The Wright Brothers first airplanes 1903

[alotito]

This movie was take in 1908 in France. There is NO movie from 1903.

[criscrosbr]

sorry, 1898, and its the first aero-club in the world.

[sablatnic]

@criscrosbr

Aéro-Club de France was founded in 1998, but according to FAI's own page at Facebook, FAI was not founded till October 1905.

[criscrosbr]

to the rest of the world with no brainwash, Dumont is the father of aviation.

[criscrosbr]

@sablatnic ok, aero-club de France was founded in 1989 by personalities like Jules Verne and, again, Santos Dumont.

[criscrosbr]

yeah right, and santa claus fly with reindeers... actually he is the real father of aviation.

[criscrosbr]

The first airplane was the 14-bis by Santos-dummont, recognized by the whole world. Thumbs up to teach history to united states.

[sablatnic]

@criscrosbr

Maxim 1894, Whitehead (Weisskopf) 1902, Pearse 1902, Wright 1903, Vuia March 1906, Ellehammer september 1906, Dumont october 1906.

Not the first to fly, that Dumont, not even the first European to fly.

[criscrosbr]

@sablatnic if u consider catapult, slingshot machines airplane, its ur problem, but the real first airplane was 14 bis, end of history.

[sablatnic]

@criscrosbr

Maxims plane was started from a pair of rails, by accident, actually, no catapult.

Whitehead took off from a meadow, like Pearse. No catapult.

Wright took off from a single rail. No catapult.

Vuia took off from a the soil at Montesson. No catapult. Vuia's flight was the first well-documented unassisted takeoff and landing on a level surface by an engine-driven monoplane with a completely wheeled undercarriage.

Ellehammer took off from a concrete strip. No catapult.

[sablatnic]

@criscrosbr

Santos Dumont actually recognized Vuia as a "forerunner" of his efforts!

[BearFlight]

@vlatu It wasn't until after Wilbur had spoke to the Western Society of Engineers, they built their wind tunnel where Wilbur and Orville first began observing that airfoil performance was effected by Aspect Ratio as well as camber. This was something they couldn't have seen with their bicycle rig set-up and neither Wilbur or George Spratt had previously considered or understood. There is a letter (Wil to Spratt), where he explains his discoveries, but is unable to convince Chanute their value.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu As far as the collaboration between Wilbur and Spratt, it was very good for both down at Kitty Hawk in 1901, but neither were yet clear on the "true" understanding of how "drift" played into the measuring of the Wright's 1901 airfoil performance. It was Spratt's idea to present a pair of small airfoils in the wind to measure the variation in lift efficiency. One of them, probably Wilbur, came up with the idea of attaching small airfoils to a bicycle rim. (image goggle "Wright Bicycle")

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Chanute's biplane was precisely what Wilbur believed would be an easy design to construct and by using linked cables, wing warping was a natural. Their first glider only weighed 54lbs. They (Wil & Orv) believed future designs for lateral control would better be served by more aggressive mechanical means, such as ailerons, which are listed in Section 3 of their patent application. In Jan1909, H.Farman had the first "working" aircraft with ailerons, as we know them, fitted on his machine.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu The Wrights at first tried to develop a method of lateral control, but every concept they could think of was either too heavy or too complicated, usually both. When Wilbur came up with the idea of wing warping, he remembered the biplane design he saw in the magazine articles called "Progress in Flying Machines" by Chanute, the magazines Wilbur had received from the Smithsonian. On 13May,1900, Wilbur wrote his first letter to Chanute and in there discussed several ideas on how to test.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu You're getting pretty close to the mark. When researching events of the past, specifically as it relates to aviation, its very difficult to separate our perception of how we see things and receive our information today and how they did at the turn of the century. Gallaudet, Montgomery, and Wilbur all had the idea of wing warping at approximately the same time, but neither of the three were aware of the others work. It wasn't so much they were keeping things secret as much as private.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu 4: Wilbur told Chanute many times, that after their huge success with their Flyer III in 1905, they decided to sell their machine to the US Government and then to the various European governments at a pre-established price, just so they could recover their investment and have enough extra for their familys future. After that, it was Wilbur's intent to give their lift chart data and their patented control system "freely" to any private individual/s wanting to experiment or whatever.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight About Santos Dumont I only expressed my doubts about the 14-bis designed (following your statements) by Voisin and Esnault-Pelterie and the “Demoiselle” being a copy of Bleriot’s aircraft. I also know that wing-warping and airfoil technology on Dumont’s “Demoiselle” weren’t developed by him. If you finally are right about Dumont and the 14-bis design and the “Demoiselle” being a copy it doesn’t matter, I’m not a “Dumonter”.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Veja os fatos: Os Flyer usavam profundor na frente (canard de Brodbeck) de 1902 a 1910. Estes amadores achavam que desse modo evitaria o estol. Dumont utilizou (canard) em 1906 mas em 1907 (revolucionou) construiu o Demoiselle com o profundor atrás. Quando os Wright viram o Demoiselle rapidamente construiram o Model B com profundor atras, exatamente com Dumont propos. O Flyer não era produzido em serie, (depois de copiarem a configuração do Demoiselle) o Flyer B foi produzido em serie.

[agente9009]

@vlatu O BeastFlyer disse que o Demoiselle era uma copia do Bleriot. Que mentira descarada. BeastFlyer é um "Wrightter" e tenta a todo custo desmerecer Dumont. Se isso é verdade: Por que Bleriot não voou antes? Por que Bleriote não foi o primeiro a produzir um avião em serie? Ele alega que Bleriot era original, e o Demoiselle uma copia? Que alegação sem lógica. A copia voou, mas original não? Como isso é possivel? É possivel apenas nas mentiras contadas por americanos.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Se o argumento de BeastFlight estão certos, então ele pode responder: Se a historia EUA é verdadeira porque escondem a carta dos Wright ao Capitão Ferber solicitando o desenho do 14Bis (em todos os dados e detalhes)? Por que alguns sites, livros e revista EUA quando resolvem publicar esta carta removem o trecho dos Wright solicitando o desenho do 14 Bis? Quem possui a verdade usa este tipo de artimanhas? Claro que não. Esta atitude prova que os EUA é uma nação de porcos mentirosos.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight The resemblance between the 1899 Wright-kite and the Gallaudet’s 1898 Hydro-bike is very suspicious. Both were biplanes with wing-warping wings and a short tail, the same task (for lateral control). Gallaudet was working in this since 1896; the Hydro-bike was even tested once. The Yale University disapproved this and told him to finish his experiments. Possibly the documents were “officially” sealed until 1912 but Gallaudet’s work was open not “secret” or “hidden”.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Os desenhos de Jacob Brodbeck de sua maquina voadora com canard, foi roubada em 1900 na Feira Mundial de St. Louis, que era frequentada por Octave Chanute (amigo dos Wright) deste ano em diante os Wright construiram planadores com configuração canard. Não há duvida, a configuração canard inventada por Brodbeck foi roubada, e chegou nas mãos dos Wright. Os ratos Wright copiaram Jacob.

[vlatu]

It’s curious, Wilbur was aware about the work of European people like Lilienthal, Maxim, Pilcher and others but wasn’t aware of an important work, being made in a place (Yale) relatively near from Dayton, by Gallaudet from 1896 to 1898, even when We know how much important was Yale for Wilbur (apply to Yale was Wilbur’s dream some years before). Gallaudet’s work wasn’t “secret” or “hidden”, it was open.

[vlatu]

Another curious thing is the contacts of the Gallaudet family with people from Dayton and the importance of Dayton in Edson’s life. He did work as a special assistant of the President of the Stillwell Bierce & Smith Vaile Company in Dayton from 1903 to 1908; even his children were born in Dayton. Despite this, I admit it’s not a fact my statement about the direct relation between the Hydro-bike kite and Wilbur’s wing-warping kite but I also think is not “invalid” at all.

[vlatu]

You are right about John J. Montgomery and the wing-warping subject but you are wrong about Wilbur not being aware of him. In 1894, his gliders design and experimental results were published in summary form in Chanute's "Progress in Flying". The Wright Brothers read this book. Chanute took the information from Montgomery’s publications in Chicago in 1893. The Wright patent was for the 3-axis control but they (Wilbur) began his work with the wing-warping kite.

[vlatu]

About the letter Spratt did write to Chanute in March of 1900, yes, Spratt was incorrect because continued the fault in Lilienthal’s lift charts but the Wrights TOO because they continued this fault until August 1901. Since August Wilbur and George friendly argued about certain problems. George Spratt left them and was working in his new device, a new tangent angle measuring Instrument.

[vlatu]

Oct 19,1901 Wilbur sent a letter to Spratt, among other things he asked Spratt about his new machine: “How are you coming on with your experiments? Have you your machine done?” On Nov 21, Spratt had sent both Chanute and the Wrights a description, a drawing, and a picture of his new tangent angle measuring Instrument. Wilbur confirmed it: “We were pleased to receive your letter and the photograph of your new testing machine”.

[vlatu]

Wilbur sent a letter to Spratt on 16 Oct,1909: "It is quite true that BEFORE we had seriously taken up the subject of the measurement of lifts and drifts of surfaces, you told(described) to us your idea of balancing the lift of a surface against its drift (as you have described it,) and determining their relationship directly, instead of measuring each independently ; and that later when we took up that subject we utilized the idea in a machine of different design from yours”.

[agente9009]

@vlatu A renomado Instituto Americano de Aeronáutica e Astronáutica(American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics – AIAA)em 2006 reconheceu que Dumont "foi o primeiro a decolar em um avião por meios próprios".

[agente9009]

@vlatu O diario dos Wright, registra que o Flyer I ficou no ar com ventos frontais de 40Km/h, ou seja planando. Drinwater testemunha ocular confirmou isso, disse: Nunca voaram, apenas planavam. Em 1904 os Wright afirmam em seu diario: Tentamos por dois dias e não voamos porque não havia ventos. Dumont é O CARA, decolou sem catapulta e sem vento.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Os EUA adora alegar que os Wright inventaram a configuração canard. É MENTIRA!! A maquina voadora de Jacob Brodbeck em 1866, possuia configuração canard (estabilizador na frente). Ele foi a Feira Mundial de St. Louis em 1900, e todos os seus desenhos de sua maquina foram roubados. Octave Chanute, amigo dos Wright frequentava esta feira. Um tempo depois os Wright construiram um planador com um canard igual ao inventado de Jacob Brodbeck. Chanute violou e divulgou a invenção de Jacob.

[vlatu]

From that letter it’s clear that Spratt told the Wrights his ideas about the measurement of lifts and drifts of surfaces BEFORE they even seriously considered this subject. The Wrights built a “special machine for tangential” and Wilbur admit that use the Spratt’s ideas but with an Instrument of different design. As you said, finally Wilbur was right about the CoL and CoD and maybe Spratt was not entirely right but his ideas and his Instrument were very useful for the Wrights.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Não dê atenção ao BearFlyer é um americano mentiroso. Os Wright nunca voou em 1903. A testemunha ocular Alpheus Drinkwater disse ao New York Times que os Wright nunca voou em 1903 apenas planaram, e apenas voaram de verdade em 1908, catapultado. O curador senor do Museum of Flight Dan Hagedorn disse que Dumont foi o primeiro a voar de verdade. Os Wright apenas faziam testes com um planador motorizado. O Flyer I nunca voou.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Santos Dumont foi o primeiro a voar em 1906. Em 1903 os Wright não voaram, planaram. A relação peso-potência do Flyer de 1903 torna fisicamente impossivel um vôo, por isso eles precisavam de muito vento em Kitty Hawk, pesava 300Kl e o motor ridiculo de 12Hp. Foram apelidados de "liars" (mentirosos) pois patentearam um planador (e não um avião).Nenhuma réplica do Flyer de 1903 conseguiu decolar até hoje, já as réplicas do Demoiselle de Santos Dumont todas voaram.

[agente9009]

@vlatu A historia americana é construida com mentiras. Alegam que Thomas Edson inventou a lampada eletrica com filamento de carbono. O inventor da lampada na verdade é o ingles Joseph Swan, patente de 1878. Edson violou a patente, copiou a lampada e registrou. Até o termo "filamento" Edison roubou de Swan. Edison foi processado por plagio, perdeu a causa e teve que fazer um acordo. Essa historia o EUA não divulgam.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Os Wright em Ohio em 1904 chamou reporteres e Octave Chanute, engenheiro amante de planadores para ver seu vôo. Por dois dias tentaram e FRACASSARAM. Eles mesmos em seu diario afirmaram: Não voamos porque não havia ventos. Como se chama uma aeronave que só voa com ventos?? Um planador.

[agente9009]

@vlatu O BeastFlight é IRRACIONAL E NÃO ENTENDE que um verdadeiro inventor desenvolve grandes ideias. Dumont inventou o controle quente-frio do chuveiro, inventou a porta de correr, inventou o lançador de salva-vidas. O nome de Dumont alcançou a LUA (seu nome batiza uma cratera). E os Wright? Apenas inventaram o controle de torção de asas para planadores, que em 1915 foi abandonada por Orville Wright que passou usar os ailerons proposto por Dumont a anos.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Dumont foi o 1° a decolar por meios próprios com o 14Bis e o Demoiselle. Inventou o avião tal qual conhecemos. Ele estava frente do seu tempo, concebeu o avião com peculiaridades para ser produzido em serie. Muitas pessoas hoje constroem replicas do 14Bis e o Demoiselle. Mas quem se arriscou em construir a replica do Flyer I não voou, nem a propria Nasa conseguiu em 2003 . A replica tinha um motor mais potente e com as asas reconfiguradas mas NÃO VOOU, A REPLICA CAIU NA LAMA COM UM PORCO

[agente9009]

@vlatu O Wright disse que circulou durante horas a mais alta 10meters. Como é isto possível? A área de teste foi o próximo a uma estação de telégrafo freqüentado por soldados, comerciantes, jornalistas e todos os tipos de pessoas. ¿Como nenhuma pessoa jamais filmadas ou fotografadas no Flyer? Uma máquina 300Kl e um motor de forte ruído não é algo que vai passar despercebida. As fotos do Flyer I, II e III foram construídas por eles mesmos. Caramba, que as histórias de merda.

[agente9009]

@vlatu A mentira dos Wright é imensa. Em 1908 afirmaram que usaram catapulta apenas em 1904, antes voavam sem ela. Todavia a foto do suposto 1° voo em 1903, divulgada por eles mesmos, ao ser ampliada mostra o gancho da catapulta no final do trilho sob o Flyer I. Ou seja, a afirmação que decolavam sem catapulta, que voavam sem auxilio externo é UM MENTIRA DESCARADA. Se eles mentiram sobre este fato, tambem mentiram sobre todas as outras coisas.

[agente9009]

@vlatu O Jornal New York Gerald publicou a foto do vôo do 14Bis em 1906. Os Wright viram e pediram por carta o desenho do 14Bis ao Capitão Ferber. Atitude estranha para quem possuia uma máquina que voou 39Km um ano antes. (alegação dele após 1908). Note: eles pediram o desenho em TODOS OS DETALHES, ou seja, espionagem da grossa. Isso os EUA não contam, nas bibliografias do Wright ou não aparece essa carta, ou é editada sem o trecho dos Wright pedindo o desenho do 14 Bis. Isso o EUA não divulga.

[agente9009]

@vlatu A carta dos Wright endereçada ao Capitão Ferber, pedindo o desenho do prototipo 14Bis é proibida nos EUA. Nas escolas não é divulgada. O objetivo é fazer as crianças acreditarem na fabula dos Wright. Os EUA a todo custo escondem a verdade. A todo custo escondem a carta dos Wright pedindo o desenho em todos os detalhes do 14Bis. É proibido tambem citar o nome de Joseph Swan o real inventor da lampada. O EUA cria sua historia em cima de MENTIRAS.

[agente9009]

@vlatu @vlatu BeastFlight disse que Dumont copiou?? Mentira!! A historia comprova que os Wright copiavam Dumont: pediram o desenho do 14Bis. Dumont concebeu o Demoiselle ele colocou o leme atrás modificando o conceito da epoca (o leme das maquinas voadoras era na frente para evitar o estol). Nao demorou e os Wright construiram o Flyer B exatamente com esta configuração proposta por Dumont. E por fim há fotos dos Wright usando uma camisa de gola alta...modelo de camisa desenhada por Dumont.

[agente9009]

@vlatu A mentira é parte da cultura dos EUA. São trapaceiros. Por exemplo, este video possui a legenda: "The Wright Brothers first airplanes 1903". O video mostra uma foto e depois uma filmagem do Flyer. Mas estes eventos são diferentes. A foto é do Flyer I no suposto voo de 1903. A filmagem é de 1908, do Flyer III. São modelos diferentes. O objetivo é enganar, fantasiando que o Flyer I voou e foi filmado em 1903. É assim que o EUA faz lavagem cerebral em suas crianças para crerem no voo de 1903

[agente9009]

@vlatu A mentira é parte da cultura EUA. O dizzo95 (que fez este video) evidencia como o EUA cria pessoas mentirosas. O dizzo95 colocou uma foto do "Flyer I", e logo depois, a filmagem do Flyer III voando. E por fim, o cinico colocou a legenda " The Wright Brothers first airplanes 1903". Americano vagabundo, usou o filme de 1908 como se fosse 1903. Crianças que verem este video acreditem que a fabula de 1903 é real. Responda-me: Quem tem a verdade se utiliza desse tipo de artimanha? Jamais.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu 3: I should also point out, that not only did Gallaudet have the idea of using wing-warping so did John Montgomery out in San Diego, CA. Gallaudet, Wilbur Wright, and John Montgomery were not aware of each other at the time. Neither Gallaudet or Montgomery had any thought of patenting their concept. The Wright's only decided to patent their theory on lateral, pitch, and combined yaw control as an afterthought in early 1903, before they built their first test Flyer.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu 2: The confusion with the response they (Spratt & Wilbur) were getting during their tethered testing of the Wright's single wing, was compounded by their making too much and too many changes at once, something Wilbur realized later. It was bad enough, about Spratt & Wilbur, that Orville wrote home to Katherine and said: "...Wilbur is becoming increasingly confused and it is only with considerable effort am I able to keep him in the flying business!"

[BearFlight]

@vlatu 1: Are you aware that George Spratt and E. Huffaker brought down a glider to Kitty Hawk in 1901? That glider was a combo Chanute/Spratt design, but it wouldn't fly and after only a few trys, it ended up just a pile of torn cloth and kindling. On the other hand, Spratt & Wilbur hit it off right from the start and their experiments testing their individual theories, on CoP/CG on a single tethered wing only lead to confusion for them both.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu As far as my reference "..alone..", it was in comparison to your statements about Santos Dumont and the other "aviators" who were trying to fly, without bothering developing the basic engineering, where the Wrights worked from the bottom up. Did the Wrights receive information and inspiration from others, sure, absolutely they did, but very little of that information related to the Wright's developing the original basic understanding of airfoil performance and the idea of 3-axis control.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Probably the best source of information, about Wilbur and George, can be found in Wilbur's letter to George Spratt dated 9Oct, 1909. I think that will clear up your misunderstanding of what Wilbur accomplished and what George Spratt contributed.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu In 1901 at Kitty Hawk, you've got the information about Wilbur and George's collaboration for the most part correct, but you've got the "who" concerning ratios between the CoL and CoD backwards. You need to read the letters between Wilbur and George dated Oct1901 and Nov1901. When Wilbur designed his balance scales (one for the ratio of lift and another for the ratio of drift), George still thought that "drift" was linear based on the lost energy as lift pressure dropped.

[john71611]

im using this vid 4 a skool project

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 15: The most important thing that the Wrights did was develop the world's first 3-axis control system, first in theory and then in practice, something which they were the first figure out was of the most importance. Following their field testing of their 1902 glider, where they developed their control system, they then patented that technology. Before they could do that, they had to correct the errors of Cayley and Lilienthal on "lift" and airfoil "performance", which they also did.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight With all due respect, are you kidding? Although not the most important thing the Aircraft configuration is all irrelevant? the entire aircraft shape as a whole is irrelevant? The aerodynamic differences between monoplane and biplane or triplane doesn’t matter? How could it be? There are advantages and disadvantages for monoplanes, biplanes or triplanes. The Wright brothers have had good reasons for choose the biplane configuration.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight About control, wing-warping was the foundation for the entire Wrights' control systems. First used on their 1899 kite, it was a practical method of control with an aerodynamic basis. Wilbur took this idea from EDSON F. GALLAUDET and his “Hydro-bike” of 1898, not from an inner-tube box. The Wrights ultimately developed full three-axis control over their glider by 1902 and were the first to did that.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Your statement about Edson F. Gallaudet is invalid. The elders at Yale where Gallaudet was a professor demanded that Gallaudet refrain from all HTA experiments or his work at Yale would be terminated. The documents concerning his work on the Hydro-bike was sealed until 1912. Doesn't matter anyway, the Wright's wing-warping is simply one method of controlling lateral control as several other methods are listed on lines 45-100, section 3, US Patent #821,393 issued 22May, 1906.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight The Wing-Warping system was the difference between the Wright’s airplanes and the european airplanes. The Europeans had produced airplanes with only elevator and rudder and no roll control. The Wright Flyer had lateral control and was capable of fully controlled turns. Wing-warping for roll control was key in the development of the 3-axis control system and the concept of “inherent instability”.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight You also continue saying that The Wright brothers Alone, specifically Wilbur, developed thebasic science where you could accurately measure the performance of an airfoil and was the first to develop a test instrument for that. Well, you are wrong. Did you hear about GEORGE A. SPRATT? On March 4,1900 He sent a letter to Chanute telling him about a solution that would eliminate the errors other researchers had encountered in trying to get accurate lift and drag data.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Concerning George Spratt, who was a close collaborator and friend to Wilbur Wright did write to Chanute in March of 1900, but his theory was incorrect on CoP, as it only continued the fault in Lilienthal's lift charts. After Chanute realized the remoteness of Kitty Hawk, he (Chanute) suggested George go to Kitty Hawk in 1901, because he was a trained doctor. George and Wilbur argued a great deal (friendly arguing). I have many of the letters between them (Wil & George).

[vlatu]

@BearFlight In May 23, 1901, Spratt sent to Chanute a drawing showing his design for a tangent angle Instrument to measure the drag-to-lift ratio. Chanute sent Spratt an invitation to visit the Wrights in Kitty Hawk, Spratt arrived on 25 July. On July 27 The Wrights began their new glider tests and found it pitched up and down nearly out of control, after 2 days they stopped the tests. The loss of pitch control was unexpected; they studied the problem but didn’t find out the cause or solution

[vlatu]

@BearFlight George Spratt provided technical help when he told them that the pitching problem was caused by the sudden reversal of the center of pressure on the wings. The Wrights tested Spratt’s theory. They removed one of the glider’s wings and flew it as a kite. When the angle of attack was reduced, the wing started to pitch and buck. That proved the center of pressure was moving and causing the problem

[vlatu]

@BearFlight On August 7 The Wrights resumed their flights and found the pitch control problem was solved, Wilbur could now make long straight flights but their glider still didn’t have as much lift as they expected. Finally they were convinced that Lilienthal’s lift and drag Data was wrong. George Spratt told them about his ratio method that would eliminate the errors other researchers had encountered in trying to get accurate lift and drag data

[vlatu]

@BearFlight The Wright Brothers used Spratt’s idea of taking ratio measurements instead of trying to get absolute values of lift and drag as others had tried to do. The Wrights built a wind tunnel and built a lift balance. On December 1901 The Wrights were working in the Data tables and discovered that their “lift balance” was inaccurate at low angles of attack when it was used to measure tangent angles.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight They built a new Instrument “the special machine for tangential” and solved the problem but this instrument was based in the Spratt’s tangent angle Instrument. On November 21, 1901, Spratt had sent both Chanute and the Wrights a description, a drawing, and a photograph of his latest tangent angle measuring Instrument. Wilbur admitted they had used Spratt’s "idea" in their tangent angle instrument but "in a design different than yours”. Letter to Spratt October 16, 1909.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight Well, after all this explanation I think it is difficult to say that the aeronautic basic technology was developed “entirely” by the Wright brothers “alone” as you said. The Wright Brothers achieved success on December 17,1903 with the First powered, controlled and sustained HTA flight . People like Edson F. Gallaudet, Octave Chanute, George A. Spratt and Charlie Taylor don’t deserve recognition for this feat? Not even partially? Only the Wrights? I don’t think so

[vlatu]

@BearFlight Edson F. Gallaudet(wing-warping), Octave Chanute (biplane configuration, Chanute-Herring glider, He also invented the "strut-wire" braced wing structure that would be used in powered biplanes of the future), Charles E. Taylor (He built the Wright’s wind tunnel and the Wright’s Flyer Engine) and George A. Spratt (technical advice, ratio method to get accurate lift and drag and the tangent angle Instrument ).

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 14: You are also continuing to describe HTA "configuration" and not the technicial reason why one early aircraft "could not" fly versus why another "could"! It doesn't matter if someone had a monoplane, a biplane, or a triwing design, that is all irrelevant. The Wright brothers, specifically Wilbur, developed the basic science where you could "accurately" measure the performance of an airfoil, then someone else could design an aircraft around that, which would successfully fly.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 13: On 31Dec1908, Wilbur recorded his 100 hour of flight time (while Dumont had recorded only 59 seconds total time in the air). Orville Wright flew their 1902 glider for 79 seconds, on just one flight in 1903(of over 1,100 flights total), 20 seconds longer than Dumont's total accumulated flight time. When Dumont retired in 1910, his total lifetime accumulated HTA flight time was less than Wilbur's "officially" recorded flight time for one day, (31Dec1908 for 3 hours 44 minutes).

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 12: When Wilbur and Orville began openly demonstrating their Flyer III "A" in Aug/Sept of 1908, they changed everything. Delagrange, Farman, Bleriot, and Pelterie had been semi-successful with their machines designed on the theory of "Inherent Stability", but they could ONLY fly when there was absolutely no wind. Wilbur flew under all but the most stormy conditions. Dumont had given up on HTA back in 1907 and by 31Dec1908, Dumont had accumulated a total of 59 seconds of flight time.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 11: After Wilbur&Orville performed imperical tests on their 1900/1901 gliders and discovered that Cayley/Lilienthal were wrong in their assumptions, they designed a set of balance scales and used a wind tunnel to measure a variety of airfoil shapes at different AoA. With this info, Wilbur had to develop a new formula (sinθ1=SV²kCL/(SV²kCD)+(SV²k) ) to accurately calculate the CoL. CoD was calculated on the ratio of SV²kCD and SV²k=P, something no one before ever considered.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 10: You also implied that Sir Cayley was the founder of AE, it is just that Cayley and Lilienthal applied "theoretical" science to lift production, while assuming other factors as linear (CoD for example). Lilienthal's lift charts (1894) failed to consider Wenham and Phillips work on Aspect Ratio and Hyperbolical Camber. Wilbur Wright was the first to use "imperical" testing, following his inventing the first test instrument to accurately measure all factors (CoL, CoD, AS, Camber).

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 9: Throughout 1907 and 1908, Santos Dumont was a non-issue when it came to powered HTA flight and all of the Paris newspapers (Le Journal, Le Matin, and the New York Herald Paris E. specifically) only rarely mentioned Dumont. The Paris newspapers were ablaze with headlines covering those that actually "were" involved with powered HTA flight, such as Leon Delagrange, Henri Farman, Louis Blerito, Zen brothers, Trian Viua, Robert Esnault-Pelterie, De Pischoff, and Gastambide-Mengin.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 8: In February 1907, George Beancon (editor of the ACdeF magazine, L'Aerophile) detailed the 14bis design and according to Gabriel Voisin and Robert Esnault-Pelterie, the 14bis was a cross between a L.Hargrave box kite and the Wright's 1902 glider (which is consistant with the fact that the ACdeF had officially classified the 14bis as a "Type du Wright" in July of 1906). After his (Dumont's) failures in Nov1907, Dumont openly stated that powered HTA flight was simply not possible.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 7: After Dumont's false claims in the New York Herald in 1907, about his 14bis, most of the Aero Club members shined Dumont on for his having attempted to claim credit for something provided by other members (specifically Voisin and Pelterie). This was an enormous inappropriate thing to do to his fellow members and it was only because of Ernest Archdeacon that Dumont was able to retain his membership in the Club (his popularity with the Persians and his dirigible acheivments helped).

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 6: The Wrights were not very interested in selling their machine in Europe and after reading through the many letters written by the Wrights, included in the book "From The Ground Up", all the Wrights were interested in was getting the money from the licensing of their technology. By the end of 1909, Wilbur reported to Octave Chanute that he and Orville had earned over $240,000USD just in selling their licensing and the Flyer III (with tricycle gear) to the US Signal Corp..

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 5: Dumont did fly his M20/M21 a few times during the first part of 1909, but others were now flying far better airplanes, like the Farman II biplane, Bleriot's model XI or Antoinette III monowings. By April, "6" Wright Flyer IIIs were up and flying. The Clement-Bayard Company liked the Demosielle, so they licensed the Wright's system and pre-built 50 of them, but after a year (1910), they only managed to sell 15, so they dissasembled the remaining 35 to build Farman III biplanes.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 4: Dumont did manage to have one flight with his M20 Demosielle on 21Feb1909 for 8km, but his M20 was very ill-handling and frankly very dangerous and he (Dumont) had to crash land it when it was incapable of climbing and clearing a line of trees. Orville Wright had already exceeded 300m AGL during a test flght at Pau. By the end of Feb1909, the Wrights had successfully trained 4 pilots and Wilbur refrained from any further flying (Wilbur was an engineer and didn't like to fly).

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 3: After moving into a hanger at Issy, a hanger that Bleriot had given him, Dumont made some changes to his Bleriot BM3/M19, redesiginated it his M20 and successfully got off the ground on 13Feb1909, Dumont's first time into the air with a machine capable of sustained and semi-controlled flight. By this time, there were over 15different individuals that had successfully gotten into the air, since Wilbur's extraordinary demonstrations had begun several months earlier.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 2: After Wilbur Wright stunned the European aviators with his fully flyable Flyer III "A" (the same machine in the above video), everyone realized that Wrights had done it, so in Dec1908, Dumont contacted his last friend with the ACdeF, Louis Bleriot, and Bleriot helped him redesign his (Bleriot's) BM3 into the Dumont M19 (1st machine called the Demosielle). Bleriot added the airfoil and control system developed by Wilbur Wright. Then Bleriot moved to Pau with the Wrights.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Part 1: After Dumont's total failure with his M15 biplane (early 1907) and his inability to get the 14bis into the air in April (1907), Bleriot got airborne on 11July, 6Aug, and 17Sept, 1907 with his little BM3 monoplane. After Dumont barely got off the ground on 17Nov with his M17 biplane, Bleriot gave Dumont his BM3 and Dumont got off the ground for 143m on 24Nov, 1907. Dumont stated HTA flight was impossible an he gave up and from then until Jan1909, he stayed with his no.16 dirigible.

[BearFlight]

@vlatu After Wilbur's discoveries in 1901/1902, the Wrights then were successful with their 1902 (their 3rd in progression), as far as predicted lift production, but it still took another 5 weeks to develop their 3-axis control system. Even then, it took another 3 years to finally have their Flyer III test mule working exceptably. They made 105 flights in 1904 (F2) and 52 flights (F3) in 1905. They built their 1st production F3 "A" in 1907 and shipped it to France in July of that year. see above

[BearFlight]

@vlatu With all due respect, you have no idea about what happened back then do you(?). The base technology for airfoil design, aircraft control, and efficient propeller design was developed entirely by the Wright brothers alone. Aircraft configuration (biplane, triplane, monowing, whatever) is all irrelevant to what the Wrights developed. Wilbur Wright was the first to develop a method (test instrument) for accurately measuring an airfoils CoL and CoD, allowing for predictable lift.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part B: In late Nov1905, Mr. F.S.Lahm (a member of the Aero Club de France and close friend of Ernest Archdeacon, club President) cabled his brother-in-law, Mr. H.M. Weaver, and he (Weaver) traveled from Mansfield, Ohio over to Dayton, Ohio and confirmed, after talking to dozens and dozens of witnesses, Wilbur Wright's 5Oct, 1905 flight. Weaver's cable back to Lahm at the ACdeF reads: "CLAIMS FULLY VERIFIED-PARTICULARS BY MAIL-DISTANCE FLOWN 24 MILES FLYING CIRCLES ON 5OCT".

[vlatu]

@BearFlight First of all I want to say that I’m not Brazilian. I don’t believe in Dumont as the Father of Aviation. This honour falls in Sir George Cayley. I’m not a “Dumonter” nor a “Wrighter”. It’s clear that the Wright brothers made the first controlled, sustained and powered flight and developed the first “practical” airplane. However I don’t agree with you Bear in some things, I also have some questions.

[agente9009]

@vlatu Os EUA alegam que os Wright inventaram os ailerons, o tune de vento e a configuração canard. Isso tudo é Mentira!! Em 1868, inventor ingles MPW Bolton patenteou o aileron, um tipo para o controle lateral. O túnel de vento foi inventado pelo inglês Francis Wenham em 1871. Ea configuração canard foi inventado pelo alemão Jacob Brodbeck, em 1866. Tambem a lampada, o verdadeiro inventor é o ingles Joseph Shaw.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight The Ader“flight” of 1897 was proved false when the report of the military commission that had observed his 1897 tests was made public in NOVEMBER 1910, almost two years after the publication of “Flight”. Also National Aeronautics, the official publication of the “National Aeronautic Association” of the USA(Organization member of the FAI and official record keeper for USA aviation ) shows in 1939 the chronology of aviation records, the First Official Record Dumont and his 220 mts.

[agente9009]

@vlatu A verdade é: Wright não inventaram a configuração canard. Partidários de Wright tentam classificar máquinas voadoras com canard configuração como "tipo wright". Não existe e nunca existiu" tipo wright ". Exist apenas" tipo Brodbeck". A configuração com estabilizador dianteiro para evitar estagnação existir desde 1866, inventado por Brodbeck.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight Of course other people managed to get off the ground before Wrights(1903) and Dumont(1906) among them Clement Ader and his hop-flight of 50m,1890 (the 300m “flight” of 1897 was false), Richard Pearse and maybe Jatho but the first “Official” flight was Dumont. In the same way the Wrights brothers did make several flights in 1904 and 1905 but the First “Official” flight in America was made by Glenn Curtiss in 1908.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight The Wrights WERE scientist/engineers AND aviators. If they weren’t why Wilbur and Orville remain flying after they got their contracts in Europe and USA. They didn’t like flying? Orville words: “The exhilaration of flying is too keen, the pleasure too great, for it to be neglected as a sport”. Wilbur words: “More than anything else the sensation is one of perfect peace mingled with an excitement that strains every nerve to the utmost, if you can conceive of such a combination”.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight “You cannot argue the fact that the Wrigth Brothers alone, developed the base science for A.E. and for all that followed “. No, Sir Georgey Cayley developed the base science for A.E. The Wrights Brothers perfected this science and take it to a new level and bring us to the Era of “practical” aviation but They didn’t make it alone. The Wrights supported their research in others work, people like Cayley, Stringfellow, Montgomery, Phillips, Lilienthal, Chanute, Langley and Gallaudet

[vlatu]

@BearFlight The Wrights Brothers redefined the CoL and CoD calculations and made a new Formula, also corrected the Smeathon value of “k”. Their new discoveries were very useful, their work was admirable but they didn’t make it alone because they didn’t begin from zero. Claims like that the Wrights alone developed the science of A.E. and for all that followed seems disrespectful to pre-1903 and post-1903 pioneers and inventors in that field.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight Where are the proof of the 6Feb,1907 Voisin and Pelterie claims? Without it is the Voisin’s word against Dumont ‘s word. Furthermore Voisin didn’t seem a reliable man, he fought against other pioneers, among them Bleriot in 1906, Farman in 1908 (sold Farman II to Moore-Brabazon). Also in the 1908 glorius moment of Wilbur Wright in France He was very critic to the Wright Flyer saying “It is not a true airplane”. Esnault-Pelterie helped to design only the “Ailerons” of the 14-bis

[vlatu]

@BearFlight I also ask myself, Why Voisin designed and built the Dumont’s 14-bis if they were competitors for the aeronautics prizes of a 25 meter flight and the 100 meter prize. Voisin and his partner Bleriot built a biplane, this biplane made several take-off attempts without success the same day Dumont made his 220 meters flight. Furthermore, I didn’t read about Bleriot claiming that Demoiselle was a copy of his monoplane.

[vlatu]

@BearFlight I didn’t see a Bleriot plane similar to the Demoiselle before Nov.1907. Anyway if the Demoiselle was based in a Bleriot previous aircraft what’s the big deal? Langley aerodrome was based in the Stringfellow powered twin-propeller tandem-winged monoplane(1868), Wright Glider in the Chanute-Herring Glider, Bleriot VI in the Langley Aerodrome, Ferber gliders and planes in the Wright glider, Farman III in the Voisin plane, etc

[BearFlight]

@vlatu Get over it, this book I mentioned, "From The Ground Up" is the most complete historical piece ever compiled and written on the subject of the early aviation pioneers. This book contains over 2,000 photographs from that era and is 750 pages long. The listing of credits and sources alone is 5 pages long by itself. The author is listed as the "International Aviation Historical Society".

[BearFlight]

@vlatu This book contains 48 chapters and the section about Santos Dumont covers the inside information about him and his contribution to HTAs, which is absolutely nothing. In the book are the reprint of the Le Journal, Le Matin, and the New York Herald articles from early 1907, noting his (Dumont's) lying to the reporters about his 14bis and the records from Aero Club de France when they considered ousting him from the Aero Club de France for his lying about "who" actually designed the 14bis.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part A: All Dumont ever did was manage a single power hop, exceeding 100m on 13Nov, 1906, which was sufficient to win a cash prize from the ACdeF and Archdeacon, a power hop that was neither sustained nor controlled. On 5Oct, 1905, over a year earlier, Wilbur flew their 3rd prototype Flyer a distance of 38km, while flying circles over Huffman-Prairie. Dumont and the ACdeF membership were all fully aware of Wilbur's flight by the way.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Our research has revealed that at least 8, possibly 9, different individuals managed to get off the ground before Wilbur Wright did on 14Dec, 1903 and Orville on 17Dec, 1903, but none of those before them were able to demonstrate sustained or controlled flight. Officially, according to the FAI records, Clement Ader was first into the air on 14Oct, 1897, but our research shows it was most likely Felix du Temple (FR) in 1874. Sir Cayley was most likely first with a glider in 1847.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Dumont did absolutely nothing with airplanes and the only success he ever had was entirely the result of the work of others (Bleriot, Voisin, Pelterie, the Wrights). Even more disgusting and vile about you Dumonters, is that Lilienthal, Pilcher, Ferber, Rolls, Lefebvre, Selfridge, Montgomery and many more, lost their lives in the pursuit of flight. So making these false claims about Dumont, is like spitting on the graves of those who really did progress the invention of the airplane.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part 6: After Santos Dumont attempted to illegally make financial gains from his mis-use of the Wright's patented technology in 1909, the LCGdeNA (legal license holder of the Wright's USP #821,393 in France) filed a lawsuit against Dumont. When Dumont announced his retirement from aviation in 1910, Wilbur Wright personally asked the LCGdeNA to drop their suit against Dumont, which the LCGdeNA did.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part 5: The most discussing thing about you Dumonters is that you make all these false claims, just like Dumont did when he lied to G.P. Dickin at the New York Herald, claiming he had designed the 14bis (New York Herald Paris edition, 4Feb,1907). On 6Feb,1907 Voisin and Pelterie countered Dumont's false claims and told Dumont he was on his own. In 1909 with a machine (Demosielle) copied from Bleriot and with stolen technology from the Wrights, Dumont finally flew for the first time.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part 4: What you "Dumonters" don't seem to understand, the Wright brothers were not "aviators", in fact they didn't like flying (especially Wilbur), they were scientists/engineers and you cannot argue the fact that they, and they alone, developed the base science for Aeronautical Engineering and for all that followed. It is ALL a matter of record. Their work was all documented and much of it was published at the time and their patents prevented anyone else from stealing their work.

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part 3: When Dumont made his one power hop on 13Nov, 1906, barely 4 dozen people were there. When Orville took their Flyer III "A" up to Berlin, Germany in 1909, to demonstrate their machine for the German Air Ministry (Zepplins), an estimated 1.5 million spectators showed up (I have photographs of the crowds and believe me, it looks like a lot more 1.5 million).

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 After Wilbur Wright first demonstrated their first production aircraft (Flyer III "A" serial number 001) at LeMans, France on 8/8/1908, here are actual quotes from those who witnessed it: Leon Delagrange (former Pres of the ACdeF) "..the Wrights have beaten us all and I want one!". Georges Beancon (Editor of L'Aerophile) "..Wilbur Wright has completely dissipated all doubts,...(they) are truly the first to fly...!". FAI official: "..I just witnessed my first airplane flight..".

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 Part 1: After Wilbur discovered the original conceptual errors of Cayley and Lilienthal in 1901, he re-defined the CoL and CoD calculations and came up with a new formula (sinθ1=SV²kCL/(SV²kCD)+(SV²k) ) for determining the Coefficient of Lift and SV²kCD - SV²k ratio for the Coefficient of Drift based on the observation numbers of his balance scales in a wind tunnel. Wilbur also corrected the value of "k" (0.0033 rather than the Smeathon factor of 0.0054).

[BearFlight]

@ricks81993 I'm sorry to tell you that you've been lied to about Santos Dumont. If you can't find a copy of the book "From The Ground Up", then I suggest you read through the newspapers (1906-1909), "Le Journal", "Le Matin", "New York Herald (Paris edition)", the magazines "Flight" (British), the "L'Aerophile" (official magazine of the Aero Club of France), the science paper "Some Aeronautical Experiments" published in 1902, or the US Patent #821,393, especially lines 45-100 of section 3.

[BearFlight]

@ricksk81993 The Aero Club of France and the FAI "OFFICIALY" list the first to get off the ground with a powered HTA from level ground as Clement Ader (FR) for 300m. 9 years before Dumont had his one 220m hop on 13Nov,1906. Go to the 2Jan,1909 issue of the British magazine "Flight", page 10, the official FAI recognized flights up through 15Dec,1908 are listed. On 31Dec,1908 Wilbur Wright flew his Flyer III "A" in France, a distance of 141km. On 13Feb,1909 Dumont finally flew for the first time.

[alotito]

The Flight shown in this movie was in 1908, not in 1903. It is incredible how the history was handled.

[ricksk81993]

Santos Dumont was the first one to fly an engine airplane with its own impulse in 12 november 1906, the 14-Bis, which won the french airclub contest and reconigzed as the first one to fly an engined boosted airplane , NOT WRIGHT BROTHERS, they were the first ones to fly an NON ENGINE airplane, boosted by a take-off ramp, really, i dont see no airplanes nowadays taking off in a ramp, sorry, SANTOS WINS! FATHER OF AVIATION!

[BearFlight]

@ricksk81993 You're totally incorrect about Santos Dumont, his first time at flight didn't occur until 13Feb, 1909. On 23Oct,1906 and then again on 13Nov, 1906, Dumont did manage to power his 14bis machine for a few meters across the ground, but Dumont's 14bis (designed and built by Gabriel Voisin and Robert Esnault-Pelterie) lacked lift producing airfoils and it lacked a 3-axis control system. USP #821,393 on the 3-axis control system had been issued on 22May, 1906 to the Wright brothers.

[BearFlight]

@ricksk81993 Santos Dumont had absolutely NOTHING to do with the invention of the airplane. Throughout 1907, Dumont failed so miserably, he gave up on HTA flight until 1909. Dumont's first airplane (?) designed by him, was so poorly constructed, it simply fell apart the first time he attempted to taxi (Dumont's model 15 biplane). His model 17 biplane faired only slightly better, but it was his model 18 monowing (copied from Louis Bleriot's M3) that finally settled it with Dumont so he gave up.

[BearFlight]

@ricksk81993 Dumont's 13Nov, 1906 power hop with his 14bis lasted 21.5 seconds with a 50 hp engine. In Sept., 1903, Orville Wright flew their 1902 Glider for 79 seconds, starting from a 30m high sand dune and he had no engine at all. They flew their 1904 Flyer II test machine on 105 flights in 1904, the longest flight was for 5.6km while completing 3 circles. They flew their 1905 Flyer III 52 times in 1905, the longest flight was for 38.6km and was witnessed by over 1,100 people.

[louiseadvise]

But I think you guys should know a little bit about Santos Dumond:

1 He created the wrist watch - He asked for Cartier for a watch that he could see the time easily while he was working

2 He made a huge research with balloons before he build his airplane

3 He was only acknowledged as a creator because they didn't know he was Brazilian (this in Europe)

4 He killed him self. After he saw something that he help to create used to kill people in the war

[louiseadvise]

Santos Dumont and The Wright Brothers where pioneers. So stop fighting.

The Wright Brothers where the first ones to fly.

And the 14 bis was the first one to fly with motor power only.

[NekoClaws]

@louiseadvise There was a French guy who flew on a balloon over 100 years earlier

[killerofporn]

thats fake the first brothers to fly on a flying machine is mario and luigi

[sablatnic]

The stills are from the 1903 flights, but the aeroplane, that we see flying here is not the 1903 aeroplane, but much later, probably from around 1906-1907.

In this movie they are using a catapult, which they didn't use till they started experimenting at Huffman Prairie in 1904, and this plane is a later model than that, with blinkers, much longer truss, and an engine with upright cylinders.

At the earliest it is from 1906, the same year that Traian Vuia made the first flight here in Europe.

[AiRuMoR]

0_o

[waguinhoplay]

The two brothers, flew in the control of three officers and their wives in a kind of hang glider he was catapulted from bera a cliff and glided Dumont in the field of Mars opposite the Eiffel Tower for hundreds of people without the aid of any ramp or catapult, took off, as the planes are up to today, took a turn on the tower a few feet off the ground and landed safely, one thing is falling with style, another is taking off and landing flight. Case closed.

[IranEmsal]

fuck the flight i dont giva fuck 4 fucking first fucking flight all i fuckin care is to fly the fuckin modern airplane who give a fuck about who the fuck did the fuckin first fuckin fligh what the fuck n shit fuck!!!

[Shagohud]

it sucks ..... 14-bis was the first ..

how many airplanes now on days is catapulted ?? none

how many of those stuff wright brothers sold ?? none ...lol

[Friendo1231]

@Shagohud Wrong. Santos-Dumont did not fly the 14 Bis successfully until October 23, 1906 (huh- today is the 104th anniversary). The Wrights had been flying their Flyer I successfully since December 17, 1903).

You're also wrong about catapults and planes. Navies the world over with aircraft carriers all use catapult systems to launch aircraft. This has been done since the First World War with observation planes on ships (long before carriers, it was done with cruisers and battleships).

[BearFlight]

@Friendo1231 There is a book titled "From The Ground Up" about to be published and this book is the accumulation of 10 years of research by a group of aeronautical and aerospace engineers, from the USA, UK, and France. It is the most complete and thoroughly researched book on the subject of the early pioneers of flight in history. Period documents, science papers, letters, newspaper & magazine articles, photographs, and period films were used to detail the book's contents.

[Friendo1231]

@Shagohud In regards to your second comment, that they sold none of these machines which they made, that is simply blatantly incorrect. They started selling their Flyer III machines to the United States government (and even the British) as early as May 1906. Indeed, they were the first to do so. Their Flyer III was also the first aircraft in history to have a gun fired from it. Lt. Jacob E. Fickel fired a rifle at a 3-foot-by-5-foot target from an altitude of 100 feet on August 20, 1910.

[Friendo1231]

@Shagohud Finally, to seal the deal, know that the Federation Aeronautique Internationale recognizes Orville and Wilbur Wright as the first men to fly. Their exact statement which the credit the brothers with reads as follows: "...the first controlled, powered, sustained (from takeoff to landing) flight involving a heavier-than-air vehicle, using mechanically unassisted takeoff (thrust/lift created chiefly by onboard propulsion)."

[minibullterriers]

The Wright bros. invented the first controlled flight.

[MyMerlin1]

The Wright's may have invented the first real aeroplane ? But the credit for the invention of the jet engine goes to British inventer Sir Frank Whittle.

[luckykingkong]

@MyMerlin1

hoo no it was Subbaraya Shastry, The first person to invent aircraft with his own talent (by referring to vimana shastra) is Anekal Subbaraya shastri from Karnantaka INDIA , was designed by an Indian scientist Dr Talpede, who helped in constructing the ideas of Maharishi Subburaya Shastri which flew on Chowpatty Beach in Mumbai in the year 1895 in from of huge people to witness it.

though flying was a common news in ancient india

[makealilmoney]

@MyMerlin1 im guessing your british

[jackysew262]

I just realised that the horizontal stabilizer for the wright brother flight is infront of the wing.

[drewbrazil918]

14- BIS WAS THE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PvtGaryRoach]

@drewbrazil918 of course brazilians say the 14bis was the first because it was made by a BRAZILIAN inventor. Here's a wright brothers vs. Santo Dumont timeline: Wright Flyer I 1903, Wright Flyer II 1904, Wright Flyer III 1905 vs. 14-bis 1906. you do the math.

[Kiwilegend2]

Actually though there are no documents showing it, Richard Pearce from New Zealand flew first. BUT the wright brothers made the change

[GenericGene]

We are at a time in history 100 years down the track where the excitement of The Wright Bros & Others, Henry Ford and his Motor Car, Alexander Graham Bell, Guglielmo Marconi, Thomas Edison and his wonderful inventions & others that paved the development of the 20th Century has been reinstalled into the hearts and minds of those engaged in the development of technology passing into the 21st Century.

[warp13]

It is an insult to have that Curtiss pusher at :06, I am sure that this was an oversight? It was an unfortunate business merger.