That's got to be the best display of anger on screen ever, by James Purefoy! Perfect portrayal of an arrogant bastard who is cut down to size by someone he thought no threat whatsoever. I've seen this type of thing in real modern life (but much diluted), very satisfying to witness the supposedly 'powerful' one who knows he's just been fucked.
@jegspillerpiano Hey, he insulted the one love of his life (though I'm not sure it is historically right). Of course it is an excuse to make Octavian pay his backstab. But wtf, for decades after this, none will ever dare to talk him wrong.
I bought both seasons of Rome before actually watching cause I heard it was really good. Season 1 was pretty much modern day soap opera with swords and sandals (yawn)! ...Season 2 was nothing short of spectacular!! It's very rare for a show to be able to fix nearly every single mistake it made in it's previous season! Highly impressed result in the end! One of my fav shows!
@theguywithawheel23 w00t? What are you talking about? I don't see any relevant difference between both season, apart from Season 2 being cut down due to money problems. Both season are awesome and none of them are even close to be compared to soap operas. Just look at the dialogue, the cuts, the soundtrack.. everything, dude. Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis? O_o
I was highly impressed by how real the settings and costumes felt-I could not help but imagine that this was probably pretty close to how it all really looked. I would love to see a movie made of it, as there are rumors of, but I think it would be awesome if it were a prequel about Scyla and the first civil war-would be interesting to see who they got to play younger versions of of many of the key characters.
Season 1 and 2 mashed into the last half of season 1 then canceled, season 2/3 was then produce but ended up being mashed into 1 season also then someone wrote a movie which was suppose to come out in 2011 but nothing came out.
THIS SHOW IS FUCKING AWESOME IT DIDNT DESERVE THIS TREATMENT! I WANT MY FUCKIN MOVIE HBO!
@ImperialForester Actually he was in the first three episodes of S2-he wasn't replaced until after that. This is the last episode where he does appear.
You sure I watched the whole two seasons just a few days ago and I swear he was in the final episode leaving for campainia after caesar is assasinated
@ImperialForester Absolutely positive. The last episode of season one was Caesar getting assassinated. Young Octavian appears after that in the beginning of season two-which starts right after season one ends-with Anthony being chased by the conspirators.
this is my favorite part in the series and my favourite section is where Octavian grabs a pot and smashes it into Antonies face they did this scene so well.
Antony may have just beat the shit out of Octavian in a fist fight, but Octavian is the one who really won here. He's secured his position in Rome, and Antony CAN'T kill him now. Title is not at all misleading.
2000 years and family dynamics haven't changed one iota. The son is still pissed off that his mother is banging an alcoholic loser.
Of course non of this happened since Anthony never had a relationship with Octavian's mother. Here Atia is really a compilation of a number of women, particularly Anthony's third wife Fulvia-but it works nicely as a piece of drama.
@Shadowman4710 The real Atia wasn't supposed to be alive for so long, but who cares if she gets recreated into such an interesting character. Kudos to both Polly Walker and the writers.
I suppose the issue of money Antony may let go but he wasn't too keen about Octavian calling his own mother Atia a whore. Even future emperor Tiberius who may have loathed his mother's back room activities never went that far.
Yeah I know right? A Christian world. The same Christian world that hacked Hypatia to death in Alexandria, that slaughtered ~100,000+ men and women on the charge of 'witchcraft', that initiated a multitude of Crusades that lead to the deaths of close to a 2 million people.
@adventussaxonum yes, I mean, I recognize that it is a little silly to complain about the language, but still believe that it would have been better to use a neutral English. I understand also that British English evokes another great Empire and this may be attractive to anglosaxon viewers. But, anyway, to me it is like watching a movie about XIX England spoken in mandarin...
@moigranespiritu haha, you're just scared of power when you see it lad. You are descended from pompish pimps and meat heads. Germans are descended from straight up killers and hardasses. Thats why most of Rome's legions were made up of Celts and Germans and not many latins. Even they knew badasses when they saw them
@SuperMrDeadpool ...? and is that suppose to be an attractive qaulity..? most germans are vile, and dissolute, well their language anyway, its truly the most ugliest sounding language in the world. besides what good about being a "badass". yes well the "pompish pimps" did create the modern world... and they did create the richest countries of today, (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, maybe a push to say India & South Africa) we can be thankful for that. and what did the germans do.?
What, what, what ?! You insult the language in wich you're writing. The English is a germanic language i believe.The germans are on of the most advanced nations in technical aspects.And the US have a large portion of german descendands. So in a way, they helped create the USA. Furthermore, have you ever been to Germany? And yes, they are one of the richest countries of today. Such arguments are stupid, every country have something to be proud of.
@Boroborovski I'm writing in English, insulting german language, isn't insulting mine, English might be a derivative from a Germanic language, but the two couldn't be more different. Germany helped create the USA..? huh WHAT now? no, millions of working class europeans from Irish, Italian, Greek, Swedish, British, and German migrated to america to work, it was British law and justice, educate and inguinty in science and technology that created USA, actually it was the IR which wasn't german
@Boroborovski Germany is so great, thats why it was completly and uterly destroyed to a billion pieces in The War, reduced to nothing but rubble and ruins, have you seen arial view photos of berlin... it was nothing but ruble, when you go there today, and see alot of beautiful "old" buildings, they are not "old" at all, they are new buildings built to look old... how lame is that... only germany would suffer an identity crisis like that
I was actually really upset when the 2nd Season replaced the actor for Octavian, as this one did such an awesome job. But he would probably look like a 12 year old until he was 23, so I understand why they had to.
@EvilDanHalen He has to go from age 11 to 34 over the course of the series, so no wonder there are two actors for Octavian... in fact, it's a wonder that other characters like Octavia don't seem to age at all in that time.
Obviously the scene wouldn't be as awesome dramatically as it stands, but I think politically, at 2:02, Octavian should probably have said, "Oh. I suppose you're right mother." Then go about his business behind their back. Best to temporize your enemies than to fight, if you rely on deception.
@SuperIdelfonso So, they throw you across the room and drown you in sink water, before hitting you in the face while rest of the members of your family scream along?
Yes, real human blood and guts romans instead of the pompas marble shitting statuesque characters usualy protrayed. Okay, the Julius Caesar was a bit too stiff upper lip but hey, you can't have it all. Love'd Attia!
forgive me for not knowing, but was augustus really a sexually repressive cunt? (obviously anything like causation from mom is speculation, but i'm wondering about what he did to this effect while he was emperor)
@AgileTablet Augustus was rather promiscuous, sleeping with senators' wives, despite having his administration levee fines against people committing acts of adultery. He was boorish and cruel, murdering people who were a threat to his power. But he was a good ruler nonetheless. Atia was nothing like she was portrayed on the show. She was protective of Augustus, but she was a rather pious woman, and nothing suggests she had an affair with Antony.
@ninjast4r Also I believe Atia died somewhere around 42 BC, meaning she would have actually been dead for most of season 2. That being said I absolutely loved this show despite a few historical inaccuracies. It's one of the few shows about ancient Rome which attempts to portray its characters as real people with whom the audience can actually sympathize.
Yeah, it's a shame that the creators were forced to cut the series short. Do you have any idea if a movie version of Rome, Bona Dea I think they were calling it, is still in the works? I haven't heard anything about it in a while, which doesn't give me much hope.
why is there this competition between spartacus and rome? they are two different stories told by different people! The only way they are similar is that they are both set in Rome. So who does it have to be one or the other?
Spartacus COULD be fantastic, but they cheapen it to the level of a trashy, over sexed graphic novel for teenage boys. The storylines are very engaging, but the dialogue is horrendous at times, the sex and violence utterly ridiculous.
YEP. this show had so much more work put into it, from the huge set, real artisans and shopkeeps, making EVERYTHING from scratch.... spartacus just doesnt compare in workload, work ethic, acting, screenwriting, the subplots, all the little intricacies. spartacus pretends a little bit to be more than what it is with lucy lawless and john hannah stepping up to draw our attention from those who cant act. but even they slack as gods of the arena goes on. having said that, i still kind of enjoyed it.
"Spartacus plays like a poor man's version of Rome. It is the biggest pile of over-rated **** I have seen in a long, long time. John Hannah and Lucy Lawless trying to come-off as Mark Antony and Atia was just ******* laughable. The acting is just terrible, the special effects and combat look cheap, amateurish and lacklustre as does the 'tacked on' nudity. Rome completely and utterly wipes the ******* floor with this crap - in every single dept, everyday of the week."
@SlamDunkStudios How exactly would american accents be better? I am not a native english speaker but i usually associate english speaking historical dramas with English accent (provided the actual story takes place in a non-english speaking society) so i sometimes find the very storng american accents a bit funny in other shows, but of course it's just my opinion, i have no right to decide.
@bogi18 Well, yeah, obviously American accents would be even worse (see: The Eagle). I don't know, I guess English isn't so bad, but some of these are really thick dialects. A vague British accent would be less irksome, sort of like the accents they use in Lord of the Rings. I don't know, I guess it's tricky.
@SlamDunkStudios Yeah, I know what you mean with LOTR, i heard they actually spent a hell of a lot of time with training the actors to loose their original accents a bit, they even created special one for hobbits. But i think any kind of accent would serve well untill it has a wide enough range to distinguish between classes. For e. g. here Caesar, Octavianus and the rest speaks english with RP and Pullo and Vorenus speak something less "chizeld".
I realy cant see any reason why there can be a new season perhaps more. Rome finished with Augustus reigning supreme but the history following Augustus is equally bloody and compelling. Immdeiatley after Augustus was Tiberius followed by the infamous Caligula, Claudias and finaly Nero.Wow at least another 3 seasons there. I guess its back to American idol and New Jersey shore for the brain dead.
Make it more contemporary. English didn't exist then either, especially in Rome. The point is to communicate the dramatic aspect to the modern audience.
@LORDMEHMOODPASHA I don't think so but "Juno's cunt" was an actual Roman cuss phrase. Roughly translated from Latin it meant "Juno's loins." I think they used the more derogatory term "cunt" on the show to add humour. :)
Modern day equivalents: "God dammit!" and "God have mercy!" Lol.
For anyone who doesn't know Juno, she is the wife of Jupiter and the chief goddess in the Roman pantheon (analogous to the goddess Hera in Greece, the wife of Zeus).
@TheRugbyfullback Actually,it's the older and supposedly " wiser " Antonius who is out of control. Octavius is fairly cool and calm until Antonius loses it. I'm actually impressed that the boy took on a ruthless,hardened solder,refusing to back down. The future Augustus would soon Antonius just who is the top dog in Rome.
@GerryHYH 1 sestertius was the equivalent of $1.50, 1.11 euros or £1. According to this exchange rate a Congo citizen living on $1500 a year could afford 400 pounds of bread a year in ancient Rome, which is enough to keep someone healthy enough to work, a standard of living common to Roman plebeians and slaves of the time.
@GerryHYH 1 sestertius was the equivalent of $1.50, 1.11 euros or £1. According to this exchange rate a Congo citizen living on $1500 a year could afford 400 pounds of bread a year in ancient Rome, which is enough to keep someone healthy enough to work, a standard of living common to Roman plebeians and slaves of the time.
The swearing isn't appropriate, and I'm not saying that because I'm offended by it. I'm saying that because it doesn't sound Roman. The F-word isn't associated with Rome. It is associated with the popular culture of the late 20th century English-speaking nations. If we are to hear Romans swearing, we should hear swear words/phrases which sound plausible. The diologue here seems indicative not of the Roman Empire, but rather of Americans attending an ancient-themed dress up party.
@JoshuaH688 Well, we also know the real Titus Pullo wouldn't pull up on his horse and declare, "What's this, then?"
It's almost exclusively British and Irish stage actors who get the call for every historical epic, the same way the usual group of New York actors get the call every time a mafia movie is casting.
But if the directors enforced strict dialogue, Caesar would be called "Kaiser" and that wouldn't sound right, even though historically it's closer to how his name was pronounced.
@GozerTheGozerian I make no debate here with anything you are saying. My objection is to the use of words with implied meanings which we view as native to our culture specifically. The literal translation of "F**k" is, in our culture, a subtext which resides in the shadow of its pop culture interpretation. It's like spotting a guy with shorts and sunglasses mingling amongst the Roman soldiers. You suddenly think, "Hey, this is supposed to be ancient Rome... what's he doing in there?"
@JoshuaH688 I guess it's just tradition after five or six decades of using British stage actors for pretty much every ancient historical epic dealing with Rome and Greece. (And it's funny when you think that Peter O'Toole is in most of them.)
It's to the point that when an American is cast, like Brad Pitt in Troy, they're doing quasi-British accents for consistency.
@Sambucca I agree completely; that show was dreadful. I couldn’t even bear to watch one episode – they couldn’t say a line without “cock” or “fuck” being in it somewhere.
@MpowerdAPE Exquisite? You're being far too generous. All I'm saying is; they used swearing to excess in the show and quite frankly, it was just boring as hell. Rome owns Spartacus.
Fulfilling like Jupiter's cock? (:P) Seriously it had some good plot twists, but ultimately Spartacus appealed to the most base instincts of the viewer to sell itself. Unlike in Rome, where sex and violence felt like part of the world, Spartacus seemed like it was actively trying to shock ALL the time; the swearing became perfunctory, the sex and the fighting had an overly-choreographed plasticity. It just felt too much like a teenage boy's fantasy most of the time.
@Sambucca lol. well, i see what you're saying. there was a bit much sex and the gore was exaggerated. Not exactly intellectual; more on the side of badass. Badass is good sometimes :) But they unfolded a gripping story from a very limited setting; it's no wonder why they propped it up via sex and gore (and if I were the executive producer, I would've had it so). When you really think about what they derived from a chiefly arena setting, I think they succeeded at preventing monotony
I will agree that the intrigue and tension created out of a smaller cast and setting (in comparison to Rome) was pretty surprising. The first few episodes were an eye rolling endurance test, but then it picked up speed. The episode where Lithia went berserk was when I really sat up and said "damn this is getting good!". It's a just a shame they spoiled it with the unecessarily vulgar dialogue and slo-mo muscle porn :/
lol @ Rome being "complex". Unless you're dimwitted, it's really not that complex, or historically accurate. Though I thought Rome was a Spartacus ripoff at first, they're different types of shows. Both enjoyable when you get into them though.
You thought Rome was a Spartacus rip-off? You're clearly the dimwit here. Rome may take liberties with its characters, but it's representation of Roman architecture, life and social customs was more accurate than any film or TV show to date. Historians loved it for that reason. The character relationships were extremely intricate and were made all the more convincing by a quality cast. Spartacus had relatively weak actors and story propped up by buckets of sex and gore.
More accurate than any film or tv show to date? You're delusional. I can name plenty of shows that are more accurate than Rome, like the Julius Caesar miniseries or I, Claudius. Rome has plenty of sex & gore scenes itself, so great criticism there. Spartacus has complex characters as well if you bother watching past the 2nd episode before deciding it's only sex & violence. One show is action-drama, one is politics-drama, both fun though. Oh well, no point in arguing with a fanboy.
I repeat, there is no depiction of life in ancient Rome more detailed and accurate than in HBO's series. A gargantuan effort was made with the sets, props and costumes to transport the viewer and give them a real sense of Roman ritual habits and customs; everything from worship of the gods to bathing and going to the toilet was researched meticulously. I Claudius was a fantastic series, extremely well acted and written, but it is incomparable in this regard.
@gradius12 I, Claudius? Are you serious? This rubbish is based on long-time refuted and outdated "historical deliverance". The elaboration of Claudius and Caligula is as false as it could be. Please read some real books about the issue. You know, at the Universities. Rome is more accurate, period. And by the way: calling everybody with an opinion, that differs from yours a "fanboy" will probably not help you a lot in your future life.
@Kathrinoyo More accurate, sure, but there are still a lot of areas where the history is embellished, distorted or just plain made up. There's no evidence for any affair between Antony and Atia, for instance. In fact virtually everything about Atia is fictional. Still a great series though.
@FlaviusConstantius Yeah, you're right - I think Atia was long time dead on that time period. It's a TV-Series after all, so for the sake of dramatic progression and storytelling, there have to be some things made up or altered ;) there are other (real) mediums for real historic education anyway. But I was surely impressed by the amount of detail they put in, especially conerning everyday life and "the feeling" of that particular era - art, location, probs, clothes, lifestyle, dialogue etc.
@Kathrinoyo I agree, overall it was pretty believable. And Antony really was an uncouth, tactless womanizer, so they got him about right! Like you said in your other post, if you want 100% historical accuracy then read a book.
That's nice. But since you haven't provided any examples other than condescendingly telling me to "read some books", I don't give a shit. The show is still more accurate than Rome, which is called a "historical drama", though "historical fiction" would be more apt. Only the battles & scenery are accurate. Pullo, Vorenus, Atia? Their lives are pure fantasy in this show, just like the timeline and millions of other details like Brutus speaking at Caesar's funeral. Got that fanboy?
@gradius12 Okay, back up you little fucker. I'm studying this shit you dumb fuck, so please get some of your facts straight. First of all, Brutus DID speak at Caesar's funeral, as recorded by Suteonius AND Cicero. Secondly: of course this is fiction, if you even considered to take everything for granted in this show, you must be even more dumb than I thought. Thirdly, the battles aren't even correct, so you fail at that part, too.
@gradius12 Fourthly, let's get you some real facts: you don't give a shit about learning about history through books, which proves that you don't have any clue whatsoever, so just shut up. But still I'm eager to see your dumbfuck reaction again, so let's try it: Claudius wasn't that stupid mofo as portrayed in "I, Claudius", nor was Caligula "mad" at all. For further information, read Aloys Winterling. And for the series itself, it is based on the NOVELS of Robert Graves. Novels. You get that?
@gradius12 Now, you poor little kid, take a closer look at you. Obviously you are some psycho gamerboy, who rants about stuff nobody cares about on the internet. "Uh uh, Rome isn't as accurate as the series I watches as a kid". Fucker. Next time you piss on someones bench, make sure he isn't superior in every aspect of human live. And last but not least: it should be "Fangirl" but you obviously are even too dumb to figure that out. Now get lost.
God I love this series.
Killzoneguy117 1 day ago
I'm doing my dissertation on Octavian's rise to power. Sadly it doesn't quite recreate this scene :(
zidoa 3 days ago
@zidoa I know, right? Somehow, Suetonius just falls short.
jordanesmith111 3 days ago
@jordanesmith111 Definitely! Although I did just note his donation of 300 sesterces to the people in my 'social aspects' chapter ;)
zidoa 3 days ago
DAMN! - how fantastic actors they are!...
2serveand2protect 3 days ago
Imagine if this was The Sopranos, and A.J talked like that to Carmella when Tony was present!
actorben 6 days ago
octavian wasnt that young when this stuff happened.
12jamesc 1 week ago
I love the look on Antony's face when he says that.
fuzzyone99 1 week ago
"A public display of unity!?" Lol.
fuzzyone99 1 week ago
which episode is ti ??
sonia26625 3 weeks ago
This show is way to relaxing for us yanks
HerculesRockefellerr 1 month ago
@HerculesRockefellerr go watch Hulk then
sonia26625 3 weeks ago
That's got to be the best display of anger on screen ever, by James Purefoy! Perfect portrayal of an arrogant bastard who is cut down to size by someone he thought no threat whatsoever. I've seen this type of thing in real modern life (but much diluted), very satisfying to witness the supposedly 'powerful' one who knows he's just been fucked.
jegspillerpiano 1 month ago 9
@jegspillerpiano Hey, he insulted the one love of his life (though I'm not sure it is historically right). Of course it is an excuse to make Octavian pay his backstab. But wtf, for decades after this, none will ever dare to talk him wrong.
IrianZamJaya 2 weeks ago
@jegspillerpiano Nice comment!... :)
2serveand2protect 3 days ago
Anthony: "Who do you think you are?"
Octavian: "Only the future emperor after you've offed yourself."
squamish4244 1 month ago 5
What does he say at 4:02...?
tetraconrad 1 month ago 4
@tetraconrad I think he's saying "You're not fit to lead Rome."
ELcapalla2 1 month ago 6
@ELcapalla2 Oh yeah I guess that makes sense.
tetraconrad 1 month ago
I bought both seasons of Rome before actually watching cause I heard it was really good. Season 1 was pretty much modern day soap opera with swords and sandals (yawn)! ...Season 2 was nothing short of spectacular!! It's very rare for a show to be able to fix nearly every single mistake it made in it's previous season! Highly impressed result in the end! One of my fav shows!
theguywithawheel23 1 month ago
@theguywithawheel23 w00t? What are you talking about? I don't see any relevant difference between both season, apart from Season 2 being cut down due to money problems. Both season are awesome and none of them are even close to be compared to soap operas. Just look at the dialogue, the cuts, the soundtrack.. everything, dude. Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis? O_o
Kathrinoyo 1 week ago
You F*ucking whore, Anthony turns into Jet Li.
Moviefan137 2 months ago
I was highly impressed by how real the settings and costumes felt-I could not help but imagine that this was probably pretty close to how it all really looked. I would love to see a movie made of it, as there are rumors of, but I think it would be awesome if it were a prequel about Scyla and the first civil war-would be interesting to see who they got to play younger versions of of many of the key characters.
dkupke 2 months ago 5
Antony's anger at ''Fucking Whore'', LOL
JackPlatts 2 months ago 4
i'd do the same if somebody fucks my mum every night -_-
Oesterreich1156 3 months ago
I love their faces when they say "Borrow"
alejoenhispania 3 months ago 3
Season 1 and 2 mashed into the last half of season 1 then canceled, season 2/3 was then produce but ended up being mashed into 1 season also then someone wrote a movie which was suppose to come out in 2011 but nothing came out.
THIS SHOW IS FUCKING AWESOME IT DIDNT DESERVE THIS TREATMENT! I WANT MY FUCKIN MOVIE HBO!
GloryThyName 3 months ago 2
I think that bowl Antony broke was discovered on Time Team a few years back...
huntriss 3 months ago
why the hell did this get canceled! pullo and verenus were possibily the best characters ever on tv.
den20vip2 3 months ago
and I think this is season 1
ImperialForester 3 months ago
@ImperialForester No, this is the beginning of season two.
Shadowman4710 3 months ago
@Shadowman4710
No this is season one the younger version of octavian does not appear in season 2
ImperialForester 3 months ago
@ImperialForester Actually he was in the first three episodes of S2-he wasn't replaced until after that. This is the last episode where he does appear.
Shadowman4710 3 months ago
@Shadowman4710
You sure I watched the whole two seasons just a few days ago and I swear he was in the final episode leaving for campainia after caesar is assasinated
ImperialForester 3 months ago
@ImperialForester Absolutely positive. The last episode of season one was Caesar getting assassinated. Young Octavian appears after that in the beginning of season two-which starts right after season one ends-with Anthony being chased by the conspirators.
Shadowman4710 3 months ago
this is my favorite part in the series and my favourite section is where Octavian grabs a pot and smashes it into Antonies face they did this scene so well.
ImperialForester 3 months ago
If i were octavion , the seconded i become Caesar , guess who is going to be executed =-D
i have to buy this series , such a great show ..
i dont remember much from it ,but i know its definitely worth watching ..
DorianVonKlaus 3 months ago
Octavian RULES!!!
dapontemozart1989 3 months ago
Antony may have just beat the shit out of Octavian in a fist fight, but Octavian is the one who really won here. He's secured his position in Rome, and Antony CAN'T kill him now. Title is not at all misleading.
SpartanSniper3 4 months ago
2000 years and family dynamics haven't changed one iota. The son is still pissed off that his mother is banging an alcoholic loser.
Of course non of this happened since Anthony never had a relationship with Octavian's mother. Here Atia is really a compilation of a number of women, particularly Anthony's third wife Fulvia-but it works nicely as a piece of drama.
Shadowman4710 4 months ago 2
@Shadowman4710 The real Atia wasn't supposed to be alive for so long, but who cares if she gets recreated into such an interesting character. Kudos to both Polly Walker and the writers.
DeftCrowMk3 3 months ago
This so violent! Why do people watch it?
TheLadyPlantagenet 4 months ago
i love octavion, he was the only one with sense to put cleopatra down. smarter than mark antony and gaius julius caesar
punkzorr 4 months ago 5
@punkzorr and why did cleopatra need to be put down?
MsDDiddy 4 months ago
2:22 is the best response in all of the 2nd season.
Menorius 4 months ago
I never expect anything short of brilliance from James Purefoy.
mybluecat1 5 months ago 41
@mybluecat1 James Purefoy made a great antoney :D
slokaka 3 months ago 2
Niceee. Medical students are meant to be vetted to ensure they have a good character...
BlondieGeekable 5 months ago
Atia saved Octavian's life..
DamnYouDamnMe 5 months ago 4
@ 1:30 even the wall behind Marc Antony is angry!
aaronbrent84 5 months ago 9
Not a patch on I, Claudius.
jamesaellis 5 months ago
the best tv series ever made.... miss it : - (
TubeBillionaire 5 months ago 37
@TubeBillionaire I miss it too
slurms625 4 hours ago
I suppose the issue of money Antony may let go but he wasn't too keen about Octavian calling his own mother Atia a whore. Even future emperor Tiberius who may have loathed his mother's back room activities never went that far.
3baxcb 5 months ago
That news reader always makes me laugh :P
iAutomaticK 5 months ago 2
@iAutomaticK He's called a cryer bro.
JovialEel 5 months ago
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@JovialEel In the series, he gets called a newsreader...
iAutomaticK 5 months ago
Typical Italian family lol
Agricola43 6 months ago
Every time I look at "Rome", I feel happy to live in a christian world.
explorer45 6 months ago
@explorer45
Yeah I know right? A Christian world. The same Christian world that hacked Hypatia to death in Alexandria, that slaughtered ~100,000+ men and women on the charge of 'witchcraft', that initiated a multitude of Crusades that lead to the deaths of close to a 2 million people.
Yes, thank God.
123duffbeerrules 6 months ago
Antony is so sexy:)))
atia295 6 months ago
hmm, I don't know, Romans speaking with a British accent? makes it too hard to enjoy
indgiu 6 months ago
@indgiu - yes, they should be talking in Latin, I suppose! Apart from that, if the script IS in ENGLISH, why not an ENGLISH accent?
adventussaxonum 6 months ago
@adventussaxonum yes, I mean, I recognize that it is a little silly to complain about the language, but still believe that it would have been better to use a neutral English. I understand also that British English evokes another great Empire and this may be attractive to anglosaxon viewers. But, anyway, to me it is like watching a movie about XIX England spoken in mandarin...
indgiu 6 months ago
@indgiu -as an Englishman, speaking my own language, I reserve the right to call it simply "English" I understand that there are other "versions"
What would you call "neutral English"
As for mandarin- if the programme was made by China, instead of HBO and the BBC, I could accept that!
adventussaxonum 4 months ago
kid god balls
Strategos300 6 months ago
that show Spartacus is so bad makes me sick.
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@moigranespiritu haha, you're just scared of power when you see it lad. You are descended from pompish pimps and meat heads. Germans are descended from straight up killers and hardasses. Thats why most of Rome's legions were made up of Celts and Germans and not many latins. Even they knew badasses when they saw them
SuperMrDeadpool 7 months ago
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@SuperMrDeadpool ...? and is that suppose to be an attractive qaulity..? most germans are vile, and dissolute, well their language anyway, its truly the most ugliest sounding language in the world. besides what good about being a "badass". yes well the "pompish pimps" did create the modern world... and they did create the richest countries of today, (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, maybe a push to say India & South Africa) we can be thankful for that. and what did the germans do.?
cttn101 7 months ago
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@cttn101
What, what, what ?! You insult the language in wich you're writing. The English is a germanic language i believe.The germans are on of the most advanced nations in technical aspects.And the US have a large portion of german descendands. So in a way, they helped create the USA. Furthermore, have you ever been to Germany? And yes, they are one of the richest countries of today. Such arguments are stupid, every country have something to be proud of.
Boroborovski 6 months ago
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@Boroborovski I'm writing in English, insulting german language, isn't insulting mine, English might be a derivative from a Germanic language, but the two couldn't be more different. Germany helped create the USA..? huh WHAT now? no, millions of working class europeans from Irish, Italian, Greek, Swedish, British, and German migrated to america to work, it was British law and justice, educate and inguinty in science and technology that created USA, actually it was the IR which wasn't german
cttn101 6 months ago
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@Boroborovski Germany is so great, thats why it was completly and uterly destroyed to a billion pieces in The War, reduced to nothing but rubble and ruins, have you seen arial view photos of berlin... it was nothing but ruble, when you go there today, and see alot of beautiful "old" buildings, they are not "old" at all, they are new buildings built to look old... how lame is that... only germany would suffer an identity crisis like that
cttn101 6 months ago
Juno's cunt!
tobbems 7 months ago 3
Atia's boobs deserved an Emmy
k0ldph1r3 7 months ago 40
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@k0ldph1r3 For best onscreen pair lol
den20vip2 5 months ago
@k0ldph1r3 No way!- they deserve me!
captainbackflash 5 months ago
I was actually really upset when the 2nd Season replaced the actor for Octavian, as this one did such an awesome job. But he would probably look like a 12 year old until he was 23, so I understand why they had to.
EvilDanHalen 7 months ago 3
@EvilDanHalen He has to go from age 11 to 34 over the course of the series, so no wonder there are two actors for Octavian... in fact, it's a wonder that other characters like Octavia don't seem to age at all in that time.
Gnickk 6 months ago
Obviously the scene wouldn't be as awesome dramatically as it stands, but I think politically, at 2:02, Octavian should probably have said, "Oh. I suppose you're right mother." Then go about his business behind their back. Best to temporize your enemies than to fight, if you rely on deception.
gregvs3 7 months ago
Juno's cunt, Juno's mercy.
S2Cents 7 months ago
polly walker sex scene
/watch?v=jZUGEbWy8uI
ShivJohar 8 months ago 4
Who. The. Fuck... do you think you are?
Love it :D:D
Sascopa 8 months ago
This is exactly the reaction of my parents to know of my latest Shopping ...
SuperIdelfonso 8 months ago
@SuperIdelfonso So, they throw you across the room and drown you in sink water, before hitting you in the face while rest of the members of your family scream along?
TheS4MM 8 months ago
0:50 boobies ^^
mowza123 8 months ago
ROMA CAPVT MVNDI
gahan1978 8 months ago
spartacus is amazing, if you're a 12 year old, that is
buddyguy340 8 months ago
:P no joke this shit went down in my house last yr just like this. except it was unprovoked.
Rachulie 8 months ago
27 people need to apologize .... apologize!
billwaltonFTW 9 months ago 4
Yes, real human blood and guts romans instead of the pompas marble shitting statuesque characters usualy protrayed. Okay, the Julius Caesar was a bit too stiff upper lip but hey, you can't have it all. Love'd Attia!
Sapphicastra 9 months ago
One of Rome's best scenes.
alexkrycek21 9 months ago
2:59 Mark Anthony- What did you just call me?
ThatGuyFromTheMovie 9 months ago
this is like... every day in my house.
Rachulie 9 months ago 61
same here but without the money or power
highlanderr33 5 months ago
@highlanderr33 hahah. yeh abuse and moms choosing their men over their kids. aint it great?? :P
Rachulie 5 months ago
@Rachulie hahahaha you need a new house...
kaziabir1 4 months ago
forgive me for not knowing, but was augustus really a sexually repressive cunt? (obviously anything like causation from mom is speculation, but i'm wondering about what he did to this effect while he was emperor)
AgileTablet 9 months ago
@AgileTablet Augustus was rather promiscuous, sleeping with senators' wives, despite having his administration levee fines against people committing acts of adultery. He was boorish and cruel, murdering people who were a threat to his power. But he was a good ruler nonetheless. Atia was nothing like she was portrayed on the show. She was protective of Augustus, but she was a rather pious woman, and nothing suggests she had an affair with Antony.
ninjast4r 9 months ago
@ninjast4r Also I believe Atia died somewhere around 42 BC, meaning she would have actually been dead for most of season 2. That being said I absolutely loved this show despite a few historical inaccuracies. It's one of the few shows about ancient Rome which attempts to portray its characters as real people with whom the audience can actually sympathize.
Cole19871 9 months ago
@Cole19871 Oh, absolutely. It was fantastically done, and a damn shame that it ended so quickly.
ninjast4r 9 months ago
Yeah, it's a shame that the creators were forced to cut the series short. Do you have any idea if a movie version of Rome, Bona Dea I think they were calling it, is still in the works? I haven't heard anything about it in a while, which doesn't give me much hope.
Cole19871 9 months ago
@Cole19871 First I've heard of it, but I doesn't look like much is happening with that project right now.
ninjast4r 9 months ago
why is there this competition between spartacus and rome? they are two different stories told by different people! The only way they are similar is that they are both set in Rome. So who does it have to be one or the other?
FireAndIce0o0 10 months ago
Spartacus is over-rated assgravy for the ADHD generation.
Juno's cunt is where it's at!
fappercino 10 months ago 2
@CjoC12491
Spartacus COULD be fantastic, but they cheapen it to the level of a trashy, over sexed graphic novel for teenage boys. The storylines are very engaging, but the dialogue is horrendous at times, the sex and violence utterly ridiculous.
Sambucca 10 months ago
YEP. this show had so much more work put into it, from the huge set, real artisans and shopkeeps, making EVERYTHING from scratch.... spartacus just doesnt compare in workload, work ethic, acting, screenwriting, the subplots, all the little intricacies. spartacus pretends a little bit to be more than what it is with lucy lawless and john hannah stepping up to draw our attention from those who cant act. but even they slack as gods of the arena goes on. having said that, i still kind of enjoyed it.
oThePurpleSageo 10 months ago
"Spartacus plays like a poor man's version of Rome. It is the biggest pile of over-rated **** I have seen in a long, long time. John Hannah and Lucy Lawless trying to come-off as Mark Antony and Atia was just ******* laughable. The acting is just terrible, the special effects and combat look cheap, amateurish and lacklustre as does the 'tacked on' nudity. Rome completely and utterly wipes the ******* floor with this crap - in every single dept, everyday of the week."
Well said, citizen.
>:P
fappercino 10 months ago
I like this show, but the English accents start to get a little ridiculous after a while.
SlamDunkStudios 10 months ago
@SlamDunkStudios How exactly would american accents be better? I am not a native english speaker but i usually associate english speaking historical dramas with English accent (provided the actual story takes place in a non-english speaking society) so i sometimes find the very storng american accents a bit funny in other shows, but of course it's just my opinion, i have no right to decide.
bogi18 10 months ago
@bogi18 Well, yeah, obviously American accents would be even worse (see: The Eagle). I don't know, I guess English isn't so bad, but some of these are really thick dialects. A vague British accent would be less irksome, sort of like the accents they use in Lord of the Rings. I don't know, I guess it's tricky.
SlamDunkStudios 10 months ago
@SlamDunkStudios Yeah, I know what you mean with LOTR, i heard they actually spent a hell of a lot of time with training the actors to loose their original accents a bit, they even created special one for hobbits. But i think any kind of accent would serve well untill it has a wide enough range to distinguish between classes. For e. g. here Caesar, Octavianus and the rest speaks english with RP and Pullo and Vorenus speak something less "chizeld".
bogi18 10 months ago
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I realy cant see any reason why there can be a new season perhaps more. Rome finished with Augustus reigning supreme but the history following Augustus is equally bloody and compelling. Immdeiatley after Augustus was Tiberius followed by the infamous Caligula, Claudias and finaly Nero.Wow at least another 3 seasons there. I guess its back to American idol and New Jersey shore for the brain dead.
MrMaxTruth 10 months ago
this scene makes me proud of the fact I'm descended from both Octavian and Antony
KingGopherNuts 10 months ago
Did the F-word really exist since back then and Latin lol?
LORDMEHMOODPASHA 11 months ago
@LORDMEHMOODPASHA probably not .... neither did these lame brittish accents. lol
mrtundra45 10 months ago
@mrtundra45 Yes, but they could hardly portray the characters as saying "Yeehaw, kiss ma Roman asssss!" I mean that would've sounded really...stupid.
iconzero 10 months ago
@LORDMEHMOODPASHA The Romans had plenty of swear words XD~
Southenisland 10 months ago
@LORDMEHMOODPASHA
Make it more contemporary. English didn't exist then either, especially in Rome. The point is to communicate the dramatic aspect to the modern audience.
shearoberts 10 months ago
@LORDMEHMOODPASHA I don't think so but "Juno's cunt" was an actual Roman cuss phrase. Roughly translated from Latin it meant "Juno's loins." I think they used the more derogatory term "cunt" on the show to add humour. :)
000000poizen000000 9 months ago
I forgot how much i loved this show
talkindurinthemovie 11 months ago
its ironic that this little arogant boy shall become one of the greatests ancient conquerers
TheAntorius 11 months ago
Antony: "Juno's cunt!"
Octavian's sister: "Juno's mercy!"
Modern day equivalents: "God dammit!" and "God have mercy!" Lol.
For anyone who doesn't know Juno, she is the wife of Jupiter and the chief goddess in the Roman pantheon (analogous to the goddess Hera in Greece, the wife of Zeus).
EricMetalGuitarist 11 months ago 5
Antony has such a temper when he gets mad. I wonder if he was really like that.
IceEyedBlackWolf 11 months ago
lol octavian is acting like a little child who doesn't get his way in this scene!
TheRugbyfullback 11 months ago
@TheRugbyfullback Actually,it's the older and supposedly " wiser " Antonius who is out of control. Octavius is fairly cool and calm until Antonius loses it. I'm actually impressed that the boy took on a ruthless,hardened solder,refusing to back down. The future Augustus would soon Antonius just who is the top dog in Rome.
sleedolfine15 11 months ago 3
Hey guys, how much is '3 million sesterce' in now days? Thanks! :D
GerryHYH 11 months ago
@GerryHYH 1 sestertius was the equivalent of $1.50, 1.11 euros or £1. According to this exchange rate a Congo citizen living on $1500 a year could afford 400 pounds of bread a year in ancient Rome, which is enough to keep someone healthy enough to work, a standard of living common to Roman plebeians and slaves of the time.
rimpeter 11 months ago
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@GerryHYH 1 sestertius was the equivalent of $1.50, 1.11 euros or £1. According to this exchange rate a Congo citizen living on $1500 a year could afford 400 pounds of bread a year in ancient Rome, which is enough to keep someone healthy enough to work, a standard of living common to Roman plebeians and slaves of the time.
rimpeter 11 months ago
should have said JUPITER'S COCK
jw1089 11 months ago
Rome! (Monte Cristo)
PennyWisee14 11 months ago
Fantastic Scene? wher?
IIKainII1 11 months ago
You're not fit to lead Rome.
MaliceNMyHeart 11 months ago
what is going on in here?
jualkyn 11 months ago
Young octavian was a much better actor, than the one they used to make old octavian. He couldnt do speeches for crap lol
EduardoElSexypants 11 months ago
@EduardoElSexypants I agree, I did like the younger actor better as Octavian.
riniel17 11 months ago
me encanta.. me recuerda cuando melevantaban pa ir a la escuela jajajaja
MistressChococat 1 year ago
24 people got bitchslapped by Antony.
AugustusOctavianus8 1 year ago
You stupid little shit!!!
I Fucking love Atia, she'd almost turn me straight, I love her that much!
willyke93 1 year ago
The swearing isn't appropriate, and I'm not saying that because I'm offended by it. I'm saying that because it doesn't sound Roman. The F-word isn't associated with Rome. It is associated with the popular culture of the late 20th century English-speaking nations. If we are to hear Romans swearing, we should hear swear words/phrases which sound plausible. The diologue here seems indicative not of the Roman Empire, but rather of Americans attending an ancient-themed dress up party.
JoshuaH688 1 year ago
@JoshuaH688 Well, we also know the real Titus Pullo wouldn't pull up on his horse and declare, "What's this, then?"
It's almost exclusively British and Irish stage actors who get the call for every historical epic, the same way the usual group of New York actors get the call every time a mafia movie is casting.
But if the directors enforced strict dialogue, Caesar would be called "Kaiser" and that wouldn't sound right, even though historically it's closer to how his name was pronounced.
GozerTheGozerian 1 year ago
@GozerTheGozerian I make no debate here with anything you are saying. My objection is to the use of words with implied meanings which we view as native to our culture specifically. The literal translation of "F**k" is, in our culture, a subtext which resides in the shadow of its pop culture interpretation. It's like spotting a guy with shorts and sunglasses mingling amongst the Roman soldiers. You suddenly think, "Hey, this is supposed to be ancient Rome... what's he doing in there?"
JoshuaH688 1 year ago
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@JoshuaH688 I guess it's just tradition after five or six decades of using British stage actors for pretty much every ancient historical epic dealing with Rome and Greece. (And it's funny when you think that Peter O'Toole is in most of them.)
It's to the point that when an American is cast, like Brad Pitt in Troy, they're doing quasi-British accents for consistency.
GozerTheGozerian 1 year ago
Gracious, what language. XD
sookala 1 year ago
It is fiction ...
Okutabianusu - ...
iodgrsu8953kif 1 year ago
Asombrosa escena !!! muy buena serie...
qrico 1 year ago
I must of fucking missed this episde. Ima go back and watch all the episodes
vahnfish 1 year ago
"Borrow?!"
"Borrow?..."
"3 million sesterce"
"JUNO'S CUNT!"
highflyingdwarf 1 year ago 73
@highflyingdwarf Does anyone know what this is in dollars? Besides a crapload.
riniel17 11 months ago
@highflyingdwarf Spartacus ripped this off!
jw1089 11 months ago
@jw1089
No, Spartacus ripped off 300. The writers of that dim-witted show couldn't hope to rip off a series as complex as Rome.
Sambucca 11 months ago 43
@Sambucca I was talking about the phrase juno's cunt. in spartacus they say jupiter's cock alot. there's a connection there
jw1089 11 months ago
@Sambucca Sparticus - more like soft porn for the brain dead.
MrMaxTruth 10 months ago
@MrMaxTruth
"Soft" porn? Haha. It's probably the most explicit thing I've seen on television, even if all the dicks you see are prosthetics.
Sambucca 10 months ago
@Sambucca, I see Spartacus, Blood & Sand as complementary to Rome I guess, not its equal.
Wolfen443 10 months ago 2
@Sambucca I agree completely; that show was dreadful. I couldn’t even bear to watch one episode – they couldn’t say a line without “cock” or “fuck” being in it somewhere.
000000poizen000000 9 months ago
@000000poizen000000 the series was... EXQUISITE. and the world you live in, where in curses are not added for emphese's* isnt any place i want to be.
pray to your god for forgiveness. because you liked and understood it.
MpowerdAPE 8 months ago
@MpowerdAPE Exquisite? You're being far too generous. All I'm saying is; they used swearing to excess in the show and quite frankly, it was just boring as hell. Rome owns Spartacus.
000000poizen000000 8 months ago 4
@Sambucca ripped off or not, spartacus was an amazingly fullfilling series.
tonikminor 6 months ago
@tonikminor
Fulfilling like Jupiter's cock? (:P) Seriously it had some good plot twists, but ultimately Spartacus appealed to the most base instincts of the viewer to sell itself. Unlike in Rome, where sex and violence felt like part of the world, Spartacus seemed like it was actively trying to shock ALL the time; the swearing became perfunctory, the sex and the fighting had an overly-choreographed plasticity. It just felt too much like a teenage boy's fantasy most of the time.
Sambucca 6 months ago
@Sambucca lol. well, i see what you're saying. there was a bit much sex and the gore was exaggerated. Not exactly intellectual; more on the side of badass. Badass is good sometimes :) But they unfolded a gripping story from a very limited setting; it's no wonder why they propped it up via sex and gore (and if I were the executive producer, I would've had it so). When you really think about what they derived from a chiefly arena setting, I think they succeeded at preventing monotony
tonikminor 6 months ago
@tonikminor
I will agree that the intrigue and tension created out of a smaller cast and setting (in comparison to Rome) was pretty surprising. The first few episodes were an eye rolling endurance test, but then it picked up speed. The episode where Lithia went berserk was when I really sat up and said "damn this is getting good!". It's a just a shame they spoiled it with the unecessarily vulgar dialogue and slo-mo muscle porn :/
Sambucca 6 months ago
@Sambucca
lol @ Rome being "complex". Unless you're dimwitted, it's really not that complex, or historically accurate. Though I thought Rome was a Spartacus ripoff at first, they're different types of shows. Both enjoyable when you get into them though.
gradius12 5 months ago
@gradius12
You thought Rome was a Spartacus rip-off? You're clearly the dimwit here. Rome may take liberties with its characters, but it's representation of Roman architecture, life and social customs was more accurate than any film or TV show to date. Historians loved it for that reason. The character relationships were extremely intricate and were made all the more convincing by a quality cast. Spartacus had relatively weak actors and story propped up by buckets of sex and gore.
Sambucca 5 months ago
@Sambucca
More accurate than any film or tv show to date? You're delusional. I can name plenty of shows that are more accurate than Rome, like the Julius Caesar miniseries or I, Claudius. Rome has plenty of sex & gore scenes itself, so great criticism there. Spartacus has complex characters as well if you bother watching past the 2nd episode before deciding it's only sex & violence. One show is action-drama, one is politics-drama, both fun though. Oh well, no point in arguing with a fanboy.
gradius12 5 months ago
@gradius12
I repeat, there is no depiction of life in ancient Rome more detailed and accurate than in HBO's series. A gargantuan effort was made with the sets, props and costumes to transport the viewer and give them a real sense of Roman ritual habits and customs; everything from worship of the gods to bathing and going to the toilet was researched meticulously. I Claudius was a fantastic series, extremely well acted and written, but it is incomparable in this regard.
Sambucca 5 months ago 2
@gradius12 I, Claudius? Are you serious? This rubbish is based on long-time refuted and outdated "historical deliverance". The elaboration of Claudius and Caligula is as false as it could be. Please read some real books about the issue. You know, at the Universities. Rome is more accurate, period. And by the way: calling everybody with an opinion, that differs from yours a "fanboy" will probably not help you a lot in your future life.
Kathrinoyo 5 months ago
@Kathrinoyo More accurate, sure, but there are still a lot of areas where the history is embellished, distorted or just plain made up. There's no evidence for any affair between Antony and Atia, for instance. In fact virtually everything about Atia is fictional. Still a great series though.
FlaviusConstantius 5 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Yeah, you're right - I think Atia was long time dead on that time period. It's a TV-Series after all, so for the sake of dramatic progression and storytelling, there have to be some things made up or altered ;) there are other (real) mediums for real historic education anyway. But I was surely impressed by the amount of detail they put in, especially conerning everyday life and "the feeling" of that particular era - art, location, probs, clothes, lifestyle, dialogue etc.
Kathrinoyo 5 months ago
@Kathrinoyo I agree, overall it was pretty believable. And Antony really was an uncouth, tactless womanizer, so they got him about right! Like you said in your other post, if you want 100% historical accuracy then read a book.
FlaviusConstantius 5 months ago
@Kathrinoyo
That's nice. But since you haven't provided any examples other than condescendingly telling me to "read some books", I don't give a shit. The show is still more accurate than Rome, which is called a "historical drama", though "historical fiction" would be more apt. Only the battles & scenery are accurate. Pullo, Vorenus, Atia? Their lives are pure fantasy in this show, just like the timeline and millions of other details like Brutus speaking at Caesar's funeral. Got that fanboy?
gradius12 5 months ago
@gradius12 Okay, back up you little fucker. I'm studying this shit you dumb fuck, so please get some of your facts straight. First of all, Brutus DID speak at Caesar's funeral, as recorded by Suteonius AND Cicero. Secondly: of course this is fiction, if you even considered to take everything for granted in this show, you must be even more dumb than I thought. Thirdly, the battles aren't even correct, so you fail at that part, too.
Kathrinoyo 5 months ago
@Kathrinoyo
Oh you're "studying" this? Nice argument from authority. Want a cookie? Your posts are still rampant bullshit.
Battles - broadly speaking, no there's not much wrong with them except timeline issues i mentioned.
Brutus - ROFL. The assassins all fled the city before the funeral. Sorry, but Shakespeare's play is not a valid historical account.
I Claudius - the novelized parts tried not to contradict history, unlike Rome which went its own way with known people.
Keep studying, cunt.
gradius12 5 months ago
@gradius12 Fourthly, let's get you some real facts: you don't give a shit about learning about history through books, which proves that you don't have any clue whatsoever, so just shut up. But still I'm eager to see your dumbfuck reaction again, so let's try it: Claudius wasn't that stupid mofo as portrayed in "I, Claudius", nor was Caligula "mad" at all. For further information, read Aloys Winterling. And for the series itself, it is based on the NOVELS of Robert Graves. Novels. You get that?
Kathrinoyo 5 months ago
@gradius12 Now, you poor little kid, take a closer look at you. Obviously you are some psycho gamerboy, who rants about stuff nobody cares about on the internet. "Uh uh, Rome isn't as accurate as the series I watches as a kid". Fucker. Next time you piss on someones bench, make sure he isn't superior in every aspect of human live. And last but not least: it should be "Fangirl" but you obviously are even too dumb to figure that out. Now get lost.
Kathrinoyo