Reverend, you are missing a very important aspect of the passage from which you are attempting to explain. The passage you site is from Acts Chapter 2. St. Peter did call on all to repent, but he also instructed his fellow apostles to go throughout the world, baptizing for the remission of sins. Not simply just "repenting" and saying "I'm sorry". St. Peter shows us that repentance and baptism is the process under which we must submit to be truly forgiven.
@samanderson78 Baptism was added as an ordinance of righteousness when John the Baptist began to preach. Jesus was baptized to fulfill that righteous ordinance. All Christians should fulfill it. But you do know the thief on the cross was forgiven and saved, but not baptized. This shows that baptism is not absolutely necessary for forgiveness. Also Cornelious was filled with the Holy Ghost before Baptism. He had to be forgiven, washed in the blood, before he could be FILLED with the Spirit.
By the way, I beg of you not to take our discussion as me trying to rebuke you or anything. I'm simply trying to share and learn as well. I have nothing but love for you my brother and we are both marching to the same prize. I just wanted to clarify that with you that there is no intended argumentativeness. Sometimes the way I word things can make it sound like that when I don't mean to.
@singingcowboy674 I understand, iron sharpens iron. We should be able to discuss our understanding of Scripture, learn what we can, hold fast to the truth. Flee from error, yet be gentle to all men; because the servant of God mustn't strive.
Forfiture of one's reward due to unrepentant sin in a saved person's life I agree with, but I can't fathom the forfiture of one's total inheritance. Now, I do agree that until you give it ALL over to the Lord when you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit (not the generic definition of conviction but the conviction that the Holy Spirit works in a man's heart when it comes his appointed hour to come to know the Master), that that can hinder you from being saved. Again, I may be misuderstaning.
I get the idea from your message that what you are saying is even those whom God is smiling upon, those who have found grace, those who TRULY have recieved Christ precious and find Him precious to their never dying soul, is bound for hell if you die in your sleep with any unrepented of sin from say the day before. Am I wrong in my understanding of your words? I love and appreciate the gospel. I love and appreciate your willingness to preach in power and Spirit, but we disagree on this point.
@singingcowboy674 Unconfessed and Unrepentent Sin can grieve away the Holy Spirit; Continuing in wilful sin is a sure sign one is not walking in the faith.
@martinthezman I agree to an extent but with a slightly different understanding. As humans it is sometimes difficult to recognize the sin in our life to repent for from day to day. Things that slip out or slip by without thought. Maybe you are speaking of what I would call blatant sin. When you speak of grieving the Spirit away, I get the impression you are using it in the context of losing ones salvation which is where we disagree. Grieving the Spirit away to me is to get to the point where you
@singingcowboy674 Yes, blatant, known sin. To continue in it, to ignore the Spirit and the chasten rod is very dangerous. If you are speaking of the "ELECT" being lost, I know they can't. But people can "Believe for a while", Taste the wordof God and the heavenly gift, become partakers of the Spirit, escape the corruption of the world, walk in the way of righteousness, and then finally fall away, becoming reprobate. They stop trusting, and they die lost. That is the simple Biblical teaching.
@martinthezman Ok, I suppose I can see where you are coming from there. But I would argue that without being an "elect" you cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven in the first place. Many believe themselves to be elect out of deception. The sinner's prayer crowd. So, even if someone plays the part, if they have not made their salvation sure by putting on the blood of Christ, they can't get in anyway. Unless God sees fit to correct in the last days. If you get right down to it, the ELECT are the
@singingcowboy674 Remember the parable of the sower? The bird steals the word lest the hearers believe and are saved. The rocky soil are hearers who receive the word and believe [thus what we would call 'saved'] but they believe but for a while and fall away. Those in the thorns also must receive the word and believe because they grow, but are choked and bring forth no fruit. Only the good ground people receive it, believe it unto the end, and bring forth fruit. The Good Soil reps the Elect.
@martinthezman are no longer in fellowship with the Holy Spirit and God takes that closeness, that harmony with Him away. And I agree God can take away your witness. However in a truly saved person to start with, I don't agree that because of stubbornness of spirit in nagging sin that we may struggle with from day to day that Christ will up and say "adios" from the heart He sat up an abode in. When He says nothing can separate you from Me or rip you from My hand, it's all inclusive I believe.
@martinthezman And I'd agree that continuing in willful sin can at least be a predominant indicator of the condition of one's soul, and, an indicator of the CLOSENESS of their walk, I don't believe it's the sole indicator. We must not forget that once we are redeemed, the enemy sends his minions to tempt us, trip us, and otherwise hamper our walk with the Savior. Often times there is demonic influence causing one to continue in sin. But Christ is aware of all our struggles and short comings.
