Dennis on Fox July 5th

[JennaSPLOOSH]

WOW Kucinich. Why don't the honest politicians ever get enough votes ?

[tomdamho]

if supporting the patriot act makes me a patriot i'd rather be a traitor

[ebonywire]

Al qaeda are up the with the f*cking Easter Bunny. War on terror is a pile of f*cking crap concocted by the American and Israeli secret service to advance their NWO. Dennis Kucinich speaks the truth and is a good man. Americans should grasp their last chance to save their freedoms and country by voting in either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul regardless if they're dem or republican.

[adamslakers]

Wow a fair interview with a hardcore liberal on Fox News, I'm totally stunned!

P.S. Fox News was Fair & Balanced for once!

[Scentless]

Sarcasm, right? They were showing the obligatory terrorist training montage. Hardly fair. Subtle propaganda.

[adamslakers]

yeah i know..however, i like watching fox news i find it hilarious..the content is so ignorant it makes me laugh..i was just surprised to see someone i admired in Kucinich on their show

[Nicoleiia]

Im voting for Kucinich...Fuck Fox News and their lies...

[kimm123456]

The Patriot Act is PURE EVIL!!!

[msmisunderstood]

He's definitely got my vote now. I'm telling everyone I can to pay attention, wake up and vote for the true American!

[linguy22]

oops, and Wolfiemouse

[linguy22]

Greetings

ondlevel, groens, Vertigo929, hartelc, greenguerilla, anmrone2, Allyfox!

[linguy22]

DENNIS KUCINICH is the ONLY one who voted against the war in the first place. I am voting for Dennis Kucinich.

Fox news, I am not buying your fear mongering tactics.

Diplomacy was not exhausted before going to this Iraq war.

Collateral damage=dead children.

[kimm123456]

Amen, brother...screw Faux News

[Wolfiemouse]

It is time for a Dennis Kucinich presidency ... it is time for the truth.

The truth does matter!

[AllyFox]

Kucinich is my hero.

[hartelc]

ditto

[greenguerrilla]

Kucinich is right! Funny how the neo-cons posture as tough guys and then throw away basic liberties in a wink of an eye. Wimps! Look at 3 things: follow the money, check their record (like votes) and concrete ideas ("on paper" not one liners thrown about). Kucinich is a winner by this criteria.

[anmrone2]

I will never understand how anyone listening to the candidates could even think of supporting anyone other than Kucinich. Is America so self loathing that they will continually vote against their better interests??

You can keep your big money candidates.... I am going with Kucinich, and I hope y'all do the same. We don't have to simply choose from "the lesser of two evils".

Kucinich 08 "No Strings"

I urge you to donate to the Kucinich campaign,lets give America a PEOPLE SPONSORED candidate!

[hartelc]

i know, so many of the other candidates have been enablers to bush and don't care about ending this war like kucinich, i can't believe more aren't supporting him.

[ondlevel]

Mr. Kucinich is right on the money. The Patriot Act is nothing more than a third reich move against due process and freedom. We are in a WOT however Mr. Burton's party allowed the Taliban to flee by giving them 24 hour notice before bombing. So just who is the WOT against?

[Vertigo929]

Last time Dennis ran I thought he was a bit odd and way ahead of his time. Now he looks good, he sounds good and what's not to love? Thank God for Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat with huge balls and integrity. He gets the issues on a moral, political and spiritual level and connects so many of the dots. Go Dennis. Robin Van Liew

[groens]

fox sucks and the patriot act is a piece of shite. kucinich is on the money. fark a bunch of fear mongers. kucinich has my vote & my contributions.

[WhyRonPaul]

Tim Ozmond " CIA " = Osama bin Laden

Lies upon lies coming from Fox lies news.

[WhyRonPaul]

what a bunch of crap from FOX news.

[visionmnky]

So much love and support for you in your campaign Dennis. So so much.

[HipShaker4eva]

I would love to see Kucinich as our president. I use to vote Republican. I believe that Kucinich has the right ideas for America. I believe we will all be better off. But it will be a tough road if Kucinich wins. It will not be easy. But he has a longer term outlook. With people's support, lots, he can get them implemented.

[Lucidtomr]

Thats Right, infact, Denis Kucinich has more support than you might think. His site crashed a few times already from the traffic. Lots of people support him, but the Media ignores him, just like the media ignored the facts about the Iraq War. I will proudly vote for him in the Primary, and any true Democrat wanting true change would vote for him in the primary. Denis Kucinich stands out among the Dems

[blakkat31]

KUCINICH FOR PRESIDENT!

[amsay76]

hey Kucinich fans. Why is it that this video only has 2,977 views? Look at the facts, barring some miracle, Kucinich will not get the nomination. If he did get the nomination, in my heart I believe he would win. I'm callenging you to email everyone you know this video or another of your favorites. People don't know about him, so they won't vote for him.

[inotheyare]

mike gravel is the BEST candidate! gravel08. us

[Dan9179]

i think gravel would make an excellent running mate for dennis kucinich

[hutch973]

And just for the record Im not a Republican. When I tell people Im voting Republican they ask if Im ok.

I think its time to make right all the wrong that has happen in the past 6 years and its doesnt matter which party is in office it just NEEDS to be Done and Done RIGHT

[librophile]

Don't patronize us by saying it's not free, we pay for it with taxes!." Well we drive on city streets for FREE -- but we paid for their construction with taxes, they are FREE, -- the book at the library is FREE, -- the Fire Depatment, the Police Depatment etc., are FREE. ALL these are FREE services, collectively socialized and paid for with our tax dollars. To argue that health care -- a life & death issue for many -- should not be considered in the exact SAME league is LUDICROUS and ARCHAIC.

[visionmnky]

Well put!

[hutch973]

I have have NEVER heard anything from Ron Paul that I didnt like

But I cant say the same about Dennis

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Hutch973, if you would just say what it is you don't like that Dennis says then we can have a discussion. What I don't like about Ron Paul is his regressive tax ideas. I like the idea of simplfying the tax process but I don't like the idea of taxing low income the same as high income. I think a simple progressive tax rate if fine if there aren't all the confusing exceptions and exemptions.

[hutch973]

First I would like to point out in the 2nd debates the place meant of candidates was the same for both parties the big money candidates in the middle and so on. And Ron Paul and Dennis both sat to the right side end which is a little funny to me because to me they are the best candidates in their parties.

[hutch973]

Ok but on to what I dont like about him, in the 2nd debate more then once he didnt answer the question. This something that Ron Paul doesnt do, he answers question and does not go over his time. He doesnt waste time.

Second, I think he saying things he cant do, like eliminating all Nulear weapons as much as I would like to see that happen its not going to. But please dont get me wrong i like the guy I just think Ron Paul is better.

[Raunstar]

I like Ron Paul, but Dennis Kucinich is the only truly Righteous Candidate that would fight for "freedom" on all fronts.

[hutch973]

Also dont just vote for him because he's a Democratic and your sick of bush and his party!!!!!!

[hutch973]

I like him too but Ron Paul is better then him in my sees

[librophile]

KUcinich is an honest man full of integrity. He's the "only" candidate that proposes a true "Not-For-Profit" Universal Health Care with a Single Payer by introducing Bill H.R. 676 and the "only" one to seek Dick Cheney's empeachment with Bill H.R. 333. That my friends is a man with absolute gumption and sincerity. We the People need him as our next President.

[hutch973]

Gravel is good too but Ron Paul is the Right guy

[SalemXIII]

Kucinich speaks the truth!

[KadmonKamikaze]

fuck yeah

[thedaoofplus1]

but you should check them all out

[hutch973]

Yes thats very true.. And I have

[hutch973]

Dennis Kucinch is a good guy but if you like him check out Ron Paul

[thedaoofplus1]

if you like raun paul you should check out gravel

[nalc892]

DENNIS vs. the hyenas. KUCINICH is the MAN!!!

[TainaAtheist]

Hey, Mr. Patriot ! Dan Burton! The World Trade Center was bombed TWICE BEFORE 9/11 NOT once. Get yer facts straight.

[RSVPBUY]

Yeah... be somebody! Great Video! Share your upcoming events! (See our channel for link!)

[IrishAmericnsForObma]

Iraq War Yes Duo:

Two candidates who voted to authorize the war in Iraq (Hillary and Edwards) now plan to team up probably against the real anti-war candidates (Obama, Biden, Gravel and Kucinich).

Scheming Hillary is clearly only concerned about winning.

blogs.abcnews. com / politicalradar / 2007/07/caught-on-tape- . html

[baronvonhunter]

K U C I N I C H 2 0 0 8

[whitewolfsarctic]

Quote this:

Al Qaeda's No.2 is a dumb racist morron imbecile who doesn't know the difference between white supremacy and the West because he is a German Nazi himself, Al Qaeda's No.2 is a German Nazi disguised as an Arab.

[speakmymind01]

I'm voting for Dennis, lets join hands with this cock sucking Bastard and backstab our troops.....Go Dennis! you son of a bitch...

[whitewolfsarctic]

Al Qaeda's #2 is a cross over working for the Nazis, I mean this guy looks like a German disguised as an Arab.

[gaartsen]

Burton says: "When we take office, we swear to uphold the Constitution and protect this country..." Then how did Bush get elected? How did Iraq get invaded? How did the Patriot Act get approved? Truewealth (below) is right. Or, in the words of journalist Greg Palast, the US is "the best democracy money can buy", for corporate America. Grassroots awareness, protests and action are the only way.

[peacelord]

Wow. The guy actually let Dennis speak. Are you sure this is Fox?

[truewealth]

God Bless Dennis Kucinich. But no one asks why "Terrorists'" exist. The corporations are taking over the world (you know the ones with billions of dollars who do not give the worker his due). The Corporations use their lobbies to buy Congress and the Presidency. A grass roots struggle from the bottom up is the only way.

[gaartsen]

Hear, hear!!

[representativepress]

see my videos, I go into WHY. see my video "What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't" and ""Sit Down!" The Power to Silence Part 2"

[stevyboy09]

kucinich is the only candidate that has any clue of what's going on.

he's got my vote for sure.

[HouseResolution333]

Hi, my name is Ebenezer. Support Dennis Kucinich -- he is the only one that is challenging the rise of Facism in the Cheney Regime. Who is going to challenge this phony war? Email me if you Are: abolish_nafta_through_voting @ yahoo. I will show that this is the only real chance we have left. America cannot stand anymore if we decide to turn the cold shoulder. Email if your ready to challenge Facism and Impeach Cheney.

[tedmon1]

Did you notice that Fox news showed only scenes of terror while both men debated the issue of civil liberties?

[nohealthcare62]

No More WAR send the Troops home now and the Terrorist will STOP !We all know this in our heart of Hearts Impeach Bush and Cheney ! PEACE Love Brotherhood

[HouseResolution333]

Hi, my name is Ebenezer. Support Dennis Kucinich -- he is the only one that is challenging the rise of Facism in the Cheney Regime. Who is going to challenge this phony war? Email me if you Are: abolish_nafta_through_voting @ yahoo. I will show that this is the only real chance we have left. America cannot stand anymore if we decide to turn the cold shoulder. Email if your ready to challenge Facism and Impeach Cheney.

[nohealthcare62]

Proganda is making a WAR with IRAN .They dont want WAR .I dont want WAR ! Impeach Bush and Cheney lets make HISTORY .I BELIEVE WE CAN ! Kucinich 2007 and 2008 and so on

[breaks0]

His response isn't perfect. BUT, he won't be bated so I don't see how you can beat him in a debate, unless you cut him off. And for once at least, that didn't happen. Kooch 08!

[TheStoicAgnostic]

Dennis is right

he's always right

no scare mongering

[Bluvenus]

GO DENNIS ... We are with you ALL THE WAY!!! Don't ever let them shut you up! Our country NEEDS you in the White House NOW!!!

[ra4k]

Go Dennis - you got the last word and everything you said was right on the button - you know how to turn that senseless propaganda into real political capital by telling the truth and calling them on the BS...your performance on FOX clinched it for me - you've got my vote!

[cryscendo]

"well, yeah our privacy will be invaded, but THEY are attacking us, blah blah...attacked the WTC twice"...blah blah...War on terror, blah blah..

Who are the THEY that he`s talking of?....I know, THEY is not really 'Al Quida" or the so-called terrorists..

It`s our own F**cking government whi os in charge and in the end rsponsible for all that shit!....Geez...Sooo many people don`t have a single clue, do they???

[Bluvenus]

RIGHT ON, cryscendo!! I TOTALLY agree with you! Most people just turn their noses away from the disgusting truth, which is right in their faces!! I knew, as soon as I saw the planes hit the WTC, that the government was involved ... far before any of the evidence came out!! Yes, THEY are our own government .. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

[cryscendo]

Thanks! At least some of you have common sense! :)

[MySecretPumkin]

Everything this administration has done and lied about before and since the 9/11 attack on the WTC only makes sense in the context that they were behind it in the first place. What that implies is so scareythat it makes me want to move to Canada. I pray that Dennis is elected President in 2008, and I pray that if he is nominated, that God, if he exists, will protect him.

[westphalianprinz]

Fox News-- The most gutless news network ever. It's now in lock-step with the Chinese.

[westphalianprinz]

Dennis Kucinch is far, far smarter than Dan Burton. Didn't Dan Burton have a sex scandal-- something about his secretary? He was a big family values man, as I do recall.

[statictwo]

kucinich 2008!

[AzraelsJudgement]

They have attacked us with help from the neocons. Foxnews the channel of cowards. Kucinich very smart man

[Jmuduke]

Summer of terror? Please, talk about pro-war propaganda.

[westphalianprinz]

Sounds like summer of the shark to me. (When shark attacks were down).

[pookey64]

well,I guess people really don't want to see the terror that is coming our way, they don't want to wake up to the real truth that these terrorists are for real and they want this country distroyed

[Agospy]

Yup. Seems like it. You know, I can look back at history to the last time we ignored evil when it reared its ugly head. It cost alot more lives than what this war has, and left Europe almost completely in ruins.

[MySecretPumkin]

Pookey64 and Agospy, you are both complete idiots and deserve to have your civil liberties violated. The only terror coming our way will be perpetrated by the Bush administration. Wake up and grow up. In case you don't know, it was our own government that attacked the WTC on 9/11. Don't believe it? Grow some balls and a brain and do some research.

[SoaringEagleWings]

At which point in history did we "ignore evil"? Was it when the US military/industrial complex armed Hitler's Third Reich to the teeth. Making people like Henry Ford and Bush's grandfather millions with congressional approval? It is crimes like those committed by Hitler that made Aggression the main crime against a State as stated in the UN charter. Including within it all other crimes that occur as a consequence. Exactly the Aggression that the US military committed against Iraq.

[Agospy]

What??? You need to take some more history lessons mate. The United States Mil. Industrial Complex didn't come to fruition until the sixties. The U.S made weapons for themselves and Britain. The Germans made it for themselves (damn good ones if you ask me). Do your homework, pass your History Tests, and then come back to me.

[tuieqlsss]

Given Bin Laden's ties to the CIA and Bush family, as well as the Cheney tie to Halliburton (#1 Army contractor as well as a huge Iraq-rebuild contractor), it doesn't surprise me at all to think that Bin Laden is on US payroll and protection just to consolidate money and power for "special interests". After all, before 911 the Bush admin held a meeting to determine the locations of remaining oil reserves on the planet, coming to the conclusion that Iraq held up to 25%!

[chance1944]

I'm still hoping that the majority will begin to know Dennis is around. He is the man.

