Philippians 2:5,6 says,"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross".
So, He considered Himself equal to God, and came in the likeness of men... ummmmmm.
This videos says,"Nowhere has Christ claimed to be co-equal with His Father"
*cough* Jesus said, I am the First and the Last (Rev.22:13). God said the same thing (Is.44:6). Jesus said, honor the Son just as you do the Father (Jn 5:23). Jesus said, before Abraham was, "I AM" (Jn 8:58). God said, He was "I AM" (Ex.3:14). Jesus said, He will resurrect Himself from the dead (Jn 2:19,10:18). God raised Him up (2Cor.4:14).
Jesus Christ claimed equality every time He did something God did.
This video says,"When the Bible says the Holy Spirit teaches, it's Father God who teaches us".
Another lie! John 14:26 specifically has Jesus saying,"The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name..." So, the Father will SEND us the Holy Spirit. It doesn't say, the Father will send Himself.
Is this some kind of homosexual cult?? You're really stuck on Father God and His son! I can't believe I'm still watching this video so I can comment on it...
The video says, "the Son owes His existence to the Father". Outright lie. Jesus Christ, being God in the flesh (Jn 1:1-3,14), is eternal and owes His existence to no one. The Son is the Everlasting Father (Is.9:6).
Jesus Christ said, when He ascends to Heaven, the Holy Spirit will come and teach us in all truth. Jesus never said,"Father God" will come, or anyone else. Jesus specifically says,"the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name" (John 14:26)!! The Trinity is mentioned there!!
God has never promoted a family as being "a father and a son". A family always started with a male and female... not 2 males! Where does it say,"God the Father and God the Son is a family", And, that "God" is the last name of Jesus Christ and Jehovah?
So far, you guys are quickly landing yourself into the cult category. You're twisting the words in the Bible, for whatever reason, to push an agenda... but what is it? I know Satan's agenda... confusion and lies. I smell Satan in this mess...
@11aqo--Amen again!! Lol! I just cant stop laughing this is great, keep it up Brother! I Love Brethren that are Bold in truth! Praise God in JESUS NAME!! For Brothers like you!!
In the video, you asked,"Who created the Heavens and the Earth?" And again, you say,"Father God". You are sounding more cultish by the minute, but continually saying,"Father God".
Colossians 1:16 says,"For BY Him (Jesus Christ) ALL things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth". AND, John 1:1 says,"The Word was God", AND, John 1:14 says,"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". God became a human being!! The Creator of everything became a human being!!
If the Father and Jesus Christ make a family, where is Mother God??
It seems to me, you're either trying to create a new cult, or are part of one already, which I just can't put my finger on, what the name of it can be. It's seems related to the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists
Nowhere in the Bible is the term "Father God" used. Instead, God the Father, the Father, or Father in Heaven is used. "God" is not the Father's last name.
John 17:3 is in no way saying, that Jesus Christ wasn't a part of the Godhead, before He was miraculously conceived inside Mary, by the Holy Spirit.
As Titus 2:13 says,"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"...So, Jesus Christ is our great God!
You're being deceptive when you say,"Jesus Himself originated from Father God". The pre-incarnate Jesus Christ was Creator and God, and was with God, who became a man (John 1:1-3,14).
The word given for "God" in the OT is "Elohim", which means one God, but in plural form, making it the perfect word for "the Trinity". You are being deceptive by saying, the Trinity doctrine says, there are 3 Gods, when that isn't the case. God is revealed in 3 Persons, who cannot work apart from each other, no more than I can function without a heart.
You seem to rest your entire Jesus-is-lesser-than-the-Father theory on one verse (Jn 14:28). He was lesser, ONLY because He was in human form.
@11aqo-- AMEN!! LOL!! This is hilarious! They just don't seem to get it. The points you make including scriptural evidence is undeniable and cannot be argued to prove it otherwise its completely solid! And Truth! Its seems as if they keep asking the same questions not concerning the proof that has be given, just questions to get them temporarily out of proving the Bible's own Scriptural evidence that you and I are Blessed to be enlightened with. The TRUE Revelation of Jesus Christ!!!