It ain't love either! Have you repented for putting your ugly mug on this video? Obviously not! Repent! Repent! Repent!
vanriver09 11 months ago
Reverend, you are missing a very important aspect of the passage from which you are attempting to explain. The passage you site is from Acts Chapter 2. St. Peter did call on all to repent, but he also instructed his fellow apostles to go throughout the world, baptizing for the remission of sins. Not simply just "repenting" and saying "I'm sorry". St. Peter shows us that repentance and baptism is the process under which we must submit to be truly forgiven.
samanderson78 1 year ago
@samanderson78 Baptism was added as an ordinance of righteousness when John the Baptist began to preach. Jesus was baptized to fulfill that righteous ordinance. All Christians should fulfill it. But you do know the thief on the cross was forgiven and saved, but not baptized. This shows that baptism is not absolutely necessary for forgiveness. Also Cornelious was filled with the Holy Ghost before Baptism. He had to be forgiven, washed in the blood, before he could be FILLED with the Spirit.
martinthezman 1 year ago
By the way, I beg of you not to take our discussion as me trying to rebuke you or anything. I'm simply trying to share and learn as well. I have nothing but love for you my brother and we are both marching to the same prize. I just wanted to clarify that with you that there is no intended argumentativeness. Sometimes the way I word things can make it sound like that when I don't mean to.
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
@singingcowboy674 I understand, iron sharpens iron. We should be able to discuss our understanding of Scripture, learn what we can, hold fast to the truth. Flee from error, yet be gentle to all men; because the servant of God mustn't strive.
martinthezman 1 year ago
Forfiture of one's reward due to unrepentant sin in a saved person's life I agree with, but I can't fathom the forfiture of one's total inheritance. Now, I do agree that until you give it ALL over to the Lord when you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit (not the generic definition of conviction but the conviction that the Holy Spirit works in a man's heart when it comes his appointed hour to come to know the Master), that that can hinder you from being saved. Again, I may be misuderstaning.
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
I get the idea from your message that what you are saying is even those whom God is smiling upon, those who have found grace, those who TRULY have recieved Christ precious and find Him precious to their never dying soul, is bound for hell if you die in your sleep with any unrepented of sin from say the day before. Am I wrong in my understanding of your words? I love and appreciate the gospel. I love and appreciate your willingness to preach in power and Spirit, but we disagree on this point.
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
@singingcowboy674 Unconfessed and Unrepentent Sin can grieve away the Holy Spirit; Continuing in wilful sin is a sure sign one is not walking in the faith.
martinthezman 1 year ago
@martinthezman I agree to an extent but with a slightly different understanding. As humans it is sometimes difficult to recognize the sin in our life to repent for from day to day. Things that slip out or slip by without thought. Maybe you are speaking of what I would call blatant sin. When you speak of grieving the Spirit away, I get the impression you are using it in the context of losing ones salvation which is where we disagree. Grieving the Spirit away to me is to get to the point where you
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
@singingcowboy674 Yes, blatant, known sin. To continue in it, to ignore the Spirit and the chasten rod is very dangerous. If you are speaking of the "ELECT" being lost, I know they can't. But people can "Believe for a while", Taste the wordof God and the heavenly gift, become partakers of the Spirit, escape the corruption of the world, walk in the way of righteousness, and then finally fall away, becoming reprobate. They stop trusting, and they die lost. That is the simple Biblical teaching.
martinthezman 1 year ago
@martinthezman Ok, I suppose I can see where you are coming from there. But I would argue that without being an "elect" you cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven in the first place. Many believe themselves to be elect out of deception. The sinner's prayer crowd. So, even if someone plays the part, if they have not made their salvation sure by putting on the blood of Christ, they can't get in anyway. Unless God sees fit to correct in the last days. If you get right down to it, the ELECT are the
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
@singingcowboy674 Remember the parable of the sower? The bird steals the word lest the hearers believe and are saved. The rocky soil are hearers who receive the word and believe [thus what we would call 'saved'] but they believe but for a while and fall away. Those in the thorns also must receive the word and believe because they grow, but are choked and bring forth no fruit. Only the good ground people receive it, believe it unto the end, and bring forth fruit. The Good Soil reps the Elect.
martinthezman 1 year ago
@martinthezman saved in the first place. I think our departure in thinking has been brought together, or closed. Thank you for the dialog.
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
@martinthezman are no longer in fellowship with the Holy Spirit and God takes that closeness, that harmony with Him away. And I agree God can take away your witness. However in a truly saved person to start with, I don't agree that because of stubbornness of spirit in nagging sin that we may struggle with from day to day that Christ will up and say "adios" from the heart He sat up an abode in. When He says nothing can separate you from Me or rip you from My hand, it's all inclusive I believe.
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
@martinthezman And I'd agree that continuing in willful sin can at least be a predominant indicator of the condition of one's soul, and, an indicator of the CLOSENESS of their walk, I don't believe it's the sole indicator. We must not forget that once we are redeemed, the enemy sends his minions to tempt us, trip us, and otherwise hamper our walk with the Savior. Often times there is demonic influence causing one to continue in sin. But Christ is aware of all our struggles and short comings.
singingcowboy674 1 year ago
Amen.
incognitus101x 1 year ago
Good message! I will put in my favorite! much needed message! Jesus bless you!
jesusiloveyou2 1 year ago
sobering words indeed
Formertelecomguy 1 year ago