@Vindaven That's a good reply with great sentiment. Unfortunately, police too often can't be trusted with the power of their badges, and they insist on proving it over and over and over again, ad nauseum. It sucks when, in the line of their duties, people like GloriousCoconut have to poke their noses and cameras into their work, but I also think it holds the police to a high standard. Furthermore, with the Keene PD especially, I think that due in part to the behavior of the --->
@Vindaven (cont'd) due in part to the behavior of the local activists, they HAVE reached, and CONTINUE to achieve, an extremely high level of professionalism. I posit that should a crooked cop ever manage his way into a position at the KPD, he would be quickly frowned upon by his new co-workers, as they've worked pretty hard to understand and live in tune with the locals as much as possible, even the free-keeners, and god willing, they would run the bastard out on a rail.
@Vindaven (cont'd) Being a cop is NOT an easy job, but that doesn't make it OK for them to exert any undue force (especially when enforcing unjust/unconstitutional laws, which they ALL do), Moreover, nobody is forcing them to be a cop. People who join police agencies KNOW, or SHOULD KNOW, that the job is shitty, sometimes dangerous, thankless, and all around makes them a turd. When some prick in a black mumu or some other prick in a suit orders you to go hurt people who haven't hurt anyone,
@Vindaven (cont'd) you know you're in a shitty line of work. Maybe cops (those with consciences) should kick the tires on the idea of finding another line of work, cross the lines, join their free American brethren, and raise their voices as well. At the end of the day, we're all in this together.
I consider myself a liberal. However, I believe the police are better morally than you seem to give them credit for... saying they "all too often cannot be trusted with their badges". I think the average cop is more moral than the average non-cop.
Would the free-keeners support a cop that shot and killed a crazy guy holding (not shooting - yet) a gun? I don't think so - which I think is wrong. IMO: Cops should be allowed to one-up use of force.
@Vindaven I personally wouldn't support the cop shooting anyone, but that's because with an armed citizenry (as you will find in Keene), the chances of a man with a gun going bonkers drops significantly in the first place; he'd choose a different state for that BS if he had any brains at all. Beyond that, it doesn't really matter who takes the guy down when/if he cocks/levels his gun. Whether he attempts "suicide by cop" or citizen is irrelevent.
@Vindaven (cont'd) To say that the avergae cop has "better" or "more" moral fortitude is going out on a pretty shaky limb. I should know. There are 4 cops in my family, I know their general collective "blue line" standpoint, so I know precisely how far the "blue line" allows itself to slide, on average, against constitutional protections. To give anyone more power than would be equal to your own is simply dangerous.
@Vindaven (cont'd) NOT to mention, with the recent lawsuit in Georgia where the genius who wanted to be a cop was (literally) disqualified from the position due to his high-IQ (yes, I'm serious), it's blatantly obvious that the new-and-improved method for hiring new officers requires that they be "less than intelligent"...kinda makes you think. I'd rather put my safety in the hands of myself (or a fellow "civilian sheepdog") than some steroid-cranked power junky who watches way too much TV.
@Vindaven (cont'd) The "moral of the story", as it were, is that we're all in this together, so we ought to take better care of one another, cops included. However, since the police are granted powers that we don't have, it's extremely wise to keep them on their toes. It is fully within one's rights to pay attention to them in the course of their duties. It's nothing more than a failsafe on something that could be a huge bomb, and on occasion in the past, has really bombed too often.
...they don't know the law enforcement use of force matrix... yet the dare to judge those who have enough balls to deal with the scum of society everyday that wish only to kill them.
You want to critisize police then do a ride along sometime and see what they deal with on a daily basis. In a place like down town (where this vid appears to be taking place?) it gets so busy they might not get a lunch break that day.
It's just too funny that the filmer plays cop at the end... yet he
...wouldn't be so verbally mean to you. Common sense.
These filmers arent unbiased media. They are called "cop blockers" etc for a reason... They don't like cops and they post edited videos of cops making them look bad. Videos often don't show the full story (missing audio, back story, another angle, etc).