Jesus Christ wasn't begotten until He was born a baby in a manger. Before He was born in the manger, He was not the Son of God (not begotten), and nowhere in the Bible does it say differently. Instead, He was God... period.
How can God be called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and still be One God? Nobody can know God fully, because His ways are higher than our ways, and His thought higher than our thoughts. Even Lucifer didn't understand God, and he knew Him personally.
The Trinity doesn't say, there are 3 Gods... but 1 God revealed in 3 persons who work in perfect harmony, never working apart. It's like, a man cannot be a man if he's missing the body, the spirit, or the soul. Take away any one part, and he's no longer a man.
A glimpse of the Godhead is revealed in Gen.1:26, where God says,"Let US create man in OUR image". Since angels don't create, the "US" must be God.
To say,"3 Gods" is to say, they are separate. I don't know how God does it, He just does
Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand THAT I AM HE: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME. I, even I, am the LORD; and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.
If there is NO OTHER SAVIOR, then why is Jesus the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
You twist the scriptures and use references of people who agree with your argument. If you really believe the Bible, you would know Jesus is GOD.
You don’t understand the relationship between Father God and His Son. Father God does everything through His Son, and the most important thing He does through His Son is to save the world. Our video, Part 3 in this series explains this profound truth.
There is only one Saviour who is Father God. The Son simply obeyed His Father’s command to save the world. He is not an independent Saviour apart from His Father God. Are you able to address John 14:28 and John 17:3?
@GodsPlanForAll After seeing you other video, "The Saviour of the World," I realized that you don't know the truth. Your teachings are much the same as mormons, and are in error. Arguing with someone who has "another" spirit is fruitless. You need the "Holy Spirit" to lead you into all truth. I hope you do what I did, put aside your beliefs and read the New Testament for what it says, or else you will be lost(and yes,there is a permanent hell for unbelievers and false teachers).
Obviously, you are not able to believe in the true Gospel of Jesus Christ that He is the only begotten Son of God and the Saviour of the whole world. You remain an unbeliever.
I do not deny that Jesus is God, but you deny that Father God is the only true God and that He is greater than His Son. I have clearly shown you how you misinterpret texts which you have quoted. You have no answers to many texts like John 17:3 and John 14:28.
Your understanding is faulty, Jesus IS the Prince of Peace (Son). And he did not come to glorify himself. Your argument only convinces me more that Jesus is God.
The Hebrew word for Prince is sar in Isaiah 9:6, and here it does not mean the Son. It means Ruler, Commander, Head, Chief. See Strong H8269. Father God who is the only true God is indeed the Chief of Peace. You ignore countless scriptures which prove that God the Father and God the Son are not one and the same Person. Father God is always greater than His Son. This is what Jesus Himself says in John 14:28. Why don't you believe Jesus?
A Prince is a "son". ie Prince Charles, Prince Andrew ect... I am someone open to be corrected, but your arguments are of human interpretation (Strong's is also not God, or a god). And no scripture is of private interpretation. I have quoted many scriptures that show Jesus is the One and Only God, so the question is...Why don't you believe God?
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
To say that Jesus and the Father are two Gods, even by "family name" appears to be heresy.
"‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Isaiah 44:6 and Rev 1:17 do not contradict the truth of the Bible that God is a family of Father and Son, not a Trinity.
There is only one true God who is Father God, and there is no other God apart from Him who is exactly like Him. He says that He is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. His Son Jesus Christ is also the First and the Last becasue He belongs to the same God family of Father and Son, and has many of His Father's attributes.
"He shall be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
If you will notice, Isaiah 9:6 reveals the Messiah will be (and IS) "Everlasting Father" and the "Prince of Peace" (a title given to Christ), "Wonderful Counselor" (the Holy Spirit) Mighty God. Isaiah's prophesy is very plain. Your argument appears to be made up, and does hold up in light of the rest of the Bible.
