Trailer for "Kansas vs. Darwin" - a Documentary Film

[MrAnthonyfilms]

"yea you can also say they're lying"

[vonSchlemmer]

@MrAnthonyfilms Ha! That is one of my favorite lines from our film!

[ndrthrdr1]

The religiotards make America the laughing stock of the rest of the civilized world. Statistics show, however, that nonbelievers are the fastest growing demographic in the U.S. About 1 in 6 Americans are unaffiliated with any religious belief, and among 19-29 years old, it's 1 in 4 and growing.

[TheFilm2001forall]

What bothers me about this is that I KNOW that I am related to these people, that is TERRIBLE!

[spicychickenwing31]

Hey everyone, check out a free streaming of this documentary at Panda's Thumb! The link is on their website. The stupid board of education truly proves that ignorance knows no bounds.

[bshieldsbb01]

For anyone who hasn't watched this film yet, I recommend it, but you should definately have a good punch-bag nearby as you'll have un-controllable urges towards reactive violence at the mind-numbing obstinate stupidity displayed by the Creationists. They not only are utterly ignorant of science but, even more frustrating, they are Proud of that ignorance.

[TheAlphaPyro]

You can't be a forerunner in science when you don't do science (physical research, testing predictive models, showing evidence for your view). Creationism and ID don't encourage people to form testable models. How does this type of assertion of truth without science help any scientific field? Understanding how we got the biology we have is greatly important to the field of medicine and greatly important to how we view ourselves as sentient beings.

[UrsoDaCortesia]

Shame on america, simply pathetic. This is worse then third world education.

Its much more likely that we will see americans jumping the fence to escape to mexico then kansas being held as one of the forerunners in science

Inbred rednecks (aka creationists) are despicable.

Jesus is worse then drugs.

[loner1878]

Its amazing how these religious nuts get all offended at the thought of being related to apes yet have no issue with being made out of dirt and a rib.

[MartianSanta]

Americans are crazy

[TheGeekySkeptic]

Ah great, just seing this trailer reminded me of the infamous Kitzmiller (et al.) vs Dover school district trial, and of the jawdropping hypocricy and lies of the intelligent design proponents to ram their beliefs down everyone else's throat.

I just wonder: If the USA is doomed to go down because of religious zealotry, fanatics and bad reason, who will step in its place?

[maddoxhell]

What a bunch of hicks , No wonder people have pre conceived notions of Kansas

[pheeson]

I wanna watch this DVD, i like seeing creationists getting pwnd.

[adsensus]

@pheeson You can stream it online for free for the next 3 weeks.

[gggreggg]

if we are not related to apes, how come 95% of our genes are also in apes???

[Gh0stface89]

@gggreggg we have higher percantage of relation of our genes with some rats, no shit. so thats not an argument. i dont believe in god so, im just makin a point here.

[TheAlphaPyro]

@gggreggg Because god can't be more creative than evolutionary processes for some reason we can't understand.

[mrodub]

What a bunch of hicks although i laughed hard at the end when the lady said she believed Kansas will one day be viewed as a forerunner for science.

[srspower]

America needs to clamp down hard on people like this. The american empire could well go the same way of salladins. People forget the islamic empire was once the most technologically advanced civlisation on earth but it crumbled to what we see today because of radicalisation in the pronvines.

What we see here is radicalisation in american provinces. Let these people win and america will be a third world country in a hundred years.

[masala505]

@srspower Good point! My mum always said "you get the best and the worse from America". It's true, a country that can put "a man on the moon" also produces "red neck morons from the bible belt".

[gggreggg]

@srspower you are absolutely correct!!! it pains me to watch the country fall off the cliff into the abyss.

we are becoming like India--a country so absorbed in religiousity that advancement is nigh on impossible.

while i have no trouble seeing the American empire fade, i do regret deeply that the ideals of the Enlightenment (not the bible it should be noted) on which the country was founded are also being eliminated.

are we to become the christian califate of ignorance and backwardness?

[srspower]

@gggreggg

Given this trend combined with the fact america is losing power anyway due to emerging superpowers like india, china and brazil it does not bode well.

America will fade as a power but if people like in this video are allowed to monopolise on the nations dispair of losing this power then america could nosedive and forget all it achieved.

[kristofor12345]

@srspower One thing to think about though is the fact that these people are just a small rebirth of a movement that happens (and fails) every other decade or so. But the main thing that will change their minds is not brutal intellectual conflict, but simple social interaction. If they have friendly conversations with people who think differently then they may be more accepting. It's not the exsistence of people like this, it's just that they surround themselves with other morons who agree

[MattyJames25]

@srspower "America needs to clamp down hard on people like this. "

I think you missed the title: KANSAS vs. Darwin, not America vs. Darwin. This shit is funny to the other 49 states - but I suppose that kind of regional nuance is too much for your simplistic worldview...

[srspower]

@MattyJames25

I don't think so seeing as texas has been going through a similar thing and numerous other states could follow suit. This is essentially a test case.

[MattyJames25]

@srspower "I don't think so seeing as texas has been going through a similar thing and numerous other states could follow suit. This is essentially a test case."

Right... And you're an expert on such matters over there in the UK are you? Kansas has a history of being wacky; it is the exception to the rule, not the harbinger. But say I give you Texas (which would never happen), your math is still way off: 48-2

The US judicial system has repressed this nonsense ever since the Scopes Trail...

[srspower]

@MattyJames25

Texas is the largest purchaser of school books in the US. So what they choose directly effects every other state in terms of what litrature is available. As for america generally well its is around 80% christian in terms of what people say they believe. That in itself is pretty 'whacky' as you put it.

[MattyJames25]

@srspower "Texas is the largest purchaser of school books in the US. So what they choose directly effects every other state in terms of what litrature (sic) is available"

If you are as on top of things as you claim, you'll know that the Texas board of education already sided with a more conservative bent on history- science wasn't an issue.

80% Christian (& all the variances that come with such a statistic) does not equate to 80% in favor of creationist nonsense: that is quite the non sequitur

[effyleven]

@srspower No. Let these people win and America will be a third world country in 25 years, not 10. You gotta remember how fast the competition is coming up! Besides, not only is America about to start moving backwards, the nation has already been stationary since the 1980s... The Reagan era was the start of the decline.

[mcrd2001]

..."you have to use "imperialism" when you deal with science and I'm not going to ever say that.... (what a d-bag!).

Jebus fugging krist, double face palm, sometimes it's difficult to tell people that I'm from Kansas.

[reliableNference]

Kansas gave us FSM. Ramen.

[GlorifiedTruth]

"Disingenuine."  Bwa hahahaha...

[chazmeistro]

Anyone starting a scientific argument with " Ah Buhleeeve" is a FUCKING MORON. End of.

[Adhemar05]

This would be a great comedy, too bad it's not fictional.

[DieFatorLiveThin]

This is such BS. I'm going down to Kansas to get the TRUTH put in those textbooks. We did evolve! but only after the sun, moon and earth were vomited forth from Bumba's mouth, our supreme creator!

[DrunkenPoetic]

These people believe in fucking demons, immaculate conceptions and tons of other wacky shit, but they still turn round and say "of course evolution isn't scientific, it's all based on faith".

They believe that Jesus could subvert the laws of physics and cheat death like a fucking zombie. How do they accept anyone to take them seriously.

This is why Richard Dawkins cries himself to sleep every night.

[Treefrogs2]

@DrunkenPoetic Dawkins is too busy trying to flog books. He is no authority on anything but evolutionary theory

[Treefrogs2]

"Psychologist and parapsychologist Charles Tart has described scientism as being, from a psychological point of view, a form of belief.[17] The Persian scholar Seyyed Hossein Nasr, commented that in the West, many will accept the ideology of modern science, not as "simple ordinary science", but as a replacement for religion"

[Treefrogs2]

"E. F. Schumacher criticized scientism as an impoverished world view confined "solely to what can be counted, measured and weighed".[15]*

yep



[Treefrogs2]

"According to Stenmark, the strongest form of scientism states that science has no boundaries and that all human problems and all aspects of human endeavor, with due time, will be dealt with and solved by science alone.[13] This idea has also been called the Myth of Progress"

[Treefrogs2]

"Scientism is the idea that natural science is the most authoritative worldview or aspect of human education, and that it is superior to all other interpretations of life.[1] The term is used by social scientists such as Friedrich Hayek,[2] or philosophers of science such as Karl Popper, to describe (and criticize) what they see as the underlying attitudes and beliefs common to many scientists, whereby the study and methods of natural science have risen to the level of ideology"

[Treefrogs2]

"In his essay, Against Method, Paul Feyerabend characterizes science as "an essentially anarchic enterprise"[21] and argues emphatically that science merits no exclusive monopoly over "dealing in knowledge" and that scientists have never operated within a distinct and narrowly self-defined tradition"

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

That's nice. So what?

Fact remains, science progresses, and has increased our understanding of life and universe more in the last 400 years than religion did in its entire history.

What you posted doesn't counter that in the least.

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

Um, that's an argument from authority!

So thatns for showing us what a hypocrite you are.

[Treefrogs2]

@DNAunion LOL right.  Dawkins has no specialized knowledge on anything but his field of expertise.

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

"LOL right. Dawkins has ..."

I haven't mentioned Dawkins at all in my posts here.

Thanks for showing yet another inferior quality your possess: delusions.

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

Let's see, you argue by means of authority, delusions, denial, and hypocrisy. Keep up the good work!!

[AtheistOnTheEdge]

"Yee-haw!" That's what Jebus said when he tamed his first T-Rex.

[iDeist]

LOL

[AtheistinFundyLand]

Every person in Kansas (and the US) should be forced at gunpoint to read The Making of the Fittest by Sean B. Carroll.

[Spetsop]

1:57 "Do you think Christians are being discriminated against?" - "YES!"..... My reply: GOOD!!! And it shouldn't stop with just Christians!

[TheIntolerantAtheist]

The state of Kansas will become one of the forerunners in science just like Iran and Afghanistan are.

[Harizl]

Does anyone know where we can watch this?

I've been looking awhile now.

[jeans1515]

scary shit. Fucking morons. Let them rot in their stupidity

[dudesonman4200]

@jeans1515

If we just leave them then they will take us with them

[DNAunion]

@jeans1515

" Let them rot in their stupidity"

If only it were that simple. The problem is, they don't keep their stupdity to themselves, they strive - they organize, and take active measures - to spread their stupidity. And they prey upon those who are young, not sufficiently educated to weight all sides, and who are easily scared into believing religious dogma due to fear of hell.

[datsneefa]

My favorite part was when the 3 conservative Christian School Board members identify themselves with Islamic Extremist zealots. Just goes to show how ignorant people can achieve positions of power and then attempt to destabilize the populace with fearmongering

[MrJustintime72]

wow.... i feel sorry for all the scientists who have worked so hard. why should they have to defend their evidence against these annoying, bible bashing idiots?

[rrtodd95]

This is ridiculous.

If you take a 1,000,00 people and let them vote on the sex of a rabbit in a cage. If 999,999 vote that the rabbit is female and the rabbit's male. It doesn't change the sex of the rabbit.

Evolution is true wether or not these inbred morons want to believe it.

Next comes, evolution is a theory.

So is gravity, germ theory of disease, relativity at. al.

But when you drop something, it falls.

If you get a germ, it makes you sick.

A Nuclear bomb goes boom.

Facts!!

[LastOfTheGods]

i belive all of the fucking idiots out there bitching about us kansans need to get off their ass and do soemthing hell drop a fuckin nuke on all our asses if you want us to stop haha

[Raford146]

Exactly. If you're going to teach "intelligent design", why not teach the Pastafarian theory of creation. Or the Kalevala creation myth, the one where the world was created from the fragments of an egg. And so on. . .

[ovandocarter]

what are you talkign about. now if you want to take awya all the understanding that comes from darwin. thaat means you would die from so much things , like virus and all things.

[FreshMount]

Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the same day. Lincoln set free the physically enslaved while Darwin set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific community accepted evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin wrote it down.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

[toobsucker]

The definition of an evolutionist

One who makes a monkey of himself

[warriorprince1010]

Evolutionism = Everything that appears designed came by accident. Creation and science = Everything that appears designed was designed.

[toobsucker]

@warriorprince1010

Of course. its ridiculous we can't discuss in schools the appearance of design.

Atheists have taken over this field and fight vehemently to prevent it

[warriorprince1010]

The creation model is the best fit. Teach your children morals and truth at home. Protect them from false doctrines.

[SimoonSam]

@toobsucker I don't think atheism has anything to do with it.

[toobsucker]

@SimoonSam Evolution is the religion of atheists. Why do you think the vast majority of those involved in evolutionary science are atheists.

Keep your eyes on ENCODE. they are about to dismantle Darwinian evolution without any help from creationists. This will be fun to watch

[SimoonSam]

@toobsucker So since the pope accepts evolution and says it's kosher for Catholics to accept evolution, does that mean that Catholicism is also the religion of atheists?

[spinnersmetal]

@toobsucker So what other concrete scientific facts do you not accept? Gravity? Thermaldynamics?

[Telamnar]

@spinnersmetal I think mean therMOdynamics ;)

[toobsucker]

@spinnersmetal

You have "concrete scientific facts" that prove random copying errors in a single cell can produce overlapping digital coded information including the error correction mechanisms and the codes for protein folding?

Please do share

[DNAunion]

@toobsucker

Facts refute your claim.

Polls of the general US public show that of those who accept evolution, twice as many believe in God as do not. Evolution is not atheistic.

[JustAnotherMutant]

toobsucker, actually, in the United States there are more Christians who accept evolution than atheists.

If you want to discuss the appearance of design in science class, all you need is a successful testable hypothesis.

[LordSitri]

@warriorprince1010 Actually, there is no accident in evolution and natural selection. Everything evolves by a design set by many factors. Just because some people are too ignorant to comprehend what evolution is, doesn't make it a chaotic occurrence.

[warriorprince1010]

@LordSitri We have no evidence or laws that allow new information.

[DNAunion]

@warriorprince1010

Genetic information can be increased in genomes by several mechanisms, two of which are (1) gene duplication followed by divergence, and (2) exon/domain shuffling.

Biologists are not stumped in the least as to how genetic information can increase; scientifically ignorant people like you are.

[goodvibesallround]

Man some people are so fucking backward it's unbelievable, lol

[frankystein12]

Kansas....safe heaven for American rednecks. Well, I genuinely hope that this will change for the better in the future, but right now that's the truth.

[rightrules7]

I simply dont have the amount of blind faith required to believe in darwinian evolution. Unless of course someone here could provide an example of art with no artist, design with no designer, content with no intent. In all my years of school education I found absolutely nothing convincing enough to back up darwins claims. If it was just those little diagrams in the text books then I'm sorry, snow white and the seven dwarfs also seems plausible.

[HypnoPants]

I do not see mention of his Noodliness!

Blasphemy!

[Teflon65]

@HypnoPants If you're referring to the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, I would hate to see all these people go out into a Chef Boyardeeless eternity!

[masala505]

@HypnoPants That's true....Oh Hail his holy spagettiness!

[Uz90g]

I am watching the movie. Some of this people are ridiculous. Pedro Irigonegaray is amazing though.

[acms13]

I do have to say I think I have the BEST Senator in the State of Kansas. Sen. Steve Abrams of the 32 dis. I also go to church with Dr. Abrams and he is One heck of a Guy!

[Bookwyrm86]

Unbelievable. As if we needed any more evidence that Creationists are idiots, they come out and make blatantly stupid comments like this.

"Kansas will be held as one of the foreruners in science."

Only if the Creationists go extinct.

[raptibus]

well..thank god for inbreeding depression then lol

[vonSchlemmer]

I'm sorry to say that it is not just Kansas. That is one of the points that this documentary makes. Currently the debate is being waged in Texas (that's for you Lubbock88) and it has already been battled in Ohio, Pennsylvania and on and on. The point is not that Kansas or Kansans are . . . well, unevolved, but that there is a cultural debate going on - watch the film and learn about the people that are fighting on both sides - they are all amazingly human (evolved or not).

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

oh, i know. And I've heard of something going on in Florida too, with regards to this "controversy". I don't entirely remember where I read this, though. : (

[rightrules7]

@ScientiaVeritasEtLux - I bet you dont entirely remember where you read about the facts backing up darwinism either ;-)

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

@rightrules7 - What is darwinism? I know of no ideology (-ism) surrounding Darwin. What I do know of is evolution which is a fact. And Evolutionary Theory which is a Scientific Theory supported by mountains of evidence.

And I definitely do know where I got my facts about evolution. I get my facts from the peer-reviewed scientific literature. Why would you bet I don't remember where I got my facts?

[expatdk]

God the bible belt is frightening!

[rightrules7]

@expatdk - You should try Islamabad in Pakistan.

[BrandonHarami]

I'm glad I didn't move to Kansas.

God, I'd probably be dead by now.

Anywho, I guess if evolution is false then all the discoveries made from the theory (including breeding, genetic diseases, cloning, stem cell research, and the human genome) are false as well.

[TheNoble7]

I pray humans find a predator that will destroy the weaker of us. We really need to evolve.

[acms13]

NO DARWIN IN MY SCHOOLS!

[vonSchlemmer]

Would you like all of science to be removed from your schools? Apparently you use a computer. These were created on the same scientific principles that confirm the usefulness of the theory of evolution. Do you take any medicine? It would be fairly useless if there were not so validity to the ideas proposed by Darwin.

[acms13]

FALSE....i WILL PARY FOR YOU

[johnnyfatsac]

acms13 comments:

"NO DARWIN IN MY SCHOOLS!"

and

"FALSE...I WILL PARY FOR YOU"

you may be too far gone. books and science probably won't help. but if you want you can PARY for me...whatever that is.

[Treefrogs2]

@vonSchlemmer the scientific methiod cannot be verified by the scientific method. You are guilty of being a shameless proponent of scientism

computers have nothing to do with Darwin

medicine has nothing to do with Darwin.

the origin of species does not explain the origination of species

[oneadamtwelve86]

@Treefrogs2 medicine has nothing to do with darwin? you only show your ignorance.

it is only evolutionary biology that makes modern medicine possible. the same biology that makes paternity tests possible.

evolution has everything to do with medicine

[Razgrits]

@Treefrogs2 "guilty of being a shameless proponent of scientism" lol wut? Scientism? Is that even a word? lrn2Engles.

"computers have nothing to do with Darwin" Two words. 'Evolutionary Algorithms'. If you don't know what that is, just stick to the big letters: Best optimization method yet.

"medicine has nothing to do with Darwin." Good luck fighting the flu with penicillin then.

"the origin of species does not explain the origination of species" It's not meant to.

Your point with all this?

[dudesonman4200]

@Treefrogs2

the scientific method can and is verified by logic.

Computers are related to science which is related to darwin, the same goes for medicine.

Also to not believe in evolution is to discredit modern medicinary practice. Why do we have viruses? How did swine flu and other diseases come about? Because these organisms are evolving, and its a constant battle to come up with new antibiotics and medecines.

The OOS doesnt try to explain origination if species. Learn about abiogenesis.

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

The scientific method can be verified by its success. Science is, hands down, the best method every devised by learning about the world in which we live. Science has increased our knowledge of life and the universe more in the past 400 years than religion did in the last 10,000.

[Treefrogs2]

@DNAunion "Science is, hands down, the best method every devised by learning" =scientism

all you are doing is appealing to authority. Unfortunately you CANNOT use the scientific method to test the scientific method.

[Treefrogs2]

@DNAunion all you are doing is appealing to authority. On that basis your claim is defeated

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

Dumbass, you need to provide some context to your posts. Are you too stupid to do that? Without context, your post is meaningless.

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

1) Genetic algorithms, which are special types of computer programs, have something to do with Darwin (evolution, to be more precise).

2) Engineers have even developed hardward that evolved, using field-programmable gate arrays.

[Treefrogs2]

@DNAunion by that standard everything has something to do with something, which just thins the broth of your soup

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

No, it shows you were wrong.

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

If you don't know what the word "nothing" means, try looking it up before using it in multple sentences where it doesn't apply.

Again, I am sorry that you are stupid.

[toobsucker]

@DNAunion

Evolutionary algorithms are PC programs that are limited by the programmer

Google "Evolutionary Algorithms: Are We There Yet? — December 17th, 2010 by Ann Gauger"

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

Reproductive isolation resulting from the formation of reproductive barriers (which can be either prezygotic or postzygotic) explains speciation.

[Treefrogs2]

@DNAunion LOL everyone knows things change. People have ALWAYS known that things change. Speciation is just a biological concept. It just proves that things change. So what?

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

I'm sorry, I though you trying to actually say something when you said that the origin of species doesn't explain the origin of species. I should have realized you were just spewing more meaningless shit out of your mouth.

[Treefrogs2]

@DNAunion "I'm sorry, I though you trying to actually say something" LOL

what was the first species that all life originated from?

[DNAunion]

@Treefrogs2

You are trying to move the goalposts. The original statement had to do with the origin of species, and I explained in simple terms how that occurs.

[Zhaine12]

I'm sorry but I think the state of Kansas is devolving. It won't be long before you see its citizens walking on all fours. XD

[W1930U7]

That would disprove evolution wouldn't it?

[stevekad1]

If they go extinct it would not :)

[Lubbock88]

"I believe that, in the near future, Kansas will be held as one of the forerunners in science." What? Nuts!!!

[pyropakman]

Oh, so I wasn't the only one who thought that? :)

[lagnaf007]

This is why the state of Kansas has become a laughingstock.

[LastOfTheGods]

@lagnaf007 true but sadly its not just kansas most other states too its just kansas is brave enough to stand up for what they belive in

[datsneefa]

@LastOfTheGods or stupid enough to fight for ignorance

[aceserve]

This damages those who cannot or refuse to think for themselves. It takes a lot of work to learn and understand the explanations that science provides. I could see why someone would want a shortcut. However, it is not intellectually honest to circumvent science with falsehoods.

[52tracer]

I saw this, it was very funny shit!

[Desertphile]

".... by holding scientific hearings that put Darwin's long-held theory on trial."

No, they did not.