@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER UNIA was integral part of Garvey's "quest" for all African people. It is to this day the largest Pan African organisation ever created.What Garvey came back to Jamaica and started a KFC? Farrakhan did not have to say it directly, it was implied. Save such "reasoning" for arabized simpleton negroes.
@henchman696 and Garvey learned of Africa, its culture, and it's administration under colonial rule from Duse Mohammad, who again, was the editor of a Pan African-Asian journal, whom Garvey worked for. And you wish to debate that none of this had an influence on Garvey? And sadly, you were the only person that did any simpleton 'reasoning' because no 'pan africanism' was ever stated by Farrakhan in this video. You simply reached for something that was never there to begin with.
WTF is this dude claiming that deuce Muhammad inspired Marcus Garvey? Deuce Muhammad was not about Pan Africanism. Besides Garvey said he became inspired when he read Booker T Washington's Up From Slavery. In fact Garvey's first visit to America was that he wanted to get Washington to help him set up a Tuskegee Institute in Jamaica. I disappointed that Farrakhan would attempt to "Arabize" one the greatest Pan African Movement in history.
@henchman696 Duse Mohammad Ali was the Editor of 'African Times and Orient Review', and that journal advocated Pan African-Asian nationalism. And yes he did have an influence on Marcus Garvey as Garvey worked for Duse. Minister Farrkhan didnt 'Arabize' Marcus Garvey, he simply said more or less that Duse was an influence.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER He said "notice the name Mohammed" then stated that Garvey then went back to Jamaica and started the UNIA.The not too subtle suggestion is that Garvey was a "virgin" to Pan Africanism until he met Mohammed, which would be furthest from the truth. I studied Communications and Linguist, my specialty was in propaganda. So you need to try again with "he simply said more or less that Duse was an influence" line.
@henchman696 LOL! Where did Minister Farrakhan say anything about Garvey's 'Pan Africanism' in this video? All he said is Garvey came back to Jamaica from England and 'began his quest for the black man'. You read way too deep in this video for something that was never said. Duse's influence on Garvey stimulated a deep interest in learning about Africa and Garvey learned a great deal about Africa through Duse. That is just a fact.
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@dwolfe71 Master Fard Muhammad's father was a black man, his mother was caucasian. Ethnically, that is the same make up of Barack Obama, and he is definitely not white. Fard's father wanted him to look like that so that Fard could come among black people at the time he had and raise black people up with the knowledge of themselves. Had Fard came as a jet solid black man, teaching what he was teaching, he would have been shot on sight, lol.
It's not about the religion or the man.... It's about the truth plain and simple.....I'm not religious but I know the truth when I hear it and most of our brothers and sisters who are not completely brain dead with calcified pineal glands know the truth too.....RIZE MY PEOPLE AND GET KNOWLEDGE OF SELF ..everything this cave beast has taught us is a LIE and when I say EVERYTHING ABOUT US i mean EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!!!!
Thank U, Brother Minister! I put this question to the brothers about producing jobs for their own women. Until that happens, can we truly call ourselves men? I posed this question to one brother, and he said he enjoyed those benefits his wife was receiving from Bank of America! That is our challenge as men in the 21st century.....
this preacher (farrakhan) of ignorance / hate is an expert in pumping up the weak minded audience and manipulating them to donate lots of cash. the donors never receive specific financial statements addressing the brake of their donation(SUCKERS).sorry NOI. i do not buy "allah in the person of fard" dogma.
hey farrakhan. do the chemicals that u put on your hair (black hair type) to turn into a WHITE hair type (straight) burn your scalp? i wonder if he's going to remove his nose type as well
@afterray Institutional racism against black people in America is a reality. There is no mind manipulation needed to make black people see the glaring truth of this issue. Whites such as yourself are totally oblivious to this fact. Really, you are more dangerous than Farrakhan because as this institutional racism festers, you do absolutely nothing to combat it except try to promote a false love that does nothing to solve the problem that continues to affect blacks in America
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "Whites such as yourself" is poof that YOU are too hasty to point the finger at a particular race (by the way. i'm not white. nice try).
i could image that your poor judgment about "my race" is derived from my views about farrakhan / NOI's weakness. well, u need to WAKE UP and realized that any criticism towards the NOI and their racist / pathetic religious views doesn't imply that the commenter is of the opposite race. come on now. that's plain ignorance.
@afterray I am talking to a specific person, YOU, not a race. You have the mentality of a racist white man that is ignorant of institutional racism. Doesnt matter your ethnicity, you think like a racist whiteman. You can criticize the views of the noi all you want, just as I can criticize your opinions. Farrakhan speaks to the ills of this institutional racist society and you have yet to even address it or condemn it. Thats what a racist whiteman does and you are definitely acting in character
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER again. u are hasting to point ur dirty finger at a race. here's more proof of ur contradictory sickness: " Doesnt matter your ethnicity, you think like a racist whiteman." come on now, ur views are twisted.
true. there are lots of impracticalities / institutional racism etc., towards the color of the skin / culture / religion etc., but u should practice what u preach. ur leaders leader (elijah.m) was a hard core racist slime. in essence (mind) , just like the KKK.
@afterray Marcus Garvey fought for the upliftment of Blacks, yet there was a black agent who was working for J Edgar Hoover that infiltrated Garvey's organization and worked to discredit him. That black agent thought like a racist whiteman, destroying his own to uphold white supremecy. You have that same sellout, white mentality. As far as the KKK, they killed untold numbers of black people, Elijah Muhammad & NOI didnt kill any whites. Your comparison is off base because of unequal criteria
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER ure wrong. a particular negative thought is not derived from a race (this is ur racism trying to pleased itself). if ure going to respond to my posts, u need to re-read my point. in my prior post, i noted tht in ESSENCE (mind) the NOI is just like the KKK. in other words, both slime movements practice / believe in racism. these groups are polluted. the history of a particular race doesn't justify tht thy are all evil. ths poor thking and u need to realize tht.
@afterray Action proceeds from thought, if these 2 organizations were the same in mind, then their actions would be similar. KKK has murdered untold numbers of Blacks to uphold white supremecy while the NOI has no history of killing whites. NOI have cleaned up black men and turned them into upstanding citizens. KKK killed Medgar Evers. Show me where the NOI killed any prominent whites. Your reasoning is flawed.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "Action proceeds from thought" u should wonder why the leader of ur leader ( elijah.m) agenda of a separated / segregated state NEVER happened (n never will). ur racists mind is blocking from seeing my point. AGAIN: in ESSENCE (mind) the NOI is like the KKK. what triggered the actions of the KKK? (ignorance). why are the members of the NOI racist? (ignorance). in ESSENCE (mind) they (NOI / KKK) are ignorant (i'm not talking about actions. got it)
@afterray What racist acts have the NOI committed against whites? None. What racist acts have the KKK committed against Blacks? Too many to write in this limited space. If the essence of these 2 groups were the same then their actions would be equivalent, and they are not. Your point is flawed. The KKK was formed during Reconstruction to prohibit blacks from exercising their rights. The NOI formed to teach black people in Ameica the knowledge of themselves. 2 totally different agendas.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "The NOI formed to teach black people" that in order to get into their desperate minds, elijah.m (impostor) claimed to hve encountered "allah in the person of fard" to liberate the suffering blacks. malcolm.x was a member, then he made an immediate reversal from the NOI. u shld research why mx left the noi. u shld wonder why ur IDOLs (elijah.m) son (wdm) said (youtube) tht his father was SCARED of malcolm's departure. do the NOI teaches WHY elijah.m was SCARED?
@afterray I like in your summation of Malcolm's history that you wisely left out the point that the belief of "allah in the person of fard" changed malcolm from a junkie thief into a scholar that could speak at Harvard. Nothing else produced that change but Master Fard Muhammad. That belief brought him to prominence, not whatever view he had after he left. Malcolm was in the NOI over 10 years, there was no 'immediate reversal'. Stop trying to 'whitewash' his history, lol
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER first of all. malcolm was the one to accept the teachings of elijag.m and the fake "allah in the person of fard". the ultimate decision was his, NOT em's.
AFTER his pilgrimage, he realized that his ultimate decision of following em / dogma was a false, tha's were the immediate (psychological) reversal form the black muslim movement occurred. by the way, the canon of islam doesn't address practicing muslim by their race.
@afterray Whatever Malcolm decided to do after he left the NOI is irrelevant to the fact that if he did not believe in Fard Muhammad and do the work that he did in the NOI, then he would have never came to prominence. As much as it pains you to admit that, it is the glaring truth. Of course his initial decision to join the NOI was his and his alone, nowhere in my comments did I ever say it wasnt. We should probably move this convo of ours to messaging because writing in comments is limiting
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER come on now. the REASON why he left the NOI is of most important. " my thinking was broadened!" p.369 auto. plain English. the NOI narrowed his perspectives ( theology / sociology / philosophy)
the dogma of "allah in the person of fard" was erased (and probably laugh at by hassoun (orthodox islam scholar tht was to come to the usa and teach mx the difference bwt pity thought and orthodoxy p. 458-59 auto ) i cld imagine ur IDOL (elijah) being petrified of being EXPOSED.
@afterray You need to read that section again. Malcolm's pilgrimage in his eyes 'broadened his scope' but its not the reason why he left the NOI. He did not like The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taking wives and not being public about it, that is what Malcolm described as the 'major blow' in shattering his faith(pg 312). When agents in the NOI began circulating 'Death order' rumors to Malcolm, he said he had arrived at his 'psycological divorce from the Nation' (pg 316). he was out NOI before Hajj
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER to say that the reason why malcolm (rip) left the NOI was because elijah .m had wifes' and didn't disclose it is poor thinking. perhaps try / think that malcolm was furious about his so-called leader having sexual relation with teenage girls (youtube).
the pilgrimage forced him to see that there is not such thing as an isolated black muslim. a muslim is a muslim (black / white / hispanic etc.)
@afterray '.to say that the reason why malcolm left the NOI was because elijah had wifes' and didn't disclose it is poor thinking...' Well, if you read his Autobiography, he said it right on pg 312. Those are Malcolm's words, not my own. Malcolm had already seen white muslims when he went to Arabia in 1959. He knew there were whites in islam previous to his hajj. None of the wives that Elijah had children with were under the age of 18, Malcolm said teenage girls to paint Elijah as a pedophile
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER true. the "major blow" p.312 was of the prime influence of his feelings being shattered. we must not lose sight that his feelings were absolutely right. his (your idol) leader (elijah.m) betrayed him / the members and the movement. whenever the head of an organization contradicts its principles, the foundation will start to crack and distrust will arise (falsehood will always show leaks for the open eyes). the age of the girls is irrelevant. your IDOL (em) is guilty..