Isaiah 9:6 does not support the Trinity or Oneness Theology.
The translated words "shall be called" in the text Isaiah 9:6 is qara in Hebrew. Strong's gives a number of Hebrew meanings of qara including PROCLAIM.
The correct meaning of Isaiah 9:6 is:
"And His name (Jesus' name) will PROCLAIM Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
Jesus Christ indeed came to proclaim and declare His wonderful, everlasting Father (John 1:18).
@GodsPlanForAll Your understanding is faulty, Jesus IS the Prince of Peace (Son). And he did not come to glorify himself. Your argument only convinces me more that Jesus is God.
The Bible says that there is, and will ever be only ONE God. If you are saying Jesus is ANOTHER God, you are calling God a liar. But since God cannot lie, we know that Christ is not another God, but is God himself, as Isaiah prophesied in Chapter 9.
King James Version (KJV) 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Even if these verse is false it is still supported in the text that the Father is God, The word is God and the Holy Ghost is God. Meaning that all three are God. If you are ruling out one verse in the bible you have to ask what other verses are untrue which is dangerous. Perhaps you should edit that out? I love you. Thanks
Philippians 2:5,6 says,"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross".
So, He considered Himself equal to God, and came in the likeness of men... ummmmmm.
11aqo 46 minutes ago
This videos says,"Nowhere has Christ claimed to be co-equal with His Father"
*cough* Jesus said, I am the First and the Last (Rev.22:13). God said the same thing (Is.44:6). Jesus said, honor the Son just as you do the Father (Jn 5:23). Jesus said, before Abraham was, "I AM" (Jn 8:58). God said, He was "I AM" (Ex.3:14). Jesus said, He will resurrect Himself from the dead (Jn 2:19,10:18). God raised Him up (2Cor.4:14).
Jesus Christ claimed equality every time He did something God did.
11aqo 1 hour ago
This video says,"When the Bible says the Holy Spirit teaches, it's Father God who teaches us".
Another lie! John 14:26 specifically has Jesus saying,"The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name..." So, the Father will SEND us the Holy Spirit. It doesn't say, the Father will send Himself.
Is this some kind of homosexual cult?? You're really stuck on Father God and His son! I can't believe I'm still watching this video so I can comment on it...
11aqo 1 hour ago
The video says, "the Son owes His existence to the Father". Outright lie. Jesus Christ, being God in the flesh (Jn 1:1-3,14), is eternal and owes His existence to no one. The Son is the Everlasting Father (Is.9:6).
Jesus Christ said, when He ascends to Heaven, the Holy Spirit will come and teach us in all truth. Jesus never said,"Father God" will come, or anyone else. Jesus specifically says,"the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name" (John 14:26)!! The Trinity is mentioned there!!
11aqo 1 hour ago 2
God has never promoted a family as being "a father and a son". A family always started with a male and female... not 2 males! Where does it say,"God the Father and God the Son is a family", And, that "God" is the last name of Jesus Christ and Jehovah?
So far, you guys are quickly landing yourself into the cult category. You're twisting the words in the Bible, for whatever reason, to push an agenda... but what is it? I know Satan's agenda... confusion and lies. I smell Satan in this mess...
11aqo 2 hours ago
@11aqo--Amen again!! Lol! I just cant stop laughing this is great, keep it up Brother! I Love Brethren that are Bold in truth! Praise God in JESUS NAME!! For Brothers like you!!
Wisdomized4Christ 2 hours ago
In the video, you asked,"Who created the Heavens and the Earth?" And again, you say,"Father God". You are sounding more cultish by the minute, but continually saying,"Father God".
Colossians 1:16 says,"For BY Him (Jesus Christ) ALL things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth". AND, John 1:1 says,"The Word was God", AND, John 1:14 says,"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". God became a human being!! The Creator of everything became a human being!!
11aqo 2 hours ago
If the Father and Jesus Christ make a family, where is Mother God??
