@crashpilot2 correct you if you got something wrong ... where to to a start cult implies exclusivity and stringent rules some muslims commited sins but werent expelled from islam just told to repent also contained diverse background of people aristocrats, ex-jews, ex-pagans, slaves. kill whoever didn't join the cult? response from the quran " there is no compulsion in religion" (the Quran 2:256) also the area where battles shows it was defensive any questions I'll send you personal response.
@ERICKSKIE23 why am i stupid? what did i say? if they disrespecting our prophet, they are the one whos doomed. we have to be thankfull to Allah that we are not like them. i feel sorry for them:((
taqiyya anyone? what a load of bullshit. this phony asshole who made this movie is full of it. mohamad the child fucker is nothing but a 4th century hitler.
AISHA: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down."
---(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)
@SecularOrnina2 i just have one question? did u see one of crims of him? no, so i think u need to shut your mouth and stop telling bullshit. u cant answer anyway
This is shit. At three places in the quran it is said that "islam will dominate the world". For muslims, it is impossible to critics their holy book because of fear of hell and punishments. What an indoctrination!!!
I can understand that human suffering may be behind the war made by muhammad. But it doesn'T make quran god's word nor any un-criticizable. Quran is man(men?)-made and very criticizable.
@nohamajlis who was like..55?And had 15 more wives(and he was a prophet-he is supposed 2 be better than others).Ask yourself if u would like that 4yourself or daughter
@delagrazia The Bible too allowed for little girls being married off as well:
Exodus 21:7-11
7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
@nohamajlis christians follow the New testament not the Jewish Law (the law that is written in mens heart =ethics=in case and 4he who knows not christianity)as Jesus disagreed with several things with the Jews of his time and so they wished his death(and most dont like Him till todayFew believe Him but they are not only considered heresy by rest of Jews but have intense disputes too over that.the old testament is in bible for historical reasons to show the continuity the line(family
@nohamajlis(family_of Jesus the creation of men etc/we read the New (priests and who whishes reads the old too+other old texts+life of saints but we dont follow the old ,while the life of saints are taken as example the Old t.is not)so i dont know whats in the old at all We often call Bible the book (as bible actually means book)of new testament or just testament ,which is in fact wrong coz bible is old+new together but we read +follow the new.
So Jesus was absolute about monogamy+against divorce.
Paul -who is the one who said woman should cover head(not hair) "in church,for the angels" also said man+women are equal before God /are one "and this is a great mystery"(as in mysticism),+"he who knows will understand"
(also monogamy-non divorce but in case of divorce(if which is not good)is better to not re-marry or reconsile with your husband
@FirearmsForumsLive wrong.were not given the right to vote!! till 19 century+ in America ,not in Europe
on the other hand in Saudi A. there is a king till today
u said"This was popular culture"
being a prophet he should know beter+give a good example.Add 2 society something good even if was new as he had no problem in disagreeing with the culture of his time +place in such an imprtnt issue as is faith+God/also culture allowed did not oblige 2 marry a kid / he not only follow this custom but
@FirearmsForumsLive reserve for himself the right 2 marry as many women as he could.(1 of which was war captive).while said others could marry up to 4
Islam is nothing but a Cult made by that sel-proclaimed prophet of Masaccre, Sex and eternal hate with the Jews and Christian. Only a fool would believe a self-proclaimed prophet that knows nothing but SEX SEX and more SEX
All Muslim people read our holy Quran. All this film is wrong. Yes we all believe in one god and prophet Mohammed but other thing is wrong. The person who creates this film is one of the Terrorist people who hate Islam also the person who create this film he doesn't know anything about Quran. God will show him or her Punish meant on the Day of Judgment.
Its still a movie not for real. I need clear evidences that there is only one and one god and muhammad is his messanger. The day sumone proves me that i will become a muslim.
@Sawamiayyapa87 just read Koran you will get your answer. if i will tell u. you wouldn't believe on me. ask Allah directly to help you. he is a great helper.
@mikaeel01 Muhammad was booted out of Mecca for trying to convert everyone. With 70 Muslim families he raided caravans, built up an army with help of the seized booty and returned to Mecca in bloody revenge.
Murder and hate are Islam's hallmarks. Stay well away.
The proof is there but only you can choose to see this truth or stay ignorant and this truth is the Quran. When the pagan arabs heard the words of the Quran which came from the illiterate prophet Muhammad they knew they were divine words. The Quran gives sceintific knowledge on embryos in the womb, the big bang, the fact the earth is round and other pieces of knowledge 1400 years ago
@TheDustpile over 3 billion unbelievers and they are still alive... ur dumb... its talking abt the past and u fail to quote the whole worse which states that if u however they repent than u shall guide them to a safe place...
Pure christian... most probably a methodist... doing all u can to fool the average person... seen alot of you...
The fact that ur still breathing is a sign that we muslim are tolerant and dont care abt what ppl like u talk and do to us... he live on...
@aad966 Another piece of shameless Muslim propaganda - the 'world's biggest religion' crap, though only because Muslims breed like rabbits and the babies have no choice but to become Islamic. 4-1 we Westerners are outbred by.
"doing all u can to fool the average person" - if that's the case then I learn from Muhammad's practice of taquiyya! Under that the kuffar is deceived whilst Muslims pretend they are the victims themselves!
"dont care abt what ppl like u talk" - then do quieten down!
@TheDustpile I've the Quran as well you haven't read the Quran Your another ignorant fool who listens to these scaremongering Islamophobes who preach hate.
Geert Wilders has more than a point, which is why Muslims get so 'offended' at having their supremacist, vicious, genocidal and downright psychotic 'Religion of Peace' exposed.
Example: Islam ordains its lethal followers to treat women like crap.
Paste title into bar: PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAYS KILL YOUR DAUGHTERS!
@TheDustpile Islam is the most peacefull religion on earth. Christianity is one of the most genocidal religion in the world. World war 1 started by christians, world war 2 started by christians (more than 10 million people dead !!!, Heroshima bombed by christians, millions and millions of victims and dead people!
@jdahdaluo World War I began because Germany backed Austria-Hungary's invasion of Yugoslavia. And Hitler's Catholic life ended at 5 years old when he was allegedly caught smoking and kicked out from his religious school. And the Hiroshima bomb was dropped to defeat the Japs and test the device. None of these were done for God.
Islam peaceful? Ask the victims of Beslan, or the bombings of New York, Bali, Madrid, London and countless other places. Ask the Jews who must be killed.
new york, bali,madrid . london what about afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Pakistan, Somalia what about the the third world that continually gets fucked by the west. If someone raped and murdered your family, you wouldn't w\ant revenge you wouldn't want to take out your anger.
@TheDustpile crussades??? how abt the serbs killing ppl who were muslim??
how abt iraq and afghanistan? did u see wat they ddi to them in the prison...
one of the authors of the four gospels was a mass murder may i remind u.. and than wat happened??cause he accepted christ his sins were washed? lol
Bush is a christian.thru his command more ppl have died in iraq and afghanistan than they have due to the 9/11... i guess its justifiable to kill 10 fold more ppl when ur a christian
@TheDustpile Bush clearly stated that it was god who commanded him to go into iraq... and who is his god?? aint the muslim god is it?
And who is Paul? a mass murderer? and why do read his gospel... lol wat the hell are u on abt? contradicting urself there arent u? Muhammed atleast ordered to kill according to you but PAUL WAS A MURDERER and also the author of the gospel which you follow.. how naive...
@aad966 Paul was a murderer who became Christ's greatest missionary. Jesus Christ saw how an evil man could repent his ways and tested him, whilst Muhammad preferred his killers to go onto greater and more barbaric evil.
And besides, George Bush certainly showed up the eternal hypocrisy of the Muslims. You see, whenever these madmen massacre Jews or blow up airports it is ALWAYS done with 'Allahu Akbar' on their lips! But there is NO Muslim bitching about God being brought into it then!
criminals in around america/Europe they put terror into the heart of the public
american troops who are in afghanistan/iraq etc are putting terror in to the hearts of the iraaqees and afghanistanis, they are all the terrorists, coz they all ARE or HAVE terrorised people!
@mickyboy200768 Islam is the most peacefull religion on earth. Christianity is one of the most genocidal religion in the world. World war 1 started by christians, world war 2 started by christians (more than 10 million people dead !!!, Heroshima bombed by christians, millions and millions of victims and dead people!
One day everyone who was against islam will cry for forgivness thats 100 sure and may our precious and beloved prophet Muhammad Sallalahu aleihi wasallam rest in peace I wish that I can meet Him afterlife And pray for Allah the almighty for forgivness people can say whatever they want in the net and movies about islam but they will never do that infront of me I Know that
ما يستفيد سياسي مجهول الإنتماء من سب وقدف رسول الله هل فعلا نحن نعيش عصر الإنحطاط حتى أنه من يرد الشهرة يصيح بالشتائم لابد من النقاش العقلاني بدل إطلاق الإتهامات والشتائم
As any good moslem will tell you, this final is not what the koran tells us. In fact it is haram, total bullshit, for people who have no idea about islam to swallow
the west's biggest mistake was holding back in the war against Islamic states. They should have crushed them underfoot before that plague of a religion got the tiny toe hold it has right now in the west.