The fact is these filmers have so little understanding of the law that they don't know the difference between assault or battery... they don't know the law enforcement use of fo
@Vindaven You lump everyone together as 'copblockers'. Again this is unwarranted. And libertarian journalists don't claim to be unbiased. I don't dislike cops personally, I dislike it when people knowingly or uncritically enforce unjust laws. Your comment about videos not showing the full story reveals that no amount of evidence will satisfy you. Your comment about understanding the law is a red herring.
The filmer presumed that the cop was there to harass the crazy guy or stop his free speech. He was wrong. They were called there to ask him to leave the private property.
It's funny that the filmer then has a conversation with the crazy guy in the same way a cop would have a conversation with him - asking him to leave nicely. Cops (like all humans) usually respond well to cooperative kind behavior and respond aggressivly to rude disruptive behavior.
@Vindaven No presumption of harassment was made. That is an unwarranted assumption on your part, therefore the filmer was not wrong. You don't know how the cop might have talked to the man. You weren't there. There was no rude behavior detectable from this video, except where the cop unnecessarily gets rude with the filmer. This video was not anti-cop. Your comments are a series of false assumptions.
While I respect the Church's decision to ask the individual to leave and forcibly remove him if he doesn't, I don't approve of calling the police. That is a threat and therefore an act of aggression. That cops reaction was dumb. For such a trivial conflict, why would he get so worked up?
That cop approached you like he wanted to throw down!!!!
THEHRHOFTIME 9 months ago
This man appears to be schizophrenic
DeraJa 10 months ago
I ran the guy's numbers. They were holy last year, but expired on Dec 31st.
mackler 10 months ago 5
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...yet he played cop at the end. Good defusing of the situation that you initially caused there.
Vindaven 10 months ago
@Vindaven That's a good reply with great sentiment. Unfortunately, police too often can't be trusted with the power of their badges, and they insist on proving it over and over and over again, ad nauseum. It sucks when, in the line of their duties, people like GloriousCoconut have to poke their noses and cameras into their work, but I also think it holds the police to a high standard. Furthermore, with the Keene PD especially, I think that due in part to the behavior of the --->
Maat922 10 months ago
@Vindaven (cont'd) due in part to the behavior of the local activists, they HAVE reached, and CONTINUE to achieve, an extremely high level of professionalism. I posit that should a crooked cop ever manage his way into a position at the KPD, he would be quickly frowned upon by his new co-workers, as they've worked pretty hard to understand and live in tune with the locals as much as possible, even the free-keeners, and god willing, they would run the bastard out on a rail.
Maat922 10 months ago
@Vindaven (cont'd) Being a cop is NOT an easy job, but that doesn't make it OK for them to exert any undue force (especially when enforcing unjust/unconstitutional laws, which they ALL do), Moreover, nobody is forcing them to be a cop. People who join police agencies KNOW, or SHOULD KNOW, that the job is shitty, sometimes dangerous, thankless, and all around makes them a turd. When some prick in a black mumu or some other prick in a suit orders you to go hurt people who haven't hurt anyone,
Maat922 10 months ago
@Vindaven (cont'd) you know you're in a shitty line of work. Maybe cops (those with consciences) should kick the tires on the idea of finding another line of work, cross the lines, join their free American brethren, and raise their voices as well. At the end of the day, we're all in this together.
Maat922 10 months ago
@Maat922 Good well thought out reply!
I consider myself a liberal. However, I believe the police are better morally than you seem to give them credit for... saying they "all too often cannot be trusted with their badges". I think the average cop is more moral than the average non-cop.
Would the free-keeners support a cop that shot and killed a crazy guy holding (not shooting - yet) a gun? I don't think so - which I think is wrong. IMO: Cops should be allowed to one-up use of force.
Vindaven 10 months ago
@Vindaven I personally wouldn't support the cop shooting anyone, but that's because with an armed citizenry (as you will find in Keene), the chances of a man with a gun going bonkers drops significantly in the first place; he'd choose a different state for that BS if he had any brains at all. Beyond that, it doesn't really matter who takes the guy down when/if he cocks/levels his gun. Whether he attempts "suicide by cop" or citizen is irrelevent.
Maat922 10 months ago
@Vindaven (cont'd) To say that the avergae cop has "better" or "more" moral fortitude is going out on a pretty shaky limb. I should know. There are 4 cops in my family, I know their general collective "blue line" standpoint, so I know precisely how far the "blue line" allows itself to slide, on average, against constitutional protections. To give anyone more power than would be equal to your own is simply dangerous.
Maat922 10 months ago
@Vindaven (cont'd) NOT to mention, with the recent lawsuit in Georgia where the genius who wanted to be a cop was (literally) disqualified from the position due to his high-IQ (yes, I'm serious), it's blatantly obvious that the new-and-improved method for hiring new officers requires that they be "less than intelligent"...kinda makes you think. I'd rather put my safety in the hands of myself (or a fellow "civilian sheepdog") than some steroid-cranked power junky who watches way too much TV.
Maat922 10 months ago
@Vindaven (cont'd) The "moral of the story", as it were, is that we're all in this together, so we ought to take better care of one another, cops included. However, since the police are granted powers that we don't have, it's extremely wise to keep them on their toes. It is fully within one's rights to pay attention to them in the course of their duties. It's nothing more than a failsafe on something that could be a huge bomb, and on occasion in the past, has really bombed too often.
Maat922 10 months ago
@Maat922 I think we found our common ground, Mat. Thanks for the conversation.
Vindaven 10 months ago
(cont'd 2)
...they don't know the law enforcement use of force matrix... yet the dare to judge those who have enough balls to deal with the scum of society everyday that wish only to kill them.
You want to critisize police then do a ride along sometime and see what they deal with on a daily basis. In a place like down town (where this vid appears to be taking place?) it gets so busy they might not get a lunch break that day.
It's just too funny that the filmer plays cop at the end... yet he
Vindaven 10 months ago
(cont'd)
...wouldn't be so verbally mean to you. Common sense.
These filmers arent unbiased media. They are called "cop blockers" etc for a reason... They don't like cops and they post edited videos of cops making them look bad. Videos often don't show the full story (missing audio, back story, another angle, etc).
The fact is these filmers have so little understanding of the law that they don't know the difference between assault or battery... they don't know the law enforcement use of fo
Vindaven 10 months ago
@Vindaven You lump everyone together as 'copblockers'. Again this is unwarranted. And libertarian journalists don't claim to be unbiased. I don't dislike cops personally, I dislike it when people knowingly or uncritically enforce unjust laws. Your comment about videos not showing the full story reveals that no amount of evidence will satisfy you. Your comment about understanding the law is a red herring.
networkedfreedom 10 months ago
The filmer presumed that the cop was there to harass the crazy guy or stop his free speech. He was wrong. They were called there to ask him to leave the private property.
It's funny that the filmer then has a conversation with the crazy guy in the same way a cop would have a conversation with him - asking him to leave nicely. Cops (like all humans) usually respond well to cooperative kind behavior and respond aggressivly to rude disruptive behavior.
Stop being so anticop and maybe the cop
Vindaven 10 months ago
@Vindaven No presumption of harassment was made. That is an unwarranted assumption on your part, therefore the filmer was not wrong. You don't know how the cop might have talked to the man. You weren't there. There was no rude behavior detectable from this video, except where the cop unnecessarily gets rude with the filmer. This video was not anti-cop. Your comments are a series of false assumptions.
networkedfreedom 10 months ago
That cop had a bad attitude. (I don't think I've seen a video of one with a good attitude yet)
rogerver 10 months ago
While I respect the Church's decision to ask the individual to leave and forcibly remove him if he doesn't, I don't approve of calling the police. That is a threat and therefore an act of aggression. That cops reaction was dumb. For such a trivial conflict, why would he get so worked up?
networkedfreedom 10 months ago