@TheBulldawg4life there is no "mustang gt" in this video or DR s, but there is a 99 cobra with bald street nittos. People have been trying to talk some sense into you but your camaro fanatic antics just wont allow it. The v6 camaro lost by some cars. That's all there is to it.
@ralatorre9 Ah yes..my bad. I forgot this video was for the more "powerful" Cobra not the GT. Bald nittos still provide more traction than the Camaro's tires, and it's a bolt-on top of the line Cobra against a stock V6 Camaro. The fact that the Camaro was even close at all is embarrassing and tells me my LS3 would run away from this pos.
I don't mean to seem so ornery...just some of the Ford fanboys on youtube have pissed me off lately, kinda made me take it out on everyone. You're obviously a smart guy, and you seem to know what you're talking about. I called you a kid because I call everyone kid (regardless of age), not because of your age.
The biggest problem I have with the DOHC motor is that swapping cams is SO expensive, and they don't really give as much advantage as is you swapped the cam for the LS3.
@TheBulldawg4life yes id like to repeat the same statement to you. but hey what do you expect from youtube. cams are a royal bitch on dohc mod motors... well not on the 4.6's anymore since theyre not that expensive now, but yes it takes a lot of work and cash for a set. everyone knows small quad cam and big ohv have their highs and lows i dont see that changing soon either
@Storm7289 I expect pretty much exactly what it gives out lol. DOHC is slightly more technologically advanced, but OHV is slightly more moddable. It's just a matter of what you like, ovals or bowties.
I would also being willing to bet that the majority of owners of a GT or SS aren't modding them, or are doing nothing more than replacing can's or air filter.
@TheBulldawg4life fine by me i wouldnt even think of driving that far to buy a car .well yes besides full exhaust intake and tune me neither except anyone who s/c's their car since the aftermarket is limited for the 5.0 nothing extreme except for some basic cams and the boss' manifold and heads. but the ls3 has readily available head cam swaps that net very large. i see price as a big determent
I live in NC, so going to California just to find out whether or not you own something is not gunna happen...why not just post a video like every other proud owner on youtube?
Yeah, plenty of Camaro owners swap out the stock suspension for a Ford 9' rear, but almost none of them are driving on the road or even road legal anymore. They're track cars.
I'll put it this way...Lethal Performance (a very reputable and successful tuner) was only able to run a 12.32 at 111.71...with a 93 Octane Lund tune, 3' x-pipe, twin-disc clutch, an MT DR's...and you're stupid enough to believe someone went faster than that on a stock car their first time?? Ya right..
@TheBulldawg4life i could show you the video of the guy doing high 11's on dr's otherwise stock but i have a feeling its not reputable enough for you.
I'm sorry there aren't a bunch of videos of guys racing stock-stock SS and GT's..and the few that are on youtube seem to be L99 Camaro's instead of LS3's. Still the fact remains the fastest PROVEN car of the two is the Camaro SS. When someone brings up a time slip/video for confirmation of running faster than 12.588 in a stock Mustang GT, the edge goes to the SS in my eyes. Proven times > unproven claims.
@TheBulldawg4life that timeslip is a load of shit. you probably pulled it up on dragtimes. chevy proclaimed the zl1 would do 12.2 with mt and 12.1 with a/t, mm&ff is almost 100% dead on with their time estimates. pretty sad a zl1 can only run a tenth quicker than a boss 302 not to mention mm&ff have a video of a bone stock street tire 2011 gt500 doing 12.09.
@TheBulldawg4life remember the 90's when the camaro dominated? yea so do i and i was humble in the fact that it was the faster car in most cases. but now the tables have turned and the mustang is faster, the only people that deny that are stubborn bowtie fanboys who have huge egos for a car manufacturer. the camaro died in 2002, now chevy just threw in a corvette drive train into a boat and call it a camaro thats bs, i only hope the general has something ready for MY2015
I'm so tired of seeing Ford fanboys use MT as their example of why the GT is supposedly better than the SS, while ignoring the Ford got every performance option available while the Camaro got nothing (short throw shifter and performance exhaust were available). Ford fans refuse to accept the results though when the Mustang and Camaro are both bone stock, all because the Mustang never can keep up.
@whitegxp313 not really. The fastest stock Mustang GT 1/4 mile time I can find is 12.23 (with no proof) the next closest I can find is 12.63 (again with no proof). However I can find a 12.588 Camaro SS with time slip.
I'll take 12.588 with a time slip over completely false claims (both Mustang claims are from guys who were racing for the first time so they say)...and I have serious trouble believing that someone who never raced before took off half a second from the fastest time 1st try.
@TheBulldawg4life I honestly cannot find one video with the camaro ss beating the mustang. Just type in the search bar 2011 mustang gt vs 2011 camaro ss every video the mustang wins. Im not a mustang fan boy i own a grand prix gxp. i love any car that is fast and the mustang gt is faster then the camaro ss
@TheBulldawg4life ive witnessed a gt 6mt go 11.9 with slicks and thats it. stang is faster get over it, no shit its faster with the brembo brake package because its COMPARABLY equipped jesus grow a brain it still comes in cheaper with the upgraded interior and track pack than a 2ss camaro. there was no short throw shifter or performance exhuast listen to your fanboyness. the mustang won with factory options. its a quicker car mainly because its light
@Storm7289 I've witnessed a Camaro SS go 5.88 with nothing but a tune...see what I did there??? The timeslip is completely legit, and was accepted as truth by a large number of reputable people on a reputable site. I'll put it this way...GM expected the the SS to hit 13.2...they were 7 tenths slower. That'd put the ZL1 at 11.3 with the auto (seeing as how GM predicts a 12.0) once owners get ahold of it.
@TheBulldawg4life reputable by a bunch of fanboys? ok buddy. sorry the ss is slow this generation. the zl1 running 11.3 omg you are fucking high as a kite sorry to dissapoint but the zl1 wont be taking any trophies
@Storm7289 Reputable by a bunch of OWNERS and people work at/with GM for a living and spend much of their free time at tracks. 12.588 PROVEN is extremely fast, faster than any Mustang GT has proven to run.
If the traction limited GT500 is supposedly running 11.5 it's not hard to imagine that the better shoed and vastly better suspended vehicle will get traction and launch down the track at a great speed. We've all seen the GT500 wheel hop with less HP...now it has 650?? lol that car will spin.
@TheBulldawg4life still fanboys and a stang will trap higher than any camaro. have you even read about the new gt500 oh ignorant one. theres at least 6 upgrades including launch control lower ratio diff twin clutch and others to prevent that. im going to laugh in your face when it tramples the zl1 into history. hey why dont you quit arm chair racing and do it for real. im in so cal and id like to proove that your precious camaro is slower, oh you probabaly dont even have one do you?
@Storm7289 lol you're such a child. You'll trust some kid saying his FIRST EVER run was half a second faster than ANYONE has run, and provides no proof. Then you'll go on to say that a trusted site that REQUIRES proof (timeslip/video) is lying?? Do you even take yourself seriously?
What would you race me with? You don't have anything to show for yourself...so what are you gunna do, get your peddle bike out and try to keep up?
@TheBulldawg4life just like how the chally supposedly ran a legit 12.4 by dodge techs with a legit timeslip turns out it had DR's. most CHEVY message boards will admit the mustang is faster. does power to weight ratio mean anything to you? especially since gt's dyno at 373whp which means ford unerrated their cars again. whats the highest a camaro has ever trapped? why does every car mag save 1 say the mustang is faster on a track and in a line and vote it better than the camaro?
@Storm7289 Power/weight means nothing when you don't take into account gearing, tires, tire height, weight distribution, and power curve. GT's are averaging about 365-370 on dyno's...that puts the bhp at 410, or do you not know how to do simple math?
113 is the highest trap speed I can find (with proof)...what's the fastest trap speed a Mustang has been proven to run? Mag's gave the Mustang the win in 2010 too when the Mustang never kept up with the Camaro in ANY category..it's a pop. contest..
@TheBulldawg4life oh no the tough guy calling me a kid now? keep running your mouth i bet you would run 14's in that pos 5th gen.... youre saying a camaro is incredibly fast? are you fucking high? a z06 is incredibly fast not a car that runs 13's with an avg driver. yes you idiot if a gt dynos at 373 which was motortrends dyno results at k&n in riverside CA it still equates to 435 if it had an irs setup like the camaro which puts near similar numbers at the wheel..
@Storm7289 You're a kid, since when was that a big deal? I would say a bone stock 30k car that can run 12's is incredibly fast...so would basically ANYONE else with a brain.
Hmmm...lets see here MT got 373 at the wheel, using simple basic math that would put bhp at 414. The difference is the Roman cart axle only draws about 11% of the power, IRS pulls about 15%. If both put similar numbers at the wheel (and they are close) that would mean the LS3 has more in the engine..dur.
@TheBulldawg4life since when is 22 years old considered a kid? am i missing something? yes the ls3 has more power at the flywheel and id imagine it would in any case, but at the wheel is what matters. you do know many camaro owners swap their irs for lra right
@TheBulldawg4life so does it matter if the camaro has more hp at the flyhweel? no because it has an irs setup. mustang also can come with 2 different sets of better gears than a camaro, not to mention lra>irs in a straight line not to mention a camaro CANT hang with a gt on the track dont even try to go there, i recall the gt being put up against a fully track equipped m3 with pilot sports and coming within .01 second of victory
@TheBulldawg4life tell me when youre in socal and ill show you what i have i dont need to throw it all over youtube like an armchair racer. id even return my car to stock just for you
@TheBulldawg4life oh wait let me guess youre one of those guys who when prooven wrong says shit like well idgaf because the camaro looks better. your head is so far up your ass because you dont want to accept the fact that the car you just spent a shitlload of cash on is obsolete. its not like we havent seen bolton ls1's take out 5th gen ss's all the time
@Storm7289 LOL "come to me and then I'll prove I don't own anything!!!!" what a joke. Let me guess, you're one of those people who when challenged to prove what they claim you say it's not your job to prove it huh?
I'm one of those people who owns a REALLY nice car, that's incredibly fast. I'm one of those people who can actually PROVE I own the car. What can you prove kid?
@TheBulldawg4life id agree a camaro vs a mustang gt would be a drivers race in any case they are very equal cars ive seen both cars run 14+ at the hands of a shit driver, idgaf if you believe i own a 5.0 or not id be glad to show you in person if you do live in my area. and mind you these are stock cars..i dont know many owners that dont mod their american muscle car. now in the words of Jack Nicholson "cant we all just get along?"
@patrickpp14 Both cars chirp and no the Cobra didn't go that far in length. I've watched it 5x's and I don't see him burning rubber (no smoke) or not gripping.
@ak47proshooter for the simple fact of FORD is just a wack car company.their vehicles are poorley built.F=found O=on side of R=road D=dead.you dumb ass kid lol the shit stang STILL is unable to beat a vette....UMMMMMM."NEXT!"
@patrickpp14 Ford GT hasn't shit on anything ..even in 2006 the Z06 (for half the cost) was less than 2 seconds slower at the 'Ring than the GT...now Chevy produces a Camaro ZL1 that is faster than the GT for 1/3 of the cost.
@TheBulldawg4life ya i heard about the zl1 and saw the track vid..its FREAKING SICK! but i heard the 2012 Shelby is to produce 600 WHEEL and its gonna be lighter than the ZL1 lol i raced a GT in my ZO6 bro, it was no contest the GT shits on me but thats because im stock bro..no way itll catch me after about 5-k in parts
@patrickpp14 Ya...I'm thinking WAY too hard about trading my SS for a ZL1..The GT500 for 2013 is the one that gets the horsepower bump (I don't think the '12 gets anything new) but it doesn't worry me.
If you raced straight line against a GT, of course it punked you..those cars are incredibly fast straight line, the Z06 ends up faster in the corners though lol.
i would rather drive a slower v8 muscle car like an old 5.0 stang than buy a newer v6 model...i dont care how fast the new v6 are the whole point of muscle cars is power/torque and the v8 sound....think back to when the muscle cars first came around in the 50's and 60's etc. the v8 is part of muscle car heritage and cant be replaced.
@andytaurus The first muscle car rolled off the line in 1961. It was a 409 4 speed chevy impala. Soon there after ford and mopar put there muscle cars on the market. I think most people confuse the hot-rod with a muscle car. they are not the same. A hot rod is custom a muscle car is factory. Dont even get me started on all the mod catagories. lol
hehehe commenting on a video of a bolt-on/DR 99 Cobra struggling mightly with a stock V6 Camaro, while saying your mostly stock 98 Cobra would beat an SS by car lengths is the most ignorant childish thing you could do.
@ralatorre9 The fastest recorded stock 2010 Camaro SS is 12.5 and you can see the timeslip if you want. Either way..an LS3 or L99 Camaro will walk a '90's Mustang, and basically all the the 2000-10 time frame too with the FBods.
@TheBulldawg4life You're quite the funny guy! 03-04 Cobras walk the new Camaro SS.
It doesn't take much to get an N/A 96-98 Cobra up there with the Stock SS. 3.73 gears, headers &mid pipe, street "cheater" slicks. Done.
That weight advantage vs a camaro is INEVITABLE.
The new maros hp numbers seem a bit overated, seeing as how the new 5.0 gets better dyno numbers stock vs. stock. gt is rated about 20 hp less than the ss yet shows on average of 10-20 more hp than the maro stock on dyno. hmmm..
@ralatorre9 Rreally the 03-04 Cobra's can't beat the 5th gen without mods as both run high 12's stock.
Ok so since the Cobra get's mods the Camaro does too right? I'll take 4.10 gears, LT, CAI, and DR's. Don't forget..this video is a stock V6 Camaro stomping a modded 99 Cobra.
Where have you been looking at dyno numbers, because you should look again. The LS3 dominates the 5.0 up to 6k RPM (where I'm shifting) with at least 10+ HP all the way up to 6k. Don't get started with torque.
@Storm7289 03-4 Cobra's take a great driver to get into 12's too. You almost HAVE to get under 2 seconds to '60 or you'll never get there..but with the SS 2.2 '60s will get you into the 12's almost every time.
@TheBulldawg4life You said this video shows a v6 camaro "beating" an old cobra.... i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're blind and typing by touch or somehow you can't play the youtube video displayed above. HAHA
@ralatorre9 I would say a stock V6 keeping up with a bolt-on DR Mustang GT is an ass whooping. Also, the comment you're referring to was probably in response to MileHighSnake who was under the impression his '98 Mustang would be even reasonably close at 1320 ft. with my '10 Camaro SS
@ralatorre9 Maybe you don't know this, but the Roman cart axle Ford throws under the Mustang has long been known to draw less parasitic power, close to 11%, while the independent suspension under the Camaro pulls out about 15%. When the average LS3 Camaro is pulling between 370-375/370-375 on dyno's across the country at 15% power loss the adjusted numbers are 430/430, while the Mustang averaging 370 (which is high, but whatever)/350 the real numbers are only 410/388.
@TheBulldawg4life well maybe your argument would be valid if the camaro handled better and was faster and also if they made a z28 to compete with the boss 302 and it was defeating m3's and audi r8 v8's on a track. ford made the lra setup work in 2011 there is really no denying that especially since the mags all praise the good work they did claiming it doesnt even feel like a lra setup anymore
@Storm7289 The Camaro handles just fine, in fact it out handles (and out brakes) Mustang GT's in all categories except gpad skid numbers...and the only reason the GT get's better numbers there is a huge weight advantage.
Chevrolet doesn't need a Z28 to compete with the 302, M3, or R8 V8s...they've already got the ZL1 BEATING everything Ford ever made (including the GT), everything BMW ever made, beating every Audi ever made, beating Lambo's, Ferrari's, and Porsches..Ford aimed low with the 302.
@TheBulldawg4life does NOT outbrake or outhandle the mustang, stang puts higher skidpad quicker figure 8 shorter stop distance. zl1 cant beat shit it runs 12's when the 13 gt500 runs 11.5 which was confirmed by mm&ff and outhandles said zl1. wheres the camaro on car and drivers top 10 list? how about motortrends 10 best cars which ranked the boss with nissan gtr ferrari 458 etc. auto mags had the ss doing 13's all day. mustang is faster this time get over it
@Storm7289 You need to quit chocking on Ford's cock. You have no clue what the ZL1 run's in the 1/4 mile, and you certainly have no clue what the 2013 GT500 runs (no one does). MM&FF hasn't confirmed a 1/4 mile time you moron, they're GUESSING what it might run...seeing as how Ford won't let anyone touch their TEST MULES I'll venture out on a limb and guess you're talking out of your ass.
The record for a 2010 Camaro SS is 12.588, I don't care which auto mags ran half a second slower.
@Storm7289 I'm not going to bother posting numbers, instead I'll tell you to go look for InsideLine test between no performance optioned SS and GT. The thing you're missing from the MT article is that the Mustang GT they used had gears, tires, and brakes..you'll see what happens to the Mustang GT when you don't get gears, tires, and brakes.
Wow...how bout you provide a site that provides these numbers? Oh you can't?? That's what I thought.
Google "Camaro SS fast list" and the first link is Camaro5 (of which I'm a member) that shows the fastest stock, bolt-on, internal, and power adder lists.
I've now provided my proof (the same proof that has already been issued), while you still can't prove anything.
This video you're commenting on shows a V6 Camaro keeping up with a bolt-on/DR 99 Cobra..no one but you thinks you'd win.
Oh and since you want to use dragtimes as your singular ignorant source of all possible abilities of a car the fastest 1998 Cobra is 14.01 @ 102 with a 2.14 '60. That makes it 1.14 seconds slower, 7 mph slower, and a full .1 slower to '60 than the Camaro SS...Go ahead and admit you're wrong and we'll let you march on your way.
@Milehighsnake98 So a car that runs slower than mine beat you, but you claim you'll beat a Camaro by half a second? Quit lying kid..everyone (except you obviously) knows the 2010 Camaro will stomp your little baby car and laugh all the way home.
google "2010 Camaro SS fast list" and stfu.
Like I said my Camaro would stomp on you, with a bad launch. Enjoy eating your crow, and please find your ignorant self elsewhere.
the 99 cobras were built wrong and didnt even have 305 hp they had a recall to replace the intakes to make the produce the said hp. after that svt kissed ass and didnt make an 2000 cobra and the 01 and o2 cobra sucked as well. so then they came out with the forged motors and supercharged cobras in 03 and 04. which are the ones to have. how do i know this? cause i have one from every year.
@02sierra6L432tx Funny thing about your comment. The new 400+hp SS camaro is sill slower than a 305hp 4.6 cobra mustang. I know. Beaten them on the track plenty. I cOuld only imagine the kind of power and times I could put down with a 6.2l version of my 4.6. Oh, and one other thing. The new 5.0? It's based on my 4.6 and uses many components that are compatible with both.
@Milehighsnake98... I took a bone stock L99 that i've owned for less than 2 weeks and beat a Mach 1 by about 3 car lengths last night... and after that ran a 3-valve Bullit... the car is 100% stock, NEITHER of them were... if it isn't a terminator or a Coyote 5.0, yeah, I want to see you line up with a 6.2L Camaro... I have videos up on my channel, the car is 100% stock down the the air filter with 6100 miles on it and counting... it won't be stock long, it'll be a bottle fed baby before long
@AdamMc2003 i'm also no keyboard warrior... and contrary to popular belief, the younger generation CAN own nice sports cars, instead of being "keyboard warriors"... I consider myself to be "young"(26) and picked up my 2SS/RS August 6th
@AdamMc2003 The LS3 6.2L Camaro with driver is about 4300lbs and 425hp. My cobra is 3500lbs with me and in present state is about 340hp. So they are about the same power to weight ratio. Difference? Unlike that POS camaro, I get traction.
