@tonkacaptain If these comment boxes were not so limited, making it necessary to cramp wording, it would make it much nicer to write normal articulate answers that detail an argument or story. If anyone finds out how a channel owner can modify that limit, let us know. Otherwise, you're stuck filling in articulate missing phrases and patching together boxes needing to be daisy chained as mine were.
Other websites vary, some more generous, some less. tweeting is not for depth & normalcy
From what I know in this area, that gas is burned to neutralize the hydrogen sulfide and other toxic materials extracted from the production, useful gas. However, I agree that it can be used more useful that just burn off. The second point about powering everything using NG is that the energy density for large combustion is insufficient. Big diesel needs a more dense fuel to operate efficiently. Second - We have some of the infrastructure, look up Syngas fuel for methanol.
@SCRedoubt Caterpillar makes huge spark-ignition engines that run on natural gas as well as methane. Gas compressors in the fields use huge Waukesha engines that run right off the gas coming from the well the compressor is sucking from. Now diesel fuel does have ALOT more BTU content than natural gas does.
@MrShawn305 Your comment about BTUs is so important, glad that you made it!. How efficiently a energy source is used and how much energy a source contains are two totally different matters!!! Not many can recognize a difference. These days it seems net inputs and outputs are not realized, only good intentions of ideas
@tonkacaptain I agree with you, however the only thing BTU content affects is not really efficiency, but instead power output. Efficiency really depends on how well the engine can take advantage of that BTU content. A well engineered and well tuned engine will be fuel efficient regardless of the fuel it is running on (as long as it is made to run on that fuel.) The same engine running on CNG will take more fuel to produce the same power output than if it were run on diesel fuel because of the...
@MrShawn305 difference in stored energy. If you are talking specifically about the efficiency of an energy source as a whole, I agree with you that NG is the way to go. It seems like it requires less refining and burns very clean. Am I making any sense?
@MrShawn305 Thank you for the response. You are making sense. I agree a engine well tuned is the best way to make efficient use of the fuel it uses to operate. My point stemmed from the idea of using a fuel like corn based Ethanol which takes more inputs to produce a output. I guess my main point is I wish we as a country would use the energy sources available to us that have the most BTUs and let free markets determine that.
@tonkacaptain I see what you mean, I totally agree with you about corn based ethanol and things like that. Not only does it take alot to produce, but it cuts into our already artificially sustained food supply.
AND WE DON'T WANT GAS IN OUR WATER SUPPLIES EITHER. WATER IS LIFE ESSENTIAL AND ALREADY LIMITED COMPARED TO NEED. Even with all the rain weather here, only 1 aquifer is usable
Not NG nor fracking toxins
WE WANT A GOOD LIFE not losing vital needs to make up for LACK OF CREATIVITY AND LACK OF ENERGETIC WILL to make those desirable creative solutions reality. Down with lazy thinking. You got that lazy thinking problem well identified
Thanks for the wonderful discovery of such a bounty.
In the few years we lived north of Cinci (Fairfield) the Gas&Electric Co dismissed complaints about gas leaking into homes. The pipes (they said) had been shut down. So they ignored the complaints
BOOM! It took out a whole area of that neighborhood, NEXT TO A SCHOOL
Fortunately for thousands of children, the explosion was not schooltime
Control the waste. Replace the nukes with NG with special truckers
DON'T let invasive networks with explosive potential into the rest of our lifestyle ++>
This country 's lifestyle & businesses WASTE HUGE RESOURCES
Definitely control escaping NG waste to REPLACE NUKES & WHATEVER COAL PLANTS CAN'T DO BIOMASS/COAL BLEND (cleaner)
BUT, as someone who has lived in Cincinnati/OhKyIN where we had such a distribution network for NG for homes, businesses, even some streetlamps on gas... Pipe-integrity is crucial & as that infrastructure aged, THE HAZARDS BECAME LESS CONTROLABLE TIL MANY DON'T WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR A GAS PIPELINE. JUSTIFIABLY ++>
Great point Al. Flippin oil! They've got us by the cahoonas dont they. Maybe Mr. Obama should look in to this. Heaven forbin they think outside the box. -Nate
@tonkacaptain If these comment boxes were not so limited, making it necessary to cramp wording, it would make it much nicer to write normal articulate answers that detail an argument or story. If anyone finds out how a channel owner can modify that limit, let us know. Otherwise, you're stuck filling in articulate missing phrases and patching together boxes needing to be daisy chained as mine were.
Other websites vary, some more generous, some less. tweeting is not for depth & normalcy
dectiri 6 months ago
@dectiri Agreed. Thank your for the articulate response.
tonkacaptain 6 months ago
From what I know in this area, that gas is burned to neutralize the hydrogen sulfide and other toxic materials extracted from the production, useful gas. However, I agree that it can be used more useful that just burn off. The second point about powering everything using NG is that the energy density for large combustion is insufficient. Big diesel needs a more dense fuel to operate efficiently. Second - We have some of the infrastructure, look up Syngas fuel for methanol.
SCRedoubt 6 months ago
@SCRedoubt Caterpillar makes huge spark-ignition engines that run on natural gas as well as methane. Gas compressors in the fields use huge Waukesha engines that run right off the gas coming from the well the compressor is sucking from. Now diesel fuel does have ALOT more BTU content than natural gas does.
MrShawn305 6 months ago
@MrShawn305 Your comment about BTUs is so important, glad that you made it!. How efficiently a energy source is used and how much energy a source contains are two totally different matters!!! Not many can recognize a difference. These days it seems net inputs and outputs are not realized, only good intentions of ideas
tonkacaptain 6 months ago
@tonkacaptain I agree with you, however the only thing BTU content affects is not really efficiency, but instead power output. Efficiency really depends on how well the engine can take advantage of that BTU content. A well engineered and well tuned engine will be fuel efficient regardless of the fuel it is running on (as long as it is made to run on that fuel.) The same engine running on CNG will take more fuel to produce the same power output than if it were run on diesel fuel because of the...
MrShawn305 6 months ago
@MrShawn305 difference in stored energy. If you are talking specifically about the efficiency of an energy source as a whole, I agree with you that NG is the way to go. It seems like it requires less refining and burns very clean. Am I making any sense?
MrShawn305 6 months ago
@MrShawn305 Thank you for the response. You are making sense. I agree a engine well tuned is the best way to make efficient use of the fuel it uses to operate. My point stemmed from the idea of using a fuel like corn based Ethanol which takes more inputs to produce a output. I guess my main point is I wish we as a country would use the energy sources available to us that have the most BTUs and let free markets determine that.
tonkacaptain 6 months ago
@tonkacaptain I see what you mean, I totally agree with you about corn based ethanol and things like that. Not only does it take alot to produce, but it cuts into our already artificially sustained food supply.
MrShawn305 6 months ago
AND WE DON'T WANT GAS IN OUR WATER SUPPLIES EITHER. WATER IS LIFE ESSENTIAL AND ALREADY LIMITED COMPARED TO NEED. Even with all the rain weather here, only 1 aquifer is usable
Not NG nor fracking toxins
WE WANT A GOOD LIFE not losing vital needs to make up for LACK OF CREATIVITY AND LACK OF ENERGETIC WILL to make those desirable creative solutions reality. Down with lazy thinking. You got that lazy thinking problem well identified
Thanks for the wonderful discovery of such a bounty.
dectiri 6 months ago
@dectiri If your comments were better written they would make a your argument easier to understand....
tonkacaptain 6 months ago
In the few years we lived north of Cinci (Fairfield) the Gas&Electric Co dismissed complaints about gas leaking into homes. The pipes (they said) had been shut down. So they ignored the complaints
BOOM! It took out a whole area of that neighborhood, NEXT TO A SCHOOL
Fortunately for thousands of children, the explosion was not schooltime
Control the waste. Replace the nukes with NG with special truckers
DON'T let invasive networks with explosive potential into the rest of our lifestyle ++>
dectiri 6 months ago
This country 's lifestyle & businesses WASTE HUGE RESOURCES
Definitely control escaping NG waste to REPLACE NUKES & WHATEVER COAL PLANTS CAN'T DO BIOMASS/COAL BLEND (cleaner)
BUT, as someone who has lived in Cincinnati/OhKyIN where we had such a distribution network for NG for homes, businesses, even some streetlamps on gas... Pipe-integrity is crucial & as that infrastructure aged, THE HAZARDS BECAME LESS CONTROLABLE TIL MANY DON'T WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR A GAS PIPELINE. JUSTIFIABLY ++>
dectiri 6 months ago
Great point Al. Flippin oil! They've got us by the cahoonas dont they. Maybe Mr. Obama should look in to this. Heaven forbin they think outside the box. -Nate
N8Dogg1002 6 months ago
Natural Gas burns clean too.
shartne 6 months ago
What a waste of fuel. Just goes to show they have plenty of gas.
shartne 6 months ago