it looks to me like alternating the cell fluid intakes will increase the currant leakage distance some but the shortest distance now is between alternating cells along the same supply channel, sorry if this was brought up I did not read all the Q & A s
Zero, am I missing something? It would seem that you still get leakage current, because the channel is open, so leakeage current still passes the next plate. Or did you glue ever other plate channel shut?
You talk about leakage current zig zagging across the bottom. But dont you fill the cell well above the gas holes? If so, you will get current leakage on top aswell.
the design looks like it relies on the positive pressure of the hho gas to displace the electrolyte from the top recess. If you look at the end of this vid, there is evidence to show that the top half of the call remains dry due to the gas displacing the electrolyte, What Z has done will reduce the pressure in the cell, allowing more contact area on the plates to be utilized, which wil/should produce more gas, which will fill the enlarged opening he has created. I hope z didnt go to big though.
Im thinking its to big. Def not enough gas flow to keep those gas chambers dry with holes that big. I was thinking about designing a new one with tubes running out of each cavity up to the clear tube. Also wanted to run tubes from the sides of the cavity up to the clear tube but below the water line to keep the cells full. Current would have a very long way to travel up to the tube and back down to another cell. Leakage would almost be non exsistent then.
Slept on what you wrote here and woke with the answer. Create a 1/4" thick baffle from another pvc ring further toward the center of the cell, blocking the gas outlet channel from going straight up and out. That way it forces a pocket of HHO to build up at the top of the cell before the gas escapes.
Au5... are you suggesting a dry cell submersed in an electrolyte bath container vs. having an external reservoir? Reminds me of brute force with the bonus of being able to run full voltage. Hmmm You could run the cell output to the top of the T-cell bath.
naw jstu looking for soemthign that is slightly more modular, i am planning on building some of these for family members... who just want something simple that even they could do it, if you know what i mean.
like what i was thinking was three sizes of pipe, the end pipes where the plug fits in, the plug itself and then the spaces and plates sort of held in-place by rubber gaskets and sort of a lock nut like spacer on each end.
just a little bit more work for something the family can use.
how hard would it be to make the plates and spaces into their own sort of plug that you can pop in and pop out? would you have to worry about sealing just the plug or would there have to be a insulator around the plug while still allowing electrolyzer to pass though the inlets and return holes
Something else occurs to me. Even though I'm trying to make the current zigzag between plates, it still has the chance to jump every other plate. The distance may be doubled, but so is the voltage. I am actually considering creating a separate electrolyte return path to the center of the cell for all six chambers. It would not be that difficult.
I have run n to theexact problem over and over. The more gas you make the worse it gets. To top it off tat top area fills with conductive foam. It wastes power but makes no HHO lowering effeciencies drastically. Amasing what you can learn watching a cell run that is solid acrylic. Those cells I made wrer worth their price in gold just for the education.
I agree, but I simply could not justify almost $300.00 in clear acrylic fittings . A 3in. diameter clear acrylic T. fitting along could not be found for less than $150.00.
I'm also thinking about making the HHO passage progressively larger as it gets closer to the center to help equalize back pressures when I start pushing the gas volumes higher.
I can second that. I have used clear PVC pipe alot but you will notice that I never use the fittings or caps. The price causes a mini stroke every time i consider it. Just cap's are crazy high. I could not even guess the price of a T.
I was thinking about the electric moving inside cell. The way you have it setup it seems that it would go to every other cell because it would be shorter. One grove per cell may be the way to go.
Keep up the good work. You are one of the best out there.
Ha, ha. This was actually recorded Saturday night. The rest of my weekend was spent responding to on-call emergencies and trying to catch up on sleep. Tonight was my first opportunity to edit and post.
have you considered a radial cell design of alternated polarity fins with the bubbles floating up off the fins (rather than pushing past multiple sections like in yours) and with a large bore gas outlet piping at the top?
Ok, for what you say at the end , about the brown residu , Why did you dont try a Y inverted cell ?
gaz would flow better if it was not a 90 degree tunel but a 45 degree tunel .
yanlapanic 11 months ago
it looks to me like alternating the cell fluid intakes will increase the currant leakage distance some but the shortest distance now is between alternating cells along the same supply channel, sorry if this was brought up I did not read all the Q & A s
Cataskew 2 years ago
Zero, am I missing something? It would seem that you still get leakage current, because the channel is open, so leakeage current still passes the next plate. Or did you glue ever other plate channel shut?
billmorgan914 2 years ago
When the cell is running the top is mostly HHO. Negligible little leakage.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Excelent chanell
RACIONALISTA80 2 years ago
Thank you! Tell your friends to tell their friends.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
i had the same patteren on my ebn type cells, im adding gaskets for a little more plate gap to help water flow.
davidrrrd 2 years ago
You talk about leakage current zig zagging across the bottom. But dont you fill the cell well above the gas holes? If so, you will get current leakage on top aswell.
piwko4 2 years ago
the design looks like it relies on the positive pressure of the hho gas to displace the electrolyte from the top recess. If you look at the end of this vid, there is evidence to show that the top half of the call remains dry due to the gas displacing the electrolyte, What Z has done will reduce the pressure in the cell, allowing more contact area on the plates to be utilized, which wil/should produce more gas, which will fill the enlarged opening he has created. I hope z didnt go to big though.
lynel1985 2 years ago
Im thinking its to big. Def not enough gas flow to keep those gas chambers dry with holes that big. I was thinking about designing a new one with tubes running out of each cavity up to the clear tube. Also wanted to run tubes from the sides of the cavity up to the clear tube but below the water line to keep the cells full. Current would have a very long way to travel up to the tube and back down to another cell. Leakage would almost be non exsistent then.
piwko4 2 years ago
Slept on what you wrote here and woke with the answer. Create a 1/4" thick baffle from another pvc ring further toward the center of the cell, blocking the gas outlet channel from going straight up and out. That way it forces a pocket of HHO to build up at the top of the cell before the gas escapes.
Thanks for the inspiration!
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
you're the inspiration Z; glad we could offer a fresh set of eyes/ constructive criticism.
lynel1985 2 years ago
looking foreward to the next vid. and the #'s oohhhh the #'s. great work
71metalman 2 years ago
Au5... are you suggesting a dry cell submersed in an electrolyte bath container vs. having an external reservoir? Reminds me of brute force with the bonus of being able to run full voltage. Hmmm You could run the cell output to the top of the T-cell bath.
randohr 2 years ago
naw jstu looking for soemthign that is slightly more modular, i am planning on building some of these for family members... who just want something simple that even they could do it, if you know what i mean.
like what i was thinking was three sizes of pipe, the end pipes where the plug fits in, the plug itself and then the spaces and plates sort of held in-place by rubber gaskets and sort of a lock nut like spacer on each end.
just a little bit more work for something the family can use.
AU518987077 2 years ago
how hard would it be to make the plates and spaces into their own sort of plug that you can pop in and pop out? would you have to worry about sealing just the plug or would there have to be a insulator around the plug while still allowing electrolyzer to pass though the inlets and return holes
AU518987077 2 years ago
Not too easy, I would think.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
I'm liking what I see.
water2gashawaii 2 years ago
man having so little active surface must kill amp draw.
d3adp001 2 years ago
Not to mention that it created an uneven charge distribution that we work so hard to avoid.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Something else occurs to me. Even though I'm trying to make the current zigzag between plates, it still has the chance to jump every other plate. The distance may be doubled, but so is the voltage. I am actually considering creating a separate electrolyte return path to the center of the cell for all six chambers. It would not be that difficult.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Wow, looking at those plates is one heck of a confirmation.
I can't waite to see this in action again.
Peace.
mikepowers420 2 years ago
I have run n to theexact problem over and over. The more gas you make the worse it gets. To top it off tat top area fills with conductive foam. It wastes power but makes no HHO lowering effeciencies drastically. Amasing what you can learn watching a cell run that is solid acrylic. Those cells I made wrer worth their price in gold just for the education.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
I agree, but I simply could not justify almost $300.00 in clear acrylic fittings . A 3in. diameter clear acrylic T. fitting along could not be found for less than $150.00.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
I'm also thinking about making the HHO passage progressively larger as it gets closer to the center to help equalize back pressures when I start pushing the gas volumes higher.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
I can second that. I have used clear PVC pipe alot but you will notice that I never use the fittings or caps. The price causes a mini stroke every time i consider it. Just cap's are crazy high. I could not even guess the price of a T.
Larry
HHOPWR 2 years ago
As always you make me think.
Great job
I was thinking about the electric moving inside cell. The way you have it setup it seems that it would go to every other cell because it would be shorter. One grove per cell may be the way to go.
Keep up the good work. You are one of the best out there.
waveskifun 2 years ago
How many bubbles per second will the cell produce ?
A V8 engine would need 133 bubbles per second in order to get one bubble per cylinder at cruising speed.
HHOinfo 2 years ago
Millions of bubbles.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Millions ? I take it you counted them ?
HHOinfo 2 years ago
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Late night ? You might end up with haveing gas...
llewgnal 2 years ago
Ha, ha. This was actually recorded Saturday night. The rest of my weekend was spent responding to on-call emergencies and trying to catch up on sleep. Tonight was my first opportunity to edit and post.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
You are getting better in your old age... Looking good.
llewgnal 2 years ago
Awesome video. Keep it up.
sonyxploder 2 years ago
have you considered a radial cell design of alternated polarity fins with the bubbles floating up off the fins (rather than pushing past multiple sections like in yours) and with a large bore gas outlet piping at the top?
prankmypants 2 years ago