Democrat Admits Pelosi Health Care Bill Won't Lower Costs

[lrlpercy]

Individual mandate = To force you to take insurance or be fined x amount of money.

Just this alone makes me Mad as Hell.

I didn't ask for this nor do i want it.

[korriban129]

Don't forget possiblities of jail time too.

[POKVARENISIR]

i think it's pretty clear what he is saying....and who the hell goes to FOX for news??

[mark1m]

he was saying the bill wont lower costs but it will lower the rate of increase. You have to be an idiot to not understand the distinction.

[CollegeLyfe23]

No. What happened here is a Democrat got caught with his pants down and your making excuses for him. The Dems have been saying all along that there goal is to pass a bill that LOWERS COSTS FOR ALL AMERICANS. Why would they bring a bill to the floor that doesnt meet that goal then? Its simple, thats not there goal. There goal is to take over the health care industry. Stop worshiping the Democrats. And to u Republicans, stop worshiping the Republican Party. There both stabbing us in the back.

[mark1m]

the problem is they cant outright create a bill that would lower costs. If they did they would have to take on the pharmaceutical companies too and start buying generic drugs. Conservatives would again cry government regulation, and then they would have to battle even more attack ads. You clearly dont understand how our broken form of crony capitalism works. The problem is pharmaceutical companies are the lesser of 2 evils... and there are actually valid reasons for paying their high costs.

[CollegeLyfe23]

Theres one way that will work thatll lower premiums. Let the free-market work and let them compete nation wide instead of just inside state lines. Also some states have requirements for the insurance companies that they have to have certain things in there insurance plans. Alot of them are pointless things that nobody wants. That drives up costs as well. If we can get rid of those restrictions on the insurance companies and let them compete nation wide then costs will go down.

[mark1m]

there are no financial reports done to show that would lower costs at all. If you honestly think that would help though... call your senator and ask them to include that in the bill.

[CollegeLyfe23]

Its worked all throughout time dude. Its called free-market capitalism. You let them compete and the consumer will go to the one with the lowest prices then all the rest of the insurance companies will lose the costumers then they will be forced to lower theres even more and so on. Its basic free-market economics. And for the ppl who still cant afford it can apply for a 6,000 tax credit to help them pay for it.

[mark1m]

Giving government money to prop up the private sector isnt free market, its crony capitalism and its what we have right now. And if you did do that approach, it would cost even more.

Put yourself in the shoes of the government. Your friend needs 100 bucks to goto the doctor, you want to help him. You can give 100 bucks to some other guy, who will take 30 bucks of your money and give him 70 (in which case you need to give more)... or you can give him the money directly. Which would you choose?

[CollegeLyfe23]

How would the govt be propping up the private sector? the private sector will prop up itself. Free-market economies work best when the govt is LEAST involved. However, we do need the govt to protect us from fraud and stuff like that. This would hardly cost any money. Also, u can give those 17 million american citizens who are actually too poor to afford health insurance a 6,000 tax credit. What u can also do is get rid of the fraud in medicare and medicaid to bring down costs.

[mark1m]

the private sector would not prop itself up. Health insurance costs are already currently lowered by the government. The Government offers tax incentives for employers to offer health insurance. Take away those tax incentives and employers would no longer offer health insurance. Without large corporation negotiating lower costs. We would all be forced to negotiate are own costs as individuals and the price of insurance would skyrocket.

[mark1m]

(cont.)

Now if you have ever shopped for a comprehensive policy on your own you probably know the insane cost of insuring an entire family. Couple that with the fact that no more government money being handed out to the industry, plus the fact that many americans would drop their insurance if they didnt get it through their employer and the insurance industry just lost a ton of customers.

[mark1m]

(cont)

Now that they are a lower volume business they need to increase rates because the overhead per customer will rise as a percentage, additionally they will lose bargaining power because they are bargaining on a lower customer base (this is why walmart is so much cheaper than a mom and pop store). So all medical procedure payouts will go up and all overhead costs. Which means premiums will skyrocket even more.

[mark1m]

(cont)

At this point medical bankruptcies will be through the roof because so few can afford insurance... and taxes will have to increase for the government to pay them. Hospitals and doctors will be unchecked in charging whatever they want, and they will charge a fortune because they know you have to pay them or you die.

Its a very complicated system of checks and balances.. the government is the only thing keeping our healthcare system alive.

[mark1m]

(cont)

so now you look at it through the plight of the government... they know they have to insure people. They can hand the money directly to the people via public option and charge 3% overhead... or they can go your route and hand their money to the private insurers to give to us... knowing the private insurers will charge 30% overhead. But cutting out the middleman they can save a fortune. And wasting 100s of billions of dollars to preserve an ideal, is idiotic.

[mark1m]

the free market is a great tool. Harnessing human greed as a motivator is a brilliant concept.

The problem is insurance is a do nothing industry. There is nothing to be invented, or created.

