I appreciate seeing ground technique being utilized in any demo. The Jitsu (small circle) side of things does a good job of confronting and dealing with street attacks and the like.
@ksr1219 Akido is NOT ju-jitsu, and there is a difference Aikido is a modified form of a number of different Japanese Jujutsu styles. Morihei Ueshiba studied jujutsu from a number a Japanese masters before opting to create a more humane method of self defense that he called Aikido, the "way of harmony."
@theirresistableE Uhh...no its pretty discernable if you know what it is. I've studied some Japanese JJ from my 7th dan judo sensei (who is a blackbelt in 5 different arts btw). Its ALL wrist control in this which is Aiki. JJJ includes lapel throws, kicks like that knee...Shit they even created the flying armbar. Aikido is all about wrist control and clotheslines, with limited groundwork.
you can run out of bullets, you dont run out of fists. you train in case the fight does happen, not in case it doesnt and you train to be able to fight the biggest baddest motherfucker out there. discussion over
@shinkengatsxa again your right yet...u should train for peace of mind knowing u know what to do puts u at peace so u dont worry, u train to learn about life not to "Kick ass" as sooo many of us americans think... but yes i guess in a sense u r right
@shinkengatsxa I completely agree. Plus some folks don't realize that in order for a gun to work, you have to have it out and ready. Now unless you walk around with the gun cocked and ready, one could be surprised and unable to take out the gun from the holster, pocket, etc. But you always have your hands and feet with you. :-)
Which is not to downgrade the value of firearms for self defense, particularly home defense. It's just that having additional options is always valuable.
In house to house sweeps of area's, buy troops in Iraq , im sure would have face to face encounters.
Now im not saying this would always lead to hand to hand combat BUT. If we had a huge WW3 it would become very common for hand to hand combat to occur on the battlefeild.
You cant win a war without troops on the ground , and you'd be mad not to prepare for hand to hand combat . They train it for a reason
sseriously I'm not lying I'll try to find the vid for you. The instructor even said. "We're not going to win wars by doing BJJ or locks and stuff" "The winner is the guy who's buddy comes to help him with a gun"
Urban combat they'll have a greater chance to use it. But it's still ridcilously low. Soldiers will fight amongst themselves hand to hand then the enemy.
Its just when people say there no need for hand to hand combat training in the armed forces,i must disagree..
Once u get into bigger scale wars like WW2 it will become more common.They had bayonets on the guns for a reason..
My grandmaster fought for the french resistance in WW2 and would walk up to check points unarmed dressed in civilian clothes.The nazi's would ask for papers and then the group would attack the check point and kill the nazi's with their bare hands/Jujitsu.
Both of you make valid points. Their is a reason for soldiers to train in martials arts, its the reason why it was created. To prepare and develop the soldiers to fight battles, by developing their mind,body and soul. However, the martials arts they practice and the reality of the field are different scale, and in our modern times, people will mostly likely have a gun which make the use martials arts lessen. But for commandos, hand killing techniques that make barely no sound is needed.
Good point. Thanks for reminding me. It's actually Aikki Jiu-Jutsu which came directly from Jiu-Jutsu. So not DIRECTLY per-se but I still should have remembered that.
I hope that you jju fans all know that this is a demo. Way before mma and bjj. Probably before judo. Orginal ju jitsu would of been like punching, kicking, and grappling but not rolling on the ground due to the fact it came from japanesse samurai that fought on the battle ground. Not too much rollin around back then.
stand-up... ground.... its all jujutsu gentlemen no need to fight about self-defense vs. MMA.... The techniques are a framework and a template for application. It comes down to the user as far as effectiveness goes. The fighter himself decides what technique at what time to use. Train hard and smart, that is the best you can ask for.
This is real Ju-Jitsu not that rolling around on the ground sniffing each others armpits and crotches stuff like u see in MMA. Watch these moves really close and you can see most are deadly moves are are designed to kill or cripple your opponent. Not designed for a friendly MMA fight where one can tap out and have a cup of tea.
Real ju jitsu, you mean practice ju jitsu i let you throw me then you let me throw you, no real struggle , I tell you to grab me with your right hand no not left alright now you do this and i do that. meet on street or on the map it a like that bro it a whole nother ball game. your will vs mine, winner takes all
deadline you must be some type of jujitsu expert yourself. Are you mad because I insulted you training methods that are 100% in your favor, or that you training partner is so used to be thrown on the ground that he dosent even need help, he can fall on his own. Ive seen it happen way to much. Just because you fall on the ground for some dosent make you a good at jujitsu,so laugh all you want
Most ridiculos question in the world, becasue wars are fought with weapons, always have and always will be
Teaching pure sport MMA is of course stupid and dangeours and have good change to get you killed faster if we are talking about actual life and death situations..
They are clearly in video doing very sport type fthing in that video, no regards to battlefield situation = weapons/knife/guns/other people, at least in that video.
I have no doupt they address that, they have to since they are soldiers and if their Gracie stuff wouldn't address that fact it would be suicidal and idiotic. It's war not 1on1 homor match. Any number of people can teach that just well (non MMA/jujutsu included).
Plus the simple fact is, wars are fought with weapons and very vey few incidents in modern war happen due hand to hand without weapons of any kind combat. Very little value except of course fitness/mental etc. if we rare talking about modern wars and armies..
Little more important to small number of "special kind of forces' but even then pure hand to hand combat without weapons (gun/knife) is pretty much "dead"
HOWEVER the US Army special forces ARE undeniably taught a variety of physical self-defense methods, and gracie jiu-jitsu is undeniably one of those methods. just search for and look at the damned video. The marines also teach hard-core hand-to-hand combat techniques.
beyond that, we seem to have a communication breakdown.
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote and that makes you complete idiot...
You can practice Judo/jujutsu, what ever
all you want but fact remains that in modern wars unarmed combat situations are pretty much non existent., same goes pretty much for knife situations...
Modern wars are the wars that are fought these days, of course :-)
Unarmed hand to hand fighting is not common, this is nonsense of course...
These so callled "wars" you are refering in Africa etc. are not wars they are people with weapons, guns. attacking usually civilians, so you have just proved my point...
This your "Face to face" fighting is done and have always done since cavemen with weapons, now almost exclusively with guns
Some people want to ingonre facts for some od reason.
You just said it, "armed conflicts". All the modern confilcts/wars, what ever term you wan't to use for them, it dosen't matter and don't change the fact that they are done with weapons, almost exclusively guns etc. Unarmed hand to hand fighting is pretty much "dead" :-)
Dude, all wars use arms, an arm could be a knife.. No wars these days are fought with just knife's.. The reason the Samurai developed Jujitsu combat was incase they dropped or lost the weapon in combat..
To say a solider does not need hand to hand combat training is absurd. It might not happen much but it DOES happen.
Every military in the world trains in hand to hand. So if u think there's no need,your the one dude in the world that thinks so. Fact is they train hand to hand for a reason.
I didnt' say they don't need to train, all combat training have certain value. It just have to be done in modern battlefield army related context which is almost exclusively with weapons (guns), Not in one on one match context like some silly people try desperate to promote. That's just the way it is, no matter how much one tries to claim otherwise, Fact is
that battlefield army context pure hand to hand combat is pretty much non existent, in fact they always have been...
did you know that the best tools for soldiers to kill someone, in the WW wasnt a gun or a knife but their shovel? WW1 especially where people would kill others with their shovel
Look, the art of Jujitsu comes from Japan, Jujitsu meaning "The art of softness". It is a none sport Martial Art that deals in breaking and damaging your enemy. I guess at some point in history it went to Brazil and now we see all this rolling around on the ground and grown men sniffing each other's butts and armpits. There is a good reason why the Military teaches Jujitsu, for hand to hand combat.
Hence what i said about This Is Real Jujitsu" NOT butt flopping on a padded mat.
Nice way to prove your ignorance....The Military teaches Gracie Jiu Jitsu aka Brasilian Jiu Jitsu,not Japanese Ju Jitsu...next time try going deeper into the subject before you make yourself look like a complete idiot,,,
Oh wow, you must be a youngin. So in the 1940's and afterwards the Army was teaching BJJ huh? Nah, you're just an idiot. Or you're one of those butt floppers who thinks jiu jitsu is Brazilian, never mind the Japanese word jiu jitsu. These days the Army does the BJJ training but I was talking about in the beginning when the Army 1st taught had to hand combat. Judo and jiu jitsu. (Japanese Jiu Jitsu)
Fact is, BJJ is a take off of Japanese Jiu Jitsu. BJJ owes its life to UFC. Thats laughable!
Well guess what,there is this thing called evolution,mabye you heard of it?
Cars evolve,planes evolve,mobile phones evolve,tv evolves,EVERYTHING evolves..By saying the army USED to teach Japanese Ju Jitsu and now they teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu just proves my point,martial arts evolve,and Bjj is the evolution of grappling martial arts,if you can`t realise that then you are just ignorant and jelaous that your MA is not the "hit" aynmore.....to be continued....
and frankly you are not a martial artist if you bash ANY martial art....I think Bjj is the best but i NEVER even once baseh another martial art,i respect Japanese Ju Jitsu and Judo as the roots of Bjj,i respect Karate,Kung Fu hell even TKD as a martial art....and btw Bjj doesn`t owe its life to the UFC,UFC owes its life to Bjj seeing that the Gracies came up with the idea and hepled create the first ultimate fighting championship...first several UFC`s are just bigger Gracie challanges....
BJJ is no "evolution" of TJJ, it just has a different philosophy and focus which is why it focuses on groundwork. It is by no means the best neither is it worthless.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is not very much evolved, it's Judo with much of the same rules as it had in the beginning of the 20 century. The old Judo "survived" in remote Brazil when the international Judo "evolved" as an olympic sport.
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu = Kano Jiu-jitsu = Classic Judo = Original Jiu-jitsu - Deadly moves. Next time try going deeper into the subject before you make yourself look like a MMA or Gracie propaganda idiot victim.
Next time try actually stuying all three arts....Judo Bjj and JJJ...you obviously train JJJ and you OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about Judo or Bjj....Try sparring with masters of both and you will see how deadly Judo and Bjj can be.....
In case you don't want to read that cause you're afraid of knowing you're wrong, i will quote a relevant part for you: "Around 1880 Kano started rethinking the jujitsu techniques he had learned. He saw that by combining the best techniques of various schools into one system he could create a physical education program that would embody mental and physical skill. In addition, he believed that the techniques could be practiced as a competitive sport if the more dangerous techniques were omitted."
"So in 1882, having pulled from ancient jujitsu the best of its throws and grappling techniques, added some of his own, and removed such dangerous techniques as foot and hand strikes. Kano at the age of 22, presented his new sport--Judo."
And i've already said mate. BJJ and Judo are the same art, just with different enphasis (TODAY). Try doing some research on that too instead of believing on what the Gracies, "Joe Rogans" or other "truth holders" tell you.
He removed hand and foot techniques cuz they can seriously injure you even when sparring.You get hit in the head,get a concussion(sp?) or worse and you can7t train for a while....The ONLY reason why grappling is not so dangerous and lethal is cuz the user chooses it not to be.A simple neck crank or choke can be VERY lethal...armbars become armbreaks,neck cranks and spine locks become paralyzing neck breaks...And simple throws become lethal on the concrete..
There is a reason whyJudo throws better than Bjj or JJJ...cuz they focuse on it.....
There is a reason why Bjj has better ground work than Judo or JJJ...cuz they focuse on it.....
There is a reason why JJJ strikes better...cuz they focuse on it...
Saying Judo and Bjj are the same thing is ignorant and not the way of a true martial artist....
I train Bjj but i respect Karate,TKD,Judo,JJJ,Aikido;Kung Fu or any other martial art just as much as i do Bjj...Well maybe not JUST as much but stil
I think Kano Sensei removed strikes from Randori (randori is his invention) so that judoka learn to break balance without relying on a strike, it's far more complex and teaches a higher level of capability quickly.
Judoka have to be careful not to hurt each other all the time. we have an emphasis on safety,
"Ju" gentle/yielding "do" for the way eg. lifelong training.
Minota-agree with the history of Judo. The arts of judo and BJJ are very similar, and you are correct that the emphasis is placed in different places. But I'll have to respectfully disagree to them being the same art past that. Every year, people show up to BJJ tournaments with new techniques that counter last year (or month's) new moves...BJJ has been evolving (read: becoming different) to the point that i dont feel that it can be called the same any more. Just one opinion..
Seeing as how jujutsu is simply grappling, yes. I'd be surprised to find a particular school or style that practices everything in aikido around the world though.
Aminh, "waza" just means techniques. Driving a car involves waza. Henka is just a variation on one of those techniques.
Sharma,Judo has a much stronger emphasis on the throw than groundwork, thanks to the ippon rule. I understand that strikes and things like that are practiced in jujutsu schools, but it's always done in a grapping context. It's always done to support a grappling technique, and the term jujutsu has come to mean grappling, more or less.
yes, a fair argument but the strikes are used in self defence; how most jujitsu school practice. But jujitsu should mean self defence in my book because with my sensei that's exactly what we practice. But i am happy that you know about the ippon rule! most people know it's there but don't fully understand it. Nice one dude.
Exactly, just done with a slightyl different twist here adn there but as my instructor says, "its all cheesecake, different flavours but its still cheesecake"
Thank you, and well me and some of the other instructors at the club have basically borrowed most of his sayings, and phrases, But its simple easy to remember and gets the point across. So as far as I'm concerned use it to your hearts content, if it helps people to learn something, its a good thing.
Other then using the wrong word we have the same idea. I was commenting on the fact that the Gracies found part of one style and capitalized on that, not so dissimilar to what Bruce Lee and the co-creators of Jeet Kune Do did.
I apologize for a slight misunderstanding. My statement was geared toward those that say the Gracies did nothing worthwhile. I used the word created instead of using modified. The comment I posted just before was meant to convey this idea. Cont.
Hopefully people will read all the posts and realize that comments were not made out of ignorance. Made but made in the defense of Martial Arts as that, Arts.
actually they didnt change jujutsu or jujitsu or whatever stupid way you prefer to spell it, its simple helio gracie helped maeda in business, maeda taught helio judo, helio was weak , so he modified the moves of judo to take less strength and focused it on the ground 50 years later we have brazilian jiu jitsu. learn some history before millions of people see your ignorance on youtube, please.
Old picture but interesting....this is video is about 1915-1925, I think....can anyone confirm this? Techniques are still useful and effective. Can anyone clean it up a bit.....Thank you for this classic video!
The Gracies took an effective fighting style and created a very effective style that can be used by anyone willing to train and can be used against anyone, no matter the sized difference. Albeit, larger individuals will always believe they have the upper hand, most fights end on the ground and those who know how to keep their composure on the ground and work effectivley will most time have the true upperhand.
the gracies didn't create a style. (don't look that intelligent enough to me LOL) all they did was take an aspect of an already existing style (jujitsu) and focus on the specific fragment of it.
Great to see footage this old! As for those that are trashing Gracie Jujitsu, Martial arts are that, arts, not rigid forms that are unwavering in the winds of time.
Some great classical ju jitsu- Exactly the type of simple One Step Two Step stuff I like to train in- no need to do the splits or bench press 200lbs...
ummm not too effective...is useless when uke is bigger and stronger...sometimes a train person can tolerate pain..so thats issue is really important when you try to use this techniques. Thanks is a good classic video...;0)
Excellent, i studied Ju-Jutsu for 5 years in its Classical format, not the watered down bullshit that the Gracie family have polluted the world with. Its great to see some original footage, very basic techniques all the same, but thats the glory of Ju-Jutsu, its not spectacular, its not flashy, its just effective, and if the form of Ju-Jutsu people are studying is flashy and fancy, then its not proper Ju-Jutsu...
The Gracie family didn't water down Jujitsu you twit. They transformed it. You would get your ass kicked by the 8 year old grandsons of Helio Gracie. The techniques have been modified and formatted to work against much larger opponents using increased leverage and optimal strategy. You don't want to try to wrist lock a guy that is bigger than you or even one that is your size who is willing to fight you. It just won't happen if he is already aggressive.
I could be wrong. But the style is very similiar to Koden-Kan Ju-Jitsu. The hand art's their using is called Yawara. It's style hails from the early Japan days. The American Ju-Jitsu Institute teaches this style of Ju-Jitsu (The Gentle Way [Ju-meaning Gentle, Jitsu-meaning Way).
yes this is the ju jitsu im learning!! the old style ju jitsu not the ones that u mostly roll on the ground and punch and kick then, they evolved from this to brazillian jiu jitsu bcuz they couldnt use the traditional ones in sport bcuz of u dont strike first, u wait till they strike then try to find a way to make them lost balance, and do joint locks and etc. thanx for the vid
This film sequence is probably from 1919 and portrays Viking Cronholm, the first person to demonstrate and instruct jiujitsu in Sweden. Cronholm, also a skilled boxer in his day, passed away in 1961 aged 87. He continued instructing jiujitsu almost his entire life. He was posthumously awarded the degree 10th Dan by the Swedish Ju-jutsu Federation.
Thats judo but still cool.
landoftheninja 6 months ago
I appreciate seeing ground technique being utilized in any demo. The Jitsu (small circle) side of things does a good job of confronting and dealing with street attacks and the like.
netbanshee 8 months ago
1911 would have made it that much more special. LOL!
83ishgirl 9 months ago
All this just to see who washes the dishes?
DocSatori 11 months ago
Pretty damn cool!!
kevinchris 1 year ago
@ksr1219 like i said your a TOSSER, and you just proved it, as everyone who reads this thread!
ustworupforit 1 year ago
@ksr1219 just what i expected from a tosser
ustworupforit 1 year ago
@ksr1219 Akido is a sport if you want to start picking
AIKIDO Dictionary entry overview: What does aikido mean? • AIKIDO (noun)
1. a Japanese martial art employing principles similar to judo Dictionary entry details
Meaning: A Japanese martial art employing principles similar to judo
Classified under: Nouns denoting acts or actions Hypernyms ("aikido" is a kind of...):
martial art (any of several Oriental arts of weaponless self-defense; usually practiced as a sport)
ustworupforit 1 year ago
@ksr1219 Akido is NOT ju-jitsu, and there is a difference Aikido is a modified form of a number of different Japanese Jujutsu styles. Morihei Ueshiba studied jujutsu from a number a Japanese masters before opting to create a more humane method of self defense that he called Aikido, the "way of harmony."
so get you facts before you shout
ustworupforit 1 year ago
dig the jacket yank around the arms at 0:48
oneminuteworkout 1 year ago
This is aikido...
DrVoltage1 1 year ago
@DrVoltage1 aikido is next to indiscernible, in its basic movements and techniques, from traditional japanese jujitsu. Out of which it emerged.
theirresistableE 1 year ago
@theirresistableE Uhh...no its pretty discernable if you know what it is. I've studied some Japanese JJ from my 7th dan judo sensei (who is a blackbelt in 5 different arts btw). Its ALL wrist control in this which is Aiki. JJJ includes lapel throws, kicks like that knee...Shit they even created the flying armbar. Aikido is all about wrist control and clotheslines, with limited groundwork.
DrVoltage1 1 year ago
Great demostration of Real Life Defense situtations.
flashart 1 year ago
i wanna try my jujitsu in a suit!
adamjowens 1 year ago
Everything old once again is NEW!
Not new...just a new enlightenment!
kjsensei 2 years ago
Cool video! Where did you find it? What date stamp would you give it? 50s?
airbornehunter 2 years ago
lol its in the 1900's, its over easily 100 years old. Japanese jujitsu as its current form started around that time.
Exodius5040 2 years ago
@Exodius5040 jujitsu has been arownd for thousands of years...
CyBeRTRoNFLuX 1 year ago
its to choppy looking to get any good instruction from it..
bedlum47o7 2 years ago
Damn, YT stole some of my comments. Too busy to repost now.
MinotaJJ 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
it is hapkido
Desconhecido150 2 years ago
you can run out of bullets, you dont run out of fists. you train in case the fight does happen, not in case it doesnt and you train to be able to fight the biggest baddest motherfucker out there. discussion over
shinkengatsxa 2 years ago 26
@shinkengatsxa again your right yet...u should train for peace of mind knowing u know what to do puts u at peace so u dont worry, u train to learn about life not to "Kick ass" as sooo many of us americans think... but yes i guess in a sense u r right
kitchenknifeset 1 year ago
@shinkengatsxa I completely agree. Plus some folks don't realize that in order for a gun to work, you have to have it out and ready. Now unless you walk around with the gun cocked and ready, one could be surprised and unable to take out the gun from the holster, pocket, etc. But you always have your hands and feet with you. :-)
Which is not to downgrade the value of firearms for self defense, particularly home defense. It's just that having additional options is always valuable.
sabinoson 4 months ago
In house to house sweeps of area's, buy troops in Iraq , im sure would have face to face encounters.
Now im not saying this would always lead to hand to hand combat BUT. If we had a huge WW3 it would become very common for hand to hand combat to occur on the battlefeild.
You cant win a war without troops on the ground , and you'd be mad not to prepare for hand to hand combat . They train it for a reason
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
reason they train for it is for fighting spirit and mental toughness.
percentage of actually hand to hand is very very very low.
US instructors even say so in their video
RavenFlex 2 years ago
I realize that it might not happen much at all. The old saying goes"never say never".
What your saying is like saying they train bus drivers in trucks for mental toughness and driving spirit.
They train it for a purpose folks, to be able to call upon skills they have learnt in the case of a hand to hand/ face to face combat situation.
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
sseriously I'm not lying I'll try to find the vid for you. The instructor even said. "We're not going to win wars by doing BJJ or locks and stuff" "The winner is the guy who's buddy comes to help him with a gun"
Urban combat they'll have a greater chance to use it. But it's still ridcilously low. Soldiers will fight amongst themselves hand to hand then the enemy.
RavenFlex 2 years ago
I believe you.
Its just when people say there no need for hand to hand combat training in the armed forces,i must disagree..
Once u get into bigger scale wars like WW2 it will become more common.They had bayonets on the guns for a reason..
My grandmaster fought for the french resistance in WW2 and would walk up to check points unarmed dressed in civilian clothes.The nazi's would ask for papers and then the group would attack the check point and kill the nazi's with their bare hands/Jujitsu.
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
Both of you make valid points. Their is a reason for soldiers to train in martials arts, its the reason why it was created. To prepare and develop the soldiers to fight battles, by developing their mind,body and soul. However, the martials arts they practice and the reality of the field are different scale, and in our modern times, people will mostly likely have a gun which make the use martials arts lessen. But for commandos, hand killing techniques that make barely no sound is needed.
Exodius5040 2 years ago
This looks more like Aikido to me.
uuumdm 3 years ago
Aikido came directly from Jujitsu
wickedg 3 years ago
Good point. Thanks for reminding me. It's actually Aikki Jiu-Jutsu which came directly from Jiu-Jutsu. So not DIRECTLY per-se but I still should have remembered that.
uuumdm 3 years ago
This is Viking Cronholm who braught ju jitsu to Sweden 100 years ago
carljohan61 3 years ago
I hope that you jju fans all know that this is a demo. Way before mma and bjj. Probably before judo. Orginal ju jitsu would of been like punching, kicking, and grappling but not rolling on the ground due to the fact it came from japanesse samurai that fought on the battle ground. Not too much rollin around back then.
RDraGon2179 3 years ago
stand-up... ground.... its all jujutsu gentlemen no need to fight about self-defense vs. MMA.... The techniques are a framework and a template for application. It comes down to the user as far as effectiveness goes. The fighter himself decides what technique at what time to use. Train hard and smart, that is the best you can ask for.
Jujutsu4U2Cdirt 3 years ago
I love their uniforms
kaishakunin2099 3 years ago
im sure these guys are good, but they would get their ass kicked in an MMA fight
jpm7018 3 years ago
This is real Ju-Jitsu not that rolling around on the ground sniffing each others armpits and crotches stuff like u see in MMA. Watch these moves really close and you can see most are deadly moves are are designed to kill or cripple your opponent. Not designed for a friendly MMA fight where one can tap out and have a cup of tea.
texoma123 3 years ago
Real ju jitsu, you mean practice ju jitsu i let you throw me then you let me throw you, no real struggle , I tell you to grab me with your right hand no not left alright now you do this and i do that. meet on street or on the map it a like that bro it a whole nother ball game. your will vs mine, winner takes all
jpm7018 3 years ago
another 22yr old kid who watched afew UFC dvds and took afew MMA/BJJ classes and thinks he's all that. How typical. "your will vs mine" what a laugh.
deadlines 3 years ago
deadline you must be some type of jujitsu expert yourself. Are you mad because I insulted you training methods that are 100% in your favor, or that you training partner is so used to be thrown on the ground that he dosent even need help, he can fall on his own. Ive seen it happen way to much. Just because you fall on the ground for some dosent make you a good at jujitsu,so laugh all you want
jpm7018 3 years ago
Deadline has you spot on.
"Martial arts don't work unless they've been used by two enormous guys to (almost) beat the shit out of each other for 8 minutes."
Why aren't the special forces taught MMA?
Porce1ain 3 years ago
Porce1ain, "Why aren't the special forces taught MMA?"
they are taught mma. please look up the video "army rangers training gracie jiu-jitsu"
KataVideo 2 years ago
Most ridiculos question in the world, becasue wars are fought with weapons, always have and always will be
Teaching pure sport MMA is of course stupid and dangeours and have good change to get you killed faster if we are talking about actual life and death situations..
fasima 2 years ago
fasima, you're wrong. please reread my comment and look up the youtube video "army rangers training gracie jiu-jitsu"
they're not trained 'sport" mma
KataVideo 2 years ago
test
tetratum 2 years ago
They are clearly in video doing very sport type fthing in that video, no regards to battlefield situation = weapons/knife/guns/other people, at least in that video.
I have no doupt they address that, they have to since they are soldiers and if their Gracie stuff wouldn't address that fact it would be suicidal and idiotic. It's war not 1on1 homor match. Any number of people can teach that just well (non MMA/jujutsu included).
fasima 2 years ago
Plus the simple fact is, wars are fought with weapons and very vey few incidents in modern war happen due hand to hand without weapons of any kind combat. Very little value except of course fitness/mental etc. if we rare talking about modern wars and armies..
Little more important to small number of "special kind of forces' but even then pure hand to hand combat without weapons (gun/knife) is pretty much "dead"
fasima 2 years ago
Fasima, Okay, you got your views.
HOWEVER the US Army special forces ARE undeniably taught a variety of physical self-defense methods, and gracie jiu-jitsu is undeniably one of those methods. just search for and look at the damned video. The marines also teach hard-core hand-to-hand combat techniques.
beyond that, we seem to have a communication breakdown.
KataVideo 2 years ago
watched the video, no 'communication breakdwon'. between us :-).
Just stated simple truths about modern battlefield warfare, that's all.
Cheers
fasima 2 years ago
alotta elite force's in WW2 training in Kano Judo/Jujitsu.. The dutch(who had been in japan for years before the war) introduced it to the British..
Have a look at Russian Combat Sambo.. Its based of Judo/Jujitsu.. Yes they use guns also, just like a Samurai(were judo came from) used swords.
If u think there isn't face to face combat in modern war, your a complete idiot
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote and that makes you complete idiot...
You can practice Judo/jujutsu, what ever
all you want but fact remains that in modern wars unarmed combat situations are pretty much non existent., same goes pretty much for knife situations...
fasima 2 years ago
What do u class modern warfare??Ok ok shouldn't have put idiot in there,,lets be nice but discuss this point.
Look at Africa.. Plenty of war, My Sudanese mate was a child solider , so knows war better than any of us,, and yes they train in hand to hand .
If u are talking about the U.S , yeah u maybe be right.Tho they still train for it.
When it comes to eastern Europe , Africa or World wars.. Hand to hand / face to face is common.
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
Modern wars are the wars that are fought these days, of course :-)
Unarmed hand to hand fighting is not common, this is nonsense of course...
These so callled "wars" you are refering in Africa etc. are not wars they are people with weapons, guns. attacking usually civilians, so you have just proved my point...
This your "Face to face" fighting is done and have always done since cavemen with weapons, now almost exclusively with guns
Some people want to ingonre facts for some od reason.
fasima 2 years ago
Define war.. War on terrorism, war on drugs.
To call the wide spread armed conflicts in Africa"not war's" is on the edge of insanity .
This in not way proves your point . You were saying how they don't use arm to arm combat in modern war, nothing about civilians attacking civilians .
These Tribal and International "WARS" in Africa and in eastern Europe are real wars and for u to say not kinda arrogant.
The war in SUDAN has lasted over 20 Arab VS christian, north vs south,.......
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
You just said it, "armed conflicts". All the modern confilcts/wars, what ever term you wan't to use for them, it dosen't matter and don't change the fact that they are done with weapons, almost exclusively guns etc. Unarmed hand to hand fighting is pretty much "dead" :-)
in modern battlefield wars/conflicts.
It's about guns,guns, weapons my friend... :-)
fasima 2 years ago
Dude, all wars use arms, an arm could be a knife.. No wars these days are fought with just knife's.. The reason the Samurai developed Jujitsu combat was incase they dropped or lost the weapon in combat..
To say a solider does not need hand to hand combat training is absurd. It might not happen much but it DOES happen.
Every military in the world trains in hand to hand. So if u think there's no need,your the one dude in the world that thinks so. Fact is they train hand to hand for a reason.
SudoJudo1 2 years ago 2
I didnt' say they don't need to train, all combat training have certain value. It just have to be done in modern battlefield army related context which is almost exclusively with weapons (guns), Not in one on one match context like some silly people try desperate to promote. That's just the way it is, no matter how much one tries to claim otherwise, Fact is
that battlefield army context pure hand to hand combat is pretty much non existent, in fact they always have been...
fasima 2 years ago
Obviously Fasima hasn't served in the military.
mmaextreme 2 years ago
did you know that the best tools for soldiers to kill someone, in the WW wasnt a gun or a knife but their shovel? WW1 especially where people would kill others with their shovel
Exodius5040 2 years ago
Look, the art of Jujitsu comes from Japan, Jujitsu meaning "The art of softness". It is a none sport Martial Art that deals in breaking and damaging your enemy. I guess at some point in history it went to Brazil and now we see all this rolling around on the ground and grown men sniffing each other's butts and armpits. There is a good reason why the Military teaches Jujitsu, for hand to hand combat.
Hence what i said about This Is Real Jujitsu" NOT butt flopping on a padded mat.
texoma123 3 years ago
"texoma123"
Nice way to prove your ignorance....The Military teaches Gracie Jiu Jitsu aka Brasilian Jiu Jitsu,not Japanese Ju Jitsu...next time try going deeper into the subject before you make yourself look like a complete idiot,,,
znjfl 2 years ago
Oh wow, you must be a youngin. So in the 1940's and afterwards the Army was teaching BJJ huh? Nah, you're just an idiot. Or you're one of those butt floppers who thinks jiu jitsu is Brazilian, never mind the Japanese word jiu jitsu. These days the Army does the BJJ training but I was talking about in the beginning when the Army 1st taught had to hand combat. Judo and jiu jitsu. (Japanese Jiu Jitsu)
Fact is, BJJ is a take off of Japanese Jiu Jitsu. BJJ owes its life to UFC. Thats laughable!
texoma123 2 years ago
Well guess what,there is this thing called evolution,mabye you heard of it?
Cars evolve,planes evolve,mobile phones evolve,tv evolves,EVERYTHING evolves..By saying the army USED to teach Japanese Ju Jitsu and now they teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu just proves my point,martial arts evolve,and Bjj is the evolution of grappling martial arts,if you can`t realise that then you are just ignorant and jelaous that your MA is not the "hit" aynmore.....to be continued....
znjfl 2 years ago
and frankly you are not a martial artist if you bash ANY martial art....I think Bjj is the best but i NEVER even once baseh another martial art,i respect Japanese Ju Jitsu and Judo as the roots of Bjj,i respect Karate,Kung Fu hell even TKD as a martial art....and btw Bjj doesn`t owe its life to the UFC,UFC owes its life to Bjj seeing that the Gracies came up with the idea and hepled create the first ultimate fighting championship...first several UFC`s are just bigger Gracie challanges....
znjfl 2 years ago
"There is nothing new under the sun"
BJJ is no "evolution" of TJJ, it just has a different philosophy and focus which is why it focuses on groundwork. It is by no means the best neither is it worthless.
term02 2 years ago
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is not very much evolved, it's Judo with much of the same rules as it had in the beginning of the 20 century. The old Judo "survived" in remote Brazil when the international Judo "evolved" as an olympic sport.
birlisa1 2 years ago
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu = Kano Jiu-jitsu = Classic Judo = Original Jiu-jitsu - Deadly moves. Next time try going deeper into the subject before you make yourself look like a MMA or Gracie propaganda idiot victim.
MinotaJJ 2 years ago
Next time try actually stuying all three arts....Judo Bjj and JJJ...you obviously train JJJ and you OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about Judo or Bjj....Try sparring with masters of both and you will see how deadly Judo and Bjj can be.....
znjfl 2 years ago
In case you don't want to read that cause you're afraid of knowing you're wrong, i will quote a relevant part for you: "Around 1880 Kano started rethinking the jujitsu techniques he had learned. He saw that by combining the best techniques of various schools into one system he could create a physical education program that would embody mental and physical skill. In addition, he believed that the techniques could be practiced as a competitive sport if the more dangerous techniques were omitted."
MinotaJJ 2 years ago
"So in 1882, having pulled from ancient jujitsu the best of its throws and grappling techniques, added some of his own, and removed such dangerous techniques as foot and hand strikes. Kano at the age of 22, presented his new sport--Judo."
MinotaJJ 2 years ago
And i've already said mate. BJJ and Judo are the same art, just with different enphasis (TODAY). Try doing some research on that too instead of believing on what the Gracies, "Joe Rogans" or other "truth holders" tell you.
MinotaJJ 2 years ago
"MinotaJJ"
All those are good facts but the way you see them is wrong.....I will try to explain...
znjfl 2 years ago
He removed hand and foot techniques cuz they can seriously injure you even when sparring.You get hit in the head,get a concussion(sp?) or worse and you can7t train for a while....The ONLY reason why grappling is not so dangerous and lethal is cuz the user chooses it not to be.A simple neck crank or choke can be VERY lethal...armbars become armbreaks,neck cranks and spine locks become paralyzing neck breaks...And simple throws become lethal on the concrete..
znjfl 2 years ago
There is a reason whyJudo throws better than Bjj or JJJ...cuz they focuse on it.....
There is a reason why Bjj has better ground work than Judo or JJJ...cuz they focuse on it.....
There is a reason why JJJ strikes better...cuz they focuse on it...
Saying Judo and Bjj are the same thing is ignorant and not the way of a true martial artist....
I train Bjj but i respect Karate,TKD,Judo,JJJ,Aikido;Kung Fu or any other martial art just as much as i do Bjj...Well maybe not JUST as much but stil
znjfl 2 years ago
do you respect yellow bamboo? :)
gords12345 2 years ago
Ofcourse,and banana trees,coconuts,apples,pears and the whole fruitcake :)
Just to be known on the side,i was serious about the MA`s :)
znjfl 2 years ago
@znjfl Saying Judo has the best throws is ignorant too.
TheKaamos123 1 year ago
I think Kano Sensei removed strikes from Randori (randori is his invention) so that judoka learn to break balance without relying on a strike, it's far more complex and teaches a higher level of capability quickly.
Judoka have to be careful not to hurt each other all the time. we have an emphasis on safety,
"Ju" gentle/yielding "do" for the way eg. lifelong training.
chchjudoschool 1 year ago
@chchjudoschool hmm....i was not aware that violent throws, arm bars and chokes where concidered "gentle"....lol
CyBeRTRoNFLuX 1 year ago
Minota-agree with the history of Judo. The arts of judo and BJJ are very similar, and you are correct that the emphasis is placed in different places. But I'll have to respectfully disagree to them being the same art past that. Every year, people show up to BJJ tournaments with new techniques that counter last year (or month's) new moves...BJJ has been evolving (read: becoming different) to the point that i dont feel that it can be called the same any more. Just one opinion..
SepticX 2 years ago
whatever
GJJalltheway 3 years ago
Viking Cronholm. A swedish guy. He ended up getting 9 Dan. ( 10 Dan After his death).
banjop84 3 years ago
My grandfathers ;P
KhakiMoro 3 years ago
take that ruffian
someguy6481 3 years ago
Anyone know if this is Sensei Bart?
kobudo4 3 years ago
love it. Man has always had a hunger to learn how to fight better.
aalberto3750 3 years ago
Old school matrix!
pawsmoxy 3 years ago
hontai - yoshin ryu?
EishinRyu 3 years ago
It is aikido, no jiu-jitsu
alexploduhhin 3 years ago
all aikido moves are in jiu-jitsu too.
Hondenmoller 3 years ago 6
Is that so?
Cornampoo 3 years ago
does akido have waza or hanka
aminh9 3 years ago
Seeing as how jujutsu is simply grappling, yes. I'd be surprised to find a particular school or style that practices everything in aikido around the world though.
JinsukeHP 3 years ago
thats bullshit, it also contains throws locks etc. judo is more grappling
sharmaboi 3 years ago
Aminh, "waza" just means techniques. Driving a car involves waza. Henka is just a variation on one of those techniques.
Sharma,Judo has a much stronger emphasis on the throw than groundwork, thanks to the ippon rule. I understand that strikes and things like that are practiced in jujutsu schools, but it's always done in a grapping context. It's always done to support a grappling technique, and the term jujutsu has come to mean grappling, more or less.
JinsukeHP 3 years ago
yes, a fair argument but the strikes are used in self defence; how most jujitsu school practice. But jujitsu should mean self defence in my book because with my sensei that's exactly what we practice. But i am happy that you know about the ippon rule! most people know it's there but don't fully understand it. Nice one dude.
sharmaboi 3 years ago
Exactly, just done with a slightyl different twist here adn there but as my instructor says, "its all cheesecake, different flavours but its still cheesecake"
tgnrogue 2 years ago 6
I like your instructors saying. Hope you don't mind if I use it with my students. Really puts things into prospective.
gentlegiant6585 2 years ago
Thank you, and well me and some of the other instructors at the club have basically borrowed most of his sayings, and phrases, But its simple easy to remember and gets the point across. So as far as I'm concerned use it to your hearts content, if it helps people to learn something, its a good thing.
tgnrogue 2 years ago
@tgnrogue Is your instructor by any chance a Brazilian lol? They always have wierd sayings haha.
kevinchris 1 year ago
@kevinchris Nope, but he is Scottish and they are just as bad lol.
tgnrogue 1 year ago
Charly Chaplin meets Bruce Lee
DocLoony 3 years ago 13
@DocLoony
Charly Chaplin, and Buster Keaton were talanted acrobats.
Some of their older films show them taking some big falls and getting back up again safely. Perhaps they were Judo ists...?
Jackie Chan always said He wanted to be 'Half Bruce Lee, Half Charly Chaplin'
in his movies.
flashart 1 year ago
o yea like any one can see that!!!
bxavila 3 years ago 2
fuck the kimono when you got a tie
randomKNIGHTofNI 3 years ago
not kimono but keikogi
fortuna86 3 years ago
yep serious old sckool no f--king around !!!..
ravenchildxxx 4 years ago
holy cow, these guys are doing this in suites!
pkrska 4 years ago
What does the hotel room they're in have to do with anything?
Idiedintothe 4 years ago 3
lol
atepope2 3 years ago
that was prety cool !
Myles75 4 years ago
Other then using the wrong word we have the same idea. I was commenting on the fact that the Gracies found part of one style and capitalized on that, not so dissimilar to what Bruce Lee and the co-creators of Jeet Kune Do did.
vaatc 4 years ago 2
I apologize for a slight misunderstanding. My statement was geared toward those that say the Gracies did nothing worthwhile. I used the word created instead of using modified. The comment I posted just before was meant to convey this idea. Cont.
vaatc 4 years ago
Hopefully people will read all the posts and realize that comments were not made out of ignorance. Made but made in the defense of Martial Arts as that, Arts.
vaatc 4 years ago
actually they didnt change jujutsu or jujitsu or whatever stupid way you prefer to spell it, its simple helio gracie helped maeda in business, maeda taught helio judo, helio was weak , so he modified the moves of judo to take less strength and focused it on the ground 50 years later we have brazilian jiu jitsu. learn some history before millions of people see your ignorance on youtube, please.
matwizard 4 years ago
nice try, but you are wrong.research fusen-ryu and kosen judo before you embarass yourself with your half-assed knowledge of martial arts.
kilrkane 4 years ago
ou have got to be kidding me, what do i look like fucking wikipedia? im not gonna write a novel just the important facts,.. dumbass.
matwizard 3 years ago
Old picture but interesting....this is video is about 1915-1925, I think....can anyone confirm this? Techniques are still useful and effective. Can anyone clean it up a bit.....Thank you for this classic video!
oui007 4 years ago
The Gracies took an effective fighting style and created a very effective style that can be used by anyone willing to train and can be used against anyone, no matter the sized difference. Albeit, larger individuals will always believe they have the upper hand, most fights end on the ground and those who know how to keep their composure on the ground and work effectivley will most time have the true upperhand.
vaatc 4 years ago
Gracies isnt more effective than Jujutsu, it's just an other variation.
mojushai 4 years ago
the gracies didn't create a style. (don't look that intelligent enough to me LOL) all they did was take an aspect of an already existing style (jujitsu) and focus on the specific fragment of it.
PeaceTLC 4 years ago
Great to see footage this old! As for those that are trashing Gracie Jujitsu, Martial arts are that, arts, not rigid forms that are unwavering in the winds of time.
vaatc 4 years ago
Hapkido! Basically self defense judo, karate, and pressure points into one.
DEdge1221 4 years ago
Some great classical ju jitsu- Exactly the type of simple One Step Two Step stuff I like to train in- no need to do the splits or bench press 200lbs...
Just a shame someone can't clean it up a bit.
flashart 4 years ago
I see a bunch of pixels attacking another bunch of pixels. Could this video be any more grainy?
KillerSalmon 4 years ago
ummm not too effective...is useless when uke is bigger and stronger...sometimes a train person can tolerate pain..so thats issue is really important when you try to use this techniques. Thanks is a good classic video...;0)
fellerbuncher 4 years ago
hard to see much but im glad im taking dzr, a modified and imo more effective.
mafrek 4 years ago
Excellent, i studied Ju-Jutsu for 5 years in its Classical format, not the watered down bullshit that the Gracie family have polluted the world with. Its great to see some original footage, very basic techniques all the same, but thats the glory of Ju-Jutsu, its not spectacular, its not flashy, its just effective, and if the form of Ju-Jutsu people are studying is flashy and fancy, then its not proper Ju-Jutsu...
ronanhalpenny 5 years ago
The Gracie family didn't water down Jujitsu you twit. They transformed it. You would get your ass kicked by the 8 year old grandsons of Helio Gracie. The techniques have been modified and formatted to work against much larger opponents using increased leverage and optimal strategy. You don't want to try to wrist lock a guy that is bigger than you or even one that is your size who is willing to fight you. It just won't happen if he is already aggressive.
ssnow05 4 years ago
amen.. nicely said
dannyp2u 4 years ago
Kind of bitter aren't we? Your comments are rather ignorant and, seem to be based on jealously.
MrPotatoesLatkie 4 years ago
aff, is not ju jitsu but
IS KUNG FU CHIN-NA (QIN-NA)
Andherson 5 years ago
This is ju jitsu. If some moves are in your form of kung fu too then good for you.
apollyon1 5 years ago
That is some real CRAP. Somebody made that up!
soutinge 5 years ago
Interesting from an historical prospective but hard to watch because of poor image quality.
bikerbuoy21 5 years ago
I could be wrong. But the style is very similiar to Koden-Kan Ju-Jitsu. The hand art's their using is called Yawara. It's style hails from the early Japan days. The American Ju-Jitsu Institute teaches this style of Ju-Jitsu (The Gentle Way [Ju-meaning Gentle, Jitsu-meaning Way).
bluepassions83 5 years ago
Does not 'do' mean 'way', whilst 'jutsu' or 'jitsu' means 'technique'?
MrGung 5 years ago
Do you know what this technique is called?
Leo90 5 years ago
realy laim
Singtrivium 5 years ago
Great! Can anybody give me more information about the clip
GregorKo 5 years ago
yes this is the ju jitsu im learning!! the old style ju jitsu not the ones that u mostly roll on the ground and punch and kick then, they evolved from this to brazillian jiu jitsu bcuz they couldnt use the traditional ones in sport bcuz of u dont strike first, u wait till they strike then try to find a way to make them lost balance, and do joint locks and etc. thanx for the vid
edskelington26 5 years ago
you're the biggest fucking idiot ever. don't talk unless you know what you're talking about.
supinator 5 years ago
This film sequence is probably from 1919 and portrays Viking Cronholm, the first person to demonstrate and instruct jiujitsu in Sweden. Cronholm, also a skilled boxer in his day, passed away in 1961 aged 87. He continued instructing jiujitsu almost his entire life. He was posthumously awarded the degree 10th Dan by the Swedish Ju-jutsu Federation.
FredrikEkman 5 years ago 2
do you know what school he knew?
mafrek 4 years ago
do you know where it is from? or why they are doing it?
it would be cool to know about it.
ioriyagami 5 years ago
this is obviously old, old footage. thanks for posting this!
t01880 5 years ago
Nice stuff, i like their uniforms
brutaltiger 5 years ago
extremely sucky quality.. too bad..:(
Deathwinter 5 years ago