@afterray In Islam a man may have more than one wife, so by Islamic standards there was no adultery. Malcolm knew this and even told laborers that he could defend the Honorable Elijah Muhammad by the Quran. The principles of the NOI are based on Islam, so there is no contradiction since Islam sanctions it. None of the women were younger than 18. You can see the wives of Elijah Muhammad speak about being taken as wives here: / watch?v=7KCni7e8eLY (<- put 'youtube(dot)com' before it)
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "In Islam a man may have more than one wife." the word is polygamy. mx was hurt because he know that his so-called leader practiced adultery (polygamy and adultery are not the same). if u think tht islam sanctions adultery, ure mistaken.
u see. the reason why your IDOL said " i had to" p. 305 is overt to his adultery act, NOT polygamy. why? BECAUSE david / noah / lot wee adulterers.
it possible tht your guilty IDOL married AFTER the guilt....
@afterray Abraham, David, and Lot were all Patriarchs of the God of the Bible, regardless of how you view their domestic affairs. If they as Patriarchs of God, could father children by other women and still be regarded by God as his righteous, then obviously your view of this matter is not the same as God's in regard to his messengers. In truth, you do not know when Elijah Muhammad took these women as wives and you are again, speaking from speculation about that which you do not know.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER true. "Patriarchs of the God" have unique qualities. BUT, they can not practice adultery then turn around and claim polygamy. the stories of david / lot are disgusting. anyone that uses these stories to justified adultery p. 305 (auto bio of malcolm) is just as disgusting. yes. i speculate that ur IDOL (elijah) abused these girls JUST like when he mentally abused his OWN SON (youtube: elijah.m lied about w fard homahham). my speculation becomes VIVID !
@afterray Just as long as you admit that you are speculating, we both are in agreement that it is just that: speculation. Nothing backed by fact. What I said is verified out of the mouths of the wives of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
i theorize that ur IDOL married after his guilty act of adultery. why? on p. 303, malcolm "heard their stories" (not to be confused with the inside job of destruction caused by the cointelpro.) they (the girls) TOLD him who "fathered their children". it's conspicuous that there's NO mention of polygamy. would they not have been overwhelm to be the wife(s) of the "mighty man"? what keep them back from telling this to malcolm? did they not tell him how elijah admires him / back stabbed him?
@afterray Again your 'theorizing' is based on your poor speculation. The wives of Elijah Muhammad explain what happened in the video that I gave you the address for. Listen to the story from their own lips. Put 'wives of elijah muhammad speak' in your youtube search browser and watch the videos
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER it's not as easy to accept their (wifes) claim at face value. why? because there is a possibility that elijah. offered polygamy AFTER his adultery (before YOU (RD) scream out wolf. hear my views first. OH. by the way, the world of science is based on theory). when your IDOL (elijah.m) put fear / threatened his OWN SON (YOUTUBE: elijah.m. lied about w.fard mohammad). i (logically) connect his (elijah's) disgusting thinking to his adultery and then polygamy (to save his butt)
@afterray All science is not based on theory. Plants transform light into food through photosynthesis, that is fact. Blood consists of cells, that is fact. That is an erroneous stantement you just made and its reflective of how how poorly you speculate on that which you do not know. Now here is truth, you have no idea when Elijah Muhammad took these women as wives because neither he or his wives ever made that public until that video which I showed you. A Muslim man may have more than one wife
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER come on now. i never "all science" (by the way. BEFORE a science becomes a fact, it's a hypotheses ( THEORY)).
if you want to know about speculation and the "truth" (as you swear to have it), i suggested you look up
YOUTUBE : Proof that master fard mohammad is not god.
more food for your brain. YOUTUBE: anton bartley vs. michael x of the nation of islam. it's pathetic how people like you believe that a human created the sun.
@afterray You said the world of science is based on theory, the entirety of it is not. That is another erroneous statement you made which was probably based off some of your acute 'speculation'. Where in the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad does it say that about the sun? Please show me where in Elijah's work it says that. Ive posted all of your poorly speculated views that were not based on any solid fact. Why would you think I wouldnt continue to post them? lol
@Originalman320 No he doesnt. His own research was very poor. I pointed out to him that Malcolm said that the major blow in his leaving the NOI was the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taking wives and I even provided the page number in the book. Afterray claimed it was 'Poor thinking'. Then later after he went back and researched it he accepted it. He spoke out of misguided speculation and not from substantiated truth.
Actually, Malcolm didn't choose to leave the NOI in the first place, he was kicked out by the high ranking officials within the Nation unofficially, and they used Malcolm's speech concerning JFK's death and his silencing as a reason to kick him out.
@NSnake91 Yes. Malcolm said that John Ali was the one responsible for getting him out the NOI. The same John Ali that was later found out to be an FBI agent working for Hoover's COINTELPRO program. On his deathbed, John Ali confessed to firebombing Malcolm's house. Hoover had many black agents in the NOI working to disrupt it by whatever deceptive means that they could.
@dollarbill125 When people are approaching death, it seems that many feel they have to confess all the things that they have been carrying with them thats been bothering their conscience. Thats probably why many people ask for priets to confess their sins and seek absolvement
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER (YOUTUBE: elijah.m. lied about w.fard mohammad) anyone with a sane brain will acknowledge that whenever a father intends to separate / threaten a normal son from the parents, that type of thinking is despicable (my the way. the courts could have overruled ur IDOLs poor thinking). so. if ur IDOL could threaten his own son, i think that it's reasonable without a doubt that he committed adultery and said NOTHING about polygamy. p. 305.
@afterray does not the bible say 'Cast out the scorner, and contention will depart'? If you knew your bible and Quran you would know that they say that even your children may be a trial for you and that they can divert you from walking the path of God. Warith caused the fall of the NOI when he was made leader. By Allah's grace Minister Farrakhan brought it back. Malcolm died in 1965 and never fully knew the entire story, so quoting him is futile. Elijah's wives told you in full in that video
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted : "does not the bible say 'Cast out the scorner, and contention will depart'?" if you are going to quote, i think that it would be helpful to be specific ( i need book / chapter and verse. you better then that.)
the "major blow" was justified and it reinforced / reminded him that the organization was envious / malicious p. 296-287. the members become more / more jealousy towards him p.298-299. the psychology becomes overt when a people / group is filled with malice. malcolm (rip) smelled death approaching him WITHIN the movement p. 300
elijah.m was GUILTY of adultery. his poor excuse p. 305 is obviously a nice way out. the story of david / noah / lot are like pornography. FILTH! not for kids.
@afterray The death rumor's were spread by agents of J Edgar Hoover. Cointelpro's objective is to destroy black organizations using whatever deceptive methods that may achieve this objective. They send agents to infiltrate organizations and spread rumors, use covert action, in order to put members at odds with each other. This is what happened to Malcolm. In this video, a scholar explains the deceptive lettering scheme the FBI used to rouse enmity: / watch?v=gzAgg-2eQ9k (he speaks @ 3:34)
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER i understand the trickery / motives of the cointelpro. HOWEVER, when malcolm explicitly says that one of his "CLOSE assistant (S)" have been ordered (NOT by the cointelpro) to KILL him p. 315. this equation simplifies itself when the 3 possibilities of his death p. 312 are read. keep in mind tht ur IDOLS son (herbert) was blocking malcolm's profound speeches from being circulated among the movement.p.298 why? he/members were jealous of his international recognition.
@afterray Again, fraudulent letters that were painting a false view of Malcolm's aspirations of taking over the NOI were circulated by cointelpro to achieve such effect. Blaming deceived men for their acts is pointless when they were all being mislead by the arch-deceiver who had agents throughout the NOI fanning these very flames of jealousy. We know now that John Ali, NOI secretary, was an agent of the FBI. Malcolm said himself that John had been responsible for his being ousted from the NOI
"the ugly rumors" p. 302 about your idol (elijah.m) was reality telling malcolm that his so-called leader has disgracefully fallen to the ground. also. anyone with a sound mind will understand the reason why elijah. m did not gather all of his gullible pupils and disclose his poor "justified" reason behind adultery. true he was ill. but, after the actually adultery took place, he could have inform them.
it's SAD to think that i bet elijah.m persuaded these ignorant girls with his bible trick.
@afterray Elijah is Allah's messenger. No trickery or deception has ever raised men from the gutter of debauchery and cleaned them up to be God-fearing, respecting, intelligent people with good morals. Only God can do that. Again, in Islam, a Muslim man may have more than one wife. Prophet Muhammad of 1400 years ago and men in his community had more than one as well, so there is no trickery or deception. It is right there substantiated in the history of Islam.
when malcolm went to Chicago to meet elijah's son (wallace) "the son with the MOST OBJECTIVE outlook" p. 303 hmmm. OBJECTIVE ! well, it doesn't imply to his father being a adulterer. why? because wallace would have told malcolm about polygamy (he DID NOT). it's clear that wallace didn't favor his fathers views about theism. "allah in the person of fard" is incongruous with the canon of islam. do you every wonder why?
@afterray Wallace had always leaned toward the orthodox view of Islam. He was educated to do such. That was never a secret. This is why The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave instruction that Minister Farrakhan should sit in his chair and be the one that the people should listen to. The belief in a Corporeal Allah is in the history of Islam, can be found in Prophet Muhammad's community, and is known to those who are well researched in the matter. So it is not 'incongruous with the canon of islam'
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "So it is not 'incongruous with the canon of islam'" come on now. ur IDOL (elijah) used the quran / bible to justified many of his spurious concepts that are contrary to both cannons. can't u see that?
@afterray It says right in the 4th surah of the Quran that a Muslim man (which Elijah was) may take more than one wife. Elijah's wives told you in the video that he took them AS WIVES. Case closed
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER who burned the house tht malcolm x was living in? who made threatening phones calls to his innocent family? why did malcolm.x say : "i'm probably a dead man" (AFTER leaving the NOI) ? who was elijah mohammad SCARED of malcolm?
THEN the assassination. who do u think killed malcolm? (OR do u think tht he killed himself)
there was a REASON why mx dumped the NOI. do u know tht reason?
@afterray '..he said that he was going to state that he had been hasty to accuse the Black Muslims of bombing his home. "Things have happened since that are bigger than what they can do. I know what they can do. Things have gone beyond that" - Malcolm X. The Autobiography of Malcolm X, pg 440. Elijah ordered the NOI to leave Malcolm alone. J Edgar Hoover killed Malcolm X, like he killed Martin Luther King. Any Black leaders that fit the 'Black messiah' role, Cointelpro wanted them dead
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER basically, what's being read is that if the black musilms wanted his house burned, they would have done a real job. "Things have gone beyond that" it's also just as important to read into the lines of "I know what they [ BLACK muslims ] can do"... THEN "sixteen shotgun bullets or revolver slugs hit him" p.443 horrible!
hmm "i (malcolm) know what they (black muslims) can do" then he was assassinated. the connected dots are telling.
@afterray Malcolm was poisoned in Africa prior to him making that statement. His stomach had to be pumped. With the agents also following him in his overseas trip, that is what made him realize that more powerful 'forces' were at work. There is a video on youtube where a scholar is talking about how Gene Roberts, one of the agents that worked for Hoover, saw the other agents rehearsing the shooting in the Audobon earlier. Yet Agent Roberts never reported this to Malcolm. NOI wasnt involved
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER did u not noticed my noted of: in essence (mind) the NOI / KKK are the same. do u not see the word essence? do u know wht it means? u shld look it up. here's some hlp.ie., two little boys. 1 steals a candy and the other steals an air plane. which one is guilty?
