King Osric had gotten too old, fat, and cynical, but it was nice to see him at least go out in battle. The mirror part seemed a bit too cryptic to me, however.
I believe this scene was suppose to work with the alternate ending. Once Osric is dead Conan returns with the princess and get married- thus ruling in Osric's place.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH i found it your right they did work for thulsa doom his main advisor wanted to marry osric's daughter and he refused to they killed him
Glad Milius took it out- would've destroyed any sense of purpose to the rest of the story since there would've been no point in returning the Princess. Not that Conan would've known this, but the audience, Milius, & Stone would've known this. Might as well let Thulsa Doom kill the Princess.
the scene was supposed to be done better.........but each take something went wrong--finally when it partially succeeded it was too sloppy to include.....this is the resulting sloppy scene
Gee... And all King Osric wanted was his daughter back. Nothing meant as much to him as she did, but he ended up being killed by Snake Cult thugs... As Thulsa Doom would say, "Such a waste...."
they got to make a new conan movie. we got generations of new kids growing up on queer heroes. bring back the macho movies. someone has to teach our kids how to kill with broadswords.
@visualkei72 And five months later I still have no memory of having posted that one comment. I have my moments, that are soon lost like... tears... in the rain... time for another beer!
I'm serious these are the worst assassins in the history of assasinating. They cut and stabbed and hacked at him a bunch of times and he still had enough strength to get back on his throne (they stabbed him again lol) and it wound up being his attack on his own reflection that killed him. Plus he took one of them out before he died...WTF? Thusla Doom should get his money back. Oh wait he's dead too. No refunds in hell lol.
Not necessarily. It could be that those assassins had some respect for King Osric, or he may have had such a fearsome reputation from his younger days, that they were too afraid to get too close.
@starguard This scene was deleted because of the special effects of the blood was too gory for the effect they wanted to have. The blood constantly splattered when all they wanted was a little bleeding.
They probably cut this scene because at the end it said that without much to do further with the king's daughter, Conan sent her home to her father. So if her father is dead, then the epilogue wouldn't have said that.
@Abobojo i remember that ..he was telling conan how another king or such was stabbed by his own daughter i think ..and that was the quote. but i'm glad i got to see this
Actually I'm glad this was cut (don't get me wrong it's a great scene) because for a couple or reasons.
1: This would have invalidate the task of getting the princess back and Conan and friends would have either stuck with stealing Doom's treasures then later killing Doom & company eventually plus the blond chick would probably still be alive.
2: When Conan returned to reclaim his reward and found the King dead---he would be PISSED.
@YiYaEmperor That is King Osric the Usurper. He hired Conan to bring back his daughter from Thulsa Doom. Thulsa then sent mercenaries to snuff him out.
According to the commentary from the DVD, the king's bodyguard had been infilrated by Thulsa Doom's men...those men being the king's personal guard. This, of cource, was a deleted scente.
i don't know about this. with nowadays movie industry they could do it in no time but i know that they want to make a remake of Conan using as actor the guy who played the Arnold cameo in Terminator Salvation.
It's funny, the first Terminator, Arnold had parted hair, then Reese blasted the car in the first chase with Sarah causing the explosion that fried Arnold's hair to be spiky the rest of the film.
The second and third film, Arnold's hair was spiked throughout. Then in Salvation, it's parted again Heheheh.
in fact, thi death scene is quite realistic, flashy moves in fights arent very close to reality. This guy is supposed to be old but still badass king and those are his old trusted guards who became traitors. Its rather normal that they hesistate before every strike. Most real life knife-fights look just as lame, people are so high on adrenaline that they dont think or act logicaly. "Fight or flight" instinct does that to people.
They arent any old assassins, theyre Osric's own soldiers who turn on him (its alluded to that they side with Thulsa Doom basically). The one he kills has a line earlier on when Osric asks Conan, Valeria and Subotai to get his daughter back from Thulsa Doom.
Keep in mind these are the raw takes with no sound, music or color editing. perhaps the closest death scene to this was Caesars in HBO's Rome. As kings should die: fighting to the end...
By Crom's thong those are the most inefficient hit men in the history of Hyperboreia. Couldn't thulsa doom find three better bastards? If he'd sent my four year old sister she'd have rubbed him off sooner.