[coffeedude65]

Dennis is the man! peace.

[Jamethiel1]

Great job, Kucinich! Thank you for reminding people that by curtailing our civil liberties we're doing the terrorists' job for them.

[VinceKarter]

Count Deku

I created the nickname

[hassenmorad]

That was pretty short- hardly a worthwile discussion. I think Fox was worried of the whooping Kucinich was going to deliver on that other guy's stance. Also, although I believe Kucinich gave the appropriate answers given the time, I would have liked to hear him give more substantive responses (which would have needed more time).

[johnlepo]

'They' did indeed attack all the countries mentioned by Burton, but by and large they had been infiltrated by UK and US intelligence and were allowed to carry out most of these attacks. The drug trade is integral to this 'war on terror', I think the biggest indication of who benefits most from drugs is the fact that hroin production has gone up since the invasion of Afghanistan.

[AzraelsJudgement]

CIA is a top drug dealer

[westphalianprinz]

CIA-- Cocaine Importation Agency.

[AzraelsJudgement]

exactly

[presidentialpolls]

dennis had great responses

[edendlc311]

go dennis!

[oldhacks]

fox blows that horn all day. this morning I heard the blonde on fox and friends say "You wanna talk terror?" jokingly. smiling.

[pookey64]

what are you talking about "drugs". are all you people a bunch of idiots ? this isn't Viet Nam ! this about psychotic muslim men women and children hell bent on killing every american they can and that goes for Isreal and Bteton too!!! they have to bee stopped or we'll be destroyed

[MySecretPumkin]

The kind of advanced intelligence capabilities this country possesses will not allow the plans of Muslim extremists to come to fruition unless this government allows it. The terrorism this administration is propagating is a MYTH. They are using scare tactics that work on morons like you. Our own government attacked the WTC on 9/11, not Bin Ladin, and certainly not Iraq. If you are as scared as they want you to be, you will gladly hand over your civil liberties to them. Idiot.

[cryscendo]

Allright, MySecretPumkin, You tell 'em!

Finally another soul with open eyes!

[Agospy]

Hey Pumkin. That's very immature of you. I didn't call you an idiot. Your comment just showed me your true nature. You think I deserve to have my liberities violated. Well, I don't feel the same way about you, even If I think your a total moron. You think our goverment attacked the WTC, show me some proof, because I clearly have more brain than you...and have done more research.

[MySecretPumkin]

. . . and what you said is very naive of you . . . or blind. You wouldn't be debating if you had've done any real research. If you buy into the fear mongering terror alerts and all that propaganda and support this administration in its insanity, then, yes indeed, you deserve to have your civil liberties violated simply because of your ignorance and your indifference. The real enemy is not at the gates- he's running the country.

[Agospy]

Perhaps your the one who is naive or blind. I wouldn't be debating? Now you treat me like a moron, because YOU don't like what I said. You think I bought into something. I think YOU bought into something: a Conspiracy theory with no proof to back it. AND NO, I do not deserve to lose my Civil Liberties! I am an American Citizen! I have a right, under the constitution, to a freedom of speech even if you don't like what I'm saying! I asked you a question, but you avoided it. Show me the Proof?

[MySecretPumkin]

Oh, yes, the "proof". Well based on your comments one would imagine it's being kept safely up your ass, along with your head . . . but since I do not have the proof on me, I will refer you to Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Compare what you read there to what the so-called Official 911 Report offers. You seem to be falling for and supporting the latest cries of terrorism from the current administration. Get schooled before you get owned.

[MySecretPumkin]

Regarding your civil liberties, Ben Franklin wrote: "They that would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." The Bush Administration lied about 911 and Iraq in order to lull this nation into accepting the Patriot Act, which by its very nature walks all over the Constitution and tramples our civil liberties. You'd just passively go along with whatever Bush says, and would therefore deserve to lose your liberty, citizenship or not.

[Agospy]

Oh, you think I'm a Bush supporter. Your wrong. I dislike Bush's policies in many areas. I loath the idiocy of his Administration and the damage its doing to this country. However, I also loath your inability to look into the reality of the issue. You would rather cling onto to a random set of conspiracy theories than actually face the issue head on. I do not passively with whatever Bush, or anyone else tells me, including you!

[MySecretPumkin]

You see, in order for me to succumb and believe that the threat that the Muslim Extremists are coming to get me would be the same as giving Bush or anyone in his administration any credibility and any weight to their constant lies and fear mongering. Anyone giving credence to these so-called threats is surrendering his civil liberties for a lie. You say you are not a Bush supporter? Where do you suppose all the lies you believe are coming from?

[MySecretPumkin]

Any government worth a damn can provide security and defense for its own nation without all the lies and invasions. Why do you suppose we invaded Iraq? Why do you suppose we are still there, and why do you suppose more than 3,000 US troops and innocent Iraqi civilians have lost their lives?

[Agospy]

We invaded Iraq based on faulty intellegence that stated their were WMD's in Iraq. Your gonna say that all those countries that went in fell for the same administrations lie? I doubt it. Either way, we're their now, so why not instead of whining that we went there, try to think up a way to get out without causing a crap load of geonocidal problems.

[mo1elftausend]

Who exactly do you mean with all those countries "agospy".

[MySecretPumkin]

Bush invaded Iraq for the Oil, and because Hussein began doing the unthinkable! He was trading Iraqi Oil for the Euro instead of the American dollar. It's OK to see it and say it. To say that [especially] this administration invaded Iraq for any sort of noble cause is an outright LIE. Iran has also started trading its oil for the Euro. What falsehood will this administration use as an excuse to invade Iran? Can't wait to see the next line of bullshit.

[Agospy]

Dude, you notice that only Hippies on the street use the Oil excuse. Not even respected politicians seem to use that anymore. Okay, listen, I don't doubt you've done some research, but most of this crap is simply speculation. Show me some solid evidence. SOLID! Not a theory, not a shadowy area. A solid slice of evidence that states that the situation is not what it seems. Okay. Okay. Until you do, I've made up my mind.

[MySecretPumkin]

I never said I bought into every single theory out there based on speculation or grainy video tape supposedly depicting cloaked stealth warplanes firing missiles into the WTC. There is ample irrefutable evidence proving planned demolition having been used on towers 1, 2, and 7. You are fucking stupid if you say that politicians and even mainstream media haven't concluded the war was for on oil.

[MySecretPumkin]

Did you happen to miss Dennis Kucinich's assertion that the war was for oil? You are like the Christian Fundamentalist who cannot be reasoned with on any issue. You ignore what you don't want to see, and then you just make up shit to avoid having to look at the rest of the story. I think I am done with you until you have something intelligent to say.

[Agospy]

And what are you? You can't be reasoned with either. I've listened to everyone of your arguments and answered everything. I didn't make up anything. Your done with me. I'm just about done with you.

[MySecretPumkin]

I promise I won't come looking for you to give you the proverbial "I told you so". Just have the class and honesty to come back and say,"you guys were right".

[Agospy]

I don't hear it often. And you must be F*cking stupid to think that the building that everyone saw the plane crash into, was brought down by demo charges. Look at the videos. The top falls, and pancakes the rest of the building.

[MySecretPumkin]

LOL, keep believing that lie.

[Agospy]

Oh and by the way. Amateur video footage rarely lies. You know what, the wat your going at it, everything is a lie. I'm a lie, your a lie. This site is a lie. This country is a lie. You know what. Lets all go hide in a bunker just be safe. No, but that's what the liars want us to think.

[Agospy]

You want to know the reality of it. Go to "Tell the Children the Truth" and read the history of Muslim extremist activity.

[MySecretPumkin]

I am quite familiar Muslim extremists from around 1300 to our present day. We don't need to invade their countries, destroy their peaceful and innocent children while sacrificing the lives of thousands of American soldiers to protect our nation. The larger concern is the one running this country who wants us to believe that Muslim extremists are a bigger threat than they actually are, thereby using them as an excuse to do whatever they want to us and others. (Patriot Act)

[Agospy]

Add a "Not" before Deny. Sorry 'bou that.

They are powerful enough. That's the reality of it. They have armies, several armies to be exact. And all they need is an oppurtunity. This is not fear mongering. I've been in more than one country. I've talked to refugees from Lebanon trying to escape Hezbollah. The threat is real.

[Agospy]

And you seem to be falling for and supporting a random group of conspiracy theorists that have to make something up in order to keep themselves from truly blaming the people responsible. I think your the one that needs to be schooled. Everyone of this "Evidence" has been debunked scientifically. So give something I haven't seen before.

[MySecretPumkin]

So, now where is your proof of debunkage? Random group of theorists? LOL, where did you get that from? Fox news? Sean Hannity? We're talking about reputable scholars and scientists who've debunked the Official 911 report. Don't tell me you are also a Christian and you believe that God hates fags, too.

[Agospy]

You want the Debunk. Go to Popular Mechanics' website. These are actually engineers and scientists. Type in "Debunk", and find an article called "Debunking The 9/11 Myths". I looked at your crap. I hope you would look at mine.

And yes, I am a Christian. No, God doesn't hate fags. You have a problem with that.

[MySecretPumkin]

Popular Mechanics? Are you kidding me? Yes, I've read their falsehoods, seen their nepotism, shoddy research and agenda-driven politics. One might say their "debunking" is as reliable as the intel Bush used as an excuse to invade and occupy Iraq. Following the publication of the article and its exaltation by the mainstream media as the final nail in the coffin for 9/11 conspiracy theories . . .

[MySecretPumkin]

. . . it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. This means that Benjamin Chertoff was hired to write an article that would receive nationwide attention, about the veracity of the government's explanation of an event that led directly to the creation of Homeland Security, a body that his own cousin now heads.

[MySecretPumkin]

The arguments presented in the article have been widely debunked by the 9/11 truth community as an example of a straw man hatchet job - whereby false arguments are erected, attributed to 9/11 skeptics, and then shot down. One of the most glaring errors in the Popular Mechanics hit piece appears in the 'Intercepts Not Routine' section where it's claimed that, "In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999."

[MySecretPumkin]

If you wanna go, we can go all night. :0)

[Agospy]

Okay, so what were the other times. That Learjet was intercepted, but not shot down. So if it was not the only intercepted civy plane in the last decade, show me the others.

[MySecretPumkin]

NORAD's (North American Aerospace Defense Command) mission since 1958 has been a partnership between Canadians and Americans to protect the airspace of Alaska, Canada and the contiguous 48 United States. Maj. Douglas Martin, one of PM's cited experts stated that the military sent fighter jets to chase suspicious aircraft 462 times between Sept. 11, 2000 and June, 2001, nearly seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from the same period a year earlier.

[Agospy]

Well thank you for the info on NORAD. Okay, so they made an error in their article. Its not the first time this has happened in history. People make mistakes. Your gonna discredit an entire article based on one error. That's a shame.

[MySecretPumkin]

That was a very important fact to get wrong, and therefore calls the credibility and motive of the entire article into question. Aside from the debunking of cloaked missiles being fired into the wtc, the rest of the article is a hit peice on valid evidence pointing directly to the Bush administration as the culprit..

[Agospy]

Right...whatever.

[MySecretPumkin]

Right, when all is said and done, the typical response from morons like you is, "Right . . . whatever".

[Agospy]

Relation alone is not enough to alter credibility. You accused the guy of being "hired" when he claimed to not even know that he was related to the man. I love how you jumped to a conclusion. He is related, therefore he was hired. And this is not an explanation by Government, but rather by actual scientists and engineers. You guys use fuzzy photos and convoluted facts, they used science.

[MySecretPumkin]

LOL, if you believe that Benjamin and Michael Chertoff did not know they were cousins, you ARE naïve. PM is a cheerleader for advanced weaponry and new technology used in 'anti-terror' operations. A hefty chunk of its advertising revenue relies on the military and defense contractors. Since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq [which all cite 9/11 as a pretext], what motivation does the magazine have to conduct a balanced investigation and risk upsetting its most coveted clientele?

[Agospy]

Dude, the guy said he didn't know him. Its not the first time someone didn't know they had a specific relative. PM reviews weaponry. Wonderful. Its about Engineering, and weapons Engineering falls into that category. Tell me where you get this info from, mate. How do you know where their profits come from? You've been sifting through their trash? Who told you all of this?

[Agospy]

Dude, anything you don't wanna hear seems to be a Falsehood suddenly. Prove that its false. That site you gave me...out of the thirty people that made it, I think only four had qualifying degrees to discuss the issue. Pop. Mechanics is only one complete debunk, and I wouldn't say that a Magazine about egineering has a political agenda.

[MySecretPumkin]

In case you've missed it, credentials and competency matter not when it comes to the current administration. Everyone from scientists to US Attorneys do exactly and say exactly what the Bush and Chaney tell them to do and say. If you are really not a follower and supporter of Bush, then prove it by starting with the FACT that Bush and anyone within their administration's grasp has ZERO credibility and should be doubted and questioned.

[Agospy]

Of course. Infact, any administration should be doubted and questioned. Trust but verify was what Reagan said. That is your right. But your getting kind of wacky here. You mean to tell me that everyone is being controleld by the Gov. Unlikely, very unlikely. I will deny the fact that several congressmen are paid off to pass some bills. But that has nothing to do with this war. That is another evil in itself.

[MySecretPumkin]

It must be nice living in your head with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Since Bush took office, name me one instance in which the administration has ever acted according to the will of the American people? They've ignored the will of the people while lying to them the entire time.

[MySecretPumkin]

Everything this administration has done and lied about before and since the 9/11 attack on the WTC only makes sense in the context that they were behind it in the first place. Aside from the conclusive evidence that 911 truth community possesses, only folk like you could not connect the dots and understand the elimentary principles behind cause and effect.

[Agospy]

Very little to act according to the will of the American people. But that's not the point is it. My arguement had nothing to do with what Bush has done for the country, now was it? It was based on the neccesity to face the dangers of this world. You have completely ignored every sense of logic and reality. But you know, in the end, you've made up your mind, as have I. You aren't gonna convince me of anything and I'm not gonna convince you of anything.

[MySecretPumkin]

Instead of arguing anymore, I'll just state the following- then let it go. Testimony of firefighters and police officers who were on the scene when the towers collapsed all reported hearing repetitive staccato explosions just before and during the actual fall of the towers. Forensic tests performed on the rubble show unequivocally that Thermite was used in the demolition of the towers.

[MySecretPumkin]

20 minutes before Building 7 actually collapsed, the BBC was reporting worldwide that Building 7 had ALREADY collapsed. There was no reason for Building 7 to have collapsed in the first place. Larry Silverstein said that he ordered the building to be "pulled" (demolished) that day, and that day the building was brought down through controlled demolition.

[MySecretPumkin]

It literally takes weeks, if not months, for experts to set charges to demolish a building, and the official 911 report would have us believe that Larry Silverstein had this done in just hours. This is utter bullshit and shows undeniably that those buildings were already set for demolition prior to 911. If this verifiable information alone does not give one cause for pause, they are complete idiots.

[MySecretPumkin]

. . . Or deliberately close their eyes in order to perpetuate the lies.

[representativepress]

there is very good reason WTC 7 collapsed, it was damaged and had been on fire. GOOGLE "WTC 7 was severely damaged on the south side of the building and was on fire for about 7 hours" Obviously the firemen's concerns about WTC 7 GOING TO COLLAPSE were misreported as "HAD"

[MySecretPumkin]

Fairytales. Please stop lying. Larry Silverstein said himself he ordered the building to be pulled (demolished). Google that, idiot.