"Show me where the NOI killed any prominent whites." oh, one has to be prominent. come on now.
whn mx left the NOI, ur idol (elijah.m) was scared. why should he...THEN the threats came to mx and THEN the assassination.
@afterray Thank you but I know what essence means. You equated essence and mind together in your previous post. Thought comes from the mind. The KKK uphold white supremecy by using violence against blacks. The NOI teach knowledge of self to blacks. The NOI do not attack whites. If the mind of these 2 groups were the same then the NOI would use violence to uphold a black supremecy, and they do not. Elijah didnt fear Malcolm, Malcolm left the NOI with a following too small to compare to Elijah's
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER " my comments are REAL. do YOUSELF a favor, re-read my views before allowing posting. i know, many are afraid that faffakhan / NOI / FOI is being exposed.
@afterray Your petty views have done nothing to hinder the NOI. It is hilarious that you are pompous enough to even think that they could. NOI has been established since 1930 and it will be here long after you depart. You should look up 'Farrakhan world friendship tour' on youtube and see how much your petty perspective has done to hinder the NOI's progress, lol.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER my objectives are not to "hinder the NOI". it's to demonstrate that in actuality, this movement (NOI) is talk the talk ( U want to see some REAL action / change sociological UN-fairness. please, put the "million man (OR woman (sexism)) march" to the side and pay attention the the REAL people of cairo. these people mean business. they KNOW what it takes to compel a government to make a REAL change. these people define change / power. ur NOI defines entertainment / weakness
@afterray The circumstances of the people of Cairo are totally unlike the circumstances of Black people in America. I respect the people of Cairo's efforts though
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER obviously. however, because ur leader (farrakhan) is soooo "right" in all of his speeches. what's holding him back from organizing a REAL march (not "the million man march". that was actually entertainment for this govt) that will bring a REAL change of the many of injustices on the people (NOT just blacks. the people means ALL races ! ) by the sickness tht still creeps in this society. u need to take ur head out of the sand and realize tht the noi can NOT do it....
@afterray The poison of white supremist thought must be removed from the mind of whites as well as blacks before any true unity can happen. Your difficulty in even addressing this problem shows that we are miles away from any true unity ever happening between the 2. The NOI confronts this racism with real solutions, compared to people like you who would rather try to ignore the glaring issue while it continues to keep all divided.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER The poison of white supremist thought must be removed from the mind of whites as well as blacks before any true unity --RD
u shld practice what u preach. u are going against the teachings of ur racist IDOL (elijah.m) i hve been demonstrating tht both (NOI / KKK) views are poor / ignorant. how cld u not see tht?
"real solutions" thnks for ur humor. the "million man march" was no "real solution". in actuality, it was a sport.
@afterray I have not gone against any teachings. What I said is right in the teachings if you only knew. You are not aquainted with the teachings at all and you base what you think you know on speculation. Who said that the MMM was meant to be the solution to the problems of Black people in America? Certainly not the Minister. Please research the purpose of the march that he stated before you jump to half-cocked conclusions
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: " You are not aquainted with the teachings" first of all, i make sure tht my research is valid before expressing my arguments (i'm not about hearsay). the reason why i'm capable to express my views about elijah. m / NOI / farrakhan is because i have read / watched many of their essays. i haven't given u any specific references (elijah's books / malcolm.x / bible / quran (PROVING the NOI is a fake)) BECAUSE our arguments have only been on verbatim.
@afterray Well, respectfully, either you really were not paying attention when you were reviewing these 'essays', or you havent read a considerable amount of them because Minister Farrakhan has said in many lectures that the poison of the white supremist mentality has to be removed from the mentality of the people before any true unity can commence.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER sure. eliminate that frame of mentality from ALL of the people then have a true / purposeful march. sorry, i can't buy that. the science of a revolution (cairo / REAL march) can't wait for a false vision.
if u think that there will be a time when all of the black (in this nation or abroad) people will unit in the name of NOI and claim back the continent of africa. sorry, u need to take ur head out of the sand and see REALITY.
@afterray Your 'back to africa' wet dream that you just imagined in that previous is not the stated agenda of the NOI. Your poor research is telling once again, lol. Please do better research to correct the fallacies that you think that the NOI is about, and stop projecting.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "africa....is not the stated agenda of the NOI." the motherland that the NOI can not touch. the only thing that the NOI can do about the motherland is talk the talk.
@afterray There is nothing to 'talk the talk' about since Africa is not the agenda. Again your lack of research of the NOI is telling and you should just leave it at that before you say more that will further reveal your ignorance.
as u noted: "Who said that the MMM was meant to be the solution to the problems of Black people in America?" THANKS u. ur comment supports the reality behind the MMMs purpose. it was all about show (entertainment). that's why the Q will always remain: NOW WHAT?
the purpose. the drive. the motivation of a huge march is to let the govt know that the people demand a change. that the people (NOT JUST blacks) are the govt. etc.
what did the MMM do that's different NOW? A: NOTHING !
@afterray Incorrect. The purpose of the March that Minister Farrakhan outlined and what you claim as the purpose are totally different. You are projecting what you personally think the march 'should' have been about. Funny that you say that my comment supports the reality behind the March's purpose when YOU STILL don't even know Minister Farrakhan's stated purpose of the march. It certainly was not what you claimed. Please research it and stop speaking from poor speculation.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDERreal solutions --RD ur wishes are only wishes. u shld call farrakhan's cell and ask him if the people of cairo are REAL. whn u go to ur next NOI mting, tell ur organizers tht we shld heed the people of cairo as an example. they are the definition of CHANGE / UNITY. u see, in reality, ur IDOL / NOI / farrakhan ONLY talks the talk. u guys (NOI (at the present)) are not prepared to die for a REAL change. farrakhan pumps up his gullible members....the Q remains: NOW WHAT?
@afterray Were the people of Cairo stolen from their homeland? Brought to a strange land and robbed of the knowledge of themselves? Were they enslaved to a strange people for 300 years? Were they subjected to unspeakable acts of violence to keep them subjected to a white people that taught them to hate their black skin and worship whiteness? No! Blacks in America and the people in Cairo have 2 TOTALLY different sets of circumstances that make their situations different from one another.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER i know / understand the difference btw the people of cairo / african americans (i know black history AND the monster of exploitation)
****i have more respect for an black man (in this nation) that changed the name of his birth certificate into that of an indigenous african name, then one who swears to have an african name (YET slave name REMAINS on their birth certificate) and thinks he /she knows african history****
@afterray You may know some black history, but you obviously are not well informed on certain aspects of it, especially when I made that statement about the removal of the white supremist mentality producing true unity and you had no idea that Minister Farrakhan had said that on more than one occasion. There are some black people that have African names, and some that have American names, and they have a wealth of knowledge of black history. You dont know every black person so do not assume
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "You may know some black history, but you obviously are not well informed on certain aspects of it, especially when I made that statement about the removal of the white supremist mentality" i thk tht u shld broaden ur views just a bit. the "mentality" is no exception to the white race. u shld research the bantu race (mentality) of ehtiopia and see how these blacks look at the OTHER blacks...(talk about racism)
@afterray Can you cite examples of Bantu racism that occurred prior to the invasions of europeans into Africa? After the invasion and colonization of Africa by the european, African thought was heavily influenced by the racist ideas of the european.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER no. but the practice of sexism (another form of racism. different name) was very popular in ancient africa prior to the invasion (a black feminists will NOT approve this type of racism found in her culture. she's at the right)
@afterray Well, depending on the circumstances, some sexism could be based on racism. I wouldnt say that sexism is another form of racism in this particular case between African men and women. In my view, this falls more in the category of discrimination based on sex. Could you recommend some writings that speak more about sexism in early Africa?
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER dude. discrimination falls into the category of racism.
your question can be answered by doing research on the wed, under : sexism in ancient africa.
don't get me wrong. i'm not attacking this continent (i wish i was living in africa). i'm just showing you that one (you) can't make exceptions when addressing / insulting a particular (white people).
bottom line: racism (whatever form) is ignorance and breeds monsters.
@afterray Yessir, DISCRIMINATION does fall in the category of racism, but you said '..practice of sexism (another form of racism. different name)..' and that is where I disagree with you. Sexism is not a form of racism because the criteria of 'Sex' and 'Race' are not the same. Sexism and racism are 2 different forms of discrimination.
@afterray Would you please cite me specific examples of sexism in early Africa. In my studies of Africa, women from many different parts of the continent from earliest of times have lived exemplary lives. African women have ruled kingdoms, lead tribes. African women have even been worshipped as Gods. There were tribes that allowed African women to choose their own husband and have more than one if they so desired. What early african sexism examples are you speaking from?
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER she [african woman] wasn't a feminist, but she could have power & position if she was in the right class... --- google: woman in ancient egypt. she HAD to be in the right CLASS in order to have that privilege. remeber. the many of wonderful hieroglyphics of the woman were because of their influential class in the palace of the pharaoh.
i'm well aware and appreciate queen hatshepsut 18th dynasty. (powerful woman)
@afterray Well, Classism is a bag all of it's own. Men suffer from it as well. I appreciate African women like Queen Nzinga of the Angola region. She was a General that would lead her armies IN PERSON. And she was a very skilled military strategist, so much so that she was deemed the greatest military strategist portugal ever confronted. Queen Amanirenas, Queen Amanishaketo, Dahia al-Kahina of Mauritania, Queen Tiye, Makare Hatshepsut, Makeda....all powerful women
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "The poison of white supremist thought" look who's talking. either ur ignorant about the IDOL (elijah.m) of the NOI being a slime racist (JUST like the KKK (BOTH are racist. can't u see)) or ure a racist tht makes racial exceptions (sorry, U can't hve it both ways)
the arguments are compelling: the dogma of the NOI: "allah in the person of fard" is UN-islamic (yet the gullible members of the NOI swear to the quran). the "million man march" was meaningless....
@afterray You have to be able to deprive a person of their rights based on color in order to be Racist. For decades the KKK was able to keep black people from exercising their rights by using violence to achieve their goals. Elijah Muhammad never deprived whites from anything. The KKK upheld a white supremist system that had established 'Black Codes' and 'Jim Crow'. That is true racism. What white person was ever deprived of their rights because of the NOI or Elijah Muhammad? ZERO!
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "You have to be able to deprive a person of their rights based on color in order to be Racist." u have been mistaken. u should look up that word in dictionary. racism is triggered by many forms. the color of the skin is not the prime reason to hate / racist towards a people.
@afterray According to Steven Biko, African Freedom fighter who fought against the white supremist structure of Apartheid in Africa (And knew more about true racism than WEBSTER) he said '..Those WHO KNOW, define racism as discrimination by a group against another for the purpose of subjugation or maintaining subjugation. In other words ONE CANNOT BE RACIST UNLESS HE HAS THE POWER TO SUBJUGATE'.(pg 25. I write what I like) Elijah Muhammad never tried to subjugate any whites so he is not racist.
