the sob sitting behind him is laughing most the time, he must think the citizens are a joke, he looks very untrustworthy, hope he's not involved with government anymore.
the sob sitting behind him is laughing most the time, he must think the citizens are a joke, he looks very untrustworthy, hope he's not involved with government anymore.
thanks you said it all for me,. well i am going to buy as many as i can for now,and its not the China shit incandescent light bulbs it has a P C chip in it
Good points, he makes. But, not sure where in the Constitution any government is authorized to regulate/impose highway speed limits, emissions standards in cars, etc.
I'll buy black-market incandescents from China. ;) In fact, maybe I'll be the Al Capone of black-market incandescents and set up incandescent manufacturing shacks in the hills of Tennessee and have hillbillies run them from there to Chicago where I’ll sell them from secret locations with hidden doors. You’ll need a password to get in past my thugs. And we’ll have tommy gun fights in the streets over territory with rival bulb boot-legers. Prohibition worked out great for the Kennedy clan.
@noreaga12326 Well, there'd be no point in passing a bill to improve standards if all existing products already met that standard, would there? :-) Regarding brightness, I agree that the CFL manufacturers' claims were a little optimistic a few years ago--they were claiming about a 4:1 power ratio, i.e. a 23W CFL would take the place of a 100W incandescent. Their claims were founded in solid visual science, but unfortunately visual science isn't very exact, and a 3:1 ratio is probably realistic.
@owenhowlett1 thanks for the reply. When you think about it, this so called "ban" is going to be very ineffective since many people prefer incandescents and have stocked up, like I have. as far as LEDs, maybe there's hope for them but i havent seen 1 LED with good light quality either. We'l just have to see what happens. The only great alternative i've seen so far are the Halogens. I even heard that they're still trying to build more efficiency into them.
@noreaga12326 Yes, they're working on halogens that get up to 30-40 lumens per watt, which is about three times as efficient as a regular incandescent, but still 2-3 times less efficient than an LED. To reach those efficiencies, halogens need a low voltage transformer and an infra-red reflective coating on the inside of the lamp capsule. They're a niche product, but if you're interested you could Google "halogen IR". But I've found some excellent LEDs--Home Depot and Lowes both carry a
@noreaga12326 product called "Ecosmart" which is a re-badged CREE CR6. It incorporates an additional red LED so it more closely matches the color that people expect from an incandescent. At $39 it isn't cheap, but if you're replacing a downlight can, it's actually pretty comparable to what you'd have to pay for an incandescent can housing with all the trims on the front.
@owenhowlett1 so far, i havent seen any LEDs that even come close to the same color as we're used to seeing from incandescents. The only kind of LEDs i've seen so far are the ugly blueish colors. Almost the same as what u see from bike lights. I have no doubt that possibly LEDs will improve but that should be up to ME (the consumer) to decide that. Not the government. The fact that government wants to choose the type of light bulb for ppl is unbelievable. we'l see if LEDs improve in the future.
@noreaga12326 I can only encourage you to take a look at the latest products that are on display in home improvement stores. If you don't take a look, you'll never know. There are still some bad (blue) LEDs out there, of course. But part of the role of government is to set rules that enable us to live without harming each other. That's why the government sets speed limits on roads, why it sets safety standards for consumer products, why it requires you to have car insurance, etc etc.
@owenhowlett1 if u really wana talk about "harming eachother" just remember that cfls contain mercury. some ppl may say there's very little of it. u and I both know that most ppl will not properly dispose them when they're dont so that "little mercury" will add up and turn into 1 huge mess. sorry my friend but i think that these tree huggers and liberals are hypocrates. we've been using incandescents for over 100 years and the planet didnt fall apart. its not that serious. thanks for the reply
@noreaga12326 Well I'm glad we're having a reasoned discussion about this--thanks. Regarding the mercury, coal-fired powerplants emit mercury by burning coal, so it ends up that incandescents actually use more mercury than CFLs, because they burn more coal. I can't post a URL in this message, but there's an article about this in Popular Mechanics from May 2007. Of course, if you live in a state that doesn't have any coal-fired power plants, then the CFL would emit more than the incandescent.
@owenhowlett1 possibly planet is falling apart but i dont believe that incandescent bulbs are helping to make this planet fall apart. Now, when u say "fall apart" i honestly hope that you're not going to tell me that incandescent bulbs are responsible for "global warming" because if so, discussions over..lol...think of it like this, most government buildings in the US use compact flourecent bulbs. that should be enough. And u wana talk about wasted energy? they leave their lights on 24/7
@noreaga12326 Ha, now you're talking my language. I just wrote an amendment to the California Building Code that requires new buildings to shut their lighting off at night when it isn't needed. If the amendment gets adopted it won't be law until 2013, and in the meantime I agree with you completely--it's shocking how many government buildings (and other buildings) have their lights switched on all night. A crazy waste of taxpayer money, if nothing else.
@owenhowlett1 leaving any lights on whether its incandescents or flourecents is still a waste of energy. I dont mind government giving us more choice in bulbs. But what i dont like is them restricting my choices. Most ppl like me prefer the lighting from incandescents. As i told u i agree that we should have laws. But there has to be a line drawn. this light bulb ban is nonsense. If u ask me, government now a days is wayyyyy too much in people's shorts. And that usually causes problems
@owenhowlett1 of course America should have laws. I agree that we shouldnt drive on the wrong side of the road because you might kill somebody. We shouldnt be allowed to take red lights because again, you might kill somebody. We shouldnt be allowed to purposly kill a human being. We're talking about a freaking light bulb for god sake. my incandescents arent doing any harm to anything but my own light bill. I think since im paying for my bill, i outa be the one to decide what light quality i want
The representative is using the standard rhetorical tactic of misrepresenting his opponent's position. The EISA bill (which I've read in its entirety) doesn't ban incandescent bulbs, it only requires them to use less power. A future bill may ban incandescents completely, but that won't be until at least 2020 (the EISA bill does set an earliest possible date for that change, so it's actually protecting the incandescent market). Congrats to us, for getting the elected officials we deserve :-)
@owenhowlett1 to some extent you're right. However, there are incandescents that will not meet the standard. with that being said, IT IS a ban, and yes, by 2020, they're gona be stricter laws for light bulbs. This is the reason why i have stocked up. energy efficient bulbs save energy because their light output is about as bright as a match.
CFL's are nothing more than a transitional technology. Relatively soon, sales of LEDs will outpace CFLs. Already, there are LED options for almost all standard bulbs. They give off light of the same quality at a tiny fraction of the wattage, conserving enormous amounts of energy. You can see these LEDs at any Home Depot. Thanks to market demand, spurred by smart government policy, the prices on LEDs will soon drop to a point that anyone can afford.
@BradNYC again, if LEDs have improved and give off good light, it should be up to the consumer if they wana buy them or not. People like u want the world to live their lives being paranoid about every little thing. who cares if u think that LEDs or cfls are modern technology. if it were up to u,we would have to report to government to when we can eat, what bulbs to use or when to have sex. all u greenies are a bunch of busy bodies sticking ur noses where it dont belong. you're pathetic
@noreaga12326 In my comment, I made a reasoned argument that Poe might be wrong. In your comment, you did nothing more than lob insults at me and make assumptions about me. Let the reader decide which of us has a stronger leg to stand on.
@BradNYC ppl like you want everyone else to live their lives being paranoid about every little thing. i've read your previous comments b4 and the sad thing is, you live in the United States and you still dont appreciate freedom. whats great is that the majority of Americans are standing up to these crazy laws which is why the ban isnt gona mean anything after 2014, cuz even then, many ppl like me will still be using good old incandescent bulbs. this is the land of the free, not the land of gov.
@noreaga12326 Your arguments have all the sophistication of an eight-year-old's. Taking your case to its logical conclusion, we should have no government regulation at all: No regulation of the food or water supply, no regulation of the drug industry, no pollution controls, no economic incentive programs, no building codes, no safety standards for anything, anywhere. May I suggest you take a basic course in government, so you can understand its role in civil society.
@BradNYC oh how clever. you're one of the hundreds of environmentalists who love making extreme comparisons to make your argument look good. Sure we should have laws. We shouldnt be allowed to take red lights because that puts ppls lives in danger, we shoudnt be allowed to drive on the wrong side of the road cuz again, ppls lives are in danger. We're talking about a freaking light bulb. we've been using incandescents for over 100 years and the planet didnt fall apart, so get off that BS already
@noreaga12326 I'm glad you agree we need some laws. Of course, reasonable people can disagree about the extent of regulation there needs to be. In the case of the lightbulb, technology has reached a point where it seems there are good reasons to create incentives for people to choose alternatives that save energy. The real effect on our freedom and quality of life will be negligible, and our energy bills will be lower. Why would we want to waste energy when we don't need to?
@BradNYC you dont seem to understand where im coming from. its not that i want to waste energy. I prefer incandescent bulbs because i prefer their light output. sure it costs me more to use it, but since im paying for my light bills, then why should you or government worry about it? see what i mean? its good that they have come up with alternatives for us but again, it should be up to me (the consumer) if i wana use these alternative bulbs.
@noreaga12326 I can't stand the quality of light given off by CFLs, either, and I haven't bough any except for use in my closets. However, I did just buy a Philips LED bulb from Home Depot to replace an incandescent 60 watt bulb for a desk lamp. The light it gives off is indistinguishable from incandescent. It cost about $21, but uses only 12 watts. It will last approx 25X as long as regular incandescent. There are other brands, like EcoSmart, that cost about $8, but I can't vouch for them.
And thanks to industry competition, and the laws of supply and demand, the prices of these LEDs will fall precipitously in the next few years, and quality will improve. My point is, without government stepping in with sensible regulation to provide incentives for people to change their buying behavior, it would take a lot longer for us to adapt to energy-saving technologies.
@BradNYC you say that the quality of these things will improve. Again, thats not up to government to decide that. WE as consumers outa make that decisions. Just because YOU think they will improve, doesnt necessarily mean that everyone else will feel the same way. again i say, its good that we have more choices in bulbs but to restrict consumer choice is bad business. This is why many ppl such as myself have stocked up on a lot of incandescents.
@noreaga12326 Government doesn't *decide* how these things will go. But government DOES have a role to play in providing incentives to business, using perhaps using taxation or regulation to alter the demand for items that are deemed "dangerous" or "wasteful." States do it all the time by taxing cigarettes, which damage people's health and arguably add to the health care costs of all Americans. Surely, government isn't the solution to all these things, but it does have a role to play.
@BradNYC you're right when u say that cigarettes damage ppls health. however, you, me nor government shouldnt decide whether or not ppl should be allowed to smoke cigarettes. again, if i wana "Waste" energy in my home, then im entitled to do so because im the guy paying for everything on here. Not the government. again i say, if cfls or leds were great alternatives, ppl will buy them. Government is too much in other ppls shorts.
@BradNYC ur taking about being wasteful? if these silly greenies were so worried about wasted energy, the white house would not leave their lights on all day and night. And it doesnt matter if they're using cfls or incandescents. Leaving lights on is still wasting energy. so thats hypocritical on governments part. im gona keep using good old incandescent bulbs until i see improvement on the efficient bulbs. Since im paying my light bill, i'l decide what bulbs i wana use
@BradNYC Next, you're gona want government to ban mc donalds or Dairy Queen cuz of all of the high number of ppl here who are over weight and have health problems. All you greenies are a bunch of whiney little busy bodies who are always sticking their noses where it doesnt belong. when u start contributing to my rent, and electric bills, then perhaps u can tell me how much energy i can use. Until then, if i wana leave my incandescent lights, a/c and heaters on 24/7, then i will do so.
