dont you see this guy is mentally challenge, lol, i dont think it is right to try to humiliate him, he seriously has a brain problem of some sort! im talking about nephilim of course
1) Fill two five-gallon buckets halfway with water.
2) Get two metal plates the exact size of the buckets' inner diameter; one plate should have a half-inch-diameter hole in the center, the other a two-inch-diameter hole.
3) Place both plates on the surface of the water, then push them both down simultaneously so that they reach the bottom of the buckets at the same time.
4) Measure the velocities of the jets expelled.
It's like putting your thumb over the end of a garden hose. [continued]
Because so far the only thing atheists have proven is that they dont want to know and do not accept any evidence for it as they claim it always to be something other than evidence per se. So it is insane really to try to talk with an atheist who just denyes it all because this is what atheism is: disbelief. (and perhaps zeuzophobia or theophobia).
If people fall in trance it is psychosis, if it happens with a lot of them it is mass histeria, if all religions represent spirituality with auras...
Oh, my bad, I thought the challenge was to see if it was possible for a human to be creepier than Nephelimfree without actually torturing cheerleaders to death in his basement.
@JonasPlanck are you sure about that? Nephilim looks like the average engineer you meet on every office.
This ugly fuck however, unshaved and with a frigging poney tail(!) like any average vampirist. (I happen to know plenty of them as they usually like good music) or the guy who asks me for change.
...anyway, so much about "scientific debate" in here when what people are really discussing is how nephilim looks like... are you all a bunch of teenage girls or what?
@yanpagh I tend to make judgements based on behavior, mannerism, and speech, rather than mere physical appearance. It enables me to guage the quality of someone's character, because such judgement is done without prejudice or preconcieved notions, and it is important to understand what sort of person you're dealing with in most situations. I'm sorry you lack this ability, but it's clear from your statement that you wouldn't understand any genuine scientific debate anyway.
@JonasPlanck lol no you dont because if you did you would restrain from doing exacly what you claim to be against.
Just look at what you write to me (on condescendent tone as if you knew any better) its hilarious if not incredibly stupid, all you do in here is nag about anyone who does not share your same beliefs.
Because atheism is a mere belief (dictionaries agree) so just drop the attitude. You are not any better.
"Im sorry you lack this hability" lol, look who is talking.
@yanpagh Specifically, I'll cite your statement that "Atheists... always claim it's something other than evidence" ... this indicates that you believe third-hand unverified testimony from parties unknown constitutes "evidence", and the rejection of such flimsy claims is the result of a deep-rooted character flaw. By this reasoning, you SHOULD theoretically believe in evolution for the same reason you believe in God: somebody said so. There's your evidence. You must, therefore, be deeply flawed.
@JonasPlanck You like to assume stuff about people huh. I called you out, I told you to go out there find the places where the connections can be made and discover what there is, you just want to cower on your confy chair and virtually gangbang people who do have a spirituality higher than yours.
What you seem to have is theophobia, not knowledge.
When you criticise the way nephilim looks (completely ignoring thunderfoot looks), you forget this is no argument.
@JonasPlanck You like to assume stuff about people huh. I called you out, I told you to go out there find the places where the connections can be made and discover what there is, you just want to cower on your confy chair and virtually gangbang people who do have a spirituality higher than yours.
What you seem to have is theophobia, not knowledge.
When you criticise the way nephilim looks (completely ignoring thunderfoot looks), you forget this is no argument.
@yanpagh Specifically, I'll cite your statement that "Atheists... always claim it's something other than evidence" ... this indicates that you believe third-hand unverified testimony from parties unknown constitutes "evidence", and the rejection of such flimsy claims is the result of a deep-rooted character flaw. By this reasoning, you SHOULD theoretically believe in evolution for the same reason you believe in God: somebody said so. There's your evidence. You must, therefore, be deeply flawed.
@JonasPlanck Where did I say that? Do enlighten me. Nope, that means you are the third hand (more like fifteenth hand) unverified testimony, and it is simple to prove! here we go:
1) Explain to me how is it possible to exist multiple universes if God is not possible according to you, on an infinite universe.
2) Then explain to me if God would not be possible on a multiple universes theories (if this indeed exists) if all those infinite numbers of universes would be infinite as well.
@yanpagh You said that in the post I replied to. As I doubt you have physical evidence indicating that God is exactly as described in the Bible, I made some extrapolations based on your own reasoning. That's a common misunderstanding I have to face, creationists assume I'm an atheist because I say evolution is real. Evolution in no way indicates an absence of diety, merely that He prefers a hands-off approach to creating things. Indeed, the universe creates itself, perpetually.
@JonasPlanck lol go and find out and then yopu tell me, but first you do realise you need to go to find out first.
And your arguments are so pifious. Metaphysics, physics, biology, matematics, so many sciences... ...can you measure biology with matematics? Good luck there.
...tell you what, why dont you go and debate this with a muhammedan, you people seem to be on the same level.
@JonasPlanck lol go and find out and then yopu tell me, but first you do realise you need to go to find out first.
And your arguments are so pifious. Metaphysics, physics, biology, matematics, so many sciences... ...can you measure biology with matematics? Good luck there.
...tell you what, why dont you go and debate this with a muhammedan, you people seem to be on the same level.
@yanpagh to your thought experiment: Yes, given an infinite number of universes, not only would it be possible, it would be CERTAIN, as infinity would include everything, even that which is beyond our capability to imagine. So not only Jehovah, but EVERY OTHER GOD ever imagined and then an infinite number more would be real. However, it is impossible to prove infinity's existence, because it would take all of eternity to map it out, and you'd never reach a definitive conclusion.
@JonasPlanck "would be possible" my friend this universite is infinite, so of course there is possibility for this as well in here.
All the Gods represent exacly the same God, that was already concluded by Sokrates (reason why the priests of athens demanded his death on the first place and wanted Aristotles dead too later on) discussed by Plato (the original idea) and so on and so forth.
Culture is responsible for creating the differences, however the spirit is the same.
Water shooting from the earth to the moon?? Sometimes I have to wonder if people actually believe the shit they're saying or if they're just making a really elaborate joke.
The worst thing is, it's so unnecessary. They don't HAVE to make such ludicrous arguments to defend their faith. The Bible is already filled with absurdities, creating even more helps how?
WOW I almost feel like a different species of intelligent ape than these guys.
so why can't we comment on his videos or rate them ? CHicken you say ? so say the earth did flood ? the ship needed to hold all those animals would be way to large for eather the resorces or the old foggy to build . The book is just a bunch of fairy tales with some good morals mixed in .
@mtlwolf35 Some good morals... but mostly genocide, slavery, bigotry, murder, "justified" incest, torture, human and animal sacrifice, silly sexist dogma, jealousy, hate, "justified" child killing, and fairy tales. The challenge is to ferret the so-called "good" morals from the tyrannical justifications of every one of the most disgusting criminal behaviors encouraged by backward goat herders under the sun. So yeah, it has some good morals.
I support the Word and 6 days of creation. However I don't get anywhere in the Word that water shot out to the moon. The force for that would be crazy to over come gravity and also the water would have escaped our atmosphere.The time that the prevailed and the time they resided was about the same. Also if it hit the moon the water should remain on the moon especially inside the crater.
haha hipocrat. You dont get what God represents just let it go.
Not understanding something does not make you more clever,.
This thing of gangbanging one person at a time and not letting them expalin anything fully as you people constantly interrupt them to repeat disbelief (because you chose not to agree, and not because they have no arguments) is not a "debate" in any possible way..
I understand that religious people deserve some critiscism, however you people are not doing it any better.
@yanpagh realy...huh thats odd because if im not mistaken we have kind of disproved almost every point christianity has tried to make. you however seem content with filling your comment with ad-hominims rather than actuley saying what we dont understand about religion. also 19/20 times when im in an argument about religion the other person is constantly changing the subject as i disprove there points,so the whole "Atheists interupt them and dont let them finish what they are trying to say" thing
@werewolf873 hahahahaha no you have not disproven anything. You have merely embraced a mindset that denies sistematically anything spiritual, so on this sense you are not better than christianity itself with their dogmas.
Oh "I" am the one using ad-hominems? LMAO. Have you looked in a mirror today? Cry me a river.
What can I do, discussing with idiots on denial mode has its toll on people who happen to know more.
Criticising cXtianity is biting the hand that feeds you. Just saying.
@yanpagh "what can i do discussing with idiots in denial mode" we arent the ones in denial here. we believe,or rather we dont believe because your god simply fails in all cases to prove his existence. "critisising chrtistianity is biting the hand that feeds you" no critisising science is biting the hand that feeds you. just saying
@werewolf873 My God? What do you know about "my God"?
I can say with honesty you know nothing about "my God" therefore you shoud just keep quite, and perhaps learn one thing or twenty.
Am I even christian? You who claim to be all science, fails big time whenever you jump into conclusion, as you have no data available on this sense to make any sort of personal statements.
So after your display of innacurate assumptions you shoud just leave the debate, as you have failed to prove any point.
@yanpagh My god? What do you know about "my god"? well i know that no matter what religion you are "Your god" (meaning whatever god you happen to worship) has still failed to prove his existence. Ill tell you what,give me one instance where your god,whoever he may be,has proven undeniabley that he exists and ill take it all back. "you have failed toprove any point" I could say the exact same thing to you,my friend.
@werewolf873 ehr nope they have not failed to prove anything, you are the ones actually who still need to prove he does not exist when in fact every civilization no matter the distance has started with the belief in a God, so 100 out of a 100 is proof enough.
This being finally clarified, today religions believe in the darnest things, so you cannot really put them all in a bunch. Satanism cannot be the same as christianism that is not the same as buddhism (no "God"), and so on...
@mrkimkihoon this is no argument. proof is that all societies no matter how far from eachother had spiritual beliefs as their central motive, and auras are represented on all of those cultures. it is burden of proof, therefore. Atheists are the ones who need to prove their point, net people with spiritual beliefs.
Of course I can disprove spiderman as real because it was created by one person as a comic book character. This everybody knows and if you dont, you shoud.
@yanpagh how do you know spiderman is not divinely inspired? . Again, if i claim i have an invisible and etheral dragon, can u disprove it? so by your logic my dragon is real?
same goes to god
how do you know God isnt created by a person? how do you know the bible is true? and why must atheists use the bible as justification? all socits had spiritual beliefs? how do you know theyre not in delusion? what religion you choose? how about other religions? uve disproven them?
@mrkimkihoon dude I think that he knows it is not divinely inspired because the guy who created it said how he created it, and it has no reference to the divine so your argument is not just idiotic, but also ridiculous and completely lack any sort of knowledge.
And unless an atheist has evidence to things as the multiple universe you people shoud not be pointing fingers. And specially at chrsitians who actually seem to be one of the few tolerant religion on this planet.