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER dhuu. racism is the CAUSE of any ignorance (subjugation / separation / discrimination etc). to isolate "subjugation" and say that's the etymology of racism is plain stupidity.
@afterray Every point the Minister made in this video about racism stems from white people's ability to subjugate blacks. His point about white slavemasters taking away the slave's original name and giving him their's stems from SUBJUGATION. Whites establishing and enforcing segregation stems from SUBJUGATION. Whites designating black leadership, etc.. That is the racism that is dealt with that began when Africans were brought to america against their will to be slaves, which was SUBJUGATION
subjugation (by definition) is no exception to the pointing of the finger at the europeans (true. they (among other races) practiced that word). ie., in the ancient days of AFRICAN DEMOCRACY (the 1st democracy (prior to the birth of egypt)) the chieftains used subjugation against the smaller chiefs / tribes / states for the expansion of their empire. AND you better believe it, there was lots of blood shed ( BEFORE the last quarter of the 19th century).
White war 3, This is why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said you and those who think like you are absolutely disagreeable to live with in peace so you must be removed from our planet your 6000 years of rule are up and you have done your job well
The NOI teaches Islam and the followers are Muslims. Islam means submission & peace and the NOI has minimal to no record of violence in it's history. Muslim means to submit to the will of God and the NOI members submit; all members take the Shahada; The NOI religious book is the Qu'ran; they adhere to the 5 principles of Islam (Belief in one God/Allah, Salat, fasting, zakat and Hajj to mecca). To confirm attend Jummah, Mosque Mariam. The NOI is still the NOI and under Farrakhan's guidance.
Wow, this guy really hates White people doesn't he...... This is far more racially intense than any bnp speach made by nick griffin! But nick griffin is 'racist' hmmmm also steriotiping whites as a whole
@101Undisputed nick griffin is a racist and farrakan is the product of the hate that hate produces. Remember that he is pushing 80 by now and he has seen the real deal racism. Not the dumb shit i go through to day . Maybe it is because i am black , but people like him and j.wright get a pass for there brand of ignorance and blind spots. talented man so it is a shame that he does this. he does make alot good points but ruins it with crazy talk.
@101Undisputed nick griffin is a racist and farrakan is the product of the hate that hate produces. Remember that he is pushing 80 by now and he has seen the real deal racism. Not the dumb shit i go through to day . Maybe it is because i am black , but people like him and j.wright get a pass for there brand of ignorance and blind spots. talented man so it is a shame that he does this. he does make alot of good points but ruins it with crazy talk.
@101Undisputed He is about hating oppression. Every example he used the average African American has experienced. This is what you fail to admit. This is why his message appeals to African Americans. All he seeks is self-determination like all people. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If you examine the history of African people from here to African you will see that all who stood for this have been slain or exiled from Malcolm & Martin to Garvey, Lumumba, Hampton and Aristede. & more
I swear, all that the minister is saying about some women getting a job or being hired while the men are refected the minute he walks through the door and then the Boss makes moves on her knowing she is a desperate hog, IS SO GOT DAM TRUE. that is a normal occurence in life that has been portrayed in films and something you and I have experienced at work. I've seen or heard about it first hand. Women like that are not strong, i dont care what your situation is. You got played.
jews the true faiths???? man what are you smoking ??? judaism is a sry excuse to unite men and make them feel superior to the cause of their group which is enslaving anything that is not jew. go gangbang a 10 year old girl with your rabbi like your pedophile book the torahs implies you can
this guy is the man and all the NAACP and house slave blacks know this and cant compete with this man on nothing, but shining white folks shoes. Which the Churches are good at doing
@missyouhoo there are men of all races who abuse and harass women. The point of the lecture is that black men in america need to step up and build businesses and industries for themselves to provide a future for their own people who are currently in a terrible condition trying to subsist in white america.
dont forget the "jewish culture" is false like Jesus said. and they funded the slave trade so save your BS comments for those who dont know we are the true isrealites and most of the Nazis who killed jews were jews themselves. Even Hitler who i detest said(speaking of himselfaswell) your not real jews. We are done with your false propganda
Its clear who is and who always were the ones behind racism. Not the white man at all. If the white man was always in control then its beyond me why they would deny their own white people the same rights and privledges that blacks get, especially the right to not work yet get nice things they didnt work for at the cost of our taxes.
You have to possess power in order to be racist. Racism is denying a person or persons opportunities or privileges based on ethnicity. From Jim Crow to Apartheid, whites have a long history of racism towards any people of color. It is the root of their system of white supremecy
Denying based on race? AHH. You mean like the United Negro College fund that is denied to whites, and minority scholarships when in fact worldwide whites are the minority, or dare I say Section 8 that is given to blacks who dont need it and even to blacks in my area when they already have a job making $50,000 a year while white people are flat out told that if they were black theyd get it even though the white person applying is dirt poor and actually needs it. You mean that kind of racism ?
Are you serious? These are the only examples of supposed 'racism' that you can cite? I brought up Apartheid where MILLIONS of black people died by the hands of white people in the name of white supremecy, and the only thing you can cite is the united negro college fund? LOL! All of the countless blacks that died because of Jim Crow, or trying to vote, or arrested on false charges so that they could be used in work camps for companies like the the tennessee coal iron and railroad.
Show me an instance where countless white people died at the hands of black people who were trying to deny them a God given right or opportunity and THEN you will have a reasonable example of racism. Cmon man! Section 8!?! Are you really whining over something that trifling? Ive never met a black person who was legally earning $50,000 a year and was getting section 8. Section 8 has annual reviews and you will get caught if u do that foolishness. The chance of any person doing that is improbable
Okay here is the end all be all to that nonsense. ! SHOW ME A BLACK MAN ALIVE TODAY WHOWAS EVERA SLAVE AND SHOW ME A WHITE MAN ALIVE TODAY WHO WAS EVER A SLAVE MASTER! YOU CANT! GET OVER IT AND STOP TRYING TO PROFIT FROM IT! THAMK YOU! They were more my brothers and sisters than yours. They died as Christians. Not blacks. There is no black and white in heaven because the equator does not exist in heaven. Our skin is based on our relation to earthly enviroment! They were my people. Not Islams
America is a white man's country where a white person, based on his color, will be afforded more privilages and opportunities based on his white skin, than any person of color. In america, blacks and whites are not equal, whites control everything and blacks basically subsist under their control. Christianity was beaten, raped, and whipped into those slaves. Those slaves were not your bretheren because truly, they had no choice in the matter. They had to do what the master said or face death.
The only thing that is an exceptable organization is the NAACP and they will have nothing with islam. You hate the Jewish culture just like nazis, You hate those who dont bow down to your false teachings. And you teach violence. None of you can fight one on one cause your cowards. And Allah is a fake . Hes made up. He doesnt exist. hes a creation of stupidity by savages. Hes a weak tool used to brainwash people to kill Jewish people and Christians which are the only real faiths out there.
NAACP? They are not as powerful as Minister Farrakhan, so who cares if they like islam or not. They are not credible in the black community because the community knows they're funded by white folks. They could never truly have black people's best interest at heart. Farrakhan called one million black men to washington and nearly 2 million came. Naacp can't do that, they have no power. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, even over christianity and judaism. nothing fake about that
And as far as fighting one on one goes, the NOI has Jujitsu masters within its ranks. Anthony Muhammad is one of the world's leading masters of Jujitsu. Trust me, you will be disabled in a one on one fight with that brother, LOL! We don't have to jump anyone
@nomoreliesfrom44 jews the true faiths???? man what are you smoking ??? judaism is a sry excuse to unite men and make them feel superior to the cause of their group which is enslaving anything that is not jew. go gangbang a 10 year old girl with your rabbi like your pedophile book the torahs implies you can
@nomoreliesfrom44 jews the true faiths???? man what are you smoking ??? judaism is a sry excuse to unite men and make them feel superior to the cause of their group which is enslaving anything that is not jew. go gangbang a 10 year old girl with your rabbi like your pedophile book the torahs implies you can
@nomoreliesfrom44 What kind of Fool are you to tell a black person what an acceptable organization is for black folk??? The NAACP was started by a jewish woman as an alternative to Marcus Garvey and his "Self-Reliant" teaching.....
Black people can and do. And when they dont get their way they use race. And riot. Come to DC and see how people who are dirt poor apparently druve $40,000 cars , have jobs, yet only pay $20 a month for a $1000 a month apartment and get food stamps. Look at those tent cities popping up now. YOu mostly only see white people in them. No blacks. I can prove it and I will dedicate my life to exposing this consipracy this man in the video is part of and yes it may provoke a civil war but its needed
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER UNIA was integral part of Garvey's "quest" for all African people. It is to this day the largest Pan African organisation ever created.What Garvey came back to Jamaica and started a KFC? Farrakhan did not have to say it directly, it was implied. Save such "reasoning" for arabized simpleton negroes.
henchman696 6 days ago
@henchman696 and Garvey learned of Africa, its culture, and it's administration under colonial rule from Duse Mohammad, who again, was the editor of a Pan African-Asian journal, whom Garvey worked for. And you wish to debate that none of this had an influence on Garvey? And sadly, you were the only person that did any simpleton 'reasoning' because no 'pan africanism' was ever stated by Farrakhan in this video. You simply reached for something that was never there to begin with.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 6 days ago
WTF is this dude claiming that deuce Muhammad inspired Marcus Garvey? Deuce Muhammad was not about Pan Africanism. Besides Garvey said he became inspired when he read Booker T Washington's Up From Slavery. In fact Garvey's first visit to America was that he wanted to get Washington to help him set up a Tuskegee Institute in Jamaica. I disappointed that Farrakhan would attempt to "Arabize" one the greatest Pan African Movement in history.
henchman696 6 days ago
@henchman696 Duse Mohammad Ali was the Editor of 'African Times and Orient Review', and that journal advocated Pan African-Asian nationalism. And yes he did have an influence on Marcus Garvey as Garvey worked for Duse. Minister Farrkhan didnt 'Arabize' Marcus Garvey, he simply said more or less that Duse was an influence.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 6 days ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER He said "notice the name Mohammed" then stated that Garvey then went back to Jamaica and started the UNIA.The not too subtle suggestion is that Garvey was a "virgin" to Pan Africanism until he met Mohammed, which would be furthest from the truth. I studied Communications and Linguist, my specialty was in propaganda. So you need to try again with "he simply said more or less that Duse was an influence" line.
henchman696 6 days ago
@henchman696 LOL! Where did Minister Farrakhan say anything about Garvey's 'Pan Africanism' in this video? All he said is Garvey came back to Jamaica from England and 'began his quest for the black man'. You read way too deep in this video for something that was never said. Duse's influence on Garvey stimulated a deep interest in learning about Africa and Garvey learned a great deal about Africa through Duse. That is just a fact.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 6 days ago
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MosqueNo7 1 week ago
Farrakhan is wrong about the biblical scriptures. That's out of context corruption
TheLookAtSeries 2 weeks ago
If I'm not mistaken master farad muhammed was white right???? I like farrakan but his ultimate prophet of nation of islam was white!!!
dwolfe71 3 months ago
@dwolfe71 Master Fard Muhammad's father was a black man, his mother was caucasian. Ethnically, that is the same make up of Barack Obama, and he is definitely not white. Fard's father wanted him to look like that so that Fard could come among black people at the time he had and raise black people up with the knowledge of themselves. Had Fard came as a jet solid black man, teaching what he was teaching, he would have been shot on sight, lol.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 3 months ago
It's not about the religion or the man.... It's about the truth plain and simple.....I'm not religious but I know the truth when I hear it and most of our brothers and sisters who are not completely brain dead with calcified pineal glands know the truth too.....RIZE MY PEOPLE AND GET KNOWLEDGE OF SELF ..everything this cave beast has taught us is a LIE and when I say EVERYTHING ABOUT US i mean EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!!!!