They couldn't have even if they tried, God is with us, and you can' extinguish the light of Islam!!! live with it, Islam, will always be here, and in the end when judgment day comes you'll know that you were committing injustice to yourself by refusing to listen to the truth, and instead demonized it.
I love your typo in this one (you can extinguish the light of Islam!!!) and it's appropriate for all things come to an end and this is the same with religion. One day you will see religion for what it is and that's a pile of nonsense. It's sad to see a good mind go to waste, but I don't dwell on these things. Good luck in your persuites of being rewarded after you're dead instead of doing something meaningful with your life while you're here.
I'm not wasting my life, I don't know what you're doing with yours, but I intent to reach heaven by means of doing something meaningful and good in this life, this is what makes me a Muslim.
Really? I would assume that would mean any person who does not call themselves a Muslim, but does good? Oh, that's right You're rewarded for your good deeds after life and punished for doing bad deeds after your life as well. I guess that would mean many Muslims don't do good deeds because they think it's a good thing, but because they want to go to heaven and don't do bad deeds because they don't want to go to hell. Not cause they really mean it. How stupid is that?
Yes, Muslims do good deeds to avoid going to hell and because they want to go to heaven, as an incentive, but they do it because they are good people. But as Islam is a way of life to bring harmony to a society, reward and punishment is there to motivate even people who are not good matured to do good and avoid bad deeds. You're really just being a hater, you don't kill people because its a bad thing, but obviously having a law that punishes killers helps prevent even bad people from killing
Do you mean to say that most people who don't commit murder in a society do it because they are afraid of being punished by the law? Get real!!! I don't have time nor the inclination to argue with one-track-minded people like you, you hate Muslims and Islam, and you call us the haters, and then you become offensive when one tries to correct your misconceptions, I really don't care if you like me or Muslims, it doesn't even put a dent on Islam, the only one you're harming is yourself.
Yes, I can't stand that religion, I find it to be a mixture of dangerous contradictions and a fairytale like all religions. What I hate about Islam is what it aims to create and what it stands for which is one religion under the sun (does not share well with others) and it condones doing this by whatever means necessary. Keep your faith (yes, the one that takes your imagination to fuel) and along with it, stay ignorant for it must be a real comfort to you.
(does not share well with others). Well that's actually the biggest misconception of all about Islam. We aim to let everybody know about Islam but that is where out mission ends. But you know what? If you know you have the right and only way to "salvation" for lack of a better word, then you'd be damned selfish if you want to keep it to yourself and if you don't want ALL the world to share it with you. I'm not ignorant, I'm enlightened , its you who's ignorant.
Oh, yeah, and more more thing: How many people do you think would follow Islam if they didn't think there was a heaven and most importantly if they didn't think they were going to hell? I'd say you'd have a follow ship of almost nothing.
This means that it took Someone not only saying you have to do these good things to be safe, but you also have to be a Muslim as well. Great fear tactic or what!?! Cause it sure seems to be working on a whole bunch of people :-)
What are you trying to prove? You think you figured out the Achilles' heel of Islam? all religion has reward one way or another, everything in the word that is worth doing has either a reward or something worth avoiding. What kind of a silly and meaningless question is that? Religion is worship, you thank your creator for the gifts you have on earth, and you aim for the jackbot. Too simplistic for you? do your thing and let those who believe alone.
Please, read deeper. many people will do what you would consider good things without needing a reward to do so other than living up to what they think is right and wrong. Religion uses eternal hell fire or eternal bliss to convince people to do one thing or the other. this boils down to coercion and getting people to act in this way is wrong in my eyes.
Yes, it does, just like most people who join religions, they have to be told what to do, whether is be good or not, without question. & as your comment clearly states, they also need to be rewarded for this as well which means that if they do do good deeds they have an ulterior motive behind their kind acts, in other words they may not be doing it out of the kindness of there hearts, but more so to save their ass. I do good things cause it's right, not as a ticket to heaven, unlike you.
And even if we assumed you're right, I'd much rather to live in a world where people do the right thing because they are afraid of the consequences of not doing it, than to live in a world where a few people do the right thing out of their own good nature while the rest of the people are going around screwing things up.
What stops people from doing things that are bad is our species. Like all other social species, our success is based on co-operation. It is in the best interest of a member of the species to ensure that others do well so he can also do well.
This is what makes mankind so successful. The ideal morals which we say came down from a god is something which is inherent in the majority of our species under most circumstances & insures its survival. We are one of the most successful complex lifeforms
You can look at any other species which are also social yet rarely attack or kill their own kind. when your success depends on the success of your species it becomes hard wired into that species to co-operate and, although you will find exceptions to this rule throughout our history, mankind was socially successful long before organized religion came about. In other words, we will survive with or without it (religion), but better without for thousands of years to come.
For instance the morality (or lack thereof) of accepting homosexuality. Can you say that this is something all human being instinctual agree on. I for one, with or without religion find homosexuality repulsive, in "liberal" countries today homosexuality is not only condoned but even embraced, mostly by people who are not religious. Is that is the kind of successful species you're talking about? what benefit to society does homosexuality bring?
The biggest question you have to ask yourself is, "Right according to who?" you are assuming that there is this universal right and wrong and this just isn't true.
In regards to homosexuality, I agree with you in that I find it repulsive, but where I disagree is in whether someone has the right to practice is or not. If they choose to do it, that's their business, although I still disagree with that behavior a lot.
And anytime something works against a species, it will be eliminated by some
means or another. Also, where some behaviors only benefit the one person, the others that that same person commits will contribute to others. even when you think you may only be doing for yourself, you may still be benefiting someone else. Co-operation is one of our biggest assets as a species. Our ability to create tools better than other species we know of on this planet would be another one.
I don;t say that people left on their own won't be able to do good, I believe we're all born with more capacity to do good than evil. I'm just saying its not enough. look at premarital sex too, almost all atheists think its totally acceptable, but it destroys a society from within, think of children born to single parents, think of sexually transmitted diseases, etc. So obviously left to their own devices, human beings are not going to see what's good for them in that area.
Once again, you're assertion is that it's wrong based upon what you think is right. This does not make it so. Please show me how a society is being destroyed by this behavior of having premarital sex. Your examples are that of an alarmist and you can see just by looking around that society has not been ruined because of it.
The west enjoys the greatest benefits which our world has to offer and it also has the greatest amount of atheists and most relaxed laws.
Further more, the lowest life expectancies are in the most religious countries and where the most human rights violations occur would be in the same countries. This also included technology, which is something which the west has brought to the world although Islam played a role in re-introducing the sciences into Europe after the dark ages. We have,though, Sir Issac Newton to thank for almost all of the greatness his thinking has brought to this world. He was the catalyst to technology.
Look him up and you will truly see what a mighty contribution this man has brought to the world. Almost everything we have as far as technology is concerned, is built on the foundations of his discoveries.
Off the top of my head, I can probably list more given time to think:
1- Children born into a family with one or both parents missing, and thus not in an ideal nurturing healthy environment, which on its own leads to many forms of psychological disorders
Right and wrong is defined by who the action in question will affect 1- you 2- other people around you 3- the world you've living in. For instance homosexuality although it appears to be harmless it has many destructive effects on society. And if you're right and human being can determine on their own what is right and wrong on all matters, then why is it that homosexuality is increasing in popularity instead of being denounced.
Right and wrong is defined by the individual and where he got this from is most likely from his society. There is no universal right or wrong. It is our species which is still around which is an indication that what we think and believe allows us to carry on. that which harms us (in all its forms) will be eliminated or marginalized if we are to carry on. If it is not, then the species ends. An over simplification due to typing space.
You're comparing human beings to animals, human beings have free will, they have self awareness, when animals kill each other its because they compete over resources or to feed. Your comparison is not logical. No other society on earth resembles the human society.
To some degree I would agree with you, but to another I would say that you're wrong. Free will or the ability to make choices is always there, but I know that people will make choices which are in alignment with their values and there beliefs, which will make people as predictable as clocks once you get to know them and they will eliminate a vast majority of choices in their daily lives because of these beliefs and values without even knowing it. The very same beliefs they took on to benefit
now limit them and most people are so unaware of this that they go about in their day to day lives not knowing that this belief limits or impoverishes them from doing better.
In regards to not being animals, I guess that all depends on how you distinguish/categorize the meaning of things. Almost all scientists who deals with biology (along with many of the other sciences) would strongly disagree with you. I would tend to agree with them although I thought on your lines at one time.