The only innovation that comes out of the insurance industry is innovative ways to deny claims. Insurance industries compete to find ways to give you less money back than you give them. In that sense the free market is very counter productive in the insurance industry.

[CollegeLyfe23]

well another concept we can also do is expand employer-based coverage. we can let small businesses band together to help pay for health care coverage for there employees. 65% of ppl in the work force are employed by small businesses so that would help significantly. i personally think expanding employer-based coverage, letting the insurance companies compete nation wide, and tax credits for the poor would solve the problem. we dont need a massive expansion govt to solve it for us.

[OffensiveBehaviorTV]

@mark1m Damn wright a book!

[mark1m]

sorry i think i just hit a stride there, i know i sound a little preachy. But the business world is complicated. I know i can spend my money better than the government can. Things just never are that simple... even though im sure everyone wishes they were (myself included).

[OffensiveBehaviorTV]

Maybe you should wright a blog. You seem like you have allot to say!

[mark1m]

maybe if i had a bit more political expertise... nobody wants to hear what an average moron like myself has to say.

[OffensiveBehaviorTV]

You would be surprised! Most of the people on TV are morons! LOL

[landluvver]

Thats the way to do it, create a crisis. "No good crisis should go to waste", from your buddy in D.C. Time to wake America, tell your representatives NO WAY or its the HIGHWAY! Speak up or lose your freedoms.

[bigtex501]

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics..

Nonfarm payroll employment continued to decline in September (-263,000), and the unemployment rate 9.8% (15.1 million) continued to trend up, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The largest job losses were in construction, manufacturing, retail trade, and government.

TOTAL UNEMPLOYMENT....

now stands at 16.8% of the civilian population or 39.66 million people.

Of those that can't afford to get H.C. insurance..

HOW MANY are DUE to NO JOBS?

[bigtex501]

VOTERS **CONTINUE** TO TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE THAN DEMOCRATS on all 10 key electoral issues! 46% to 40% on HEALTH CARE!!!! 50% to 35% on TAXES!!!! 49% to 35% on the Economy 54% to 35% on National Security 50% to 31% on Iraq 45% to 37% on Social Security 43% to 38% on Education 47% to 35% on Abortion 42% would vote for Republican congressional candidate while 37% would for his or her Democratic opponent!

[bigtex501]

TODAY'S POLLS!

-13 obamer approval index!

52% DISAPPROVE of obamer & ONLY 46% approve!

JUST 15% of voters NOW GIVE CONGRESS good or excellent ratings

54% OPPOSE the "PELOSI HEALTH CARE Plan"!

(42% **STRONGLY** OPPOSE "THE PELOSI Plan"!)

72% say H.C. Plan LIKELY to shift employees from PRIVATE ins. to the GOVERNMENT PLAN!!!

63% of voters nationwide say...

"Guaranteeing that NO ONE is FORCED to change their H.C coverage is a HIGHER PRIORITY than giving choice of a "PUBLIC OPTION"!!!

[bigtex501]

Wall Street Journal

Nancy Pelosi admits that Democrats may have to **impose** a HUGE NEW TAX (VAT or NATIONAL SALES TAX) to fund their spending ambitions!

With a $9 trillion 10-year budget deficit, $4 trillion in spending in 2010 alone, & a $1 trillion (minimum) health-care entitlement, Pelosi & Dems are suggesting ADDING a Value Added Tax on TOP of existing TAXES that applies to every level of production or service, & is largely **hidden** from those who ultimately pay it...namely, CONSUMERS!

[Bishop153]

1.5% per year? I'm gonna have to buy some moneybags to hold all the cash! nevermind the fact that the money will probably be worth more as scrap paper soon at the rate these lunatics in washington/NY have been printing it the past couple years.

[maximouni]

Fox is the only news cast that ask real questions. Not like the other "Saty with the program" of the so called news world that fell they need to suck up to this administration or they won't get an interview from this administration.

[EnhancementSmoker]

how is this a gotcha video?

its pretty clear what hes saying. The rise of health care costs, primarily insurance premiums and deductables is increasing so fast that the most you can hope to achieve is to slow down that increase...

And the CBO shows that a public option would slow the cost increase

its clearly better than the status quo, which as we all know, would just lead to rising costs at the same or faster rate...

how is that not evident from the conversation they just had?

[lrlpercy]

If you have to ask then you do not want to see.

Obama said many times that by passing this healthcare bill will lower costs but i bet i'm talking to a wall about now.

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

Then again, he also said the recession was over and then 9 banks failed days later.

[micontrols]

You really should have watched the hearings and listened to what the CBO actually said.

What they scored is what the Democrats actually gave them to score. What was left out?

Sentences such as "Such funds as is necessary" that shows up 3 times in the bill.

The CBO, when questioned, admitted that there was really no way to score what they were given realistically.

Shame that you relied on what you were told rather than what really happened.

The "status Quo" is a straw man argument.

[Daniel44125]

we should make this go viral

[shameless196]

now theres a real shocker