36Chik 3 months ago
All praise is due to Allah ... Quick question what is the title of this lecture? Pleae and thank you
shaheed124689 4 months ago
Alot of black women shollll need to hear this shit.
theright1allthetime 4 months ago
There are only few people in this world who speaks truth publically like this brother; I admire him for what he explain
galatiansable 5 months ago
Do you niggers know that Abe Lincoln wanted to ship all niggers back to Africa after the civil war? Too bad he was assassinated.
BobLeKatt 6 months ago
Sun killed it with the truth!!!
Maxwellpenn 6 months ago
Love this guy, always talks the truth
Priceless2124 6 months ago 5
You killed our holy prophet Malcom with words, Mr. Farrakhan.
abitatx 8 months ago
@abitatx J Edgar Hoover killed Malcolm with undercover black agents and bullets. Words didnt come out of the government agent's shotgun, bullets did
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 8 months ago 14
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER That's right, put him/her in their place!
AfrikanEmpowerment 8 months ago
It's true .
britneyslut 9 months ago
Thank U, Brother Minister! I put this question to the brothers about producing jobs for their own women. Until that happens, can we truly call ourselves men? I posed this question to one brother, and he said he enjoyed those benefits his wife was receiving from Bank of America! That is our challenge as men in the 21st century.....
BSCI70 9 months ago
damn this make a nigga wanna get his shit right boy.....
nastyblock 1 year ago
lisen please
3333fatboy 1 year ago
this preacher (farrakhan) of ignorance / hate is an expert in pumping up the weak minded audience and manipulating them to donate lots of cash. the donors never receive specific financial statements addressing the brake of their donation(SUCKERS).sorry NOI. i do not buy "allah in the person of fard" dogma.
hey farrakhan. do the chemicals that u put on your hair (black hair type) to turn into a WHITE hair type (straight) burn your scalp? i wonder if he's going to remove his nose type as well
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Institutional racism against black people in America is a reality. There is no mind manipulation needed to make black people see the glaring truth of this issue. Whites such as yourself are totally oblivious to this fact. Really, you are more dangerous than Farrakhan because as this institutional racism festers, you do absolutely nothing to combat it except try to promote a false love that does nothing to solve the problem that continues to affect blacks in America
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "Whites such as yourself" is poof that YOU are too hasty to point the finger at a particular race (by the way. i'm not white. nice try).
i could image that your poor judgment about "my race" is derived from my views about farrakhan / NOI's weakness. well, u need to WAKE UP and realized that any criticism towards the NOI and their racist / pathetic religious views doesn't imply that the commenter is of the opposite race. come on now. that's plain ignorance.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I am talking to a specific person, YOU, not a race. You have the mentality of a racist white man that is ignorant of institutional racism. Doesnt matter your ethnicity, you think like a racist whiteman. You can criticize the views of the noi all you want, just as I can criticize your opinions. Farrakhan speaks to the ills of this institutional racist society and you have yet to even address it or condemn it. Thats what a racist whiteman does and you are definitely acting in character
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER again. u are hasting to point ur dirty finger at a race. here's more proof of ur contradictory sickness: " Doesnt matter your ethnicity, you think like a racist whiteman." come on now, ur views are twisted.
true. there are lots of impracticalities / institutional racism etc., towards the color of the skin / culture / religion etc., but u should practice what u preach. ur leaders leader (elijah.m) was a hard core racist slime. in essence (mind) , just like the KKK.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Marcus Garvey fought for the upliftment of Blacks, yet there was a black agent who was working for J Edgar Hoover that infiltrated Garvey's organization and worked to discredit him. That black agent thought like a racist whiteman, destroying his own to uphold white supremecy. You have that same sellout, white mentality. As far as the KKK, they killed untold numbers of black people, Elijah Muhammad & NOI didnt kill any whites. Your comparison is off base because of unequal criteria
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER ure wrong. a particular negative thought is not derived from a race (this is ur racism trying to pleased itself). if ure going to respond to my posts, u need to re-read my point. in my prior post, i noted tht in ESSENCE (mind) the NOI is just like the KKK. in other words, both slime movements practice / believe in racism. these groups are polluted. the history of a particular race doesn't justify tht thy are all evil. ths poor thking and u need to realize tht.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Action proceeds from thought, if these 2 organizations were the same in mind, then their actions would be similar. KKK has murdered untold numbers of Blacks to uphold white supremecy while the NOI has no history of killing whites. NOI have cleaned up black men and turned them into upstanding citizens. KKK killed Medgar Evers. Show me where the NOI killed any prominent whites. Your reasoning is flawed.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "Action proceeds from thought" u should wonder why the leader of ur leader ( elijah.m) agenda of a separated / segregated state NEVER happened (n never will). ur racists mind is blocking from seeing my point. AGAIN: in ESSENCE (mind) the NOI is like the KKK. what triggered the actions of the KKK? (ignorance). why are the members of the NOI racist? (ignorance). in ESSENCE (mind) they (NOI / KKK) are ignorant (i'm not talking about actions. got it)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray What racist acts have the NOI committed against whites? None. What racist acts have the KKK committed against Blacks? Too many to write in this limited space. If the essence of these 2 groups were the same then their actions would be equivalent, and they are not. Your point is flawed. The KKK was formed during Reconstruction to prohibit blacks from exercising their rights. The NOI formed to teach black people in Ameica the knowledge of themselves. 2 totally different agendas.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "The NOI formed to teach black people" that in order to get into their desperate minds, elijah.m (impostor) claimed to hve encountered "allah in the person of fard" to liberate the suffering blacks. malcolm.x was a member, then he made an immediate reversal from the NOI. u shld research why mx left the noi. u shld wonder why ur IDOLs (elijah.m) son (wdm) said (youtube) tht his father was SCARED of malcolm's departure. do the NOI teaches WHY elijah.m was SCARED?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I like in your summation of Malcolm's history that you wisely left out the point that the belief of "allah in the person of fard" changed malcolm from a junkie thief into a scholar that could speak at Harvard. Nothing else produced that change but Master Fard Muhammad. That belief brought him to prominence, not whatever view he had after he left. Malcolm was in the NOI over 10 years, there was no 'immediate reversal'. Stop trying to 'whitewash' his history, lol
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER first of all. malcolm was the one to accept the teachings of elijag.m and the fake "allah in the person of fard". the ultimate decision was his, NOT em's.
AFTER his pilgrimage, he realized that his ultimate decision of following em / dogma was a false, tha's were the immediate (psychological) reversal form the black muslim movement occurred. by the way, the canon of islam doesn't address practicing muslim by their race.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Whatever Malcolm decided to do after he left the NOI is irrelevant to the fact that if he did not believe in Fard Muhammad and do the work that he did in the NOI, then he would have never came to prominence. As much as it pains you to admit that, it is the glaring truth. Of course his initial decision to join the NOI was his and his alone, nowhere in my comments did I ever say it wasnt. We should probably move this convo of ours to messaging because writing in comments is limiting
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER come on now. the REASON why he left the NOI is of most important. " my thinking was broadened!" p.369 auto. plain English. the NOI narrowed his perspectives ( theology / sociology / philosophy)
the dogma of "allah in the person of fard" was erased (and probably laugh at by hassoun (orthodox islam scholar tht was to come to the usa and teach mx the difference bwt pity thought and orthodoxy p. 458-59 auto ) i cld imagine ur IDOL (elijah) being petrified of being EXPOSED.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray You need to read that section again. Malcolm's pilgrimage in his eyes 'broadened his scope' but its not the reason why he left the NOI. He did not like The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taking wives and not being public about it, that is what Malcolm described as the 'major blow' in shattering his faith(pg 312). When agents in the NOI began circulating 'Death order' rumors to Malcolm, he said he had arrived at his 'psycological divorce from the Nation' (pg 316). he was out NOI before Hajj
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER to say that the reason why malcolm (rip) left the NOI was because elijah .m had wifes' and didn't disclose it is poor thinking. perhaps try / think that malcolm was furious about his so-called leader having sexual relation with teenage girls (youtube).
the pilgrimage forced him to see that there is not such thing as an isolated black muslim. a muslim is a muslim (black / white / hispanic etc.)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray '.to say that the reason why malcolm left the NOI was because elijah had wifes' and didn't disclose it is poor thinking...' Well, if you read his Autobiography, he said it right on pg 312. Those are Malcolm's words, not my own. Malcolm had already seen white muslims when he went to Arabia in 1959. He knew there were whites in islam previous to his hajj. None of the wives that Elijah had children with were under the age of 18, Malcolm said teenage girls to paint Elijah as a pedophile
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER true. the "major blow" p.312 was of the prime influence of his feelings being shattered. we must not lose sight that his feelings were absolutely right. his (your idol) leader (elijah.m) betrayed him / the members and the movement. whenever the head of an organization contradicts its principles, the foundation will start to crack and distrust will arise (falsehood will always show leaks for the open eyes). the age of the girls is irrelevant. your IDOL (em) is guilty..
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray In Islam a man may have more than one wife, so by Islamic standards there was no adultery. Malcolm knew this and even told laborers that he could defend the Honorable Elijah Muhammad by the Quran. The principles of the NOI are based on Islam, so there is no contradiction since Islam sanctions it. None of the women were younger than 18. You can see the wives of Elijah Muhammad speak about being taken as wives here: / watch?v=7KCni7e8eLY (<- put 'youtube(dot)com' before it)
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "In Islam a man may have more than one wife." the word is polygamy. mx was hurt because he know that his so-called leader practiced adultery (polygamy and adultery are not the same). if u think tht islam sanctions adultery, ure mistaken.
u see. the reason why your IDOL said " i had to" p. 305 is overt to his adultery act, NOT polygamy. why? BECAUSE david / noah / lot wee adulterers.
it possible tht your guilty IDOL married AFTER the guilt....
