first time as a kid when i played mgs2 got freaked and had my mind blown by the whole idea of the patriots and cyber control then i watch through the credits and found out they all died 100 years earlier i gave up on life for a good amount of time. Then i found out they were the philosophers and called bullshit..... i wanted some weird alien shit im sure thats what we were all thinking though back then, still love the series
What is ocelots true identity? Cause in mgs the DARPA chief says something along the lines of "ocelot ... You!... Your....ahhhh!" *dies* and in mgs2 Ames says something similar * I see now.... Ocelot you... Your...uhh" *dies* so anyone who knows who he really is ends up dead, does anybody know
@eyalgracyani889 ..the storyline is actually good in part 2..just many confusing plot twist to try to grasp at first..I will message you a brief summary of mgs2, since I just completed it in the mgs hd collection...I really just hate raiden as the main character but even that reason is tied to the plot of mgs2...
Lainr51, it was probably a person, group or company that was associated with the Patriots that helped Snake and Otacon during their tanker and plant mission in MGS2...
"yes sir kruschchev is finished, your time has finally arrived"
Wow. Try to sound more excited than some guy ordering a pizza.
Only MGS1 on the PSX had good voice acting, I dont know why the quality of the voice acting dropped so much in the others, because many of them were the same continuous actors.... weird.
@FreEfalliSh You were rite about the part that Psycho Mantis just want to kill as much as he can, as he told Snake about him when he died, btw Ocelot got a perfect cover just like he had during the Cold War days (triple-agent), so...even Psycho Mantis wouldnt doubt plus the fact at that time Ocelot is in the same unit with Mantis, FOXHOUND
@FreEfalliSh Ocelot's a master of psychology. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been capable of putting up a mental shield, or creating false thoughts and memories to fool Psycho Mantis. Hell, just look at MGS4, how he was able to mimic Liquid's personality so perfectly that even the Patriots' AIs were fooled.
@BLARGHALT "I demand a marrgherrita pizza" "Any extra topping with that?" "Yes, yes, sirr. I want mushrrrrooms and peppers" "Anything else?" "Yes, sirrr. I believe a good meal comprises of a Solid and a Liquid..."
@ffrancistwiy On the first phone call I think he is talking to Breznev, I think that's his name, but he was the one who wanted to rule the USSR after Kruschev, and on the second call he is talking to the CIA director.
Actually, it's the KGB chief, who's name is not stated, but the real-life KGB chief during the 1960s also participated in ousting Krushchev (this is how you spell it).
They sort of retconned the whole Patriots being dead for a hundred years after MGS2, and instead made those 12 the Philosophers. When Otacon references this apparent retcon in MGS4, Snake responds by saying it was a load of shit.
What a great disguise by Adamska. Seems like a beginner for Volgin, but actually a badass. Got him by the balls indeed. Makes me wonder though, is he really inexperienced in shooting his gun in the beginning or is he faking it?
@JohnKiller118 He only addresses the voice as Solidus in TTS. In the PS1 version, he simpily calls him 'Mr. President' in the end. Mind you, TTS was made after Sons of Liberty but, my opinion, the PS1 was better.
@McMullersAMM I know it is Solidus he's talking to in the PS1 version. All I meant was that he wasn't mentioned by name: only as 'Mr. President'. In the Twin Snakes version (because Solidus is the ebstablished character), he is called Solidus by Revolver Ocelot.
Is it me or does it looks like in Portable Ops Zero got revenge against the Director of Central Intelligence for killing The Boss while at the same time of course getting to precious Philosophers Legacy
@kinganddragon he is the founder of the new ressurected version of the philosphers and the one who is resposible for the patriots ai system that rules the world, SOP and the war economy
The Director of the CIA, remember Big Boss shuned him off in President Johnsons office, then his secretary said stuff like 'we could do with somone like him!' well, thats what I get from it anyways :p
i own mgs3 2 times and i got mgs2 and mgs2 substance go skateboarding XD mgs1 rules to i had it on a disc but the ps1 cant read it anymore it really sucks so i got an emulator ^^ yay for emus mgs4 is the best but mgs1 is by far the hardest one followed up by 3 deffinatly then 2 then 4 4is easiest
I think the Russians believed that they had Ocelot double crossing the US on their instructions - but as Ocelot was actually in league with the US despite appearing to have defected, he was therefore 'triple crossing' the USSR.
no ocelot was secretly working for the CIA and infiltrated the GRU ranks in order to steal the legacy and reaturn it to the US in portable ops he steals the remaining half from the director of the CIA and is speaking to major zero saying he want big boss to join them in in creating the patriots he then he and eva double cross zero in order to fulfill the boss's dream witch was being trampled by zero who founded the patriots and eliminates all the original members 1 by 1
I have to say Part 3's ending call left me a little curious, i stumbled around remembering what happened then after a few minutes of wondering what Ocelot said, i just started playing part 3 from the beginning again
regarding Foxdie i believe Ocelot was stating that Snake should die soon of Foxdie (which doesn't happan due to Snake having just enough of a genetic difference from Liquid to not be affected) and i believe he was talking about keeping Naomi under survailance not Meryl. the entity of "Liquid Ocelot" eventually busts Naomi out of prison.
that's just my two sense. i think i'm right but i might of missed a few facts
in mgs2, what do they mean by " there was a name on it, it was one of our biggist contributors." its kinda confusing to me, and also the patriots started in the 70's. how could they die a hundred years ago? some one please tell me
At the end of MGS2, they had obtained information on the identity of the 12 members of the Wiseman's Committee, the Patriots. According to the data, one of the members of the Patriots was a contributor (payed money to help keep in operation) of Philanthropy, the anti-Metal Gear organization Snake and Otacon were in. It is never stated, but it is implied their activities were also part of the Patriot's plans.
The Patriots being 'dead for 100 years' was the twist of MGS2. The later games- namely MGS3- was to answer this twist. The data they received was essentially fake. It did not have the identities of the Patriots. Instead, it was the information on the 12 members of the Philosophers, the group that preceded the Patriots that died out in the 1930s.
Essentially, the Patriots were using everyone in MGS2. They gave them the identities of the Philosophers and passed these identities off as the current Patriots, and one of these long-dead members was a cover to fund Philanthropy and further their agenda.
You mean the 12 people dying 100 years ago? Those are the original Philosophers; the founding members actually. Basically the Patriots are trying to hide their origin, so they gave Snake and Otacon that info.
Yeh, Ocelot was working for the US all along, he used Big Boss to get the legacy for the US, and if that ment helping him then he did, examples include letting him escape at the Sewers and helping Big Boss when he fought Volgin in Grozny Grad.
actually when i herd that i was very surprissed because ocelot had tried many times to kill snake.for example what would have happened if he had shot him by mistake at the sewers????as i know they were not in collusion...
A measure of how gd Ocelot is at his job. An example could be when Volgin told Ocelot to kill BB, Ocelot refused and left. Why did he leave - so that Volgin could focus on just killing BB, not on what Ocelot was doing, leaving Ocelot with a chance to steal the real Legacy from GG (EVA stole the fake from BB, got it from The Boss who got it from Volgin) - I didn't say BB and Ocelot were partners, just that BB was a unknowing puppet Ocelot used to his own ends. Thats my theory anyways.
so you mean that EVA stole nothing but a fake legacy from the undergroynd vault of GG and ocelot stole the real one then???maybe so...i have one more question:at the final cutscene we learn that it was boss' mission to locate the legacy.but it was her mission or ocelot's to steal it????
Yeah, pretty much - If you had millions of dollars in a microfilm, would you keep it in a vault acessable to about 10-15 people who know the code lol ! And The Boss' mission was to locate the legacy and die as a "traitor" at the hands of Big Boss, therefore proving the US' wasn't involved in Volgin's Nuke Attack during the Virteous Mission, Ocelot's mission was to steal the real Legacy, bring it back to the US along with anything else that might prove useful (METAL GEAR !). Again, just my POV.
@xxk3v1nxx Its all in the Metal Gear Solid Database, wich has every date about history, weapons, people, everything from MGX to MGS4. You can downloaded for free on PSstore and it explains all the important things like The true creation of the Patriots, Ocelots ultimate goal, story of Raiden after MGS2 and more shit from Big Boss times, its really cool.
In Ocelots data they explain that he was born in a WWII battlefield, on Omaha Beach, been Joy (Boss) and Sorrow his parents.
The best convo is the MGS3 one, it shows you Ocelot wasn't just being constantly owned by everyone but could play them just as he did in his later life.
see cambell didnt wanna tell him why they wouldnt give the remains of BB, meaning he knew BB was alive or that hes a Patriot!!!!...
The president Solidus didnt wanna give away the remains because he ..what!?? in mgs2 he was tryin to get a list of them so he can kill them fulfilling his fathers dreams!!!
well, remember zero was the one who started the patriots. Big boss and zero tried to keep the bosses legend by creating the patriots. But in the end, both of them were wrong. They created a world that resulted in chaos. Only did Solid Snake know what the Boss really wanted. same with Big Boss at the end. Wanna know what happened to zero at the very end?
So is it correct to assume that at the begginning of this call (as soon as this clip starts) Ocelot is speaking to the strategist, who it seems is Major Zero, and then he subsequently phones the DCI?
So is it correct to assume that at the begginning of this call (as soon as this clip starts) Ocelot is speaking to the strategist, who it seems is Major Zero, and then he subsequently phones the DCI?
i think he's talking specifically to brezhnev, kruschevs real successor and the supposed supporter of volgin. and yeah i dont really understand the importance of it being the DCI... the music indicates its a huge reveal but it has no significance at least to me... please enlighten me!
Nice ! I like it !
baradaku 29 minutes ago
first time as a kid when i played mgs2 got freaked and had my mind blown by the whole idea of the patriots and cyber control then i watch through the credits and found out they all died 100 years earlier i gave up on life for a good amount of time. Then i found out they were the philosophers and called bullshit..... i wanted some weird alien shit im sure thats what we were all thinking though back then, still love the series
Grifballislife 1 week ago
8:03 - Describes the general public's reaction to this series.
lbmixpro 1 week ago
@neosoc Hes talking to solidus
legacyoldsnake 1 week ago
@TheAdvancedHybrid Adam, son of the sorrow
legacyoldsnake 1 week ago
What is ocelots true identity? Cause in mgs the DARPA chief says something along the lines of "ocelot ... You!... Your....ahhhh!" *dies* and in mgs2 Ames says something similar * I see now.... Ocelot you... Your...uhh" *dies* so anyone who knows who he really is ends up dead, does anybody know
TheAdvancedHybrid 3 weeks ago
Was Ocelot talking to Brezhnev at the beginning?
neosoc 2 months ago
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Indefatigable 1 month ago
I noticed that it's Ocelot that mostly talks at the end lol
MaseyDashDisick 3 months ago
@MaseyDashDisick nevermind.. mgs3 ocelot talks... mgs1.. and portable ops? idk :p
MaseyDashDisick 3 months ago
@eyalgracyani889 ..the storyline is actually good in part 2..just many confusing plot twist to try to grasp at first..I will message you a brief summary of mgs2, since I just completed it in the mgs hd collection...I really just hate raiden as the main character but even that reason is tied to the plot of mgs2...
solidusny07 3 months ago
Another phone call that has to be added here is the master miller one talking to zero in peace walker...that was shocking as much as all of these...
solidusny07 3 months ago
Lainr51, it was probably a person, group or company that was associated with the Patriots that helped Snake and Otacon during their tanker and plant mission in MGS2...
solidusny07 3 months ago
he was adam
MrRick0234 4 months ago
it sounds like ocelot is trying to talk and jerk off at the same time during the Twin Snakes converstaion
wdhom 6 months ago
Who was the "biggest contributor" that was mentioned in the MGS2 ending?
iainr51 7 months ago
@iainr51 loyalty
tigreHHH 7 months ago
"yes sir kruschchev is finished, your time has finally arrived"
Wow. Try to sound more excited than some guy ordering a pizza.
Only MGS1 on the PSX had good voice acting, I dont know why the quality of the voice acting dropped so much in the others, because many of them were the same continuous actors.... weird.
GlengarryGlennBeck 7 months ago
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GlengarryGlennBeck 7 months ago
-'' Of course, i'm always at the CIA's disposal''
-''Me Director..''
Amazingggg
Naekeed 7 months ago
1:24 was scary as shit lol
Juvy29 8 months ago
Liquid superior? Is it because he can speak 7 languages rather than 6?
MEGAXSTU 9 months ago
thank you good bye....MR. PRESIENT!
ME AND MY BROTHER'S REACTION: BILL CLINTON?
Morrbyd 10 months ago
... solidus is the president??? -___________-
xxxFEMTOxxx 10 months ago
yess
Naekeed 11 months ago
somebody can explain me whats going on on MGS2 sons of liberty i couldnt play that game
eyalgracyani889 1 year ago
@eyalgracyani889 who the fuck knows, dude. i just try to forget that they ever made that convoluted mess.
blklightning330 1 year ago
one thing makes no sence in the full story..
psycho mantis could read (almost) every`s minds, then he could i by ocelot too.
so why he never told it liquid or someone else?
he just wanted to kill many people as he can?
or because to the time in mgs1 no one tought so far like to mgs4 or the story^^
but if it was so, so what would he do? thats i`m thinking every time when i see the credits-phonecalls
What do u think?
(i know my english is shit, i tried my best with 5years school learning xD )
FreEfalliSh 1 year ago
@FreEfalliSh You were rite about the part that Psycho Mantis just want to kill as much as he can, as he told Snake about him when he died, btw Ocelot got a perfect cover just like he had during the Cold War days (triple-agent), so...even Psycho Mantis wouldnt doubt plus the fact at that time Ocelot is in the same unit with Mantis, FOXHOUND
goldeneyeman 1 year ago
@FreEfalliSh Ocelot's a master of psychology. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been capable of putting up a mental shield, or creating false thoughts and memories to fool Psycho Mantis. Hell, just look at MGS4, how he was able to mimic Liquid's personality so perfectly that even the Patriots' AIs were fooled.
Sanguiluna 8 months ago
I'd love to hear Ocelot order a pizza.
BLARGHALT 1 year ago 28
@BLARGHALT I LAUGHED HARD
WiseTube 11 months ago
@BLARGHALT "I demand a marrgherrita pizza" "Any extra topping with that?" "Yes, yes, sirr. I want mushrrrrooms and peppers" "Anything else?" "Yes, sirrr. I believe a good meal comprises of a Solid and a Liquid..."
EmperorOfTrolls 6 months ago 5
@BLARGHALT I'm not sure that they'd deliver.
TheGamingAbyss 4 months ago
So who is Ocelot talking to in MGS3?
ffrancistwiy 1 year ago
@ffrancistwiy On the first phone call I think he is talking to Breznev, I think that's his name, but he was the one who wanted to rule the USSR after Kruschev, and on the second call he is talking to the CIA director.
TNTBullet961 11 months ago
Actually, it's the KGB chief, who's name is not stated, but the real-life KGB chief during the 1960s also participated in ousting Krushchev (this is how you spell it).
AJ15ist 7 months ago
ffs why are idiots using mgs twin snakes?? have people forgotten about mgs original?? omfg wankers
TheMorrisseyMan 1 year ago
@TheMorrisseyMan I have no idea but I always loved the original MGS ending.
MegamanNG 1 year ago
hey iv had the president by the balls too!
cexpistol2 1 year ago
'we got him by the balls' lol
rj815fan 1 year ago
Otacon: "They're already dead. All twelve of them."
Snake: "When did it happen?"
Otacon: "Well, ah... about a hundred years ago."
Snake: "What the hell..."
m3dion 1 year ago
@m3dion
A load of shit.
Charmolution 1 year ago
@Charmolution Uh... what?
m3dion 1 year ago
@m3dion
They sort of retconned the whole Patriots being dead for a hundred years after MGS2, and instead made those 12 the Philosophers. When Otacon references this apparent retcon in MGS4, Snake responds by saying it was a load of shit.
Charmolution 1 year ago
@Charmolution Haha, I actually didn't know that. I've never played MGS4, so...
m3dion 1 year ago
who's he talking to at the end of Portable Ops?
Maniac50AE 1 year ago
@Maniac50AE Ocelot i think
xXJolppaXx 1 year ago
@Maniac50AE ocelot is speaking to major zero
gronndar 1 year ago
It's brilliant how the WTF ending of MGS2 is so obviously a psych out after MGS3
Lyingaboutmyage 1 year ago
This is 3. Why's it say 1?
Luigi84289 1 year ago
wait a minute... if MGS was hel in 2003 then that means... oh god!! George Bush is Solidus!!
DansukeTheHedgehog 1 year ago 2
@DansukeTheHedgehog lol hahahahahah you made my day
MiLeS123809 1 year ago
Am i the only one that was like 100years wtf!?
Squarehead29 1 year ago
@Squarehead29 no and i still dont fully understand it
COMMcody10 1 year ago
@COMMcody10 They're robots.
Squarehead29 1 year ago
Can someone explain what these ending phone calls are conveying? I played mgs3, mgs ops, mgs1, mgs2, and mgs4 and I'm still lost :(
xxk3v1nxx 1 year ago
t=THUMBS UP IF U THINK TTS IS GAY AND MGS1 PWNS
powerslide838 1 year ago
Without Ocelot, Metal Gear will suck unless Big Boss is there.
christlubas 1 year ago 2
can someone tell me the chronological order of the games? it started in MGS3, and then...?
TheBlackDirge 1 year ago
@TheBlackDirge
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
ForTehNguyen 1 year ago 15
@ForTehNguyen Is that the chronological order?
Diandredofus 2 months ago
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@Diandredofus
yes it is
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - 1964
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops - 1970
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker - 1974
Metal Gear - 1995
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake - 1999
Metal Gear Solid - 2005
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - 2009
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 2014
ForTehNguyen 2 months ago
@quantum460
And in MGS4...
...SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!
It turns out that he's working to revive Big Boss, and fulfill his dream of global conflict.
JohnKiller118 1 year ago
What a great disguise by Adamska. Seems like a beginner for Volgin, but actually a badass. Got him by the balls indeed. Makes me wonder though, is he really inexperienced in shooting his gun in the beginning or is he faking it?
usanto 1 year ago
in the twin snakes is ocelot talking to solidus?
102293 1 year ago
@102293 He's talking to Solidus in both TTS and the original PS1 game.
JohnKiller118 1 year ago
@JohnKiller118 He only addresses the voice as Solidus in TTS. In the PS1 version, he simpily calls him 'Mr. President' in the end. Mind you, TTS was made after Sons of Liberty but, my opinion, the PS1 was better.
sweenyadam 1 year ago
@sweenyadam actually its Solidus in the PS1 version as well
McMullersAMM 1 year ago
@McMullersAMM I know it is Solidus he's talking to in the PS1 version. All I meant was that he wasn't mentioned by name: only as 'Mr. President'. In the Twin Snakes version (because Solidus is the ebstablished character), he is called Solidus by Revolver Ocelot.
sweenyadam 1 year ago
@sweenyadam He was mentioned as Solidus in PS1, thats what I am saying. Look it up.
McMullersAMM 1 year ago
@sweenyadam watch?v=mUm3NhJjuP4 check at 6:20.
McMullersAMM 1 year ago
why can't they have conversations like this in movie credits like when a movie makes it obvious that there will be another movie coming out later
102293 1 year ago 3
Is it me or does it looks like in Portable Ops Zero got revenge against the Director of Central Intelligence for killing The Boss while at the same time of course getting to precious Philosophers Legacy
Hyan36 2 years ago
@Hyan36
Interesting analysis. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
U1timahunt3r 2 years ago
who is zero?
kinganddragon 2 years ago
@kinganddragon he is the founder of the new ressurected version of the philosphers and the one who is resposible for the patriots ai system that rules the world, SOP and the war economy
Beerbottles123 1 year ago
So thats why Ocelot killed the DARPA Cheif they were apart of the patriots.
LoneKGW 2 years ago
there is still maybe a peace walker conversation? =O
sm64no1LOL 2 years ago 2
lol 5.43 ocelot's voice:D
kinganddragon 2 years ago
gow2 rip off this hehe but it was still epic!
Zackdoog 2 years ago
should have used the ending for mgs1
other than that, its good!
mackdee911h3 2 years ago
Ocelot is talking with Zero at the end of PO
guilhermejrm 2 years ago 4
sorry I meant each of these phone calls need..
tybittz 2 years ago
this call really needs a big *DUN DUN DUN!* at the end, dont you think?
tybittz 2 years ago 6
in portable ops phone call.. it's major zero ? and in the first phone call in snake eater ocelot it's talking to who ??
mephislespaul 2 years ago
The Director of the CIA, remember Big Boss shuned him off in President Johnsons office, then his secretary said stuff like 'we could do with somone like him!' well, thats what I get from it anyways :p
rozasupreme 2 years ago
adamska it meins adam shalashaska that is the real name of ocelot
xarzinas1 2 years ago
i own mgs3 2 times and i got mgs2 and mgs2 substance go skateboarding XD mgs1 rules to i had it on a disc but the ps1 cant read it anymore it really sucks so i got an emulator ^^ yay for emus mgs4 is the best but mgs1 is by far the hardest one followed up by 3 deffinatly then 2 then 4 4is easiest
miciso666 2 years ago
yeah on portable ops ocelot speaks with major zero!
PillathL2 2 years ago
Yes.YEsssss the liquid is dead:D
kinganddragon 2 years ago
I think the Russians believed that they had Ocelot double crossing the US on their instructions - but as Ocelot was actually in league with the US despite appearing to have defected, he was therefore 'triple crossing' the USSR.
rockyfan 2 years ago
mgs2 had the scariest ending before
mgs3 and 4 came out
hatchhyjack 2 years ago 5
MGS4 had a scary phone call? Where?
KazuoKiriyama666 2 years ago
i mean since mgs3 and 4 came out the ending phone call at mgs2 became clear
hatchhyjack 2 years ago 2
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hatchhyjack 2 years ago
I love the voice of the young Ocelot.
000666000 2 years ago 29
yup
MetalPcAngel 2 years ago
E.E who worked for the PATRIOTS.
MetalPcAngel 2 years ago
Ocelot must have done a lot of smoking between MGS3 and MGS1...
Kev95682 2 years ago 53
LOL
MetalPcAngel 2 years ago
lol XD
SNAAAAAKEEEE 2 years ago
@Kev95682 His voice was smoother in the original MGS.
The actors tended to over-act or under-act after MGS. In Zimmerman's case it was over-acting
MrLunitunz 1 year ago
@Kev95682 That's about 40 years.
MegamanNG 1 year ago
Wait, Wait, Wait... Ocelot is Adam, he Triple-Crossed, America only got half of the Philosipher's legacy? And... Argh, this is too Confusing!
mrkrabs366 2 years ago 3
no ocelot was secretly working for the CIA and infiltrated the GRU ranks in order to steal the legacy and reaturn it to the US in portable ops he steals the remaining half from the director of the CIA and is speaking to major zero saying he want big boss to join them in in creating the patriots he then he and eva double cross zero in order to fulfill the boss's dream witch was being trampled by zero who founded the patriots and eliminates all the original members 1 by 1
SolidSnake9000 2 years ago 3
That was the best summary I have ever read lol
Osoprincipal 2 years ago 2
thnk u
SolidSnake9000 2 years ago
I have to say Part 3's ending call left me a little curious, i stumbled around remembering what happened then after a few minutes of wondering what Ocelot said, i just started playing part 3 from the beginning again
kekon3 2 years ago
i''l try to answer some stuff
regarding Foxdie i believe Ocelot was stating that Snake should die soon of Foxdie (which doesn't happan due to Snake having just enough of a genetic difference from Liquid to not be affected) and i believe he was talking about keeping Naomi under survailance not Meryl. the entity of "Liquid Ocelot" eventually busts Naomi out of prison.
that's just my two sense. i think i'm right but i might of missed a few facts
GavenRocker 2 years ago
my head hurts
AshOnTheSnow 2 years ago 2
in mgs2, what do they mean by " there was a name on it, it was one of our biggist contributors." its kinda confusing to me, and also the patriots started in the 70's. how could they die a hundred years ago? some one please tell me
tokorev747777 2 years ago
At the end of MGS2, they had obtained information on the identity of the 12 members of the Wiseman's Committee, the Patriots. According to the data, one of the members of the Patriots was a contributor (payed money to help keep in operation) of Philanthropy, the anti-Metal Gear organization Snake and Otacon were in. It is never stated, but it is implied their activities were also part of the Patriot's plans.
MRevelle83 2 years ago
The Patriots being 'dead for 100 years' was the twist of MGS2. The later games- namely MGS3- was to answer this twist. The data they received was essentially fake. It did not have the identities of the Patriots. Instead, it was the information on the 12 members of the Philosophers, the group that preceded the Patriots that died out in the 1930s.
MRevelle83 2 years ago
Essentially, the Patriots were using everyone in MGS2. They gave them the identities of the Philosophers and passed these identities off as the current Patriots, and one of these long-dead members was a cover to fund Philanthropy and further their agenda.
MRevelle83 2 years ago
ya, in mgs2 it was prety much a giant simulation for the s3 plan, a larg set up prety much
tokorev747777 2 years ago
All my characters in MPO hav complete s3 status, ya.
kodac01 2 years ago
snake:what the hell..
jhutorak 3 years ago 2
MGS2's phonecall was my favourtie simply because of Snakes reaction.
WillWildheart 3 years ago 4
these only make sense if you have played mgs4
cooler268 3 years ago
the ending phone calls always leave me thinking
evev13 3 years ago
o i love the supense the ending of mgs3 gives
scarface7593 3 years ago
How does Vamp know Snake?
gohanRULEZ 3 years ago
In MGS2 when he's about to kill him? He apparently recognized Solidus' smell from him. After all, they both are clones of same person.
RRRadish 3 years ago
8:08 When Happened That?
TheKillingJoker6 3 years ago 2
You mean the 12 people dying 100 years ago? Those are the original Philosophers; the founding members actually. Basically the Patriots are trying to hide their origin, so they gave Snake and Otacon that info.
aim1221 3 years ago
3:35 was just awesome
creedaether 3 years ago 4
ocelot is ADAM.does this means that his mission was to help snake or not??????
gerry13cs 3 years ago 5
Yeh, Ocelot was working for the US all along, he used Big Boss to get the legacy for the US, and if that ment helping him then he did, examples include letting him escape at the Sewers and helping Big Boss when he fought Volgin in Grozny Grad.
Cyberpit2000 3 years ago
actually when i herd that i was very surprissed because ocelot had tried many times to kill snake.for example what would have happened if he had shot him by mistake at the sewers????as i know they were not in collusion...
gerry13cs 3 years ago
A measure of how gd Ocelot is at his job. An example could be when Volgin told Ocelot to kill BB, Ocelot refused and left. Why did he leave - so that Volgin could focus on just killing BB, not on what Ocelot was doing, leaving Ocelot with a chance to steal the real Legacy from GG (EVA stole the fake from BB, got it from The Boss who got it from Volgin) - I didn't say BB and Ocelot were partners, just that BB was a unknowing puppet Ocelot used to his own ends. Thats my theory anyways.
Cyberpit2000 3 years ago
so you mean that EVA stole nothing but a fake legacy from the undergroynd vault of GG and ocelot stole the real one then???maybe so...i have one more question:at the final cutscene we learn that it was boss' mission to locate the legacy.but it was her mission or ocelot's to steal it????
gerry13cs 3 years ago
Yeah, pretty much - If you had millions of dollars in a microfilm, would you keep it in a vault acessable to about 10-15 people who know the code lol ! And The Boss' mission was to locate the legacy and die as a "traitor" at the hands of Big Boss, therefore proving the US' wasn't involved in Volgin's Nuke Attack during the Virteous Mission, Ocelot's mission was to steal the real Legacy, bring it back to the US along with anything else that might prove useful (METAL GEAR !). Again, just my POV.
Cyberpit2000 3 years ago 2
basically the boss' mission was not to die from the very beginning.but after volgin's attack the usa decided so order to prove it's innocence
gerry13cs 3 years ago
knowing this kinda makes it sad for volgin since he was being betrayed by everyone who were suppose to be his "comrades"
Scorpino123 2 years ago
who's that talking?
FrozenTrojan 3 years ago 3
I always get chills when I watch these...
aconservative 3 years ago 5
he's talking to Zero on portable ops!
r2roJGzero 3 years ago 4
holy shit big boss helped roy campbell back in mgspo to get out so therefriendsholy shit where wasi when i looked at that game!
toon6town6sucks 3 years ago 3
wait, was ocelot on all of those phone call.
Maplestaff 3 years ago 2
yup he is the one who started metal gear!
toon6town6sucks 3 years ago 8
and what about mgs 2 that was ocelot :O
partycakeboy92 3 years ago
yup there all ocelot when he has long hair except for the snake and otacon one that just messed up the ending for not having ocelot
toon6town6sucks 3 years ago
its like he says on the tanker in mgs2 "i came to take it back"
MorrDoors27 2 years ago
Ocelot is the child of the Boss and The Sorrow.
HittokiriBattousai17 3 years ago 18
@HittokiriBattousai17 Where do you find that out? I shitted brick when i heard that :(
xxk3v1nxx 1 year ago
@xxk3v1nxx Its all in the Metal Gear Solid Database, wich has every date about history, weapons, people, everything from MGX to MGS4. You can downloaded for free on PSstore and it explains all the important things like The true creation of the Patriots, Ocelots ultimate goal, story of Raiden after MGS2 and more shit from Big Boss times, its really cool.
In Ocelots data they explain that he was born in a WWII battlefield, on Omaha Beach, been Joy (Boss) and Sorrow his parents.
HittokiriBattousai17 1 year ago
@HittokiriBattousai17 really was e the son of sorrow and boss...becuz Ive beaten 1 to 3 just not 4
COMMcody10 1 year ago
@COMMcody10 He is, download MGS Gaudi on PS3 Store.
HittokiriBattousai17 1 year ago
The best convo is the MGS3 one, it shows you Ocelot wasn't just being constantly owned by everyone but could play them just as he did in his later life.
butterboy 3 years ago 5
lol, Snakes all like, "Dude,WTFING HELL?!"
Tankman20XX 3 years ago
see cambell didnt wanna tell him why they wouldnt give the remains of BB, meaning he knew BB was alive or that hes a Patriot!!!!...
The president Solidus didnt wanna give away the remains because he ..what!?? in mgs2 he was tryin to get a list of them so he can kill them fulfilling his fathers dreams!!!
and and
WHAT!!!
Mkamalid 3 years ago
Not to mention Big Boss help Campbell way back when, so another reason was because he didn't want to give up his old friend.
20jonysisjustenough 3 years ago 3
wow i just typed in MGS SERIES on wikipedia
shit load of never ending links
AGH TOOO...MUCH...INFORMATION OF MGS! SO MANY PLOT TWISTS AND SECRETS! HEAD..GOING TO... EX-
BOOOM SPLAT BLOOD
AC3Dark979 3 years ago 4
who is he talking to in the beginning of mgs3 call
ditranz 3 years ago
The head of the KGB, I guess
najhoant 3 years ago
who is the one from portable OPS phone call???
DanielmuffinXx 3 years ago
MGS3: Ocelot to the director of the CIA
MGS PORTABLE OPS: Ocelot to Major zero
MGS1: OCELOT TO SOLIDUS SNAKE(former US pres)
MGS2: Otacon to Solid Snake
snkyaznchopstx 3 years ago 6
ocelot is talking to major zero? i thought zero was on the "good side"
triforcesword18 3 years ago
well, remember zero was the one who started the patriots. Big boss and zero tried to keep the bosses legend by creating the patriots. But in the end, both of them were wrong. They created a world that resulted in chaos. Only did Solid Snake know what the Boss really wanted. same with Big Boss at the end. Wanna know what happened to zero at the very end?
snkyaznchopstx 3 years ago
actually if that is in mgs ops then idk because i didnt play that game but if it is mention in mgs3 then ill check
triforcesword18 3 years ago
watching all of these ending phone calls does clear up a lot of confusion for me
outsideredge 3 years ago 2
Awesome video!!!
Lightningx92 3 years ago
how do i activate that codec conversation at the end when snake is talkin to campbell ???
assfuck123 3 years ago
LOL
LeadTester 3 years ago
Posted that twice, by mistake..lol
yuvraj01 3 years ago
Still getting Goosebumps @ 8:00
Grayfoxx187 3 years ago
So is it correct to assume that at the begginning of this call (as soon as this clip starts) Ocelot is speaking to the strategist, who it seems is Major Zero, and then he subsequently phones the DCI?
yuvraj01 3 years ago
So is it correct to assume that at the begginning of this call (as soon as this clip starts) Ocelot is speaking to the strategist, who it seems is Major Zero, and then he subsequently phones the DCI?
yuvraj01 3 years ago
No, he's talking to some random russian political figure. He was still playing the part of a russian major after the events of MGS3.
And cool to see that MGS1 clip. I had completely forgot about that...they couldn't give any remains because he was still walking around.
Chricton 3 years ago 5
i think he's talking specifically to brezhnev, kruschevs real successor and the supposed supporter of volgin. and yeah i dont really understand the importance of it being the DCI... the music indicates its a huge reveal but it has no significance at least to me... please enlighten me!
dsraiders16 3 years ago
mgs2 had the only moment tha