LOL? the guy who created God also knows he created it but sadly at that point in time, people were uneducated and their fear got hold of em.
i can create as many unfalsifiable hyphotesis as i wan and you wont even be able to disprove any of em, do you even know what unfalsifiable hyphotesis means? no you dont. cos ure moron
God has reference to the divine? show me how and proofs?
we have disproven flat earth, geocentrism, creation etc? you r in delusion. kthxbye
@mrkimkihoon lol "the guy" who created God? What "guy" who created God? You mean the guys and gals on every culture spread around the world with no contact with eachother who happened to have similar revelations that there is more than just matter on this world and that for some odd coincidence decided to treat it with the same level of rewspect?
Lol, uneducated people are what we have today, just look at what shoud have been an argument: "cos ure moron"
@theawesomebeliever LOL? similar revelation? hows zeus similar to shiva? hows buddha's teaching the same as muhammad's teachings? same revelations? u mean Christianity? which was spread by the more advanced european at that time? hows the teaching of the great kulu of kilimanjaro similar to the jews? sorry cos ure moron is not an argument its a fact.
and it doesnt matter who believe them, it is a matter about whether if the beliefs can be justified. sadly no religions have been able to.
Are you laughing at your own lack of theological knowledge? I seriously hope so.
Check "sincretism", something african and native american religions use on a daily basis to escape both christian expansion before the age of enlightement and muhammedan persecution today.
All believe that in some Holy Iconic figure, all believe that there is a connection to it, all believe that they all have hells and nirvanas and all believe that they must follow. Cultures make it different.
@mrkimkihoon "sorry cos ure moron is not an argument its a fact." lol no, you are the moron, as you are the one unwilling to know any better.
I just explained something you shoud have asked before jumping into conclusion, and THIS is also something that makes a moron out of you, as this is a challenge, open for debate and therefore your position of "I cannot believe it" is not to be accepted or used. Savvy?
You become a moron for being obnoxious and not explaining any of your points like I do.
@theawesomebeliever ur whole comment dun even have a point. i explained that despite not all the pple believing in evolution/big bang ( cos they are in delusion just like you ),
evolution and the big bang theory can be demonstrated,observed and used to predict future occurences. e.g outbreak of new bacteria whereas all the people who are in delusion, who believe in God, failed to demonstrate God in real life and laboratory conditions.argue properly, if you have no points then just stfu savvy?
@mrkimkihoon dude you do not understand syncretism? Wow. "dun have a point"? How old are you to still think that writing imperfectly is somehow cool? It is not, you sound pathetic and specially on a debate level. I at least dont have english as my first language as an excuse.
Sure big bang and evolution THEORIES cant be demonstrated, and so can a religious book, a religious book can be demonstrated, a religious book is not even a mere a theory, it is a book! (lol) just using your own semantics.
@theawesomebeliever LOL i said demonstrated in real world and laboratory conditions you moron. why dont u demonstrate by firstly taking all the species in the planet on an ark. how about demonstrate creation? how about demonstrating sticks turning into snakes. how about demonstrating how blood can be used to disinfect diseases? how about u demonstrate how days and night were created without Earth
u just say your book can be demonstrated without actually showing examples, stfu
@mrkimkihoon Oh really you moron? And did you manage to create the universe on the laboratory as well you moron? Did you manage to create multiple universes on the lab you moron? Did you manage to create life on a lab you moron? Because those are the things you believe on, right? PROVE IT then, you moron.
I can demonstrate a book, I cannot demonstrate multiple universes. I am of course being sarcasting because you were being so ridiculous I could not hold it any longer.
@mrkimkihoon and this is the problem with you people, you polarise the argument, when you do much worse usually, sure, because there are some idiots that follow it without understanding anything so is it with you people who claim science to things not even possible to prove scientifically.
But you probably do not see the absurds on your own beliefs.
@mrkimkihoon Well one thing I can tell you, you can cure by prayers and you can make people sick by prayers. Not everybody can, however some people can.
And just because you find it absurd it does not mean you know anything about it, actually it just means you dont know squat about what you are talking.
Go to holy places (Not Jerusalem you dummy! There they will only sell you religious crap) go to the places that there is something special, visit people from animistic religions, the real deal.
@mrkimkihoon and your blind hatred and other signs of further imbecility cannot hide the fact that you are just afraid to get out there and see the truth for yourself.
Because you find it sitting in front of a computer.
I just hope you knew any better.
If you did, you would not be saying those things.
LOL and LOL... ...that proves NOTHING except your ignorant disregard for others. You do realise that, right?
@mrkimkihoon how can you say it is mere delusion if all out of all the cultures practice its worship. It is a fact.
Delusion happens on a small group of people who happen to be so self centered that they are not willing to be in connection with what there is.
If you refuse evidence just because you are afraid to seek for a spiritual experience (zeuzophobia? Theophobia?) even after I explained to you where to get valid proof, you seem to be the one deluding yourself, don't you think?
@theawesomebeliever to prove god i have to go to holy places? hahaha can u explain why some of those people who went to holy places end up being atheists?
to prove God is simple, u go to a hospital, and find 1000 patients who have brain cancer. they have survival rates of about 10 to 18% u dunoo that do you? LOL
all u have to do is to pray for these 1000 people so that all of em can be cured.
@mrkimkihoon omg you are an imbecile. Here, let me explain it to you:
To post a letter you need to go to a post office, to learn you need to go to a school to find a book you need to go to a library, to sue someone you need a lawyer therefore, to get in touch with the spiritual if you cannot do it yourself you need to go to holy places, talk with people who can guide you, be in touch with what is spiritual.
Or do you think you will be able to perceive anything stuck in front of a computer?
@theawesomebeliever do you think im born atheist? many of atheist are not originally atheist. lemme tell u i was both a muslim n a Christian. i find both religion dont at all have coherency with the world. Science has explained things that contradict religion. e.g flat earth, geocentrism and many more.
einstein and many scientists were once religious, the more knowledgeable we become the more we find things in religion are just fairytales. the one stuck in front of computer's you. go to school
@mrkimkihoon See you start already wrong. You cannot be both, because muslims consider christians to be filthy and as good as monkeys. Is it not said that Muhammed cursed christianity? Cant be both, already a phallacy.
Because you found two of the three most distructive religions of the world it does not mean that you have the right to sack the entire spiritual process. Its like sacking the entire medical profession because two hospitals were scamming people.
@mrkimkihoon and serious dude, stop trying to tell me what I shoud do, you are ridiculous in merely attempting to do so for several reasons:
1, atheism limis your capacity to rationalise possibilities.
2 atheism is also a belief, check the dictionary. (or go to school)
3 atheism is being used by people with a specific political agenda as a tool nowadays and you people are falling like the ducks you seem to be, and atheists will kill believers again, just read what you are writing.
@mrkimkihoon And about your Einstein and other brilliant minds "converting" to atheism, bullshit, brilliant minds have actually concluded that there is a God, Socrates was killed because he thought that all the gods were poetical license to one God and was saying it, Plato called it "the original idea" and Aristotle called it "unmoved mover" Einstein said he did not believe in a personal God (one who passes judgement on people) but rather the God described by Spinosa. Go to university my friend.
LOL atheism is a belief? that is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby. some people can cure? haha noone has even dared to prove it in laboratory conditions. all u can is say without justification and u expect people to buy your words?
lol other brilliant minds converting to atheists is bullshit? LOL do u even know the scientific community which are the reason to our improved healthcare,medicines,defence etc are 95% atheists? go to school not churches
@mrkimkihoon LOL didnt you know that atheism is the belief that there is no God?
Did you even check a dictionary to see what the term means before assuming it as your personal belief?
haha. You do not have evidence to claim that this has never dared to prove it on a laboratory. You just dont know about that and is making an assumption as you usually do.
Lol you didnt even knew that Einstein believed in God... ...how dumb are you? Guess who needs to go to school.
LOL atheism is a belief? u stupid? atheism is a lack of belief u dumbass simply because there is no evidence for god. LOL expanding universe is the proof for GOD??? LOL dun make leaps of faith. again u didnt even try to prove creation, or at least show me geological evidence of the biblical flood.
LOL mao and stalin killed in the name of communism not atheism, u cant differentiate them? learn history moron.
@mrkimkihoon lol ok, time to be socratic: do believe there is a God or do you believe that there is no God?
It is a belief. (the belief that there is no God)
You cannot say there is no evidence of God if 1000 out of a 1000 cultures so far no matter if cut from others believe in at least one God. we already been there and you failed.
The big bang is pretty much creation itself you dumb fuck. LOL
LMAO and atheism is the basis of communism. Denying this won't make you right, you imbecile.
@mrkimkihoon atheism is the belief that there is no God, or do you believe in God?
1000 out of 1000 cultures believe in something spiritual, they cannot be all wrong we already been there.
All these questions have already been answere and you put no valid argument, no evidence whatsopever and condiucted yourself poorly, you didnt even knew Einstein was a believer and you insist for odd reason I am a christian.
I guess you are too stupid to understand how big you failed on this debate.
@theawesomebeliever huh? they cannot all be wrong? if 1000 out of 1000 people believe killing wildlife is the best way to create living space for humans does that mean that killing wildlife is the best way ?
LOL so what if einstein was a believer? did he even proof that god exist? no his belief is simply based that since i dunno there must be a creator. just like all other civilisations out there.
LOL all the 1000 civilisations have never proven that god exist.
@theawesomebeliever u see that? u keep saying yeah God is proven.. can u give me the fking EVIDENCE? instead of just mere stating?
I didnt say einstein was an atheist i said he lost his FAITH in CHRISTIANITY and simply believed in a creator because he did not know how the universe simply started. and it doenst matter who believe in GOD no one has ever proven GOD's existence. i dun care if darwin,dawkins believe in GOd all i care is the evidence for god which no 1 have been able to give. IDIOT
@mrkimkihoon Are you a masochist? Still willing to get intellectually bitchslapped?
Atheists are not even a culture, just mere disbelief(!) There is your evidence if we are to use scientific method to prove it (1000 out of 1000 experiences on culture affirm that there is a God)
There are auras for instance, Kirlian photography that can scientifically prove it as well.
You on the other hand didnt even knew that you hero Einstein happened to be forced by evidence to believe in a God. IDIOT
@theawesomebeliever LOL einstein was forced by evidence LOL no he just happened to not know what happens in the beginning of the universe and assumed that there was a creator without any evidence, he just believed in God because he couldnt get any answer for the beginning of the universe not because there is evidence that god created the universe. dun twist the facts moron.
LOL? 1000 out of 1000 culture happens to believe in different beliefs how does that proof a god?
@theawesomebeliever huh? they cannot all be wrong? if 1000 out of 1000 people believe killing wildlife is the best way to create living space for humans does that mean that killing wildlife is the best way ?
LOL so what if einstein was a believer? did he even proof that god exist? no his belief is simply based that since i dunno there must be a creator. just like all other civilisations out there.
LOL all the 1000 civilisations have never proven that god exist.