Anyway Abbodine1, I guess its time for this discussion to end on good terms, I'm sorry if I offended you at some point, that's just human nature when we get agitated. You obviously don't like Islam and you have your reasons, I love my religion for reasons you can't seem to understand we'll have to agree to disagree.
Just one point I would like to throw in, is that IMHO man-made laws are mundane versions of laws set by religion, except in the case of religion, we "propose" that they are set by the creator of the human race, and thus by the one who knows better how to make it function effectively. That of course as is apparent is up for debate.
Humanity is endowed with a conscience, but that conscience alone does not guarantee that people will always do the right thing. This is why laws were created, but even today, what's seen as wrong in one country is totally acceptable in another. Anf I'm not saying you're not going to do the right thing if you're not religious, I'm saying you're more likely to do the right thing if you are religious.
Once again, you're assuming that there's a universal right and wrong. If you could provide me with some proof that this is the case, I would love to see it. There is no evidence that this is so and the worst part, if you understood how subjective our thinking really is, is that these laws will be left open to interpretation and will be followed or understood one way by one person and then understood as something else by another. Religious laws can be too vague and are left open to interpretation
I have no proof except for my own experience, right and wrong can be first and foremost be distinguished by ones instincts. When you're faced with a choice, I would argue that there's a little built-in voice inside you that tells you that one course of action is right and the other is wrong, deep inside, you know right from wrong even when you're programmed differently. And I believe that voice is universal.and that the true religion agrees with that voice.
I see how you may come to this conclusion, and this is something which has been proven to be a misconception. If you take a look at the values that one group of people are raised to believe over another group, you will see that the voice inside of them will be based upon their cultures. You are assuming that your voice deep down inside of you is the same one that someone else may have. You may share this with others who believe as you, but those who have different beliefs/values won't
But still, one of the most important factors that actually do make right and wrong universal is the weighing of pros and cons, and benefits and disadvantages of each course of action. It is my personal opinion that all the Laws of Islam when understood correctly carry with them much more benefit than harm. History can attest to that by comparing the outcomes in two different societies one observing the law and another one not doing so in each case.
I can see how you would also believe this to be true. First of all you come from the belief that their is a universal right and you may believe this to be as concrete a fact as the ground you walk on. Although I don't argue that there will be benefits to any laws you adhere to, you must also realize that an individual who has either been raised in a culture or somehow finds a match of values and beliefs with a culture &/or religion he adopts, will also see this as being intrinsic. In order for
anything to have meaning, there must be something which is conscious to give it meaning. I see the benefits of my culture and I measure this based upon certain values that work for me and those around me. I use the template, among other things, of how long someone lives and how freely they live and well they live and also how protected an individuals rights are as part of this. The more people have of this, within a culture, the more I like this culture. The less it has the less I like it.
What you say makes sense, but the thing is things are not this clear cut. There are things that you know are wrong even though they do not relate to anything you've learned through religion or society. Like I said, I know I can't prove my point of view, and I'm not forcing it on anybody. But I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from.
And please, when you're finished riding your high horse, let us discuss your beloved Christianity, and your hypocrisy, Christiants committed and still commit all kinds of atrocities, the prophets of your OT committed incest, mass murder (even of women, and children) they were drunkards, and they stole the money of their enemies and enslaved their women, and you have the audacity to point the finger at our prophet? You know you're just a BIG hypocrite.
As much as you're wrong about me being religious, so are you wrong about truth. You think you know the truth, but you are so far off the mark that it's like a person trying to hit the moon by throwing marbles at it.
Truth is subjective and silly as it sounds to say so, has been proven to be the only truth. All of our experience, which is exposed to us through our limited five senses and then further altered through our beliefs, which was molded by our personal experience is not truth.
Yes, we know how accurate Hollywood portrays history. I'm sure this movie in no way is bi-est and we all know that Mohamed didn't raid caravans and killed others.
well, 1- This wasn't a Hollywood production 2- You say raided caravans and killed people, but you give no context - I can say America nuked Japan and stop there, I'm not condoning nuking anybody of course, but there's context to everything, to pass judgment, you need to know the context, otherwise you're just being being a blind hater sheep.
1- you got the drift of what I was saying 2- He was a fucking thief and a murderer, you know it; I know it and all of those who bow to the Ka'ba know it (the exception being a lot of the western converts sold on the fluff of Islam AKA the religion of peace bullshit) also when you use America as an example and equate it to Mohamed, you are using a country to compare to a man. Mohamed got his own hands dirty in the killing and the stealing and the raping. You also know this to be true cut the BS
Not it's not true. You're just a deluded man - and the fact that you keep insulting him and saying "you know its true" doesn't make it true, you're supposed to be christian and "love your enemy" but look at you filled with hate and lies. You know nothing about Islam, maybe you think you do, but you know less than I know about hinduism, which is to say very little" what you know you know is out of hate and prejudice, that even if you hear something good you'll twist it into something bad.
I'm not a Christian & for the record I would never love my enimy which would be one of things that I'd have in common with Muslims. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not religious. I'm also not filled with hate and lies for there's nothign I've posted that isn't true in regards to what Muhamed did. You're the lyer here & you know it & your religion, the so called religion of peace, is the one filled with hate. Mohamed was a theif, had sex with a 9 year old & all those other things I said
I only assumed you to be one because someone on your channel implied that you'd told him so. No, you don't post complete lies, you just lie by omission (the word lie might be a bit harsh - but if you didn't do your due diligence on the matter , then you might as well have lied intentionally). Mohammad wasn't a thief, he took back what was taken from his people, he "married" a girl who's reached child bearing age, and was mentally and physically mature. (cont)
I'm not filled with hate, nor are the majority of Muslims I know in my community or the ones I'm in contact with on the Net, etc. If you know hateful Muslims please feel free to call them out on their hatred, but don't assume to know my heart and what I feel or think.
Let's see here.... Over ninety percent of the acts of terrorism committed in the world today are committed by Muslims and anytime this religion's made fun of mocked or criticized, you have Muslims coming out in the droves to protest, commit acts of violence plenty of it leading to murder, most of which is not protested about by the majority of the Muslim community which do not commit these acts. Again, you're full of shit.
No, those are the statistics of acts of violence "allegedly" committed by Muslims in a world so biased against Muslims, even if they were truly committed by people calling themselves Muslims, I don't care about those who do not understand their own religion. "Most of which is not protested..." like you would know!! as if the media is interested in reporting that kind of news to you. I'm not full of shit!! You're just full of hate.
Yes, of course, it's all "ALLEGEDLY" committed by Muslims which is so biased against Muslims. Also, I don't only go to one media source I also get my information from the Internet & everything points towards Muslims committing these acts so I went as far as to buy my the Qur'an, & wouldn't you know it, all those lovely little violent verses in there just waiting to be read. My next thing I'm going to do is find the Hadeeths & then get the context of all of this bullshit. So far my hunch is right
And why do you think the world does not like Muslims? Could it be because they don't play nice with others and have rules which go directly against the charter of human rights? Or could it be that they are the truth and they have shown us how to live enlightened lives? I think it's the former for there only evidence that Islam was once enlightened has vanished long ago. It attempts to drag us back to a perpetual state of ignorance which it inadvertently helped drag mankind out of.
"And why do you think the world does not like Muslims? " The truth is rarely liked. The fact that non-Muslims don't like us to me testifies that we're on the right path, those non-Muslims who have an open mind and do their own research become Muslims.
Some truths would be a better way of making your statement. Others are openly embraced, but I know you're not talking about truth here. You're talking about religious dogma. What would have been a better statement is that some beliefs and ideologies aren't liked. This would be far more accurate statement. you talk about your belief in Allah, and you can't bring me one shred of hard evidence to prove the existence of a god and you make statements like you know the truth of things. You sound dumb
"You sound dumb" - Only because you don't like what I say, there is no undeniable evidence of the existence of God, if there was of course everybody would have embraced religion, and if God wanted to be like that he could simply make all of us believe, believing with only evidence that you realize with your instincts as well as logic is the test. The Quran is my proof for the existence of God, and that Islam is the true path as well.
& I've a feeling you're even starting to sound dumb to yourself. Think good & hard about what you're saying & look at all of the people who're also Muslim, but are either Sunni Shi'a & all of the sub-shoots of either one of them along with the other ones which existl. they all think they know the "truth" & this goes for Christians & Jews as well and they all believe this on faith. A word which basically means believing in something with little to no evidence. U sound just like any other zealot
Typical atheist, you don't like what I say, so you resort to sarcasm. No my friend, just because you don't understand what I'm saying doesn't mean it's dumb, if anything it might imply that you're a bit slow. You think you're smart because you don't believe in god, when it actually takes a smart person to truly believe "and not just blindly believe" in the existence of God, by looking around at his creation and seeing his signs.