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Abraham, David, and Lot were all Patriarchs of the God of the Bible, regardless of how you view their domestic affairs. If they as Patriarchs of God, could father children by other women and still be regarded by God as his righteous, then obviously your view of this matter is not the same as God's in regard to his messengers. In truth, you do not know when Elijah Muhammad took these women as wives and you are again, speaking from speculation about that which you do not know.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER true. "Patriarchs of the God" have unique qualities. BUT, they can not practice adultery then turn around and claim polygamy. the stories of david / lot are disgusting. anyone that uses these stories to justified adultery p. 305 (auto bio of malcolm) is just as disgusting. yes. i speculate that ur IDOL (elijah) abused these girls JUST like when he mentally abused his OWN SON (youtube: elijah.m lied about w fard homahham). my speculation becomes VIVID !
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Just as long as you admit that you are speculating, we both are in agreement that it is just that: speculation. Nothing backed by fact. What I said is verified out of the mouths of the wives of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 11 months ago
i theorize that ur IDOL married after his guilty act of adultery. why? on p. 303, malcolm "heard their stories" (not to be confused with the inside job of destruction caused by the cointelpro.) they (the girls) TOLD him who "fathered their children". it's conspicuous that there's NO mention of polygamy. would they not have been overwhelm to be the wife(s) of the "mighty man"? what keep them back from telling this to malcolm? did they not tell him how elijah admires him / back stabbed him?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Again your 'theorizing' is based on your poor speculation. The wives of Elijah Muhammad explain what happened in the video that I gave you the address for. Listen to the story from their own lips. Put 'wives of elijah muhammad speak' in your youtube search browser and watch the videos
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER it's not as easy to accept their (wifes) claim at face value. why? because there is a possibility that elijah. offered polygamy AFTER his adultery (before YOU (RD) scream out wolf. hear my views first. OH. by the way, the world of science is based on theory). when your IDOL (elijah.m) put fear / threatened his OWN SON (YOUTUBE: elijah.m. lied about w.fard mohammad). i (logically) connect his (elijah's) disgusting thinking to his adultery and then polygamy (to save his butt)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray All science is not based on theory. Plants transform light into food through photosynthesis, that is fact. Blood consists of cells, that is fact. That is an erroneous stantement you just made and its reflective of how how poorly you speculate on that which you do not know. Now here is truth, you have no idea when Elijah Muhammad took these women as wives because neither he or his wives ever made that public until that video which I showed you. A Muslim man may have more than one wife
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 11 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER come on now. i never "all science" (by the way. BEFORE a science becomes a fact, it's a hypotheses ( THEORY)).
if you want to know about speculation and the "truth" (as you swear to have it), i suggested you look up
YOUTUBE : Proof that master fard mohammad is not god.
more food for your brain. YOUTUBE: anton bartley vs. michael x of the nation of islam. it's pathetic how people like you believe that a human created the sun.
you don't have to post my views. i understand
afterray 11 months ago
@afterray You said the world of science is based on theory, the entirety of it is not. That is another erroneous statement you made which was probably based off some of your acute 'speculation'. Where in the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad does it say that about the sun? Please show me where in Elijah's work it says that. Ive posted all of your poorly speculated views that were not based on any solid fact. Why would you think I wouldnt continue to post them? lol
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 11 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER afterray is a fool. He/she/it doesn't care about the truth.
Originalman320 10 months ago
@Originalman320 No he doesnt. His own research was very poor. I pointed out to him that Malcolm said that the major blow in his leaving the NOI was the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taking wives and I even provided the page number in the book. Afterray claimed it was 'Poor thinking'. Then later after he went back and researched it he accepted it. He spoke out of misguided speculation and not from substantiated truth.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 10 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER
Actually, Malcolm didn't choose to leave the NOI in the first place, he was kicked out by the high ranking officials within the Nation unofficially, and they used Malcolm's speech concerning JFK's death and his silencing as a reason to kick him out.
NSnake91 9 months ago
@NSnake91 Yes. Malcolm said that John Ali was the one responsible for getting him out the NOI. The same John Ali that was later found out to be an FBI agent working for Hoover's COINTELPRO program. On his deathbed, John Ali confessed to firebombing Malcolm's house. Hoover had many black agents in the NOI working to disrupt it by whatever deceptive means that they could.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 9 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER Actually, John Ali is very much alive.
Originalman320 8 months ago
@Originalman320 - no brother John Ali (national secretary) is dead...
empirical77 8 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER It's always been funny to me that after or on their death beds certain brothas were FBI informants
dollarbill125 5 months ago
@dollarbill125 When people are approaching death, it seems that many feel they have to confess all the things that they have been carrying with them thats been bothering their conscience. Thats probably why many people ask for priets to confess their sins and seek absolvement
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 5 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER (YOUTUBE: elijah.m. lied about w.fard mohammad) anyone with a sane brain will acknowledge that whenever a father intends to separate / threaten a normal son from the parents, that type of thinking is despicable (my the way. the courts could have overruled ur IDOLs poor thinking). so. if ur IDOL could threaten his own son, i think that it's reasonable without a doubt that he committed adultery and said NOTHING about polygamy. p. 305.
his wifes were told what to say !
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray does not the bible say 'Cast out the scorner, and contention will depart'? If you knew your bible and Quran you would know that they say that even your children may be a trial for you and that they can divert you from walking the path of God. Warith caused the fall of the NOI when he was made leader. By Allah's grace Minister Farrakhan brought it back. Malcolm died in 1965 and never fully knew the entire story, so quoting him is futile. Elijah's wives told you in full in that video
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 11 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted : "does not the bible say 'Cast out the scorner, and contention will depart'?" if you are going to quote, i think that it would be helpful to be specific ( i need book / chapter and verse. you better then that.)
you don't have to post my views. i understand.
afterray 11 months ago
@afterray BIBLE - Proverbs ch 22 verse 10. And all your views have been posted beloved
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 11 months ago
the "major blow" was justified and it reinforced / reminded him that the organization was envious / malicious p. 296-287. the members become more / more jealousy towards him p.298-299. the psychology becomes overt when a people / group is filled with malice. malcolm (rip) smelled death approaching him WITHIN the movement p. 300
elijah.m was GUILTY of adultery. his poor excuse p. 305 is obviously a nice way out. the story of david / noah / lot are like pornography. FILTH! not for kids.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray The death rumor's were spread by agents of J Edgar Hoover. Cointelpro's objective is to destroy black organizations using whatever deceptive methods that may achieve this objective. They send agents to infiltrate organizations and spread rumors, use covert action, in order to put members at odds with each other. This is what happened to Malcolm. In this video, a scholar explains the deceptive lettering scheme the FBI used to rouse enmity: / watch?v=gzAgg-2eQ9k (he speaks @ 3:34)
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER i understand the trickery / motives of the cointelpro. HOWEVER, when malcolm explicitly says that one of his "CLOSE assistant (S)" have been ordered (NOT by the cointelpro) to KILL him p. 315. this equation simplifies itself when the 3 possibilities of his death p. 312 are read. keep in mind tht ur IDOLS son (herbert) was blocking malcolm's profound speeches from being circulated among the movement.p.298 why? he/members were jealous of his international recognition.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Again, fraudulent letters that were painting a false view of Malcolm's aspirations of taking over the NOI were circulated by cointelpro to achieve such effect. Blaming deceived men for their acts is pointless when they were all being mislead by the arch-deceiver who had agents throughout the NOI fanning these very flames of jealousy. We know now that John Ali, NOI secretary, was an agent of the FBI. Malcolm said himself that John had been responsible for his being ousted from the NOI
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
"the ugly rumors" p. 302 about your idol (elijah.m) was reality telling malcolm that his so-called leader has disgracefully fallen to the ground. also. anyone with a sound mind will understand the reason why elijah. m did not gather all of his gullible pupils and disclose his poor "justified" reason behind adultery. true he was ill. but, after the actually adultery took place, he could have inform them.
it's SAD to think that i bet elijah.m persuaded these ignorant girls with his bible trick.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Elijah is Allah's messenger. No trickery or deception has ever raised men from the gutter of debauchery and cleaned them up to be God-fearing, respecting, intelligent people with good morals. Only God can do that. Again, in Islam, a Muslim man may have more than one wife. Prophet Muhammad of 1400 years ago and men in his community had more than one as well, so there is no trickery or deception. It is right there substantiated in the history of Islam.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER you need you look up ADULTERY and polygamy.
when malcolm went to Chicago to meet elijah's son (wallace) "the son with the MOST OBJECTIVE outlook" p. 303 hmmm. OBJECTIVE ! well, it doesn't imply to his father being a adulterer. why? because wallace would have told malcolm about polygamy (he DID NOT). it's clear that wallace didn't favor his fathers views about theism. "allah in the person of fard" is incongruous with the canon of islam. do you every wonder why?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Wallace had always leaned toward the orthodox view of Islam. He was educated to do such. That was never a secret. This is why The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave instruction that Minister Farrakhan should sit in his chair and be the one that the people should listen to. The belief in a Corporeal Allah is in the history of Islam, can be found in Prophet Muhammad's community, and is known to those who are well researched in the matter. So it is not 'incongruous with the canon of islam'
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER thanks a lot for not posting my other sound comments ( "comment pending for approval" ). i understand your brain...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray What comment of yours was not posted?
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "So it is not 'incongruous with the canon of islam'" come on now. ur IDOL (elijah) used the quran / bible to justified many of his spurious concepts that are contrary to both cannons. can't u see that?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray It says right in the 4th surah of the Quran that a Muslim man (which Elijah was) may take more than one wife. Elijah's wives told you in the video that he took them AS WIVES. Case closed
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 11 months ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER who burned the house tht malcolm x was living in? who made threatening phones calls to his innocent family? why did malcolm.x say : "i'm probably a dead man" (AFTER leaving the NOI) ? who was elijah mohammad SCARED of malcolm?
THEN the assassination. who do u think killed malcolm? (OR do u think tht he killed himself)
there was a REASON why mx dumped the NOI. do u know tht reason?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray '..he said that he was going to state that he had been hasty to accuse the Black Muslims of bombing his home. "Things have happened since that are bigger than what they can do. I know what they can do. Things have gone beyond that" - Malcolm X. The Autobiography of Malcolm X, pg 440. Elijah ordered the NOI to leave Malcolm alone. J Edgar Hoover killed Malcolm X, like he killed Martin Luther King. Any Black leaders that fit the 'Black messiah' role, Cointelpro wanted them dead
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER basically, what's being read is that if the black musilms wanted his house burned, they would have done a real job. "Things have gone beyond that" it's also just as important to read into the lines of "I know what they [ BLACK muslims ] can do"... THEN "sixteen shotgun bullets or revolver slugs hit him" p.443 horrible!
hmm "i (malcolm) know what they (black muslims) can do" then he was assassinated. the connected dots are telling.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Malcolm was poisoned in Africa prior to him making that statement. His stomach had to be pumped. With the agents also following him in his overseas trip, that is what made him realize that more powerful 'forces' were at work. There is a video on youtube where a scholar is talking about how Gene Roberts, one of the agents that worked for Hoover, saw the other agents rehearsing the shooting in the Audobon earlier. Yet Agent Roberts never reported this to Malcolm. NOI wasnt involved
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER did u not noticed my noted of: in essence (mind) the NOI / KKK are the same. do u not see the word essence? do u know wht it means? u shld look it up. here's some hlp.ie., two little boys. 1 steals a candy and the other steals an air plane. which one is guilty?
"Show me where the NOI killed any prominent whites." oh, one has to be prominent. come on now.
whn mx left the NOI, ur idol (elijah.m) was scared. why should he...THEN the threats came to mx and THEN the assassination.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Thank you but I know what essence means. You equated essence and mind together in your previous post. Thought comes from the mind. The KKK uphold white supremecy by using violence against blacks. The NOI teach knowledge of self to blacks. The NOI do not attack whites. If the mind of these 2 groups were the same then the NOI would use violence to uphold a black supremecy, and they do not. Elijah didnt fear Malcolm, Malcolm left the NOI with a following too small to compare to Elijah's
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER " my comments are REAL. do YOUSELF a favor, re-read my views before allowing posting. i know, many are afraid that faffakhan / NOI / FOI is being exposed.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Your petty views have done nothing to hinder the NOI. It is hilarious that you are pompous enough to even think that they could. NOI has been established since 1930 and it will be here long after you depart. You should look up 'Farrakhan world friendship tour' on youtube and see how much your petty perspective has done to hinder the NOI's progress, lol.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER my objectives are not to "hinder the NOI". it's to demonstrate that in actuality, this movement (NOI) is talk the talk ( U want to see some REAL action / change sociological UN-fairness. please, put the "million man (OR woman (sexism)) march" to the side and pay attention the the REAL people of cairo. these people mean business. they KNOW what it takes to compel a government to make a REAL change. these people define change / power. ur NOI defines entertainment / weakness
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray The circumstances of the people of Cairo are totally unlike the circumstances of Black people in America. I respect the people of Cairo's efforts though
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER obviously. however, because ur leader (farrakhan) is soooo "right" in all of his speeches. what's holding him back from organizing a REAL march (not "the million man march". that was actually entertainment for this govt) that will bring a REAL change of the many of injustices on the people (NOT just blacks. the people means ALL races ! ) by the sickness tht still creeps in this society. u need to take ur head out of the sand and realize tht the noi can NOT do it....
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray The poison of white supremist thought must be removed from the mind of whites as well as blacks before any true unity can happen. Your difficulty in even addressing this problem shows that we are miles away from any true unity ever happening between the 2. The NOI confronts this racism with real solutions, compared to people like you who would rather try to ignore the glaring issue while it continues to keep all divided.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER The poison of white supremist thought must be removed from the mind of whites as well as blacks before any true unity --RD
u shld practice what u preach. u are going against the teachings of ur racist IDOL (elijah.m) i hve been demonstrating tht both (NOI / KKK) views are poor / ignorant. how cld u not see tht?
"real solutions" thnks for ur humor. the "million man march" was no "real solution". in actuality, it was a sport.
REALISM: look at the people of cairo.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I have not gone against any teachings. What I said is right in the teachings if you only knew. You are not aquainted with the teachings at all and you base what you think you know on speculation. Who said that the MMM was meant to be the solution to the problems of Black people in America? Certainly not the Minister. Please research the purpose of the march that he stated before you jump to half-cocked conclusions
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: " You are not aquainted with the teachings" first of all, i make sure tht my research is valid before expressing my arguments (i'm not about hearsay). the reason why i'm capable to express my views about elijah. m / NOI / farrakhan is because i have read / watched many of their essays. i haven't given u any specific references (elijah's books / malcolm.x / bible / quran (PROVING the NOI is a fake)) BECAUSE our arguments have only been on verbatim.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Well, respectfully, either you really were not paying attention when you were reviewing these 'essays', or you havent read a considerable amount of them because Minister Farrakhan has said in many lectures that the poison of the white supremist mentality has to be removed from the mentality of the people before any true unity can commence.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER sure. eliminate that frame of mentality from ALL of the people then have a true / purposeful march. sorry, i can't buy that. the science of a revolution (cairo / REAL march) can't wait for a false vision.
if u think that there will be a time when all of the black (in this nation or abroad) people will unit in the name of NOI and claim back the continent of africa. sorry, u need to take ur head out of the sand and see REALITY.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Your 'back to africa' wet dream that you just imagined in that previous is not the stated agenda of the NOI. Your poor research is telling once again, lol. Please do better research to correct the fallacies that you think that the NOI is about, and stop projecting.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "africa....is not the stated agenda of the NOI." the motherland that the NOI can not touch. the only thing that the NOI can do about the motherland is talk the talk.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray There is nothing to 'talk the talk' about since Africa is not the agenda. Again your lack of research of the NOI is telling and you should just leave it at that before you say more that will further reveal your ignorance.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
as u noted: "Who said that the MMM was meant to be the solution to the problems of Black people in America?" THANKS u. ur comment supports the reality behind the MMMs purpose. it was all about show (entertainment). that's why the Q will always remain: NOW WHAT?
the purpose. the drive. the motivation of a huge march is to let the govt know that the people demand a change. that the people (NOT JUST blacks) are the govt. etc.
what did the MMM do that's different NOW? A: NOTHING !
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Incorrect. The purpose of the March that Minister Farrakhan outlined and what you claim as the purpose are totally different. You are projecting what you personally think the march 'should' have been about. Funny that you say that my comment supports the reality behind the March's purpose when YOU STILL don't even know Minister Farrakhan's stated purpose of the march. It certainly was not what you claimed. Please research it and stop speaking from poor speculation.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDERreal solutions --RD ur wishes are only wishes. u shld call farrakhan's cell and ask him if the people of cairo are REAL. whn u go to ur next NOI mting, tell ur organizers tht we shld heed the people of cairo as an example. they are the definition of CHANGE / UNITY. u see, in reality, ur IDOL / NOI / farrakhan ONLY talks the talk. u guys (NOI (at the present)) are not prepared to die for a REAL change. farrakhan pumps up his gullible members....the Q remains: NOW WHAT?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Were the people of Cairo stolen from their homeland? Brought to a strange land and robbed of the knowledge of themselves? Were they enslaved to a strange people for 300 years? Were they subjected to unspeakable acts of violence to keep them subjected to a white people that taught them to hate their black skin and worship whiteness? No! Blacks in America and the people in Cairo have 2 TOTALLY different sets of circumstances that make their situations different from one another.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER i know / understand the difference btw the people of cairo / african americans (i know black history AND the monster of exploitation)
****i have more respect for an black man (in this nation) that changed the name of his birth certificate into that of an indigenous african name, then one who swears to have an african name (YET slave name REMAINS on their birth certificate) and thinks he /she knows african history****
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray You may know some black history, but you obviously are not well informed on certain aspects of it, especially when I made that statement about the removal of the white supremist mentality producing true unity and you had no idea that Minister Farrakhan had said that on more than one occasion. There are some black people that have African names, and some that have American names, and they have a wealth of knowledge of black history. You dont know every black person so do not assume
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "You may know some black history, but you obviously are not well informed on certain aspects of it, especially when I made that statement about the removal of the white supremist mentality" i thk tht u shld broaden ur views just a bit. the "mentality" is no exception to the white race. u shld research the bantu race (mentality) of ehtiopia and see how these blacks look at the OTHER blacks...(talk about racism)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Can you cite examples of Bantu racism that occurred prior to the invasions of europeans into Africa? After the invasion and colonization of Africa by the european, African thought was heavily influenced by the racist ideas of the european.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER no. but the practice of sexism (another form of racism. different name) was very popular in ancient africa prior to the invasion (a black feminists will NOT approve this type of racism found in her culture. she's at the right)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Well, depending on the circumstances, some sexism could be based on racism. I wouldnt say that sexism is another form of racism in this particular case between African men and women. In my view, this falls more in the category of discrimination based on sex. Could you recommend some writings that speak more about sexism in early Africa?
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER dude. discrimination falls into the category of racism.
your question can be answered by doing research on the wed, under : sexism in ancient africa.
don't get me wrong. i'm not attacking this continent (i wish i was living in africa). i'm just showing you that one (you) can't make exceptions when addressing / insulting a particular (white people).
bottom line: racism (whatever form) is ignorance and breeds monsters.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Yessir, DISCRIMINATION does fall in the category of racism, but you said '..practice of sexism (another form of racism. different name)..' and that is where I disagree with you. Sexism is not a form of racism because the criteria of 'Sex' and 'Race' are not the same. Sexism and racism are 2 different forms of discrimination.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@afterray Would you please cite me specific examples of sexism in early Africa. In my studies of Africa, women from many different parts of the continent from earliest of times have lived exemplary lives. African women have ruled kingdoms, lead tribes. African women have even been worshipped as Gods. There were tribes that allowed African women to choose their own husband and have more than one if they so desired. What early african sexism examples are you speaking from?
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER she [african woman] wasn't a feminist, but she could have power & position if she was in the right class... --- google: woman in ancient egypt. she HAD to be in the right CLASS in order to have that privilege. remeber. the many of wonderful hieroglyphics of the woman were because of their influential class in the palace of the pharaoh.
i'm well aware and appreciate queen hatshepsut 18th dynasty. (powerful woman)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Well, Classism is a bag all of it's own. Men suffer from it as well. I appreciate African women like Queen Nzinga of the Angola region. She was a General that would lead her armies IN PERSON. And she was a very skilled military strategist, so much so that she was deemed the greatest military strategist portugal ever confronted. Queen Amanirenas, Queen Amanishaketo, Dahia al-Kahina of Mauritania, Queen Tiye, Makare Hatshepsut, Makeda....all powerful women
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "The poison of white supremist thought" look who's talking. either ur ignorant about the IDOL (elijah.m) of the NOI being a slime racist (JUST like the KKK (BOTH are racist. can't u see)) or ure a racist tht makes racial exceptions (sorry, U can't hve it both ways)
the arguments are compelling: the dogma of the NOI: "allah in the person of fard" is UN-islamic (yet the gullible members of the NOI swear to the quran). the "million man march" was meaningless....
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray You have to be able to deprive a person of their rights based on color in order to be Racist. For decades the KKK was able to keep black people from exercising their rights by using violence to achieve their goals. Elijah Muhammad never deprived whites from anything. The KKK upheld a white supremist system that had established 'Black Codes' and 'Jim Crow'. That is true racism. What white person was ever deprived of their rights because of the NOI or Elijah Muhammad? ZERO!
