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  • It was also around this time that his rivalry with Batman recieved a big push, with Batman being the darker and more morally ambiguous side of heroism compared to Superman's boy scout antics. If you think about it the modern version of Batman is a great complement to golden age Superman. Batman is a rich upperclass man who uses his wealth to fight crime, while Superman is a working class man who uses his inherent abilities to fight social injustice.

  • The sad thing about Superman is in his early years he actually had a motivation beyond simple goodness. He was a working class citizen who fought for the little guy. He wasn't just fighting aliens or giant robots, he was fighting corruption and campaigning for equality. Its interesting that decades after this approach was abandoned his arch-nemesis was redefined as the epitome of big business...

  • Just wondering, what version of the film did you watch?

  • Thanks for giving high praise to Gene Hackman here. His performance is a spectacular one, and as a comic book fan I can tell you that Lex Luthor from THAT era is comical as well as sinister.

  • "Flops around like a bitch"???

    That's funny, I'd like to see Matthew try swimming in a pool with a chunk of radioactive rock around his neck. Let's see how far he gets. Does anyone know when adult swim begins?

  • @linkmeup2003 Hey now, I actually did that in 2002!

  • if you enjoy the writting of this Movie then youll enjoy Godfather Part I & II, Mario Puzo wrote all three films (Godfather 1 & 2 & superman: the Movie)

    So get off your ass and watch the Godfather Part I & II. Never see part III

  • @AutomatedCritic thats not a recommendation for a video mind you it simply part of your requirement as fan of movies. To not see Godfather I & II is like hearing someone say they've never seen the Wizard of OZ or never read a Dr Seuss book.

  • @AutomatedCritic and no the godfathers saga does not have the level of humor then this film does if thats what your asking yourself

  • Well done Mathew. I am excited to find out what you think of Being John Malkovich on your "to do" list. 

  • I will rebut your comment that Superman, who is doing good just to be good, is not relatable. That's a very poorly chosen and honestly stupid word to use. Relatable? You're saying no one can relate to the idea of just wanting to good because we can? You're saying that we are all so innately evil that no one would ever want to do something good because we care about the world?

    And worse yet by juxtaposition you're saying everyone DOES relate to doing good because our parents were murdered.

  • I'm not sending hate mail. Superman, as a character, is dumb.

    Some of my super-loving friends argue that he has unparalleled potential as a character with the deep and resounding power he holds over the world. Well, when someone writes a story that actually taps into that, let me know. Until then we just have miles of dumb stories of a poorly designed character.

  • I cannot understand why people have a problem with someone being a good person. Yeah, you call them a boyscout or other derogatory terms.

    Unless you are evil, why do you have a problem with good? Why do you enjoy seeing people do things that are wrong? Why does someone who is actually a good person offend you so much that you feel the need to attack them?

    After reading all these comments, I'm reluctant to even watch the review. My respect for CM may nosedive if he thinks being good is bad.

  • @trlkly PS This is not something about which I believe good and intelligent people can disagree. Either being a good person is a good thing, or it's a bad thing. This isn't opinion based, this is a fundamental aspect of morality.

    Please someone tell me that CM doesn't take the piss out of Superman for actually being a decent person. Because I have never met someone who made fun of good people who was not themselves a rather shitty person.

  • @trlkly He doesn't really take the piss out of him for being good. Supes isn't for everyone and CM acknowledges that he isn't really a fan. I think the biggest issue is that writers have no idea how to write superman. They try so hard to make him come across as iconic in movies when what they should be doing is trying to humanize him. His flaws are what make him relatable not his superpowers.

  • @trlkly I think the main argument against "good guys" is that they dont cause enough drama and they aren't as edgy. We like to see our heroes do things that we can't do, like beat up the bad guy, because in our mind that bad guy represents a bad guy we dislike and we live through our hero. Most human beings aren't saints so its difficult for them to relate to someone who comes across as one. Also edgy character make more mistakes which makes more drama.

  • @confusedmatthew So I found your real profile on Facebook the other day, and I looked at your cover photo of you from like high school, and I have to say, you looked a lot like James Franco.

  • i never liked superman much myself either. give a guy every single power you can think of and just slap the label "superman" on him. does anyone see how cheap that is? anyone could have thought of that.

  • Boy, you fucked up by saying REEVES instead of REEVE. There went your credibility... again.

  • The early parts on Krypton and in Smallville are awesome. Once we get to him being Superman and leading the double life as Clark Kent, though, things get a little less interesting. Lex Luthor figuring out Supe's weakness is so random and it happens way too fast, the existence of Ned Beatty's character is an insult to my intelligence, and the ending flat out sucks. Superman: The Movie is good, but not great.

  • Look at me, quivering. Like a little boy, excited to see another Confused Mathew review. Shivering. He can see right through the plot holes. Live a quivering shivering movie god. Sometimes we disagree so much I want to choke him until his eyes bleed... but somehow I always keep coming back, like a little boy going back to... the... shivering. Something. Erm... Ron Paul 2012.

  • When you mentioned female leads behaving like men, I couldn't help but think of Rainbow Dash!

  • @buc555 all the females in that show are strong, Rainbow Dash is tom boy as well as that not because of it

  • @255ad That character really should be male if you ask me, AJ as well.

  • @buc555 I thought she was a boy in the first episode, the all have be girls because of the tie in toys..... that and and gender based tokenism only works the one way, we all had to put up with Webby but for god sake don't impose male characters on a female demographic

  • ...And I don't think Luthor is that off from the comix. He's still embodies the darkest side of capitalism. It's just that Hackman makes him more entertaining. That's just what Hackman does.

  • I'm a big Superman the Movie enthusiast, so I wish that I could disagree with most of your negative comments... but I can't. But I do think that the relatable connection to Superman is that he *is* just anyone with superpowers. Anyone can be capable of that degree of character, and the fact that he's still just a regular, Middle-American guy - even with super powers, is the interesting element to his character. He doesn't have to answer to anyone, yet makes himself responsible to everone.

  • @ralphyetmore I think there's a difference between an every man and a character who could be any one, an every man has well defined character traits just ones that are very common, a character who could be any one is basically a blank slate

    personally I think with supper man's powers doing the right thing would be so easy that any body could and would

  • @255ad Yeah. I can't disagree with that. But doesn't he have those afore-mentioned common traits? His character seems to achieve that character definition of loyalty to parents, understanding the difference between using an ability and flaunting it, etc. I don't think that Superman's character is a blank slate, as it is just *excruciatingly* average-guy. Maybe that just comes off as too dull.

  • Superman is a man that is placed in near godhood (depending on what franchise), with absolute power. He can be seen as the antithesis of Dr. Manhattan. He is the hope that absolute power doesn’t corrupt absolutely, and can see the bright side and value of humanity. Batmans dark costume is a symbol directed towards criminals, Supermans bright costume is a symbol directed towards the masses and ‘powerless’.

    No hate here, just pity for the ignorance.

  • @DimmedDiamond "No hate here, just pity for the ignorance" that's worse it's far more arrogant

  • @DimmedDiamond you see CM sort of addressed that with his any "any idiot can save the world with his powers" line, power corrupts because people with power chose the easy immoral way out when faced with a dilemma and then escalate from there, supper man is so powerful that he can always use his powers to get around any problem (at least in this film)

    P.S frankly I would have thought the same about Dr. Manhattan, his problem was indifference not corruption

  • @255ad Manhattan openly murdered entire populations for his country. He grew indifferent to humanity because they were so beneath him. Superman, despite his god status won't do "any means necessary" to see through his moral compass or duties, and he doesn't allow himself to see humanity as bickering ants. It would be easy to impose a dictatorial society with no crime, no littering, no choice. or to see humanity as ants and not care one way or the other.

  • @DimmedDiamond

    "Manhattan openly murdered entire populations for his country" it was a war to be faith but still that annoyed because I didn't understand why he couldn't just harmlessly stop the Viet Cong without hurting them, that's my point both supper man and Dr Manhattan's powers are so grate that their never really faced with a dilemma they can't use their powers to get around in a moral way

    "bickering ants" Dr Manhattan thought that because he was so smart not so powerful

  • Uh, you Batman fanboys. I just don't get what you see in that fag. I feel the exact opposite Matthew.

    Superman "floating there like a little bitch" is precisely the times when Superman really is Superman. Stripped of his powers, we really see who he is, how he sticks to his principles, and still manages to prevail.

    In this movie it seems more like how James Bond turns the chicks against the bad guys, but also his reputation for truth means MIss Tessmacher knows she can rely on him 100%.

  • @IRONMANAustralia The Batman franchise is better because Batman has the best villains, by a long shot.

  • @videogamenostalgia Bullshit.

    It's almost as if Aquaman was invented so Batman wouldn't have to suffer the embarassment of being the lamest character on Superfriends. Because if he wasn't, I guarantee you all those Aquaman jokes would be about Batman.

    "World emergency! To the Bat-copter Boy-wonder!"

    "Oh don't bother Bruce. Me, Green Lantern and the Flash already fixed it using our speed and you know - real powers. How did you guys propose to fly a helicopter to Japan in time anyway?"

  • @IRONMANAustralia "I just don't get what you see in that fag." Well, he is dark, complex character, man who is simultaneously genius and crazy man. He is tragic character - some people claim that he himself indirectly created, many of Arkham's inmates, that he is root of evil, that he sworn to fight against. He had many personal tragedies but he never gives up. Also like irony of turning fear against those who prey on the fearful.

  • @1701EarlGrey Yeah that's pretty much the standard answer, "He's dark and complex, blah, blah", pretty much why teenage girls like vampires.

    If you want to get philosophic, the recurring issue Superman has is that he's so powerful he could not only be a dictator if he were bad, but as a good guy has to continuously make that choice not to be a benevolent dictator.

    Like how on Star Trek the Prime Directive means they follow the laws of primitives they could easily blast the shit out of.

  • Also Matthew's argument about superpowers attached to 'some guy' is literally true of GreenLantern. I used to hate that character because cosmic level powers are boring and their limitations ill-defined. The "force of will" thing is the only thing he has going for him.

    But Superman has for the most part well-defined powers and limitations. Batman on the other hand pulls shit out his arse, whether it's Adam West Bat-shark-repellant, or Bale getting a conveniently equipped car from Lucious Fox.

  • And this is coming from someone who is a huge IRON MAN fan. Tony Stark is doing the billionaire tech superhero right. Batman is DOING IT WRONG in every way possible.

    When he's not Bruce Wayne the boyscout, (look at his bleeding-heart BS about Gotham), he's Batman the brooding sulky little bitch. Tony Stark has generally good intentions but is flawed to the core, tackling real problems, with a riveting propensity for collateral property damage.

    Oh, and doesn't have a thing for young boys.

  • Not to mention IRON MAN laughs in the face of Batman needing "preperation time".

    Tony Stark doesn't have to have everything figured out prior. He just makes cool shit, then goes in balls-an-all and jury rigs solutions on the spot. Someone else could wear the suit, but only Tony Stark can use it the way IRON MAN does. He understands every molecule of it, knows how far he can push it, and thus extracts its full potential more than any other tech-enhanced mortal every could.

  • @IRONMANAustralia the game goes for batman and batman's gadgets, "preperation time" is wise even if you probably could figure stuff out in the field

  • On-the-fly genius-level creativity is IRON MAN's superpower. Batman's is BS pull-shit-out-of-your-arse with unlikely retrospective preparation that even Bill and Ted would find implausible. By my calculations Batman would have to have been alive since 2000BC in order to have prepared for all the shit he turned out to be prepared for.

    Even in the new films the little he does is crushed under the weight of the personal preparation required.

    Most uneconomical superhero ever.

  • @IRONMANAustralia

    "Batman on the other hand pulls shit out his arse" that's far less less prevalent in the new films

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  • @1701EarlGrey But that's just my point. Maybe any "moron with those powers could save the world", but few people could handle that kind of power without becoming a tyrannical prick or otherwise misusing them. That's what's super about Superman and why the connection with truth, justice, and yes American ideals like liberty, etc.

  • His demigod status doesn't make him less relatable. When he's facing a situation like Doomsday, he's essentially a regular guy because he's facing an on-par threat. But he's alone because nobody else on Earth can do it, and nobody can help him. And everyone's relying on him, from Lois on down.

    It's like me defending my girlfriend from a schoolyard bully, only cooler because they're punching each other though buildings.

  • @IRONMANAustralia surly unless you wanted to be intentionally cruel being a good person would be easy if you had god like powers

    supper man is not like every one, he could be any one there is a difference

  • @IRONMANAustralia You see, for me Superman works only as a symbol: truth, justice and american way and so on. He is to perfect for be interesting. As Matthew said, he really can't be challenged because he's to perfect especialy when it comes to movie version. He didn't save Lois? No, problem he just fly around the world and reverse time. How can I care about his fate when I know that every time something bad happens he can just undo it? 

  • As a superman fan, it does slightly frustrate me when someone says that batman has more relatability than superman. Esspecially Tim Burton who once said that the only reason batman was more relatable was because he had no powers. I find that reason to be rather superficial. Witnessing your parents being murdered right in front of you and scarring you for life fighting crimes is not very relatable, it's interesting but I doubt it's a common occurrence.

    Nice review, I enjoyed it.

  • @PrimatePunk Agreed. I haven't had my parents murdered in front of my eyes as a child, and even if I did, I do not have th insane wealth or genius required to do what Batman does. Batman would be more relatable if he crusaded against crime as Bruce Wayne, running for politics and speaking at high schools. But then he wouldn't be a SUPERhero... He'd just be a regular, everyday, dumb ol' normal hero.

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  • @PrimatePunk A lack of super powers is superficial? What?! The difference between the stakes of dying during each sortie is superficial? Batman fights, comparatively, realistic things all the time and faces death. Superman plays captain PSA, plays a little rough with technobabble villians between a 9-5 job, and he's the guy that is has more humanity? If you are from Krypton, PrimatePunk, then I you should probably not be surfing the web, right? Superman hears death around him 24/7--doesnt care.

  • @geffrod Your reasoning for relating to someone is exactly my point. What makes a good superhero or interesting isn't what he or she can do, what powers, gadgets or weapons they poses. It's about their inner struggles, how they deal with their trials and tribulations and all around be good people that do what is right. Superman is not great because of his powers. Batman is not great because he doesn't have powers. They are both great characters with different problems.

  • @PrimatePunk Being a good superhero is about the quality and quantity of life that is saved, while accepting that some can't be saved because no one is a "super man". Well, Superman IS a "super man"; why in the flying fuck is he not doing more? He claims that he fights "for the American way"? It's 'cool' to be like "yeah, my dick is rock hard for Lois Lane. It's my right to do just save the people that scream the loudest and the ones that might make the news." He has a bad character

  • @geffrod Superman has amazing abilities, but he is supposed to be an example for people to look up to, at the same time he has struggled to find a balance in his own life, he may not be human, but he's still somewhat a person with needs and desires and like batman, he has to sacrifice that for the good of the people. You are being arrogant and quite disrespectful just because you might of seen all the super man movies. If you are going to argue, no need to come up with childish remarks.

  • @PrimatePunk I'm basing this on the movies. Please, just because I bashed your favorite character using foul language don't make my point any less true. Clark Kent was a good, smart, educated man, until he just chose to abandon what earth knowledge could teach him in favor of his alien heritage which is vaguely in-line with American global ideas of peace. Don't lash out at me because I ruined your comic book tie-in with what the movies have shown.

  • @geffrod I'm not talking about the movies. I'm talking about the soul characters in general. I was comparing batman and superman and how I find them to be both really good characters. And you don't really get your points across as they are very vague and non specific. If you want me to take your arguments seriously, then make an actual point. Your arguments are just jumping from one topic to the next. And I never said superman was my fav character, try not to come to quick assumptions.

  • @PrimatePunk For the sake of simplifying the discussion, comic need to be ignored. There are too many writers for Superman character over the year and they all can't speak for him. Also, Confused Matthew is discussing the movies--take your comic discussions to the appropriate forum. I'm not being vague for the Superman from the movies. I'll say it again "he's NOT DOING ENOUGH" How vague is that? Have you no imagination? Do I need to spell it out because of your lack of imagination?

  • @geffrod Look. Matthew mentioned the character in general and he said it is because he's seen the movies. I'm not talking about the movies, if you want to that is fine. I just left a simple comment how I enjoyed the review and my take on the character. That's it. Then you start talking to me about a whole bunch of issues you have with the movies, that's fine if you do, but that is not what I am talking about. So please stop trying to be a dick and insult my intelligence. Stop lashing.

  • @geffrod Also, this subject is about just the first movie, not all of them, so I suggest you take your own advice. I am not talking about what you're talking about. So don't lash out at me because I'm not, you responded to my comment first. Please take more time to think before responding to someone's comment.

  • I liked the original movie.

    But I also like hearing your opinion on this. So yeah I liked the review, even though we don't agree on somethings. This is merely a matter of opinion after all. You once again present ypur side very well.

  • i recomend you watch smallvile if you really liked the begining part where he was dealing with his powers as a kid thats pretty much what the whole series is about

  • "A few harsh transitions from comedy to seriousness" oh man! You would hate Superman 3.

    If Snyder's version is anything like Watchmen I'm going to love it!

  • @buc555

    My advice to anyone is to skip Superman 3 and 4.

    Superman 2 is also a good movie and fun to watch, but 3 and 4 are abominations.

  • Good to see a new video from you Matthew

  • Confused Matthew nailed why the massed can't related to Superman. If you dig into comics, if you know how he has developed, and you get what makes him tick, you love him.

    If you only understand the generic notions of a superhero, and you only know the movies, he's just the overpower boy scout. Hopefully Snyder will help bring him to the masses.

  • @thegmanofEAP Only the movies? What, have the animated one shots and other mass produced media involving him all been missed by completely everyone?

    I get some of the misconceptions which were brought up, I really do. But they're things the cartoons, animated films and everything keep having to go back ans explain time and time again because people just don't seem to be registering any of them. Either that or they just forget them five minutes after seeing them.

  • Hey Matt. Long time no video.

    I hope that everything is OK in your life lately.

  • Superman is my all time favorite hero, he is someone you look up to, he does what is right and will do anything in his power to help people, DC is well aware he is to good thats why batman calls him boyscout but I he's what every hero should inspire to be. I think people base their opinions to much around the movies without reading a comic book. People say hes unintresting well... all star superman.. that is all.

  • @CrimsonStarStudios Why is it a bad character trait to be a true hero? Even Batman in The Dark Knight is seen as incorruptible. Superman has the weight of the world on his shoulders, but he still chooses to do what's right, to act selfless, even though he could crush this planet.

  • their is nothing wrong I think you misread my intentions superman is the best

  • @CrimsonStarStudios Yep... Batman calls Superman a boyscout. Batman the traumatized lunatic who uses his wealth to run around in a bat costume and act out his childhood revenge fantasies.

    In the Justice trade paperback I enjoyed reading Superman's journal entries on the other heroes: his admiration for the certifiably insane Batman, his apparent vexation that the Green Lantern ring didn't pick him, and so on. It makes out what a well-adjusted guy he actually is, boyscout or not.

  • @confusedmatthew Excellent review, Matthew! Sure is nice to hear your voice again!

  • So Matthew.. If you dislike the character of Superman for being a goodie boyscout wearing his red underwear on the outside, what are your thoughts on the Zack Snyder directed, Christopher Nolan produced reboot of Superman titled "Man of Steel" due to be released June 2013? And they got rid of Superman's undies too.

  • @superstarwarsrocks My hope is that they remain true to the character. My personal tastes aside, Superman is an established icon that they shouldn't have to tinker with or modernize to make him something that the masses find more appealing. So long as they remain true to the spirit of Superman I'm all for it. But if you're asking if I would be happier with a Superman that was tailored more to my personal tastes, my answer is no.

  • @confusedmatthew That's a very good answer. I don't think they're going to change the character of Superman too much really except make him a little less boyscout and more badass. It's a younger version of the character so he'll probably make more mistakes but what I think is happening is it's Superman if he was placed in our world as opposed to the world Superman The Movie presents with the world being happy about his debut whereas this world would fear him and eventually try to destroy him.

  • @confusedmatthew your comment about strong female characters behaving like men reminded me of the new women on law and order SVU (I don't know if you watch that show)every thing about Det. Amanda Rollins from the way she talks to the way she holds her self seems butch to me.... fortunately I like tom boyish women so it's clearly not as much of an issue for me as you

  • @superstarwarsrocks no red undies - no superman

  • @BruderSeth Umm.. Wrong. The new movie isn't the only take on Superman to lose the undies. The comics themselves have done away with them.

  • @superstarwarsrocks since I'm german I didn't come in contact with many Superman comics (except one seminar about film & graphic literature by an american lecturer).

    I was simply trying to make a funny remark, in germany Superman always is associated with the red undies!

  • @superstarwarsrocks I thought Christopher Nolan was no longer attached to that movie?

  • @dariendude17 Well, technically Man of Steel is Snyder's picture but despite the fact that Nolan is busy on The Dark Knight Rises, he's only a phonecall away. The movie still has Nolan's stamp on it. Snyder is usually one to film movies indoors with green screen but MOS is the first movie where he is filming a lot on location and doing effects very old fashioned. That's Nolan's style. He may not be breathing down Snyder's neck but he is definitely involved.

  • A relatable protagonist into which the audience can read itself is an extremely helpful device in the composition of narratives, but it's not all-important.

  • @confusedmatthew Good to see you back, man! Happy birthday! I can't wait to see your review of The Departed.

  • Yep, relatable heroes. I fuckin' hate it whenever I get bitten by radioactive spiders and my mutant girlfriend bursts into flames upon orgasm. Just regular, everyday problems.

    You made it very clear that you don't read comics, but I highly recommend the All-Star Superman tradepaperback. It did a beautiful job of exploring what makes Superman tick as a character. I've really come to appreciate the work put into making a good hero comprehensible over just having a dark'n'gritty antihero.

  • @CoryTheRaven Thanks for bringing up All-Star! The perfect nulifyier for Superman naysayers.

  • People make most of their mistakes just when they are teens?? Oh Matthew you make me feel bad.

  • The most interesting thing about superman is something never really discussed or shown in the movies. Superman has all this power, he could take over the world and force everyone to be good but he doesn't. There was an episode of justice league where they actually address this. Supermans true power is his ability to keep himself from killing terrible people like Lex Luthor.

  • @The80sKickAss When Supes lets loose on Darkseid is both scary and awesome! All-Star Superman did the same analysis, drawing from the fact that he is the son of a scientist who can literally see the quantum-level connections between everything (when Luthor gets his powers and collapses, weeping at the beauty of the universe, is a great scene). Standing back and supporting humanity but not surrendering to the temptation to take over is most of what makes him a hero.

  • What a great, insightful review!

    Every criticism towards the movie is objective and sober and the rest demonstrates your love for film as an emotional art form. Yes, there were two or three subjective nit picks about the movie like you often do, but those are always entertaining and quite valuable to some people :)

    Again, congratulations, I think you're a good and distinctive reviewer with different means for being objective... just stay objective.

  • And just when I thought you were finally doing superman returns. =/

  • To short Matt :(

  • @Skybaby79

    Requested reviews are always that short.

  • @Exverlobter

    My point is that he glanced over a lot of subject matter, like the fact that here are two versions, that it was suppose to be filmed back to back, the 'Jesus overtone', and lastly, his hopes for the new movie without getting to far into Superman Returns.

  • Wow CM you are actually making a new review? I thought you were dead.

  • @FunnyMoneyDummy So did I.

  • Co-screenwriter Leslie Newman handled most of Lois' dialogue.

  • Also, while anyone 'could' save the world with all of Superman's powers, not everyone 'would'. It is like that idiotic hat in Harry Potter, choice as well as potential make us what we are.

  • It's not just that he is good, he is the last child of a society that was so blindly arrogant that they allowed their world to end. His father died trying to save Krypton, Superman now tries to live as a beacon of responsibility so that other peoples and species do not suffer the fate of his home world. His motivation is identical to Batman's.

  • Yes Clash was good.

  • I also hated Lois' monologue during the flying scene

  • If you can matthew, watch the episode of Justice League Unlimited called Clash. The story mainly focuses on the character of Captain Marvel, but it gives a very good insight onto the internal balance that Superman goes through, where he is a man that has infinite power, but with it can come infinite destruction if he does not use it in the correct way. I highly recommend it, but maybe you would want to see more of the Justice League cartoon (2001-2006) first before doing so, but it's all good.

  • Great review, and I say that as a life-long Superman fan. Matthew and my opinion of the character are polar opposite -- but then, I have South Dakota ranchland in my family and have always identified with the character.

    Just FYI: It's Christopher REEVE, not REEVES. It's confusing because George Reeves played Superman on TV in the 1950s.

    And the awful inner monologue? That was written as a SONG. Problem was, Margot Kidder couldn't sing. Definitely an idea that should have been shot down.

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