I do know what you're saying which is equal to: I believe in this and because I believe in this it must be truth. Also, please tell me how believing in god determines that you are intelligent? According to this statement alone that would mean that all dumb people God made are going to hell and only the smart people will go to heaven. Also, could you please point out these signs you speak of and I'm sure they would be debunked with no more than a cursory investigation.
Who's bring dumb now exactly? Your answer doesn't relate to what I said. The fact that there's a low to regulate how people should conduct their lives and that there is a system of punishment for offenders, does not mean that people who follow the low and do not break it do so only because they are afraid of the law. It only means that the law is there to make sure that everybody follows the low regardless of their reason for doing it.
Well, that has to be the dumbest statement out of you yet. Laws are in place so that people conduct themselves who may or may not do so within 1. a country and 2 while they are alive. They would also have to be aware of this law in order to follow it. Now If you look over the whole time that Islam has been around I can tell you that the majority of the world never knew about it. And also who the fuck would follow rules which only apply after you're dead? you're comparison is inaccurate.
"I can tell you that the majority of the world never knew about it" The statement only shows how little you know about Islam. Really, I should just end this now and say good night, which I'll do after I answer you, Islam doesn't say that only Muslims will go to heaven (defined as followers of Mohammad), and since I'm too tired to argue with you more, you will have to google this topic on your own if you want, but for now, you proved to be too ignorant for my taste.
Really, are you telling me that the Azteks and the native Americans all knew about Islam and all of Europe knew about Islam along with all of the people of the entire world knew about Islam like right from the moment that Mohamed opened his mouth? Hmmm, I must truly be ignorant. I guess Mohamed defied the sciences of his time or was magically transported to these people and he told them about Islam. I stand corrected.
"I must truly be ignorant. You are, because that is not what I said even remotely, read what I wrote again, and if you still don't get it, read again, rinse and repeat, in the end if will dawn on you , I'm sure.
Really, Maybe you should look at the line that you quoted of me which says, "I can tell you that the majority of the world never knew about it", it being Islam to which you replied, "The statement only shows how little you know about Islam", to which I replied.
"Maybe you should look at the line that you quoted..." You're still not getting it. Let me put it this way, if you're no a Muslim, and you never heard of Islam, Islam doesn't say you're necessarily going to hell (that is what Christianity says not Islam).
The reason why I said that what you said means that you know little about Islam, is because you assumed that being a non-Muslim means you're automatically going to hell - when in fact is doesn't work that way.
If you can bring me one person during the life of the prophet or in the same century that he lived in who actually condemned what the Prophet did by marrying Aisha. Then I would agree with you that you might have a point - but judging by today's standards and by the maturity (both mental and physical ) of 9-10 year old girls living in today's society then you have no grounds for your accusation.
Talk about an impossible request. how the fuck am o supposed to bring you one girl from the past to prove this to you? Also, you have many kids in Islam getting married today to old Muslim men. This practice still goes on and mostly because many Muslims want to live in Mohamed's footsteps. This also includes marrying more than one woman who get to wear feedbags over their heads in the more extreme Islamic countries.
Polygamy - you don't like it so its wrong. Not a good argument. I didn't ask you for a girl, I asked you to bring me a written record of someone who had protested against the prophet's marriage to Aisha back then.
As we progress further and further through time, some things improve and an example of this is that we now know that fucking female children who just got there period can have dire consequences to their health. Also in regard to polygamy- just because Islam says it's right it must make it so? That argument can go both ways, but since Islam claims to know the truth, you can't use this argument. We know that in cultures where this happens women are marginalized, playing limited roles in society.
Don't even go far to that point in time, just look back at legal legislations of western countries in the 19th century, you'd find that marriage at a very young age was accepted, and practiced. The life expectancy of people back during the life of the prophet was short, and marriage at a young age was not only practiced, it was encouraged. Aisha also was betrothed to someone before the prophet came along.
And part of your deception is that you always twist what Muslims do or say, for instance just now I wasn't comparing country to a man, that wasn't a comparison - you are such a bulshitter, I'm giving you an example of something said without context. Muhammad didn't kill randomly, he killed people who fought him and Islam, he didn't raid any caravans, he raided the caravans of those who had drove him and the Muslims out of their homes and took their money. So you're just a filthy hater.
were can I found the whole movie..
thanks brother 4 auploading this vid
M1SSHANAN 1 month ago
lies can be defended only by more lies
ginu1 1 month ago
Complete bull shit don't think yourself smart Islam has nothing than murder towards non Muslim INFIDELS
hazombolelbolbol 1 month ago
fictional guff !
MegaHumanfly 1 month ago
Harry Potter was also a work of fiction.
cattlecarnage1 2 months ago
I view this video is just as much propaganda as Fitna imo.
pmoyer50 2 months ago
i am a filipino muslim and i am so proud,fitna movie did not affect me instead it strengthen my belief in ISLAM..Sorry for them..ALLAHU AKHBAR..
Laillaha iLLaLLaH Mohammad Rasullullah...
bongaamir 5 months ago
@bongaamir
wafa sultan-ho-akbar
zulfitareen 3 months ago
Fitna portrays exactly what Islam is
If you say otherwise, you lie
GodOfUnbelief 6 months ago 7
@crashpilot2 correct you if you got something wrong ... where to to a start cult implies exclusivity and stringent rules some muslims commited sins but werent expelled from islam just told to repent also contained diverse background of people aristocrats, ex-jews, ex-pagans, slaves. kill whoever didn't join the cult? response from the quran " there is no compulsion in religion" (the Quran 2:256) also the area where battles shows it was defensive any questions I'll send you personal response.
supercck 7 months ago
nice movie..BEST MOVIE EVER:)) cause its about our profhet MOHAMMED SAV... love u so much
AdaminaGore 8 months ago
@AdaminaGore are you stupid? they are disrespecting our prophet
ERICKSKIE23 5 months ago
@ERICKSKIE23 why am i stupid? what did i say? if they disrespecting our prophet, they are the one whos doomed. we have to be thankfull to Allah that we are not like them. i feel sorry for them:((
AdaminaGore 5 months ago
@AdaminaGore You just said its a "nice movie..BEST MOVIE EVER:))" -.-... We should do something. we should fucking kill all dutch people
ERICKSKIE23 5 months ago
krn
sunardi123 9 months ago
taqiyya anyone? what a load of bullshit. this phony asshole who made this movie is full of it. mohamad the child fucker is nothing but a 4th century hitler.
attilathefun1 9 months ago
AISHA: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down."
---(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)
MOHAMMAD the PEDOPHILE!
(pig be upon him)
MohammadKhanzeer 10 months ago
Mohammed was a criminal and fucking man and everyone knows it
so please stop telling lies things!
SecularOrnina2 10 months ago
@SecularOrnina2 Fuck you :)
1992dontforget 10 months ago
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@1992dontforget
You are angry ! because it is the truth:)
SecularOrnina2 10 months ago
@SecularOrnina2 i just have one question? did u see one of crims of him? no, so i think u need to shut your mouth and stop telling bullshit. u cant answer anyway
AdaminaGore 8 months ago
@SecularOrnina2
innocent good kind man until proven guilty
TheWhatsmyname99 8 months ago
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This is shit. At three places in the quran it is said that "islam will dominate the world". For muslims, it is impossible to critics their holy book because of fear of hell and punishments. What an indoctrination!!!
I can understand that human suffering may be behind the war made by muhammad. But it doesn'T make quran god's word nor any un-criticizable. Quran is man(men?)-made and very criticizable.
WAKE UP!!!
KaonNeutre 1 year ago 3
@KaonNeutre
this is very true!!
SecularOrnina2 10 months ago
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KaonNeutre 1 year ago
Mohammed was a murdering psychopath. He burns in hell with the devil.
retardomohammed 1 year ago
@retardomohammed You're an ignorant fuckhead who knows nothing about religion. Fuck off.
FirearmsForumsLive 1 year ago
@retardomohammed but u will beg him:)
AdaminaGore 8 months ago
islam is the best religion - and islam not say to kill the non-muslims
ahmedguli 1 year ago
"girls should not be forced to marriage but be able to choose or refuse"0:39
lol..How old was Aisha when he married her!like 7...?
"Mhmd teaches..before God all man are equal"..yes men!coz women are inferior/coz God created some superior than others
delagrazia 1 year ago
@delagrazia
Aisha was 18 and minimum 14 when she married the holy prophet (SAWWS)
nohamajlis 1 year ago
@nohamajlis who was like..55?And had 15 more wives(and he was a prophet-he is supposed 2 be better than others).Ask yourself if u would like that 4yourself or daughter
delagrazia 1 year ago
@delagrazia The Bible too allowed for little girls being married off as well:
Exodus 21:7-11
7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
nohamajlis 1 year ago
@delagrazia 10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!
nohamajlis 1 year ago
Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
nohamajlis 1 year ago
@nohamajlis christians follow the New testament not the Jewish Law (the law that is written in mens heart =ethics=in case and 4he who knows not christianity)as Jesus disagreed with several things with the Jews of his time and so they wished his death(and most dont like Him till todayFew believe Him but they are not only considered heresy by rest of Jews but have intense disputes too over that.the old testament is in bible for historical reasons to show the continuity the line(family
delagrazia 1 year ago
@nohamajlis(family_of Jesus the creation of men etc/we read the New (priests and who whishes reads the old too+other old texts+life of saints but we dont follow the old ,while the life of saints are taken as example the Old t.is not)so i dont know whats in the old at all We often call Bible the book (as bible actually means book)of new testament or just testament ,which is in fact wrong coz bible is old+new together but we read +follow the new.
delagrazia 1 year ago
@nohamajlis
So Jesus was absolute about monogamy+against divorce.
Paul -who is the one who said woman should cover head(not hair) "in church,for the angels" also said man+women are equal before God /are one "and this is a great mystery"(as in mysticism),+"he who knows will understand"
(also monogamy-non divorce but in case of divorce(if which is not good)is better to not re-marry or reconsile with your husband
delagrazia 1 year ago
@nohamajlicer
and men if they devote life 2 god is better but if desire woman marry one/as is a sin to not marry if u have desire for woman/or 2have many
and thats about it
delagrazia 1 year ago
@nohamajlis
Exodus is the OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus = NEW TESTAMENT. OLD TESTAMENT = TORAH = JEW. NEW TESTAMENT = CHRISTIAN
TokyoFreeze79 11 months ago
@nohamajlis
Too bad it IS NOT practiced anymore. The Jews and Christians have EVOLVED from that book. Dirty Muslims still live in the past.
TokyoFreeze79 11 months ago
@delagrazia Haha, you're an idiot. Women were not given rights in American until the 19th century. This was popular culture. Lol. Shut up, please.
FirearmsForumsLive 1 year ago
@FirearmsForumsLive wrong.were not given the right to vote!! till 19 century+ in America ,not in Europe
on the other hand in Saudi A. there is a king till today
u said"This was popular culture"
being a prophet he should know beter+give a good example.Add 2 society something good even if was new as he had no problem in disagreeing with the culture of his time +place in such an imprtnt issue as is faith+God/also culture allowed did not oblige 2 marry a kid / he not only follow this custom but
delagrazia 1 year ago
@delagrazia Haha as a prophet he should know?
Jesus didn't say anything about it either. Always says man/men.
So stereotype a religion when not comparing to other religions?
Sounds a bit biased to me.
FirearmsForumsLive 1 year ago
@FirearmsForumsLive Yes as a prophet he should be more ethical+an example for others
u said
"Jesus didn't say anything about it either. Always says man/men|" about what?
"So stereotype a religion when not comparing to other religions?" comparison was not the issue but we can compare now if u want
delagrazia 1 year ago
@FirearmsForumsLive reserve for himself the right 2 marry as many women as he could.(1 of which was war captive).while said others could marry up to 4
delagrazia 1 year ago
@FirearmsForumsLive by the way:
"you're an idiot" so " Shut up, "
or learn 2 make a conversation in a polite manner!
delagrazia 1 year ago
Islam is nothing but a Cult made by that sel-proclaimed prophet of Masaccre, Sex and eternal hate with the Jews and Christian. Only a fool would believe a self-proclaimed prophet that knows nothing but SEX SEX and more SEX
Johns2007019 1 year ago 3
All Muslim people read our holy Quran. All this film is wrong. Yes we all believe in one god and prophet Mohammed but other thing is wrong. The person who creates this film is one of the Terrorist people who hate Islam also the person who create this film he doesn't know anything about Quran. God will show him or her Punish meant on the Day of Judgment.
Peace for all Muslim people all over the world
tamairozan 1 year ago
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tamairozan 1 year ago
Its still a movie not for real. I need clear evidences that there is only one and one god and muhammad is his messanger. The day sumone proves me that i will become a muslim.
Sawamiayyapa87 1 year ago
@Sawamiayyapa87 just read Koran you will get your answer. if i will tell u. you wouldn't believe on me. ask Allah directly to help you. he is a great helper.
mikaeel01 1 year ago
@mikaeel01 Muhammad was booted out of Mecca for trying to convert everyone. With 70 Muslim families he raided caravans, built up an army with help of the seized booty and returned to Mecca in bloody revenge.
Murder and hate are Islam's hallmarks. Stay well away.
TheDustpile 1 year ago
@Sawamiayyapa87 muzlims are all dumbos and product of rapes by pedophile mohammad
ThinkingGuy100 1 year ago
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@ThinkingGuy100 you are a fool. you worship man made ideas. you have no brain.
mvaseem2000 1 year ago
@Sawamiayyapa87
The proof is there but only you can choose to see this truth or stay ignorant and this truth is the Quran. When the pagan arabs heard the words of the Quran which came from the illiterate prophet Muhammad they knew they were divine words. The Quran gives sceintific knowledge on embryos in the womb, the big bang, the fact the earth is round and other pieces of knowledge 1400 years ago
supercck 1 year ago
@supercck I've read the Koran (and its identical companion Mein Kampf) and didn't come across any of that!
Though I DID come across commands to slaughter unbelievers if they fail to convert to Islam!
TheDustpile 1 year ago
@TheDustpile over 3 billion unbelievers and they are still alive... ur dumb... its talking abt the past and u fail to quote the whole worse which states that if u however they repent than u shall guide them to a safe place...
Pure christian... most probably a methodist... doing all u can to fool the average person... seen alot of you...
The fact that ur still breathing is a sign that we muslim are tolerant and dont care abt what ppl like u talk and do to us... he live on...
aad966 1 year ago
@aad966 Another piece of shameless Muslim propaganda - the 'world's biggest religion' crap, though only because Muslims breed like rabbits and the babies have no choice but to become Islamic. 4-1 we Westerners are outbred by.
"doing all u can to fool the average person" - if that's the case then I learn from Muhammad's practice of taquiyya! Under that the kuffar is deceived whilst Muslims pretend they are the victims themselves!
"dont care abt what ppl like u talk" - then do quieten down!
TheDustpile 1 year ago
@TheDustpile I've the Quran as well you haven't read the Quran Your another ignorant fool who listens to these scaremongering Islamophobes who preach hate.
supercck 1 year ago
The world is awaiting a reformation to come to Islam and rational believers to outnumber the brainwashed. Once that happens, we will be much safer.
LONG LIVE FREE SPEECH
Pisshelmet 1 year ago
La ilaha illallahu Muhammadur rasulullah". (There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
shahab1561 2 years ago
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Geert Wilders has more than a point, which is why Muslims get so 'offended' at having their supremacist, vicious, genocidal and downright psychotic 'Religion of Peace' exposed.
Example: Islam ordains its lethal followers to treat women like crap.
Paste title into bar: PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAYS KILL YOUR DAUGHTERS!
TheDustpile 2 years ago
@TheDustpile Islam is the most peacefull religion on earth. Christianity is one of the most genocidal religion in the world. World war 1 started by christians, world war 2 started by christians (more than 10 million people dead !!!, Heroshima bombed by christians, millions and millions of victims and dead people!
jdahdaluo 1 year ago
@jdahdaluo World War I began because Germany backed Austria-Hungary's invasion of Yugoslavia. And Hitler's Catholic life ended at 5 years old when he was allegedly caught smoking and kicked out from his religious school. And the Hiroshima bomb was dropped to defeat the Japs and test the device. None of these were done for God.
Islam peaceful? Ask the victims of Beslan, or the bombings of New York, Bali, Madrid, London and countless other places. Ask the Jews who must be killed.
TheDustpile 1 year ago
@TheDustpile
new york, bali,madrid . london what about afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Pakistan, Somalia what about the the third world that continually gets fucked by the west. If someone raped and murdered your family, you wouldn't w\ant revenge you wouldn't want to take out your anger.
supercck 1 year ago
@TheDustpile crussades??? how abt the serbs killing ppl who were muslim??
how abt iraq and afghanistan? did u see wat they ddi to them in the prison...
one of the authors of the four gospels was a mass murder may i remind u.. and than wat happened??cause he accepted christ his sins were washed? lol
Bush is a christian.thru his command more ppl have died in iraq and afghanistan than they have due to the 9/11... i guess its justifiable to kill 10 fold more ppl when ur a christian
aad966 1 year ago
@aad966 And here is more ignorant Muslim propaganda, crudely pitching everything on the level of clashing religions.
Milosovic was easily Muhammad's equal, but unlike Muhammad, Slobodan Milosovic faced trial for his crimes.
Iraq and Afghanistan were NOT religious crusades whilst any Muslim voicing claims of barbarity in the Christian religion is a total hypocrite.
And besides, Muhammad was different to Jesus in that he ordered people killed or tortured himself.
TheDustpile 1 year ago
@TheDustpile Bush clearly stated that it was god who commanded him to go into iraq... and who is his god?? aint the muslim god is it?
And who is Paul? a mass murderer? and why do read his gospel... lol wat the hell are u on abt? contradicting urself there arent u? Muhammed atleast ordered to kill according to you but PAUL WAS A MURDERER and also the author of the gospel which you follow.. how naive...
aad966 1 year ago
@aad966 Paul was a murderer who became Christ's greatest missionary. Jesus Christ saw how an evil man could repent his ways and tested him, whilst Muhammad preferred his killers to go onto greater and more barbaric evil.
And besides, George Bush certainly showed up the eternal hypocrisy of the Muslims. You see, whenever these madmen massacre Jews or blow up airports it is ALWAYS done with 'Allahu Akbar' on their lips! But there is NO Muslim bitching about God being brought into it then!
TheDustpile 1 year ago
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all terrorists are muslims??
hitler
george W. bush
criminals in around america/Europe they put terror into the heart of the public
american troops who are in afghanistan/iraq etc are putting terror in to the hearts of the iraaqees and afghanistanis, they are all the terrorists, coz they all ARE or HAVE terrorised people!
szjaved 2 years ago
So if Islam is against slavery, why is slavery still practiced in muslims countries?
Pseudologic 2 years ago
@Pseudologic Because they are not following the true teachings of Islam.
cosmickiller123 1 year ago
@cosmickiller123
I'm sure they would say that they are.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
@Pseudologic Actions speak louder than words.
cosmickiller123 1 year ago
@Pseudologic If Catholism and Christianity are against pedosexualitiy, why is pedosexualitiy still practiced in muslim countries?
jdahdaluo 1 year ago
@jdahdaluo Read what you wrote very carefully.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
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@Pseudologic If Catholism and Christianity are against pedosexualitiy, why is pedosexualitiy still practiced in western, Christian countries?
jdahdaluo 1 year ago
@jdahdaluo what kind of question is that you stupid jerk, you must be a retarted jew or hindu
mickyboy200768 1 year ago
@mickyboy200768 If Catholism and Christianity are against pedosexualitiy, why is pedosexualitiy still practiced in western, Christian countries?
jdahdaluo 1 year ago
@jdahdaluo lot of priest have been sexualy molesting boys, is that mean the bible is promoting rape and pedophelia, you are an idiotic red neck
mickyboy200768 1 year ago
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@mickyboy200768 Islam is the most peacefull religion on earth. Christianity is one of the most genocidal religion in the world. World war 1 started by christians, world war 2 started by christians (more than 10 million people dead !!!, Heroshima bombed by christians, millions and millions of victims and dead people!
jdahdaluo 1 year ago
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ما يستفيد سياسي مجهول الإنتماء من سب وقدف رسول الله هل فعلا نحن نعيش عصر الإنحطاط حتى أنه من يرد
الشهرة يصيح بالشتائم لابد من النقاش العقلاني بدل إطلاق الإتهامات والشتائم
rockthegold 2 years ago 2
no words Islam is the Solution of all the problems of a man NAMAZ is Peace,MUHAMMAS SAW are the last prophet of God
KHANERUMER 2 years ago
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germanjoe23 2 years ago
One day everyone who was against islam will cry for forgivness thats 100 sure and may our precious and beloved prophet Muhammad Sallalahu aleihi wasallam rest in peace I wish that I can meet Him afterlife And pray for Allah the almighty for forgivness people can say whatever they want in the net and movies about islam but they will never do that infront of me I Know that
loveafg1 2 years ago
ما يستفيد سياسي مجهول الإنتماء من سب وقدف رسول الله هل فعلا نحن نعيش عصر الإنحطاط حتى أنه من يرد الشهرة يصيح بالشتائم لابد من النقاش العقلاني بدل إطلاق الإتهامات والشتائم
najab11 2 years ago
As any good moslem will tell you, this final is not what the koran tells us. In fact it is haram, total bullshit, for people who have no idea about islam to swallow
TheInfidelk9 2 years ago
The Meccans biggest mistake was they did not hang the the filty pedo prophet
TheInfidelk9 2 years ago
Your mother's biggest mistake is that she didn't have abortion before you came into this world.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
the west's biggest mistake was holding back in the war against Islamic states. They should have crushed them underfoot before that plague of a religion got the tiny toe hold it has right now in the west.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
They couldn't have even if they tried, God is with us, and you can' extinguish the light of Islam!!! live with it, Islam, will always be here, and in the end when judgment day comes you'll know that you were committing injustice to yourself by refusing to listen to the truth, and instead demonized it.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I love your typo in this one (you can extinguish the light of Islam!!!) and it's appropriate for all things come to an end and this is the same with religion. One day you will see religion for what it is and that's a pile of nonsense. It's sad to see a good mind go to waste, but I don't dwell on these things. Good luck in your persuites of being rewarded after you're dead instead of doing something meaningful with your life while you're here.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
I'm not wasting my life, I don't know what you're doing with yours, but I intent to reach heaven by means of doing something meaningful and good in this life, this is what makes me a Muslim.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Really? I would assume that would mean any person who does not call themselves a Muslim, but does good? Oh, that's right You're rewarded for your good deeds after life and punished for doing bad deeds after your life as well. I guess that would mean many Muslims don't do good deeds because they think it's a good thing, but because they want to go to heaven and don't do bad deeds because they don't want to go to hell. Not cause they really mean it. How stupid is that?
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Yes, Muslims do good deeds to avoid going to hell and because they want to go to heaven, as an incentive, but they do it because they are good people. But as Islam is a way of life to bring harmony to a society, reward and punishment is there to motivate even people who are not good matured to do good and avoid bad deeds. You're really just being a hater, you don't kill people because its a bad thing, but obviously having a law that punishes killers helps prevent even bad people from killing
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Do you mean to say that most people who don't commit murder in a society do it because they are afraid of being punished by the law? Get real!!! I don't have time nor the inclination to argue with one-track-minded people like you, you hate Muslims and Islam, and you call us the haters, and then you become offensive when one tries to correct your misconceptions, I really don't care if you like me or Muslims, it doesn't even put a dent on Islam, the only one you're harming is yourself.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Yes, I can't stand that religion, I find it to be a mixture of dangerous contradictions and a fairytale like all religions. What I hate about Islam is what it aims to create and what it stands for which is one religion under the sun (does not share well with others) and it condones doing this by whatever means necessary. Keep your faith (yes, the one that takes your imagination to fuel) and along with it, stay ignorant for it must be a real comfort to you.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
(does not share well with others). Well that's actually the biggest misconception of all about Islam. We aim to let everybody know about Islam but that is where out mission ends. But you know what? If you know you have the right and only way to "salvation" for lack of a better word, then you'd be damned selfish if you want to keep it to yourself and if you don't want ALL the world to share it with you. I'm not ignorant, I'm enlightened , its you who's ignorant.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Oh, yeah, and more more thing: How many people do you think would follow Islam if they didn't think there was a heaven and most importantly if they didn't think they were going to hell? I'd say you'd have a follow ship of almost nothing.
This means that it took Someone not only saying you have to do these good things to be safe, but you also have to be a Muslim as well. Great fear tactic or what!?! Cause it sure seems to be working on a whole bunch of people :-)
Abbodine1 2 years ago
What are you trying to prove? You think you figured out the Achilles' heel of Islam? all religion has reward one way or another, everything in the word that is worth doing has either a reward or something worth avoiding. What kind of a silly and meaningless question is that? Religion is worship, you thank your creator for the gifts you have on earth, and you aim for the jackbot. Too simplistic for you? do your thing and let those who believe alone.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Please, read deeper. many people will do what you would consider good things without needing a reward to do so other than living up to what they think is right and wrong. Religion uses eternal hell fire or eternal bliss to convince people to do one thing or the other. this boils down to coercion and getting people to act in this way is wrong in my eyes.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Yes, it does, just like most people who join religions, they have to be told what to do, whether is be good or not, without question. & as your comment clearly states, they also need to be rewarded for this as well which means that if they do do good deeds they have an ulterior motive behind their kind acts, in other words they may not be doing it out of the kindness of there hearts, but more so to save their ass. I do good things cause it's right, not as a ticket to heaven, unlike you.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
And even if we assumed you're right, I'd much rather to live in a world where people do the right thing because they are afraid of the consequences of not doing it, than to live in a world where a few people do the right thing out of their own good nature while the rest of the people are going around screwing things up.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
What stops people from doing things that are bad is our species. Like all other social species, our success is based on co-operation. It is in the best interest of a member of the species to ensure that others do well so he can also do well.
This is what makes mankind so successful. The ideal morals which we say came down from a god is something which is inherent in the majority of our species under most circumstances & insures its survival. We are one of the most successful complex lifeforms
Abbodine1 2 years ago
You can look at any other species which are also social yet rarely attack or kill their own kind. when your success depends on the success of your species it becomes hard wired into that species to co-operate and, although you will find exceptions to this rule throughout our history, mankind was socially successful long before organized religion came about. In other words, we will survive with or without it (religion), but better without for thousands of years to come.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
For instance the morality (or lack thereof) of accepting homosexuality. Can you say that this is something all human being instinctual agree on. I for one, with or without religion find homosexuality repulsive, in "liberal" countries today homosexuality is not only condoned but even embraced, mostly by people who are not religious. Is that is the kind of successful species you're talking about? what benefit to society does homosexuality bring?
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
The biggest question you have to ask yourself is, "Right according to who?" you are assuming that there is this universal right and wrong and this just isn't true.
In regards to homosexuality, I agree with you in that I find it repulsive, but where I disagree is in whether someone has the right to practice is or not. If they choose to do it, that's their business, although I still disagree with that behavior a lot.
And anytime something works against a species, it will be eliminated by some
Abbodine1 2 years ago
means or another. Also, where some behaviors only benefit the one person, the others that that same person commits will contribute to others. even when you think you may only be doing for yourself, you may still be benefiting someone else. Co-operation is one of our biggest assets as a species. Our ability to create tools better than other species we know of on this planet would be another one.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
I don;t say that people left on their own won't be able to do good, I believe we're all born with more capacity to do good than evil. I'm just saying its not enough. look at premarital sex too, almost all atheists think its totally acceptable, but it destroys a society from within, think of children born to single parents, think of sexually transmitted diseases, etc. So obviously left to their own devices, human beings are not going to see what's good for them in that area.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Once again, you're assertion is that it's wrong based upon what you think is right. This does not make it so. Please show me how a society is being destroyed by this behavior of having premarital sex. Your examples are that of an alarmist and you can see just by looking around that society has not been ruined because of it.
The west enjoys the greatest benefits which our world has to offer and it also has the greatest amount of atheists and most relaxed laws.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Further more, the lowest life expectancies are in the most religious countries and where the most human rights violations occur would be in the same countries. This also included technology, which is something which the west has brought to the world although Islam played a role in re-introducing the sciences into Europe after the dark ages. We have,though, Sir Issac Newton to thank for almost all of the greatness his thinking has brought to this world. He was the catalyst to technology.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Look him up and you will truly see what a mighty contribution this man has brought to the world. Almost everything we have as far as technology is concerned, is built on the foundations of his discoveries.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Off the top of my head, I can probably list more given time to think:
1- Children born into a family with one or both parents missing, and thus not in an ideal nurturing healthy environment, which on its own leads to many forms of psychological disorders
2- Sexually transmitted diseases.
3- Young people having sex at a very young age.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Right and wrong is defined by who the action in question will affect 1- you 2- other people around you 3- the world you've living in. For instance homosexuality although it appears to be harmless it has many destructive effects on society. And if you're right and human being can determine on their own what is right and wrong on all matters, then why is it that homosexuality is increasing in popularity instead of being denounced.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Right and wrong is defined by the individual and where he got this from is most likely from his society. There is no universal right or wrong. It is our species which is still around which is an indication that what we think and believe allows us to carry on. that which harms us (in all its forms) will be eliminated or marginalized if we are to carry on. If it is not, then the species ends. An over simplification due to typing space.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
You're comparing human beings to animals, human beings have free will, they have self awareness, when animals kill each other its because they compete over resources or to feed. Your comparison is not logical. No other society on earth resembles the human society.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
To some degree I would agree with you, but to another I would say that you're wrong. Free will or the ability to make choices is always there, but I know that people will make choices which are in alignment with their values and there beliefs, which will make people as predictable as clocks once you get to know them and they will eliminate a vast majority of choices in their daily lives because of these beliefs and values without even knowing it. The very same beliefs they took on to benefit
Abbodine1 2 years ago
now limit them and most people are so unaware of this that they go about in their day to day lives not knowing that this belief limits or impoverishes them from doing better.
In regards to not being animals, I guess that all depends on how you distinguish/categorize the meaning of things. Almost all scientists who deals with biology (along with many of the other sciences) would strongly disagree with you. I would tend to agree with them although I thought on your lines at one time.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Anyway Abbodine1, I guess its time for this discussion to end on good terms, I'm sorry if I offended you at some point, that's just human nature when we get agitated. You obviously don't like Islam and you have your reasons, I love my religion for reasons you can't seem to understand we'll have to agree to disagree.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Just one point I would like to throw in, is that IMHO man-made laws are mundane versions of laws set by religion, except in the case of religion, we "propose" that they are set by the creator of the human race, and thus by the one who knows better how to make it function effectively. That of course as is apparent is up for debate.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Humanity is endowed with a conscience, but that conscience alone does not guarantee that people will always do the right thing. This is why laws were created, but even today, what's seen as wrong in one country is totally acceptable in another. Anf I'm not saying you're not going to do the right thing if you're not religious, I'm saying you're more likely to do the right thing if you are religious.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Once again, you're assuming that there's a universal right and wrong. If you could provide me with some proof that this is the case, I would love to see it. There is no evidence that this is so and the worst part, if you understood how subjective our thinking really is, is that these laws will be left open to interpretation and will be followed or understood one way by one person and then understood as something else by another. Religious laws can be too vague and are left open to interpretation
Abbodine1 2 years ago
I have no proof except for my own experience, right and wrong can be first and foremost be distinguished by ones instincts. When you're faced with a choice, I would argue that there's a little built-in voice inside you that tells you that one course of action is right and the other is wrong, deep inside, you know right from wrong even when you're programmed differently. And I believe that voice is universal.and that the true religion agrees with that voice.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I see how you may come to this conclusion, and this is something which has been proven to be a misconception. If you take a look at the values that one group of people are raised to believe over another group, you will see that the voice inside of them will be based upon their cultures. You are assuming that your voice deep down inside of you is the same one that someone else may have. You may share this with others who believe as you, but those who have different beliefs/values won't
Abbodine1 2 years ago
But still, one of the most important factors that actually do make right and wrong universal is the weighing of pros and cons, and benefits and disadvantages of each course of action. It is my personal opinion that all the Laws of Islam when understood correctly carry with them much more benefit than harm. History can attest to that by comparing the outcomes in two different societies one observing the law and another one not doing so in each case.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I can see how you would also believe this to be true. First of all you come from the belief that their is a universal right and you may believe this to be as concrete a fact as the ground you walk on. Although I don't argue that there will be benefits to any laws you adhere to, you must also realize that an individual who has either been raised in a culture or somehow finds a match of values and beliefs with a culture &/or religion he adopts, will also see this as being intrinsic. In order for
Abbodine1 2 years ago
anything to have meaning, there must be something which is conscious to give it meaning. I see the benefits of my culture and I measure this based upon certain values that work for me and those around me. I use the template, among other things, of how long someone lives and how freely they live and well they live and also how protected an individuals rights are as part of this. The more people have of this, within a culture, the more I like this culture. The less it has the less I like it.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
What you say makes sense, but the thing is things are not this clear cut. There are things that you know are wrong even though they do not relate to anything you've learned through religion or society. Like I said, I know I can't prove my point of view, and I'm not forcing it on anybody. But I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
And please, when you're finished riding your high horse, let us discuss your beloved Christianity, and your hypocrisy, Christiants committed and still commit all kinds of atrocities, the prophets of your OT committed incest, mass murder (even of women, and children) they were drunkards, and they stole the money of their enemies and enslaved their women, and you have the audacity to point the finger at our prophet? You know you're just a BIG hypocrite.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
As much as you're wrong about me being religious, so are you wrong about truth. You think you know the truth, but you are so far off the mark that it's like a person trying to hit the moon by throwing marbles at it.
Truth is subjective and silly as it sounds to say so, has been proven to be the only truth. All of our experience, which is exposed to us through our limited five senses and then further altered through our beliefs, which was molded by our personal experience is not truth.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
fuck denmark
palestineintheeyes 2 years ago
Yes, we know how accurate Hollywood portrays history. I'm sure this movie in no way is bi-est and we all know that Mohamed didn't raid caravans and killed others.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
well, 1- This wasn't a Hollywood production 2- You say raided caravans and killed people, but you give no context - I can say America nuked Japan and stop there, I'm not condoning nuking anybody of course, but there's context to everything, to pass judgment, you need to know the context, otherwise you're just being being a blind hater sheep.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
1- you got the drift of what I was saying 2- He was a fucking thief and a murderer, you know it; I know it and all of those who bow to the Ka'ba know it (the exception being a lot of the western converts sold on the fluff of Islam AKA the religion of peace bullshit) also when you use America as an example and equate it to Mohamed, you are using a country to compare to a man. Mohamed got his own hands dirty in the killing and the stealing and the raping. You also know this to be true cut the BS
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Not it's not true. You're just a deluded man - and the fact that you keep insulting him and saying "you know its true" doesn't make it true, you're supposed to be christian and "love your enemy" but look at you filled with hate and lies. You know nothing about Islam, maybe you think you do, but you know less than I know about hinduism, which is to say very little" what you know you know is out of hate and prejudice, that even if you hear something good you'll twist it into something bad.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I'm not a Christian & for the record I would never love my enimy which would be one of things that I'd have in common with Muslims. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not religious. I'm also not filled with hate and lies for there's nothign I've posted that isn't true in regards to what Muhamed did. You're the lyer here & you know it & your religion, the so called religion of peace, is the one filled with hate. Mohamed was a theif, had sex with a 9 year old & all those other things I said
Abbodine1 2 years ago
I only assumed you to be one because someone on your channel implied that you'd told him so. No, you don't post complete lies, you just lie by omission (the word lie might be a bit harsh - but if you didn't do your due diligence on the matter , then you might as well have lied intentionally). Mohammad wasn't a thief, he took back what was taken from his people, he "married" a girl who's reached child bearing age, and was mentally and physically mature. (cont)
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I'm not filled with hate, nor are the majority of Muslims I know in my community or the ones I'm in contact with on the Net, etc. If you know hateful Muslims please feel free to call them out on their hatred, but don't assume to know my heart and what I feel or think.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Let's see here.... Over ninety percent of the acts of terrorism committed in the world today are committed by Muslims and anytime this religion's made fun of mocked or criticized, you have Muslims coming out in the droves to protest, commit acts of violence plenty of it leading to murder, most of which is not protested about by the majority of the Muslim community which do not commit these acts. Again, you're full of shit.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
No, those are the statistics of acts of violence "allegedly" committed by Muslims in a world so biased against Muslims, even if they were truly committed by people calling themselves Muslims, I don't care about those who do not understand their own religion. "Most of which is not protested..." like you would know!! as if the media is interested in reporting that kind of news to you. I'm not full of shit!! You're just full of hate.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Yes, of course, it's all "ALLEGEDLY" committed by Muslims which is so biased against Muslims. Also, I don't only go to one media source I also get my information from the Internet & everything points towards Muslims committing these acts so I went as far as to buy my the Qur'an, & wouldn't you know it, all those lovely little violent verses in there just waiting to be read. My next thing I'm going to do is find the Hadeeths & then get the context of all of this bullshit. So far my hunch is right
Abbodine1 2 years ago
And why do you think the world does not like Muslims? Could it be because they don't play nice with others and have rules which go directly against the charter of human rights? Or could it be that they are the truth and they have shown us how to live enlightened lives? I think it's the former for there only evidence that Islam was once enlightened has vanished long ago. It attempts to drag us back to a perpetual state of ignorance which it inadvertently helped drag mankind out of.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
"And why do you think the world does not like Muslims? " The truth is rarely liked. The fact that non-Muslims don't like us to me testifies that we're on the right path, those non-Muslims who have an open mind and do their own research become Muslims.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Some truths would be a better way of making your statement. Others are openly embraced, but I know you're not talking about truth here. You're talking about religious dogma. What would have been a better statement is that some beliefs and ideologies aren't liked. This would be far more accurate statement. you talk about your belief in Allah, and you can't bring me one shred of hard evidence to prove the existence of a god and you make statements like you know the truth of things. You sound dumb
Abbodine1 2 years ago
"You sound dumb" - Only because you don't like what I say, there is no undeniable evidence of the existence of God, if there was of course everybody would have embraced religion, and if God wanted to be like that he could simply make all of us believe, believing with only evidence that you realize with your instincts as well as logic is the test. The Quran is my proof for the existence of God, and that Islam is the true path as well.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
& I've a feeling you're even starting to sound dumb to yourself. Think good & hard about what you're saying & look at all of the people who're also Muslim, but are either Sunni Shi'a & all of the sub-shoots of either one of them along with the other ones which existl. they all think they know the "truth" & this goes for Christians & Jews as well and they all believe this on faith. A word which basically means believing in something with little to no evidence. U sound just like any other zealot
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Typical atheist, you don't like what I say, so you resort to sarcasm. No my friend, just because you don't understand what I'm saying doesn't mean it's dumb, if anything it might imply that you're a bit slow. You think you're smart because you don't believe in god, when it actually takes a smart person to truly believe "and not just blindly believe" in the existence of God, by looking around at his creation and seeing his signs.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I do know what you're saying which is equal to: I believe in this and because I believe in this it must be truth. Also, please tell me how believing in god determines that you are intelligent? According to this statement alone that would mean that all dumb people God made are going to hell and only the smart people will go to heaven. Also, could you please point out these signs you speak of and I'm sure they would be debunked with no more than a cursory investigation.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Who's bring dumb now exactly? Your answer doesn't relate to what I said. The fact that there's a low to regulate how people should conduct their lives and that there is a system of punishment for offenders, does not mean that people who follow the low and do not break it do so only because they are afraid of the law. It only means that the law is there to make sure that everybody follows the low regardless of their reason for doing it.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Well, that has to be the dumbest statement out of you yet. Laws are in place so that people conduct themselves who may or may not do so within 1. a country and 2 while they are alive. They would also have to be aware of this law in order to follow it. Now If you look over the whole time that Islam has been around I can tell you that the majority of the world never knew about it. And also who the fuck would follow rules which only apply after you're dead? you're comparison is inaccurate.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
"I can tell you that the majority of the world never knew about it" The statement only shows how little you know about Islam. Really, I should just end this now and say good night, which I'll do after I answer you, Islam doesn't say that only Muslims will go to heaven (defined as followers of Mohammad), and since I'm too tired to argue with you more, you will have to google this topic on your own if you want, but for now, you proved to be too ignorant for my taste.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Really, are you telling me that the Azteks and the native Americans all knew about Islam and all of Europe knew about Islam along with all of the people of the entire world knew about Islam like right from the moment that Mohamed opened his mouth? Hmmm, I must truly be ignorant. I guess Mohamed defied the sciences of his time or was magically transported to these people and he told them about Islam. I stand corrected.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
"I must truly be ignorant. You are, because that is not what I said even remotely, read what I wrote again, and if you still don't get it, read again, rinse and repeat, in the end if will dawn on you , I'm sure.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Really, Maybe you should look at the line that you quoted of me which says, "I can tell you that the majority of the world never knew about it", it being Islam to which you replied, "The statement only shows how little you know about Islam", to which I replied.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
"Maybe you should look at the line that you quoted..." You're still not getting it. Let me put it this way, if you're no a Muslim, and you never heard of Islam, Islam doesn't say you're necessarily going to hell (that is what Christianity says not Islam).
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
The reason why I said that what you said means that you know little about Islam, is because you assumed that being a non-Muslim means you're automatically going to hell - when in fact is doesn't work that way.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
If you can bring me one person during the life of the prophet or in the same century that he lived in who actually condemned what the Prophet did by marrying Aisha. Then I would agree with you that you might have a point - but judging by today's standards and by the maturity (both mental and physical ) of 9-10 year old girls living in today's society then you have no grounds for your accusation.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Talk about an impossible request. how the fuck am o supposed to bring you one girl from the past to prove this to you? Also, you have many kids in Islam getting married today to old Muslim men. This practice still goes on and mostly because many Muslims want to live in Mohamed's footsteps. This also includes marrying more than one woman who get to wear feedbags over their heads in the more extreme Islamic countries.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Polygamy - you don't like it so its wrong. Not a good argument. I didn't ask you for a girl, I asked you to bring me a written record of someone who had protested against the prophet's marriage to Aisha back then.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
As we progress further and further through time, some things improve and an example of this is that we now know that fucking female children who just got there period can have dire consequences to their health. Also in regard to polygamy- just because Islam says it's right it must make it so? That argument can go both ways, but since Islam claims to know the truth, you can't use this argument. We know that in cultures where this happens women are marginalized, playing limited roles in society.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
Don't even go far to that point in time, just look back at legal legislations of western countries in the 19th century, you'd find that marriage at a very young age was accepted, and practiced. The life expectancy of people back during the life of the prophet was short, and marriage at a young age was not only practiced, it was encouraged. Aisha also was betrothed to someone before the prophet came along.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
And part of your deception is that you always twist what Muslims do or say, for instance just now I wasn't comparing country to a man, that wasn't a comparison - you are such a bulshitter, I'm giving you an example of something said without context. Muhammad didn't kill randomly, he killed people who fought him and Islam, he didn't raid any caravans, he raided the caravans of those who had drove him and the Muslims out of their homes and took their money. So you're just a filthy hater.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago