Nations Are Real

[inkstersco]

One paints oneself into a corner by discussing nations as 'what we have in common' -- such a position will always appear weak because we often have more personally in common with people on the other side of the world than with our neighbours. The objective reality of nationhood can be found by looking not at what people have in common but what goes on _between_ dissimilar people. The culture of nation x isn't something which is replicated once per member of nation x.

[AgentCarter]

so do you propose a voluntary nation-like set of people that existing in north america with no specific boundaries in which people can choose to be a part of? is that the type of southern independence you speak of? basically not having to follow US law (while still living in a territory claimed by it) almost the way indian reservations function?

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter Except that property owners could est. "borders." In other words, if a community of property owners want to get together and est. rules in their areas, that's their decision. I would guess that this would be common. As far as "US laws," they are not really any permenant natural laws. US legislation changes by the day & is made up of millions of rules, codes, etc. It's as bogus as is the US itself. Completely artificial.

[AgentCarter]

but lets jut for an example, use a town in south carolina. lets say half the south wishes to be a part of your nation-like community of property owners and the other half wishes to remain part of the untied states. dont you think it would be problematic to have two neighbors in which one is subject to US law and the other to your new nations laws? or would you require that entire counties secede from the US, and those living in the counties against it would have to move to be part of the US?

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter I don't think that it's going to start like this. I described a long-term goal abd best case scenario. I think it's going to start with the States seceding from the Federal Government. Have you read Murray Rothbard, Hans-Hermann Hoppe or Gustave de Molinari?

Let me also say that nations are nations whether they are independent & free or not. A nation can be occupied & forced to live under a central gov't not of the people's choosing. We shouldn't confuse nation & government.

[AgentCarter]

well would you wish for southerns (or at least some south carolinians) to form together communities and secede from the US?

i havent read those authors, that could be why i dont really understand your goal or "best case scenario"

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter Yes, I would like to see communities of people, towns, counties, states, etc. start seceding from the US as soon as possible. A first good step would be to start nullifying Federal legislations, asking military units to leave their area and symbolically removing Federal flags.

I would recommend reading a little Murray Rothbard as a good instroduction to anti-statism. He was a traditional-minded man but demonstrated that the state is a parasitical, criminal organisation.

[AgentCarter]

but the main question i have, is how would you go about doing this? would you take votes by counties? if so, could that leave seceded counties basically completely surrounded by US territory? or would they have to be contiguous?

also, suppose the majority of a county votes to secede. what happens to those in the county who vote against it? can they remain US citizens and ignore the change or would they be required to kind of "move back to the US"?

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter I would imagine it would start out on a democratic basis. Towns & counties could start symbolically seceding from the US. They wouldn't be recognised, but it would be important symbolically. A county is not sovereign (in American political theory). They get their power from the State. So, while I support county secession, it wouldn't be recognised as official. However, it could push States towards seceding.

I need to do a video on this. Thanks for your interest in it.

[AgentCarter]

well, rather than ask more questions, ill just watch the video when you make it

[valerakukatov]

lol really? Questioning what is a nation and if there is such thing as nation? Nation is a country. It's a place/land where we pick to live in order to be protected from major threat. If US were not a nation then someone else would be lol and US would then get pwned haha. Did they really like have nothing to do but to ask whether US is a nation or not, just damn surprises me and makes me laugh.

[RedShirtArmy]

@valerakukatov, A nation is not a country. Not strictly speaking. Yes, if you want to use common, loose language - okay. However, I was trying to make the point that a country is a georgraphic area of land. A nation is a tribe or culture of people. And a state is an independent government. Words do mean things and I think we should try and use these important words correctly.

[valerakukatov]

@RedShirtArmy well yea, everything you say is right. I personally just don't think we should be questioning something like this, it's too big of an argument. We are people who live under the same rules having equal opportunities in success and we did pick Obama as our President, so we are one nation. There should be different questions, for example, something that really matters or will matter. Economy and Terrorism are two big topics now in our world, that's what should be discussed.

[RedShirtArmy]

@valerakukatov, We are not one nation. That was just my point. I don't owe any allegiance to the US gov't and personally I oppose it. I don't want to be part of it. There are real nations that exist within the US (which for all pracitical purposes is an imperial state today) that should be free. Other issues such as terrorism and the economy that you mention should be dealt with once we have gotten free. These issues in my opinion largely arise from problems with the Fed. Gov't.

[Rothbardian1]

I see nothing wrong with secession into smaller states, I support voluntaryism, and if a person wishes to not be part of a state or nation than he has the right to break away. What minimal of a state there should be if there is one should only exist by the consent of those who created the state. If the state goes beyond it's powers or individuals wish to leave the nation they may do so.

[Rothbardian1]

I support you in regards to your claims about national sovereignty. By the the nation I don't mean the state, but as Murray Rothbard put it, "the entire web of culture, values, traditions, religion, and language in which the individuals of a society are raised". That is separate from a state. I am a market anarchist in every sense of the word except in that I believe the only function of a government is to enforce contracts and prosecute fraud.

[chefsessel81]

Well done :-)

[1998disco72]

From, what I am getting from the radio is that they still think that people from the south are idiots! Good job telling them the truth.

[1998disco72]

Great post

[towlebucket]

Nicely done sir. You once again represented our cause in a calm, rational and intelligent manner and I applaud you.

[PartisonConfederate]

Great job keep up the GREAT work.

[thevapour]

You kicked ass on this show!

[gadsden74]

Very nice. It's amazing that so many of our perceived differences stem from our vocabulary.

[RedShirtArmy]

That's true, Gadsen. Good point.

[TerranMarineConfed]

Great video

[DixieOfDeKalbCounty]

haha this is a mix of NH freestating and dixie! i love it, good poast, we have alot of northern supporters, they just dont know it.

[RedShirtArmy]

Absolutely. The folks I called are secessionists, though they are in NH.

[1998disco72]

And! what people of this country do not realize is that the south seceded legally because of the 10th ammendment.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Interesting call

[xsleef]

Very well spoken-I am in the southern nation,and i feel that my heritage and way of life is being intruded upon.

[jmelkis]

Nation is one thing, and it differs in concepts from language to language and culture to culture, but a nation-state is a modern invention. The problem is that the two seperate concepts get conflated in many modern Americans' mindsets.

[Luigi84289]

US has never been a nation it's just all one big con game to keep the rich getting richer. The states could meet the definition but not the Central Government. There are different nations of people in my home state of Texas. That's why smaller states are better like Europe.

[hardmod777]

Well done....We need to have more conversations LIKE THIS with Libertarians, Liberty Minded folks, and so called Conservatives...Well Done RedShirtArmY!

[vmpslr2]

*****

[ExecutorJoe]

very well said,

united states, not, United State

i hate to compare it to the EU, but i am...

European Union, Countries in a treaty/union.separated with there own cultures, customs and laws. similar to the United states,

what is legal in CA might not be legal in NC. people from TX don't talk like people from NY. and its a wonderful thing in my book.

to many people don't realize we are different "countries". and its a shame,

originally united for the same goals. sadly, not any more...

[RedShirtArmy]

Good points.

[Luigi84289]

@ExecutorJoe It's obvious once you know.

[NoMoreNeoCons]

It's interesting that he agreed with you completely at the end with quote, "there's no nation of the united States".

[RedShirtArmy]

Yeah, I thought that was cool.

[mercen144]

I am Keith of the Smith clan who lives on creek road allong the brandywine river in the nation of Pennsylavania. LIVE FREE OR DIE =)

[RedShirtArmy]

Awesome, I love that spirit and sense of localism.

[churchcamp101]

Good video, Im a Cherokee Confederat from Florida, I'll be waiting to see more vids.

by the way you have an email brother? if so just sen dit to me via message.

Thanks n God Save the South!

[meka4996]

United States, Canada, and others are Empires, not nations!

[RedShirtArmy]

Absolutely.

[wrathmaster]

I am from Michigan,Wish I lived in the south bet I would fit in better.

[RedShirtArmy]

Well we'd sure be happy to have another pro-liberty supporter of our culture down here.

[lengthyounarther]

I am from michigan aswell, I'v lived in Texas for a while, and it didnt seem all that different.

[Luigi84289]

@lengthyounarther Where? The big city and it's surrounding suburbs aren't much different all infested with Yankees. I live around tons of Yankees.

[Luigi84289]

@lengthyounarther I'm using Yankee in it's traditional sense not to group all people from above the Mason Dixon ;).

[lengthyounarther]

NO I basically live in Northern Michigan, about an hour north of Grand Rapids. Its small town/rural.

[lengthyounarther]

Did you learn Spanish (if so how well) while in Spain?

[RedShirtArmy]

I learned a good bit. More than enough to get by. It was a very good experience.

[bombs607]

this is good dude.

[RedShirtArmy]

Thanks, Bombs. Glad you enjoyed it.

[Drakomis]

Great Job! Once again you come out on top and keep your information straight-forward and stand firm on your opinion. I continue to enjoy your videos.

[RedShirtArmy]

I appreciate it, Drakomis.

[Drakomis]

No problem. We may disagree on the opinion of what we should concentrate on. Meaning my formality of desiring Empire over a community-based scale. It is however important to note that you and I can agree on 99.9% of what you say, and I deeply respect you for that.

I hope we can discuss this further in the future with a possible series of questions. I would like it to be a very positive debate for intellectual opinion. :)

[RedShirtArmy]

We could certainly do that, Drakomis. Maybe we could record a call and debate the issue back and forth.

[Drakomis]

That is an excellent suggestion. I have skype, which seems a better method. I am very open to the possibility of a recorded debate. If I get my brain hammered by logic, all the more win for reality. :) Whatever you feel comfortable with. You can hit me back with a PM and we can discuss it further there?

[RedShirtArmy]

I'll message you on the matter.