by the Cardassians - *we* never had the Jem'Hadar on our side!!!11!1one

[TingTang1234567]

You had Russia, same thing.

[XGralgrathor]

So, in the end, the problem is not that these people try to resolve the inconsistencies within their stories (which is, in the end, what science also does), but that they resolve the inconsistencies in one story that is not supported by fact with another story that is also not supported by fact.

To me, understanding of the scientific method seems intuitive. I picture theories as scatterings of facts connected by a web of logical relations. Too bad I have no way of relating this intuition.

[lazyconquistador]

haha, "lose a handful of skittles in", awesome. Is that an original saying?

[h8uall66]

All me, thought up on the spot.

[DrSim0nSayz]

Vulcans do exist! Saying otherwise is blasphemy!

Romulans on the other hand don't exist, they are a myth.

I think;

Trekkie - fan of the show

Trekker - fan of the show and like to ware costumes