@Milehighsnake98...the Camaro hits the scale at 3900lbs... for it to weigh 4300lbs, you have to have a 400lb driver, lol... as far as traction, once again... feel free to view my videos... two words describe it: hooking up
@AdamMc2003 the pre-2003 Cobras are high 13 second cars, AT BEST... most of them ran in the damn 14s because of shitty driving... but to be fair, high 13s at best... the L99s off the lot go 13.20-13.30s... but here is the kicker, know what the SS stands for in Camaros? STOCK SUCKS.... and guess what TUNE ONLY, the L99s gain about half a second, rip off 1.8-1.9 60s on the STOCK tires and have gone 12.8s with a $400 tune ONLY... no headers, no drag radials, nothing... a tune
@AdamMc2003 and sorry for the triple but that is why I have to kind of sit back and shake my head at the Coyote 5.0... it comes with shorty headers, a Cold air intake, and 3.73 gears FROM THE FACTORY... it better be fast, lol... its pretty much full bolt-on... anyone want to give a LS3 3.73s, a cold air intake, headers, and line them up?
@AdamMc2003 Your camaro comes from the factory with a cold air intake. The Coyote doesn't have headers. And the 3.73s are an OPTION. God you chevy fanbois make up EVERY excuse you can when you get stomped by a Ford. Okay, if you want to make EVERYTHING fair, let's increase the Coyote to a 6.2L engine. Wait, then the mustang would be walking all over the corvettes. Wait, it already is.
@Milehighsnake98... no it doesn't come with a factory cold air intake, it doesn't even have the air snorkel out of the box... the Coyote DOES have shorty headers from the factory, feel free to look that up... the 5.0s running 12.80s from the factory.......have the 3.73 option, which is my point...
@AdamMc2003 I think we should just accept this guy has no grasp on reality. He's convinced himself a 98 Cobra can actually beat an LS3 by half a second, logic won't even penetrate his thick skull.
@TheBulldawg4life Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes. Fact is, I'm a better driver than most LS3 owners. I already said they trap about 2mph higher than me, showing there's the possibility of beating me. But, the car is a POS that can't put the power to the ground, and it's a POS that loses to me.
@AdamMc2003 EVERY car made in the last 15 years comes from the factory with a cold air intake. And the Coyote might have free flowing manifolds, but they aren't headers. But let me step back and say, I don't consider "shorty headers" to be headers. Headers have a 30" primary length, but that's the old-fashioned gearhead influence. And the 5.0s running 12.30s from the factory have 3.55s. Ultimately, though, whether it has optional gears or not, it's still factory stock.
@AdamMc2003 Actually, it does come with a factory cold air intake. Looking at a picture of the Camaro engine bay, unless I'm mistaken, that looks like an air snorkel feeding from the bottom of the airbox into the fender.
And the fastest 5.0s have the 3.55s. Just like the 96-98 Cobra, 3.73s don't help them any, they put it between gears. But the 5.0s are running 12.30s with the 3.55s stock.
@Milehighsnake98 no.. the camaro does NOT come with the factory snorkel... GMPP does offer a "air box upgrade" with the snorkel........for $450... now who would buy that considering a full fledged CAI can be had for $350, well, I don't know... and show me a stock Coyote running 12.30s on the production tire
@AdamMc2003 and they Coyote has HEADERS... google: "2011 Coyote 5.0 factory headers" look at the picture on Mustangexhaust and tell me THAT isn't a damn header, lol
@AdamMc2003 The pre-03 cobras are low 13s at best. Best I've ever seen from a stock 96-98 is 13.2. So again, know what you're talking about before opening your trap. And no, they won't "rip off" a 1.8 60 on stock 20" wheels. But nice try at trolling.
@Milehighsnake98 My LS3 2SS/RS doesn't even weigh in at 4000 lbs with me in it...so no, don't play that bs here. I have better power/weight, far better tires, much more usable torque, and oh ya..give me CAI and exhaust (and whatever else you put on your Cobra) and watch me run mid 12's all day.
My Camaro SS has dyno'd (bone stock) higher at the wheels than your flywheel numbers..if your car is so bad line it up against an LS3 and see what happens lol
@TheBulldawg4life You really are cocky, aren't you? I've already "lined up with" a number of new Camaro LS3s. They are running .4-.5 second slower than me in the 1/4 mile. Poor SS. You would think that 15 years of development in the LS engines, in chassis design and in tire construction would have made the SS faster than the 1998, but it's not. Bottom line, the scale doesn't lie. Last SS I saw on the scales=4260lbs with a 190lb driver. Until you actually have experience, you can run off.
@Milehighsnake98 So now you're lying more since you got busted? You're running high 14's at best according to your videos..I'll take the V6 Camaro and beat you with those crappy times. You should do some research kid, Camaro SS have been running mid to high 12's STOCK..I can find 14 of them on one site WITH TIME SLIPS. So the 190 lb driver added 400+ pounds of weight? I have trouble believing that..
Want to know my experience? Owning/driving/racing a 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS and beating every Mustang
@TheBulldawg4life Come race me then, since you THINK you can beat me. And you'll need the SS, because the V6 doesn't stand a chance. I'm guessing you don't have a clue what DA is, since you THINK a stock SS will run mid 12s stock. They won't. They run low 13s. Same as the Mustang Cobra did in 1996. As for the weight, this was the weight as quoted by the OWNER. Now, why would he lie and say his car is HEAVIER than it is, hmmm? No lying here.
@TheBulldawg4life Go back and watch the video of mine against an E46 M3. Those cars will go 12.90s stone stock. And look at that, I was within a tenth of him. Yes, I run 14.8s. Yes, the new SS won't go faster than 15.2 without drag radials here. Yes, I trap 95mph. Yes, a stock SS LS3 traps 96-97mph. Yes, the DA was over 9800'. Google what DA is and then get back to me, amateur.
@Milehighsnake98 I should say, an E46 M3 will run 12.90s stone stock on a hot day at SEA LEVEL. Not quite the same on a hot, humid day like that was with a DA over 9800'.
@Milehighsnake98 a Cobra ran low 13s in 1996... Laugh out FUCKING Loud.... go tell that shit to someone who wants to hear that BS... the Lt1 was thrashing those cars like no other in 1996... and the LT1 DIDN'T run low 13s...
@ luvscience44 the 99 GT 4.6 was 260 hp, and they dyno about 225-235whp. The 98 cobra is 305hp, dyno 265-270whp and is about 150-200lbs lighter than a 4th gen f body.
@Milehighsnake98 a 4the gen f-body hit the scales at 3200lbs... the exact SAME as a '99 Cobra... unfortunately the LS1s were 300-310whp... and would absolutely put it on your '99 Cobra
@AdamMc2003 SOME LS1s were 300-310. Some were 280. I've seen as high as 318whp, and as low as 267whp. They definitely weren't consistent in power. No idea why personally. A 4th gen Z28 with no options tips the scales dry at 3430lbs. And the 99/01 cobra was about 3400lbs as well. My 98 is 3270 with a full tank of gas. So my cobra is exactly 150lbs lighter than a Z28. And the 2001-2002 is another 130lbs heavier than the 99, at 3550lbs. That means my cobra is 270lbs lighter than a 2002 Z
@Milehighsnake98... they were very much consistent, 290-310whp... I don't know where you are gettin gyour 260whp numbers, must be off a mustang forum, lol... Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords had an article in 2000 about how Mustangs owners "need help" in fighting the old fight for the blue oval... the test car they had(a bone stock LS1 Z/28) went 12.89 in almost 100degree weather, lol... just google "Muscle Mustangs and fast fords stock LS1" click on images, look at the article that appears
@AdamMc2003 and one thing about... GM never had to recall a Camaro because its "rated horsepower"(*cough*320hp Cobra*cough*) was an outright LIE about 40hp away from the rated numbers, lol... the 1999 Cobras before the recall were rated 320hp...yet were dynoing about 240 to the wheels, lol... good stuff... even AFTER the update they were still slow as fuck... LS1 owners had no problem showing them some tail lights, that is for sure
@AdamMc2003 I'm guessing you don't even have a clue about the cause of that recall, so that comment isn't really worth .02. Either way, equal drivers in an 01 cobra or fixed 99 cobra and an LS1 F body=equal times.
@AdamMc2003 I actually have that article. That was the one that made 318whp, and it was an 02 SS, not Z/28. There weren't many differences, I know, but there was still differences. That same issue they had an E46 M3 on a sidebar go 12.97. That's a car that's both heavier and lower in torque than my cobra, and about the same HP as mine is at now.
@Milehighsnake98... the differences were, the SS had more options, bigger wheels, and weighed MORE than a Z/28... the fastest LS1 f-bodies were "stripper"(no option) Z/28s and firebird Formulas... NOT the SS Camaros or WS6 Trans Am... I don't care what Chevrolet and Pontiac "rated" those cars at, you ask any F-body owner what the fastest LS1 f-body is stock for stock, they will tell you, a no-option 6-speed formula or Z/28... they weighed about 100lbs LESS than a SS or WS6
@AdamMc2003 also it was a Z/28 they got to run 12.89, the SS only went 12.96... which proves my point... the SS Camaros were NO faster than the Z/28s and were actually slower... and with that being said, they never got a stock Cobra out of the high 13s, lol
@AdamMc2003 No argument here in that regard. But the real difference was less than a tenth in the 1/4, because the extra weight saved by a Z/Formula was pretty much made up for by the extra 7-10hp at speeds over 80mph from the ram air in the SS/WS6. Just like I know with the right setup (cam/heads/intake/full bolt ons) you can go 11.80s with any LS1 car.While I could do the same with my cobra ET wise, but it would take a bit more work. And a 98 Cobra factory was 3335lbs.
@Milehighsnake98 11.80s out a bolt-on/cam/head LS1? those are cam only numbers... and i'm talking a MILD cam... besides, everyone knows where the money is with a LS1 is in NITROUS... those engines will hold a 175shot like your Cobra will hold a 75 shot, its not unheard of for people to throw a 200shot at the stock internals... a 150shot, which is a hellacious shot, is a "conservative" shot on a LS1, lol... when you run into a cammed, nitrous, tuned LS1 on DRs... you forget all about boost
@AdamMc2003 Sorry, but cam only isn't dropping over 1 second. I know a cam can make a moderate difference, but not 1-1.5 seconds difference. Also, if an LS1 will take a 175 shot like my Cobra would hold a 75 shot, then an LS1 should be able to take a 500hp shot just fine, because MY Cobra will handle a 175 shot just fine without so much as more than 91 octane fuel.
@Milehighsnake98 ...so you're telling me Cam/bolt-on LS1 aren't running 11s? have you been lost the last 10 years? its not that is uncommon for you to run 11s with a cammed Ls1, its uncommon IF YOU DON'T, lol... a sprayed mustang is NOT going to last 100,000 miles on a 150 shot, sprayed LS1s have been taken well into the 150,000 mile range... mustangs are boost bandits, Ls1s are nitrous bandits... everyone who knows anything about cars knows that, difference between taking a shot and holding it
@AdamMc2003....and as far as the nitrous/blower comparison... well, Boost is expensive, for the kit and the SUPPORTING MODS(which people seem to always NOT take into account when comparing forced induction on paper) its going to be several thousand dollars.... a "realistic" number is about $5800-6000... you can have a nitrous kit with all the bells and whistles, RPM switches, etc. for $1500... and as stated before, off the showroom floor a LS1 will hold a hellacious shot
@AdamMc2003 there is a reason the LS1 f-bodies were called "street kings" from the late 1990s to the mid-2000s... and it wasn't because they were being outpaced by '99 Cobras... i'll just leave it at that... Ford new that had nothing for it that is why the '03 cobra is called the TERMINATOR... what do you think it was "terminating"? the bragging rights GM 4th gen f-bodies had because they'd been spanking Mustang ass since 1993(with the Lt1)
@AdamMc2003 Funny, why can't any LS1 F bodies beat me with similar bolt-ons then? Fact is, For most drivers, the Cobra and the LS1 F bodies were dead even from 1998 on when they first came out. LT1 cars get raped by 96+ Cobra's. The 03 Cobra was nicknamed Terminator internally by SVT Skunkworks, and the name stuck because fanbois liked the sound of it. The fact that it spanked the hell out of the LS1 cars was just a bonus.
@Milehighsnake98....you honestly believe any cobra prior to 1999 had anything for a Lt1 Z28? lol... the Lt1s put down 280whp and weighed LESS than the Ls1 f-bodies... it wasn't even a good damn race between a '96-'98 Cobras and the Lt1 f-bodies...
@AdamMc2003 they can out run you... the only reason you think they can't, is because you are the one driving a Cobra... you ask any who ISN'T a mustang guy, whether its a Nissan guy, a Mitsu guy, or a Honda guy and they will tell you: unless your 4-valve 4.6L has a blower, its in a LOSING battle with a LS1... that is stock for stock or mod for mod... the old saying is you can fall out of a boat and run 11s in a LS1 before you hit the water...
@AdamMc2003 or do you mean besides that your Cobra in the videos on your channel is slow as fuck, i see that you are "mile high"... i'm assuming Denver, 15.8s is still slow as fuck even in Denver, lol... if your car is SO MUCH FASTER now, where is the proof? you obviously have the ability to post videos of your car on youtube... just not any of it "out running LS1s or LS3"... why? I know why, because it fucking can't... why can't it? because its a slow ass n/a 4-valve Cobra
@AdamMc2003 you are a typical Mustang owner... you "talk about" beating LS1s, you "talk" about what you "could" do to make your car faster... but at the end of the day, when the tire meets the pavement, you're just left with a bunch of fucking excuses as to why your car just got decimated by multiple car lengths... the bull shit STOPS when the green light DROPS... my car is bone stock down to the filter, i'd give just about anything to see you line up beside it
@AdamMc2003 At the end of the day, when the lights drop, I end up winning against the cars I've been around. Better driver? Obviously. Better car? Possibly. Will you ever line up at the track against me? Nope, because I have no clue where you live, and I have no interest in driving out of state to meet someone who likely will not show up. Typical online challenges. You aren't the first kid to try it, and you won't be the last internet warrior.
@AdamMc2003 You are a typical Camaro owner. You think you can't lose to a better driver. I'm quite confident I'm a better driver and I'm quite confident my car is set up better than yours. Make all the excuses you want, I paid 1/3 as much for a car that's, in my experience, quicker than yours. Also, you're forgetting 1 little thing. My car is 13 years old. Your brand new camaro SHOULD be faster. And if you want to line up, fine. I might win, I might not. But at least I wouldn't be...you
@AdamMc2003 Average LS3 car goes 15.2@97. I'm going 14.8@95. That's beating. You're right, I do have the ability to post videos. Too bad the night all the LS3 cars were there, I was...There by myself. LT1 cars are about 15.8-16.2 on an average day. An LS2 Corvette has gone 15.90@102 against me. Not saying I'm faster than that car, because that driver sucked, but I beat him. Just like I was doing to the LS3s. That was about a year and a half ago, so maybe those people learned to drive.
@Milehighsnake98 you're a fucking idiot... do you know what altitude correction is? according to the NHRA, for Denver, CO its .9405... 14.8X.9405? 13.90s.... you're right, LS3 killer, lol... nevermind STOCK LS3 Camaros have ran in the 12s, lol... and you beat some shit ass drivers, who in the fuck cares... we aren't all like that, i'd love to see your face as you see CAR LENGTHS get put on your by a STOCK L99 Camaro(though it won't be for long, only had it 3 weeks)
@AdamMc2003 I mean do you REALLY think a LS3 Camaro or L99 Camaro(which has relatively no "driver error" so long as you can launch) is a low 14 second car? if you do, i'll sell you some nice ocean front property there in Denver
@AdamMc2003 Big words, little man. You're quoting conversions for Super Gas. Second, I don't care about conversion factors. Why? Because I race here. I'm not going to compare to a different elevation, because I'm not racing at those elevations. Bottom line, I'm trapping 95mph, the new SS traps 96-97. A good tune and headers and I'd trap in the 96s up here, but I don't have either of those, and I'm still beating them. "but but but" is irrelevant when you're winning races.
@Milehighsnake98 so we went from you outrunning the new SS's by car lengths... to you needing some mods all in about 3 post... hmm.. with a tune and a good set of headers on the SS, you'd still be seeing fucking tail lights..
@AdamMc2003 Still sounds like you're crying. "well, give the Camaro this and this..." Again, you can give me all the "if" comparisons you want, and I could do the same. So, just as a fair response to this lame remark..."Let's even the playing field. What's your stock SS cost? Call it $30k. I paid $13k for my car. Let me spend that extra $17,000 on go-fast parts. Then it's dollar vs dollar. And the GMs won't win. Even the ZR1 would get wasted at that point.
@Milehighsnake98 give me a Ls1 f-body which will cost less than your Cobra and with the same money, you'll lose in a LAND SLIDE.... the fact is a '10 SS Camaro will pimp slap you stock for stock OR mod for mod... whatever game you want to play... don't even play the new vs used game... i'm not the one driving a 10 year old car and trying to compare it to new pony cars...
@AdamMc2003 and if that is the case, one could take a LT1 Z28 or a fox body 5.0 and beat us both... however, I have the features of a new car, the styling of a new car, with the speed we all have grown to love... and in 10 years, people like yourself will be buying them and trying to compare them to a 600hp 2020 SS Camaro.... "I'm in high elevation and can't do math, give me headers, a tune, DRs, and every bolt-on known to man I still would be lucky to beat you stock!"
@AdamMc2003 Just what I thought. And I could get an 80s fox body and bitch slap that LS1 F body for less than the F body's scrap value. It's just a whining contest. All I was pointing out was how GM has had 12 years to develop the new SS camaro, and it's no faster than the last 2002 LS1 cars, and that I'm able to beat them both with my car as it sits, the last time I was at the track against them. Have the drivers gotten better? Maybe. Haven't been there in over a year.
@TheBulldawg4life there is no "mustang gt" in this video or DR s, but there is a 99 cobra with bald street nittos. People have been trying to talk some sense into you but your camaro fanatic antics just wont allow it. The v6 camaro lost by some cars. That's all there is to it.
ralatorre9 1 week ago
@ralatorre9 Ah yes..my bad. I forgot this video was for the more "powerful" Cobra not the GT. Bald nittos still provide more traction than the Camaro's tires, and it's a bolt-on top of the line Cobra against a stock V6 Camaro. The fact that the Camaro was even close at all is embarrassing and tells me my LS3 would run away from this pos.
TheBulldawg4life 1 week ago
@TheBulldawg4life Cool bro.
ralatorre9 1 week ago
I don't mean to seem so ornery...just some of the Ford fanboys on youtube have pissed me off lately, kinda made me take it out on everyone. You're obviously a smart guy, and you seem to know what you're talking about. I called you a kid because I call everyone kid (regardless of age), not because of your age.
The biggest problem I have with the DOHC motor is that swapping cams is SO expensive, and they don't really give as much advantage as is you swapped the cam for the LS3.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life yes id like to repeat the same statement to you. but hey what do you expect from youtube. cams are a royal bitch on dohc mod motors... well not on the 4.6's anymore since theyre not that expensive now, but yes it takes a lot of work and cash for a set. everyone knows small quad cam and big ohv have their highs and lows i dont see that changing soon either
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 I expect pretty much exactly what it gives out lol. DOHC is slightly more technologically advanced, but OHV is slightly more moddable. It's just a matter of what you like, ovals or bowties.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life true
Storm7289 1 month ago
I would also being willing to bet that the majority of owners of a GT or SS aren't modding them, or are doing nothing more than replacing can's or air filter.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life fine by me i wouldnt even think of driving that far to buy a car .well yes besides full exhaust intake and tune me neither except anyone who s/c's their car since the aftermarket is limited for the 5.0 nothing extreme except for some basic cams and the boss' manifold and heads. but the ls3 has readily available head cam swaps that net very large. i see price as a big determent
Storm7289 1 month ago
I live in NC, so going to California just to find out whether or not you own something is not gunna happen...why not just post a video like every other proud owner on youtube?
Yeah, plenty of Camaro owners swap out the stock suspension for a Ford 9' rear, but almost none of them are driving on the road or even road legal anymore. They're track cars.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
I'll put it this way...Lethal Performance (a very reputable and successful tuner) was only able to run a 12.32 at 111.71...with a 93 Octane Lund tune, 3' x-pipe, twin-disc clutch, an MT DR's...and you're stupid enough to believe someone went faster than that on a stock car their first time?? Ya right..
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life i could show you the video of the guy doing high 11's on dr's otherwise stock but i have a feeling its not reputable enough for you.
Storm7289 1 month ago
I'm sorry there aren't a bunch of videos of guys racing stock-stock SS and GT's..and the few that are on youtube seem to be L99 Camaro's instead of LS3's. Still the fact remains the fastest PROVEN car of the two is the Camaro SS. When someone brings up a time slip/video for confirmation of running faster than 12.588 in a stock Mustang GT, the edge goes to the SS in my eyes. Proven times > unproven claims.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life that timeslip is a load of shit. you probably pulled it up on dragtimes. chevy proclaimed the zl1 would do 12.2 with mt and 12.1 with a/t, mm&ff is almost 100% dead on with their time estimates. pretty sad a zl1 can only run a tenth quicker than a boss 302 not to mention mm&ff have a video of a bone stock street tire 2011 gt500 doing 12.09.
Storm7289 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life remember the 90's when the camaro dominated? yea so do i and i was humble in the fact that it was the faster car in most cases. but now the tables have turned and the mustang is faster, the only people that deny that are stubborn bowtie fanboys who have huge egos for a car manufacturer. the camaro died in 2002, now chevy just threw in a corvette drive train into a boat and call it a camaro thats bs, i only hope the general has something ready for MY2015
Storm7289 1 month ago
I'm so tired of seeing Ford fanboys use MT as their example of why the GT is supposedly better than the SS, while ignoring the Ford got every performance option available while the Camaro got nothing (short throw shifter and performance exhaust were available). Ford fans refuse to accept the results though when the Mustang and Camaro are both bone stock, all because the Mustang never can keep up.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life the 2011 mustang gt is faster then the 2011 camaro ss....search it if you dont be leave me
whitegxp313 1 month ago
@whitegxp313 not really. The fastest stock Mustang GT 1/4 mile time I can find is 12.23 (with no proof) the next closest I can find is 12.63 (again with no proof). However I can find a 12.588 Camaro SS with time slip.
I'll take 12.588 with a time slip over completely false claims (both Mustang claims are from guys who were racing for the first time so they say)...and I have serious trouble believing that someone who never raced before took off half a second from the fastest time 1st try.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
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whitegxp313 1 month ago
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@TheBulldawg4life I honestly cannot find one video with the camaro ss beating the mustang. Just type in the search bar 2011 mustang gt vs 2011 camaro ss every video the mustang wins. Im not a mustang fan boy i own a grand prix gxp. i love any car that is fast and the mustang gt is faster then the camaro ss
whitegxp313 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life ive witnessed a gt 6mt go 11.9 with slicks and thats it. stang is faster get over it, no shit its faster with the brembo brake package because its COMPARABLY equipped jesus grow a brain it still comes in cheaper with the upgraded interior and track pack than a 2ss camaro. there was no short throw shifter or performance exhuast listen to your fanboyness. the mustang won with factory options. its a quicker car mainly because its light
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 I've witnessed a Camaro SS go 5.88 with nothing but a tune...see what I did there??? The timeslip is completely legit, and was accepted as truth by a large number of reputable people on a reputable site. I'll put it this way...GM expected the the SS to hit 13.2...they were 7 tenths slower. That'd put the ZL1 at 11.3 with the auto (seeing as how GM predicts a 12.0) once owners get ahold of it.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life reputable by a bunch of fanboys? ok buddy. sorry the ss is slow this generation. the zl1 running 11.3 omg you are fucking high as a kite sorry to dissapoint but the zl1 wont be taking any trophies
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 Reputable by a bunch of OWNERS and people work at/with GM for a living and spend much of their free time at tracks. 12.588 PROVEN is extremely fast, faster than any Mustang GT has proven to run.
If the traction limited GT500 is supposedly running 11.5 it's not hard to imagine that the better shoed and vastly better suspended vehicle will get traction and launch down the track at a great speed. We've all seen the GT500 wheel hop with less HP...now it has 650?? lol that car will spin.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life still fanboys and a stang will trap higher than any camaro. have you even read about the new gt500 oh ignorant one. theres at least 6 upgrades including launch control lower ratio diff twin clutch and others to prevent that. im going to laugh in your face when it tramples the zl1 into history. hey why dont you quit arm chair racing and do it for real. im in so cal and id like to proove that your precious camaro is slower, oh you probabaly dont even have one do you?
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 lol you're such a child. You'll trust some kid saying his FIRST EVER run was half a second faster than ANYONE has run, and provides no proof. Then you'll go on to say that a trusted site that REQUIRES proof (timeslip/video) is lying?? Do you even take yourself seriously?
What would you race me with? You don't have anything to show for yourself...so what are you gunna do, get your peddle bike out and try to keep up?
You want to see mine, look at my videos.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life just like how the chally supposedly ran a legit 12.4 by dodge techs with a legit timeslip turns out it had DR's. most CHEVY message boards will admit the mustang is faster. does power to weight ratio mean anything to you? especially since gt's dyno at 373whp which means ford unerrated their cars again. whats the highest a camaro has ever trapped? why does every car mag save 1 say the mustang is faster on a track and in a line and vote it better than the camaro?
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 Power/weight means nothing when you don't take into account gearing, tires, tire height, weight distribution, and power curve. GT's are averaging about 365-370 on dyno's...that puts the bhp at 410, or do you not know how to do simple math?
113 is the highest trap speed I can find (with proof)...what's the fastest trap speed a Mustang has been proven to run? Mag's gave the Mustang the win in 2010 too when the Mustang never kept up with the Camaro in ANY category..it's a pop. contest..
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life oh no the tough guy calling me a kid now? keep running your mouth i bet you would run 14's in that pos 5th gen.... youre saying a camaro is incredibly fast? are you fucking high? a z06 is incredibly fast not a car that runs 13's with an avg driver. yes you idiot if a gt dynos at 373 which was motortrends dyno results at k&n in riverside CA it still equates to 435 if it had an irs setup like the camaro which puts near similar numbers at the wheel..
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 You're a kid, since when was that a big deal? I would say a bone stock 30k car that can run 12's is incredibly fast...so would basically ANYONE else with a brain.
Hmmm...lets see here MT got 373 at the wheel, using simple basic math that would put bhp at 414. The difference is the Roman cart axle only draws about 11% of the power, IRS pulls about 15%. If both put similar numbers at the wheel (and they are close) that would mean the LS3 has more in the engine..dur.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life since when is 22 years old considered a kid? am i missing something? yes the ls3 has more power at the flywheel and id imagine it would in any case, but at the wheel is what matters. you do know many camaro owners swap their irs for lra right
Storm7289 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life so does it matter if the camaro has more hp at the flyhweel? no because it has an irs setup. mustang also can come with 2 different sets of better gears than a camaro, not to mention lra>irs in a straight line not to mention a camaro CANT hang with a gt on the track dont even try to go there, i recall the gt being put up against a fully track equipped m3 with pilot sports and coming within .01 second of victory
Storm7289 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life tell me when youre in socal and ill show you what i have i dont need to throw it all over youtube like an armchair racer. id even return my car to stock just for you
Storm7289 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life oh wait let me guess youre one of those guys who when prooven wrong says shit like well idgaf because the camaro looks better. your head is so far up your ass because you dont want to accept the fact that the car you just spent a shitlload of cash on is obsolete. its not like we havent seen bolton ls1's take out 5th gen ss's all the time
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 LOL "come to me and then I'll prove I don't own anything!!!!" what a joke. Let me guess, you're one of those people who when challenged to prove what they claim you say it's not your job to prove it huh?
I'm one of those people who owns a REALLY nice car, that's incredibly fast. I'm one of those people who can actually PROVE I own the car. What can you prove kid?
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life id agree a camaro vs a mustang gt would be a drivers race in any case they are very equal cars ive seen both cars run 14+ at the hands of a shit driver, idgaf if you believe i own a 5.0 or not id be glad to show you in person if you do live in my area. and mind you these are stock cars..i dont know many owners that dont mod their american muscle car. now in the words of Jack Nicholson "cant we all just get along?"
Storm7289 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life hell fuck my 5.0 id be willing to race you in my brothers bolton 03 mach sound fair enough? lol
Storm7289 1 month ago
99 Cobra was the most overrated cobra ever. thats why they overpowered the 2003-04 Cobra terminator THAT would have put bus lengths on this
Pyrothos666 2 months ago
@Pyrothos666 YEA i THINK A HEAD SWAP AND COUPLE OTHER PARTS WERE REPLACED TO GET THE REAL NUMBERS
jagernbabyb 2 months ago
It kept up...
cruzito901 2 months ago
That V6 with 312 hp didn't do too bad against a 320 hp Cobra. For moment I thought the Cobra would put a bus length on that thing.
Naturalhit 3 months ago
@Naturalhit
The 2010 Camaro V6 has 304HP. 2011 Camaro V6 has 312HP and the new 2012 Camaro V6 has 323HP.
1JOHNBEAVERS 3 months ago
@1JOHNBEAVERS You're right sir.
Naturalhit 3 months ago
@Naturalhit well it does put bus lengths..hes not catching grip till 3rd look at it that way
while burning rubber hes murdering
patrickpp14 3 months ago
@patrickpp14 Both cars chirp and no the Cobra didn't go that far in length. I've watched it 5x's and I don't see him burning rubber (no smoke) or not gripping.
Naturalhit 3 months ago
motorcycles ftw..
amdz65 4 months ago
99 cobras arnt supercharged...
tliggexperience 4 months ago
I def. did not hear a supercharger in that "cobra"
matts324 4 months ago
@matts324 pre-2003 cobra's were not supercharged..99-01 they were alllllll naturally aspirated 4.6L 3V
patrickpp14 4 months ago
@patrickpp14 ohh ok, had no idea, Learn something new everyday haha!
matts324 4 months ago
@matts324 ya i guess lol
patrickpp14 4 months ago
@patrickpp14 4v not 3v. only the 05-10' s197 gts were 3v.
ralatorre9 2 months ago
Looked pretty close to me.
ssshane071 4 months ago
Man Dem 2010 Camaro's so slow. Go FORD
Jamal1053 4 months ago
ford sucks balls
BassLoverDari 5 months ago
@BassLoverDari Of course, why does it suck it just won.
ak47proshooter 5 months ago
@ak47proshooter for the simple fact of FORD is just a wack car company.their vehicles are poorley built.F=found O=on side of R=road D=dead.you dumb ass kid lol the shit stang STILL is unable to beat a vette....UMMMMMM."NEXT!"
BassLoverDari 5 months ago
@BassLoverDari Who said i was a kid??? and seriously a vette why compare it to a z06 everyone know they are seriously fast.
ak47proshooter 4 months ago
@BassLoverDari and a Ford GT shits on vettes all day...your point?
the race is between a camaro and a mustang, NOT A VETTE
patrickpp14 4 months ago
@patrickpp14 Ford GT hasn't shit on anything ..even in 2006 the Z06 (for half the cost) was less than 2 seconds slower at the 'Ring than the GT...now Chevy produces a Camaro ZL1 that is faster than the GT for 1/3 of the cost.
TheBulldawg4life 4 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life ya i heard about the zl1 and saw the track vid..its FREAKING SICK! but i heard the 2012 Shelby is to produce 600 WHEEL and its gonna be lighter than the ZL1 lol i raced a GT in my ZO6 bro, it was no contest the GT shits on me but thats because im stock bro..no way itll catch me after about 5-k in parts
patrickpp14 4 months ago
@patrickpp14 Ya...I'm thinking WAY too hard about trading my SS for a ZL1..The GT500 for 2013 is the one that gets the horsepower bump (I don't think the '12 gets anything new) but it doesn't worry me.
If you raced straight line against a GT, of course it punked you..those cars are incredibly fast straight line, the Z06 ends up faster in the corners though lol.
TheBulldawg4life 4 months ago
@patrickpp14 a ford GT shits on 10 plus year old camaros
Camarosindahood 3 months ago
@Camarosindahood you mean gets shits on?
ImEliteOG 3 months ago
@Camarosindahood what are you even talking about? and the ford GT cant beat a base model vette, and costs double
Camarosindahood 2 months ago
that bodystyle is just lightweight the camaro is too heavy :)
Android42019 5 months ago
the mustang won because it didnt have the extra weight of the lights being on lol
tundralover 5 months ago
i would rather drive a slower v8 muscle car like an old 5.0 stang than buy a newer v6 model...i dont care how fast the new v6 are the whole point of muscle cars is power/torque and the v8 sound....think back to when the muscle cars first came around in the 50's and 60's etc. the v8 is part of muscle car heritage and cant be replaced.
andytaurus 5 months ago
@andytaurus The first muscle car rolled off the line in 1961. It was a 409 4 speed chevy impala. Soon there after ford and mopar put there muscle cars on the market. I think most people confuse the hot-rod with a muscle car. they are not the same. A hot rod is custom a muscle car is factory. Dont even get me started on all the mod catagories. lol
epicfailureinc 5 months ago
go mustang
mrvideodude5677 6 months ago
hehehe commenting on a video of a bolt-on/DR 99 Cobra struggling mightly with a stock V6 Camaro, while saying your mostly stock 98 Cobra would beat an SS by car lengths is the most ignorant childish thing you could do.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life 10'+ SS Camaros weigh 3900lbs. and the 96-98 Cobra weighs in at 3300"ish".
BEST stock 1/4 mile time ever recorded for the maro was 13 seconds flat by InsideLine
The regular STOCK time recorded for the 98 Cobra was 13.7 seconds by MotorWeek.
So in essence it is very possible for that old Cobra to get a win over a new SS if the drivers are not equal in ability.
A few bolt ons on the Cobra and it may be anyone's race.
ralatorre9 2 months ago
@ralatorre9 The fastest recorded stock 2010 Camaro SS is 12.5 and you can see the timeslip if you want. Either way..an LS3 or L99 Camaro will walk a '90's Mustang, and basically all the the 2000-10 time frame too with the FBods.
TheBulldawg4life 2 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life You're quite the funny guy! 03-04 Cobras walk the new Camaro SS.
It doesn't take much to get an N/A 96-98 Cobra up there with the Stock SS. 3.73 gears, headers &mid pipe, street "cheater" slicks. Done.
That weight advantage vs a camaro is INEVITABLE.
The new maros hp numbers seem a bit overated, seeing as how the new 5.0 gets better dyno numbers stock vs. stock. gt is rated about 20 hp less than the ss yet shows on average of 10-20 more hp than the maro stock on dyno. hmmm..
ralatorre9 2 months ago
@ralatorre9 Rreally the 03-04 Cobra's can't beat the 5th gen without mods as both run high 12's stock.
Ok so since the Cobra get's mods the Camaro does too right? I'll take 4.10 gears, LT, CAI, and DR's. Don't forget..this video is a stock V6 Camaro stomping a modded 99 Cobra.
Where have you been looking at dyno numbers, because you should look again. The LS3 dominates the 5.0 up to 6k RPM (where I'm shifting) with at least 10+ HP all the way up to 6k. Don't get started with torque.
TheBulldawg4life 2 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life 5th gen camaros take a very good driver to get into 12's. 03 04 cobras rule 5th gens and dont even start with aftermarket
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 03-4 Cobra's take a great driver to get into 12's too. You almost HAVE to get under 2 seconds to '60 or you'll never get there..but with the SS 2.2 '60s will get you into the 12's almost every time.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life You said this video shows a v6 camaro "beating" an old cobra.... i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're blind and typing by touch or somehow you can't play the youtube video displayed above. HAHA
ralatorre9 1 week ago
@ralatorre9 I would say a stock V6 keeping up with a bolt-on DR Mustang GT is an ass whooping. Also, the comment you're referring to was probably in response to MileHighSnake who was under the impression his '98 Mustang would be even reasonably close at 1320 ft. with my '10 Camaro SS
TheBulldawg4life 1 week ago
@ralatorre9 Maybe you don't know this, but the Roman cart axle Ford throws under the Mustang has long been known to draw less parasitic power, close to 11%, while the independent suspension under the Camaro pulls out about 15%. When the average LS3 Camaro is pulling between 370-375/370-375 on dyno's across the country at 15% power loss the adjusted numbers are 430/430, while the Mustang averaging 370 (which is high, but whatever)/350 the real numbers are only 410/388.
TheBulldawg4life 2 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life well maybe your argument would be valid if the camaro handled better and was faster and also if they made a z28 to compete with the boss 302 and it was defeating m3's and audi r8 v8's on a track. ford made the lra setup work in 2011 there is really no denying that especially since the mags all praise the good work they did claiming it doesnt even feel like a lra setup anymore
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 The Camaro handles just fine, in fact it out handles (and out brakes) Mustang GT's in all categories except gpad skid numbers...and the only reason the GT get's better numbers there is a huge weight advantage.
Chevrolet doesn't need a Z28 to compete with the 302, M3, or R8 V8s...they've already got the ZL1 BEATING everything Ford ever made (including the GT), everything BMW ever made, beating every Audi ever made, beating Lambo's, Ferrari's, and Porsches..Ford aimed low with the 302.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life does NOT outbrake or outhandle the mustang, stang puts higher skidpad quicker figure 8 shorter stop distance. zl1 cant beat shit it runs 12's when the 13 gt500 runs 11.5 which was confirmed by mm&ff and outhandles said zl1. wheres the camaro on car and drivers top 10 list? how about motortrends 10 best cars which ranked the boss with nissan gtr ferrari 458 etc. auto mags had the ss doing 13's all day. mustang is faster this time get over it
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 You need to quit chocking on Ford's cock. You have no clue what the ZL1 run's in the 1/4 mile, and you certainly have no clue what the 2013 GT500 runs (no one does). MM&FF hasn't confirmed a 1/4 mile time you moron, they're GUESSING what it might run...seeing as how Ford won't let anyone touch their TEST MULES I'll venture out on a limb and guess you're talking out of your ass.
The record for a 2010 Camaro SS is 12.588, I don't care which auto mags ran half a second slower.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
@TheBulldawg4life from motortrend pony car wars test.
mustang 0-60 4.4 1/4 mile 12.7@113.3
60-0 104 ft
max lateral G .97g
figure 8 24.7@.77g
camaro 0-60 4.7 13.1@110.8
60-0 108 ft
max lateral G .92g
figure 8 25.2 @ 0.73g
weight is key
Storm7289 1 month ago
@Storm7289 I'm not going to bother posting numbers, instead I'll tell you to go look for InsideLine test between no performance optioned SS and GT. The thing you're missing from the MT article is that the Mustang GT they used had gears, tires, and brakes..you'll see what happens to the Mustang GT when you don't get gears, tires, and brakes.
TheBulldawg4life 1 month ago
Wow...how bout you provide a site that provides these numbers? Oh you can't?? That's what I thought.
Google "Camaro SS fast list" and the first link is Camaro5 (of which I'm a member) that shows the fastest stock, bolt-on, internal, and power adder lists.
I've now provided my proof (the same proof that has already been issued), while you still can't prove anything.
This video you're commenting on shows a V6 Camaro keeping up with a bolt-on/DR 99 Cobra..no one but you thinks you'd win.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
Oh and since you want to use dragtimes as your singular ignorant source of all possible abilities of a car the fastest 1998 Cobra is 14.01 @ 102 with a 2.14 '60. That makes it 1.14 seconds slower, 7 mph slower, and a full .1 slower to '60 than the Camaro SS...Go ahead and admit you're wrong and we'll let you march on your way.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
This tool is still claiming to beat LS1/LT1/LS3's isn't he?? lol...wow
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
Accept reality..your car is a turd, and not even Ford guys want it. Ford themselves rate the car as a 13.99 @ 101.6 ...check your owners manual.
Just stop embarrassing yourself by even trying to talk about beating an LS3 that has run 12.588 @ 110.3 BONE STOCK.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 So a car that runs slower than mine beat you, but you claim you'll beat a Camaro by half a second? Quit lying kid..everyone (except you obviously) knows the 2010 Camaro will stomp your little baby car and laugh all the way home.
google "2010 Camaro SS fast list" and stfu.
Like I said my Camaro would stomp on you, with a bad launch. Enjoy eating your crow, and please find your ignorant self elsewhere.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
LOL This idiot thinks a Mustang even competes with a Corvette? That's hysterical.
Go back to your little turd 4.6 that struggles to hit 14 seconds in the 1/4 mile, and let the men talk.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
Yes I have one from Australia. We own the leading ford dealer on the eastern regional area.
mica122213 6 months ago
the 99 cobras were built wrong and didnt even have 305 hp they had a recall to replace the intakes to make the produce the said hp. after that svt kissed ass and didnt make an 2000 cobra and the 01 and o2 cobra sucked as well. so then they came out with the forged motors and supercharged cobras in 03 and 04. which are the ones to have. how do i know this? cause i have one from every year.
mica122213 6 months ago
@mica122213 no you do not. you know how i know this? they didnt make a 2002 cobra available in the US. youre lying. prove it.
MRwieduwilt 6 months ago
Love Camaros, but they need a urgent weight reduction soon..
SharQus 6 months ago
Lol @ all of these keyboard warriors in here who will never own a new camaro or 5.0 mustang.
awgibson93 7 months ago
@awgibson93 yur fucking stupid
mondose2 6 months ago
@mondose2 You're* fucking stupid for not using proper grammar/spelling.
awgibson93 6 months ago
@awgibson93 your fucking stupid for thinking people need to use proper grammer on the internet
mondose2 6 months ago 2
@02sierra6L432tx Funny thing about your comment. The new 400+hp SS camaro is sill slower than a 305hp 4.6 cobra mustang. I know. Beaten them on the track plenty. I cOuld only imagine the kind of power and times I could put down with a 6.2l version of my 4.6. Oh, and one other thing. The new 5.0? It's based on my 4.6 and uses many components that are compatible with both.
Milehighsnake98 7 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 ...other than bore spacing/diameter nothing carried over.
Texarmageddon 7 months ago
@Milehighsnake98... I took a bone stock L99 that i've owned for less than 2 weeks and beat a Mach 1 by about 3 car lengths last night... and after that ran a 3-valve Bullit... the car is 100% stock, NEITHER of them were... if it isn't a terminator or a Coyote 5.0, yeah, I want to see you line up with a 6.2L Camaro... I have videos up on my channel, the car is 100% stock down the the air filter with 6100 miles on it and counting... it won't be stock long, it'll be a bottle fed baby before long
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 i'm also no keyboard warrior... and contrary to popular belief, the younger generation CAN own nice sports cars, instead of being "keyboard warriors"... I consider myself to be "young"(26) and picked up my 2SS/RS August 6th
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 The LS3 6.2L Camaro with driver is about 4300lbs and 425hp. My cobra is 3500lbs with me and in present state is about 340hp. So they are about the same power to weight ratio. Difference? Unlike that POS camaro, I get traction.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98...the Camaro hits the scale at 3900lbs... for it to weigh 4300lbs, you have to have a 400lb driver, lol... as far as traction, once again... feel free to view my videos... two words describe it: hooking up
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 the pre-2003 Cobras are high 13 second cars, AT BEST... most of them ran in the damn 14s because of shitty driving... but to be fair, high 13s at best... the L99s off the lot go 13.20-13.30s... but here is the kicker, know what the SS stands for in Camaros? STOCK SUCKS.... and guess what TUNE ONLY, the L99s gain about half a second, rip off 1.8-1.9 60s on the STOCK tires and have gone 12.8s with a $400 tune ONLY... no headers, no drag radials, nothing... a tune
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 and sorry for the triple but that is why I have to kind of sit back and shake my head at the Coyote 5.0... it comes with shorty headers, a Cold air intake, and 3.73 gears FROM THE FACTORY... it better be fast, lol... its pretty much full bolt-on... anyone want to give a LS3 3.73s, a cold air intake, headers, and line them up?
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Your camaro comes from the factory with a cold air intake. The Coyote doesn't have headers. And the 3.73s are an OPTION. God you chevy fanbois make up EVERY excuse you can when you get stomped by a Ford. Okay, if you want to make EVERYTHING fair, let's increase the Coyote to a 6.2L engine. Wait, then the mustang would be walking all over the corvettes. Wait, it already is.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98... no it doesn't come with a factory cold air intake, it doesn't even have the air snorkel out of the box... the Coyote DOES have shorty headers from the factory, feel free to look that up... the 5.0s running 12.80s from the factory.......have the 3.73 option, which is my point...
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 I think we should just accept this guy has no grasp on reality. He's convinced himself a 98 Cobra can actually beat an LS3 by half a second, logic won't even penetrate his thick skull.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes. Fact is, I'm a better driver than most LS3 owners. I already said they trap about 2mph higher than me, showing there's the possibility of beating me. But, the car is a POS that can't put the power to the ground, and it's a POS that loses to me.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 EVERY car made in the last 15 years comes from the factory with a cold air intake. And the Coyote might have free flowing manifolds, but they aren't headers. But let me step back and say, I don't consider "shorty headers" to be headers. Headers have a 30" primary length, but that's the old-fashioned gearhead influence. And the 5.0s running 12.30s from the factory have 3.55s. Ultimately, though, whether it has optional gears or not, it's still factory stock.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Actually, it does come with a factory cold air intake. Looking at a picture of the Camaro engine bay, unless I'm mistaken, that looks like an air snorkel feeding from the bottom of the airbox into the fender.
And the fastest 5.0s have the 3.55s. Just like the 96-98 Cobra, 3.73s don't help them any, they put it between gears. But the 5.0s are running 12.30s with the 3.55s stock.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 no.. the camaro does NOT come with the factory snorkel... GMPP does offer a "air box upgrade" with the snorkel........for $450... now who would buy that considering a full fledged CAI can be had for $350, well, I don't know... and show me a stock Coyote running 12.30s on the production tire
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 and they Coyote has HEADERS... google: "2011 Coyote 5.0 factory headers" look at the picture on Mustangexhaust and tell me THAT isn't a damn header, lol
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 The pre-03 cobras are low 13s at best. Best I've ever seen from a stock 96-98 is 13.2. So again, know what you're talking about before opening your trap. And no, they won't "rip off" a 1.8 60 on stock 20" wheels. But nice try at trolling.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 4260lbs with a 190lb driver at the track. A real track. With a real scale.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 My LS3 2SS/RS doesn't even weigh in at 4000 lbs with me in it...so no, don't play that bs here. I have better power/weight, far better tires, much more usable torque, and oh ya..give me CAI and exhaust (and whatever else you put on your Cobra) and watch me run mid 12's all day.
My Camaro SS has dyno'd (bone stock) higher at the wheels than your flywheel numbers..if your car is so bad line it up against an LS3 and see what happens lol
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life You really are cocky, aren't you? I've already "lined up with" a number of new Camaro LS3s. They are running .4-.5 second slower than me in the 1/4 mile. Poor SS. You would think that 15 years of development in the LS engines, in chassis design and in tire construction would have made the SS faster than the 1998, but it's not. Bottom line, the scale doesn't lie. Last SS I saw on the scales=4260lbs with a 190lb driver. Until you actually have experience, you can run off.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 So now you're lying more since you got busted? You're running high 14's at best according to your videos..I'll take the V6 Camaro and beat you with those crappy times. You should do some research kid, Camaro SS have been running mid to high 12's STOCK..I can find 14 of them on one site WITH TIME SLIPS. So the 190 lb driver added 400+ pounds of weight? I have trouble believing that..
Want to know my experience? Owning/driving/racing a 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS and beating every Mustang
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life Come race me then, since you THINK you can beat me. And you'll need the SS, because the V6 doesn't stand a chance. I'm guessing you don't have a clue what DA is, since you THINK a stock SS will run mid 12s stock. They won't. They run low 13s. Same as the Mustang Cobra did in 1996. As for the weight, this was the weight as quoted by the OWNER. Now, why would he lie and say his car is HEAVIER than it is, hmmm? No lying here.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life Go back and watch the video of mine against an E46 M3. Those cars will go 12.90s stone stock. And look at that, I was within a tenth of him. Yes, I run 14.8s. Yes, the new SS won't go faster than 15.2 without drag radials here. Yes, I trap 95mph. Yes, a stock SS LS3 traps 96-97mph. Yes, the DA was over 9800'. Google what DA is and then get back to me, amateur.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 I should say, an E46 M3 will run 12.90s stone stock on a hot day at SEA LEVEL. Not quite the same on a hot, humid day like that was with a DA over 9800'.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 a Cobra ran low 13s in 1996... Laugh out FUCKING Loud.... go tell that shit to someone who wants to hear that BS... the Lt1 was thrashing those cars like no other in 1996... and the LT1 DIDN'T run low 13s...
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 I've come into contact with minus a few races with 5.0 guys, and even still I've beaten them as much as they beat me.
TheBulldawg4life 6 months ago
@ luvscience44 the 99 GT 4.6 was 260 hp, and they dyno about 225-235whp. The 98 cobra is 305hp, dyno 265-270whp and is about 150-200lbs lighter than a 4th gen f body.
Milehighsnake98 7 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 a 4the gen f-body hit the scales at 3200lbs... the exact SAME as a '99 Cobra... unfortunately the LS1s were 300-310whp... and would absolutely put it on your '99 Cobra
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 SOME LS1s were 300-310. Some were 280. I've seen as high as 318whp, and as low as 267whp. They definitely weren't consistent in power. No idea why personally. A 4th gen Z28 with no options tips the scales dry at 3430lbs. And the 99/01 cobra was about 3400lbs as well. My 98 is 3270 with a full tank of gas. So my cobra is exactly 150lbs lighter than a Z28. And the 2001-2002 is another 130lbs heavier than the 99, at 3550lbs. That means my cobra is 270lbs lighter than a 2002 Z
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98... they were very much consistent, 290-310whp... I don't know where you are gettin gyour 260whp numbers, must be off a mustang forum, lol... Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords had an article in 2000 about how Mustangs owners "need help" in fighting the old fight for the blue oval... the test car they had(a bone stock LS1 Z/28) went 12.89 in almost 100degree weather, lol... just google "Muscle Mustangs and fast fords stock LS1" click on images, look at the article that appears
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 and one thing about... GM never had to recall a Camaro because its "rated horsepower"(*cough*320hp Cobra*cough*) was an outright LIE about 40hp away from the rated numbers, lol... the 1999 Cobras before the recall were rated 320hp...yet were dynoing about 240 to the wheels, lol... good stuff... even AFTER the update they were still slow as fuck... LS1 owners had no problem showing them some tail lights, that is for sure
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 I'm guessing you don't even have a clue about the cause of that recall, so that comment isn't really worth .02. Either way, equal drivers in an 01 cobra or fixed 99 cobra and an LS1 F body=equal times.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 I actually have that article. That was the one that made 318whp, and it was an 02 SS, not Z/28. There weren't many differences, I know, but there was still differences. That same issue they had an E46 M3 on a sidebar go 12.97. That's a car that's both heavier and lower in torque than my cobra, and about the same HP as mine is at now.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98... the differences were, the SS had more options, bigger wheels, and weighed MORE than a Z/28... the fastest LS1 f-bodies were "stripper"(no option) Z/28s and firebird Formulas... NOT the SS Camaros or WS6 Trans Am... I don't care what Chevrolet and Pontiac "rated" those cars at, you ask any F-body owner what the fastest LS1 f-body is stock for stock, they will tell you, a no-option 6-speed formula or Z/28... they weighed about 100lbs LESS than a SS or WS6
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 also it was a Z/28 they got to run 12.89, the SS only went 12.96... which proves my point... the SS Camaros were NO faster than the Z/28s and were actually slower... and with that being said, they never got a stock Cobra out of the high 13s, lol
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 They went 13.30 with both a 1999 and a 1996 Cobra. And last I checked, 13.30 was low 13s, not high 13s.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 No argument here in that regard. But the real difference was less than a tenth in the 1/4, because the extra weight saved by a Z/Formula was pretty much made up for by the extra 7-10hp at speeds over 80mph from the ram air in the SS/WS6. Just like I know with the right setup (cam/heads/intake/full bolt ons) you can go 11.80s with any LS1 car.While I could do the same with my cobra ET wise, but it would take a bit more work. And a 98 Cobra factory was 3335lbs.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 11.80s out a bolt-on/cam/head LS1? those are cam only numbers... and i'm talking a MILD cam... besides, everyone knows where the money is with a LS1 is in NITROUS... those engines will hold a 175shot like your Cobra will hold a 75 shot, its not unheard of for people to throw a 200shot at the stock internals... a 150shot, which is a hellacious shot, is a "conservative" shot on a LS1, lol... when you run into a cammed, nitrous, tuned LS1 on DRs... you forget all about boost
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Sorry, but cam only isn't dropping over 1 second. I know a cam can make a moderate difference, but not 1-1.5 seconds difference. Also, if an LS1 will take a 175 shot like my Cobra would hold a 75 shot, then an LS1 should be able to take a 500hp shot just fine, because MY Cobra will handle a 175 shot just fine without so much as more than 91 octane fuel.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
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AdamMc2003 6 months ago
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@Milehighsnake98 ...so you're telling me Cam/bolt-on LS1 aren't running 11s? have you been lost the last 10 years? its not that is uncommon for you to run 11s with a cammed Ls1, its uncommon IF YOU DON'T, lol... a sprayed mustang is NOT going to last 100,000 miles on a 150 shot, sprayed LS1s have been taken well into the 150,000 mile range... mustangs are boost bandits, Ls1s are nitrous bandits... everyone who knows anything about cars knows that, difference between taking a shot and holding it
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003....and as far as the nitrous/blower comparison... well, Boost is expensive, for the kit and the SUPPORTING MODS(which people seem to always NOT take into account when comparing forced induction on paper) its going to be several thousand dollars.... a "realistic" number is about $5800-6000... you can have a nitrous kit with all the bells and whistles, RPM switches, etc. for $1500... and as stated before, off the showroom floor a LS1 will hold a hellacious shot
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 there is a reason the LS1 f-bodies were called "street kings" from the late 1990s to the mid-2000s... and it wasn't because they were being outpaced by '99 Cobras... i'll just leave it at that... Ford new that had nothing for it that is why the '03 cobra is called the TERMINATOR... what do you think it was "terminating"? the bragging rights GM 4th gen f-bodies had because they'd been spanking Mustang ass since 1993(with the Lt1)
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Funny, why can't any LS1 F bodies beat me with similar bolt-ons then? Fact is, For most drivers, the Cobra and the LS1 F bodies were dead even from 1998 on when they first came out. LT1 cars get raped by 96+ Cobra's. The 03 Cobra was nicknamed Terminator internally by SVT Skunkworks, and the name stuck because fanbois liked the sound of it. The fact that it spanked the hell out of the LS1 cars was just a bonus.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98....you honestly believe any cobra prior to 1999 had anything for a Lt1 Z28? lol... the Lt1s put down 280whp and weighed LESS than the Ls1 f-bodies... it wasn't even a good damn race between a '96-'98 Cobras and the Lt1 f-bodies...
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 they can out run you... the only reason you think they can't, is because you are the one driving a Cobra... you ask any who ISN'T a mustang guy, whether its a Nissan guy, a Mitsu guy, or a Honda guy and they will tell you: unless your 4-valve 4.6L has a blower, its in a LOSING battle with a LS1... that is stock for stock or mod for mod... the old saying is you can fall out of a boat and run 11s in a LS1 before you hit the water...
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Considering the LS3 can't beat me, I'd say I'm not too worried about an LS1.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98... what is done to your car, I can't wait to hear the mod list on this LS3 beating '99 Cobra...
"uhh, x-pipe, gears, pullies, DRs, I run low 11s"
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 or do you mean besides that your Cobra in the videos on your channel is slow as fuck, i see that you are "mile high"... i'm assuming Denver, 15.8s is still slow as fuck even in Denver, lol... if your car is SO MUCH FASTER now, where is the proof? you obviously have the ability to post videos of your car on youtube... just not any of it "out running LS1s or LS3"... why? I know why, because it fucking can't... why can't it? because its a slow ass n/a 4-valve Cobra
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 you are a typical Mustang owner... you "talk about" beating LS1s, you "talk" about what you "could" do to make your car faster... but at the end of the day, when the tire meets the pavement, you're just left with a bunch of fucking excuses as to why your car just got decimated by multiple car lengths... the bull shit STOPS when the green light DROPS... my car is bone stock down to the filter, i'd give just about anything to see you line up beside it
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 At the end of the day, when the lights drop, I end up winning against the cars I've been around. Better driver? Obviously. Better car? Possibly. Will you ever line up at the track against me? Nope, because I have no clue where you live, and I have no interest in driving out of state to meet someone who likely will not show up. Typical online challenges. You aren't the first kid to try it, and you won't be the last internet warrior.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 You are a typical Camaro owner. You think you can't lose to a better driver. I'm quite confident I'm a better driver and I'm quite confident my car is set up better than yours. Make all the excuses you want, I paid 1/3 as much for a car that's, in my experience, quicker than yours. Also, you're forgetting 1 little thing. My car is 13 years old. Your brand new camaro SHOULD be faster. And if you want to line up, fine. I might win, I might not. But at least I wouldn't be...you
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Average LS3 car goes 15.2@97. I'm going 14.8@95. That's beating. You're right, I do have the ability to post videos. Too bad the night all the LS3 cars were there, I was...There by myself. LT1 cars are about 15.8-16.2 on an average day. An LS2 Corvette has gone 15.90@102 against me. Not saying I'm faster than that car, because that driver sucked, but I beat him. Just like I was doing to the LS3s. That was about a year and a half ago, so maybe those people learned to drive.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 you're a fucking idiot... do you know what altitude correction is? according to the NHRA, for Denver, CO its .9405... 14.8X.9405? 13.90s.... you're right, LS3 killer, lol... nevermind STOCK LS3 Camaros have ran in the 12s, lol... and you beat some shit ass drivers, who in the fuck cares... we aren't all like that, i'd love to see your face as you see CAR LENGTHS get put on your by a STOCK L99 Camaro(though it won't be for long, only had it 3 weeks)
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 I mean do you REALLY think a LS3 Camaro or L99 Camaro(which has relatively no "driver error" so long as you can launch) is a low 14 second car? if you do, i'll sell you some nice ocean front property there in Denver
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Big words, little man. You're quoting conversions for Super Gas. Second, I don't care about conversion factors. Why? Because I race here. I'm not going to compare to a different elevation, because I'm not racing at those elevations. Bottom line, I'm trapping 95mph, the new SS traps 96-97. A good tune and headers and I'd trap in the 96s up here, but I don't have either of those, and I'm still beating them. "but but but" is irrelevant when you're winning races.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 so we went from you outrunning the new SS's by car lengths... to you needing some mods all in about 3 post... hmm.. with a tune and a good set of headers on the SS, you'd still be seeing fucking tail lights..
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 also news flash, everywhere else the New SS's are out trapping the N/A Cobras by about 7-8mph.... about 110mph to 103mph to be exact
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Still sounds like you're crying. "well, give the Camaro this and this..." Again, you can give me all the "if" comparisons you want, and I could do the same. So, just as a fair response to this lame remark..."Let's even the playing field. What's your stock SS cost? Call it $30k. I paid $13k for my car. Let me spend that extra $17,000 on go-fast parts. Then it's dollar vs dollar. And the GMs won't win. Even the ZR1 would get wasted at that point.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 give me a Ls1 f-body which will cost less than your Cobra and with the same money, you'll lose in a LAND SLIDE.... the fact is a '10 SS Camaro will pimp slap you stock for stock OR mod for mod... whatever game you want to play... don't even play the new vs used game... i'm not the one driving a 10 year old car and trying to compare it to new pony cars...
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 and if that is the case, one could take a LT1 Z28 or a fox body 5.0 and beat us both... however, I have the features of a new car, the styling of a new car, with the speed we all have grown to love... and in 10 years, people like yourself will be buying them and trying to compare them to a 600hp 2020 SS Camaro.... "I'm in high elevation and can't do math, give me headers, a tune, DRs, and every bolt-on known to man I still would be lucky to beat you stock!"
AdamMc2003 6 months ago
@AdamMc2003 Just what I thought. And I could get an 80s fox body and bitch slap that LS1 F body for less than the F body's scrap value. It's just a whining contest. All I was pointing out was how GM has had 12 years to develop the new SS camaro, and it's no faster than the last 2002 LS1 cars, and that I'm able to beat them both with my car as it sits, the last time I was at the track against them. Have the drivers gotten better? Maybe. Haven't been there in over a year.
Milehighsnake98 6 months ago