This video proves what I been thinking: Than CCF is a load of bullcrap that loves to abuse animals and animal lovers and people who are not dumbed down. This is why I support the HSUS , PETA and Defenders of Wildlife. CCF and HumaneWatch is a scam. Thanks fir telling the truth about CCF.
@ARTLKING Why do you support animal killers? PETA defended their employees who took in healthy dogs, cats, puppies and kittens from vets and then killed them in like 24 hours after saying they would adopt them out.
@ubuntu1104fan He apparently confessed to some other acts of arson, but I don't have the details of the case. Although I suppose you could dismiss anything as part of a big crazy conspiracy theory.
FatherTime89, your comments are directed at PETA and exposing cruel practices seems to be so important to you, so which group that sets out to expose cruelty to animals do you support?
The animal cruelty industry that fund CCI are now targeting the Humane Society, using the same outright lies to discredit them. Of course, any company that profits from cruelty will engage in this, they can't exactly defend their actions, can they. So, they have to shoot the messenger.
I blame breeders, people who dont adopt, spay or neuter thus society not people trying to reluctantly deal with overpopulation. Critics who do nothing are not part of the solution. Most vets put pets down, but dont want to.
Its not about peta or a group anyways, its about Animals. Go Vegan for Animals. My fav groups are Vegan Outreach, MFA and COK anyways.
And you're quoting sourcewatch? HA! Those guys have a clear agenda and no NPOV policy. Their articles about PETA and animal testing etc. are all written by a few people who engage in edit wars over them. You may as well be citing conservapedia.
Why are you defending PETA, saying the killing the animals was good thing ?
and where you did you heard that Ahoskie Animals Hospital gased pet ? Those pet could had been given good home and also vet down animal when they're suffer from a fatal injury that couldn't be treated. Your video is good, but might want to work on you research.
Thank God for CCF for defending my right to eat what ever the hell I want. If I want to have a Big Mac, fries, and Coke for lunch, It's my business only and no dope smoking libtard has the right to tell me I can't. Vegans and progressives should just shut the hell up, pay their taxes like good little citizens, and keep their tofu, brussel sprouts, and un American views to themselves.
All agencies and corporations are corrupt criminals and should be put out of business, or killed...not necessarily in that order! I'm not a violent person, but Monsanto has killed thousands of humans and animals, as well as plant life - all for the love of money. Now, their poisons are in 80% of the food on grocery store shelves. I've said it many times and I will continue to say it. They are destroying the planet and if people don't soon wake up, it will be too late! Boycott corn, soy & canola!
Fleefes, it's morons like you that make this a hell on earth for people and animals. The "healthy animals" you're whining about were from shelter in NC that still gas animals. I'm glad that PETA is not too righteous to get involved in a slimey state like NC, where the Vet on the state board makes and sells gas chambers.
Why don't you go after the AKC that's making more off puppy mills than PETA takes in? Idiot. 3 to 4 million "healthy animals" are put down yearly in the US, 250,000 in NC.
I like how this video doesn't actually refute the claims of the CCF and instead just tries to make them look bad.
Probably because they can't. I guess its hard to when you have the founder of PETA on tape defending two employees who killed two healthy animals moments after receiving them while under the guise of finding them homes.
Another not-so-strange bedfellow funding the CCF is the Agribusiness lobby. Monsanto, the manufacturer of Agent Orange, a human carcinogen that disabled tens of thousands of Vietnam vets, also manufactures the genetically engineered growth hormone rBGH used in cows to hasten their milk production.
Monsanto pays the CCF to discredit PETA for speaking out openly against the use of growth hormones in farm animals, hormones which are known to cause human cancers!
When I posted critical reports about rBST/rBGH on the Cornell Cooperative Extension site (more like a Pine-based BBS) in the mid 90's, it was repeatedly removed, in lieu of yet-more pro-milk, pro-rBGH propaganda.
Monsanto and Cornell jointly developed rBST/rBGH and Cornell is the "land grant university" for the cooperative extension service in New York State.
It is no coincidence that behind the anti-PETA campaign of propaganda, one continually finds The Center for Consumer Freedom.
Richard Berman is a high-priced Washington, D.C. lobbyist, who is paid obscene amounts of money to run negative campaigns attacking PETA on behalf of the meat and tobacco industries, the very industries PETA has exposed for exploiting animals.
"Paid For By the Center For Consumer Freedom" propaganda is funded by Philip Morris, who has been highly criticized by PETA for contracting with UCLA, to whom they've paid $6 million to conduct nicotine studies on monkeys.
In a despicable attempt for the tobacco industry to find a "safe" way for pregnant women to smoke, pregnant monkeys are being force-fed massive doses of nicotine, their babies are aborted and lungs dissected to "study" the effects of their toxic chemicals on the fetus.
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I never said I condoned the motives of CCF. All you fucktards say is anything that isn't your agenda is "fascist". PETA is political activism... Do some research, domestic terrorism isn't "political activism".
To label something that clearly is political activism as "domestic terrorism", is basically the same fascist rhetoric that Joseph Goebbels utilized. Discrediting large groups of people by calling them dangerous and portraying them as devilish/ridiculous stereotypes in the media...
Yep, Goebbels would've been proud, I think. You might not "condone the motives of CCF", but if you believe their corporately funded bullshit, you're part of the problem.
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Yes, blowing up labs and destroying farms is nothing but "political activism". Get a fucking clue. Once again, you fucktards label everything that isn't your agenda as "fascist".
Give me a quick description of the "fucktard" agenda, won't you please?
If fucktards are advocates for the freedom of speach, everything that isn't our agenda would naturally be attitudes and conduct that harms this freedom, and, what is the definition of fascism again?
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ROFL!!!! Fascism is total state control, one-party state, against all things including conservatism, liberalism, and human rights. How can you not know what fascism is? And you're using it way out of context by saying CCF is "fascist propaganda". It's stupid propaganda, that's it, nothing more... It doesn't mean it supports fascism. Not everything that's in opposition to you is "fascist"... Just thought I'd let you know...
Okay, bad phrasing on my part there, but it was supposed to be a rhetorical question.
There is, of course, a difference between the concept of "fascist propaganda" and the entire fascist ideology. Propaganda in fascist countries was a tool the state used to undermine their enemies, which included capitalists, liberalists and communists. In this case, it is American capitalists who uses fascist-like means to undermine their enemies. In the future, Ill use the word anti-democratic instead.
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Actually, liberals and socialist use just as much opposing trash propaganda... So, please, go read and shut the fuck up. You honestly think capitalists in america are the only ones with political axe to grind? How is it anti-democratic? You're fucking ignorant. If you honestly can't see errors in both the left and the right you're a fucking tool. Get over yourself and your biased ideology.
I get the feeling you're on the 'warpath', mister. I haven't said anything about liberals and socialists in my posts here. In fact, coming from Norway, I know everything about the trash propaganda of left-wing politicians. All Im saying is: When big corporations pay for extensive smear-campaigns against certain interest-groups, it seems to me like something that harms democracy. We have the same shit in Norway, though it might be better hidden, (which could mean it's even worse here.)
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Refute what the CCF says or STFU. This is just a bunch of strawman arguments. The CCF tells the truth and you know you can't defeat their message with facts. Can you blame corporations for wanting to fund an organization to bring a voice of reason to all of the mindless hysteria promoted by it's opposition?
Refute them? Alrighty, that's not really a problem.
They're the same "thinktank" that brought us tobacco not causing cancer. Trans fats are good for you. Being morbidly obese isn't unhealthy. All of which comes pretty much pre-refuted.
No one funds *anything* to "bring a voice of reason". You fund something to get propaganda out there to people that're dumb enough to believe anything that makes them feel better.
what! you ars turds start a war and the meat eaters and companies whom employ millions of people and there families are going to back down you chose a side shut up. What's a matter are you afraid when the big bad meat eaters come for you.........It will be yummy
Both CCF and PETA are full of bullshit. CCF are just soulless corporate whores, and PETA are some of the most depraved misanthropes out there- the propaganda that says your mother or father being a murderer because they eat meat is utter bullshit that needlessly damages children. I'm all for environmentalism but its obvious that PETA cares more about animals then people. You cannot tell me that cows is more impotent morally then the starving African children or the medically uninsured elderly .
Seeing that PETA cares more about supporting ecoterrorists , freeing minks into the wild killing the minks and the local environment at the same time and mailing out deathtraps to animal researchers I can safely say thats an adapt belief of mine and simply saying I'm pushing a strawman is merely wish fulfillment.
You are wrong about the deathtraps, and none of your explanations support the idea that cows are more important. The fact you have rated my comment down for asking an open question makes you look like a jackass.
Hold on! Am I missing something here? Are you saying that PETA the multi million $ organization, fanatical about promoting their own agenda, are the only ones allowed to argue their views and take action on their beliefs?
Does no one else, even if self interested in their own views, have the right to provide counter argument?
If that's what you are implying, that smacks of dictatorship to me, not democracy, and we all know where dictatorship takes us.
If we don't eat meat how else will we control the animal population? There's a hunting season for a reason.
I'd rather enjoy a fine steak than some disgusting tofu hotdog that tastes like plastic. Also, soy has estrogen precursors. Enjoy your estrogen vegan guys.
I wish that PETA would campaign in a third world country. I'd laugh hysterically as a PETA spokesperson watches a "savage" snap a chicken's neck and turn it into something tasty.
No, I don't support cannibalism, you tard. What I do support is my right to eat meat and people's right to not be harassed about eating meat by self righteous faggots like you.
FYI: there's a hunting season for certain animals for a reason. Its done when there populations peak so as to keep them under control. Its a balance. Do your research, hippie.
haha, wow so many mistakes here. i like girls so i'm not a faggot. people who use that word like that are rather dull, irritating and unoriginal. and if it's for population control, i say we should have started hunting people long ago. we're a fucking virus to this planet. i mean we already have cigarettes and other things for human population control, but one more thing can't hurt.
and lastly, i'm not a hippie so don't start vomiting idiotic statements with no knowledge.
Secnateb. hahahaha you my kind a guy. I agree with you 100%, we don't need to eat meat, and yea we should have started hunting people long ago. this LTS1287 shithead is the hippi faggot who is going to shit in his pants when the 500 lbs grizzly bear goes after him and he forgot to bring his gun. LOL
we do not need to eat meat and people like you who do not want to realize that are pathetic. it's a barbaric pleasure humans are too weak to overcome as a whole. if you need to hunt and eat to survive...then by all means go for it. but the truth is humans have developed to a level where such things are rather unnecessary.
if you pride yourself on being so much higher than "animals", why do you act more 'animal-like' then they do?
@Secnateb Saying "You eat animals. Humans are animals. Therefore you think we should eat people." is like saying "You eat plants. Trees are plants. Therefore you think we should cut down trees to eat them."
That is one of the single most fucking illogical things I have ever heard. Not even the most fanatical meat-eater would go that far, to support cannibalism. You're putting words in people's mouths which they never said and never would say. And you think that's logical? HA.
Thanks for telling the truth about the Center for Consumer Freedom. Just to be fair, I want to note that PepsiCo and Kraft Foods have refused to work with the CCF. PepsiCo also put an end to animal testing, which set a precedent for Coca-Cola to do the same, but I believe Coke still contributes to the CCF. Thirsty? Have a PEPSI!
Unfortunately the animals that PETA euthanized were ALL healthy PETA never even botherd to find homes for them. PETA actually agreed to take some animals froma center to find homes for them,never bother to look just killed them. These were not animal who were sick old or dying these were healthy animals who could have found homes. PETA murdered them.
The shelters they recieved them from couldn't havefound homes for them. PETYA was giving them free euthanasia so those wouldn't have had to be gassed to death, which can take up to a half hour! PETA is doing the right thing by reducing animal suffering and giving them a humane exit. Whats hypocritical is the Center for Consumer Freedom attack PETA for putting homeless overpopulated animals to sleep but at the same time defend dog breeders.
They could have found homes for them. WIth a $30 million budget PETA could have found homes for them. Talk to the regretful people who gave their animals to PETA. They gave them to PETA in the agreement that PETA was goign to find homes for them and if PETA could not do that they should ahve returned them.
You don't really know anything about reputable dg breeders do you except what you heard from PETA. Have you ever actually sat down with a reputable dog breeder? Trust me the over opulation problem has NOTHING to do with them. Reputbable breeders make little to no profit, breeding is a hobby born out of love for the breed and dogs in general. ALL reputable breeders say right in their contract that if ever the owners need to give the dog up they are to be returned to the breeder.
"ALL reputable breeders say right in their contract that if ever the owners need to give the dog up they are to be returned to the breeder."
Does the reputable breeder expect the dogfighter to ask for a refund of his money when the pit bull dog fails to demonstrate "gameness" during a roll?
The dog will be rendered as bait, then tossed to the streets where he will be picked up by animal control and euthanized. That is of course, if he does not take a bullet to the head first.
a reputable breeder would never sell to a dog fighter in the first place. They interview prospective puppy buyers before they can take home the pup so I really don't see your point.
"a reputable breeder would never sell to a dog fighter in the first place. They interview prospective puppy buyers before they can take home the pup so I really don't see your point"
ferret, how do the thousands of "reputable" breeders who sell pit bull dogs via the internet interview prospective buyers?
"WIth a $30 million budget PETA could have found homes for them."
ferret, PETA is not a shelter; they provide humane euthanasia to animals who would otherwise be gassed to death in metal boxes, or sold into a life of animal experimentation.
If PETA is euthanizing animals, it is because the shelters, not PETA, couldn't find homes for them.
You fail to understand that PETA's donations serve to expose the many aspects of all animal suffering and exploitation around the world.
In terms of how much money is needed to mitigate animal suffering, ferret, Best Friends, the rescue group that took in 22 of Vick's pit bull dogs, is a no-kill shelter with a 30 million dollar-a-year budget that can HUMANELY houses 2,000 animals.
Best Friends estimates the cost for lifetime care of 2 of the dogs, who must remain at the shelter, to be 40,000 for each dog.
There are far more abandoned animals than money to humanely care for them.
You really don't have a defense so you brought up Best Friends, you are just dodging the point here. I'm sure PETA has the means of becoming a no-kill fascility in fact Ingrid even admited that. PETA uses a mere 1% of its annual budget towards caring for animals the rest goes to making publicity stunts like comparing the death of Tim McLean to that of a chicken in total disregard to the feelings of his family.
"PETA came to them, they did not come to PETA. PETA sought them out that is the difference."
ferret, Irrefutable is the fact that Dr. Proctor of the Ahoskie Animal Hospital was on PETA's payroll for years receiving payment for performing euthanasia and sterilization of animals on their behalf.
From which "centers" did PETA, as you claim, take and murder animals?
Dr. Proctor had been doing business with PETA since 2001. For 5 years, he called PETA to take unwanted cats that were left abandoned at his private vet practice, the Ahoskie Animal Hospital.
Do you expect reasonably reasonable thinkers to believe that Dr. Proctor did not know that PETA euthanizes animals?
For a decade, the CCF has been plastering "PETA Kills Animals" ads around the country, but Dr. Proctor hadn't heard that rumour, huh?
@goingemoguy So PETA has no problem killing perfectly healthy animals? They won't even try to find homes from them? Not even try a fundraiser? What massive hypocrites.
because PETA demonizes respectable breeders with the backyard variant.
a respectable breeder knows that you NEVER turn your bitch (female dog) into a baby machine, because that results in damage to the mother and deformities.
Oh? so it's alright to kill a healthy mother and her puppies because of a humane exit?
by the way, the CCF hasn't defended breeders, they've done that themselves.
"PETA actually agreed to take some animals froma center to find homes for them,never bother to look just killed them. These were not animal who were sick old or dying these were healthy animals who could have found homes. PETA murdered them."
From which "center" do you refer, ferret, where you claim PETA took animals, and then "murdered" them?
while I don't agree with gassing even if Ahoskie does that form of euthanasia PETA didn't save any animals from that fate as the hospital gave them their healthiest and most adoptable animals, at the very least PETA should have sent them to a no-kill shelter. They were there to find them homes nothing else. There is no way PETA should have an adoption rate less than 80% of animal control centers in Virginia. If you are doing so poorly at adoptiing out then stop collecting animals!
PETA also took from the Northhampton County pound& Bertie County Animal Shelter and from Rainbow Animal Rescue which is a NO-KILL facility. There would have been no fear of the animals being gassed to death at Rainbow rescue.
PETA spent 240,000 dollars cleaning up Bertie County's slow-kill shelters, sending the county's ONE animal control officer to training, and paying cleaners to maintain the shelters.
ferret, PETA stepped in to help the Bertie Shelter in 2000 when a police officer reported this disgusting shelter where the
enclosure had no roof, dogs floated in flooded cages of excrement, and dogs so starved that they were eating the dead animals.
You, ferret, are grossly misinformed. PETA rescued animals from this miserable shelter, one in which animals suffered horrifically, and then met their pitiful end in a metal box gassed to death.
Northhampton and Bertie shelters were an absolute disgrace before PETA stepped in to save those animals.
"Rainbow Animal Rescue which is a NO-KILL facility"
Rainbow Animal Rescue is a fabulous organization, but they do not have an open admission policy because they are overwhelmed with abandoned animals.
PETA does not take animals from Rainbow. Rainbow simply cannot humanely house all of the animals brought to them, and as such people turn to PETA rather than leave their animal at a shelter where, incidentally, selling animals to labs for research is quite legal in North Carolina.
You refer, ferret, to the witch-hunt of a criminal case of Ms. Hinkle and Mr. Cook, the 2 PETA employees who were charged with, but found not guilty of lying to get 3 cats from vet Patrick Proctor's Ahoskie Animal Hospital.
At trial Dr. Proctor's testified that "it was time for us to go ahead and move them [the cats], so you can go ahead and call PETA"
Proctor asked his secretary to call PETA, as he had done many times before because he couldn't find homes for the 3 cats himself.
Incidentally, Patrick Proctor, the vet who testified against Ms.Hinkle & Mr. Cook at trial participated in PETA's FREE spay/neuter program, where he performed the surgery at HIS PRIVATE PRACTICE, the Ahoskie Animal Hospital, and then billed PETA top dollar for the service.
Obviously, the jury did not find Dr. Proctor credible, and as such acquitted Ms. Hinkle of three counts of lying to get cats from his office.
ferret, PETA had been picking up unwanted and abandoned animals from Dr. Proctor's Ahoskie Animal Hospital since 2001.
In fact, the animal shelter in Hertford County (where HIS veterinary practice is located) contracted with Dr. Proctor to euthanize animals that were too sick or too old to be adopted out. PETA paid for the humane euthanasia of those shelter animals by Dr. Proctor.
Here's what I see and hear from PETA - naked co-eds.
They should respectfully decline the
endorsement of Pamela Anderson and start using their Millions to shelter and find homes for pets instead of producing offensively alienating and human degrading ad campaigns.
However, I think that the interest of the CCF should be obvious to everyone.
These corporations are under attack, they put together their own retarded group to fight back. It's a stupid little war, but conflict is the spice of life.
It's extremists on both sides and they both suck.
YOU need to use your own mind and figure this shit out - do you eat at McDonalds every day? Are you fat? And this is McDonalds fault?
Your self control and lack of reasoning issues are your own responsibility.
In 2007, buzzardbeatniks, PETA secured more than $3 million worth of free advertising space in magazines and newspapers, on radio, billboards, and TV from supporters.
If public personalities are stepping up to do PSA's for PETA, it is because they support the cause for animal rights, and not because they receive monetary compensation.
"Millions to shelter and find homes for pets instead of producing offensively alienating and human degrading ad campaigns"
PETA's "I'd Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur" campaign, beatniks, has been incredibly successful in catapulting into the spotlight the hideously cruelty behind the fur, leather and wool industries.
If not but for PETA exposing the horrors that animals endure languishing in cages until they are skinned for their pelts, how else would the world have known?
Haha keep exposing this trash. I remember when pen and teller had their vapid CCF infomercial thing going on in multiple shows. Those guys are now known as the zero integrity duo.
voxel, I realize your frustration at the obscene number of abandoned animals being euthanized every day. As a tax-payer, you should be outraged that your dollars are being spent to suffocate animals in gas chambers, when such money could be used to humanely house, care for, and adopt them out.
Write your lawmakers. Demand that no-kill shelters have an open-admission policy. Then PETA won't be forced to clean up after society's messy indifference.
PETA humanely euthanizes animals. This is no secret. If PETA sought to conceal such information, why then are they so vocal about the animal overpopulation issue, and how if fuels the outrageous numbers of animals being euthanized? If it does not make sense, it cannot be true.
You've accomplished nothing, voxel, except to confirm that your fact are distortions of truth.
what we've accomplished today. PETA kills animals, including healthy kittens even though they took in $30 million. I would have taken in one of those kittens. My local no kill shelter would have too. PETA really tried didn't they?
CCF re-publishes public records such as PETA's kill records and tax information and insures that consumers know about it to make informed decisions about their donations.
To retract Ami moore has not won though the courts are hearing her case. Sorry you can't go around and lie about people. That's what PETA does. They're information is bought and paid for by the PCRM and they're stats have no basis in reality. There is no third party verification. You know i can find more cases of harassment because you know that they are there too. PETA is a bully. The CCF has the guns to do what many of us monetarily can't. TAKE THEM ON!
You know why i love the CCF? because PETA is a bully. I love that this giant that picks on small business owners, abbeys, school children etc is being put in their place by someone. ANYONE!!! I go to both the ccf and peta site regularly. I can find outside sources for CCF I can't find them for PETA.
I don't have the time to lobby congress (PETA does) I don't have the time to make a nice website showing the constant BS of PETA so I'm really glad that someone can do these things.
Well Mepkin Abbey was hounded, picketed and slenderized until they stopped egg production. Ami Moore sued and won against PETA for slander against her local business. School children are bombarded with "your mother is a murder messages" as PETA lobbies for school spaces in the "humane education laws" all why PETA themselves support violence tactic for the animal rights cause. The local government has regulations we don't need PETA to bully people further. I can supply more cases of harassment.
"Mepkin Abbey was picketed until they stopped egg production"
PETA's undercover investigation of the Mepkin Abbey's vile factory-farm egg production plant speaks for itself: 38,000 chickens confined in a living hell of wire cages; injured hens left to die in pain from broken legs; hens starved for 2 weeks in order to shock them into egg production; and the blatant disregard for the animal's humane care by the monks.
These men of God torture animals for profit, and PETA has exposed them.
Peta didn't expose them! The government didn't come in and stop them from doing anything. We the people have voted and been heard about what we consider lawful towards animals and the Abbey was *not* breaking any laws. PETA bullied them into submission. Get over it. If PETA can't take a dose of their own medicine which is simply what the ccf is doing then they have no place in activism.
Ami Moore, the self-professed Chicago dog whisperer, is an unlicensed dog trainer with no credentials, who was arrested for cruelty to animals when her neighbors witnessed her in a public park continuously shocking 2 dogs with an e-collar, a dog so small that he was lifted into the air, crying out in pain.
The woman is a sadistic fraud whose dog-training business is a scam based on instilling fear and terror.
"PETA lobbies for humane education laws in schools"
So? The Vegetarian Starter Kit given to children is age appropriate, factual information about the horrendous cruelty animals suffer, and the health risks to humans who consume factory-farmed animals.
"Chickens are drugged and bred to grow so fast that many become crippled under their own weight. At slaughter, they are still conscious when their throats are slit, and scalded to death."
yeah they lobby for human education laws that only peta has the sources to fill. They leave a gap in education that peta exploits to pump it's inaccurate information to. Everything you believe in is a lie. I can't even find third party verification for *anything* peta says. How can you back a group that's only point of reference is themselves? CCF uses public information to prove their point.
"CCF uses public information to prove their point."
None of the information that the CCF 'exposes' has ever been hidden. Some is made up, some is half-truth, and all that is real (yet mischaracterized) is available in public reports, press accounts, and IRS filings.
When critical viewers examine CCF fudning, they find the very industries that PETA has exposed for animal exploitation.
who cares about the funding? the fact is CCF has facts! PETA is trying to hide their death rates for last year because they realize that people didn't know this and don't like this. CCF is simply posting all this information in one place and asking for answers. The only thing you have on them is funding. Well that's laughable.
Average PETA supporters DON'T know this info. I've personally converted a dozen members this month.
PETA has held off public releasing of the numbers from 2007 because they are trying to convince VA to let them use the numbers of animals that they never took in.
The stat of VA is not the "state of the ethical treatment to animals". They make no claim of ethical treatment to animals at all. PETA does. PETA isn't a shelter why are you comparing them to one? PETA just kills animal for what seems like fun.
"PETA has held off public releasing of the numbers from 2007"
The figure is available to the public, voxel.
"The stat of VA is not the state of the ethical treatment to animals"
Indeed, shelters have a moral obligation to care for, house, and provide basic humane treatment to abandoned animals in their care. The tax-payers who fund these shelters demand no less.
The U.S. shelter system euthanizes 27, 473 animals every day at a cost of 2 billion dollars a year.
actually the 2007 result aren't available unless you go to the CCF site because the CCF had to make a request, the numbers aren't out for public release. Can you link to them outside CCF?
Why are you comparing PETA to a shelter? They aren't a shelter remember? it doesn't matter what the shelter numbers are.
The state of va is not the state of ethical treatment of animals. They do not pretend that they are fighting for animals rights to life. PETA is though, that's why its appaling that peta kills animals I'm sorry that you don't understand that.
Also PETA is *not* a shelter why are you comparing them to shelters? Peta just kills animals for fun more or less. They tell people they will help animals, take them from those people, and kill the animals in vans. That's SICK.
It is quite ethical for PETA to humanely euthanize unwanted, abandoned, sick, and old animals who would otherwise be left to languish in a tax-payer funded shelter, where they are either sold into a life of animal experimentation by the shelter, or ground up and processed into meat by-product in pet food.
Ethical to kill kittens that are given a clean bill of health? look i can find homes for kittens for free. I don't know what PETA's problem is. "kittens for free to good home" is to much for them to write out? They took in 30 mil i think they can find a few kittens a home.
Either way. Your average PETA supporter who thinks that peta loves animals and that animals have a RIGHT TO LIFE. disagree. I go around telling people peta kills animals. They don't know.
Dr Proctor said "As they were picking them up and taking them out of the cage, they were saying, my, what beautiful animals. We will have absolutely no trouble finding homes for these."... "And I'm assuming that they were put to sleep by the time they left the parking lot."
Dr Proctor is a vet. The animals were found in a dumpster.
PETA had been picking up unwanted and abandoned animals from Proctor's animal hospital since 2001. In fact, the animal shelter in Hertford County (where HIS veterinary practice is located) contracted with Dr. Proctor to euthanize their abandoned animals, and PETA paid for that service.
Obviously, the jury did not find Dr. Proctor credible, and as such acquitted Ms. Hinkle of three counts of lying to get cats from his office.
Um... it doesn't matter what the dr. said. He wasn't part of the case. PETA can and does say one thing and then does another. That isn't breaking the law just lying. Dr Proctor was told the animals would be taken care of. End of story. That's what he was told. He did not know those animals would put to sleep.
"Um... it doesn't matter what the dr. said. He wasn't part of the case."
Incorrect, voxel. Dr. Proctor testified against PETA at trial. It was from his private veterinary practice that the 3 cats were alleged to have been taken under false pretense and euthanized.
Dr Proctor said "As they were picking them up and taking them out of the cage, they were saying, my, what beautiful animals"
Incorrect, voxel. That was not Dr. Proctor's testimony. At trial, Dr. Proctor's testified that "it was time for us to go ahead and move them [the cats], so you can go ahead and call PETA"
Proctor asked his secretary to call PETA, as he had done many times before, because he couldn't find homes for the three cats himself.
oh please he could have euthanize them if that's what he wanted. You are first saying he isn't reliable and then trying to use his testimony to prove your point. I wasn't quoting his at trial testimony i was quoting what he told the papers.
I can't believe you are honestly sitting here trying to rationalize the slaughter of kittens. That's sick. Seriously take a step back. Innocent kittens that we as humans should protect. killed.
"oh please he could have euthanize them if that's what he wanted."
Indeed Dr. Proctor could've used his own supplies to euthanize the cats, but he let PETA do his dirty work, as he had many times before for years.
Dr. Proctor can spay and neuter animals in his private practice, too, but because his fee is more than most can pay, he performs the surgery under PETA's SNIP program, and then bills PETA top dollar for the service.
"I don't see any reason to kill healthy kittens."
Nor do I, voxel. Yet, 4,000 U.S. tax-payer funded shelters who purport to privide a safe haven for society's unwanted animals euthanize 9.6 million every year.
PETA's approach to animal overpopulation is sterilization. Their SNIP program, Spay and Neuter Immediately, Please, has provided low cost/no cost spay and neuter services for 45,000 companion animals.
After showing people were to find state information on PETA such as their kill rate (oh that's a huge one... "PETA kills kittens?... no"... "omg they do!"). Their support of terrorist activity. Their falsification of animal research info.. Once that is "exposed" (your right it's not hidden). People don't really want to be associated with them anymore. It's kinda funny. They feel lied to. CCF is just making the small print bigger.
I do not doubt that you will try. That said, what you characterize as "harassment" is, to animal activists, a lawful expression of opposition to animal exploitation.
actually it isn't lawful. As of November 27th 2006 with the passing of the AETA, "force, violence, and threats involving animal enterprises" is now acts of terrorism. So all those threats that doctors, business owners, company owners get... acts of terrorism. :). The government is done playing with you children, the people are done playing with you too. Remember ami moore WON her lawsuit because PETA was breaking the law.
It's called defamation of character. You don't get it do you? People used to just sit around afraid of PETA. They go into communities and go after these individuals who get scared and take it. It's not happening anymore. More and more local business owners are saying no and their community is applauding them. Personally i can't wait until the AETA puts and AR behind bars for a very long time. oh wait i don't have to wait Rod coronado *is* in jail! such law abiding people.
This is not a crime for which one can be imprisoned, voxel. Ms. Moore is angry because her neighbors, concerned citizens who witnessed her engage in wanton acts of cruel and excessive punishment as a means by which to "train" an animal, and refused to do business with her.
She closed her shop and left town. Good riddance to her.
This organization (CCF) is so much like from the movie "Thank You for Smoking"... all cheap and dirty abuse of psychology, using spin tricks as effective propaganda. Goebbels would be proud of them.
Just throw "Freedom!" and the people will grab for it like for free sweets. Say "X kills" in the PETA case you don't tell a factual lie, but still twist facts by 180 degrees. Where are Noam Chomsky's intellectual self-defense courses? ...
This IS a real eye opener. Something isn't right here! PETA has been framed and made to be the bad guys, when in fact, they are the true heros. Animals will die in shelters because there are far too many. 1) PETA is trying to offer spay/neuter programs 2)and the unfortunate but only answer when absolutely necessary is humane euthanisa.
Why would anyone want to see an unwanted, unloved, lonely & perhaps sick being sit in a cage and die a slow and painful death. It's wrong! We all know that!
I hate the "take it or leave it " mentality. IMO, if you took Choujin's advice just because you expressed dissent, the founding fathers would be spinning in their graves.
Typically, those who don't engage in the use of illegal narcotics such as heroine, cocaine, and amphetamines, wouldn't "nanny-up" to those who exercise their freedom to do so at their OWN peril.
However, when a cat is caged and confined, shot up with "speed" and infected with FIV to study the effects of drug addiction and sexual disinhibition, then American big business and the vivisectors will hear from PETA!
The CCF name-calls PETA "nanny" because, as the CCF says, "[PETA] thinks they know what's best for you." Well, if PETA is your nanny, then the pharmaceutical companies are your dealer, and the meat, tobacco, and alcohol industries are your pusher!
Outrageous is the fa{s}t-food industry funding experiments on animals so they can market their diet pills!
Testing diet pill drugs on monkeys so that the pharmaceutical industry can sell its drugs to consumers so that human beings can continue to "safely" sit about the house for hours on end in front of the telly while feeding their faces with burgers and beer is disgusting.
The CCF is paid to do damage control when this sort of information is made public, and PETA makes it public!
The decision to use alcohol or other intoxicants, for that matter, is a personal one until such time that the choice infringes upon and/or compromises the safety and well-being of society's innocent and law-abiding citizens.
The constant barrage of disinformation put out by the CCF flies in the face of common sense. Not surprisingly, the CCF, funded by sponsors that sell alcohol, lobbied vigorously
against efforts by MADD to lower the legal blood-alcohol limit for drivers.
The CCF operates the PETAKillsAnimals website, which is rife with false, inaccurate, and intentionally misleading statements such as the incendiary claim that PETA has killed 14, 400 animals from 1998 through 2005.
Conveniently, those numbers were not put into the context of animal euthanasia in the U.S.
In that same time period, 70 million animal's lives ended by the profoundly cruel and miserable method of poison -- gassed to death in metal boxes.
Much like the false and inaccurate and even insanely misleading statements made on the PETA chain of websites? Are you really going to side with either? They both pull a great deal of crap and PETA is probably even worse than CCF.
This video proves what I been thinking: Than CCF is a load of bullcrap that loves to abuse animals and animal lovers and people who are not dumbed down. This is why I support the HSUS , PETA and Defenders of Wildlife. CCF and HumaneWatch is a scam. Thanks fir telling the truth about CCF.
ARTLKING 7 months ago 2
@ARTLKING Why do you support animal killers? PETA defended their employees who took in healthy dogs, cats, puppies and kittens from vets and then killed them in like 24 hours after saying they would adopt them out.
Fleefles 4 weeks ago
@ubuntu1104fan He apparently confessed to some other acts of arson, but I don't have the details of the case. Although I suppose you could dismiss anything as part of a big crazy conspiracy theory.
FatherTime89 9 months ago
FatherTime89, your comments are directed at PETA and exposing cruel practices seems to be so important to you, so which group that sets out to expose cruelty to animals do you support?
jtking2504 1 year ago
The animal cruelty industry that fund CCI are now targeting the Humane Society, using the same outright lies to discredit them. Of course, any company that profits from cruelty will engage in this, they can't exactly defend their actions, can they. So, they have to shoot the messenger.
jtking2504 1 year ago
It's not like peta is any better if not worse.
sincityfire 1 year ago
I blame breeders, people who dont adopt, spay or neuter thus society not people trying to reluctantly deal with overpopulation. Critics who do nothing are not part of the solution. Most vets put pets down, but dont want to.
Its not about peta or a group anyways, its about Animals. Go Vegan for Animals. My fav groups are Vegan Outreach, MFA and COK anyways.
houstonhelpanimals 1 year ago
like the ccf cares about animals, our health or anything but profits. they have no room to be critics with guilty followers.
VeganMotorcyclePilot 1 year ago
And you're quoting sourcewatch? HA! Those guys have a clear agenda and no NPOV policy. Their articles about PETA and animal testing etc. are all written by a few people who engage in edit wars over them. You may as well be citing conservapedia.
FatherTime89 1 year ago
Why are you defending PETA, saying the killing the animals was good thing ?
and where you did you heard that Ahoskie Animals Hospital gased pet ? Those pet could had been given good home and also vet down animal when they're suffer from a fatal injury that couldn't be treated. Your video is good, but might want to work on you research.
Neoguest 1 year ago
Thank God for CCF for defending my right to eat what ever the hell I want. If I want to have a Big Mac, fries, and Coke for lunch, It's my business only and no dope smoking libtard has the right to tell me I can't. Vegans and progressives should just shut the hell up, pay their taxes like good little citizens, and keep their tofu, brussel sprouts, and un American views to themselves.
NoBHO2012 1 year ago
@NoBHO2012, so vegans are unamerican, eh? All we are saying is give peas a chance.
CDLver 6 months ago
If you have money or low credit card debt you have consumer freedom.
EMOTIONALLOGICABLE 1 year ago
you'd see the center for consumer freedom doesn't promote beans and whole grains, only food that's bad for you and cigarrettes
EMOTIONALLOGICABLE 1 year ago
The Center for Consumer Deception:
watch?v=UMELEyaGgZo
luxcretia2 1 year ago
I never bought the lies of this CCF and I always knew this is corporation.
Thank you for all the people who are making those videos who are explaining what really CCF is.
luxcretia2 1 year ago
All agencies and corporations are corrupt criminals and should be put out of business, or killed...not necessarily in that order! I'm not a violent person, but Monsanto has killed thousands of humans and animals, as well as plant life - all for the love of money. Now, their poisons are in 80% of the food on grocery store shelves. I've said it many times and I will continue to say it. They are destroying the planet and if people don't soon wake up, it will be too late! Boycott corn, soy & canola!
RandyBful1 2 years ago
Excellent video... thanks for exposing these "scum" aka center for consumer freedom. Truly a joke funded by bigger criminals.
I hope people check out your links.
DianeDi 2 years ago 3
@DianeDi The irony is is that PETA has funded ACTUAL criminals (like Mr. Coronodo (sp?) the arsonist).
FatherTime89 1 year ago
Fleefes, it's morons like you that make this a hell on earth for people and animals. The "healthy animals" you're whining about were from shelter in NC that still gas animals. I'm glad that PETA is not too righteous to get involved in a slimey state like NC, where the Vet on the state board makes and sells gas chambers.
Why don't you go after the AKC that's making more off puppy mills than PETA takes in? Idiot. 3 to 4 million "healthy animals" are put down yearly in the US, 250,000 in NC.
Weekyl 2 years ago
I like how this video doesn't actually refute the claims of the CCF and instead just tries to make them look bad.
Probably because they can't. I guess its hard to when you have the founder of PETA on tape defending two employees who killed two healthy animals moments after receiving them while under the guise of finding them homes.
Well, I guess they found a home in a dumpster.
Fleefles 2 years ago
hurtgoat, you are my hero. i only wish i could have such witty, intelligent retorts as thou
LARAMONExALFNOWx 2 years ago
Awesome video!
Jackwmf 2 years ago
CCF beats the hell out of Meme Roth when it comes to logic.
litalearthquakes 2 years ago
The CCF are dumb asses XD
irishjoesbar 2 years ago 8
Another not-so-strange bedfellow funding the CCF is the Agribusiness lobby. Monsanto, the manufacturer of Agent Orange, a human carcinogen that disabled tens of thousands of Vietnam vets, also manufactures the genetically engineered growth hormone rBGH used in cows to hasten their milk production.
Monsanto pays the CCF to discredit PETA for speaking out openly against the use of growth hormones in farm animals, hormones which are known to cause human cancers!
CDLver 2 years ago 8
When I posted critical reports about rBST/rBGH on the Cornell Cooperative Extension site (more like a Pine-based BBS) in the mid 90's, it was repeatedly removed, in lieu of yet-more pro-milk, pro-rBGH propaganda.
Monsanto and Cornell jointly developed rBST/rBGH and Cornell is the "land grant university" for the cooperative extension service in New York State.
Just a coincidence?
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago 6
It is no coincidence that behind the anti-PETA campaign of propaganda, one continually finds The Center for Consumer Freedom.
Richard Berman is a high-priced Washington, D.C. lobbyist, who is paid obscene amounts of money to run negative campaigns attacking PETA on behalf of the meat and tobacco industries, the very industries PETA has exposed for exploiting animals.
CDLver 2 years ago 9
"Paid For By the Center For Consumer Freedom" propaganda is funded by Philip Morris, who has been highly criticized by PETA for contracting with UCLA, to whom they've paid $6 million to conduct nicotine studies on monkeys.
In a despicable attempt for the tobacco industry to find a "safe" way for pregnant women to smoke, pregnant monkeys are being force-fed massive doses of nicotine, their babies are aborted and lungs dissected to "study" the effects of their toxic chemicals on the fetus.
CDLver 2 years ago 5
@CDLver Yes how dare those monsters want to make it safer for human fetuses.
FatherTime89 1 year ago
Thanks for this video!!!
haydenvegan 2 years ago 3
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PETA is nothing but a domestic terrorism organization.
braino2000 2 years ago
The CCF deals in fascist propaganda. Political activism is democracy in its truest, most direct form.
hurtgoat 2 years ago 9
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I never said I condoned the motives of CCF. All you fucktards say is anything that isn't your agenda is "fascist". PETA is political activism... Do some research, domestic terrorism isn't "political activism".
braino2000 2 years ago
To label something that clearly is political activism as "domestic terrorism", is basically the same fascist rhetoric that Joseph Goebbels utilized. Discrediting large groups of people by calling them dangerous and portraying them as devilish/ridiculous stereotypes in the media...
Yep, Goebbels would've been proud, I think. You might not "condone the motives of CCF", but if you believe their corporately funded bullshit, you're part of the problem.
hurtgoat 2 years ago 10
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Yes, blowing up labs and destroying farms is nothing but "political activism". Get a fucking clue. Once again, you fucktards label everything that isn't your agenda as "fascist".
braino2000 2 years ago
Give me a quick description of the "fucktard" agenda, won't you please?
If fucktards are advocates for the freedom of speach, everything that isn't our agenda would naturally be attitudes and conduct that harms this freedom, and, what is the definition of fascism again?
hurtgoat 2 years ago 5
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ROFL!!!! Fascism is total state control, one-party state, against all things including conservatism, liberalism, and human rights. How can you not know what fascism is? And you're using it way out of context by saying CCF is "fascist propaganda". It's stupid propaganda, that's it, nothing more... It doesn't mean it supports fascism. Not everything that's in opposition to you is "fascist"... Just thought I'd let you know...
braino2000 2 years ago
Okay, bad phrasing on my part there, but it was supposed to be a rhetorical question.
There is, of course, a difference between the concept of "fascist propaganda" and the entire fascist ideology. Propaganda in fascist countries was a tool the state used to undermine their enemies, which included capitalists, liberalists and communists. In this case, it is American capitalists who uses fascist-like means to undermine their enemies. In the future, Ill use the word anti-democratic instead.
hurtgoat 2 years ago 6
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Actually, liberals and socialist use just as much opposing trash propaganda... So, please, go read and shut the fuck up. You honestly think capitalists in america are the only ones with political axe to grind? How is it anti-democratic? You're fucking ignorant. If you honestly can't see errors in both the left and the right you're a fucking tool. Get over yourself and your biased ideology.
braino2000 2 years ago
I get the feeling you're on the 'warpath', mister. I haven't said anything about liberals and socialists in my posts here. In fact, coming from Norway, I know everything about the trash propaganda of left-wing politicians. All Im saying is: When big corporations pay for extensive smear-campaigns against certain interest-groups, it seems to me like something that harms democracy. We have the same shit in Norway, though it might be better hidden, (which could mean it's even worse here.)
hurtgoat 2 years ago 5
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fuck peta
guezz119 2 years ago
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Refute what the CCF says or STFU. This is just a bunch of strawman arguments. The CCF tells the truth and you know you can't defeat their message with facts. Can you blame corporations for wanting to fund an organization to bring a voice of reason to all of the mindless hysteria promoted by it's opposition?
BillyBawb 2 years ago
The CCF tells the truth? Chortle.
I just featured this vid on our front page.
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago 7
Refute them? Alrighty, that's not really a problem.
They're the same "thinktank" that brought us tobacco not causing cancer. Trans fats are good for you. Being morbidly obese isn't unhealthy. All of which comes pretty much pre-refuted.
No one funds *anything* to "bring a voice of reason". You fund something to get propaganda out there to people that're dumb enough to believe anything that makes them feel better.
Seldarin3 2 years ago
*Before* you refute any claim, it is wise to see if the source is credible!
KnittyGrittyNatch 2 years ago
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what! you ars turds start a war and the meat eaters and companies whom employ millions of people and there families are going to back down you chose a side shut up. What's a matter are you afraid when the big bad meat eaters come for you.........It will be yummy
jsh78mang 3 years ago
Both CCF and PETA are full of bullshit. CCF are just soulless corporate whores, and PETA are some of the most depraved misanthropes out there- the propaganda that says your mother or father being a murderer because they eat meat is utter bullshit that needlessly damages children. I'm all for environmentalism but its obvious that PETA cares more about animals then people. You cannot tell me that cows is more impotent morally then the starving African children or the medically uninsured elderly .
Foxlover666 3 years ago
Thts always the ploy people who don't care about animals use. The thruth is it is possible to care about animal cruelty and human problems.
JUMPTHEGUNZZX 3 years ago 5
Animal rights compliments human rights...it's interconnected...in every way.
topdawg3010 3 years ago 6
I don't think anyone has ever said cows are more important than starving children. Can you enlighten me, or are you simply pushing a strawman??
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
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Seeing that PETA cares more about supporting ecoterrorists , freeing minks into the wild killing the minks and the local environment at the same time and mailing out deathtraps to animal researchers I can safely say thats an adapt belief of mine and simply saying I'm pushing a strawman is merely wish fulfillment.
Foxlover666 3 years ago
You are wrong about the deathtraps, and none of your explanations support the idea that cows are more important. The fact you have rated my comment down for asking an open question makes you look like a jackass.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
It's a bit of a false dichotomy anyway.
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago
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consumer freedom is awesome, bitch
kracykik 3 years ago
thankyou finally a smart person, who doesnt by cf's shit.
peteyroxmysox 3 years ago
this video is a relief. for a moment i thought everyone was buying into CCF's bullshit, even people in the animal rights movement..
if only i could come face to face with Rick Berman and demonstrate some animal activism to his ass...
LARAMONExALFNOWx 3 years ago 18
Hold on! Am I missing something here? Are you saying that PETA the multi million $ organization, fanatical about promoting their own agenda, are the only ones allowed to argue their views and take action on their beliefs?
Does no one else, even if self interested in their own views, have the right to provide counter argument?
If that's what you are implying, that smacks of dictatorship to me, not democracy, and we all know where dictatorship takes us.
Dougaldogz 3 years ago
awesome post man right to the point.
jsh78mang 3 years ago
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Animals have the right to be tasty.
If we don't eat meat how else will we control the animal population? There's a hunting season for a reason.
I'd rather enjoy a fine steak than some disgusting tofu hotdog that tastes like plastic. Also, soy has estrogen precursors. Enjoy your estrogen vegan guys.
I wish that PETA would campaign in a third world country. I'd laugh hysterically as a PETA spokesperson watches a "savage" snap a chicken's neck and turn it into something tasty.
LTS1287 3 years ago
humans are animals too you idiot. if that's your argument, then humans should be on the 'ok to eat' and 'ok to hunt' list as well
Secnateb 3 years ago
No, I don't support cannibalism, you tard. What I do support is my right to eat meat and people's right to not be harassed about eating meat by self righteous faggots like you.
FYI: there's a hunting season for certain animals for a reason. Its done when there populations peak so as to keep them under control. Its a balance. Do your research, hippie.
LTS1287 3 years ago
haha, wow so many mistakes here. i like girls so i'm not a faggot. people who use that word like that are rather dull, irritating and unoriginal. and if it's for population control, i say we should have started hunting people long ago. we're a fucking virus to this planet. i mean we already have cigarettes and other things for human population control, but one more thing can't hurt.
and lastly, i'm not a hippie so don't start vomiting idiotic statements with no knowledge.
Secnateb 3 years ago
Secnateb. hahahaha you my kind a guy. I agree with you 100%, we don't need to eat meat, and yea we should have started hunting people long ago. this LTS1287 shithead is the hippi faggot who is going to shit in his pants when the 500 lbs grizzly bear goes after him and he forgot to bring his gun. LOL
coolpower77 3 years ago
we do not need to eat meat and people like you who do not want to realize that are pathetic. it's a barbaric pleasure humans are too weak to overcome as a whole. if you need to hunt and eat to survive...then by all means go for it. but the truth is humans have developed to a level where such things are rather unnecessary.
if you pride yourself on being so much higher than "animals", why do you act more 'animal-like' then they do?
Secnateb 3 years ago 2
@Secnateb Saying "You eat animals. Humans are animals. Therefore you think we should eat people." is like saying "You eat plants. Trees are plants. Therefore you think we should cut down trees to eat them."
That is one of the single most fucking illogical things I have ever heard. Not even the most fanatical meat-eater would go that far, to support cannibalism. You're putting words in people's mouths which they never said and never would say. And you think that's logical? HA.
Owl1222 1 year ago
Agreed.
Samthecatrocks 3 years ago
Thanks for telling the truth about the Center for Consumer Freedom. Just to be fair, I want to note that PepsiCo and Kraft Foods have refused to work with the CCF. PepsiCo also put an end to animal testing, which set a precedent for Coca-Cola to do the same, but I believe Coke still contributes to the CCF. Thirsty? Have a PEPSI!
jstorly 3 years ago 26
Unfortunately the animals that PETA euthanized were ALL healthy PETA never even botherd to find homes for them. PETA actually agreed to take some animals froma center to find homes for them,never bother to look just killed them. These were not animal who were sick old or dying these were healthy animals who could have found homes. PETA murdered them.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
The shelters they recieved them from couldn't havefound homes for them. PETYA was giving them free euthanasia so those wouldn't have had to be gassed to death, which can take up to a half hour! PETA is doing the right thing by reducing animal suffering and giving them a humane exit. Whats hypocritical is the Center for Consumer Freedom attack PETA for putting homeless overpopulated animals to sleep but at the same time defend dog breeders.
goingemoguy 3 years ago 2
They could have found homes for them. WIth a $30 million budget PETA could have found homes for them. Talk to the regretful people who gave their animals to PETA. They gave them to PETA in the agreement that PETA was goign to find homes for them and if PETA could not do that they should ahve returned them.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
You don't really know anything about reputable dg breeders do you except what you heard from PETA. Have you ever actually sat down with a reputable dog breeder? Trust me the over opulation problem has NOTHING to do with them. Reputbable breeders make little to no profit, breeding is a hobby born out of love for the breed and dogs in general. ALL reputable breeders say right in their contract that if ever the owners need to give the dog up they are to be returned to the breeder.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
so teh dogs in shelters have nothing to do with reputable breeders and everything to do with irresonsible owners.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
"ALL reputable breeders say right in their contract that if ever the owners need to give the dog up they are to be returned to the breeder."
Does the reputable breeder expect the dogfighter to ask for a refund of his money when the pit bull dog fails to demonstrate "gameness" during a roll?
The dog will be rendered as bait, then tossed to the streets where he will be picked up by animal control and euthanized. That is of course, if he does not take a bullet to the head first.
CDLver 3 years ago
a reputable breeder would never sell to a dog fighter in the first place. They interview prospective puppy buyers before they can take home the pup so I really don't see your point.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
"a reputable breeder would never sell to a dog fighter in the first place. They interview prospective puppy buyers before they can take home the pup so I really don't see your point"
ferret, how do the thousands of "reputable" breeders who sell pit bull dogs via the internet interview prospective buyers?
CDLver 3 years ago
"WIth a $30 million budget PETA could have found homes for them."
ferret, PETA is not a shelter; they provide humane euthanasia to animals who would otherwise be gassed to death in metal boxes, or sold into a life of animal experimentation.
If PETA is euthanizing animals, it is because the shelters, not PETA, couldn't find homes for them.
You fail to understand that PETA's donations serve to expose the many aspects of all animal suffering and exploitation around the world.
CDLver 3 years ago
In terms of how much money is needed to mitigate animal suffering, ferret, Best Friends, the rescue group that took in 22 of Vick's pit bull dogs, is a no-kill shelter with a 30 million dollar-a-year budget that can HUMANELY houses 2,000 animals.
Best Friends estimates the cost for lifetime care of 2 of the dogs, who must remain at the shelter, to be 40,000 for each dog.
There are far more abandoned animals than money to humanely care for them.
CDLver 3 years ago
You really don't have a defense so you brought up Best Friends, you are just dodging the point here. I'm sure PETA has the means of becoming a no-kill fascility in fact Ingrid even admited that. PETA uses a mere 1% of its annual budget towards caring for animals the rest goes to making publicity stunts like comparing the death of Tim McLean to that of a chicken in total disregard to the feelings of his family.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
PETA came to them, they did not come to PETA. PETA sought them out that is the difference.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
"PETA came to them, they did not come to PETA. PETA sought them out that is the difference."
ferret, Irrefutable is the fact that Dr. Proctor of the Ahoskie Animal Hospital was on PETA's payroll for years receiving payment for performing euthanasia and sterilization of animals on their behalf.
From which "centers" did PETA, as you claim, take and murder animals?
CDLver 3 years ago 2
Dr. Proctor had been doing business with PETA since 2001. For 5 years, he called PETA to take unwanted cats that were left abandoned at his private vet practice, the Ahoskie Animal Hospital.
Do you expect reasonably reasonable thinkers to believe that Dr. Proctor did not know that PETA euthanizes animals?
For a decade, the CCF has been plastering "PETA Kills Animals" ads around the country, but Dr. Proctor hadn't heard that rumour, huh?
CDLver 3 years ago 2
@goingemoguy good or not it was still cruel. PETA violated a a law stating that a animal could only be held for 5 day before putting them die.
Neoguest 1 year ago
@goingemoguy So PETA has no problem killing perfectly healthy animals? They won't even try to find homes from them? Not even try a fundraiser? What massive hypocrites.
FatherTime89 1 year ago
@goingemoguy
because PETA demonizes respectable breeders with the backyard variant.
a respectable breeder knows that you NEVER turn your bitch (female dog) into a baby machine, because that results in damage to the mother and deformities.
Oh? so it's alright to kill a healthy mother and her puppies because of a humane exit?
by the way, the CCF hasn't defended breeders, they've done that themselves.
TheChoujinVirus 8 months ago
"PETA actually agreed to take some animals froma center to find homes for them,never bother to look just killed them. These were not animal who were sick old or dying these were healthy animals who could have found homes. PETA murdered them."
From which "center" do you refer, ferret, where you claim PETA took animals, and then "murdered" them?
CDLver 3 years ago
one example of a center would be the Ahoskie Animal Hospital.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
you mean the same Ahoskie Animal Hospital that gassed animals to death which takes a half hour?
goingemoguy 3 years ago
while I don't agree with gassing even if Ahoskie does that form of euthanasia PETA didn't save any animals from that fate as the hospital gave them their healthiest and most adoptable animals, at the very least PETA should have sent them to a no-kill shelter. They were there to find them homes nothing else. There is no way PETA should have an adoption rate less than 80% of animal control centers in Virginia. If you are doing so poorly at adoptiing out then stop collecting animals!
ferretnation88 3 years ago
PETA also took from the Northhampton County pound& Bertie County Animal Shelter and from Rainbow Animal Rescue which is a NO-KILL facility. There would have been no fear of the animals being gassed to death at Rainbow rescue.
ferretnation88 3 years ago
"PETA took from the Bertie County Animal Shelter"
PETA spent 240,000 dollars cleaning up Bertie County's slow-kill shelters, sending the county's ONE animal control officer to training, and paying cleaners to maintain the shelters.
ferret, PETA stepped in to help the Bertie Shelter in 2000 when a police officer reported this disgusting shelter where the
enclosure had no roof, dogs floated in flooded cages of excrement, and dogs so starved that they were eating the dead animals.
CDLver 3 years ago 2
"PETA also took from the Northhampton County"
You, ferret, are grossly misinformed. PETA rescued animals from this miserable shelter, one in which animals suffered horrifically, and then met their pitiful end in a metal box gassed to death.
Northhampton and Bertie shelters were an absolute disgrace before PETA stepped in to save those animals.
CDLver 3 years ago
"Rainbow Animal Rescue which is a NO-KILL facility"
Rainbow Animal Rescue is a fabulous organization, but they do not have an open admission policy because they are overwhelmed with abandoned animals.
PETA does not take animals from Rainbow. Rainbow simply cannot humanely house all of the animals brought to them, and as such people turn to PETA rather than leave their animal at a shelter where, incidentally, selling animals to labs for research is quite legal in North Carolina.
CDLver 3 years ago 2
"There is no way PETA should have an adoption rate less than 80% of animal control centers in Virginia"
In 2007, the state of Virginia euthanized 58, 445 cats and 36,425 dogs; 1,954 cats and 831 dogs died while being held at shelters.
In 2007, Humane Societies of Virginia euthanized 22,365 cats and 8,010 dogs; 682 cats and 244 dogs died while being held at their shelters.
These animals struggled for 30 minutes before they were poisoned to death with gas in metal boxes.
CDLver 3 years ago 2
You refer, ferret, to the witch-hunt of a criminal case of Ms. Hinkle and Mr. Cook, the 2 PETA employees who were charged with, but found not guilty of lying to get 3 cats from vet Patrick Proctor's Ahoskie Animal Hospital.
At trial Dr. Proctor's testified that "it was time for us to go ahead and move them [the cats], so you can go ahead and call PETA"
Proctor asked his secretary to call PETA, as he had done many times before because he couldn't find homes for the 3 cats himself.
CDLver 3 years ago 2
Incidentally, Patrick Proctor, the vet who testified against Ms.Hinkle & Mr. Cook at trial participated in PETA's FREE spay/neuter program, where he performed the surgery at HIS PRIVATE PRACTICE, the Ahoskie Animal Hospital, and then billed PETA top dollar for the service.
Obviously, the jury did not find Dr. Proctor credible, and as such acquitted Ms. Hinkle of three counts of lying to get cats from his office.
CDLver 3 years ago 2
ferret, PETA had been picking up unwanted and abandoned animals from Dr. Proctor's Ahoskie Animal Hospital since 2001.
In fact, the animal shelter in Hertford County (where HIS veterinary practice is located) contracted with Dr. Proctor to euthanize animals that were too sick or too old to be adopted out. PETA paid for the humane euthanasia of those shelter animals by Dr. Proctor.
CDLver 3 years ago 2
Here's what I see and hear from PETA - naked co-eds.
They should respectfully decline the
endorsement of Pamela Anderson and start using their Millions to shelter and find homes for pets instead of producing offensively alienating and human degrading ad campaigns.
buzzardbeatniks 3 years ago
However, I think that the interest of the CCF should be obvious to everyone.
These corporations are under attack, they put together their own retarded group to fight back. It's a stupid little war, but conflict is the spice of life.
It's extremists on both sides and they both suck.
YOU need to use your own mind and figure this shit out - do you eat at McDonalds every day? Are you fat? And this is McDonalds fault?
Your self control and lack of reasoning issues are your own responsibility.
buzzardbeatniks 3 years ago
In 2007, buzzardbeatniks, PETA secured more than $3 million worth of free advertising space in magazines and newspapers, on radio, billboards, and TV from supporters.
If public personalities are stepping up to do PSA's for PETA, it is because they support the cause for animal rights, and not because they receive monetary compensation.
CDLver 3 years ago 5
"Millions to shelter and find homes for pets instead of producing offensively alienating and human degrading ad campaigns"
PETA's "I'd Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur" campaign, beatniks, has been incredibly successful in catapulting into the spotlight the hideously cruelty behind the fur, leather and wool industries.
If not but for PETA exposing the horrors that animals endure languishing in cages until they are skinned for their pelts, how else would the world have known?
CDLver 3 years ago 8
Haha keep exposing this trash. I remember when pen and teller had their vapid CCF infomercial thing going on in multiple shows. Those guys are now known as the zero integrity duo.
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago
"the slaughter of kittens That's sick."
voxel, I realize your frustration at the obscene number of abandoned animals being euthanized every day. As a tax-payer, you should be outraged that your dollars are being spent to suffocate animals in gas chambers, when such money could be used to humanely house, care for, and adopt them out.
Write your lawmakers. Demand that no-kill shelters have an open-admission policy. Then PETA won't be forced to clean up after society's messy indifference.
CDLver 3 years ago
Valuable info here on this video CDLver.
GUMMERUP 3 years ago
"PETA kills animals"
PETA humanely euthanizes animals. This is no secret. If PETA sought to conceal such information, why then are they so vocal about the animal overpopulation issue, and how if fuels the outrageous numbers of animals being euthanized? If it does not make sense, it cannot be true.
You've accomplished nothing, voxel, except to confirm that your fact are distortions of truth.
CDLver 3 years ago 3
what we've accomplished today. PETA kills animals, including healthy kittens even though they took in $30 million. I would have taken in one of those kittens. My local no kill shelter would have too. PETA really tried didn't they?
CCF re-publishes public records such as PETA's kill records and tax information and insures that consumers know about it to make informed decisions about their donations.
PETA supporter justifies animal slauther.
Well I'm done. It's laundry time.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
I see CDLver has given you answers to all your ridiculous lies and put you right. Nasty little campaign you have to keep animal cruelty going.
GUMMERUP 3 years ago
to get back on topic a bit "None of the information that the CCF 'exposes' has ever been hidden."
You are right. The information produced by the CCF is all verifiable.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
To retract Ami moore has not won though the courts are hearing her case. Sorry you can't go around and lie about people. That's what PETA does. They're information is bought and paid for by the PCRM and they're stats have no basis in reality. There is no third party verification. You know i can find more cases of harassment because you know that they are there too. PETA is a bully. The CCF has the guns to do what many of us monetarily can't. TAKE THEM ON!
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"To retract Ami moore has not won though the courts are hearing her case."
The premise of her case is laughable. She will lose, much like Covance, Schumacher, and AWI, having to pay PETA's legal fees.
CDLver 3 years ago
You know why i love the CCF? because PETA is a bully. I love that this giant that picks on small business owners, abbeys, school children etc is being put in their place by someone. ANYONE!!! I go to both the ccf and peta site regularly. I can find outside sources for CCF I can't find them for PETA.
I don't have the time to lobby congress (PETA does) I don't have the time to make a nice website showing the constant BS of PETA so I'm really glad that someone can do these things.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"I love that this giant that picks on small business owners abbeys, school children"
And how, voxel, does PETA "pick on" small business owners? Abbeys? School Children?
Vague statements not supported by fact are indicative of one who merely has an ax to grind.
CDLver 3 years ago
Well Mepkin Abbey was hounded, picketed and slenderized until they stopped egg production. Ami Moore sued and won against PETA for slander against her local business. School children are bombarded with "your mother is a murder messages" as PETA lobbies for school spaces in the "humane education laws" all why PETA themselves support violence tactic for the animal rights cause. The local government has regulations we don't need PETA to bully people further. I can supply more cases of harassment.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"Mepkin Abbey was picketed until they stopped egg production"
PETA's undercover investigation of the Mepkin Abbey's vile factory-farm egg production plant speaks for itself: 38,000 chickens confined in a living hell of wire cages; injured hens left to die in pain from broken legs; hens starved for 2 weeks in order to shock them into egg production; and the blatant disregard for the animal's humane care by the monks.
These men of God torture animals for profit, and PETA has exposed them.
CDLver 3 years ago
Peta didn't expose them! The government didn't come in and stop them from doing anything. We the people have voted and been heard about what we consider lawful towards animals and the Abbey was *not* breaking any laws. PETA bullied them into submission. Get over it. If PETA can't take a dose of their own medicine which is simply what the ccf is doing then they have no place in activism.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"If PETA can't take a dose of their own medicine which is simply what the ccf is doing then they have no place in activism."
For 27 years, PETA has been exposing animal exploitation in virtually every industry where animals are abused for human profit.
And they do so, taking personal hits on the chin with a grain of salt.
The CCF are small-time.
CDLver 3 years ago
"Ami Moore sued and won against PETA"
Ami Moore, the self-professed Chicago dog whisperer, is an unlicensed dog trainer with no credentials, who was arrested for cruelty to animals when her neighbors witnessed her in a public park continuously shocking 2 dogs with an e-collar, a dog so small that he was lifted into the air, crying out in pain.
The woman is a sadistic fraud whose dog-training business is a scam based on instilling fear and terror.
She is suing PETA at her own peril.
CDLver 3 years ago
"PETA lobbies for humane education laws in schools"
So? The Vegetarian Starter Kit given to children is age appropriate, factual information about the horrendous cruelty animals suffer, and the health risks to humans who consume factory-farmed animals.
"Chickens are drugged and bred to grow so fast that many become crippled under their own weight. At slaughter, they are still conscious when their throats are slit, and scalded to death."
Quite a truth Agribusiness doesn't want known.
CDLver 3 years ago
yeah they lobby for human education laws that only peta has the sources to fill. They leave a gap in education that peta exploits to pump it's inaccurate information to. Everything you believe in is a lie. I can't even find third party verification for *anything* peta says. How can you back a group that's only point of reference is themselves? CCF uses public information to prove their point.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"CCF uses public information to prove their point."
None of the information that the CCF 'exposes' has ever been hidden. Some is made up, some is half-truth, and all that is real (yet mischaracterized) is available in public reports, press accounts, and IRS filings.
When critical viewers examine CCF fudning, they find the very industries that PETA has exposed for animal exploitation.
CDLver 3 years ago
who cares about the funding? the fact is CCF has facts! PETA is trying to hide their death rates for last year because they realize that people didn't know this and don't like this. CCF is simply posting all this information in one place and asking for answers. The only thing you have on them is funding. Well that's laughable.
Average PETA supporters DON'T know this info. I've personally converted a dozen members this month.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"PETA is trying to hide their death rates for last year"
PETA euthanizes animals, voxel. This is no secret. PETA seeks to hide nothing that the CCF endeavors to expose.
In 2007, the state of Virginia euthanized 58, 445 cats and 36,425 dogs; 1,954 cats and 831 dogs died while being held at shelters.
In 2007, Humane Societies of Virginia euthanized 22, 365 cats and 8,010 dogs; 682 cats and 244 dogs died while being held at their shelters.
CDLver 3 years ago
PETA has held off public releasing of the numbers from 2007 because they are trying to convince VA to let them use the numbers of animals that they never took in.
The stat of VA is not the "state of the ethical treatment to animals". They make no claim of ethical treatment to animals at all. PETA does. PETA isn't a shelter why are you comparing them to one? PETA just kills animal for what seems like fun.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"PETA has held off public releasing of the numbers from 2007"
The figure is available to the public, voxel.
"The stat of VA is not the state of the ethical treatment to animals"
Indeed, shelters have a moral obligation to care for, house, and provide basic humane treatment to abandoned animals in their care. The tax-payers who fund these shelters demand no less.
The U.S. shelter system euthanizes 27, 473 animals every day at a cost of 2 billion dollars a year.
CDLver 3 years ago
actually the 2007 result aren't available unless you go to the CCF site because the CCF had to make a request, the numbers aren't out for public release. Can you link to them outside CCF?
Why are you comparing PETA to a shelter? They aren't a shelter remember? it doesn't matter what the shelter numbers are.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
The state of va is not the state of ethical treatment of animals. They do not pretend that they are fighting for animals rights to life. PETA is though, that's why its appaling that peta kills animals I'm sorry that you don't understand that.
Also PETA is *not* a shelter why are you comparing them to shelters? Peta just kills animals for fun more or less. They tell people they will help animals, take them from those people, and kill the animals in vans. That's SICK.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
It is quite ethical for PETA to humanely euthanize unwanted, abandoned, sick, and old animals who would otherwise be left to languish in a tax-payer funded shelter, where they are either sold into a life of animal experimentation by the shelter, or ground up and processed into meat by-product in pet food.
CDLver 3 years ago
Ethical to kill kittens that are given a clean bill of health? look i can find homes for kittens for free. I don't know what PETA's problem is. "kittens for free to good home" is to much for them to write out? They took in 30 mil i think they can find a few kittens a home.
Either way. Your average PETA supporter who thinks that peta loves animals and that animals have a RIGHT TO LIFE. disagree. I go around telling people peta kills animals. They don't know.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"They tell people they will help animals, take them from those people, and kill the animals in vans. That's SICK."
Which people, voxel?
CDLver 3 years ago
Dr Proctor said "As they were picking them up and taking them out of the cage, they were saying, my, what beautiful animals. We will have absolutely no trouble finding homes for these."... "And I'm assuming that they were put to sleep by the time they left the parking lot."
Dr Proctor is a vet. The animals were found in a dumpster.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"Dr Proctor is a vet."
PETA had been picking up unwanted and abandoned animals from Proctor's animal hospital since 2001. In fact, the animal shelter in Hertford County (where HIS veterinary practice is located) contracted with Dr. Proctor to euthanize their abandoned animals, and PETA paid for that service.
Obviously, the jury did not find Dr. Proctor credible, and as such acquitted Ms. Hinkle of three counts of lying to get cats from his office.
CDLver 3 years ago
Um... it doesn't matter what the dr. said. He wasn't part of the case. PETA can and does say one thing and then does another. That isn't breaking the law just lying. Dr Proctor was told the animals would be taken care of. End of story. That's what he was told. He did not know those animals would put to sleep.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"Um... it doesn't matter what the dr. said. He wasn't part of the case."
Incorrect, voxel. Dr. Proctor testified against PETA at trial. It was from his private veterinary practice that the 3 cats were alleged to have been taken under false pretense and euthanized.
You are a wealth of misinformation.
CDLver 3 years ago
Dr Proctor said "As they were picking them up and taking them out of the cage, they were saying, my, what beautiful animals"
Incorrect, voxel. That was not Dr. Proctor's testimony. At trial, Dr. Proctor's testified that "it was time for us to go ahead and move them [the cats], so you can go ahead and call PETA"
Proctor asked his secretary to call PETA, as he had done many times before, because he couldn't find homes for the three cats himself.
CDLver 3 years ago
oh please he could have euthanize them if that's what he wanted. You are first saying he isn't reliable and then trying to use his testimony to prove your point. I wasn't quoting his at trial testimony i was quoting what he told the papers.
I can't believe you are honestly sitting here trying to rationalize the slaughter of kittens. That's sick. Seriously take a step back. Innocent kittens that we as humans should protect. killed.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"oh please he could have euthanize them if that's what he wanted."
Indeed Dr. Proctor could've used his own supplies to euthanize the cats, but he let PETA do his dirty work, as he had many times before for years.
Dr. Proctor can spay and neuter animals in his private practice, too, but because his fee is more than most can pay, he performs the surgery under PETA's SNIP program, and then bills PETA top dollar for the service.
A real compassionate soul, huh?
CDLver 3 years ago
"Peta just kills animals for fun more or less"
Reasonably reasonable critical thinkers, those who have a clear understanding of the facts, dismiss such a preposterous allegation.
CDLver 3 years ago
I don't see any reason to kill healthy kittens. Most rational people agree with me.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"I don't see any reason to kill healthy kittens."
Nor do I, voxel. Yet, 4,000 U.S. tax-payer funded shelters who purport to privide a safe haven for society's unwanted animals euthanize 9.6 million every year.
PETA's approach to animal overpopulation is sterilization. Their SNIP program, Spay and Neuter Immediately, Please, has provided low cost/no cost spay and neuter services for 45,000 companion animals.
CDLver 3 years ago
Average PETA supporters DON'T know this info. I've personally converted a dozen members this month."
And to what have you converted former PETA supporters?
CDLver 3 years ago
After showing people were to find state information on PETA such as their kill rate (oh that's a huge one... "PETA kills kittens?... no"... "omg they do!"). Their support of terrorist activity. Their falsification of animal research info.. Once that is "exposed" (your right it's not hidden). People don't really want to be associated with them anymore. It's kinda funny. They feel lied to. CCF is just making the small print bigger.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"I can supply more cases of harassment."
I do not doubt that you will try. That said, what you characterize as "harassment" is, to animal activists, a lawful expression of opposition to animal exploitation.
CDLver 3 years ago
actually it isn't lawful. As of November 27th 2006 with the passing of the AETA, "force, violence, and threats involving animal enterprises" is now acts of terrorism. So all those threats that doctors, business owners, company owners get... acts of terrorism. :). The government is done playing with you children, the people are done playing with you too. Remember ami moore WON her lawsuit because PETA was breaking the law.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"Remember ami moore WON her lawsuit because PETA was breaking the law."
What did PETA do in the case of Ami Moore to break the law, voxel? I am not aware of any crime committed by PETA against Ms. Moore.
CDLver 3 years ago
It's called defamation of character. You don't get it do you? People used to just sit around afraid of PETA. They go into communities and go after these individuals who get scared and take it. It's not happening anymore. More and more local business owners are saying no and their community is applauding them. Personally i can't wait until the AETA puts and AR behind bars for a very long time. oh wait i don't have to wait Rod coronado *is* in jail! such law abiding people.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"It's called defamation of character."
This is not a crime for which one can be imprisoned, voxel. Ms. Moore is angry because her neighbors, concerned citizens who witnessed her engage in wanton acts of cruel and excessive punishment as a means by which to "train" an animal, and refused to do business with her.
She closed her shop and left town. Good riddance to her.
CDLver 3 years ago
not imprisoned. It's called civil law for a reason.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
"The government is done playing with you children, the people are done playing with you too."
Peaceful demonstration and boycotting of industries engaging in and/or supporting animal torture for profit is still quite legal, voxel.
No one is playing here. Animal rightist are animal welfarist who mean it.
CDLver 3 years ago
right and they mean it with fire bombing buildings. It is PETA's stance that violence is acceptable. It is ALF's stance that they are at war.
voxelectronica 3 years ago
This organization (CCF) is so much like from the movie "Thank You for Smoking"... all cheap and dirty abuse of psychology, using spin tricks as effective propaganda. Goebbels would be proud of them.
Just throw "Freedom!" and the people will grab for it like for free sweets. Say "X kills" in the PETA case you don't tell a factual lie, but still twist facts by 180 degrees. Where are Noam Chomsky's intellectual self-defense courses? ...
itekisan 3 years ago
This IS a real eye opener. Something isn't right here! PETA has been framed and made to be the bad guys, when in fact, they are the true heros. Animals will die in shelters because there are far too many. 1) PETA is trying to offer spay/neuter programs 2)and the unfortunate but only answer when absolutely necessary is humane euthanisa.
Why would anyone want to see an unwanted, unloved, lonely & perhaps sick being sit in a cage and die a slow and painful death. It's wrong! We all know that!
DianeDi 3 years ago
wow CDLver, what a load of crap.
I'm sure you know that the Tobacco industry, to avoid a full government crackdown they donate money to nonprofit organizations.
You believe that "Uncle Sam" wants us to stay sick and unhealthy to take our money, and to keep us "Sheeple" in the dark.
If you don't like the way this government is running, then get out of the U.S.
TheChoujinVirus 3 years ago
"If you don't like the way this government is running, then get out of the U.S."
I prefer to remain and exercise my constitutional right to express outrage.
That is, of course, why we are at war -- so that citizens may continue to exercise such freedom.
CDLver 3 years ago
I hate the "take it or leave it " mentality. IMO, if you took Choujin's advice just because you expressed dissent, the founding fathers would be spinning in their graves.
travelsonic 3 years ago
Typically, those who don't engage in the use of illegal narcotics such as heroine, cocaine, and amphetamines, wouldn't "nanny-up" to those who exercise their freedom to do so at their OWN peril.
However, when a cat is caged and confined, shot up with "speed" and infected with FIV to study the effects of drug addiction and sexual disinhibition, then American big business and the vivisectors will hear from PETA!
CDLver 3 years ago
The CCF name-calls PETA "nanny" because, as the CCF says, "[PETA] thinks they know what's best for you." Well, if PETA is your nanny, then the pharmaceutical companies are your dealer, and the meat, tobacco, and alcohol industries are your pusher!
CDLver 3 years ago
BRAVO on this comment! You hit the nail right on the head fair and square !!
DianeDi 3 years ago
Outrageous is the fa{s}t-food industry funding experiments on animals so they can market their diet pills!
Testing diet pill drugs on monkeys so that the pharmaceutical industry can sell its drugs to consumers so that human beings can continue to "safely" sit about the house for hours on end in front of the telly while feeding their faces with burgers and beer is disgusting.
The CCF is paid to do damage control when this sort of information is made public, and PETA makes it public!
CDLver 3 years ago
The decision to use alcohol or other intoxicants, for that matter, is a personal one until such time that the choice infringes upon and/or compromises the safety and well-being of society's innocent and law-abiding citizens.
The constant barrage of disinformation put out by the CCF flies in the face of common sense. Not surprisingly, the CCF, funded by sponsors that sell alcohol, lobbied vigorously
against efforts by MADD to lower the legal blood-alcohol limit for drivers.
Scandalous!
CDLver 3 years ago
The CCF operates the PETAKillsAnimals website, which is rife with false, inaccurate, and intentionally misleading statements such as the incendiary claim that PETA has killed 14, 400 animals from 1998 through 2005.
Conveniently, those numbers were not put into the context of animal euthanasia in the U.S.
In that same time period, 70 million animal's lives ended by the profoundly cruel and miserable method of poison -- gassed to death in metal boxes.
CDLver 3 years ago
Much like the false and inaccurate and even insanely misleading statements made on the PETA chain of websites? Are you really going to side with either? They both pull a great deal of crap and PETA is probably even worse than CCF.
docsrocks 3 years ago