Why has Prezbo's Job CZAR, shipped GE Union Jobs to "No EPA, No OSHA and No child labor law", China to Produce these Toxic Nightmares! YES NIGHTMARES! Chinese Workers are suffering the Effects of Mercury Poisoning from the production of these Bulbs! They are becoming 21st century "Mad Hatters"! WHY are we putting these Toxic Bulbs in our children's bedrooms? The Bulbs will change the color of a painted object. These bulbs are one of the more dumbest Ideas that Gore and the Left has forced on us!
@blarghwastaken Ted Poe is addressing the over reach of government telling people what light bulbs they can use. I dont think its anyones business if we wana use incandescents, cfls or leds. i think YOU'RE trolling since u seem to be in favor of government controlling your way of living
@noreaga12326 Yeah especially if they're all made in china. There are lightbulbs that are 100% safe and even biodegradable that can be made in our country..
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Mr. Poe puts out a LOT of false information. First of all fluorescents have been around for a very long time and were used successfully by Nicolo Tesla the inventor of AC (alternating current) which made our current electrical grid possible. They are NOT particularly dangerous and ARE much more efficient. I have heard savings estimates of $20 BILLION annually for America. Mr. Poe want a piece of that $20 BILLION in his campaign coffers since he mostly represents energy companies.
G.E. is happy. Obama's boy, Immelt shut down G.E. manufacturing of light bulbs immediately and shipped production off to China. The price of the mandated bulbs is $5 - $7 vs $.60 for the incandescent. G.E. stands to make a fortune.
Write speaker Boehner and demand that he keep his promise & force that fool, Congressman Fred Upton, who co-sponsored the original bill as co-chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee to repeal it.
Obama has finally provided a great business opportunity for the "little guy." Big bucks to be made in incandescent light bulbs on the black market. Again, the "little guy" can get back to being an entrepreneur.
Perfect timing. If it's not the 9.1% unemployment rate, the terrible economy, gas prices hovering at $3.30 a gallon, or the undeclared war in Libya, it will be the mandatory LED bulb that will seal Obama's fate.
The real issue, of course, is that hardly anybody had heard of this law until it was passed. The public doesn't like getting things sprung on them without any consultation, especially if it affects their daily lives. Ultimately, things like this undermine the People's trust in, and therefore the power of, their government.
We pay 5X more for electricity on my island, so I guess we'll save about $900 per year. Cool! I broke one the other day and guess what, no HAZMAT, no problem! How much mercury is in the regular fluorescent bulbs, and no one complains about the millions of tubes in office buildings. I've never turned on a CFL bulb and had it not work. They always work! Mine look great and light up fast; guests can't even tell they're CFLs. People cried and screamed about cars when they were invented, too.
@shdoug You miss the point entirely. Nobody is saying people can't buy CFL bulbs, if they choose. The key phrase being "if they choose." I have no problem with that.
The problem I have is when somebody else infringes on my freedom of choice. If I choose to purchase incandescent light bulbs, then so be it. So, please quit infringing on my rights. Or, show me in the constitution where it says the federal government is required to oversee lighting. It isn't there, Bub.
@DwightSimpson Read the PreAmble to the Constitution to see that the American PEOPLE through their representatives in Congress can and should make America better for coming generations and that is precisely what flourescent lighting does.
@exenrontexas so what you're pretty much saying is that cfls and the other florecents we've been using for decades is the same thing. I love the flourecent bulbs we've been using for decades but why would i wana put ONLY flourecent lighting in my house?? Unless i wana turn my house looking like the inside of an office. I'm not 100% sure about the mercury in them but i do know that most cfls have many false promises and they're expensive. I think i'l stick with NORMAL and cheaper bulbs.
@exenrontexas The fact that u said that "congress can make american better" is all a matter of opinion. Freedom in this country is slowly being chipped away by all you mentally challenged greenies telling ppl how they should live their lives. Worry about YOU live ur life and butt out. I"m the guy who owns the house and I'm the guy whos paying for my light bill. So its nobody's business if i wana use "inefficient bulbs". All you tree huggers and congress can kiss my ass. I'm sticking with incands
@noreaga12326 Wrong. America is built on the principle that we are government with the consent of the governed. If you don't like what the government does then change it, if you can. Take up the challenge and inform your fellow citizens and your representatives and see...IF they believe you. I don't. Your head is filled with hogwash and we live in a world of laws. You are determined to remain...stupid.
@exenrontexas of course the US has laws. But there should be a line drawn somewhere. Government deciding for people what light bulbs that should use is crossing the line. Since you dont mind government telling u the kind of lifestyle you should live, then YOU are the stupid one. You and all your tree hugging friends are busy bodies and are too much into other peoples pants. When the government, congress or you pay my light bill, then u can decide how to light my house. Until then, BUTT OUT
@noreaga12326 WRONG AGAIN. The line as you call it is drawn NOT by YOU but by the Constitution. So if you wish to continue to be stupid then I suggest to file a Federal lawsuit and go for it. Good luck with that. And while you are waiting to the case to come to trial I suggest you reade the Preamble to the Constitution and pay special attention to the part about "promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".
@exenrontexas u can rant on all u want. Statistics speak the truth. Most Americans like me have stocked up on enough light bulbs to last us a life time. Freedom certainly does come with responsiblity and laws but as i said b4, a line has to be drawn somewhere. If people thought like you, we'd have to report to government for taking a shit, using toilet paper and when to eat. This so called "ban" is worthless. incandescents will wind up in our homes and we'l still be using them after 2014.
@exenrontexas if u wana live your life having government up your ass 24-7 thats your business. But most people dont need government telling them how they should live their lives. Next, you're gona tell me that inefficient bulbs are responsible for climate change. All you leaf eaters are a bunch of paranoid busy bodies who worry about how others live and not yourselves. I said it b4 and i'l say it again, until you pay my light bill, then u can tell me what bulbs to use. Go hug on a tree now.
@noreaga12326 Well your hyperbole is inferesting but still wrong. I am a citizen who respects the Constitution and the men who wrote it and I cannot recall ever hugging a tree though I own many. I do use electricity but am not eager to waste it as you are. The Congressman who introduced the legislation encouraging electricity waste is my congressman, Ted Poe, and I have spoke to him many times about his scatterbrained ideas, In the end he admitted that he was bought off by...BIG OIL, like you.
@exenrontexas your thing seems to be about energy savings and my thing is the looks on these lights. I use incands. cuz they're cheap and they give off nicer light. CFLs give off gloomy greenish light. I dont know too much about LEDs yet but i've seen a few of them and their light doesnt look that pleasing either. If you wana make your home look like the inside of a hospital waiting room, go for it. I dont care how efficient cfls are.if their light quality looks like shit, im not using them
@noreaga12326@noreaga12326 Of course, my home lighting looks normal and is not gloomy in any way. Clearly you have either bought the wrong products or been mislead by the likes of my Congressman, Ted Poe. What I DO take exception to is the rule of law and the obvious manipulation of public opinion by my Congressman for political gain. Do you really think the light bulb police will show up at your door to take your incandescents away? Seek help for your mental condition.
@exenrontexas If i thought that the lightbulb police was going to show up at my door, then i guess i would have no choice but to use the ugly efficient bulbs. You enjoy government coming into your own home telling you what products to buy, when to eat, when to shit, and when to watch tv. I'm sure that you believe that "efficient bulbs" will stop the melting of the nice in the Artic. i think YOU'RE the one with the mental condition. Good luck leaf eater
@noreaga12326 It is clear that you have drunk Mr. Poe's fear mongering kool aid to the fullest. It is also clear from your mispelled words that you were home schooled. The Constitution says that the government is BY, FOR and OF the PEOPLE. And if you are afraid of that then I understand why you have gotten so much wrong in your life. Good luck with you sitting trembling, clutching your incandescent bulb sitting at your door waiting for the bulb police. I think I go eat a nice salad. Bye.
@exenrontexas You post so much about "the light bulb police" u make me wonder if you actually are the lighrt bulb police. Come arrest me for having incandescents. I wouldnt even doubt it if you're dialing 911 now telling the cops that i have a stash of incandescents. Amazing how good i am at getting you upset. You're so angry you ATTEMPT to put them down when they disagree with your views. Just made my point for me. WE ARE THE PEOPLE. NOT, we are the government. Again, ur the government's pet
@exenrontexas sounds like a perfect subject for you. maybe then u'l appreciate freedom more. don't yawn too much, all that mercury u inhaled has already damaged your brain cells. have a good night, leaf eater
@noreaga12326 It appears that I am not the only citizen which you have attacked for supporting the Constitution and mental health. Seriously you need counseling or mental health otherwise you are going to go postal. I do not want to read about you in some newspaper where you have shot some Congresswoman over imagined wrongs. Get help soon.
@exenrontexas you keep talking about "getting mental help" and now you're talking about "going postal". Old man, my apologies for making you mad on a utube video. Liberals like you are the ones who need mental help. For believing in "man-made climate change". I would of thought that at your old age, u would know better than that. Good luck in life.
@noreaga12326 Your apologies gladly accepted but I am curious why you have made such and effort to pick this fight with so many other as the record clearly indicates. I never originally posted to you so why such a vitriolic and hateful response to me when I was only trying to expose the stupidity and corruption of my own Congressman. I have met him and challenged him many times and he is only a tool of the big oil companies who want America to waste energy. He is not patriotic at all.
@exenrontexas My posts towards you wasnt meant to be hateful. I just simply think its wrong for government to tell people how to live their lives. This bulb ban has proven to be insane. CFLs have many false promises and they're expensive. Plus most light fixtures we have in our homes only support incandescents. Which means that cfls dont work in most of those fixtures. Theres no way im spending my hard earn money on replacing fixtures for gloomy lighting.
@exenrontexas 1 way that we can save energy is to turn off lights when leaving the room. you'd be surprised at how that could lower your energy bill by doing that.I dont doubt what u say about toe poe possibly being a liar in some things. Hell, everybody has lied once or twice in their lives. But what hes saying here makes sense to me.next, they're gona ban mc donalds cuz theres a lot of over weight ppl. Sure, its not good 4 u but i think ppl outa have the right to eat there if they want.
@noreaga12326 Poe is a former judge and a professional liar. Most politicians tell lies but Poe tell some real whoppers. He picks on hot button topics and them plays to the outrage factor in some people. I used to hear the corporate executives laugh about how their political toadies would push people's hot buttons just for fun. It had nothing at all with what was right or for political freedoms, just for entertainment and to prove that they could. Rush Limbaugh is an expert at that.
@exenrontexas i dont doubt what you're saying about poe being a liar. U said it yourself, most politicans are liars and feel like they have to lie just to get votes. Although I dont know him like u say you do, I'm only going by what i hear him saying in this video. The only thing i may question is the mercury. I'm aware that cfls have little mercury but when u think about all the cfls that will be dumped in landfills, all that little mercury will add up to one big mess.
@noreaga12326 It is true that mercury is a toxic substance but it is also true that fluorescent bulbs have been around almost as long as incandescents with no noticeable negative effect. The mercury issue is yet another fear mongering used by would be demogogues like POE to bring terror and apprehension into the minds of the public. Poe's goal always has been and continues to be to encourage waste of electricity because he has been bought off by big energy companies, plain and simple.
@exenrontexas again, many politicians lie to get into office. I dont believe hes encouraging people to waste electricity. as u know, CFLs are widely available now.Many people don't use them simply because they dont like them. So whats governments solution? Force them on people. As i said several times, the only way government is going to tell me what bulbs i can use is if he starts paying my light bill. Until then, i'm sticking with my incandescents which are cheaper and give off nicer light.
@noreaga12326 Well in a sense the government IS paying for your light bill. He is how. First of all large corporations have almost universally gone over to fluorescents and have for many years. It is all about money and the personal freedom you espouse is meaningless to them. Secondly they are the largest single user of electricity of anyone in the US. By that I mean that no individual uses more electricity than any single homeowner. WHO pay the lowest rates? Corps. WHO gets to write off it?
@exenrontexas The only way that i see this so called "ban" making a difference is if virtually NOBODY uses incandescents. And u already know that wont happen. Look at the millions of ppl that have stocked up. In fact, the building that i live in was switched to compact flourecent lights back in 2006. I guess the owner heard about the ban because now my building is back to old fashion candlebra incandescents. the ban will probably be effective for the next generation. But not this one.
@exenrontexas by the way, not all incandescents are going to be banned. There are plenty that will still be available. anything under 40watts, specialty bulbs (candelabra, colored bulbs, bug lights)rough service lights and appliance lights will continue to be available. And as u know, halogens are incandescent bulbs that meet the standards. So thank god i wont be stuck with ONLY cfls or leds.
@exenrontexas I don't know where to begin. Your posts regarding this video demonstrate how misguided you are. Rep. Poe & talk radio hosts like Rush are trying to warn you & others of the loss of liberty & freedom that results from an over-sized, over-reaching gov't & you respond to their efforts by calling them liars. I know that I can't change your view point, but I can assure you that gov't will never, ever be the solution to any of our problems. You should learn from Poe & Rush.
@poodin2011 Poe and Rush are part of the force of evil fascists trying to deceive a small minority of Americans backed by treasonous powerful corporations into overthrowing democracy in America, assassinating the president, disbanding Congress and suspending the Constitution. It will minority rule like it was in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. IF you do not like my democracy based America then...LEAVE IT and go to where Poe and Rush have their money, the Cayman islands, Bahamas or Switzerland.
@exenrontexas I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about! It sounds like paranoid delusions to me! The point I made earlier stands. America is becoming a socialist nation like those in Europe (i.e. Greece) that have had stagnant economic growth & not nearly the standard of living Americans have enjoyed for the past 50+ years. We are losing our REPUBLIC to big gov't tyranny. This has nothing to do with Ted Poe or Rush Limbaugh. Our problem is LIBERALISM, esp. the current Obama Regime!
@poodin2011 I agree with your point about America becoming a socialist country, a NATIONAL SOCIALIST aka NAZI country. You should do a little research before embarrassing your parents and teachers. Who receives the greatest welfare? Large corporations, every year. Benito Mussolini said that fascism more properly should be called corporatism where government exists for the sake of large corporations. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS are handed out to corps every year & they spirit their money OUT of the US
@exenrontexas So how do we get big business out of big gov't, eh? Looks like to me they're in bed together so the whole system is corrupt. The reason corps. send their money overseas is to avoid the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Our jobs are going overseas b/c of over-regulation (EPA, OSHA, FDA, FTC, etc.) & the cost of employing workers here. As I see it, the overall problem is big gov't that is snuffing out economic opportunity & jobs.
@poodin2011 WRONG AGAIN. It is not regulation forcing jobs overseas but rather the fact that some other countries like COMMUNIST Red China practice FORCED LABOR aka slavery. That is precisely what the GOP wants to return to America. Much of the tax loopholes for big business encourage that. It is true that I worked for ENRON and I saw them pay NO TAX AT ALL in four out of five years and & many more. They got most of the TEXAS GOP elected including Bush, Cornyn, Hutchinson, DeLay, Gramm & Armey
@exenrontexas You've got it BACKWARDS. Communism is on the left side of the political spectrum. Communism is total gov't control. Conservatives & Republicans are on the right side & we want less gov't & more liberty & freedom. Conservatism is what our Founding Fathers espoused. There is no question that is a lot of corruption in business & politics, but I don't know anyone on the right that wants what you describe, esp. me!
@poodin2011 Go read the Preamble to the Constitution and then rethink your twisted statements. There is no one on the right who will admit the truth of their goals but the end of democracy in America has been their goal for a long time. Example: When FDR began the New Deal a group of conservative Republican robber barrons plotted the overthrow of the Federal government to assassinate the president, disband Congress and suspend the Constitution. Search for the BUSINESS PLOT for details.
@exenrontexas Good grief, dude! You want me to take responsibility for something that happened 50+ yrs. ago?!?And I'm supposed to believe that's the Republican Party goal today?!? I will be more than glad to "admit" what I believe in: Limited Gov't, Liberty, Freedome & Opportunity. Got it? Now get off your meds.
@poodin2011 The SAME groups with the SAME goals are around today. The plotters were J P Morgan, the Goodyear, Remington and DuPont families and...PRESCOTT BUSH. Prescott was a known fascist sympathizer and his company was confiscated for supporting the Nazis during WWII. All the rest made MILLION from WWI when a million dollars was a whole lot of money. Their goal was and still is to set up a fascist dictatorship in America. Compare their goals and John Birch and dozens more to fascism.
@exenrontexas You're talking about ancient history, dude! We just had 2 Bush's as President & they didn't turn this country into "facism". You might want to worry more about what's going today with Barack Hussein Obama & his liberal, socialist Democrats in Congress like Reid & Pelosi, who are trying to bankrupt our country & turn us into Greece. Obamacare if fully implemented will be the final nail in our collective coffins. It ain't Bush's fault!
@poodin2011 We it IS Bush's fault and he DID turn America strongly toward fascism. Google Naomi Wolf or view he video right here on youtube on the twelve points of fascism. OH, BTW, America is the ONLY industrialized nation in the WORLD who doesn't have national healthcare and they are 14th in healthcare quality and number one in cost. Healthcare reform was LONG OVERDUE.
@exenrontexas Bush is no longer in office or in power! Get over it. You should focus on the destruction that Barack Hussein Obama is doing right now in front of your eyes! There are NO jobs. We're about to lose our AAA credit rating b/c Obama & the Democrats in Congress have spent us into oblivion. We didn't get health care reform, you jackass! We got a 2,000+ page of legislation that no one read. It was a total gov't takeover of 1/6th of our economy. I urge you to study national health care.
@exenrontexas "National Health Care" has been a disaster everywhere it's been implemented. Google Romneycare & educate yourself. That 14th ranking you keep quoting is just one study's opinion. I ask you again...why did Canada's Prime Minister have heart surgery in Chicago if Canada's "national health care" is so f'g wonderful? Doctors are already retiring or leaving the industry. Waiting times are longer. Care will get rationed.
@exenrontexas If listening to Rep. Poe in this video isn't enough to convince you that gov't isn't the solution to our health care "problems" (real or otherwise), then you simply aren't going to "GET IT". Think about this the next time you are standing in line at the Post Office or DMV. Please read "Entitlement Bandits" on National Review's website if you need further convincing. The numbers are staggering & unsustainable.
@poodin2011 WRONG AGAIN. BTW I have listened to Mr. Poe many times in his rants at my kids schools and at veterans groups. He was booed on Memorial Day at the VA cemetery in Houston. AND it was REAGAN who caused the SS short fall by exempting the income of the rich and powerful from the SS deductions. My sister died four years ago when her PRIVATE HMO denied her life extending treatments and sent her home to die. HMOs have had death panels for many years and have killed many citizens.
@exenrontexas Good grief! Poe is reading directly out of the EPA guidelines for these supid new lightbulbs. So I guess you think it's just fine for the gov't to tell all of us what lightbulbs we can use, what food we can eat, what clothes we can wear, etc., etc. Why are you ranting about Reagan. He's been dead for more than a decade & he did not bankrupt SS. It's a damn ponzi scheme from the get go! Congress put SS "trust fund" money in general fund & spent it!
@exenrontexas Have you Googled Romneycare yet? This is not rocket science. Obamacare & Romneycare are very similar "programs" both with the individual mandate. Romneycare is a disaster. It didn't save money & didn't provide better care & it is quickly becoming a state budget fiscal nightmare. I don't know how else I can convince you that Obamacare was a big mistake. You obviously want gov't to run your life (and death). Your HMO didn't deny the treatments-they just didn't pay for them!
@poodin2011 I am not at all surprised that any program designed by the current crop of Republicans is a disaster but since it in NO WAY applies to me I am not interested in it. I believe the best healthcare program would be Medicare for all WITHOUT the obscene exemptions done by Reagan. It would be fully funded, efficient and not restrictive in any way. Medicare does NOT block any private insurance plan and enables and efficient. My sister paid FULLY for treatments and didn't receive them.
@exenrontexas Yo, dude. Not a single Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. Now I know for sure that you are just another uninformed liberal. Get lost. We're done.
@exenrontexas I stand corrected. ONE Republican in the House (Joseph Cao of LA) voted for Obamacare. The vote was 220 Yes & 215 No. In the Senate, NO Republicans voted Yes. The vote there was 60-39. You really need to learn how to read & use Google. Your sister paid for treatments that someone refused to give her? You are full of shit.
@poodin2011 You need to be corrected about many things since you are delusional. Stop embarrassing your parents and teachers by disgracing yourself, numbnuts. My sister pay over $10,000/year for health insurance and when it came to give her treatments the lawyers for her HMO denied them to her. They said they weren't normal or customary. Of course, it wasn't normal or customary for her to get cancer. That is always the trick that the private death panels use when they don't want to pay.
@exenrontexas I'm only going to explain this to you ONE MORE TIME. The HMO & insurance companies didn't DENY TREATMENT for a damn thing. They simply refused to pay for it. Your sister should have borrowed the money & gotten the treatments on her own. Her family should have helped her. You conveniently don't respond to my FACTS b/c you can't. FACTS are very stubborn things b/c no matter how bitter & delusional YOU are, you can't change them. Death panels? Wait til Obamacare is implemented!
@poodin2011 The ONLY deathpanels that America has seen are PRIVATE healthcare death panels. For you denial is far more than a river in Egypt. Insurance companies are murderers and since you excuse them you are immoral. Case closed.
@exenrontexas You haven't responded to anything I've said & you haven't disputed any of my facts. "Insurance companies are murderers". Wow. Cancer killed your sister. Pay for your own damn health care & shut the f up!
@poodin2011 The NEOCONS ruled the BUSH White House so who are these NEOCONS and where did the come from. They universally admit that their guru was Leo Strauss. Strauss came to America on a Rockefeller grant arranged by Prescott BUSH, Fritz Thyssen and Carl Schmitt. Thyssen was the German industrialist who financed Hitler's rise to power and Carl Schmitt was Hitler's lawyer. Both Rockefeller & Prescott aided the Nazis during WWII. Strauss had a big problem. He was Jewish & a fascist proselyte.
@exenrontexas nope, he is dillusional and goes after anyone that is rational. He has been attacking me for a couple years now. He is a real mental midget, dont take it personal. :)
@shdoug Wow, dude! You are what is referred to as a "useful idiot". You find a way to defend having your liberty & freedom stolen from you & feel good about boasting about your stupidity! Truly amazing. Line up with the rest of the lemmings & jump off a cliff! You can't fix stupidity like yours. You will live in total ignorance for the remainder of your life on Earth. What a shame...
Cfls are great saves money and I have never had one of mine burn out on me yet. Plus its been proven mercury in small amounts is good for you.....builds up immune system defenses.
@stickedU The average savings from these toxic killers is around 180 dollars a year. The landfills will be full of these toxic time bombs. After a while the accumulative concentration will seep into the ground water. We'll see just how good for you these nasty little things are. More unintended consequences from the radicals at the EPA. Americans should have a choice, not a mandate from China. Shame on Congress!
What some people don't know is that to compensate with new legislation, home/business owners are just putting in MORE light fixtures or putting in non-recommended higher wattages to ensure they still get the light output needed! What actually is accomplished then by the mandate? Equal energy used and/or fire hazards. How is that a win?
Republicans fear the government only because there are republicans in the government and nobody loves enforcing even the silliest laws than a law-abiding republican. The problem with Democracy to a republican is that in a democracy we the people have a voice and think for themselves rather than 'carry around a copy of the constitution in the back pocket" as poe does, ready to bad dog somebody anybody walking slow enough to hear this crap. "Goodbye to Thomas edisons invention"? WTF!
Republicans fear the government only because there are republicans in the government and nobody loves enforcing even the silliest laws than a law-abiding republican. The problem with Democracy to a republican is that in a democracy we the people have a voice and think for themselves rather than 'carry around a copy of the constitution in the back pocket" as poe does, ready to bad dog somebody anybody walking slow enough to hear this crap. "Goodbye to Thomas edisons invention"? WTF!
@taopants We the American people do not live in a democracy. "Democracy" is mob rule. We're supposed to live in a constitutionally elected representative Republic. But we are currently living in an oligarchy with a two party system scam. Check this youtube vid:
watch?v=qhNobpG_4fQ
Nothing in the US Constitution says anything about "democracy" if you have actually studied it in high school like I did when I was a boy. You can read the US Constitution at usconstitution(dot)net.
@taopants "Least government is the best government." - Thomas Jefferson
"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
"I must study politics and war, that my sons may have the liberty to study mathematics and philosophy."- John Adams
Hey everyone I know Noreaga.. He is a person who was sexually abused when he was a child. So he has alot of agression towards authority. His dad was a minister at a small church. He really abused him badly. Its sad so show sympathy for this sad older man. He is very angry now towards government and policies it tries to enact in law. Its okay though we understand it now. Why he is grumpy. I have contacted him to try to make him feel better about himself, still trying though.
@stickedU lol.. the fact that u post false statements about people clearly shows how angry i got you. i am amazed at how i have that affect on you, even thru a u tube video. all the things ur saying about "abuse" shows that YOU were probably abused as a child. you're probably one of those pyschos who write countless letters to congress and cry over what they do. Most ppl who look at ur moronic statements in other videos will see how angry u are because most ppl dont wana be ruled by government
@stickedU umm why would you make a cruel comment about somebody who was sexually abused? Everybody has a right to speak out their opinions. Is this what you do when somebody disagrees with your views? you were the one who probably has been abused as a kid. just by what you say i can tell that who ever took care of you treated you horrible. or maybe you got picked on in school as a kid. you don't have to agree with the views on this debate. i agree with the other posts. the ban is stupid
I had these new bulbs in my house, but not now. I had a Sylvania bulb catch on fire in a light fixture. I was home and caught it, but in that short time, the hard base on the bulb had started to melt. I called Sylvania and told them about this. They said, "Oh it would have gone out eventually." Yeh, like when it burnt my house down. Check the internet and you will see lots of other people had this same problem. They should not make us use these bulbs!
I've often wondered, aren't powerplants similar to alternators on cars. If anyone knows more about this please enlighten me. They spin at a constant speed and produce at constant amount of electrical energy. Should everyone turn off all their light in America at the same time, it's not like they turn the generators off because don't they have to produce the power to have it availible? Obviously, they start more generators for peek months, but isn't that to hit a specific wattage target?
I am amazed at how some people like to make comment on something they know little about. First off LED as headlight are not going to happen anytime soon. Its all about cost. LM/watt ids achievable. As far a led's in down lighting and general lighting that here now. saving from 50 to 85 %. We have little choices right now. The technology is getting better all the time. I saved big bucks when I converted my office to led. Cost a lot but pays off in less then 3 years. Last 9 do the math
@newteknj1 if u leave ur lights on often or if u have other electrical things in your home, then ur still wasting energy. Also, when ur lighting company decides to raise the prices, ur still not saving. LEDs last 3 years??? What planet are u living on? I know many ppl who thought just like u. they bought LEDs thinking that they were gona last and they lasted 9 months, TOPS. cant help but to sit here and laugh at u for using shitty lighting in ur home thinking ur saving and cleaning the earth.
I am amazed of ignorant people who just don't see the big picture and frankly show there foolishness for all to see. That junk you bought at the big box store is junk. Most likely 5 mm dip, LEDS. My company put in LED lighting almost three years ago , over 4000 pieces and have saved almost 600,000 dollars already on energy. We had 2 failures the whole time. I expect the lights to last three more years. Couldn't be happier.
Mr. Noreaga: You have no idea of what going on in this country as far as energy. My qualifications I am a Certified Energy Manager. I do audits on large properties for commercial users. I recommend all types of lighting and LED is by far the best there is on the market. CFL are junk. Most of my client use more energy in one hour then you, your entire family and all there friends will use in your entire life.
OMG, I read other post you have on here. Your a foolish, uninformed idiot that need to learn a lot more about the big picture before anyone takes you serious. Go on use your lights you want who cares. 2012 them incandescent lights are toast. CFL will be next and fluorescent after that. There a good transition but LED, O led, daylight harvesting and controls is what will make the difference. Look around. Cars and trucks, freezer cases, traffic lights, street lights, all changing.r
@newteknj1 dude, it doesnt matter what company u work for. Im not sure what country ur from but u need to learn some facts. 1st off, Incandescents are not being phased out 100%. There will me acceptions. Anything below 40watts, above 100watts, flood lights, appliance lighting, colored bulbs and rough suface lights are not included in the ban. Think b4 u make an ass outa urself. For being a "CERTIFIED ENERGY MANAGER" u know every little of whats going on here.
Use what you want. You are right. The green movement is BS. Its all about money anyway. The real users are the commercial users and the losers are your children and mine. Our Gov make law because people don't make good decisions and it has to be made for them and your a living example of that. You just don't see the big picture just your little piece of it. Save the comment...I have no time for debate. what do I care. As we come out of the recession energy will skyrocket
@newteknj 1 of the main reasons why energy will skyrocket is cuz as i said b4, many ppl leave their lights on when leaving a room. that rite there is wasting energy. It doesnt matter if u use incandescents, cfls or leds. leaving the lights on will still waste energy.i'm just grateful that we will still have SOME choice even after 2014 to what bulbs to use. i dont know about other countries but here in the US, some incandescents will be banned but they wont be banned entirely. have a nice day
@shdoug how do u figure im slamming someone?? I think the truth hurts you because MOST ppl like me will not bow down to your idiotic beliefs that cfls are good for the planet. the only "harm" that edison bulbs do is raise my light bill. which is fine by me cuz not only can i afford it, but the give off much better light, so to me its worth it. And since im paying for my light bill, i'l choose whatever bulbs suit me. u might wana get a box of kleenex and call the light bulb police on me now
Lighting is 7 -10% of whats used. Commercial properties is where energy needs to be saved. 1 dept store is equal to 3000 homes. Residential properties are a small % of what being used. Commercial load shedding, peak shifting, demand reduction, off peak storage, LED lighting, coolers, chillers and a host of other technologies are being utilized to the tune of hundreds of millions of KWH reduction. Everyone should do there share. My shitty lights save me 200 a month on my energy bill at home.
@newteknj1 i love how u say "Your shitty lights ave u 200 a month on ur billl" Well thats great to read and im happy for u. But there are people who do have money and who can afford to use incandescents. By what u said, its pretty clear that u would use shitty lighting in ur home just to save money. But hey, I'm not knocking it. I guess we all need to save money anywhere we can. Thats the choice u made. Just like it should be MY choice if i wana light my homes with BETTER LIGHTING quality.
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the sob sitting behind him is laughing most the time, he must think the citizens are a joke, he looks very untrustworthy, hope he's not involved with government anymore.
MoltenMozzarella 1 month ago
the sob sitting behind him is laughing most the time, he must think the citizens are a joke, he looks very untrustworthy, hope he's not involved with government anymore.
MoltenMozzarella 1 month ago
I agree with everything except for when he says crude oil is a good thing.
giantgreenbuddy 1 month ago
Not to mention the depression that sets in after you make the switch to CFL's
aberdeen14 1 month ago
Does anyone know what we can replace the energy mercury filled lightbulb with?
IWantAirClean 1 month ago
he forgot to mention the BABY food
maryjaneofthejungle 1 month ago
Throw em at wall street or congress during a protest.
PYSCOPOMP 1 month ago
the wave emitted from these bulbs also makes us tired and sickly
maryjaneofthejungle 1 month ago
YEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWW WE GET SOME MERCURY
nuclearthreat545 2 months ago
thanks you said it all for me,. well i am going to buy as many as i can for now,and its not the China shit incandescent light bulbs it has a P C chip in it
galegregory97comcast 2 months ago
Boy, I broke one about 2 years ago and never knew. I just swept it up like normal.
watuwaitn4 2 months ago
@watuwaitn4 and you are still alive :o)
YummmyPaige 2 months ago
@YummmyPaige ... Yes, believe it or not. I'll probably be diagnosed with mercury poisoning next year. :-{
watuwaitn4 2 months ago
Good points, he makes. But, not sure where in the Constitution any government is authorized to regulate/impose highway speed limits, emissions standards in cars, etc.
imrananwar 2 months ago 3
I'll buy black-market incandescents from China. ;) In fact, maybe I'll be the Al Capone of black-market incandescents and set up incandescent manufacturing shacks in the hills of Tennessee and have hillbillies run them from there to Chicago where I’ll sell them from secret locations with hidden doors. You’ll need a password to get in past my thugs. And we’ll have tommy gun fights in the streets over territory with rival bulb boot-legers. Prohibition worked out great for the Kennedy clan.
ramukantagara 3 months ago
The only time I've ever agreed with a Republican from Texas.
SPICESMUGGLER71 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well, there'd be no point in passing a bill to improve standards if all existing products already met that standard, would there? :-) Regarding brightness, I agree that the CFL manufacturers' claims were a little optimistic a few years ago--they were claiming about a 4:1 power ratio, i.e. a 23W CFL would take the place of a 100W incandescent. Their claims were founded in solid visual science, but unfortunately visual science isn't very exact, and a 3:1 ratio is probably realistic.
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 thanks for the reply. When you think about it, this so called "ban" is going to be very ineffective since many people prefer incandescents and have stocked up, like I have. as far as LEDs, maybe there's hope for them but i havent seen 1 LED with good light quality either. We'l just have to see what happens. The only great alternative i've seen so far are the Halogens. I even heard that they're still trying to build more efficiency into them.
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 Yes, they're working on halogens that get up to 30-40 lumens per watt, which is about three times as efficient as a regular incandescent, but still 2-3 times less efficient than an LED. To reach those efficiencies, halogens need a low voltage transformer and an infra-red reflective coating on the inside of the lamp capsule. They're a niche product, but if you're interested you could Google "halogen IR". But I've found some excellent LEDs--Home Depot and Lowes both carry a
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 product called "Ecosmart" which is a re-badged CREE CR6. It incorporates an additional red LED so it more closely matches the color that people expect from an incandescent. At $39 it isn't cheap, but if you're replacing a downlight can, it's actually pretty comparable to what you'd have to pay for an incandescent can housing with all the trims on the front.
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 so far, i havent seen any LEDs that even come close to the same color as we're used to seeing from incandescents. The only kind of LEDs i've seen so far are the ugly blueish colors. Almost the same as what u see from bike lights. I have no doubt that possibly LEDs will improve but that should be up to ME (the consumer) to decide that. Not the government. The fact that government wants to choose the type of light bulb for ppl is unbelievable. we'l see if LEDs improve in the future.
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 I can only encourage you to take a look at the latest products that are on display in home improvement stores. If you don't take a look, you'll never know. There are still some bad (blue) LEDs out there, of course. But part of the role of government is to set rules that enable us to live without harming each other. That's why the government sets speed limits on roads, why it sets safety standards for consumer products, why it requires you to have car insurance, etc etc.
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 if u really wana talk about "harming eachother" just remember that cfls contain mercury. some ppl may say there's very little of it. u and I both know that most ppl will not properly dispose them when they're dont so that "little mercury" will add up and turn into 1 huge mess. sorry my friend but i think that these tree huggers and liberals are hypocrates. we've been using incandescents for over 100 years and the planet didnt fall apart. its not that serious. thanks for the reply
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well I'm glad we're having a reasoned discussion about this--thanks. Regarding the mercury, coal-fired powerplants emit mercury by burning coal, so it ends up that incandescents actually use more mercury than CFLs, because they burn more coal. I can't post a URL in this message, but there's an article about this in Popular Mechanics from May 2007. Of course, if you live in a state that doesn't have any coal-fired power plants, then the CFL would emit more than the incandescent.
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 And of course, I assume that you and I would differ about the "planet falling apart".
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 possibly planet is falling apart but i dont believe that incandescent bulbs are helping to make this planet fall apart. Now, when u say "fall apart" i honestly hope that you're not going to tell me that incandescent bulbs are responsible for "global warming" because if so, discussions over..lol...think of it like this, most government buildings in the US use compact flourecent bulbs. that should be enough. And u wana talk about wasted energy? they leave their lights on 24/7
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 Ha, now you're talking my language. I just wrote an amendment to the California Building Code that requires new buildings to shut their lighting off at night when it isn't needed. If the amendment gets adopted it won't be law until 2013, and in the meantime I agree with you completely--it's shocking how many government buildings (and other buildings) have their lights switched on all night. A crazy waste of taxpayer money, if nothing else.
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 leaving any lights on whether its incandescents or flourecents is still a waste of energy. I dont mind government giving us more choice in bulbs. But what i dont like is them restricting my choices. Most ppl like me prefer the lighting from incandescents. As i told u i agree that we should have laws. But there has to be a line drawn. this light bulb ban is nonsense. If u ask me, government now a days is wayyyyy too much in people's shorts. And that usually causes problems
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 I can't think of a reason why light bulbs should be a special exception to that rule. Can you?
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 of course America should have laws. I agree that we shouldnt drive on the wrong side of the road because you might kill somebody. We shouldnt be allowed to take red lights because again, you might kill somebody. We shouldnt be allowed to purposly kill a human being. We're talking about a freaking light bulb for god sake. my incandescents arent doing any harm to anything but my own light bill. I think since im paying for my bill, i outa be the one to decide what light quality i want
noreaga12326 3 months ago
The trick to CFL’s is to avoid the ones Made in China. The catch? They’re all Made in China. Good luck!
xxblodydovexx 3 months ago
The representative is using the standard rhetorical tactic of misrepresenting his opponent's position. The EISA bill (which I've read in its entirety) doesn't ban incandescent bulbs, it only requires them to use less power. A future bill may ban incandescents completely, but that won't be until at least 2020 (the EISA bill does set an earliest possible date for that change, so it's actually protecting the incandescent market). Congrats to us, for getting the elected officials we deserve :-)
owenhowlett1 3 months ago
@owenhowlett1 to some extent you're right. However, there are incandescents that will not meet the standard. with that being said, IT IS a ban, and yes, by 2020, they're gona be stricter laws for light bulbs. This is the reason why i have stocked up. energy efficient bulbs save energy because their light output is about as bright as a match.
noreaga12326 3 months ago
Here goes some more BS; better purchase your "bulbs" (old style) pretty quick!
Katzarr 4 months ago
CFL's are nothing more than a transitional technology. Relatively soon, sales of LEDs will outpace CFLs. Already, there are LED options for almost all standard bulbs. They give off light of the same quality at a tiny fraction of the wattage, conserving enormous amounts of energy. You can see these LEDs at any Home Depot. Thanks to market demand, spurred by smart government policy, the prices on LEDs will soon drop to a point that anyone can afford.
Poe obviously didn't think this through.
BradNYC 4 months ago
@BradNYC again, if LEDs have improved and give off good light, it should be up to the consumer if they wana buy them or not. People like u want the world to live their lives being paranoid about every little thing. who cares if u think that LEDs or cfls are modern technology. if it were up to u,we would have to report to government to when we can eat, what bulbs to use or when to have sex. all u greenies are a bunch of busy bodies sticking ur noses where it dont belong. you're pathetic
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 In my comment, I made a reasoned argument that Poe might be wrong. In your comment, you did nothing more than lob insults at me and make assumptions about me. Let the reader decide which of us has a stronger leg to stand on.
BradNYC 4 months ago
@BradNYC ppl like you want everyone else to live their lives being paranoid about every little thing. i've read your previous comments b4 and the sad thing is, you live in the United States and you still dont appreciate freedom. whats great is that the majority of Americans are standing up to these crazy laws which is why the ban isnt gona mean anything after 2014, cuz even then, many ppl like me will still be using good old incandescent bulbs. this is the land of the free, not the land of gov.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 Your arguments have all the sophistication of an eight-year-old's. Taking your case to its logical conclusion, we should have no government regulation at all: No regulation of the food or water supply, no regulation of the drug industry, no pollution controls, no economic incentive programs, no building codes, no safety standards for anything, anywhere. May I suggest you take a basic course in government, so you can understand its role in civil society.
BradNYC 4 months ago
@BradNYC oh how clever. you're one of the hundreds of environmentalists who love making extreme comparisons to make your argument look good. Sure we should have laws. We shouldnt be allowed to take red lights because that puts ppls lives in danger, we shoudnt be allowed to drive on the wrong side of the road cuz again, ppls lives are in danger. We're talking about a freaking light bulb. we've been using incandescents for over 100 years and the planet didnt fall apart, so get off that BS already
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 I'm glad you agree we need some laws. Of course, reasonable people can disagree about the extent of regulation there needs to be. In the case of the lightbulb, technology has reached a point where it seems there are good reasons to create incentives for people to choose alternatives that save energy. The real effect on our freedom and quality of life will be negligible, and our energy bills will be lower. Why would we want to waste energy when we don't need to?
BradNYC 4 months ago
@BradNYC you dont seem to understand where im coming from. its not that i want to waste energy. I prefer incandescent bulbs because i prefer their light output. sure it costs me more to use it, but since im paying for my light bills, then why should you or government worry about it? see what i mean? its good that they have come up with alternatives for us but again, it should be up to me (the consumer) if i wana use these alternative bulbs.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 I can't stand the quality of light given off by CFLs, either, and I haven't bough any except for use in my closets. However, I did just buy a Philips LED bulb from Home Depot to replace an incandescent 60 watt bulb for a desk lamp. The light it gives off is indistinguishable from incandescent. It cost about $21, but uses only 12 watts. It will last approx 25X as long as regular incandescent. There are other brands, like EcoSmart, that cost about $8, but I can't vouch for them.
BradNYC 4 months ago
And thanks to industry competition, and the laws of supply and demand, the prices of these LEDs will fall precipitously in the next few years, and quality will improve. My point is, without government stepping in with sensible regulation to provide incentives for people to change their buying behavior, it would take a lot longer for us to adapt to energy-saving technologies.
BradNYC 4 months ago
@BradNYC you say that the quality of these things will improve. Again, thats not up to government to decide that. WE as consumers outa make that decisions. Just because YOU think they will improve, doesnt necessarily mean that everyone else will feel the same way. again i say, its good that we have more choices in bulbs but to restrict consumer choice is bad business. This is why many ppl such as myself have stocked up on a lot of incandescents.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 Government doesn't *decide* how these things will go. But government DOES have a role to play in providing incentives to business, using perhaps using taxation or regulation to alter the demand for items that are deemed "dangerous" or "wasteful." States do it all the time by taxing cigarettes, which damage people's health and arguably add to the health care costs of all Americans. Surely, government isn't the solution to all these things, but it does have a role to play.
BradNYC 4 months ago
@BradNYC you're right when u say that cigarettes damage ppls health. however, you, me nor government shouldnt decide whether or not ppl should be allowed to smoke cigarettes. again, if i wana "Waste" energy in my home, then im entitled to do so because im the guy paying for everything on here. Not the government. again i say, if cfls or leds were great alternatives, ppl will buy them. Government is too much in other ppls shorts.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@BradNYC ur taking about being wasteful? if these silly greenies were so worried about wasted energy, the white house would not leave their lights on all day and night. And it doesnt matter if they're using cfls or incandescents. Leaving lights on is still wasting energy. so thats hypocritical on governments part. im gona keep using good old incandescent bulbs until i see improvement on the efficient bulbs. Since im paying my light bill, i'l decide what bulbs i wana use
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@BradNYC Next, you're gona want government to ban mc donalds or Dairy Queen cuz of all of the high number of ppl here who are over weight and have health problems. All you greenies are a bunch of whiney little busy bodies who are always sticking their noses where it doesnt belong. when u start contributing to my rent, and electric bills, then perhaps u can tell me how much energy i can use. Until then, if i wana leave my incandescent lights, a/c and heaters on 24/7, then i will do so.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
he should have dropped it. no... he should have thrown it at some one, preferably the EPA.
KILLERKAMO13 4 months ago
Why has Prezbo's Job CZAR, shipped GE Union Jobs to "No EPA, No OSHA and No child labor law", China to Produce these Toxic Nightmares! YES NIGHTMARES! Chinese Workers are suffering the Effects of Mercury Poisoning from the production of these Bulbs! They are becoming 21st century "Mad Hatters"! WHY are we putting these Toxic Bulbs in our children's bedrooms? The Bulbs will change the color of a painted object. These bulbs are one of the more dumbest Ideas that Gore and the Left has forced on us!
Wardell43 4 months ago
Fragile? I've been using these bulbs for the last 4-5 years and have yet to break one.
colinsn201 4 months ago
I've got the constitution with me and it doesn't mention the government regulation of lightbulbs.No shit.Maybe they regulated oil lamps.
bozolazic 4 months ago
lol this guy just gave me a brilliant way to kill someone that involves a so called energy saving light bulb a hammer and a gas mask
grsesesesesesesesese 4 months ago
LMAO
octavoch 4 months ago
CFL"S ARE A FIRE HAZARD! They Contain MERCURY too!
BUY REAL LIGHT BULBS WHILE YOU CAN!
begining in 2012 they will be Banned in the USA
Checkerholic 4 months ago
Why is he so against this? This motherfucker has to be trolling.
blarghwastaken 5 months ago
@blarghwastaken Ted Poe is addressing the over reach of government telling people what light bulbs they can use. I dont think its anyones business if we wana use incandescents, cfls or leds. i think YOU'RE trolling since u seem to be in favor of government controlling your way of living
noreaga12326 5 months ago 2
@noreaga12326 Yeah especially if they're all made in china. There are lightbulbs that are 100% safe and even biodegradable that can be made in our country..
giantgreenbuddy 1 month ago
What a fucking idiot. Is this guy really a representative? Is this real?
blarghwastaken 5 months ago
@blarghwastaken
Yes this is real!
CFL"S ARE A FIRE HAZARD! They Contain MERCURY too!
BUY REAL LIGHT BULBS WHILE YOU CAN!
begining in 2012 they will be Banned in the USA
Checkerholic 4 months ago
He's a brazen Sausage-Loving male, And shameless.....
Tmetrvlr 5 months ago
Texas Drought Now Far, Far Worse Than When Gov. Rick Perry Issued Proclamation Calling on All Texans to Pray for Rain : thinkprogress . org/romm/2011/07/15/270485/minnesota-temperatures-extreme-bachmann-and-pawlenty/ ---- ClimateProgress . org
gregjalbert 6 months ago
MERCURY!!!!
SUCK IT~
or vaccine it
need another filling?
doesn't matter when it's in the ground water or aquafurs
Sounds like the systematic dumbing down of the slave class.
azis1100 6 months ago
Mr. Poe puts out a LOT of false information. First of all fluorescents have been around for a very long time and were used successfully by Nicolo Tesla the inventor of AC (alternating current) which made our current electrical grid possible. They are NOT particularly dangerous and ARE much more efficient. I have heard savings estimates of $20 BILLION annually for America. Mr. Poe want a piece of that $20 BILLION in his campaign coffers since he mostly represents energy companies.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
He should have thrown the bulb down and broke it...but that might be an act of terrorism.
MsPopeye1977 7 months ago
G.E. is happy. Obama's boy, Immelt shut down G.E. manufacturing of light bulbs immediately and shipped production off to China. The price of the mandated bulbs is $5 - $7 vs $.60 for the incandescent. G.E. stands to make a fortune.
Write speaker Boehner and demand that he keep his promise & force that fool, Congressman Fred Upton, who co-sponsored the original bill as co-chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee to repeal it.
D25M 7 months ago
Obama has finally provided a great business opportunity for the "little guy." Big bucks to be made in incandescent light bulbs on the black market. Again, the "little guy" can get back to being an entrepreneur.
Perfect timing. If it's not the 9.1% unemployment rate, the terrible economy, gas prices hovering at $3.30 a gallon, or the undeclared war in Libya, it will be the mandatory LED bulb that will seal Obama's fate.
DwightSimpson 7 months ago
@DwightSimpson $3.30 a gallon? where do you live, mines 3.69 for the cheap stuff.
MsPopeye1977 7 months ago
The real issue, of course, is that hardly anybody had heard of this law until it was passed. The public doesn't like getting things sprung on them without any consultation, especially if it affects their daily lives. Ultimately, things like this undermine the People's trust in, and therefore the power of, their government.
CountOrsino 7 months ago
We pay 5X more for electricity on my island, so I guess we'll save about $900 per year. Cool! I broke one the other day and guess what, no HAZMAT, no problem! How much mercury is in the regular fluorescent bulbs, and no one complains about the millions of tubes in office buildings. I've never turned on a CFL bulb and had it not work. They always work! Mine look great and light up fast; guests can't even tell they're CFLs. People cried and screamed about cars when they were invented, too.
shdoug 7 months ago
@shdoug You miss the point entirely. Nobody is saying people can't buy CFL bulbs, if they choose. The key phrase being "if they choose." I have no problem with that.
The problem I have is when somebody else infringes on my freedom of choice. If I choose to purchase incandescent light bulbs, then so be it. So, please quit infringing on my rights. Or, show me in the constitution where it says the federal government is required to oversee lighting. It isn't there, Bub.
DwightSimpson 7 months ago
@DwightSimpson Read the PreAmble to the Constitution to see that the American PEOPLE through their representatives in Congress can and should make America better for coming generations and that is precisely what flourescent lighting does.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas so what you're pretty much saying is that cfls and the other florecents we've been using for decades is the same thing. I love the flourecent bulbs we've been using for decades but why would i wana put ONLY flourecent lighting in my house?? Unless i wana turn my house looking like the inside of an office. I'm not 100% sure about the mercury in them but i do know that most cfls have many false promises and they're expensive. I think i'l stick with NORMAL and cheaper bulbs.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@exenrontexas The fact that u said that "congress can make american better" is all a matter of opinion. Freedom in this country is slowly being chipped away by all you mentally challenged greenies telling ppl how they should live their lives. Worry about YOU live ur life and butt out. I"m the guy who owns the house and I'm the guy whos paying for my light bill. So its nobody's business if i wana use "inefficient bulbs". All you tree huggers and congress can kiss my ass. I'm sticking with incands
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 Wrong. America is built on the principle that we are government with the consent of the governed. If you don't like what the government does then change it, if you can. Take up the challenge and inform your fellow citizens and your representatives and see...IF they believe you. I don't. Your head is filled with hogwash and we live in a world of laws. You are determined to remain...stupid.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas of course the US has laws. But there should be a line drawn somewhere. Government deciding for people what light bulbs that should use is crossing the line. Since you dont mind government telling u the kind of lifestyle you should live, then YOU are the stupid one. You and all your tree hugging friends are busy bodies and are too much into other peoples pants. When the government, congress or you pay my light bill, then u can decide how to light my house. Until then, BUTT OUT
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 WRONG AGAIN. The line as you call it is drawn NOT by YOU but by the Constitution. So if you wish to continue to be stupid then I suggest to file a Federal lawsuit and go for it. Good luck with that. And while you are waiting to the case to come to trial I suggest you reade the Preamble to the Constitution and pay special attention to the part about "promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas u can rant on all u want. Statistics speak the truth. Most Americans like me have stocked up on enough light bulbs to last us a life time. Freedom certainly does come with responsiblity and laws but as i said b4, a line has to be drawn somewhere. If people thought like you, we'd have to report to government for taking a shit, using toilet paper and when to eat. This so called "ban" is worthless. incandescents will wind up in our homes and we'l still be using them after 2014.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@exenrontexas if u wana live your life having government up your ass 24-7 thats your business. But most people dont need government telling them how they should live their lives. Next, you're gona tell me that inefficient bulbs are responsible for climate change. All you leaf eaters are a bunch of paranoid busy bodies who worry about how others live and not yourselves. I said it b4 and i'l say it again, until you pay my light bill, then u can tell me what bulbs to use. Go hug on a tree now.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well your hyperbole is inferesting but still wrong. I am a citizen who respects the Constitution and the men who wrote it and I cannot recall ever hugging a tree though I own many. I do use electricity but am not eager to waste it as you are. The Congressman who introduced the legislation encouraging electricity waste is my congressman, Ted Poe, and I have spoke to him many times about his scatterbrained ideas, In the end he admitted that he was bought off by...BIG OIL, like you.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas your thing seems to be about energy savings and my thing is the looks on these lights. I use incands. cuz they're cheap and they give off nicer light. CFLs give off gloomy greenish light. I dont know too much about LEDs yet but i've seen a few of them and their light doesnt look that pleasing either. If you wana make your home look like the inside of a hospital waiting room, go for it. I dont care how efficient cfls are.if their light quality looks like shit, im not using them
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 @noreaga12326 Of course, my home lighting looks normal and is not gloomy in any way. Clearly you have either bought the wrong products or been mislead by the likes of my Congressman, Ted Poe. What I DO take exception to is the rule of law and the obvious manipulation of public opinion by my Congressman for political gain. Do you really think the light bulb police will show up at your door to take your incandescents away? Seek help for your mental condition.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas If i thought that the lightbulb police was going to show up at my door, then i guess i would have no choice but to use the ugly efficient bulbs. You enjoy government coming into your own home telling you what products to buy, when to eat, when to shit, and when to watch tv. I'm sure that you believe that "efficient bulbs" will stop the melting of the nice in the Artic. i think YOU'RE the one with the mental condition. Good luck leaf eater
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 It is clear that you have drunk Mr. Poe's fear mongering kool aid to the fullest. It is also clear from your mispelled words that you were home schooled. The Constitution says that the government is BY, FOR and OF the PEOPLE. And if you are afraid of that then I understand why you have gotten so much wrong in your life. Good luck with you sitting trembling, clutching your incandescent bulb sitting at your door waiting for the bulb police. I think I go eat a nice salad. Bye.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas You post so much about "the light bulb police" u make me wonder if you actually are the lighrt bulb police. Come arrest me for having incandescents. I wouldnt even doubt it if you're dialing 911 now telling the cops that i have a stash of incandescents. Amazing how good i am at getting you upset. You're so angry you ATTEMPT to put them down when they disagree with your views. Just made my point for me. WE ARE THE PEOPLE. NOT, we are the government. Again, ur the government's pet
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 Yawn. Suggested reading "the US Constitution" and "Mental Health for Dummies". Bye.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas sounds like a perfect subject for you. maybe then u'l appreciate freedom more. don't yawn too much, all that mercury u inhaled has already damaged your brain cells. have a good night, leaf eater
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 It appears that I am not the only citizen which you have attacked for supporting the Constitution and mental health. Seriously you need counseling or mental health otherwise you are going to go postal. I do not want to read about you in some newspaper where you have shot some Congresswoman over imagined wrongs. Get help soon.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas you keep talking about "getting mental help" and now you're talking about "going postal". Old man, my apologies for making you mad on a utube video. Liberals like you are the ones who need mental help. For believing in "man-made climate change". I would of thought that at your old age, u would know better than that. Good luck in life.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 Your apologies gladly accepted but I am curious why you have made such and effort to pick this fight with so many other as the record clearly indicates. I never originally posted to you so why such a vitriolic and hateful response to me when I was only trying to expose the stupidity and corruption of my own Congressman. I have met him and challenged him many times and he is only a tool of the big oil companies who want America to waste energy. He is not patriotic at all.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas My posts towards you wasnt meant to be hateful. I just simply think its wrong for government to tell people how to live their lives. This bulb ban has proven to be insane. CFLs have many false promises and they're expensive. Plus most light fixtures we have in our homes only support incandescents. Which means that cfls dont work in most of those fixtures. Theres no way im spending my hard earn money on replacing fixtures for gloomy lighting.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@exenrontexas 1 way that we can save energy is to turn off lights when leaving the room. you'd be surprised at how that could lower your energy bill by doing that.I dont doubt what u say about toe poe possibly being a liar in some things. Hell, everybody has lied once or twice in their lives. But what hes saying here makes sense to me.next, they're gona ban mc donalds cuz theres a lot of over weight ppl. Sure, its not good 4 u but i think ppl outa have the right to eat there if they want.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 Poe is a former judge and a professional liar. Most politicians tell lies but Poe tell some real whoppers. He picks on hot button topics and them plays to the outrage factor in some people. I used to hear the corporate executives laugh about how their political toadies would push people's hot buttons just for fun. It had nothing at all with what was right or for political freedoms, just for entertainment and to prove that they could. Rush Limbaugh is an expert at that.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas i dont doubt what you're saying about poe being a liar. U said it yourself, most politicans are liars and feel like they have to lie just to get votes. Although I dont know him like u say you do, I'm only going by what i hear him saying in this video. The only thing i may question is the mercury. I'm aware that cfls have little mercury but when u think about all the cfls that will be dumped in landfills, all that little mercury will add up to one big mess.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 It is true that mercury is a toxic substance but it is also true that fluorescent bulbs have been around almost as long as incandescents with no noticeable negative effect. The mercury issue is yet another fear mongering used by would be demogogues like POE to bring terror and apprehension into the minds of the public. Poe's goal always has been and continues to be to encourage waste of electricity because he has been bought off by big energy companies, plain and simple.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas again, many politicians lie to get into office. I dont believe hes encouraging people to waste electricity. as u know, CFLs are widely available now.Many people don't use them simply because they dont like them. So whats governments solution? Force them on people. As i said several times, the only way government is going to tell me what bulbs i can use is if he starts paying my light bill. Until then, i'm sticking with my incandescents which are cheaper and give off nicer light.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well in a sense the government IS paying for your light bill. He is how. First of all large corporations have almost universally gone over to fluorescents and have for many years. It is all about money and the personal freedom you espouse is meaningless to them. Secondly they are the largest single user of electricity of anyone in the US. By that I mean that no individual uses more electricity than any single homeowner. WHO pay the lowest rates? Corps. WHO gets to write off it?
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas The only way that i see this so called "ban" making a difference is if virtually NOBODY uses incandescents. And u already know that wont happen. Look at the millions of ppl that have stocked up. In fact, the building that i live in was switched to compact flourecent lights back in 2006. I guess the owner heard about the ban because now my building is back to old fashion candlebra incandescents. the ban will probably be effective for the next generation. But not this one.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@exenrontexas by the way, not all incandescents are going to be banned. There are plenty that will still be available. anything under 40watts, specialty bulbs (candelabra, colored bulbs, bug lights)rough service lights and appliance lights will continue to be available. And as u know, halogens are incandescent bulbs that meet the standards. So thank god i wont be stuck with ONLY cfls or leds.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
@exenrontexas I don't know where to begin. Your posts regarding this video demonstrate how misguided you are. Rep. Poe & talk radio hosts like Rush are trying to warn you & others of the loss of liberty & freedom that results from an over-sized, over-reaching gov't & you respond to their efforts by calling them liars. I know that I can't change your view point, but I can assure you that gov't will never, ever be the solution to any of our problems. You should learn from Poe & Rush.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 Poe and Rush are part of the force of evil fascists trying to deceive a small minority of Americans backed by treasonous powerful corporations into overthrowing democracy in America, assassinating the president, disbanding Congress and suspending the Constitution. It will minority rule like it was in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. IF you do not like my democracy based America then...LEAVE IT and go to where Poe and Rush have their money, the Cayman islands, Bahamas or Switzerland.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about! It sounds like paranoid delusions to me! The point I made earlier stands. America is becoming a socialist nation like those in Europe (i.e. Greece) that have had stagnant economic growth & not nearly the standard of living Americans have enjoyed for the past 50+ years. We are losing our REPUBLIC to big gov't tyranny. This has nothing to do with Ted Poe or Rush Limbaugh. Our problem is LIBERALISM, esp. the current Obama Regime!
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 I agree with your point about America becoming a socialist country, a NATIONAL SOCIALIST aka NAZI country. You should do a little research before embarrassing your parents and teachers. Who receives the greatest welfare? Large corporations, every year. Benito Mussolini said that fascism more properly should be called corporatism where government exists for the sake of large corporations. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS are handed out to corps every year & they spirit their money OUT of the US
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas So how do we get big business out of big gov't, eh? Looks like to me they're in bed together so the whole system is corrupt. The reason corps. send their money overseas is to avoid the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Our jobs are going overseas b/c of over-regulation (EPA, OSHA, FDA, FTC, etc.) & the cost of employing workers here. As I see it, the overall problem is big gov't that is snuffing out economic opportunity & jobs.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 WRONG AGAIN. It is not regulation forcing jobs overseas but rather the fact that some other countries like COMMUNIST Red China practice FORCED LABOR aka slavery. That is precisely what the GOP wants to return to America. Much of the tax loopholes for big business encourage that. It is true that I worked for ENRON and I saw them pay NO TAX AT ALL in four out of five years and & many more. They got most of the TEXAS GOP elected including Bush, Cornyn, Hutchinson, DeLay, Gramm & Armey
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas You've got it BACKWARDS. Communism is on the left side of the political spectrum. Communism is total gov't control. Conservatives & Republicans are on the right side & we want less gov't & more liberty & freedom. Conservatism is what our Founding Fathers espoused. There is no question that is a lot of corruption in business & politics, but I don't know anyone on the right that wants what you describe, esp. me!
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 Go read the Preamble to the Constitution and then rethink your twisted statements. There is no one on the right who will admit the truth of their goals but the end of democracy in America has been their goal for a long time. Example: When FDR began the New Deal a group of conservative Republican robber barrons plotted the overthrow of the Federal government to assassinate the president, disband Congress and suspend the Constitution. Search for the BUSINESS PLOT for details.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas Good grief, dude! You want me to take responsibility for something that happened 50+ yrs. ago?!?And I'm supposed to believe that's the Republican Party goal today?!? I will be more than glad to "admit" what I believe in: Limited Gov't, Liberty, Freedome & Opportunity. Got it? Now get off your meds.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 The SAME groups with the SAME goals are around today. The plotters were J P Morgan, the Goodyear, Remington and DuPont families and...PRESCOTT BUSH. Prescott was a known fascist sympathizer and his company was confiscated for supporting the Nazis during WWII. All the rest made MILLION from WWI when a million dollars was a whole lot of money. Their goal was and still is to set up a fascist dictatorship in America. Compare their goals and John Birch and dozens more to fascism.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas You're talking about ancient history, dude! We just had 2 Bush's as President & they didn't turn this country into "facism". You might want to worry more about what's going today with Barack Hussein Obama & his liberal, socialist Democrats in Congress like Reid & Pelosi, who are trying to bankrupt our country & turn us into Greece. Obamacare if fully implemented will be the final nail in our collective coffins. It ain't Bush's fault!
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 We it IS Bush's fault and he DID turn America strongly toward fascism. Google Naomi Wolf or view he video right here on youtube on the twelve points of fascism. OH, BTW, America is the ONLY industrialized nation in the WORLD who doesn't have national healthcare and they are 14th in healthcare quality and number one in cost. Healthcare reform was LONG OVERDUE.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas Bush is no longer in office or in power! Get over it. You should focus on the destruction that Barack Hussein Obama is doing right now in front of your eyes! There are NO jobs. We're about to lose our AAA credit rating b/c Obama & the Democrats in Congress have spent us into oblivion. We didn't get health care reform, you jackass! We got a 2,000+ page of legislation that no one read. It was a total gov't takeover of 1/6th of our economy. I urge you to study national health care.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@exenrontexas "National Health Care" has been a disaster everywhere it's been implemented. Google Romneycare & educate yourself. That 14th ranking you keep quoting is just one study's opinion. I ask you again...why did Canada's Prime Minister have heart surgery in Chicago if Canada's "national health care" is so f'g wonderful? Doctors are already retiring or leaving the industry. Waiting times are longer. Care will get rationed.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@exenrontexas If listening to Rep. Poe in this video isn't enough to convince you that gov't isn't the solution to our health care "problems" (real or otherwise), then you simply aren't going to "GET IT". Think about this the next time you are standing in line at the Post Office or DMV. Please read "Entitlement Bandits" on National Review's website if you need further convincing. The numbers are staggering & unsustainable.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 WRONG AGAIN. BTW I have listened to Mr. Poe many times in his rants at my kids schools and at veterans groups. He was booed on Memorial Day at the VA cemetery in Houston. AND it was REAGAN who caused the SS short fall by exempting the income of the rich and powerful from the SS deductions. My sister died four years ago when her PRIVATE HMO denied her life extending treatments and sent her home to die. HMOs have had death panels for many years and have killed many citizens.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas Good grief! Poe is reading directly out of the EPA guidelines for these supid new lightbulbs. So I guess you think it's just fine for the gov't to tell all of us what lightbulbs we can use, what food we can eat, what clothes we can wear, etc., etc. Why are you ranting about Reagan. He's been dead for more than a decade & he did not bankrupt SS. It's a damn ponzi scheme from the get go! Congress put SS "trust fund" money in general fund & spent it!
poodin2011 6 months ago
@exenrontexas Have you Googled Romneycare yet? This is not rocket science. Obamacare & Romneycare are very similar "programs" both with the individual mandate. Romneycare is a disaster. It didn't save money & didn't provide better care & it is quickly becoming a state budget fiscal nightmare. I don't know how else I can convince you that Obamacare was a big mistake. You obviously want gov't to run your life (and death). Your HMO didn't deny the treatments-they just didn't pay for them!
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 I am not at all surprised that any program designed by the current crop of Republicans is a disaster but since it in NO WAY applies to me I am not interested in it. I believe the best healthcare program would be Medicare for all WITHOUT the obscene exemptions done by Reagan. It would be fully funded, efficient and not restrictive in any way. Medicare does NOT block any private insurance plan and enables and efficient. My sister paid FULLY for treatments and didn't receive them.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas Yo, dude. Not a single Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. Now I know for sure that you are just another uninformed liberal. Get lost. We're done.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@exenrontexas And you still haven't done your DD on Romneycare, have you? Lazy dolt! Stay stupid. It won't affect me at all.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@exenrontexas I stand corrected. ONE Republican in the House (Joseph Cao of LA) voted for Obamacare. The vote was 220 Yes & 215 No. In the Senate, NO Republicans voted Yes. The vote there was 60-39. You really need to learn how to read & use Google. Your sister paid for treatments that someone refused to give her? You are full of shit.
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 You need to be corrected about many things since you are delusional. Stop embarrassing your parents and teachers by disgracing yourself, numbnuts. My sister pay over $10,000/year for health insurance and when it came to give her treatments the lawyers for her HMO denied them to her. They said they weren't normal or customary. Of course, it wasn't normal or customary for her to get cancer. That is always the trick that the private death panels use when they don't want to pay.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas I'm only going to explain this to you ONE MORE TIME. The HMO & insurance companies didn't DENY TREATMENT for a damn thing. They simply refused to pay for it. Your sister should have borrowed the money & gotten the treatments on her own. Her family should have helped her. You conveniently don't respond to my FACTS b/c you can't. FACTS are very stubborn things b/c no matter how bitter & delusional YOU are, you can't change them. Death panels? Wait til Obamacare is implemented!
poodin2011 6 months ago
@poodin2011 The ONLY deathpanels that America has seen are PRIVATE healthcare death panels. For you denial is far more than a river in Egypt. Insurance companies are murderers and since you excuse them you are immoral. Case closed.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas You haven't responded to anything I've said & you haven't disputed any of my facts. "Insurance companies are murderers". Wow. Cancer killed your sister. Pay for your own damn health care & shut the f up!
I'm done. You are hopeless.
poodin2011 5 months ago
@poodin2011 The NEOCONS ruled the BUSH White House so who are these NEOCONS and where did the come from. They universally admit that their guru was Leo Strauss. Strauss came to America on a Rockefeller grant arranged by Prescott BUSH, Fritz Thyssen and Carl Schmitt. Thyssen was the German industrialist who financed Hitler's rise to power and Carl Schmitt was Hitler's lawyer. Both Rockefeller & Prescott aided the Nazis during WWII. Strauss had a big problem. He was Jewish & a fascist proselyte.
exenrontexas 6 months ago
@exenrontexas nope, he is dillusional and goes after anyone that is rational. He has been attacking me for a couple years now. He is a real mental midget, dont take it personal. :)
stickedU 6 months ago
@shdoug Wow, dude! You are what is referred to as a "useful idiot". You find a way to defend having your liberty & freedom stolen from you & feel good about boasting about your stupidity! Truly amazing. Line up with the rest of the lemmings & jump off a cliff! You can't fix stupidity like yours. You will live in total ignorance for the remainder of your life on Earth. What a shame...
poodin2011 6 months ago
Cfls are great saves money and I have never had one of mine burn out on me yet. Plus its been proven mercury in small amounts is good for you.....builds up immune system defenses.
stickedU 7 months ago
@stickedU The average savings from these toxic killers is around 180 dollars a year. The landfills will be full of these toxic time bombs. After a while the accumulative concentration will seep into the ground water. We'll see just how good for you these nasty little things are. More unintended consequences from the radicals at the EPA. Americans should have a choice, not a mandate from China. Shame on Congress!
GIZZYINDY 7 months ago
search for "tcp one light"
MrRickiebobby 7 months ago
tcp is the way to go
MrRickiebobby 7 months ago
this is the US in a nut shell.....we will tell YOU what we want.....not the other way around.
PHILUPBOL 7 months ago
Thank you! Have posted on fb
Liberty1791Man 8 months ago
What some people don't know is that to compensate with new legislation, home/business owners are just putting in MORE light fixtures or putting in non-recommended higher wattages to ensure they still get the light output needed! What actually is accomplished then by the mandate? Equal energy used and/or fire hazards. How is that a win?
eLightBulbs 8 months ago
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jUST HOW MANY AMERICANS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB!
isher69 8 months ago
Republicans fear the government only because there are republicans in the government and nobody loves enforcing even the silliest laws than a law-abiding republican. The problem with Democracy to a republican is that in a democracy we the people have a voice and think for themselves rather than 'carry around a copy of the constitution in the back pocket" as poe does, ready to bad dog somebody anybody walking slow enough to hear this crap. "Goodbye to Thomas edisons invention"? WTF!
taopants 8 months ago
Republicans fear the government only because there are republicans in the government and nobody loves enforcing even the silliest laws than a law-abiding republican. The problem with Democracy to a republican is that in a democracy we the people have a voice and think for themselves rather than 'carry around a copy of the constitution in the back pocket" as poe does, ready to bad dog somebody anybody walking slow enough to hear this crap. "Goodbye to Thomas edisons invention"? WTF!
taopants 8 months ago
@taopants We the American people do not live in a democracy. "Democracy" is mob rule. We're supposed to live in a constitutionally elected representative Republic. But we are currently living in an oligarchy with a two party system scam. Check this youtube vid:
watch?v=qhNobpG_4fQ
Nothing in the US Constitution says anything about "democracy" if you have actually studied it in high school like I did when I was a boy. You can read the US Constitution at usconstitution(dot)net.
Chumsly 8 months ago
@taopants "Least government is the best government." - Thomas Jefferson
"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
"I must study politics and war, that my sons may have the liberty to study mathematics and philosophy."- John Adams
Chumsly 8 months ago
The 20 dislikes must have been from people who were using CFLs that interfered with their ability to process the information.
moorespeedr 8 months ago
Hey everyone I know Noreaga.. He is a person who was sexually abused when he was a child. So he has alot of agression towards authority. His dad was a minister at a small church. He really abused him badly. Its sad so show sympathy for this sad older man. He is very angry now towards government and policies it tries to enact in law. Its okay though we understand it now. Why he is grumpy. I have contacted him to try to make him feel better about himself, still trying though.
stickedU 8 months ago
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noreaga12326 8 months ago
@stickedU lol.. the fact that u post false statements about people clearly shows how angry i got you. i am amazed at how i have that affect on you, even thru a u tube video. all the things ur saying about "abuse" shows that YOU were probably abused as a child. you're probably one of those pyschos who write countless letters to congress and cry over what they do. Most ppl who look at ur moronic statements in other videos will see how angry u are because most ppl dont wana be ruled by government
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@stickedU umm why would you make a cruel comment about somebody who was sexually abused? Everybody has a right to speak out their opinions. Is this what you do when somebody disagrees with your views? you were the one who probably has been abused as a kid. just by what you say i can tell that who ever took care of you treated you horrible. or maybe you got picked on in school as a kid. you don't have to agree with the views on this debate. i agree with the other posts. the ban is stupid
alex45598 8 months ago
and thats just the way it is! Thank You Congressman Poe
JuniperSage1 8 months ago
I agree with him 100%!! These new CFL's SUCK and are dangerous!!! The light is not very good, either!!!
Rtfune 9 months ago
I had these new bulbs in my house, but not now. I had a Sylvania bulb catch on fire in a light fixture. I was home and caught it, but in that short time, the hard base on the bulb had started to melt. I called Sylvania and told them about this. They said, "Oh it would have gone out eventually." Yeh, like when it burnt my house down. Check the internet and you will see lots of other people had this same problem. They should not make us use these bulbs!
bushel1000 9 months ago
what a tool!
wdgeo 10 months ago
I've often wondered, aren't powerplants similar to alternators on cars. If anyone knows more about this please enlighten me. They spin at a constant speed and produce at constant amount of electrical energy. Should everyone turn off all their light in America at the same time, it's not like they turn the generators off because don't they have to produce the power to have it availible? Obviously, they start more generators for peek months, but isn't that to hit a specific wattage target?
mindeloman 10 months ago
great stuff which is why our lights are the best
easylightbulbs 10 months ago
TED POE is the man. We need a lot more ppl like him to run for office so that we can kick out these moron liberals who think they know it all
noreaga12326 10 months ago
I am amazed at how some people like to make comment on something they know little about. First off LED as headlight are not going to happen anytime soon. Its all about cost. LM/watt ids achievable. As far a led's in down lighting and general lighting that here now. saving from 50 to 85 %. We have little choices right now. The technology is getting better all the time. I saved big bucks when I converted my office to led. Cost a lot but pays off in less then 3 years. Last 9 do the math
newteknj1 10 months ago
@newteknj1 if u leave ur lights on often or if u have other electrical things in your home, then ur still wasting energy. Also, when ur lighting company decides to raise the prices, ur still not saving. LEDs last 3 years??? What planet are u living on? I know many ppl who thought just like u. they bought LEDs thinking that they were gona last and they lasted 9 months, TOPS. cant help but to sit here and laugh at u for using shitty lighting in ur home thinking ur saving and cleaning the earth.
noreaga12326 10 months ago
I am amazed of ignorant people who just don't see the big picture and frankly show there foolishness for all to see. That junk you bought at the big box store is junk. Most likely 5 mm dip, LEDS. My company put in LED lighting almost three years ago , over 4000 pieces and have saved almost 600,000 dollars already on energy. We had 2 failures the whole time. I expect the lights to last three more years. Couldn't be happier.
newteknj1 10 months ago
Mr. Noreaga: You have no idea of what going on in this country as far as energy. My qualifications I am a Certified Energy Manager. I do audits on large properties for commercial users. I recommend all types of lighting and LED is by far the best there is on the market. CFL are junk. Most of my client use more energy in one hour then you, your entire family and all there friends will use in your entire life.
newteknj1 10 months ago
OMG, I read other post you have on here. Your a foolish, uninformed idiot that need to learn a lot more about the big picture before anyone takes you serious. Go on use your lights you want who cares. 2012 them incandescent lights are toast. CFL will be next and fluorescent after that. There a good transition but LED, O led, daylight harvesting and controls is what will make the difference. Look around. Cars and trucks, freezer cases, traffic lights, street lights, all changing.r
newteknj1 10 months ago
@newteknj1 dude, it doesnt matter what company u work for. Im not sure what country ur from but u need to learn some facts. 1st off, Incandescents are not being phased out 100%. There will me acceptions. Anything below 40watts, above 100watts, flood lights, appliance lighting, colored bulbs and rough suface lights are not included in the ban. Think b4 u make an ass outa urself. For being a "CERTIFIED ENERGY MANAGER" u know every little of whats going on here.
noreaga12326 10 months ago
Use what you want. You are right. The green movement is BS. Its all about money anyway. The real users are the commercial users and the losers are your children and mine. Our Gov make law because people don't make good decisions and it has to be made for them and your a living example of that. You just don't see the big picture just your little piece of it. Save the comment...I have no time for debate. what do I care. As we come out of the recession energy will skyrocket
newteknj1 10 months ago
@newteknj 1 of the main reasons why energy will skyrocket is cuz as i said b4, many ppl leave their lights on when leaving a room. that rite there is wasting energy. It doesnt matter if u use incandescents, cfls or leds. leaving the lights on will still waste energy.i'm just grateful that we will still have SOME choice even after 2014 to what bulbs to use. i dont know about other countries but here in the US, some incandescents will be banned but they wont be banned entirely. have a nice day
noreaga12326 10 months ago
@noreaga12326 Next time when you try to slam someone, try using correct spelling and punctuation. It looks a bit more meaningful that way.
shdoug 10 months ago
@shdoug how do u figure im slamming someone?? I think the truth hurts you because MOST ppl like me will not bow down to your idiotic beliefs that cfls are good for the planet. the only "harm" that edison bulbs do is raise my light bill. which is fine by me cuz not only can i afford it, but the give off much better light, so to me its worth it. And since im paying for my light bill, i'l choose whatever bulbs suit me. u might wana get a box of kleenex and call the light bulb police on me now
noreaga12326 10 months ago
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@noreaga12326 Next time when you try to slam someone, try using correct spelling and punctuation. It looks a bit more meaningful that way.
shdoug 10 months ago
Lighting is 7 -10% of whats used. Commercial properties is where energy needs to be saved. 1 dept store is equal to 3000 homes. Residential properties are a small % of what being used. Commercial load shedding, peak shifting, demand reduction, off peak storage, LED lighting, coolers, chillers and a host of other technologies are being utilized to the tune of hundreds of millions of KWH reduction. Everyone should do there share. My shitty lights save me 200 a month on my energy bill at home.
newteknj1 10 months ago
@newteknj1 i love how u say "Your shitty lights ave u 200 a month on ur billl" Well thats great to read and im happy for u. But there are people who do have money and who can afford to use incandescents. By what u said, its pretty clear that u would use shitty lighting in ur home just to save money. But hey, I'm not knocking it. I guess we all need to save money anywhere we can. Thats the choice u made. Just like it should be MY choice if i wana light my homes with BETTER LIGHTING quality.
noreaga12326 10 months ago