@theawesomebeliever LOL atheism is not a belief u stupid. it is the LACK OF BELIEF OF A GOD ? saying atheism is a belief is like saying idling is sport.
so what? 1000 civilisations have never proven anything. do u suppose if 10 people came to you and say that there is an invisible and etherial OCtopus god living in the sky then those people are saying the truth simply because there is 10 people saying the same thing? LOL even in law eye witness alone cant be used to put some1 in jail.
all these questions have been answered? can u give examples of how they were answered? pls???? how many times must i say to you, if u wan say anything please back up your claims with EVIDENCE !!!!!!
WELL i dont expect someone who believe in a GOD to give me evidence anyway, you will never will LOL
@mrkimkihoon I provided you with plenty of evidence, lying that I did not when I even had to correct you about Einstein... ...you are the kind of people that give atheism a bad name.
Go read, study the topic at depth and stop behaving like a 10 years old cretin with your stupid miserable ignorant rants against metaphysics. "dun"
Einstein "the most brilliant mind of all times" an atheist... LOL
why do you keep mentioning einstein? he gave up his faith in christianity to believe in a god who pertains the rule of universe. but so what? has he demonstrated how GOD is real? evidence ? evidence for god? where? that 1000 out of 1000 believe in a god? i told you. anyone can believe in anything so what? i can find 1000 morons that still believe that Earth is the centre of the universe? just because that 1000 believe so, does that mean earth is the centre?
I keep mentioning Einstein to try to sink on your thick skull that you are wrong in many of your claims if not in all of them.
I keep on mentioning einstein and 1000 out of 1000 in the hopes that you realise that you are so wrong you shoud just leave to reflect about all dasta I provided you so far.
I keep on repeating myself because you are doing the same.
I am however right on my remarks while you are not. Hence I will gladly contiunue to repeat myself.
LOL sorry but u have failed hard to understand what the argument is and in fact u probably dont understand whatever youre saying. your logic is simply irrational and is a failure.
what data? LOL culture again? I DUN FKING CARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A CULTURE IS DERIVED FROM SPIRITUALISM. what i care is whether or not their SPIRITUALISM IS JUSTIFIED by evidence and not mere faith.
if faith is the only thing u can give well too bad i dun have faith. deluded moron
LOL the fact that u asked me to demonstrate how to create the universe tells that u know absolutely nothing about the big bang.
the big bang is demonstrated not only with mathematical equations, but also evidence that the universe is expanding, through particle colliders, cosmic microwaves, galactic evolution and primordial elements.
we can observe the effects and through the theory, we can predict the future.
what can your god do? haha so can u demonstrate creation?
@mrkimkihoon LULZ the fact that you are twisting my words (I asked you to PROVE your claims, something you have failed so far in doing) proves that you are just parroting jargons without really knowing anything about anything.
You dont even know that atheism is nothing but a belief that there is no God.
lol.
The evidence that the universe is expanding just proves God as it all is happening in an orderly manner.
Theories are not facts. Stop pissing against the wind.
What is your problem in understanding I am not of one of those mosaic book religions? This still does not disprove the evidence of spirituality on this culture!
You havent demonstrated ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to your previous claims and I even debunked your claim that Einsten would be an atheist.
You are owned dude, get over yourself.
You just happen to believe there is no God, so you will just repeat yourself even if I debunk yuou as I have done so far. FU
@theawesomebeliever the one who keeps repeating himself despite being debunked is you. MORON.
if u happen to not understand how primordial elements and cosmic microwave background radiation are proof of the big bang and that particle colliders are able to demonstrate what exaclty happens just after the big bang. then u have noone to blame but your own stupidity for not understanding science
i told you, i didnt say einstein was an atheist, I SAID HE GAVE UP CHRISTIANITY TO BELIEVE IN OTHER GOD SIMPLY BECAUSE HE doesnt have an answer to the beginning of the universe !!
not because the evidence somehow points to god. WILL U PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE POINT?
i can still find few people who believe that star wars is real. but just because they believe in star wars? does that make star wars real? i have no rational to believe in their belief until they have demonstrated how star wars is real. and SAME TO GOD, until someone demonstrate how god is real, i dun care whether there are 1 billion people believing in a god, i have no reason to believe in a god.
seriously, get your logic fixed. is that the best argument u can come up wth
your logic is that if 1000 out of 1000 believe in something then that something must be real? LOL has that 1000 demonstrate how is god real? no they just simply believe in something. anyone can have any belief as long as it satisfies him.
anyone can believe that galactus from DC comic is real, but as long as noone has been able to demonstrate how galactus is real, i dont have any rational to believe in galactus. same goes to GOD
@mrkimkihoon My logic? Science! My poor dumb fuck.
1000 cases out of 1000 cases confirm that this is such. Then comes an some psychopat with a political agenda claiming otherwise because he want to be worshipped as God (I bet you lost me here) and suddenlly it is all wrong? Go fuck yourself.
You keep coming back without no proof, without no evidence, just a pathetic kneejerk and name calling. LOL
@theawesomebeliever LOL 1000 cases? what cases? where is your proof? i told you any civilisation can belief in anything up to them. but has any civilisation demonstrate how god is real?? instead of mere believing? if all you can give is FAITH then dun link that with science. they both belong to different category
life needs time to evolve and microscopic lifeforms apperas 2 billion years after the earth had been formed.
what we can do is to produce amino acids which is the basic of life simply by running through electricy, which of course is already existed in Earth long time ago.
, what else do you wan me to explain? evolution? LOL
u response to my challenge with ad hominems w/o even demonstrating your 'book'. just please stfu
u just shut your eyes of reason and evidence. . LOL einstein said himself that through reading science books he concluded that the bible coulndt be true. he however through his theory revealed that the universe has a beginning and because of that he believe in higher power. Even so, his God is different from in a way that his God is more about the order of the universe and not some god who cares about whether or not humans believe in Him
@mrkimkihoon Stop trying to shift the blame and realise what you are doing.
When you failed even on your claims that Einstein was an atheist, and that there is no proof for auras despite the fact that it is depicted on all religions, and pictures taken of such, and scientific method that proves that 1000 out of 1000 cultures have spirituality as core, you are the one failing to deliver here.
Not to mention your uncalled for adhominem attempts to anger me what just makes you wrong by default.
1000 cultures have spirituality as a core? so what??? have they demonstrate spirituality? of course any culture have a belief system, it is what kept them together.
LOL i told you i didnt say einstein was an atheist i said he gave up his faith in christianity to believe in other god because he couldnt find answer to the beginning of the universe!
his belief is simply, ' i dunno what happened so goddidit!' that doesnt prove anything
LOL i didnt say einstein was an atheist u dumbfuck.
if u wan more brilliant minds who are atheist i can give u loads.
in the science community in advanced countries, 90% of them are atheist. you should be thanking these atheists for all the innovations that came to this world.
@yanpagh LOL? did i remove the post? LOL u people can only talk without proof.
i said einstein lost his faith in Christianity simply because sciece contradicts the bible and he looked for another God that satisfy his view of the universe.
why is that so hard to understand?
and so what? u all have been here claiming that there is a god wihout giving any proof
find your evidence and proof before making any argument, u cant put someone in jail simply by stating.
@yanpagh awesomebeliever couldn't pawn his watch, much less anyone here. Mrkim... only mistake was saying Einstein left christianity, instead of Judaism. It doesn't matter if Einstein was Atheist or not. He was smart enough to know that no current religion was accurate. If he chose to cling to a grand creator, that's on him.
@veggiescrub Please define the expression "pawn his watch", english is not my first language.
I dont think I nor anyone in here except probably some usually misguided atheist, had any doubts about Einsteins religious beliefs.
I am not sure why people believe that he is such a "genius" when he only took credit for other peoples works. Niels Bohr had to literarily explain things to him like talking to a child.
Your assumption about religions: which religions? Do you know all religions?
@theawesomebeliever are you blind? i said amino acids are the basics of life not life.
creating life from non life will take billions of years. but what we have alreayd proven is that the basic of lifeforms can be created naturally and with time, lifeforms will form.
i dunno how u wan me to illustrate if u are just too stupid to understand science,
and what happen to curing thru prayer? u just keep changing topics when ure losing the argument. find me an evidence of faith healing will you?
and so what? metaphysics is philosophical how does that relate to proving anything? LOL study science kid. for the last time ( i hope ) i didnt fking say einstein was an atheist i just said hes a non Christian. stupid
@Trampadoo and what would you know about metaphysics to state that.
I believe that metaphysics was created for a very nescessary reason (who was the same that created physics) would not even had considered it for a minute.
You just happen to believe that there is nothing spiritual on this world so this makes you no better, actually, this limits your capacity of perception, a nescessary tool for feeling and understanding.
There you have it. There is no prove for metaphysics. I have absolutely no problem with you believing in that kind of stuff (one of my aunts and my mother's best friend do as well) but don't insult others on the basis of not buying into it.
If there was proof for metaphysics I would acknowledge and accept it. No need for mere belief in it, I would simply accept it.
@Trampadoo Well since you are trying to pla a dirty trick: I can say with certainty that metaphysics was created for a practical reason, as the same person who created physics also created metaphysics.
You did not deny you believe in atheism, so it is also a belief unlike a science as physics or/and metaphysics.
Does this bother you? Why so?
There is plenty of evidence, such evidence is just denied or called something else.
There is a reason why the "evidence" gets rejected.
And atheism is not a blieve. It is a negative, the absense of a blieve, the lack of believe. I was born an atheist, I remained and atheist. I never stated to believe in gods or the supernatural which are all believes that can't be proven.
@Trampadoo The reason for rejection is political bias.
There is a strong and influent ideology that is against all forms of spirituality (as it is outside the control of the state it cannot exist)
And if you cannot understand the line above you got a problem, not I.
My only problem with your beliefs is that atheism is being used as cannonfodder on this ideological struggle. I try to explain it in some of my videos however I am not sure atheists are getting it as your propaganda is intense.
I don't have any beliefs. I lack beliefs. You repeating it won't turn atheism into a belief. I acknowledge, accept and know things based on fact and evidence and will revise thos knowledge should it turn out that it was wrong and I will also add to that knowledge if there is evidence. If there is evidence for metaphysics I will not believe in them, I will acknowledge and accept the fact it exist.
@Trampadoo well documented facts, no conspiracy theories, just look for instance what happened on latin america during the 60/70ies.
You lack of knowledge shoud not make you feel entitled to belittle if you claim to be a free thinker. and this is what is really annoying when talking with people like you, as you utterly believe you know more than someone who knows more than you just because they consider the spiritual.
And don't get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with you believing in that stuff. I respect my aunt as well, she's a lovely and clever lady. But don't try to redefine a lack of belief as belief so you can strengthen your position and tell youself that the absense of belief for lack of evidence is the same as believing in something that lacks evidence.
@Trampadoo Ehr, of course you do have a problem with spirituality regardless of what I believe and your denial . When you call things as militant socialism using atheists as cannon fodder as mere conspiracy theory you are ignoring a lot of data.
To redefine? Ok, answer me: do you believe in atheism? Yes or no?
It is a belief and you shoud have realised it by now.
@Trampadoo My position is already strong enough. 1000 out of 1000 cultures with a set of spiritual beliefs is proof enough, even if we apply scientific method (100 out of a 100 times, observation, etc)
Auras, another evidence depicted on all cultures. So tell me what is your view on the Kirlian machine, a hoax? Come on man, think!
Shamans have been saying for ages that all is energy (all is power, everything is alive, vibrations, etc)
You people are just being had by oportunists as Dawkins.
Most cultures also formed religion yet not a single one could prove that their god(s) exist. You can eat at McDonalds all over the world and yet that does not make their food any less unhealthy rubbish.
@Trampadoo Now careful there, as this is obviously an area you seem to know naught about as I can clearly see.
Many atheists who visited such culturess realised their spirituality, a good example is Pierre Verger, a french photografer who ended his days as a highpriest in one of such cultures.
Such cultures have a lot to teach and we are fools on not listening to what they have to say.
Atheism is like the rubbish from MacDonalds, the big city loss of touch with reality, the wannabe's.
Atheism out of tough with reality? Hahah, precious. XD Man, are you deluded. You didn't really get the McDonalds metaphor, did you?
Since our loss of reality seem to go hand in hand with low homicide and rape rates, low teenage pregancy, STD infection, abortion and drug abuse rates and a lack of censorship in the media I am pretty contend with our rejection of hocus pocus which keeps us from becoming highpriests of cults. XD
For instance, you failed to reply to my questions about the kirlian machine and you believe that things as fabian socialism and the Frankfurt School (not the business one) are conspiracy theories.
To deny all spirituality just because a group of marxists claim there is no such thing by sistematically denying data and calling it something else is a bit too far fetched.
Abortion, STD infection and drug abuse are direct consequences of atheism.
"Abortion, STD infection and drug abuse are direct consequences of atheism."
Bwahaha, reality check for you: Western and Northerns European countries = most secular, atheist nations of the world/lowest believe in god rates. Incidentally we also have the lowest homicide, rape, teen preg, abortion, STD infection and drug abuse rates. Atheist are also extremely underrepresented in prisons.
So how do you explain that the much more religious USA and other countries with high 'believe in god' rates have much higher homicide, rape, teen preg (6-8 times higher than in Europe, the highest in the most religious states), abortion (direct result of teen preg rates), STD infection (less condom use for religious reasons) and drug abuse rates than secular European countries?
Wait, it's all a conspiracy of us evil atheists. We just behave well to make theists look bad!
@Trampadoo You still has not answered my question about the kirlian machine.
Are you trying to annoy me with refusing to reply to my questions and instead repeating absurd statements?
In religious countries teenagers can marry and institute family without being split by sec. government forcing abortions while throwing the teenager male in jail for statutory rape.
Drug abuse and STD skyrockets in Europe like the black plague today, you shoud know that if you believe atheism makes you wiser.
None of what you just wrote changes the facts that religious USA has far higher homicide, rape, teen preg (especially in extremely religious states and lets add high divorce rates to that sad record), STD infection and drug abuse than secular Europe. If you call 3-5 times lower STD rates than the US skyrocketing, dream on.. XD
Secular = healthier society on all fronts. Fact. :)
@Trampadoo So you are saying that auras are a physical phaenomena? Is this how the game goes? If you can prove it, then it is nothing metaphysical? So all religions were wrong in saying there is aura when auras now can be scientifically proven?
@theawesomebeliever: So you have prove that a physical phenomenon is the same thing, 'aura' that religious people imagined just like they imagined a god or all kinds of other magic? XD
And again, list what you claim I made up! Where are your sources? Where are the sources better than the actual offices that have all the data? Where are the sources better than the studies ordered by the christian morons who thought abstinence reduces teen preg, STD and abortion?
@Trampadoo If we check atheistic countries as North Korea, China, the previous communistic countires you will see that the rate on rape, teen preg (eliminated by forced abortions) and suicide not to mention drug abuse and STD are not only higher but are not even allowed data about.
Not to mention death by starvation or diferent opinion.
And you defend this without knowing any of it because it is obvious you are just making shit up as I have to explain it to you.
*lol* And you want to conclude exactely what from nonexistant data? North Korea is a terror regime. And if you had ever been to China you would know that these ppl are extremely spiritual, believe in all kinds of metaphysical stuff. And how do you get around the facts about the US and Europe?
"death by starvation or different opinion"
You mean like in super-christian Southafrica? Or insane crime rates in Southamerica?
@Trampadoo Again you point a easy to explain thing I said because I was not precise while you cannot even answer my question about the kirlian machine.
So you want to be annoying, hence, you are being Ill intended, shoud I treat you with the same disregard?
They do not allow to leak data about it. Dont be stupid, I thought you were clever than that.
Secularism divides church from state, it does not make it atheistic, many secular states are very religious..
And I studies Latin in school for six years. Not sure why you break the sentence off in the middle.
Ooooh, I see, I get it. Basically anything that completely contradicts your delusions is part of the big conspiracy theory, right? They are aaaall out to get you. The US and EU crimical and health offices have only one goal: to make religious countries look bad. No wait, you mean the US wants to make itself look bad? Interesting. XD
@Trampadoo my delusions? You think that fabian socialism is conspiracy theory and it is my delusion?
You fail to see that you can now take pictures of auras proving metaphysics and why it was nescessary, and I am delusional?
You claim to know more and yet you are even unaware of the fact that thanks to atheism crime rates and drug abuse abortion and divorce are skyrocketing and Im the one deluded?
Dude, you have so much faith on your beliefs that you cannot even accept the most basic facts.
A simple physical phenomenon is no prove for metaphysics, sorry. Try again. XD
Atheists in the US and EU are extremely underrepresented in prisons. Ergo atheists are the most unlikely persons to commit crimes. ^_^ Homicide, rape, teen preg, STD, drug abuse are much higher in the much more religious USA. Fact. That are extremly low rates might increase in the UK for example does not make theists look better. Teen preg and divorce are higher in religious US states. Fact.
This was just one example that took you actually way too long to reply and I had to squeeze it out of you, and you did exacly what I said you would on the beggining of our debate.
That you do not wish to believe, fine, that you buy the propaganda that it does not exist because there is no evidence? Bullshit.
Your data is wrong, and you are not connecting the dots, told you before.
It's official data from the respective criminal and health offices as well as peer-reviews scientific studies. If you want to be taken seriously you will have to provide your sources that are at least as reliable, official and provide data as extensive. So where are your sources, coward. ^_^
I will acknowledge and accept the existence of god as soon as there is the tiniest speck of actual evidence. Otherwise I can just believe in fairies and wizzards.
@Trampadoo So you are actually telling me that the criminal data implies that religious people are pro abortion, that there is no high levels of STD and drug abuse on secular countries? LMAO
Stop being so rabidly bigotted, I just want you to be fair enough with facts and to stop being a douche just because I happen to know enough to consider spirituality valid.
I just quoted a speck of actual evidence (Kirlian machine) and you ran away from replying.
@Trampadoo and another one, you are only replying in here and not on my channel because on the hopes that other atheists team up with you in here, that also makes you a coward.
You might even have what is called zeuzophobia and/or theophobia.
And yes, yet another thing you probably did not know that I will have to end up explaining you about.
A fanatic, intellectually lazy, and a coward. how can you live with yourself?
And Western and Northern Europe as well as a couple of Eastern European countries have extremely low rates of ppl who believe in god. Fact, documented in dozens of census data. So unfortuantely for you, most European countries are secular AND don't give a shit about god. Church attandence is down to under 10%.
So far you have been incorrect in all accounts and still fail to list what you claim I made up.
Did he show up for this?
zanderaw 1 day ago
NephilimFree's already challenged enough.
psyoptica 1 month ago 6
dont you see this guy is mentally challenge, lol, i dont think it is right to try to humiliate him, he seriously has a brain problem of some sort! im talking about nephilim of course
lapmarty 1 month ago 2
Dude your accent is awesome
mimikawaii7386 1 month ago
1) Fill two five-gallon buckets halfway with water.
2) Get two metal plates the exact size of the buckets' inner diameter; one plate should have a half-inch-diameter hole in the center, the other a two-inch-diameter hole.
3) Place both plates on the surface of the water, then push them both down simultaneously so that they reach the bottom of the buckets at the same time.
4) Measure the velocities of the jets expelled.
It's like putting your thumb over the end of a garden hose. [continued]
AlexisBrookeM 3 months ago
*This*, I am assuming, is Nephilimfree's reasoning.
AlexisBrookeM 3 months ago
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mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
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mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
Because so far the only thing atheists have proven is that they dont want to know and do not accept any evidence for it as they claim it always to be something other than evidence per se. So it is insane really to try to talk with an atheist who just denyes it all because this is what atheism is: disbelief. (and perhaps zeuzophobia or theophobia).
If people fall in trance it is psychosis, if it happens with a lot of them it is mass histeria, if all religions represent spirituality with auras...
yanpagh 5 months ago
Oh, my bad, I thought the challenge was to see if it was possible for a human to be creepier than Nephelimfree without actually torturing cheerleaders to death in his basement.
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck of course it is possible, just look at thunderf00t, now, that is an ugly motherfucker. xD
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh righton. No wonder he doesnt even want to believe in a God. Imagine him when he is crying.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@yanpagh Yeah, he's ugly, but he doesn't give you the initial impression that he has a suit made from human skin in his closet, like Neffy does...
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck are you sure about that? Nephilim looks like the average engineer you meet on every office.
This ugly fuck however, unshaved and with a frigging poney tail(!) like any average vampirist. (I happen to know plenty of them as they usually like good music) or the guy who asks me for change.
...anyway, so much about "scientific debate" in here when what people are really discussing is how nephilim looks like... are you all a bunch of teenage girls or what?
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh I tend to make judgements based on behavior, mannerism, and speech, rather than mere physical appearance. It enables me to guage the quality of someone's character, because such judgement is done without prejudice or preconcieved notions, and it is important to understand what sort of person you're dealing with in most situations. I'm sorry you lack this ability, but it's clear from your statement that you wouldn't understand any genuine scientific debate anyway.
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck lol no you dont because if you did you would restrain from doing exacly what you claim to be against.
Just look at what you write to me (on condescendent tone as if you knew any better) its hilarious if not incredibly stupid, all you do in here is nag about anyone who does not share your same beliefs.
Because atheism is a mere belief (dictionaries agree) so just drop the attitude. You are not any better.
"Im sorry you lack this hability" lol, look who is talking.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh Specifically, I'll cite your statement that "Atheists... always claim it's something other than evidence" ... this indicates that you believe third-hand unverified testimony from parties unknown constitutes "evidence", and the rejection of such flimsy claims is the result of a deep-rooted character flaw. By this reasoning, you SHOULD theoretically believe in evolution for the same reason you believe in God: somebody said so. There's your evidence. You must, therefore, be deeply flawed.
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck You like to assume stuff about people huh. I called you out, I told you to go out there find the places where the connections can be made and discover what there is, you just want to cower on your confy chair and virtually gangbang people who do have a spirituality higher than yours.
What you seem to have is theophobia, not knowledge.
When you criticise the way nephilim looks (completely ignoring thunderfoot looks), you forget this is no argument.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck You like to assume stuff about people huh. I called you out, I told you to go out there find the places where the connections can be made and discover what there is, you just want to cower on your confy chair and virtually gangbang people who do have a spirituality higher than yours.
What you seem to have is theophobia, not knowledge.
When you criticise the way nephilim looks (completely ignoring thunderfoot looks), you forget this is no argument.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh Specifically, I'll cite your statement that "Atheists... always claim it's something other than evidence" ... this indicates that you believe third-hand unverified testimony from parties unknown constitutes "evidence", and the rejection of such flimsy claims is the result of a deep-rooted character flaw. By this reasoning, you SHOULD theoretically believe in evolution for the same reason you believe in God: somebody said so. There's your evidence. You must, therefore, be deeply flawed.
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck Where did I say that? Do enlighten me. Nope, that means you are the third hand (more like fifteenth hand) unverified testimony, and it is simple to prove! here we go:
1) Explain to me how is it possible to exist multiple universes if God is not possible according to you, on an infinite universe.
2) Then explain to me if God would not be possible on a multiple universes theories (if this indeed exists) if all those infinite numbers of universes would be infinite as well.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh You said that in the post I replied to. As I doubt you have physical evidence indicating that God is exactly as described in the Bible, I made some extrapolations based on your own reasoning. That's a common misunderstanding I have to face, creationists assume I'm an atheist because I say evolution is real. Evolution in no way indicates an absence of diety, merely that He prefers a hands-off approach to creating things. Indeed, the universe creates itself, perpetually.
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck lol go and find out and then yopu tell me, but first you do realise you need to go to find out first.
And your arguments are so pifious. Metaphysics, physics, biology, matematics, so many sciences... ...can you measure biology with matematics? Good luck there.
...tell you what, why dont you go and debate this with a muhammedan, you people seem to be on the same level.
yanpagh 5 months ago
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@JonasPlanck lol go and find out and then yopu tell me, but first you do realise you need to go to find out first.
And your arguments are so pifious. Metaphysics, physics, biology, matematics, so many sciences... ...can you measure biology with matematics? Good luck there.
...tell you what, why dont you go and debate this with a muhammedan, you people seem to be on the same level.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh to your thought experiment: Yes, given an infinite number of universes, not only would it be possible, it would be CERTAIN, as infinity would include everything, even that which is beyond our capability to imagine. So not only Jehovah, but EVERY OTHER GOD ever imagined and then an infinite number more would be real. However, it is impossible to prove infinity's existence, because it would take all of eternity to map it out, and you'd never reach a definitive conclusion.
JonasPlanck 5 months ago
@JonasPlanck "would be possible" my friend this universite is infinite, so of course there is possibility for this as well in here.
All the Gods represent exacly the same God, that was already concluded by Sokrates (reason why the priests of athens demanded his death on the first place and wanted Aristotles dead too later on) discussed by Plato (the original idea) and so on and so forth.
Culture is responsible for creating the differences, however the spirit is the same.
yanpagh 5 months ago
Water shooting from the earth to the moon?? Sometimes I have to wonder if people actually believe the shit they're saying or if they're just making a really elaborate joke.
backwoodsninja 5 months ago 4
@backwoodsninja
The worst thing is, it's so unnecessary. They don't HAVE to make such ludicrous arguments to defend their faith. The Bible is already filled with absurdities, creating even more helps how?
WOW I almost feel like a different species of intelligent ape than these guys.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 and atheism is any better with their beliefs on multiple universes and that there is absolutely nothing metaphysical how?
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
Atheism is simply, and nothing more, than a lack of a belief in gods.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
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@superhamzah85 exacly hence a belief that God does not exist.
Have you checked the dictionary for a definition?
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
so why can't we comment on his videos or rate them ? CHicken you say ? so say the earth did flood ? the ship needed to hold all those animals would be way to large for eather the resorces or the old foggy to build . The book is just a bunch of fairy tales with some good morals mixed in .
mtlwolf35 6 months ago
@mtlwolf35 Some good morals... but mostly genocide, slavery, bigotry, murder, "justified" incest, torture, human and animal sacrifice, silly sexist dogma, jealousy, hate, "justified" child killing, and fairy tales. The challenge is to ferret the so-called "good" morals from the tyrannical justifications of every one of the most disgusting criminal behaviors encouraged by backward goat herders under the sun. So yeah, it has some good morals.
dan91709 5 months ago
@dan91709 yep , thats what i'm saying :)
mtlwolf35 5 months ago
@mtlwolf35 :)
dan91709 5 months ago
I support the Word and 6 days of creation. However I don't get anywhere in the Word that water shot out to the moon. The force for that would be crazy to over come gravity and also the water would have escaped our atmosphere.The time that the prevailed and the time they resided was about the same. Also if it hit the moon the water should remain on the moon especially inside the crater.
pgfracing 6 months ago
haha hipocrat. You dont get what God represents just let it go.
Not understanding something does not make you more clever,.
This thing of gangbanging one person at a time and not letting them expalin anything fully as you people constantly interrupt them to repeat disbelief (because you chose not to agree, and not because they have no arguments) is not a "debate" in any possible way..
I understand that religious people deserve some critiscism, however you people are not doing it any better.
yanpagh 6 months ago
@yanpagh realy...huh thats odd because if im not mistaken we have kind of disproved almost every point christianity has tried to make. you however seem content with filling your comment with ad-hominims rather than actuley saying what we dont understand about religion. also 19/20 times when im in an argument about religion the other person is constantly changing the subject as i disprove there points,so the whole "Atheists interupt them and dont let them finish what they are trying to say" thing
werewolf873 5 months ago
@werewolf873 hahahahaha no you have not disproven anything. You have merely embraced a mindset that denies sistematically anything spiritual, so on this sense you are not better than christianity itself with their dogmas.
Oh "I" am the one using ad-hominems? LMAO. Have you looked in a mirror today? Cry me a river.
What can I do, discussing with idiots on denial mode has its toll on people who happen to know more.
Criticising cXtianity is biting the hand that feeds you. Just saying.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh "what can i do discussing with idiots in denial mode" we arent the ones in denial here. we believe,or rather we dont believe because your god simply fails in all cases to prove his existence. "critisising chrtistianity is biting the hand that feeds you" no critisising science is biting the hand that feeds you. just saying
werewolf873 5 months ago
@werewolf873 My God? What do you know about "my God"?
I can say with honesty you know nothing about "my God" therefore you shoud just keep quite, and perhaps learn one thing or twenty.
Am I even christian? You who claim to be all science, fails big time whenever you jump into conclusion, as you have no data available on this sense to make any sort of personal statements.
So after your display of innacurate assumptions you shoud just leave the debate, as you have failed to prove any point.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh My god? What do you know about "my god"? well i know that no matter what religion you are "Your god" (meaning whatever god you happen to worship) has still failed to prove his existence. Ill tell you what,give me one instance where your god,whoever he may be,has proven undeniabley that he exists and ill take it all back. "you have failed toprove any point" I could say the exact same thing to you,my friend.
werewolf873 5 months ago
@werewolf873 ehr nope they have not failed to prove anything, you are the ones actually who still need to prove he does not exist when in fact every civilization no matter the distance has started with the belief in a God, so 100 out of a 100 is proof enough.
This being finally clarified, today religions believe in the darnest things, so you cannot really put them all in a bunch. Satanism cannot be the same as christianism that is not the same as buddhism (no "God"), and so on...
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh LOL? pls, the burden of proof lies with the one who claim watever shit he claims..
If i claim i own a dragon, u have to disprove i have a dragon? LOL no i have to prove my claim..
and talking about disproving, why dont u disprove spiderman? then ill use the same method you use to disprove god. thanks
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon this is no argument. proof is that all societies no matter how far from eachother had spiritual beliefs as their central motive, and auras are represented on all of those cultures. it is burden of proof, therefore. Atheists are the ones who need to prove their point, net people with spiritual beliefs.
Of course I can disprove spiderman as real because it was created by one person as a comic book character. This everybody knows and if you dont, you shoud.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh how do you know spiderman is not divinely inspired? . Again, if i claim i have an invisible and etheral dragon, can u disprove it? so by your logic my dragon is real?
same goes to god
how do you know God isnt created by a person? how do you know the bible is true? and why must atheists use the bible as justification? all socits had spiritual beliefs? how do you know theyre not in delusion? what religion you choose? how about other religions? uve disproven them?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon dude I think that he knows it is not divinely inspired because the guy who created it said how he created it, and it has no reference to the divine so your argument is not just idiotic, but also ridiculous and completely lack any sort of knowledge.
And unless an atheist has evidence to things as the multiple universe you people shoud not be pointing fingers. And specially at chrsitians who actually seem to be one of the few tolerant religion on this planet.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL? the guy who created God also knows he created it but sadly at that point in time, people were uneducated and their fear got hold of em.
i can create as many unfalsifiable hyphotesis as i wan and you wont even be able to disprove any of em, do you even know what unfalsifiable hyphotesis means? no you dont. cos ure moron
God has reference to the divine? show me how and proofs?
we have disproven flat earth, geocentrism, creation etc? you r in delusion. kthxbye
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon lol "the guy" who created God? What "guy" who created God? You mean the guys and gals on every culture spread around the world with no contact with eachother who happened to have similar revelations that there is more than just matter on this world and that for some odd coincidence decided to treat it with the same level of rewspect?
Lol, uneducated people are what we have today, just look at what shoud have been an argument: "cos ure moron"
You are barking at the wrong tree.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever LOL? similar revelation? hows zeus similar to shiva? hows buddha's teaching the same as muhammad's teachings? same revelations? u mean Christianity? which was spread by the more advanced european at that time? hows the teaching of the great kulu of kilimanjaro similar to the jews? sorry cos ure moron is not an argument its a fact.
and it doesnt matter who believe them, it is a matter about whether if the beliefs can be justified. sadly no religions have been able to.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon
Are you laughing at your own lack of theological knowledge? I seriously hope so.
Check "sincretism", something african and native american religions use on a daily basis to escape both christian expansion before the age of enlightement and muhammedan persecution today.
All believe that in some Holy Iconic figure, all believe that there is a connection to it, all believe that they all have hells and nirvanas and all believe that they must follow. Cultures make it different.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon "sorry cos ure moron is not an argument its a fact." lol no, you are the moron, as you are the one unwilling to know any better.
I just explained something you shoud have asked before jumping into conclusion, and THIS is also something that makes a moron out of you, as this is a challenge, open for debate and therefore your position of "I cannot believe it" is not to be accepted or used. Savvy?
You become a moron for being obnoxious and not explaining any of your points like I do.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever ur whole comment dun even have a point. i explained that despite not all the pple believing in evolution/big bang ( cos they are in delusion just like you ),
evolution and the big bang theory can be demonstrated,observed and used to predict future occurences. e.g outbreak of new bacteria whereas all the people who are in delusion, who believe in God, failed to demonstrate God in real life and laboratory conditions.argue properly, if you have no points then just stfu savvy?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon dude you do not understand syncretism? Wow. "dun have a point"? How old are you to still think that writing imperfectly is somehow cool? It is not, you sound pathetic and specially on a debate level. I at least dont have english as my first language as an excuse.
Sure big bang and evolution THEORIES cant be demonstrated, and so can a religious book, a religious book can be demonstrated, a religious book is not even a mere a theory, it is a book! (lol) just using your own semantics.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever LOL i said demonstrated in real world and laboratory conditions you moron. why dont u demonstrate by firstly taking all the species in the planet on an ark. how about demonstrate creation? how about demonstrating sticks turning into snakes. how about demonstrating how blood can be used to disinfect diseases? how about u demonstrate how days and night were created without Earth
u just say your book can be demonstrated without actually showing examples, stfu
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon Oh really you moron? And did you manage to create the universe on the laboratory as well you moron? Did you manage to create multiple universes on the lab you moron? Did you manage to create life on a lab you moron? Because those are the things you believe on, right? PROVE IT then, you moron.
I can demonstrate a book, I cannot demonstrate multiple universes. I am of course being sarcasting because you were being so ridiculous I could not hold it any longer.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon and this is the problem with you people, you polarise the argument, when you do much worse usually, sure, because there are some idiots that follow it without understanding anything so is it with you people who claim science to things not even possible to prove scientifically.
But you probably do not see the absurds on your own beliefs.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
oh LOL btw have u tried curing people by prayers to prove god? LOL
depend on science not god.
i wish you all just go and get scammed at faith healings. this way you people will diseappear from the face of this planet way sooner
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon Well one thing I can tell you, you can cure by prayers and you can make people sick by prayers. Not everybody can, however some people can.
And just because you find it absurd it does not mean you know anything about it, actually it just means you dont know squat about what you are talking.
Go to holy places (Not Jerusalem you dummy! There they will only sell you religious crap) go to the places that there is something special, visit people from animistic religions, the real deal.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon and your blind hatred and other signs of further imbecility cannot hide the fact that you are just afraid to get out there and see the truth for yourself.
Because you find it sitting in front of a computer.
I just hope you knew any better.
If you did, you would not be saying those things.
LOL and LOL... ...that proves NOTHING except your ignorant disregard for others. You do realise that, right?
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon how can you say it is mere delusion if all out of all the cultures practice its worship. It is a fact.
Delusion happens on a small group of people who happen to be so self centered that they are not willing to be in connection with what there is.
If you refuse evidence just because you are afraid to seek for a spiritual experience (zeuzophobia? Theophobia?) even after I explained to you where to get valid proof, you seem to be the one deluding yourself, don't you think?
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever to prove god i have to go to holy places? hahaha can u explain why some of those people who went to holy places end up being atheists?
to prove God is simple, u go to a hospital, and find 1000 patients who have brain cancer. they have survival rates of about 10 to 18% u dunoo that do you? LOL
all u have to do is to pray for these 1000 people so that all of em can be cured.
LOL and still ull only have 10% of em surviving.
why? Cos God aint real.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon omg you are an imbecile. Here, let me explain it to you:
To post a letter you need to go to a post office, to learn you need to go to a school to find a book you need to go to a library, to sue someone you need a lawyer therefore, to get in touch with the spiritual if you cannot do it yourself you need to go to holy places, talk with people who can guide you, be in touch with what is spiritual.
Or do you think you will be able to perceive anything stuck in front of a computer?
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever do you think im born atheist? many of atheist are not originally atheist. lemme tell u i was both a muslim n a Christian. i find both religion dont at all have coherency with the world. Science has explained things that contradict religion. e.g flat earth, geocentrism and many more.
einstein and many scientists were once religious, the more knowledgeable we become the more we find things in religion are just fairytales. the one stuck in front of computer's you. go to school
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon See you start already wrong. You cannot be both, because muslims consider christians to be filthy and as good as monkeys. Is it not said that Muhammed cursed christianity? Cant be both, already a phallacy.
Because you found two of the three most distructive religions of the world it does not mean that you have the right to sack the entire spiritual process. Its like sacking the entire medical profession because two hospitals were scamming people.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon and serious dude, stop trying to tell me what I shoud do, you are ridiculous in merely attempting to do so for several reasons:
1, atheism limis your capacity to rationalise possibilities.
2 atheism is also a belief, check the dictionary. (or go to school)
3 atheism is being used by people with a specific political agenda as a tool nowadays and you people are falling like the ducks you seem to be, and atheists will kill believers again, just read what you are writing.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon And about your Einstein and other brilliant minds "converting" to atheism, bullshit, brilliant minds have actually concluded that there is a God, Socrates was killed because he thought that all the gods were poetical license to one God and was saying it, Plato called it "the original idea" and Aristotle called it "unmoved mover" Einstein said he did not believe in a personal God (one who passes judgement on people) but rather the God described by Spinosa. Go to university my friend.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL atheism is a belief? that is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby. some people can cure? haha noone has even dared to prove it in laboratory conditions. all u can is say without justification and u expect people to buy your words?
lol other brilliant minds converting to atheists is bullshit? LOL do u even know the scientific community which are the reason to our improved healthcare,medicines,defence etc are 95% atheists? go to school not churches
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon LOL didnt you know that atheism is the belief that there is no God?
Did you even check a dictionary to see what the term means before assuming it as your personal belief?
haha. You do not have evidence to claim that this has never dared to prove it on a laboratory. You just dont know about that and is making an assumption as you usually do.
Lol you didnt even knew that Einstein believed in God... ...how dumb are you? Guess who needs to go to school.
I dont go to churches.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL atheism is a belief? u stupid? atheism is a lack of belief u dumbass simply because there is no evidence for god. LOL expanding universe is the proof for GOD??? LOL dun make leaps of faith. again u didnt even try to prove creation, or at least show me geological evidence of the biblical flood.
LOL mao and stalin killed in the name of communism not atheism, u cant differentiate them? learn history moron.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon lol ok, time to be socratic: do believe there is a God or do you believe that there is no God?
It is a belief. (the belief that there is no God)
You cannot say there is no evidence of God if 1000 out of a 1000 cultures so far no matter if cut from others believe in at least one God. we already been there and you failed.
The big bang is pretty much creation itself you dumb fuck. LOL
LMAO and atheism is the basis of communism. Denying this won't make you right, you imbecile.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon atheism is the belief that there is no God, or do you believe in God?
1000 out of 1000 cultures believe in something spiritual, they cannot be all wrong we already been there.
All these questions have already been answere and you put no valid argument, no evidence whatsopever and condiucted yourself poorly, you didnt even knew Einstein was a believer and you insist for odd reason I am a christian.
I guess you are too stupid to understand how big you failed on this debate.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever huh? they cannot all be wrong? if 1000 out of 1000 people believe killing wildlife is the best way to create living space for humans does that mean that killing wildlife is the best way ?
LOL so what if einstein was a believer? did he even proof that god exist? no his belief is simply based that since i dunno there must be a creator. just like all other civilisations out there.
LOL all the 1000 civilisations have never proven that god exist.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon of course they did, you are the one too dumb to admit it.
The point with correcting you about Einstein, is that you claimed he was an atheist.
So this already buried you under the pile of bullshit you brought to this topic.
(if you dont get it yet, when I even had to correct you about Einstein, this mean you lost the debate)
Now go throw poo somewhere else.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever u see that? u keep saying yeah God is proven.. can u give me the fking EVIDENCE? instead of just mere stating?
I didnt say einstein was an atheist i said he lost his FAITH in CHRISTIANITY and simply believed in a creator because he did not know how the universe simply started. and it doenst matter who believe in GOD no one has ever proven GOD's existence. i dun care if darwin,dawkins believe in GOd all i care is the evidence for god which no 1 have been able to give. IDIOT
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon Are you a masochist? Still willing to get intellectually bitchslapped?
Atheists are not even a culture, just mere disbelief(!) There is your evidence if we are to use scientific method to prove it (1000 out of 1000 experiences on culture affirm that there is a God)
There are auras for instance, Kirlian photography that can scientifically prove it as well.
You on the other hand didnt even knew that you hero Einstein happened to be forced by evidence to believe in a God. IDIOT
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever LOL einstein was forced by evidence LOL no he just happened to not know what happens in the beginning of the universe and assumed that there was a creator without any evidence, he just believed in God because he couldnt get any answer for the beginning of the universe not because there is evidence that god created the universe. dun twist the facts moron.
LOL? 1000 out of 1000 culture happens to believe in different beliefs how does that proof a god?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
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@theawesomebeliever huh? they cannot all be wrong? if 1000 out of 1000 people believe killing wildlife is the best way to create living space for humans does that mean that killing wildlife is the best way ?
LOL so what if einstein was a believer? did he even proof that god exist? no his belief is simply based that since i dunno there must be a creator. just like all other civilisations out there.
LOL all the 1000 civilisations have never proven that god exist.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever LOL atheism is not a belief u stupid. it is the LACK OF BELIEF OF A GOD ? saying atheism is a belief is like saying idling is sport.
so what? 1000 civilisations have never proven anything. do u suppose if 10 people came to you and say that there is an invisible and etherial OCtopus god living in the sky then those people are saying the truth simply because there is 10 people saying the same thing? LOL even in law eye witness alone cant be used to put some1 in jail.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
all these questions have been answered? can u give examples of how they were answered? pls???? how many times must i say to you, if u wan say anything please back up your claims with EVIDENCE !!!!!!
WELL i dont expect someone who believe in a GOD to give me evidence anyway, you will never will LOL
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon I provided you with plenty of evidence, lying that I did not when I even had to correct you about Einstein... ...you are the kind of people that give atheism a bad name.
Go read, study the topic at depth and stop behaving like a 10 years old cretin with your stupid miserable ignorant rants against metaphysics. "dun"
Einstein "the most brilliant mind of all times" an atheist... LOL
"dun" LOL
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
why do you keep mentioning einstein? he gave up his faith in christianity to believe in a god who pertains the rule of universe. but so what? has he demonstrated how GOD is real? evidence ? evidence for god? where? that 1000 out of 1000 believe in a god? i told you. anyone can believe in anything so what? i can find 1000 morons that still believe that Earth is the centre of the universe? just because that 1000 believe so, does that mean earth is the centre?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon You are dumb arent you?
I keep mentioning Einstein to try to sink on your thick skull that you are wrong in many of your claims if not in all of them.
I keep on mentioning einstein and 1000 out of 1000 in the hopes that you realise that you are so wrong you shoud just leave to reflect about all dasta I provided you so far.