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER as u noted: "You have to be able to deprive a person of their rights based on color in order to be Racist." u have been mistaken. u should look up that word in dictionary. racism is triggered by many forms. the color of the skin is not the prime reason to hate / racist towards a people.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray According to Steven Biko, African Freedom fighter who fought against the white supremist structure of Apartheid in Africa (And knew more about true racism than WEBSTER) he said '..Those WHO KNOW, define racism as discrimination by a group against another for the purpose of subjugation or maintaining subjugation. In other words ONE CANNOT BE RACIST UNLESS HE HAS THE POWER TO SUBJUGATE'.(pg 25. I write what I like) Elijah Muhammad never tried to subjugate any whites so he is not racist.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER dhuu. racism is the CAUSE of any ignorance (subjugation / separation / discrimination etc). to isolate "subjugation" and say that's the etymology of racism is plain stupidity.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Every point the Minister made in this video about racism stems from white people's ability to subjugate blacks. His point about white slavemasters taking away the slave's original name and giving him their's stems from SUBJUGATION. Whites establishing and enforcing segregation stems from SUBJUGATION. Whites designating black leadership, etc.. That is the racism that is dealt with that began when Africans were brought to america against their will to be slaves, which was SUBJUGATION
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
@RIGHTEOUSDISORDER dude.
subjugation (by definition) is no exception to the pointing of the finger at the europeans (true. they (among other races) practiced that word). ie., in the ancient days of AFRICAN DEMOCRACY (the 1st democracy (prior to the birth of egypt)) the chieftains used subjugation against the smaller chiefs / tribes / states for the expansion of their empire. AND you better believe it, there was lots of blood shed ( BEFORE the last quarter of the 19th century).
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I agree with you totally on this point
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago
B cuz us light skinned "niggaz" somewhere up the line have been tampered with so we know first hand that the white man is the devil
boss86playa 1 year ago
it's funny how light-skinned niggas are the most racially radical
Skates2much 1 year ago
this is old video, now He is not same, his idea is not same, his opinion is not same.
TruthinDaTruth 1 year ago
White war 3, This is why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said you and those who think like you are absolutely disagreeable to live with in peace so you must be removed from our planet your 6000 years of rule are up and you have done your job well
DERRICKATLxx 1 year ago
The NOI teaches Islam and the followers are Muslims. Islam means submission & peace and the NOI has minimal to no record of violence in it's history. Muslim means to submit to the will of God and the NOI members submit; all members take the Shahada; The NOI religious book is the Qu'ran; they adhere to the 5 principles of Islam (Belief in one God/Allah, Salat, fasting, zakat and Hajj to mecca). To confirm attend Jummah, Mosque Mariam. The NOI is still the NOI and under Farrakhan's guidance.
DRXCIX 1 year ago
Wow, this guy really hates White people doesn't he...... This is far more racially intense than any bnp speach made by nick griffin! But nick griffin is 'racist' hmmmm also steriotiping whites as a whole
101Undisputed 1 year ago
@101Undisputed What do you mean hate? There is nothing that he said that american history does not substantiate.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago 9
@101Undisputed nick griffin is a racist and farrakan is the product of the hate that hate produces. Remember that he is pushing 80 by now and he has seen the real deal racism. Not the dumb shit i go through to day . Maybe it is because i am black , but people like him and j.wright get a pass for there brand of ignorance and blind spots. talented man so it is a shame that he does this. he does make alot good points but ruins it with crazy talk.
alansjf33 1 year ago
@101Undisputed nick griffin is a racist and farrakan is the product of the hate that hate produces. Remember that he is pushing 80 by now and he has seen the real deal racism. Not the dumb shit i go through to day . Maybe it is because i am black , but people like him and j.wright get a pass for there brand of ignorance and blind spots. talented man so it is a shame that he does this. he does make alot of good points but ruins it with crazy talk.
alansjf33 1 year ago
@101Undisputed was yr people in-slaved for 300 years i guess we shd just forget all about that and move on.
riccccccardo 1 year ago
@101Undisputed
Farrakhan exposes white peoples hate of humans and exposes white demonic evil!!
Farrakhan LOVES God and good! Only the wicked see good as hate!
White War 3 coming sooooon - the demons are going to release their virus/diseases, create famine and continue to make war with humanity!!!
HorChild 1 year ago
@101Undisputed....Well partner listen to any far-right white nationalist. It's the same rhetoric lol.
JBattle23 1 year ago
@101Undisputed He is brilliant
JMahaz 1 year ago
@101Undisputed Fuck you
Afro3199 1 year ago
@101Undisputed He is about hating oppression. Every example he used the average African American has experienced. This is what you fail to admit. This is why his message appeals to African Americans. All he seeks is self-determination like all people. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If you examine the history of African people from here to African you will see that all who stood for this have been slain or exiled from Malcolm & Martin to Garvey, Lumumba, Hampton and Aristede. & more
davidgoodlettmusic 1 year ago
I swear, all that the minister is saying about some women getting a job or being hired while the men are refected the minute he walks through the door and then the Boss makes moves on her knowing she is a desperate hog, IS SO GOT DAM TRUE. that is a normal occurence in life that has been portrayed in films and something you and I have experienced at work. I've seen or heard about it first hand. Women like that are not strong, i dont care what your situation is. You got played.
grinkale 1 year ago
jews the true faiths???? man what are you smoking ??? judaism is a sry excuse to unite men and make them feel superior to the cause of their group which is enslaving anything that is not jew. go gangbang a 10 year old girl with your rabbi like your pedophile book the torahs implies you can
real1abcda 1 year ago
White people are going to kill billions more!!
White war 3 coming soon!!!
HorChild 1 year ago
dyed fried + laid to the side!
passingpoor 1 year ago
this guy is the man and all the NAACP and house slave blacks know this and cant compete with this man on nothing, but shining white folks shoes. Which the Churches are good at doing
blackreign2012 1 year ago
like white men are the only ones who sexually abuse/haraess women
missyouhoo 1 year ago
@missyouhoo there are men of all races who abuse and harass women. The point of the lecture is that black men in america need to step up and build businesses and industries for themselves to provide a future for their own people who are currently in a terrible condition trying to subsist in white america.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 1 year ago 4
That chick at 5:43 lookin like that shit happened 2 her and she is so ashamed!!!
Tdahoodfella 1 year ago
dont forget the "jewish culture" is false like Jesus said. and they funded the slave trade so save your BS comments for those who dont know we are the true isrealites and most of the Nazis who killed jews were jews themselves. Even Hitler who i detest said(speaking of himselfaswell) your not real jews. We are done with your false propganda
mackj100 1 year ago
Its clear who is and who always were the ones behind racism. Not the white man at all. If the white man was always in control then its beyond me why they would deny their own white people the same rights and privledges that blacks get, especially the right to not work yet get nice things they didnt work for at the cost of our taxes.
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago
You have to possess power in order to be racist. Racism is denying a person or persons opportunities or privileges based on ethnicity. From Jim Crow to Apartheid, whites have a long history of racism towards any people of color. It is the root of their system of white supremecy
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 2 years ago
Denying based on race? AHH. You mean like the United Negro College fund that is denied to whites, and minority scholarships when in fact worldwide whites are the minority, or dare I say Section 8 that is given to blacks who dont need it and even to blacks in my area when they already have a job making $50,000 a year while white people are flat out told that if they were black theyd get it even though the white person applying is dirt poor and actually needs it. You mean that kind of racism ?
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago
Are you serious? These are the only examples of supposed 'racism' that you can cite? I brought up Apartheid where MILLIONS of black people died by the hands of white people in the name of white supremecy, and the only thing you can cite is the united negro college fund? LOL! All of the countless blacks that died because of Jim Crow, or trying to vote, or arrested on false charges so that they could be used in work camps for companies like the the tennessee coal iron and railroad.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 2 years ago
Show me an instance where countless white people died at the hands of black people who were trying to deny them a God given right or opportunity and THEN you will have a reasonable example of racism. Cmon man! Section 8!?! Are you really whining over something that trifling? Ive never met a black person who was legally earning $50,000 a year and was getting section 8. Section 8 has annual reviews and you will get caught if u do that foolishness. The chance of any person doing that is improbable
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 2 years ago
Okay here is the end all be all to that nonsense. ! SHOW ME A BLACK MAN ALIVE TODAY WHOWAS EVERA SLAVE AND SHOW ME A WHITE MAN ALIVE TODAY WHO WAS EVER A SLAVE MASTER! YOU CANT! GET OVER IT AND STOP TRYING TO PROFIT FROM IT! THAMK YOU! They were more my brothers and sisters than yours. They died as Christians. Not blacks. There is no black and white in heaven because the equator does not exist in heaven. Our skin is based on our relation to earthly enviroment! They were my people. Not Islams
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago
America is a white man's country where a white person, based on his color, will be afforded more privilages and opportunities based on his white skin, than any person of color. In america, blacks and whites are not equal, whites control everything and blacks basically subsist under their control. Christianity was beaten, raped, and whipped into those slaves. Those slaves were not your bretheren because truly, they had no choice in the matter. They had to do what the master said or face death.
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 2 years ago
The only thing that is an exceptable organization is the NAACP and they will have nothing with islam. You hate the Jewish culture just like nazis, You hate those who dont bow down to your false teachings. And you teach violence. None of you can fight one on one cause your cowards. And Allah is a fake . Hes made up. He doesnt exist. hes a creation of stupidity by savages. Hes a weak tool used to brainwash people to kill Jewish people and Christians which are the only real faiths out there.
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago
NAACP? They are not as powerful as Minister Farrakhan, so who cares if they like islam or not. They are not credible in the black community because the community knows they're funded by white folks. They could never truly have black people's best interest at heart. Farrakhan called one million black men to washington and nearly 2 million came. Naacp can't do that, they have no power. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, even over christianity and judaism. nothing fake about that
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 2 years ago
And as far as fighting one on one goes, the NOI has Jujitsu masters within its ranks. Anthony Muhammad is one of the world's leading masters of Jujitsu. Trust me, you will be disabled in a one on one fight with that brother, LOL! We don't have to jump anyone
RIGHTEOUSDISORDER 2 years ago
@nomoreliesfrom44 jews the true faiths???? man what are you smoking ??? judaism is a sry excuse to unite men and make them feel superior to the cause of their group which is enslaving anything that is not jew. go gangbang a 10 year old girl with your rabbi like your pedophile book the torahs implies you can
real1abcda 1 year ago
@nomoreliesfrom44 jews the true faiths???? man what are you smoking ??? judaism is a sry excuse to unite men and make them feel superior to the cause of their group which is enslaving anything that is not jew. go gangbang a 10 year old girl with your rabbi like your pedophile book the torahs implies you can
real1abcda 1 year ago
@nomoreliesfrom44 What kind of Fool are you to tell a black person what an acceptable organization is for black folk??? The NAACP was started by a jewish woman as an alternative to Marcus Garvey and his "Self-Reliant" teaching.....
LONG LIVE FARRAKHAN!!!!!!
khadijahanwar 1 year ago 2
Black people can and do. And when they dont get their way they use race. And riot. Come to DC and see how people who are dirt poor apparently druve $40,000 cars , have jobs, yet only pay $20 a month for a $1000 a month apartment and get food stamps. Look at those tent cities popping up now. YOu mostly only see white people in them. No blacks. I can prove it and I will dedicate my life to exposing this consipracy this man in the video is part of and yes it may provoke a civil war but its needed
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago