Make Nitric Acid using Sodium Hydrogen Sulfate

[Agentoxedo07]

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*=* Good stuff to using sodium hydrogen sulfate[NaHSO4] for a solid acid using to make a acid with mixed in potassium nitrate, is possible to make hydrochloric acid with sodium chloride or potassium chloride!

[andreh4eva]

@Agentoxedo07 yes it will work, but also require a high temperature to be achieved

[AlChemicalLife]

Pt from my other comment is that a god price for the distiller

[AlChemicalLife]

Is this distiller 24/40 joints? If so where did u get it. I'm getting mine from eBay ..Is 165$ for a distilling kit that comes with 5 flasks 2 condensers a bleed tube an a sep. funnel

[98JMA]

@AlChemicalLife

24/40 are good size joints for general use, and its what I've got on mine . . .consider 19/26 an absolute minimum as they are often too small.

If the parts are new, then it does seem like a reasonable price. Ground glassware is very expensive to produce because of the extreme uniformity required, and that's why it is much more costly than standard lab glassware without these joints.

[lolpaajo]

yor voice is SCARY!!

[shuhia1]

Can I use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate?

[Aranwu]

i don't know if it is because of the potassium nitrate that large amount of nitrogen dioxide gas is formed. i've tried distilling nitric acid with sodium nitrate and potassium nitrate, sodium nitrate, for me , doesn't show much foam forming nor much gases however the potassium nitrate makes much more gases and foams a lot. im not sure if it is really the potassium nitrate that is making the reaction so different (both distillation i did were with 98% sulfuric acid)

[ChemManTCAP]

The high temp of your distillation to melt the salts about 197 Celsius is simultaneously decomposing the nitric acid to nitrogen dioxide. Making a concentrated solution of sodium bisulfite should solve the bubbling problem. Also try adding boiling stones. I probably try this myself when I have time.

[lanschr0]

I noticed that you hadn't used a ice bath in your collecting flat bottom flask. You can improve the yield, by putting your collecting flat bottom flask in an ice bath. That should help you improve the nitric acid yield.

[ChemManTCAP]

Tried a similar method to this and had the same problem. Try washing your reagents with denatured alcohol to remove any plasticizers or other compounds the manufacture may have added. Also try adding some boiling stones if you have any.

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

Check out the video response and check out my channel while your at it! :D

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

@ hkparker yes, double salts such as NaKSO4 are possible to form but I don't believe the specific example you provided is feasible. None the less double salts are definitely possible.

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

@ hkparker yes, doub

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

I tried this reaction in an aqueous environment. Sorry guys no dice when it's all solvated in water or anything for that matter.

[adriiPortillo]

Just boil with some water and then add carbon tetracloride in excess. It will suck up absolute (not anhydrous) nitric acid and can be distilled easy or even better, used as is, withput decomposing to NOx

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

@myst32yt mine does indeed foam quite a bit when I use H2SO4, however it doesn't appear to foam quite as much as your NaHSO4 method. I typically use a flask 5 times the volume of the reactants to avoid any problems with foaming. PS, I was copying your can still method and found that a bead of solder that holds the treads of the can on to the can itself is dissolved by the HNO3. Forgot about that.) in 7 days I will attempt your bisulfate method, I have access to PH down but mine lacks the large

[olympicfan2]

Sulfuric acid isn´t so dangerous.

[hkparker]

A few ideas, not sure how much it will help but maybe try grinding both powders very fine and mixing throughly? The difference is surface area might change how it foam. Ive used urea to catch NO2 before it worked very well, so you could try that if your having a problem with NO2. What do you think?

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

Please reply, much appreciated.

[2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin]

Try using your can-still, HNO3 barely reacts with iron unlike H2SO4 which forms sulfates at elevated temperatures. I don't recommend the use of your flat bottom flask for this because in my experience in making nitric acid with H2SO4 and KNO3 the potassium sulfate like yours gets locked in the flask until you dissolve it and if you melt it the solidification will bust your flask. This won't happen all the time but it happened to me on the tenth time or somewhere around there. Try attaching your

[myst32YT]

@2Lazy2ThinkOfSomthin Does yours foam up? I think I have a way to do this in an all glass setup that can be disposable...

[carambatsr]

Was that a old solid copper penny or a new copper coated zinc penny? Anything will disolve zinc. Great experiment and excellent video. Thanks.

[myst32YT]

@carambatsr Yeah it was an old solid penny. Thanks!

[DoktorKlawonn]

Nice work! Did you experience any problems in cleaning the destillation flask afterwards?

[myst32YT]

@DoktorKlawonn Yes... It is a real pain!! Had to boil water in to get it to dissolve .

[Niobium94]

Great video, I already knew this method but you made really a great work.

Keep it up!

[AHW214]

I think that the reason why there's so much NO2 is because the heat used to melt the NaHSO4 decomposes the HNO3. I think it would work if you dissolved the two together in some water then heated it to drive the HNO3 off as 67%. I think the foam would be the HNO3 gas inside the molten NaHSO4 which would form "bubbles.

[AHW214]

Before I've done an experiment where NaHSO4 and NaCl had solidified "rock hard" at the bottom of a test tube. I added a solution of NaHCO3 (baking soda) and it reacted with excess NaHSO4 dissolving the Na2SO4 produce leaving gaps in the "rock" which allowed it to slip out.

[AHW214]

Thanks for making the video, I would subscribe 100,000 times, but I might kill the subscribe button, oh, and youtube won't let me.

[AHW214]

Maybe if you added water to the mixture then the NaHSO4 and KNO3 would react and then you could distill the HNO3 out but it would be more dilute.

[TesconWhitepaw]

Do you think that a small addition of H2SO4 to the reaction vessel, and/or a portion of H2O2 would increase your yield at all?

It also seems most of the nitrate you used ended up lost as nitrogen dixoide gas; have you considered doing a pseudo-Nurdrage set up and bubbling the gas through H2O2, or water?

[myst32YT]

@TesconWhitepaw Going to try the acid addition... Yes I thought about adding a tube to the vac takeoff and bubbling it through some H2O2... and make two different acid concentrations ...

[megamarko94]

What is approximately the conc. Of acid

[myst32YT]

@megamarko94 I would guess in the 85%-95%

[Chaoschemiker]

To avoid a hot molten salt-medium you may add some sulfuric acid to give it a slurry character, also it should be possible, according to "Dunescha's" comment, to add some water. @AHW214: Working with NaHSO4 is a bit overestimated i guess. You wont come really cheaper, even you got only a much weaker acid than H2SO4 in there. And, you experienced yourself: The more salts you put in in the beginning, the more salts will be waste. Working with H2SO4 yields a "salt-cake" as well but not this much.

[hobomnky]

copper+ nitric acid = most beautiful reation ever!

[myst32YT]

@hobomnky Agreed!!

[Dunescha]

i think you could probably get a better yeild and less nitrogen dioxide formation by adding some water along with the salts. it would give a lower end concentration, but the lower temperatures would make it allot safer, and cause less decomposition of the nitric acid.

[myst32YT]

@Dunescha Will try... How much water would you guess would need to be added?

[Dunescha]

@myst32YT um, i guess it would depend on how concentrated you wanted the acid, if it was just the acid you were after and the concentration didnt matter, adding plenty af water should give good yeilds. if a more concentrated final product was desired, then maybe something like 50g of water per 100g of KNO3, giving concentration of ~65%.

[AHW214]

@myst32YT

What if the salts were dissolved and reacted to form HNO3(aq) and NaKSO4(?)(aq)

and then the HNO3 was removed by distillation to 68%?

BTW if KNO3 and NaHSO4 reacted they would hypothetically form NaKSO4- are double salts like these possible to form.

[AlChemicalLife]

@myst32YT i think make a very conc. solution of both and then heat them up.can you try that so i dont mess up my $150 boiling flask with the method of melting both solids?

[AlChemicalLife]

@myst32YT and do you think it is normal for a 12 year old kid (me) to spend $600 on chemicals and glass wear ?

[thegodofchemistry]

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[AlChemicalLife]

@thegodofchemistry how about u shut your 11 year old mouth up. i cant spell but u know what im a lot more mature then u. GO FUCK OFF

[thegodofchemistry]

@AlChemicalLife dude i didn't write that to you its someone thats always hacking my account

[98JMA]

@AlChemicalLife

Well, if you enjoy chemistry like me, then perhaps yes . . .

[darkfang77]

@myst32YT

Hydrogen peroxide will also improve the yield =)

[98JMA]

@myst32YT

See NurdRage's video on making hydrochloric acid . . .he adds water for the same reason and explains it.

[mcwario13]

@myst32YT probably 150 ml because when boiled they will dissolve and make a conc. solution

[demnlordd666]

@Dunescha , adding water to sodium hydrogen sulfate makes a seriously strong acid. wikipedia states that a 1M solution of sodium hydrogen sulfate ( sodium bisulfate ) has a ph of >1. so wheres the safety in not using acid at that point. use a larger beaker or less reagents. and pool ph down has buffers and other things in it btw

[demnlordd666]

@demnlordd666 sorry meant "<1" ph

[panzuman]

great vid and i would love to try this out some time

[jeriellsworth]

I like that you roll your sleeves up and try things.

[myst32YT]

@jeriellsworth This is why I like your videos too!!

[spotlightman1234]

i'm going to make a video on making nitric acid soon if you want to copy my method you can because your video will be a billion times better than mine just give me credit (duh)

[myst32YT]

@spotlightman1234 Sure... Pm me how you make it...

[spotlightman1234]

awesome you responded to that guy's comment!!!