I keep on repeating myself because you are doing the same.
I am however right on my remarks while you are not. Hence I will gladly contiunue to repeat myself.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL sorry but u have failed hard to understand what the argument is and in fact u probably dont understand whatever youre saying. your logic is simply irrational and is a failure.
what data? LOL culture again? I DUN FKING CARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A CULTURE IS DERIVED FROM SPIRITUALISM. what i care is whether or not their SPIRITUALISM IS JUSTIFIED by evidence and not mere faith.
if faith is the only thing u can give well too bad i dun have faith. deluded moron
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL the fact that u asked me to demonstrate how to create the universe tells that u know absolutely nothing about the big bang.
the big bang is demonstrated not only with mathematical equations, but also evidence that the universe is expanding, through particle colliders, cosmic microwaves, galactic evolution and primordial elements.
we can observe the effects and through the theory, we can predict the future.
what can your god do? haha so can u demonstrate creation?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon LULZ the fact that you are twisting my words (I asked you to PROVE your claims, something you have failed so far in doing) proves that you are just parroting jargons without really knowing anything about anything.
You dont even know that atheism is nothing but a belief that there is no God.
lol.
The evidence that the universe is expanding just proves God as it all is happening in an orderly manner.
Theories are not facts. Stop pissing against the wind.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever instead of babbling too much, just give me the REAL EVIDENCES to back up your argument.
EVIDENCE FOR GOD
EVIDENCE FOR NOAH
demonstrate how blood can be used to disinfect diseases LOL
demonstrate whatever religious claims u make
PROVE that Earth is the center of the universe LOL
PROVE that MOON is luminous LOL
demonstrate in laboratory conditions; faith healing
u cant ! because these are all falsehood.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon hey idiot!
What is your problem in understanding I am not of one of those mosaic book religions? This still does not disprove the evidence of spirituality on this culture!
You havent demonstrated ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to your previous claims and I even debunked your claim that Einsten would be an atheist.
You are owned dude, get over yourself.
You just happen to believe there is no God, so you will just repeat yourself even if I debunk yuou as I have done so far. FU
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever the one who keeps repeating himself despite being debunked is you. MORON.
if u happen to not understand how primordial elements and cosmic microwave background radiation are proof of the big bang and that particle colliders are able to demonstrate what exaclty happens just after the big bang. then u have noone to blame but your own stupidity for not understanding science
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon debunked is the guy who claim a theist to be an atheist as evidence for his point.
Get your facts straight.
You are just kneejerking now, deep denial of the facts mode.
Grow up you MORON.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
i told you, i didnt say einstein was an atheist, I SAID HE GAVE UP CHRISTIANITY TO BELIEVE IN OTHER GOD SIMPLY BECAUSE HE doesnt have an answer to the beginning of the universe !!
not because the evidence somehow points to god. WILL U PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE POINT?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
i can still find few people who believe that star wars is real. but just because they believe in star wars? does that make star wars real? i have no rational to believe in their belief until they have demonstrated how star wars is real. and SAME TO GOD, until someone demonstrate how god is real, i dun care whether there are 1 billion people believing in a god, i have no reason to believe in a god.
seriously, get your logic fixed. is that the best argument u can come up wth
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
your logic is that if 1000 out of 1000 believe in something then that something must be real? LOL has that 1000 demonstrate how is god real? no they just simply believe in something. anyone can have any belief as long as it satisfies him.
anyone can believe that galactus from DC comic is real, but as long as noone has been able to demonstrate how galactus is real, i dont have any rational to believe in galactus. same goes to GOD
your logic is seriously dumb
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon My logic? Science! My poor dumb fuck.
1000 cases out of 1000 cases confirm that this is such. Then comes an some psychopat with a political agenda claiming otherwise because he want to be worshipped as God (I bet you lost me here) and suddenlly it is all wrong? Go fuck yourself.
You keep coming back without no proof, without no evidence, just a pathetic kneejerk and name calling. LOL
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever LOL 1000 cases? what cases? where is your proof? i told you any civilisation can belief in anything up to them. but has any civilisation demonstrate how god is real?? instead of mere believing? if all you can give is FAITH then dun link that with science. they both belong to different category
dumb fuck LOL go fuck yourself
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
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@theawesomebeliever instead of babbling too much, just give me the REAL EVIDENCES to back up your argument.
EVIDENCE FOR GOD
EVIDENCE FOR NOAH
demonstrate how blood can be used to disinfect diseases LOL
demonstrate whatever religious claims u make
PROVE that Earth is the center of the universe LOL
PROVE that MOON is luminous LOL
demonstrate in laboratory conditions; faith healing
u cant ! because these are all falsehood.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever create life in the lab? study abiogenesis moron.
life needs time to evolve and microscopic lifeforms apperas 2 billion years after the earth had been formed.
what we can do is to produce amino acids which is the basic of life simply by running through electricy, which of course is already existed in Earth long time ago.
, what else do you wan me to explain? evolution? LOL
u response to my challenge with ad hominems w/o even demonstrating your 'book'. just please stfu
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon I have, question is: have you, morrron?
Ehr, aminoacids, not life. When you can create living microorganisms we talk.
LOL
You failed miserably so far in proving ANYTHING and my adhoiminems are a replky to YOURS.
Now stop pulling lies off your bum and start thinking. I even had to explain to you that Einstein believed in God, how dumb are you?
What "book"? Not my book, see how you are just assuming shit? Shut the fuck up and go and fuck yourself. Moron. LOL
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever LOL i have failed to prove anything?
u just shut your eyes of reason and evidence. . LOL einstein said himself that through reading science books he concluded that the bible coulndt be true. he however through his theory revealed that the universe has a beginning and because of that he believe in higher power. Even so, his God is different from in a way that his God is more about the order of the universe and not some god who cares about whether or not humans believe in Him
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon Stop trying to shift the blame and realise what you are doing.
When you failed even on your claims that Einstein was an atheist, and that there is no proof for auras despite the fact that it is depicted on all religions, and pictures taken of such, and scientific method that proves that 1000 out of 1000 cultures have spirituality as core, you are the one failing to deliver here.
Not to mention your uncalled for adhominem attempts to anger me what just makes you wrong by default.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
1000 cultures have spirituality as a core? so what??? have they demonstrate spirituality? of course any culture have a belief system, it is what kept them together.
LOL i told you i didnt say einstein was an atheist i said he gave up his faith in christianity to believe in other god because he couldnt find answer to the beginning of the universe!
his belief is simply, ' i dunno what happened so goddidit!' that doesnt prove anything
STOP PUTTING WORDS TO MY MOUTH
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon lol, now Im putting words on your mouth? Look who is talking.
Of course you did, you quoted him as one of the brilliant minds who happened to be atheistic, stop lying dude, you are already looking pretty bad.
You chose to believe that there is nothing spiritual, Im fine with it, just dont pretend to know any better because you don't.
You really don't.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL i didnt say einstein was an atheist u dumbfuck.
if u wan more brilliant minds who are atheist i can give u loads.
in the science community in advanced countries, 90% of them are atheist. you should be thanking these atheists for all the innovations that came to this world.
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
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mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon theawesomebeliever guy pwned your ass hard.
You did claim Einstein was a brilliant mind for being an atheist or something of the sort.
Removing posts and calling him names is kind of lame.
Better luck next time.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh LOL? did i remove the post? LOL u people can only talk without proof.
i said einstein lost his faith in Christianity simply because sciece contradicts the bible and he looked for another God that satisfy his view of the universe.
why is that so hard to understand?
and so what? u all have been here claiming that there is a god wihout giving any proof
find your evidence and proof before making any argument, u cant put someone in jail simply by stating.
better luck next time
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon Dude, did you check your blood pressure lately?
Glad you did not deny he PWNED you big time using your own arguments against him.
yanpagh 5 months ago
@yanpagh is that even an argument?
LOL he did not prove the god exist. so in the end he fails just like any other believers.
if u hvae no argument then stfu, im not interested
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@yanpagh dont bother replying, the guy is a troll.
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon Einstein was raised by secular Jewish parents. He couldn't reject christianity, because he never was x-tian.
veggiescrub 3 months ago
@mrkimkihoon More power to you for hanging in and arguing with morons for so long. Keep the faith, or non faith in our case.
veggiescrub 3 months ago
@veggiescrub LOL and u are now doing what i did the last time
after seeing what i went through, shouldnt u be afraid of talking sense to these people? but you went ahead!
definitely more power to you ^^
mrkimkihoon 3 months ago
@yanpagh awesomebeliever couldn't pawn his watch, much less anyone here. Mrkim... only mistake was saying Einstein left christianity, instead of Judaism. It doesn't matter if Einstein was Atheist or not. He was smart enough to know that no current religion was accurate. If he chose to cling to a grand creator, that's on him.
veggiescrub 3 months ago
@veggiescrub Please define the expression "pawn his watch", english is not my first language.
I dont think I nor anyone in here except probably some usually misguided atheist, had any doubts about Einsteins religious beliefs.
I am not sure why people believe that he is such a "genius" when he only took credit for other peoples works. Niels Bohr had to literarily explain things to him like talking to a child.
Your assumption about religions: which religions? Do you know all religions?
yanpagh 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever are you blind? i said amino acids are the basics of life not life.
creating life from non life will take billions of years. but what we have alreayd proven is that the basic of lifeforms can be created naturally and with time, lifeforms will form.
i dunno how u wan me to illustrate if u are just too stupid to understand science,
and what happen to curing thru prayer? u just keep changing topics when ure losing the argument. find me an evidence of faith healing will you?
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@mrkimkihoon lol look who is too stupid to understand sciece, the guy who thinks Einstein was an atheist!
Hey dumkbo! There is something called metaphysics and althought you might not want to know about it, dont claim it does not exist!
Grow the fuck up!
theawesomebeliever 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever
LOL? did i claim metaphysics doenst exist? LOL
and so what? metaphysics is philosophical how does that relate to proving anything? LOL study science kid. for the last time ( i hope ) i didnt fking say einstein was an atheist i just said hes a non Christian. stupid
mrkimkihoon 5 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
I guy who believes in metaphysics telling another guy to grow up. XD
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo and what would you know about metaphysics to state that.
I believe that metaphysics was created for a very nescessary reason (who was the same that created physics) would not even had considered it for a minute.
You just happen to believe that there is nothing spiritual on this world so this makes you no better, actually, this limits your capacity of perception, a nescessary tool for feeling and understanding.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
"I believe.."
There you have it. There is no prove for metaphysics. I have absolutely no problem with you believing in that kind of stuff (one of my aunts and my mother's best friend do as well) but don't insult others on the basis of not buying into it.
If there was proof for metaphysics I would acknowledge and accept it. No need for mere belief in it, I would simply accept it.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Well since you are trying to pla a dirty trick: I can say with certainty that metaphysics was created for a practical reason, as the same person who created physics also created metaphysics.