Along with his Phylactery of Gullibility which makes you believe everything someone says, even if it means giving half of your kingdom's taxes to thieves with empty promises and his Belt of Infidelity which all present and future children are cursed to elope with cult leaders behind your back.
And of course these are all cursed items so they can't be unequipped unless you get a priest to cast remove curse, etc. lol so the joke's on the assasins.
...the joke's on the two assassins who survived, anyway. King Osric spent a Barbarian Rage to kill that one assassin with a throat slash. Lucky Critical there, eh? :-)
Thanks conancompletist. This song was on the soundtrack and I was always a little confused trying to reconcile the song title with the movie version I had seen.
Of all the people in the room he needed to use the sword on, he used it on his reflection in the mirror. Lol @ these guys they are the most inefficient assassins in the land! Only Julius Caesar needed to be stabbed more times lol.
Osric was probably one of the more forgiving rulers of the hyborean age. I guess daughter came home to be killed as well, she was probably gonna be queen until they snuffed the old man!
King Osric had gotten too old, fat, and cynical, but it was nice to see him at least go out in battle. The mirror part seemed a bit too cryptic to me, however.
logik316 1 week ago
Is this where conan gets his sword from when he finds the dead king ?
markalexander1979 2 weeks ago
note to self never kill a king with sword, knife. use gun lol love this movie love this scene very realistic people dont die easy
silveriomonares 2 months ago
Who's killing him??
Omg king osric no!
That's awful
AurelioMaghe 2 months ago
this scene should've gotten its own piece of music.
mOsherfr3ak99 3 months ago
LOL, guy's really hanging in.
PaulosTheGamer 3 months ago
The actor who played King Oscric was amazing. I loved his part in the movie...one of my favourite scenes.
lordshin73 4 months ago
@lordshin73 That was the one and only "The Exorcist" Max von Sydow, the knight in the Seventh Seal of Bergman. He's a f** Legend of the 7th Art.
pendragonU 1 week ago
DIE FOR FUCK SAKE
vudurabbit 4 months ago
One of the s.o.b.'s got a love bite he wont soon forget.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 4 months ago
Amazing physical acting. I could almost feel him expire. powerful & convincing
SCORNDOGGMELACH 4 months ago 2
thumbs up if you noticed the painting of sleipnir in the back ground.
jimnsueh 5 months ago 2
@jimnsueh Apparently only you and me are fond of norse mythology :(
chriswww 4 weeks ago
I believe this scene was suppose to work with the alternate ending. Once Osric is dead Conan returns with the princess and get married- thus ruling in Osric's place.
Samson1091 5 months ago
I cant believe this scene was cut. Seems rather relevant. At least we would have seen how a warrior king goes down. FIGHTING
SCORNDOGGMELACH 6 months ago 3
et tu brute? then fall caesar!
WizardOfHumor1989 6 months ago
at least he went out like a G
jameldsmith1992 6 months ago
"Just die already!"
JCIce007 6 months ago
That was the best 2:12 of character development I have ever seen lol
hitokirimasamun 6 months ago
why did they kill him?
LordAzanko 6 months ago
@LordAzanko who knows, probably hired by Thulsa Doom.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 6 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH i found it your right they did work for thulsa doom his main advisor wanted to marry osric's daughter and he refused to they killed him
LordAzanko 6 months ago
O god !!! Hes going to become the infamous SKELETON KING ............
warwolfjack 6 months ago
note to self: never kill a king with a sword or knife! use gun!
silveriomonares 7 months ago
awsome fucking scene, when krom saw this fight krom himself was applauding king orsic
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DwainCorley 8 months ago
Looks like he's enjoying it at 0:56
ancalites 8 months ago
1:30 Buuuuu scared ya?
carlosmspk 9 months ago
almost feels like porn..
NiggadickJaxHD 9 months ago
good decision to cut this scene it looked bad and fake would have taited an epic movie
WorldWatcher9 9 months ago
20 years ago they would have lost that fight
brucekirk89 9 months ago
von sydow!
almightywitey 9 months ago
fukn sux bra
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killed by his own men
Doriamos 1 year ago
Glad Milius took it out- would've destroyed any sense of purpose to the rest of the story since there would've been no point in returning the Princess. Not that Conan would've known this, but the audience, Milius, & Stone would've known this. Might as well let Thulsa Doom kill the Princess.
TheSnowballEarth 1 year ago
It looks like a bunch of blindfolded tramps fighting LOL
TequilaCT 1 year ago
They would've had an easier time chopping down a tree.
NemeanLion 1 year ago
@MachuPichuNT- In the novel, he was killed. Yasimina realized her father was dead and she became queen in the novel.
seanakizuki 1 year ago
It was cut because it was horrible.
Devidas 1 year ago
@Devidas As in what horrible? As in bad or guesome?
Leny1777 1 year ago
to kill the king..
gustachov 1 year ago
DAMN, Osric is really DIE HARD
waschbeckenfrisch 1 year ago 3
I want to see the deleted scenes that were only on the vhs!
hockeyhatesgooglnow 1 year ago
he should have thrown his sword to one of those 2 who killed him
2 birds for one stone
crum is angered
tuvaluboi 1 year ago
the scene was supposed to be done better.........but each take something went wrong--finally when it partially succeeded it was too sloppy to include.....this is the resulting sloppy scene
ADMJCXNK97fan 1 year ago
shit they chop Osric up, at least he had company with him.
thugnast 1 year ago
Gee... And all King Osric wanted was his daughter back. Nothing meant as much to him as she did, but he ended up being killed by Snake Cult thugs... As Thulsa Doom would say, "Such a waste...."
Asenueh 1 year ago
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
vernarno 1 year ago
what a crap scene
Mr2Badboybrown 1 year ago
@Mr2Badboybrown that's why it was cut
ADMJCXNK97fan 1 year ago
they got to make a new conan movie. we got generations of new kids growing up on queer heroes. bring back the macho movies. someone has to teach our kids how to kill with broadswords.
vahn1fanel1 1 year ago 2
the scene is pretty weak, but the movie itself is superb
zerocool0000000000 1 year ago
They're really working that left lung!
Gynecologist 1 year ago 24
@Gynecologist That was his good lung.
TheSnowballEarth 1 year ago
@TheSnowballEarth hahah, oh man, good one XD
visualkei72 1 year ago
@visualkei72 And five months later I still have no memory of having posted that one comment. I have my moments, that are soon lost like... tears... in the rain... time for another beer!
TheSnowballEarth 7 months ago
3 epic noobs at work^^
Saki2407 1 year ago
Man, that guy's a fuken tank
hippopopotomus 1 year ago 4
@hippopopotomus TAAAANK!
unnamednewbie13 1 year ago
who killed him and why?
if he died, then the epilogue was false?
IntricationZ 1 year ago
@IntricationZ it was cut from the movie and so did not happen
Cailean84 1 year ago
Starring Waylon Jennings as King Osric...
SWEETWILLKINGSTON 1 year ago
king osric was obviously a homo....like conan fans lol
RetardGenius 1 year ago
what the fuck. I never knew of this.
thor2070 1 year ago
when in the story does this take place?
rocketman138 1 year ago
I'm serious these are the worst assassins in the history of assasinating. They cut and stabbed and hacked at him a bunch of times and he still had enough strength to get back on his throne (they stabbed him again lol) and it wound up being his attack on his own reflection that killed him. Plus he took one of them out before he died...WTF? Thusla Doom should get his money back. Oh wait he's dead too. No refunds in hell lol.
dealmaker007 1 year ago
@dealmaker007 '' I'm serious these are the worst assassins in the history of assasinating''
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA a lot.
TYRANTHUNK 10 months ago 7
@TYRANTHUNK
Not necessarily. It could be that those assassins had some respect for King Osric, or he may have had such a fearsome reputation from his younger days, that they were too afraid to get too close.
logik316 1 week ago
Osric: "At least I'll take that old SOB in the mirror down with me.....oh wait...." *dies*
dealmaker007 1 year ago 25
@dealmaker007 XD AHAHAHhahahahahahaHAHH lol
shabs1985 1 year ago
@dealmaker007 lol!
rocketman138 1 year ago
@dealmaker007 Yea... WTF was that scene about ?
firemoder 1 year ago
@firemoder I think his own guards joined up with...the main villain's cult group and betrayed him.
dealmaker007 1 year ago
Why was this scene deleted?
starguard 1 year ago
@starguard This scene was deleted because of the special effects of the blood was too gory for the effect they wanted to have. The blood constantly splattered when all they wanted was a little bleeding.
Marinanor 1 year ago
If he was a powerful king, wouldn't he have more well-trained, loyal armed gaurds to surround him?
Jc40k1 1 year ago
@Jc40k1- His guards betrayed him already to the Snake Cult.
seanakizuki 1 year ago
They probably cut this scene because at the end it said that without much to do further with the king's daughter, Conan sent her home to her father. So if her father is dead, then the epilogue wouldn't have said that.
avernikas 1 year ago
I can see why they cut it....
filmguy74 1 year ago
Upon their faces is seen that they feared the king, to his last breath. A glorious death for a king.
Sinietan 1 year ago
all these years ...i never knew this happened in the movie..this changes everything!
scippybaby 1 year ago
@scippybaby Well it was taken out. He asked earlier about the serpentine dagger "Is there a dagger such as this...for ME?" The answer was yes.
Abobojo 1 year ago
@Abobojo i remember that ..he was telling conan how another king or such was stabbed by his own daughter i think ..and that was the quote. but i'm glad i got to see this
scippybaby 1 year ago
Osric is really badass ^^
Why does he need Conan the get his daughter back ?
TheHarry1975 1 year ago
cause conan is even more badass?
ArchlordZer0 1 year ago
This guy don't want to die lol lol lol
TheCerberusInferno 1 year ago
Bleeding to death from sword wounds on a golden throne in a warm royal chamber cut from the inside of a mountain. I really hope this is how I die.
Aetheilas 1 year ago
I figure Rexor had him killed, this was probably after Conan was captured
robawesome 1 year ago
Does anybody even know why he was killed? I have the Special edition DVD and I have no clue why he was assassinated,if you know why please tell me
TMalltheway 1 year ago
and its a nice feature , if you look at the back wall, there hangs a tapestry of Odin on sleipnir..
thepissflap 1 year ago
they should have left this in.. it shows osric wasn't just some pathetic old man after all..
thepissflap 1 year ago
@thepissflap
Actually I'm glad this was cut (don't get me wrong it's a great scene) because for a couple or reasons.
1: This would have invalidate the task of getting the princess back and Conan and friends would have either stuck with stealing Doom's treasures then later killing Doom & company eventually plus the blond chick would probably still be alive.
2: When Conan returned to reclaim his reward and found the King dead---he would be PISSED.
sbcmarine81 1 year ago
@sbcmarine81
im not so sure..
the stories always had conan earning a fortune, then usually losing it the same story.. thus setting the scene for another "adventure"..
thepissflap 1 year ago
@sbcmarine81
1. Conan was going after Thulsa Doom anyway.
2. He could reclaim a reward from the princess. In fact, she wanted Conan to rule the kingdom with her, but he, as always, refused.
KyodaiKen1979 11 months ago
they should have left this in.. it shows osric wasn't just some pathetic old man after all..
thepissflap 1 year ago
but Why did he got died! ???
sbr76 1 year ago
lol, weird fight scene
carig12 1 year ago
Osric's hardcore, if ya gonna die in a fight, might as well take as many of them with yas.
TheCastellan 1 year ago 3
I KNEW that guy in the black beard was up to something in that story, his body language was all wrong....looks like my suspicions were right. :D
TheCastellan 1 year ago
Thank you for this!
God, I love this movie.
sergeantsquish 1 year ago
why would the kill king osrick?
armarjaleo 1 year ago
well we all see why it has been cut ...
BillyPitonNS 1 year ago
max von sydow has a wonderful voice
tomatoshane 1 year ago
GOD, more stronger than BOROMIR jaja
FoxRamirez14 1 year ago
Epic!
lytealight 1 year ago
It looks like he didn't want to see himself looking so helpless at the end. Can't blame him...
KungFuRascals3 2 years ago 4
What is the story behind this?
YiYaEmperor 2 years ago
@YiYaEmperor That is King Osric the Usurper. He hired Conan to bring back his daughter from Thulsa Doom. Thulsa then sent mercenaries to snuff him out.
Abobojo 2 years ago
According to the commentary from the DVD, the king's bodyguard had been infilrated by Thulsa Doom's men...those men being the king's personal guard. This, of cource, was a deleted scente.
timbola 2 years ago
He died as he ruled...as king!
Abobojo 2 years ago 5
NEVER SAY DIE!!!
chefron8 2 years ago
Max Von Sydow is the man.
MrBigwong 2 years ago 4
Is that Slipnir in the tapastry in the background? I think it is!
Drink ye deep of the stirrup cup noble Osric.
01Eldar 2 years ago
yes it is
but its spellled Sleipnir
gotmitschreibfehler 2 years ago
by the power of CROM that IS the way to go out weakling!!!
wildwindsca 2 years ago 4
i hope i dont go out like that, BY THE POWER CROM!
Tmoney211 2 years ago
now this is a well done scene. i wonder why they deleted...
it's impressive to see this scene for the first time after knowing Conan movie how it is since then
MrRomiq 2 years ago
Probably because they decided to have Conan return his daughter to him, he needed to live.
Still wondering if they'll do a "Conan The King" film down the line to wrap the trilogy.
choirboy5000 2 years ago
i don't know about this. with nowadays movie industry they could do it in no time but i know that they want to make a remake of Conan using as actor the guy who played the Arnold cameo in Terminator Salvation.
i remember it's set for 2011...
MrRomiq 2 years ago
Yeah Roland Kickinger!
It's funny, the first Terminator, Arnold had parted hair, then Reese blasted the car in the first chase with Sarah causing the explosion that fried Arnold's hair to be spiky the rest of the film.
The second and third film, Arnold's hair was spiked throughout. Then in Salvation, it's parted again Heheheh.
choirboy5000 2 years ago
without Arnie, what will be the point of that?
fgbaalls 2 years ago
in fact, thi death scene is quite realistic, flashy moves in fights arent very close to reality. This guy is supposed to be old but still badass king and those are his old trusted guards who became traitors. Its rather normal that they hesistate before every strike. Most real life knife-fights look just as lame, people are so high on adrenaline that they dont think or act logicaly. "Fight or flight" instinct does that to people.
8legsFreak 2 years ago 5
I`m sorry for mister von Sydow, this is a very long death, with some technical failures.
Eudora74 2 years ago
They arent any old assassins, theyre Osric's own soldiers who turn on him (its alluded to that they side with Thulsa Doom basically). The one he kills has a line earlier on when Osric asks Conan, Valeria and Subotai to get his daughter back from Thulsa Doom.
thedeterminator01 2 years ago 5
those were some pathetic assassins...i'm sure the actual would have been more precise
gtypetroop 2 years ago
that's awesome....been a fan for years...never saw this clip...thank you.
denson20 2 years ago
he is as long as jason to die :D
but cool scene , never seen this befor thk
dawood88 2 years ago
now THAT'S acting
ramone138 2 years ago
Don't mess with Osric
Cause he'll f*cking cut you b*tch!
wingedgoat 2 years ago
Thank Crom they cut this dilettantish scene out. The music is impeccable as ever.
Mortarion83 2 years ago
Keep in mind these are the raw takes with no sound, music or color editing. perhaps the closest death scene to this was Caesars in HBO's Rome. As kings should die: fighting to the end...
wanageeska 2 years ago
Fucking... fucking... fucking GREAT ediction!!! I just lament this supreme movie part not entered in the original film. Congratulations by ediction!
PhilosophorNoctis 2 years ago
That is proper acting.
I wish more movies like that would come out.
Gofretas 2 years ago
By Crom's thong those are the most inefficient hit men in the history of Hyperboreia. Couldn't thulsa doom find three better bastards? If he'd sent my four year old sister she'd have rubbed him off sooner.
pparrokkaant 2 years ago
He must got those assasins from the murderers' guild equivalent of wallmart...hire one and get two free lol Of course the quality sucks...
dealmaker007 2 years ago
Whatta badass. Killin till the end
MasterBORRACHO 2 years ago
Superb, at least he killed one and died with honor in his throne
GeneralPeterson2010 2 years ago 7
Cool, right in his belly.
monroenorma 2 years ago
He took one of them with him with a cut to the throat. He died valiantly. Crom shall smile upon his performance!
Entropy4121 2 years ago 30
christ he's a resilient bugger
blursst 2 years ago 3
wonder what kind of loot they found after?
ancalites 2 years ago 2
They probably found his Sword of Epic Fail +3 and his Circlet of Everlasting FUBAR along with the Ring of Hater Attraction.
dealmaker007 2 years ago 14
Along with his Phylactery of Gullibility which makes you believe everything someone says, even if it means giving half of your kingdom's taxes to thieves with empty promises and his Belt of Infidelity which all present and future children are cursed to elope with cult leaders behind your back.
Aetheilas 2 years ago
And of course these are all cursed items so they can't be unequipped unless you get a priest to cast remove curse, etc. lol so the joke's on the assasins.
dealmaker007 2 years ago
...the joke's on the two assassins who survived, anyway. King Osric spent a Barbarian Rage to kill that one assassin with a throat slash. Lucky Critical there, eh? :-)
BloodyBay 2 years ago
@dealmaker007 lol
Mentalplix 1 year ago
@dealmaker007 do not mock this epicness mortal.
omaifakingad 1 year ago 3
and why do they kill him again?..
LordAzanko 3 years ago
Because Tulsa Doom request it ;)
igorbog88 2 years ago
ohhhh ok thanks now that makes sence
LordAzanko 2 years ago
omg awesome!
Ipodmastur1 3 years ago
Decent death
Thanks for uploading
stroffus 3 years ago
Thanks conancompletist. This song was on the soundtrack and I was always a little confused trying to reconcile the song title with the movie version I had seen.
unmaskedbandit 3 years ago
why'de they cut this from the movie?
GM47 3 years ago
Now that, IS ACTING!!
mclarry76 3 years ago 4
Of all the people in the room he needed to use the sword on, he used it on his reflection in the mirror. Lol @ these guys they are the most inefficient assassins in the land! Only Julius Caesar needed to be stabbed more times lol.
dealmaker007 2 years ago
Osric was probably one of the more forgiving rulers of the hyborean age. I guess daughter came home to be killed as well, she was probably gonna be queen until they snuffed the old man!
alexanderthewraith 3 years ago
King Osric said fuck it if I can't kill u bastards I'll kill the bastard in the mirror...o shit that bastard is me...*dead*
dealmaker007 3 years ago 2
i'm glad they cut this asinine spectacle.
Javon1983 3 years ago 3
:P wt a way to die.. done in by 3 dudes.. :P
awazha 3 years ago
Died a warriors death.
RustiSwordz 3 years ago 3
at least he took one of his assasins to vall halla with him
sausageslaps 3 years ago
I can see why this clumsy scene was cut.
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bnewman16 3 years ago
Where is the terminator when you need him?
bermudarailway 3 years ago 6
xDD
it's a little bit not realistic, how often they have to beat him xD
bc3t 3 years ago
Man, I have heard of desperation to cling to the throne but this is ridiculous overcommitment to serving out ones term lol
aeonflux67 3 years ago
lol yeah I thought the same thing good grief.
dealmaker007 3 years ago 3
King Osric Lives, they decide not to kill him in the script he was suppose to be in future films.
Frankfritz 3 years ago
Great scene,with mirror and all,like my dad would say "real men die with there boots on"(stubborn scottish pride)
1angrywhiteman1 3 years ago
EXELENT scene why?..cut...king Osric dont have a chance, anyway..
BerserkJheova 3 years ago
LOL @ 1:33 with the rubber blade....
SYNERGISTIC123 3 years ago
No that look pretty realistic to me.
microspect 3 years ago 2
Great scene. The Mirror part gives me chills.
microspect 3 years ago 2
he went out like a champ.
jinxfire 3 years ago 2
Ya, the old man betrayed by his men. But at the end he cut his traitors throat while the others hacks at em.
shade231 3 years ago
Ahz in yoa base killin' yoa doodz!!!
leeroynaggins 3 years ago
Wow, just wow. Give this guy a helmet.
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago 2
Thanks for posting this. It should definitly have stayed in the film. THe idea of having a mirror at the end of the scene was an inspired one.
ratonarat7 3 years ago 5
What an epic scene. A little drawn out, but it should have been in the movie. Max von Sydow is a great actor!
Peatman 3 years ago 2
ouch, thats gotta hurt some
miktruk 3 years ago