It seems to me, you're either trying to create a new cult, or are part of one already, which I just can't put my finger on, what the name of it can be. It's seems related to the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists
Nowhere in the Bible is the term "Father God" used. Instead, God the Father, the Father, or Father in Heaven is used. "God" is not the Father's last name.
11aqo 2 hours ago
John 17:3 is in no way saying, that Jesus Christ wasn't a part of the Godhead, before He was miraculously conceived inside Mary, by the Holy Spirit.
As Titus 2:13 says,"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"...So, Jesus Christ is our great God!
You're being deceptive when you say,"Jesus Himself originated from Father God". The pre-incarnate Jesus Christ was Creator and God, and was with God, who became a man (John 1:1-3,14).
11aqo 2 hours ago
The word given for "God" in the OT is "Elohim", which means one God, but in plural form, making it the perfect word for "the Trinity". You are being deceptive by saying, the Trinity doctrine says, there are 3 Gods, when that isn't the case. God is revealed in 3 Persons, who cannot work apart from each other, no more than I can function without a heart.
You seem to rest your entire Jesus-is-lesser-than-the-Father theory on one verse (Jn 14:28). He was lesser, ONLY because He was in human form.
11aqo 2 hours ago
@11aqo-- AMEN!! LOL!! This is hilarious! They just don't seem to get it. The points you make including scriptural evidence is undeniable and cannot be argued to prove it otherwise its completely solid! And Truth! Its seems as if they keep asking the same questions not concerning the proof that has be given, just questions to get them temporarily out of proving the Bible's own Scriptural evidence that you and I are Blessed to be enlightened with. The TRUE Revelation of Jesus Christ!!!
Wisdomized4Christ 2 hours ago
Jesus said if you are not with me you are against me!!
Wisdomized4Christ 2 hours ago
@Wisdomized4Christ I appreciate your help and standing by the Holy Bible... God's true Word.
I'd still like to know the name of this cult...
It must be the "Father God Cult".
11aqo 1 hour ago
Jesus Christ wasn't begotten until He was born a baby in a manger. Before He was born in the manger, He was not the Son of God (not begotten), and nowhere in the Bible does it say differently. Instead, He was God... period.
How can God be called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and still be One God? Nobody can know God fully, because His ways are higher than our ways, and His thought higher than our thoughts. Even Lucifer didn't understand God, and he knew Him personally.
11aqo 3 hours ago
The Trinity doesn't say, there are 3 Gods... but 1 God revealed in 3 persons who work in perfect harmony, never working apart. It's like, a man cannot be a man if he's missing the body, the spirit, or the soul. Take away any one part, and he's no longer a man.
A glimpse of the Godhead is revealed in Gen.1:26, where God says,"Let US create man in OUR image". Since angels don't create, the "US" must be God.
To say,"3 Gods" is to say, they are separate. I don't know how God does it, He just does
11aqo 3 hours ago
Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand THAT I AM HE: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME. I, even I, am the LORD; and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.
If there is NO OTHER SAVIOR, then why is Jesus the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
You twist the scriptures and use references of people who agree with your argument. If you really believe the Bible, you would know Jesus is GOD.
amoosehere 1 week ago
@amoosehere
You don’t understand the relationship between Father God and His Son. Father God does everything through His Son, and the most important thing He does through His Son is to save the world. Our video, Part 3 in this series explains this profound truth.
There is only one Saviour who is Father God. The Son simply obeyed His Father’s command to save the world. He is not an independent Saviour apart from His Father God. Are you able to address John 14:28 and John 17:3?
GodsPlanForAll 1 week ago
@GodsPlanForAll After seeing you other video, "The Saviour of the World," I realized that you don't know the truth. Your teachings are much the same as mormons, and are in error. Arguing with someone who has "another" spirit is fruitless. You need the "Holy Spirit" to lead you into all truth. I hope you do what I did, put aside your beliefs and read the New Testament for what it says, or else you will be lost(and yes,there is a permanent hell for unbelievers and false teachers).
amoosehere 1 week ago
@amoosehere
Obviously, you are not able to believe in the true Gospel of Jesus Christ that He is the only begotten Son of God and the Saviour of the whole world. You remain an unbeliever.
I do not deny that Jesus is God, but you deny that Father God is the only true God and that He is greater than His Son. I have clearly shown you how you misinterpret texts which you have quoted. You have no answers to many texts like John 17:3 and John 14:28.
GodsPlanForAll 6 days ago
@amoosehere--AMEN!! The Truth shall set you free and ye shall be free indeed! Thank you for being Bold in the Word of God!
Wisdomized4Christ 2 hours ago
Your understanding is faulty, Jesus IS the Prince of Peace (Son). And he did not come to glorify himself. Your argument only convinces me more that Jesus is God.
amoosehere 1 week ago
@amoosehere
The Hebrew word for Prince is sar in Isaiah 9:6, and here it does not mean the Son. It means Ruler, Commander, Head, Chief. See Strong H8269. Father God who is the only true God is indeed the Chief of Peace. You ignore countless scriptures which prove that God the Father and God the Son are not one and the same Person. Father God is always greater than His Son. This is what Jesus Himself says in John 14:28. Why don't you believe Jesus?
GodsPlanForAll 1 week ago
@GodsPlanForAll
A Prince is a "son". ie Prince Charles, Prince Andrew ect... I am someone open to be corrected, but your arguments are of human interpretation (Strong's is also not God, or a god). And no scripture is of private interpretation. I have quoted many scriptures that show Jesus is the One and Only God, so the question is...Why don't you believe God?
amoosehere 1 week ago
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
To say that Jesus and the Father are two Gods, even by "family name" appears to be heresy.
amoosehere 1 week ago
"‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
amoosehere 1 week ago
@amoosehere
Isaiah 44:6 and Rev 1:17 do not contradict the truth of the Bible that God is a family of Father and Son, not a Trinity.
There is only one true God who is Father God, and there is no other God apart from Him who is exactly like Him. He says that He is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. His Son Jesus Christ is also the First and the Last becasue He belongs to the same God family of Father and Son, and has many of His Father's attributes.
GodsPlanForAll 1 week ago
@GodsPlanForAll
"He shall be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
If you will notice, Isaiah 9:6 reveals the Messiah will be (and IS) "Everlasting Father" and the "Prince of Peace" (a title given to Christ), "Wonderful Counselor" (the Holy Spirit) Mighty God. Isaiah's prophesy is very plain. Your argument appears to be made up, and does hold up in light of the rest of the Bible.
amoosehere 1 week ago
@amoosehere
Isaiah 9:6 does not support the Trinity or Oneness Theology.
The translated words "shall be called" in the text Isaiah 9:6 is qara in Hebrew. Strong's gives a number of Hebrew meanings of qara including PROCLAIM.
The correct meaning of Isaiah 9:6 is:
"And His name (Jesus' name) will PROCLAIM Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
Jesus Christ indeed came to proclaim and declare His wonderful, everlasting Father (John 1:18).
GodsPlanForAll 1 week ago
@GodsPlanForAll Your understanding is faulty, Jesus IS the Prince of Peace (Son). And he did not come to glorify himself. Your argument only convinces me more that Jesus is God.
amoosehere 1 week ago
@GodsPlanForAll
The Bible says that there is, and will ever be only ONE God. If you are saying Jesus is ANOTHER God, you are calling God a liar. But since God cannot lie, we know that Christ is not another God, but is God himself, as Isaiah prophesied in Chapter 9.
amoosehere 1 week ago
godsplanforall, not that am agains you but, i can't find the second verse you quoted in the Bible.
123traitor 1 week ago
@godsplanforall 1 John 5:7
King James Version (KJV) 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Even if these verse is false it is still supported in the text that the Father is God, The word is God and the Holy Ghost is God. Meaning that all three are God. If you are ruling out one verse in the bible you have to ask what other verses are untrue which is dangerous. Perhaps you should edit that out? I love you. Thanks
Undeterminable 2 weeks ago