You did not deny you believe in atheism, so it is also a belief unlike a science as physics or/and metaphysics.
Does this bother you? Why so?
There is plenty of evidence, such evidence is just denied or called something else.
Kirlian machine is a good start.
1000 out of 1000 cultures=ScMt.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
There is a reason why the "evidence" gets rejected.
And atheism is not a blieve. It is a negative, the absense of a blieve, the lack of believe. I was born an atheist, I remained and atheist. I never stated to believe in gods or the supernatural which are all believes that can't be proven.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo The reason for rejection is political bias.
There is a strong and influent ideology that is against all forms of spirituality (as it is outside the control of the state it cannot exist)
And if you cannot understand the line above you got a problem, not I.
My only problem with your beliefs is that atheism is being used as cannonfodder on this ideological struggle. I try to explain it in some of my videos however I am not sure atheists are getting it as your propaganda is intense.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
Oh, I see, the usual conspiracy theories. *sigh*
I don't have any beliefs. I lack beliefs. You repeating it won't turn atheism into a belief. I acknowledge, accept and know things based on fact and evidence and will revise thos knowledge should it turn out that it was wrong and I will also add to that knowledge if there is evidence. If there is evidence for metaphysics I will not believe in them, I will acknowledge and accept the fact it exist.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo well documented facts, no conspiracy theories, just look for instance what happened on latin america during the 60/70ies.
You lack of knowledge shoud not make you feel entitled to belittle if you claim to be a free thinker. and this is what is really annoying when talking with people like you, as you utterly believe you know more than someone who knows more than you just because they consider the spiritual.
Atheistic fallacies. Propaganda.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
And don't get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with you believing in that stuff. I respect my aunt as well, she's a lovely and clever lady. But don't try to redefine a lack of belief as belief so you can strengthen your position and tell youself that the absense of belief for lack of evidence is the same as believing in something that lacks evidence.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Ehr, of course you do have a problem with spirituality regardless of what I believe and your denial . When you call things as militant socialism using atheists as cannon fodder as mere conspiracy theory you are ignoring a lot of data.
To redefine? Ok, answer me: do you believe in atheism? Yes or no?
It is a belief and you shoud have realised it by now.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@Trampadoo My position is already strong enough. 1000 out of 1000 cultures with a set of spiritual beliefs is proof enough, even if we apply scientific method (100 out of a 100 times, observation, etc)
Auras, another evidence depicted on all cultures. So tell me what is your view on the Kirlian machine, a hoax? Come on man, think!
Shamans have been saying for ages that all is energy (all is power, everything is alive, vibrations, etc)
You people are just being had by oportunists as Dawkins.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
Most cultures also formed religion yet not a single one could prove that their god(s) exist. You can eat at McDonalds all over the world and yet that does not make their food any less unhealthy rubbish.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Now careful there, as this is obviously an area you seem to know naught about as I can clearly see.
Many atheists who visited such culturess realised their spirituality, a good example is Pierre Verger, a french photografer who ended his days as a highpriest in one of such cultures.
Such cultures have a lot to teach and we are fools on not listening to what they have to say.
Atheism is like the rubbish from MacDonalds, the big city loss of touch with reality, the wannabe's.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
Atheism out of tough with reality? Hahah, precious. XD Man, are you deluded. You didn't really get the McDonalds metaphor, did you?
Since our loss of reality seem to go hand in hand with low homicide and rape rates, low teenage pregancy, STD infection, abortion and drug abuse rates and a lack of censorship in the media I am pretty contend with our rejection of hocus pocus which keeps us from becoming highpriests of cults. XD
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo of course it is.
For instance, you failed to reply to my questions about the kirlian machine and you believe that things as fabian socialism and the Frankfurt School (not the business one) are conspiracy theories.
To deny all spirituality just because a group of marxists claim there is no such thing by sistematically denying data and calling it something else is a bit too far fetched.
Abortion, STD infection and drug abuse are direct consequences of atheism.
Open your eyes.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
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@theawesomebeliever:
"Abortion, STD infection and drug abuse are direct consequences of atheism."
Bwahaha, reality check for you: Western and Northerns European countries = most secular, atheist nations of the world/lowest believe in god rates. Incidentally we also have the lowest homicide, rape, teen preg, abortion, STD infection and drug abuse rates. Atheist are also extremely underrepresented in prisons.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
So how do you explain that the much more religious USA and other countries with high 'believe in god' rates have much higher homicide, rape, teen preg (6-8 times higher than in Europe, the highest in the most religious states), abortion (direct result of teen preg rates), STD infection (less condom use for religious reasons) and drug abuse rates than secular European countries?
Wait, it's all a conspiracy of us evil atheists. We just behave well to make theists look bad!
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo You still has not answered my question about the kirlian machine.
Are you trying to annoy me with refusing to reply to my questions and instead repeating absurd statements?
In religious countries teenagers can marry and institute family without being split by sec. government forcing abortions while throwing the teenager male in jail for statutory rape.
Drug abuse and STD skyrockets in Europe like the black plague today, you shoud know that if you believe atheism makes you wiser.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
None of what you just wrote changes the facts that religious USA has far higher homicide, rape, teen preg (especially in extremely religious states and lets add high divorce rates to that sad record), STD infection and drug abuse than secular Europe. If you call 3-5 times lower STD rates than the US skyrocketing, dream on.. XD
Secular = healthier society on all fronts. Fact. :)
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo propaganda. Im tired of explaining you things, you know nothing and you believe in the most absurd things without reflecting about it.
You do know that this is happening because of atheism and not because of religions, right?
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
You won't change the facts that contradict you ass into outer space by repeating your tinfoil hat gibberish over and over again. XD
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Go fuck yourself. Stupid people make me tired. (you are a fanatic)
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
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@theawesomebeliever:
"Go fuck yourself. Stupid people make me tired. (you are a fanatic)"
Haha, priceless. You couldn't have admitted total defeat in a lovelier way. XD
"You made up almost everything you claimed.."
Er, no, I didn't. Sucks for you but you can look the current data up in a heartbeat at the respective crime and health offices. :)
And now it is time for you to take your meds.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever: As for the kirlian machine, it's a physical phenomenon, so what?
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo So you are saying that auras are a physical phaenomena? Is this how the game goes? If you can prove it, then it is nothing metaphysical? So all religions were wrong in saying there is aura when auras now can be scientifically proven?
What a fallacy!
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever: So you have prove that a physical phenomenon is the same thing, 'aura' that religious people imagined just like they imagined a god or all kinds of other magic? XD
And again, list what you claim I made up! Where are your sources? Where are the sources better than the actual offices that have all the data? Where are the sources better than the studies ordered by the christian morons who thought abstinence reduces teen preg, STD and abortion?
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo If we check atheistic countries as North Korea, China, the previous communistic countires you will see that the rate on rape, teen preg (eliminated by forced abortions) and suicide not to mention drug abuse and STD are not only higher but are not even allowed data about.
Not to mention death by starvation or diferent opinion.
And you defend this without knowing any of it because it is obvious you are just making shit up as I have to explain it to you.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
"..but are not even allowed data about."
*lol* And you want to conclude exactely what from nonexistant data? North Korea is a terror regime. And if you had ever been to China you would know that these ppl are extremely spiritual, believe in all kinds of metaphysical stuff. And how do you get around the facts about the US and Europe?
"death by starvation or different opinion"
You mean like in super-christian Southafrica? Or insane crime rates in Southamerica?
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Again you point a easy to explain thing I said because I was not precise while you cannot even answer my question about the kirlian machine.
So you want to be annoying, hence, you are being Ill intended, shoud I treat you with the same disregard?
They do not allow to leak data about it. Dont be stupid, I thought you were clever than that.
Secularism divides church from state, it does not make it atheistic, many secular states are very religious..
So far you have been incorrect.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
And I studies Latin in school for six years. Not sure why you break the sentence off in the middle.
Ooooh, I see, I get it. Basically anything that completely contradicts your delusions is part of the big conspiracy theory, right? They are aaaall out to get you. The US and EU crimical and health offices have only one goal: to make religious countries look bad. No wait, you mean the US wants to make itself look bad? Interesting. XD
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo my delusions? You think that fabian socialism is conspiracy theory and it is my delusion?
You fail to see that you can now take pictures of auras proving metaphysics and why it was nescessary, and I am delusional?
You claim to know more and yet you are even unaware of the fact that thanks to atheism crime rates and drug abuse abortion and divorce are skyrocketing and Im the one deluded?
Dude, you have so much faith on your beliefs that you cannot even accept the most basic facts.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
A simple physical phenomenon is no prove for metaphysics, sorry. Try again. XD
Atheists in the US and EU are extremely underrepresented in prisons. Ergo atheists are the most unlikely persons to commit crimes. ^_^ Homicide, rape, teen preg, STD, drug abuse are much higher in the much more religious USA. Fact. That are extremly low rates might increase in the UK for example does not make theists look better. Teen preg and divorce are higher in religious US states. Fact.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Its like talking to a brickwall.
This was just one example that took you actually way too long to reply and I had to squeeze it out of you, and you did exacly what I said you would on the beggining of our debate.
That you do not wish to believe, fine, that you buy the propaganda that it does not exist because there is no evidence? Bullshit.
Your data is wrong, and you are not connecting the dots, told you before.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
"Your data is wrong"
It's official data from the respective criminal and health offices as well as peer-reviews scientific studies. If you want to be taken seriously you will have to provide your sources that are at least as reliable, official and provide data as extensive. So where are your sources, coward. ^_^
I will acknowledge and accept the existence of god as soon as there is the tiniest speck of actual evidence. Otherwise I can just believe in fairies and wizzards.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo So you are actually telling me that the criminal data implies that religious people are pro abortion, that there is no high levels of STD and drug abuse on secular countries? LMAO
Stop being so rabidly bigotted, I just want you to be fair enough with facts and to stop being a douche just because I happen to know enough to consider spirituality valid.
I just quoted a speck of actual evidence (Kirlian machine) and you ran away from replying.
That makes you the coward.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@Trampadoo and another one, you are only replying in here and not on my channel because on the hopes that other atheists team up with you in here, that also makes you a coward.
You might even have what is called zeuzophobia and/or theophobia.
And yes, yet another thing you probably did not know that I will have to end up explaining you about.
A fanatic, intellectually lazy, and a coward. how can you live with yourself?
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
@theawesomebeliever:
And Western and Northern Europe as well as a couple of Eastern European countries have extremely low rates of ppl who believe in god. Fact, documented in dozens of census data. So unfortuantely for you, most European countries are secular AND don't give a shit about god. Church attandence is down to under 10%.
So far you have been incorrect in all accounts and still fail to list what you claim I made up.
Trampadoo 3 months ago
@Trampadoo Yes and this is why STD, drug abuse, crime, and abortions are skyrocketing on such countries.
You are so biggoted on your belief that there is no God that you cannot even see it.
You are a fanatic.
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago