The enemy is corporatism, not capitalism. Capitalism is not a system at all, but simply an extension of freedom, because freedom cannot exist without property rights, and with property rights come naturally on the free market.
funny how the pro capitalism people attack those that say "no matter what importance our work, we should be guaranteed food and shelter" with more venom than the failure asshole criminal CEO's that got bailed out with our hard earned taxes.
1:26. Wait what? He's blaming free markets for things that the government screwed up! Does he even understand what free market economics are? NO government subsidy, corporate welfare or interference WHATSOEVER.
Marx's Das Capital was a compassionate response to capitalism's excesses. Even Blake, called Industry, "the dark Satanic mills." And a good case could be made for Capitalism as the anti-Christ of Revelations.
But all systems are vulnerable to human nature. Greed Sloth, Gluttony, et al are deadly sins because they are DEADLY. There are several systems which could work to everyone's benefit But Oligarchy arises in any system due to not to the system itself, but to corrupt humans.
"the GOVERNMENTS did nothing for the people and gave everything to the rich""when the GOVERNMENTS smashed all the poor""Children working in factories"
Well there we go. A whole video fo bullshit emotional crap designed to push you around and manipulate how you think. What were his actual complaints? Two of them were against statism!!! Not capitalism. Not free markets. Not private business making it on its own. And the last was from the PAST. Ive got news. Through all of mans history kids worked!
Crony capitalism needs to end not capitalism people get these two confused unfortunately..look them both up before you bash capitalism..Cronyism is the enemy
Capitalism is the American dream...If you get rid of capitalism you get rid of what America is all about...Get rid of corpratism...stop bailing out the special intrest!! dont attack legitimate americans that do good for themselves attack the corporations that have caongressman and politicians in office.that get bailed out because they are too big to fail then dump there debt on us!!!WTF End the Federal Reserve they inflate our currency and ruin our economy Thomas Jefferson wrnd us see his qoutes
"Capitalism is hegemonic today not because it is the best we fallible humans can do, but because it supports, and is supported by special interests of immense power." David Schweickart argues in his book Against Capitalism that what we need is Economic Democracy: a competitive economy of democratically run enterprises that replaces capitalist financial markets with more egalitarian, more democratic institutions. But, under this present system, we can't even achieve worker control of production!
@usthepeople Yes, your Sandhills Farm to Table Cooperative is a VERY interesting community enterprise.
I'm intrigued by the concept that your cooperative is owned and controlled by those who produce, distribute, and even consume the fresh local food. It's stated in your cooperative charter that if there is surplus cash at the end of a year, it is shared by all three groups. Will you be able to maintain such egalitarian principles in the long run? I hope so. That would be the true "Free Market"!
It's interesting how he's says "then and now" then gives no present day examples, and how he doesn't reference what happens to people in non-capitalist countries.
Present day examples?? Are you blind?? Look at Africa! Look at Latin America. There, your present day examples! Don't fool yourself by thinking that you live better than 200 years ago because of capitalism. You live better, because Africa and Latin America is starvng! The North became wealthy by riding the back of the third world for 200-300 years - smell the flowers. But this could not last forever....... people can't be held in chains forever, nor can they be fooled forever!
@mickbelfast In Anarchist spain the theater company decided that everyone was going to get paid the same. They invited the famous tenor Lazaro to sing. When he got there they told him that everyone gets paid the same. So he got on stage and said "today we are all equal. And to prove that we will get paid the same wage. And because we are all equal, I am going to take tickets at the door and someone else can come sing." They ended up paying him more.
@mickbelfast We are all equal. Just their use of the term equal is that everyone gets the same "stuff" no matter how hard you work for it. So I say then get rid of money all together, and people just work and produce goods and services for everyone. Want a xbox or a tv, or some bread. Just go to the store and take it.
@RedZicko If you distinguish so, perhaps you could tell me the difference between socialism and communism? Earth: the Book suggested that the chief difference is the respective presence/absence of democracy, but then, its author is a comedian.
This guy wrote a book ( telling the world how to run their economies , but never figured out how to support himself or his family). That and the fact that it didn't work in India, in Asia, in Africa, in Cuba in Egypt, etc. It has never worked and yet we see that the greatest advances in the history of mankind and the best standards of living for the majority of people in any country have been accomplished in the USA in the last 235 years. That makes the case for me.
@wendydarling17241 Communists just argue that your examples of India, Asia, Cuba, ect.... are not examples of "real" communism. And when you ask them to give you an example of some where that has had "real" communism they tell you it has never existed. In other word: real communism is imaginary.....but far superior to capitalism.
@TheRhythmCollection Really? cummune de Paris was a succesful communist society? It lasted 2 months. Even if I were to cede that it did ok (which i woudn't) is a 2 month period really enough time to say it was succesful?
The reasons all of you love communism is because you played call of duty 5 and thought, " Hey, he's a communist and he just killed that guy. I'm gonna be a communist so I can be cool like him!" By the way, HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST!!!!! So don't call me a nazi. I just saved you from sounding like a retard.
@AaarghOw I don't think calling me an idiot is going to do you any good. It just solidifies the steriotype that all leftists are snobs. I may not agree with your political standpoint, but I respect you all the same because when you act like an idiot the only person who's reputation is tarnished is your own. Now can we please stop throwing our feces at eachother and have a mature debate.
@AaarghOw That was my intention the whole time. I was baiting for a debate. I put out a stupid remark to attract a smart person like yourself to have an educated conversation with.... u mad bro?
A hodgepodge of statements with a feeble attempt to link them all together.
Liberals are famous for trying to debunk conservative statistics, claiming questionable causality.......then turn about and make dubious claims themselves.
"Lies......Damn Lies..........Statistics." Mark Twain
Marx was no moralist. With this presented here, he also could be just a lying priest. No, what makes him great is that he scientificly investigated and discovered the rules of development of human society in history and furture (historic materialism) and the how the rules of a capitalist economy work (THE CAPITAL) and how does this determine the whole society, politics, culture and the humans or classes. His communist manifesto has become valid in time through globalization. See marxist.org
@FrankieJames7 Exactly how am I "uneducated and retarted". You don't know who I am! I just don't support communism or socialism. How does that make me uneducated? Really how? I don't care if your a communist but don't you dare going around calling other people retarted just because they don't believe in communism or Marxism.
Man, Karl Marx in my personal opinion was crazy. He obviously knows nothing about capitalism. I really hate this stereotype that capitalists don't care about other people or their workers. They do it just that sometimes there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. All you Marxist out there need to relize that we can't take care of everyone. That's just how it goes.
@FrankieJames7 A person with an average or above intelligence would've asked "Why?" And one with below average was expected to whimper & cry. Sorry, Frankie, you did the latter and there I rest my case. This stuff is too intellectual for you.......just stay clear for your own good.
@neovask i dont have time for you, i dont spend my time writing comments on youtube 8 hours a day, lets just say you really need an education and stop being a fucking retard
Marx and his communist idea sounds and looks good on paper,in reality he forgot one very important thing and that the Human factor,in case some ppl dont know what communism is all about.....everyone is working and the money made goes into a big pot ,so when you need something ,you just go and get it,because its already payed for....now here is the problem...you always will have someone that just has to have something better or more than someone else....the human factor,thats why it always fails
needlees to mention that according to Marx...everyone is equal....which is the main and most important point on communism,now here is the thing that no one wants to admit,in order to have everyone equal,you need ppl that make the decission,so therefore they are not equal with the others,besides you as person do not matter at all,its the collective that stands above all,simply whats good for the collective better be good for you to or else you are a trader to the cause and must be punished
You see thats where you are wrong. A very vital part of the marxist philosophy is the Dialectic Materialism wich is the believe that all humans is evolved by their circumstances. That means if a child grows up in a communist society without greed, that child will be taught the communist values wich is anti-war and anti-greed and that child will become a good person, also that "human factor" is now gone. Communism is absolutley possible!
i dont see where iam wrong,here is why,1.child grows up in communism,get thaught "only" the good thing,result good person(according to you),now its not only one child,its thousand,since all will be good after this odeal,all are the same/equal,simple logic,2.show me one person in the communist regime that is NOT greedy,3.even in caitalism alot of people are against war's(no communism needed)4.the "human factor" or individualism will always be there,its our nature you cant train it away
... further more Dialectic Materialism means this...
The basic idea of dialectical materialism is that every economic order grows to a state of maximum efficiency, while at the same time developing internal contradictions or weaknesses that contribute to its decay.
or plain and simple, an epic failure in the making right from the start
1) You are not the same, you just share the same values, wich are being a good person. Its not lie you walk like a bunch of hypnotized robots. In a communist society you will still be uniqe, just worth the same as everybody else. 2) Lenin
3) Its not enough to be against war, you have to do something about it, something thats not possible in capitalism.
4) Of course you can! Grow up in a selfish family, you will get selfish, and the other way around!
i have the same and nobel values without communism,as a matter of fact they are now way stronger than in the socialist/communist country i was born in,Lenin was the most greedy and selfish person alive at this time,otherwise he wouldnt had gotten into power,he literaly walked over dead body's to get there,how you wanna fight war? with wars or other sorts of killing?you can grow up where you want,important thing is you get taught values,compare your theories with reality pls
Great! But you must understand that in capitalism the majority of the people are greedy, even though you are. And Russia was in a very terrible situation, with the russian eperor and hunger all over the country, so they did what they had to do to get a just society. He got to power and hee served the people, because it was necessary. In those situations, the only way to freedom is through revolt against your government. It doesn't help if a few teaches those values, it has got to be universal...
you point of the russian history is wrong,the Zar took good care of the people,but due to Lenin and his followers the Zar got chased out of the country,then Lenin gave the land to the people (not farmers) to grow crops and such,which they had no idea how to do,thats why they had such femmen and people died left and right,opposite views from people would and have been surpressed,by killing them,thats the way communist teach,not the values you talk about and yes it is universal
I don't know to taught you history, but you should definatly demand a refund...
During the Tsar (Yes, It's spelled "Tsar"). there was hunger and the majority of the people were poor while the Tsar was living in luxury. He didn'e give shit about the people. Lenin alowed the farmers to grow their own crops, it wasn't until Stalin took over the farms became collectiv.
Its hopeless to argue with someone who doesn't know the history of what they are arguing about.
In October 1905, Nicholas reluctantly issued the famous October Manifesto, which conceded the creation of a national Duma (legislature) to be called without delay. The right to vote was extended and no law was to go into force without confirmation by the Duma The moderate groups were satisfied; but the socialists rejected the concessions as insufficient and tried to organise new strikes.....
.... By the end of 1905, there was disunity among the reformers, and the tsar's position was strengthened for the time being.
On March 3, 1917, a strike was organized on a factory in the capital Saint Petersburg; within a week nearly all the workers in the city were idle, and street fighting broke out.
The strikers held mass meetings in defiance of the regime, and the army openly sided with the workers. A few days later a provisional government headed by Georgy Lvov was named by the Duma....
.... Meanwhile, the socialists in Saint Petersburg had formed a Soviet (council) of workers and soldier's deputies, forming an uneasy alliance with the Provisional Government. With his authority destroyed, Nicholas abdicated on 2 March 1917 (Julian Calendar; the Gregorian date was 15 March). He and his family were subsequently murdered by Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War.
So all in all ,as i state b4,the communist are to blame,not the Zar (yes we spell it like this in my language),hagd
...And thats a bad thing that they didn't go in for a compromize?
No matter how extended the right to vote is, the power still lies in the hands of a few people. And they dont really have any controll over the society. Economics and work is still owned by the capitalists. Us socialists don't go into any compromises, because full freedom can only be achieved when all power lies in the hands of the people.
the only part in your last statement that hits the nail on the head is this"full freedom can only be achieved when all power lies in the hands of the people" and thats what we have here with our republic,in contrast to the socialists/communists that wants to tell the people what wrong or especialy right,to enslave the people for their "greater good",whatever that may be since they never explain it,in short,they are the only elite that know whats best for everyone,obey or die
...and i agree with you the socie's/commie's do not compromise on anything,its their way or the highway and like i said before.,if you have different/opposite opinion from theirs,they will silence you (look you up,murder you etc etc),because (as they say) the ends justifies the means,so to me it is obvious,that those commies are the most greedy/selfish people around and you wont get any choice with them,unless it is their choice that they pik for you
The American republic is one of the least democratic countries you have got today. The power is in the hands of those with the biggest bank accounts. All workers are treated less than the products they create. What we communists believe are that human rights are for everyone, and not just those who are rich. And saying that "those managers work harder" is bullshit. They make money by owning, not working. Your system is based on exploitation.
And just for the reccord... Communism never existed.
so Russia never was a communist country then,they just called themself that,ah ok good to know,i agree with you "human rights" are for everyone,the rich and the poor,but there are godgiven rights or natural rights as well,what about those? are they ignored by the communists?you know the right of selfprotection,the right of freedom(from tyranny),the right of my way to pursue my happiness,so on... seem to me you never had a manager position,guess thats why you think they "do not work"..
....further more you communist system is based way more on exploitation,because you do not give the people their choice of what ,how and if they wanna do something,example Unemployment in the GDR (German Democratic Republic or Eastern Germany),you know the one that claimed to have the real exsisting Socialism,anyhow unemployment was 0%,do you know why?because those that didnt wanted to work(for whatever reason) where put into prison or forced to work or just send to a gullag in russia...
...now thats way worse,than the capitalism system in which it is up to me what i make or not make out of my life,selfresponsibillity comes to mind,of course you dont need that with commies,since they tell you what when and how to shit,but what do i know,i only was born and raised in a socialist country,which as you should know is the last step toward communism,besides did you ever spend some "quality" time in North Korea or Cuba or Venezuela?they have what you grave right there.....
...sure i admit it is not your oh so beloved commusim,but at least they are on the way to it,well at least they claim they are,so how about you go there for lets say 10-20years,get some experience with it and if you still love it,i will help you to find a country that you and your kind can form to best commie nation ever,cuz there is no need whatsoever to change this republic with its bautiful freedom for all (that wants it and fight/defend it)
No USSR only managed to achieve socialism, but communism was the goal.
There are no godgiven rights, nor natural rights, just rights and they are ment for everyone, and in a capitalist country, human rights will stay a privilege for the rich. America has no protection, only attacks, no freedom, just for the rich and that material "happiness" comes from the exploitation of the many workers who sacrifices their life so you could live a little better. Shame on you.
If there are no natural/god given rights,who gives you those "just rights"? where they come from? Have you personaly ever lived in a socialist/communist country? to back up your claims with experience and not only your theory's,if there is no freedom,how come the rich have it?are you deniyng it for the poor?why is happiness attached to material stuff for you?exploitation assumes an oppressor(someone in charge) in your system that would be the communists,shame on you
so morality is natural from which those rights derives,which means nothing less than those rights are natural as well,whats socialistic on Jesus? he didnt took anything from someone to give it to someone else,besides people could decide for themself if they wanted to take what Jesus had to offer,no one was forced to take anything,freedom for the majority?freedom to do what? define your sence of freedom!!since you have no reallife experience whatsoever with you theory's.....
....how can you be certain that capitalism is a failure? you do not have any references to compare it to or make any judgement whatsoever about it ! also as you say Communisn is more related to anarchy,wich tells it all to me,reagrdless who in his right mind would go for some form of anarchy (Communism) as the best solution for capitalism?? you said also " that material "happiness" comes from the exploitation..",seems to me your happiness is strongly connected to material things....
...which is a false hope/sence/attitude toward happiness,aside of everyone experience there own happiness differently,there is no one fits all solution to it,read the book "road to surfdom" or watch the short version of it,made into video clips here on youtube,thats what your communism will lead to in the end,no way around it with a centralized goverment/economy/social system,think it thorough yourself,no other conclusion will result in it......
....and for christ sake,pls get some reallife experience,especialy about the things you have no reference to,before you intent to discuss them,dont get me wrong,i dont claim to know it all,far from it,but i have the (unfortunate) advantage to have made the experience,unlike you that only knows the theory of it and as everyone knows,theory and practice (real life) is a way different thing
“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”
He wanted to share the gods, and thats as socialistic as you can get.
In capitalism your life is controlled by how much money you own. If you have got money and can buy wealth, then I guess capitalism is great, but what about those that have nothing, because those men took it all away from them? When that system is overthrown by revolution, then the people will be free.
your problem is that you assume that some people either way are poor or rich (and stay that way forever) and that only socialism/communism cant make them equal in some way,which is totaly wrong,because all persons are born equal,means nacked and with no posession whatsoever,but none of them will end up equal,it is up to each and everyone of them,to make or not make something out of their lifes,and thats freedom,what you do is impose your view of freedom on all of them.....
......and whats up with this revolution crap? it only 1.confirms my point of you imposing your view of freedom on others and it also 2.shows that you will kill others if they dont believe in your view of freedom,which means nothing else than inslave others so your system can work,which of course is anarchy,btw you still havent explained what your freedom is or means,and what would people be free off after your revolution?what would be the consequences of it?.....
....and btw it also says in Luke 18-25 (Jesus to the rich guy who followed the 10 commandments)
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." which clearly states/means/gives him a choice to so or not (freedom),it doesnt say anything of he has to do something,i dont see anything socialistic in it at all,because it is up to him not to someone else to take or forces him
......so therefore Jesus did not take anything from him nor did he give his wealth to others,therefore nothing socialistic at all ,so Jesus was NOT the first socialist as you claim,as a matter of fact Jesus didnt belong to any kind of political view/party/believes at all in the first place,all he did was serving God by serving men
No after the revolution, there will be no poor or rich.
It is our job to keep the people equal. No-one should be better than anyone, no matter how hard they work for it, for in the end all that wealth comes from the expence of other peoples misery. And in theory, that would be freedom, yes, but then the rich will use their freedom to remove the freedom of the workers who actually is making those rich people richer and gets almost nothing left.
It is your job to keep the people equal??are you kidding me?who are you to choose how equal people are suppose to be?what level of equality everyone has to have or not have? thats not freedom thats tyranny.
No-one should be better than anyone, no matter how hard they work for it?? you still kidding me right?if i choose to work my butt off to make it a better life for myself and my family,who are you to tell me i have to give my hard worked earnings to those that choose to do noting..
.....humans are not the same nor ever wil be equal anyways,some have a gift of great inteligence like Einstein or Stephan Hawkin or Newton,Gallileo etc,some have the gift of inventing like Henry Ford,Eddison,Tesla etc,none of them are the same nor are they equal and for sure none of them got told by a gov't to come up with their amazing discoveries,and what about the poor using their freedom to remove the freedom of the rich?? your freedom stinks its has the stanch of tyranny attached
But you don't see that these people who are "better than everyone else" doesn't work for it, they make other work their ass off for them. They make society go 'round, and they should own their own work-place. And noone chooses to be poor, they become poor, because those imperialist who throw them in the gutter and take all the profit for themselves. Now THAT is tyranny. A society is to be judged after how they treat the weakest, not the strongest. And I didn't say my job, I said our
i havent seen nor meet someone that is better than others and didnt work for it,but i have seen and meet people that "think" they are better than others and they didnt came far in life,those that work their butt off own the workplace,otherwise there wouldnt be a workplace to begin with,those are called company owners or rich guys,i meet a couple of them,they give alot of money and time to charity,reinvest in the company for growth and more jobs,in contrast to your commies.....
.....and therefore you.that do not allow success,because all have to be equal,which consequently means and results in NO motivation or strive for a better living,because if there is any success in what you do,its has to be taken away from you,otherwise you are "better" than others and not equal
thats a shitty society in my view,if you cant make it a better life for yourself on your own and have success in what you do,but instead has to rely on someone that "thinks" he knows it all or better than yourself,to decide for you,what you can have and how much of it,what you can do,when you can do it or if at all,sounds to me like way back in the 1400's or so with Kings and such
Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about are you?
Almost all of us "commies" in Norway are members of Amnesty International, and give a monthly pay to the palestinians so just let that one lay behind, ok?
And the workplaces will always exist no matter if there is some greedy douchebag taking all the profit that he or she doesn't earn at all, but without workers there is no work... its simple logic. And yes. No matter how "hard" you work, you should still equal.
how does a workplace/worker exsist if no one builds/makes something? and therefore how can you make profit of something that you dont make? you clearly know what you are talking about,besides as you falsly assume,the profit is not made off of the workers ,rather it is made off of the product that is made,supply and demand,also work will always be there,maybe not the worker to do it,but thats ok,thats why robots got invented,anyhow if i work hard i should be equal to others...
....i assume they work as hard as me then,right? and if not ,what would be my motivation to work hard again without the rewards for it? so almost of your fellow commies are in AI,nice for you,why arent all of you in it?there seem to be some stragglers that are not equal to the rest of you,how can that be?guess your system isnt as perfect as you think it is
those workers that create a workplace are called company owners (remember rich dude),i havent seen any company or workplace that is run by all the workers,sure workers make products,hence the name worker,they work duhh,but they also get payed for what they do,in money/in vacation/in payed offtime in case of sickness,its called expence,which makes the product more expensive,"gov't control is not that big sacrifice in order to create a just society" are you shitten me?......
.....what is just on a gov't telling me what i can do or not do? or forces me to do something against my will? i feel pitty for you,because you never experience the freedom to persue your happiness or manage your life the way you prefer,but then again you most likely are one of those people that just love to be told what they have do,oh and that "government is not controlling my life-bullshit" is the essence of free people,we decide for ourself how we run our lifes........
.....we take responsibillty for our lifes,we take care of each other if someone is in need,we dont need no gov't to tell us that,its common sence,something that gov't lags and you obviously too,if thats arrogance,yes we are arrogant and proud of it,because we life our lifes how we decide it,not how someone (especialy commies) want us to run our lifes
They're not getting payed hald of what they should make. The fact is that the company owner is taking almost all the money that the workers made. So its only fair that they should own their own work and get the paay they deserve. There are also a lot of companys that are runned by the workers, and that actually seams to be making more profit, because the workplace is a democracy and therfore they are a lot more happy doing the work. And, no I'm not joking. Why is that such a big sacrifice?
it is a huge sacrifice,because your system enslaves people and forces onto them your view of freedom,not their own,it steals their individualism from them,it only gives them the rights of your choosing,
as nice and funny it is to talk with you,you life in a dreamworld,2 things going to happen,either way you wake up and smell the roses or you keep on dreaming,well life will tell which one it will be,cya
Its a greater sacrifice to give up your health care, just because someone wants "individualism". Government will only take controll over what must be public, and where competition doesn't belong.
And yeah, I'll see you after the revolution. Untill then; take care.
no sacrifice at all to give up healthcare,you see,healthcare is not a right,its a previlege,same as driving ,flying,working,and btw Gov't takes controll of everything if you let them,the only thing that needs to be public is a monthly report on what the gov't is doing and how it spends our money,competition is everywhere and will be everywhere,its just the natur of things,oh one more thing you wanna be burried or cremated? you know in case i find your body after your revolution,bye
@RedZicko You should go to school for 20 years and if you are smart enough to become a doctor..After all that work, fresh out of med school you will be told in your "Marxist world" of free stuff..You now have to work for the next 50 years for FREE !
I have to ask, who exactly do you think pays for that "free" health care you seem to think you get in Norway?
..I guess at 15 years old you have not had reality slap you in the face just yet..But I do hope you out grow this Socialist Faze.
Our health care is payed through taxes, wich is a great thing.
But I really don't see the point of arguing with you. You just lost the second you mentioned my age. You are an arrogant douchbag. And I'm not a socialist, I'm a communist.
@RedZicko It appears you are like every other marxist..progressive..soscialist...or COMMUNIST, to call people filthy names when you can not make an intelligent argument for your cause! Very nice..but so very consistent of all you people who absolutely refuse to work for what you want out of life..Whats the matter? Are you afraid of what you might do if you actually had freedom in life to do what you want to? It's sad you will never ever know the FREEDOM GOD GAVE TO EVERYONE!
All of his arguments fall due to the fact that he doesn't adress whether or not the SITUATION has become better or worse because of capitalism, and because he doesn't present an ALTERNATE THEORY. (Sure we all know which on that would be, look how that worked out).
Capitalism has been usurped decades ago, what we've been living in is corporate socialism in combination with intrusive government regulations restricting competition all disguised as capitalism and publicly referred to as capitalism by mega elites who benefit from this type of system.
They smear capitalism in order to reinforce the status quo with more government intrusion and corporate welfare.
I don't blame the herd followers for pinning capitalism as the source of the world's problems.
how can such an idea work for the people when it only manages to enrich an elite and the same elite control the banks and the governments of all the major western countries. maybe if we got the jews out of banking and the freemasons out of the governments, i believe that the freemason in every country should release a list every year of there members that hold public office, weather it be president of the U.S.A., a judge, police man or a road sweeper. capitalism needs to be more open......
Current capitalism doesnt work because we exploid other people. However, extreme left winged comunism doesnt work either, at least we have no history of it working. What we do have, is a history of it being miss used, and never done correct. However, just because capitalism doesnt work the way it is now, that doesnt mean we can just scip to comunism. And this comes from a person who used to believe that comunism was perfect.
I think if India hadn't been taken over by Britain for over 400 years, divided up into several countries and everything stolen from them, including having to pay taxes to Britain until 1947 then India would be allot more powerful etc than the U S.
@zzsharka Really? You should look into the history of India. The fact is that India made way more progress under colonialism and that they actually took a step backward when they were left alone. And India had everything stolen? Are you kidding? India has tons of resources....they just have a shitty planned economy that doesn't utilize those resources.
@mixmastermeeks Yes you do tend to go backwards when you get screwed up by another power and then left to fend for yourself. Aboriginies, Palestinians, the countries around Russia, most of of South America, most of Asia, some of Africa, most of the middle East (Europe took over most of it and let the rest fight over a tiny piece of land) etc in general you'll find the countries with the most poverty/santions will hang onto religion more as they have nothing else to hope for.
@zzsharka Palestinians were colonized? WTF are you talking about? Australia, the United States, and Hong Kong are examples of places that were colonized that have thrived. And in many cases being colonized boosted the quality of life of places. England built infrastructure and institution in most of their colonies and brought them up to date. It is the form of government and the type of economy a nation adopts after they gain independence that is the determining factor in their success.
@mixmastermeeks Well you could say Palestinians have bee suppressed in a similar way. Also India is not worse off now than when Britain was there, in fact it is one of the strongest economies on the planet now, but obviously after Britain left it takes time to clean it up India Many more inventions and culture have come out of India and China than Britain. But gotta hand it to the Brits they are great at war and taking land.
@mixmastermeeks maybe their economy got boosted or something like that, but what can a people do with economy if they are being oppressed by the people who colonize them? And who says the colonists brought them a better life?
@fspilot221 More than their economy got boosted. In Africa many places got their legal and government orgainization from the European colony that occupied them. Roads and Railroads were made. And additionally there are many colonized lands that thrive even today. So maybe we should look at the difference between the colonies that have thrived and the ones that have not. And the main difference is a free market.
That was a good case against the GOVERNMENT but not against free enterprise capitalism. The world was coming otu of monarchy and serfdom, of course they were cess pools of poverty. They had poverty to begin with. It takes work to iradicate poverty. When capitalism moved in standards of livings begun to rise. No one was forced to work at the point of gun. They worked because it benefited them more than not working. It was harsh, but that was a fact of life. Not a product of capitalism.
@Esoparagon Actually if you study the process of primitive accumulation, you will see that conditions fell drastically when capitalism replaced the feudal system. The reason why capitalism overcame feudalism was it's efficiency. All former means of production were essentially conservative in nature, capitalism is radical in all aspects. Get used to one state of affairs and it will tear them apart in a few decades. The problem is alienation of labour, but the conditions for most are bad still.
@Esoparagon No it is not. Did you study the transitions from feudalism to capitalism? The dissolution of the guild systems into the large scale industry system, where people no longer are the subjects of their production but the objects of a machine which acts upon them for the expansion of capital only.
Those nations which develop their means of production to a useful point are not freemarket, they utilise protectionism. Those subject to freetrade suffer the most in the southern hemisphere.
@Esoparagon But regardless, the development of capitalism brought more people out of their natural ties to the land and aristocracy, where for the most part population subsisted on levels which were sustainable. Capitalism allowed for a population boom and massive crowding in cities. The conditions of the working class in the UK were the worst in the 19th Century.
The displacement of the tendential fall in the rate of profit through imperialism mostly moves that out of the core economies.
@TheCommunard Are you serious? Capitalism is bad because it "brought people out of their natural ties to the land and aristocracy"? In other words Capitalism brought Europe out of Feudalism. How is that bad again? People (serfs) moved out of the country where they were pracitcally slaves and improved the lives for themselves and future generations. do you believe England would be BETTER off if capitalism had no "brought more people out of their natural ties to the land"? Have you ever farmed?
@mixmastermeeks Compared with mass slavery utilised in the mercantile era and the factory conditions of the 19th century which decreased lifespan and increased death rates and physical deformities, feudalism is preferable. However, with contrast to the present day in Britain, life is preferable now.
You see, my point is that rural idiocy is removed by capitalism, but that removal/revolution was extremely violent.
Primitive accumulation still occurs in the global south on a daily basis.
@TheCommunard Apparently feudal conditions were not better than factory conditions or people would have stayed on their lords land. Millions of people immigrated to the United States knowing full well what the conditions were. And in fact those conditions, however bad they seem to be by todays standards, were a better condtion than which they had lived previously. I agree that for many it wasn't easy, but it was their choice.
@mixmastermeeks It wasn't a choice to into factories. People were forced through land enclosures, this still happens in Africa and India to this day.
Actually, those who immigrated to America usually did so to avoid religious persecution. The lands which were productive were furthermore populated with slaves taken from Africa.
It was not their choice. Therefore transition to capitalism was a life or death situation.
@TheCommunard It is just pattently false that people work in factories because all of their land got forclosed on. People move into cities and into factories because it is a much better life than agriculture. The left always glorifies the agriculture lifestyle (but only in third world countries). Child labor is a prime example. When children are forced to work for free on a farm that is fine. But put them in a factory and actually pay them and that is child labor.
@mixmastermeeks There are dozens of Inclosure Acts, many of these resulted in riots since the time of Henry VII. Moving into the cities was not a better life, if it was then why would their death rate increase? Urbanisation also lead to an increase in disease and many physical deformities.
When did I ever say that rural lifestyle is superior? It is not, I said "rural idiocy is removed by capitalism, but that removal/revolution was extremely violent."
@TheCommunard Well apparently the people thought it was a better life or they wouldn't have moved. Prior to the Plague serfs tried to escape to the city but were hunted down. After the Plague the institutions that held feudalism in place were too eroded and people were able to escape without being hunted down. If feudalism would have been better than cities people would have stayed on their lords land.
Land enclosures = cannot stay on former Lord's land. The peasants who refused were forced, hundreds died from 1600 to 1850. The gentry simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so.
The feudal system could no longer increase production. Capitalism HAD to emerge. Feudalism prepared the way by having people develop 'property rights' in reaction.
Search picketlinetv in YouTube if you believe there is a new workers party needed in Britain, as Labour are clearly not a labour party and the Con-Dems are savagely destroying this country.
i want americans to know..all our cheap products..all our luxury..our great lives..comes from the suffering and death from factory workers in third world countries who are paid 28 cents an hour..who are treated as less than the product they are making..and if they are too die at the fault of a manager of the factory the family is paid 2080 dollars..price for 911 victims? 200,000 plus 100-1 mil of additional payment..other people are less human than us..that is pure racism
@tanvo93 they can live off of 28 cents an hour! back before we had that damn minimum wage kids worked off of that amount per hour! that was during our biggest growth as a nation. that was when we were the closest to capitalism. Marx's idea of communism is nice but it can never work!
@jfn1103 think about it..theres something called inflation..with inflation they got paid 3.50 an hour its still bad but no where near 28 cents..growth..at what expense? enslaving others? this country was built on the backs of slaves and thats what we are bringing it back too..do u really want ur life to be considered less than product? that would make sure u die so no one steals the materials?
@tanvo93 I want you to know that all of those factory workers were working worse jobs before the factory and that the money they earn helps to build the wealth of their society and is the fastest way out of the kind of conditions you complain about. But in reality you could careless about those people. Your main goal is to feel good about yourself even if it is at their expense. So here is a crazy idea.....why not them choose what they want?
@mixmastermeeks what u call stimulating the economy is taking advantage of the situation..instead of giving them factory jobs where they are treated like shit and abused..why not humanitarian aid if they cared so much. and they protest and work hard for a labor movement and what does our precious factory owners do? they use there money to hire the police and beat them and hose them down with dye so they can catch them later.
@mixmastermeeks p.2 and what about an indian farmer killing himself every 30 min because of endless dept created by the monopoly us has over seeds used to make crops..these seeds take more water in order to grow but indians dont hve that so they die. and there cash crops are useless..
yeah i really do this to feel only better about my self. thats why i devote so much of my time becoming educated and organizing for the expense of others
is it so wrong to care about others? or so different?
@tanvo93 1. Humanitarian aid doesn't bring people out of poverty, it just keeps them from starving. Additionally by sending humanitarian aid like food you put local farmers out of business because they can't compete with free food. 2. I am going to call bullshit on your stat that an indian farmer kills himself every 30 mintutes because of the U.S. If you don't see the problems with that stat then you are already beyond the realm of common sense.
@tanvo93 Additionally if you have been keeping up with India you should know that there has been outrage the last few years because the Indian government has been buying food from the farmers and storing it until it rots to keep it off the market so that the price remains high to the farmer. So Indians are starving while the Indian government keeps food prices high. You are probably getting your info from some wacko Marxist website that has an agenda.
@tanvo93 Really? So you got your statistics from a wido of a farmer who commited suicide. She sounds like a very objective source. I'm sure she has done years of research into the causes of Indian farmer suicides. And frankly I don't have an agenda. But if using economics policies to help improve the lives of billions of impoverished people was my agenda I would say that would be more noble than using impoverished people for plublicity in order to display my false virtues. just saying.
@mixmastermeeks while capitalism exploits its people and ur defending it.we are trying to show that it does that.hey im just sayin instead of pushing these people to the edges of poverty..why not let them own the means of production collectively.ur trying to keep these peoples sorrow out of sight and out of mind..and say hey we are doing good kinda..in reality we dont give a fuck if 28 people get killed in a factory fire because we locked the exists because we didnt want anybody to steal product
@tanvo93 The fact is that Capitalism is improving the lives of Indians. Up until the early 1990s India did not engage in much free trade. They tried to be self sufficent and produce every thing they need in India. It killed them. Since the early 1990's they have began to liberalize their market and practice more free trade. In 2008 Inida's economy grew by 7.4%. 2009 7.4% 2010 8.3%. this is a trend that you would like to end?
@tanvo93 And the practice of capitalism does not lock people in factories. People who do not like capitalism will attribute any undesireable practice to capitalism. India has a government who should naturally have laws to protect workers against such practices.
@tanvo93 As opposed to a 12+ hour day in a field crawling with snakes and bugs only to return to a small hut full of snakes and bugs? Life in third world countries has actually improved as an effect of capitalism. And as for a family member dying in a factory and 9/11 victims benefits, that's more of a govt/corporate policy. Our government doesn't pay a single cent to third world laborers, if you have a problem with the family not receiving enough, talk to the company.
i would like you to know ,that you perhaps go to those countrys and demonstrate there for those suffering workers (well if the regime there, lets you in the first place),i think it has way more effect there than it has here far away from those situations,but then again i believe all you are is a big mouth that sits behind his computer and munches some chips,while you actualy dont give a crap for those suffering workers,but then again it helps your agenda and thats whats matters
@Hoschi0913 i try to get both sides of the argument i ask hindi's punjabis Indians if american outsourcing is helping the economy or the people to come together and its not.they buy out the already corrupt govt to stop the voices.now me i go to protests in america (may i remind u im 17) but i find here that isnt enough no one cares.my agenda is to educate..why, im going to college..hopefully help reform public education enough to actually teach criticle thinking. if not i have to create my own
its a noble goal you have there,but you have a looong way to go,in case you take some advice,educate yourself real good first,by reading the original documents,dont listen to some right or left wing nut that "try's" to explain it to you,read it yourself,watch what people say and what they do,is always a big give away,look at both sides and compair (advantages / disadvantages) ,most important if any possible stay away from any indoctrination,you have your own brain.....use it !!!
@Hoschi0913 i was really digging on your last sentence..
i understand what u mean..i always try to find an alternative, because the right agenda or practices in alot of instances dont work, and the left it goes the same..but i think for effective change we gatta be calloboritive..test out the old theories realize and understand and educate they dont work and try to create new ones with like backtracking,but 1st we gatta stop dependency on corporateTV,over consumption and unconsience consumerism
look at history and it clearly shows ,what did work and what didnt,when most ppl did prosper and when poverty set in,example one the russian revolution,did those ppl prosper afterwards or lived in poverty? you decide ,example two ,america under Cooledge,did ppl prosper or lived in poverty? again,you decide, btw you con not stop consumption its in our nature,they only thing you can do is change your view on it
in the end it all comes down to one simple question.....can men govern himself ? i know my answer and it is same simple ,you have to find yours by yourself
The enemy is corporatism, not capitalism. Capitalism is not a system at all, but simply an extension of freedom, because freedom cannot exist without property rights, and with property rights come naturally on the free market.
Solkovsky 2 weeks ago
funny how the pro capitalism people attack those that say "no matter what importance our work, we should be guaranteed food and shelter" with more venom than the failure asshole criminal CEO's that got bailed out with our hard earned taxes.
midnite22155 3 weeks ago
1:26. Wait what? He's blaming free markets for things that the government screwed up! Does he even understand what free market economics are? NO government subsidy, corporate welfare or interference WHATSOEVER.
cbuma 3 weeks ago
Marx's Das Capital was a compassionate response to capitalism's excesses. Even Blake, called Industry, "the dark Satanic mills." And a good case could be made for Capitalism as the anti-Christ of Revelations.
But all systems are vulnerable to human nature. Greed Sloth, Gluttony, et al are deadly sins because they are DEADLY. There are several systems which could work to everyone's benefit But Oligarchy arises in any system due to not to the system itself, but to corrupt humans.
BillSalem 1 month ago
"the GOVERNMENTS did nothing for the people and gave everything to the rich""when the GOVERNMENTS smashed all the poor""Children working in factories"
Well there we go. A whole video fo bullshit emotional crap designed to push you around and manipulate how you think. What were his actual complaints? Two of them were against statism!!! Not capitalism. Not free markets. Not private business making it on its own. And the last was from the PAST. Ive got news. Through all of mans history kids worked!
NicosMind 2 months ago
Crony capitalism needs to end not capitalism people get these two confused unfortunately..look them both up before you bash capitalism..Cronyism is the enemy
MrEducateyourself101 2 months ago
Capitalism is the American dream...If you get rid of capitalism you get rid of what America is all about...Get rid of corpratism...stop bailing out the special intrest!! dont attack legitimate americans that do good for themselves attack the corporations that have caongressman and politicians in office.that get bailed out because they are too big to fail then dump there debt on us!!!WTF End the Federal Reserve they inflate our currency and ruin our economy Thomas Jefferson wrnd us see his qoutes
MrEducateyourself101 3 months ago
@MrEducateyourself101 Truth is the greatest weapon you wield
Sexualwendigo 3 months ago
@MrEducateyourself101 I am pleased to hear some common logic :).
one day mayby youll see that east/west are not all that different...
Have a nice day Sir.
And A merry Christmas :D
slayer2961 1 month ago
"Capitalism is hegemonic today not because it is the best we fallible humans can do, but because it supports, and is supported by special interests of immense power." David Schweickart argues in his book Against Capitalism that what we need is Economic Democracy: a competitive economy of democratically run enterprises that replaces capitalist financial markets with more egalitarian, more democratic institutions. But, under this present system, we can't even achieve worker control of production!
CosmicFork 4 months ago
@CosmicFork We are in agreement about capitalism today.
How about a cooperative economy of equally owned community enterprises?
See SF2T - first US cooperative where the farmer/producers, consumers and staff are all equal owners.
usthepeople 4 months ago
@usthepeople Yes, your Sandhills Farm to Table Cooperative is a VERY interesting community enterprise.
I'm intrigued by the concept that your cooperative is owned and controlled by those who produce, distribute, and even consume the fresh local food. It's stated in your cooperative charter that if there is surplus cash at the end of a year, it is shared by all three groups. Will you be able to maintain such egalitarian principles in the long run? I hope so. That would be the true "Free Market"!
CosmicFork 4 months ago
We are in agreement about capitalism today.
How about a cooperative economy of equally owned community enterprises?
See SF2T - first US cooperative where the farmer/producers, consumers and staff are all equal owners.
usthepeople 4 months ago
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@CosmicFork "Marxism is the only economic system .... with morality in mind"
Really?? ;.-) :-)
This is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
More even if you consider the RESULTS of such a system: Marxism ALWAYS led to FAMINES; POVERTY; DICTATORSHIPS, TERROR, UN-FREEDOM.
You must be KIDDING!! :-)
joaquinveyron 2 months ago
Is this a play?
Reznov29 4 months ago
It's interesting how he's says "then and now" then gives no present day examples, and how he doesn't reference what happens to people in non-capitalist countries.
TeggDougland 4 months ago
@TeggDougland
Present day examples?? Are you blind?? Look at Africa! Look at Latin America. There, your present day examples! Don't fool yourself by thinking that you live better than 200 years ago because of capitalism. You live better, because Africa and Latin America is starvng! The North became wealthy by riding the back of the third world for 200-300 years - smell the flowers. But this could not last forever....... people can't be held in chains forever, nor can they be fooled forever!
0rioni 2 months ago
@0rioni You go brother!
slayer2961 1 month ago
similar to George Lucas))
redneck10ivan 4 months ago
Marx says alot of things Right, But alot more wrong. Capitlism, socialism, communism. all Just Cons of freedom, fucking over everyone else.
adamsamazingapples 4 months ago
Seen someone's comment saying "no matter how hard you work, everyone should be equal" what an absolute cunt
mickbelfast 5 months ago
@mickbelfast In Anarchist spain the theater company decided that everyone was going to get paid the same. They invited the famous tenor Lazaro to sing. When he got there they told him that everyone gets paid the same. So he got on stage and said "today we are all equal. And to prove that we will get paid the same wage. And because we are all equal, I am going to take tickets at the door and someone else can come sing." They ended up paying him more.
mixmastermeeks 4 months ago in playlist posts
@mickbelfast We are all equal. Just their use of the term equal is that everyone gets the same "stuff" no matter how hard you work for it. So I say then get rid of money all together, and people just work and produce goods and services for everyone. Want a xbox or a tv, or some bread. Just go to the store and take it.
Biosynthnut 4 months ago
@RedZicko If you distinguish so, perhaps you could tell me the difference between socialism and communism? Earth: the Book suggested that the chief difference is the respective presence/absence of democracy, but then, its author is a comedian.
SageSquidward 5 months ago
This guy wrote a book ( telling the world how to run their economies , but never figured out how to support himself or his family). That and the fact that it didn't work in India, in Asia, in Africa, in Cuba in Egypt, etc. It has never worked and yet we see that the greatest advances in the history of mankind and the best standards of living for the majority of people in any country have been accomplished in the USA in the last 235 years. That makes the case for me.
wendydarling17241 5 months ago
@wendydarling17241 Communists just argue that your examples of India, Asia, Cuba, ect.... are not examples of "real" communism. And when you ask them to give you an example of some where that has had "real" communism they tell you it has never existed. In other word: real communism is imaginary.....but far superior to capitalism.
mixmastermeeks 4 months ago in playlist posts
@mixmastermeeks Commune de Paris.
TheRhythmCollection 4 months ago
@TheRhythmCollection Really? cummune de Paris was a succesful communist society? It lasted 2 months. Even if I were to cede that it did ok (which i woudn't) is a 2 month period really enough time to say it was succesful?
mixmastermeeks 4 months ago in playlist posts
Property is privilege
Shenlong86 5 months ago 2
The reasons all of you love communism is because you played call of duty 5 and thought, " Hey, he's a communist and he just killed that guy. I'm gonna be a communist so I can be cool like him!" By the way, HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST!!!!! So don't call me a nazi. I just saved you from sounding like a retard.
flamableproductions 6 months ago
@flamableproductions
What a pity you couldn't save yourself.
AaarghOw 4 months ago
@AaarghOw What a pity you don't bellieve in freedom and justice.
flamableproductions 4 months ago
@flamableproductions
Just when I thought the level of idiocy on YouTube couldn't get any worse, along you come.
Love your videos btw, you've got quite a.... unique talent. :-\
AaarghOw 4 months ago
@AaarghOw I don't think calling me an idiot is going to do you any good. It just solidifies the steriotype that all leftists are snobs. I may not agree with your political standpoint, but I respect you all the same because when you act like an idiot the only person who's reputation is tarnished is your own. Now can we please stop throwing our feces at eachother and have a mature debate.
flamableproductions 4 months ago
@flamableproductions
With all due respect, when you make a confused, immature comments like your initial one, you're inviting negative labels, aren't you?
AaarghOw 4 months ago
@AaarghOw That was my intention the whole time. I was baiting for a debate. I put out a stupid remark to attract a smart person like yourself to have an educated conversation with.... u mad bro?
flamableproductions 4 months ago
@AaarghOw What a pity you don't believe in freedom and justice.
flamableproductions 4 months ago
A hodgepodge of statements with a feeble attempt to link them all together.
Liberals are famous for trying to debunk conservative statistics, claiming questionable causality.......then turn about and make dubious claims themselves.
"Lies......Damn Lies..........Statistics." Mark Twain
Hyena62 6 months ago
Marx was no moralist. With this presented here, he also could be just a lying priest. No, what makes him great is that he scientificly investigated and discovered the rules of development of human society in history and furture (historic materialism) and the how the rules of a capitalist economy work (THE CAPITAL) and how does this determine the whole society, politics, culture and the humans or classes. His communist manifesto has become valid in time through globalization. See marxist.org
edgar0001 6 months ago
Holy shit! It's Karl Marx. I didn't know he was still alive. He should drop some weight and quit drinking though, it may kill him.
mistuhDavecash 6 months ago
@FrankieJames7 Exactly how am I "uneducated and retarted". You don't know who I am! I just don't support communism or socialism. How does that make me uneducated? Really how? I don't care if your a communist but don't you dare going around calling other people retarted just because they don't believe in communism or Marxism.
556deltawolf 6 months ago
i like how this guy is drunk while he is talking of subculture events from the 90's america has had alot of rational changes since then :/
Simplepeepee 6 months ago
Man, Karl Marx in my personal opinion was crazy. He obviously knows nothing about capitalism. I really hate this stereotype that capitalists don't care about other people or their workers. They do it just that sometimes there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. All you Marxist out there need to relize that we can't take care of everyone. That's just how it goes.
556deltawolf 6 months ago
@556deltawolf thats because your retarded, uneducated, and brainwashed
FrankieJames7 6 months ago
Capitalism has always triumphed over Socialism, that's a proven fact!
VigilantOutlaw 6 months ago
Silly, pathetic, miserable, cheap, obnoxious
neovask 6 months ago
@neovask all of that describes you
FrankieJames7 6 months ago
@FrankieJames7 A person with an average or above intelligence would've asked "Why?" And one with below average was expected to whimper & cry. Sorry, Frankie, you did the latter and there I rest my case. This stuff is too intellectual for you.......just stay clear for your own good.
neovask 6 months ago
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@neovask i dont have time for you, i dont spend my time writing comments on youtube 8 hours a day, lets just say you really need an education and stop being a fucking retard
FrankieJames7 6 months ago
May he burn in hell the Zionist piece of sh*t.
TourRoyale 6 months ago
get a new washer
and stop the dribble
anyname666 7 months ago
Marx and his communist idea sounds and looks good on paper,in reality he forgot one very important thing and that the Human factor,in case some ppl dont know what communism is all about.....everyone is working and the money made goes into a big pot ,so when you need something ,you just go and get it,because its already payed for....now here is the problem...you always will have someone that just has to have something better or more than someone else....the human factor,thats why it always fails
Hoschi0913 7 months ago 2
needlees to mention that according to Marx...everyone is equal....which is the main and most important point on communism,now here is the thing that no one wants to admit,in order to have everyone equal,you need ppl that make the decission,so therefore they are not equal with the others,besides you as person do not matter at all,its the collective that stands above all,simply whats good for the collective better be good for you to or else you are a trader to the cause and must be punished
Hoschi0913 7 months ago
@Hoschi0913
You see thats where you are wrong. A very vital part of the marxist philosophy is the Dialectic Materialism wich is the believe that all humans is evolved by their circumstances. That means if a child grows up in a communist society without greed, that child will be taught the communist values wich is anti-war and anti-greed and that child will become a good person, also that "human factor" is now gone. Communism is absolutley possible!
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
i dont see where iam wrong,here is why,1.child grows up in communism,get thaught "only" the good thing,result good person(according to you),now its not only one child,its thousand,since all will be good after this odeal,all are the same/equal,simple logic,2.show me one person in the communist regime that is NOT greedy,3.even in caitalism alot of people are against war's(no communism needed)4.the "human factor" or individualism will always be there,its our nature you cant train it away
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
... further more Dialectic Materialism means this...
The basic idea of dialectical materialism is that every economic order grows to a state of maximum efficiency, while at the same time developing internal contradictions or weaknesses that contribute to its decay.
or plain and simple, an epic failure in the making right from the start
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
1) You are not the same, you just share the same values, wich are being a good person. Its not lie you walk like a bunch of hypnotized robots. In a communist society you will still be uniqe, just worth the same as everybody else. 2) Lenin
3) Its not enough to be against war, you have to do something about it, something thats not possible in capitalism.
4) Of course you can! Grow up in a selfish family, you will get selfish, and the other way around!
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
i have the same and nobel values without communism,as a matter of fact they are now way stronger than in the socialist/communist country i was born in,Lenin was the most greedy and selfish person alive at this time,otherwise he wouldnt had gotten into power,he literaly walked over dead body's to get there,how you wanna fight war? with wars or other sorts of killing?you can grow up where you want,important thing is you get taught values,compare your theories with reality pls
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
Great! But you must understand that in capitalism the majority of the people are greedy, even though you are. And Russia was in a very terrible situation, with the russian eperor and hunger all over the country, so they did what they had to do to get a just society. He got to power and hee served the people, because it was necessary. In those situations, the only way to freedom is through revolt against your government. It doesn't help if a few teaches those values, it has got to be universal...
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
you point of the russian history is wrong,the Zar took good care of the people,but due to Lenin and his followers the Zar got chased out of the country,then Lenin gave the land to the people (not farmers) to grow crops and such,which they had no idea how to do,thats why they had such femmen and people died left and right,opposite views from people would and have been surpressed,by killing them,thats the way communist teach,not the values you talk about and yes it is universal
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
I don't know to taught you history, but you should definatly demand a refund...
During the Tsar (Yes, It's spelled "Tsar"). there was hunger and the majority of the people were poor while the Tsar was living in luxury. He didn'e give shit about the people. Lenin alowed the farmers to grow their own crops, it wasn't until Stalin took over the farms became collectiv.
Its hopeless to argue with someone who doesn't know the history of what they are arguing about.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
Russian History Lesson(LOL):
In October 1905, Nicholas reluctantly issued the famous October Manifesto, which conceded the creation of a national Duma (legislature) to be called without delay. The right to vote was extended and no law was to go into force without confirmation by the Duma The moderate groups were satisfied; but the socialists rejected the concessions as insufficient and tried to organise new strikes.....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
.... By the end of 1905, there was disunity among the reformers, and the tsar's position was strengthened for the time being.
On March 3, 1917, a strike was organized on a factory in the capital Saint Petersburg; within a week nearly all the workers in the city were idle, and street fighting broke out.
The strikers held mass meetings in defiance of the regime, and the army openly sided with the workers. A few days later a provisional government headed by Georgy Lvov was named by the Duma....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
.... Meanwhile, the socialists in Saint Petersburg had formed a Soviet (council) of workers and soldier's deputies, forming an uneasy alliance with the Provisional Government. With his authority destroyed, Nicholas abdicated on 2 March 1917 (Julian Calendar; the Gregorian date was 15 March). He and his family were subsequently murdered by Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War.
So all in all ,as i state b4,the communist are to blame,not the Zar (yes we spell it like this in my language),hagd
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
@Hoschi0913
...And thats a bad thing that they didn't go in for a compromize?
No matter how extended the right to vote is, the power still lies in the hands of a few people. And they dont really have any controll over the society. Economics and work is still owned by the capitalists. Us socialists don't go into any compromises, because full freedom can only be achieved when all power lies in the hands of the people.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
the only part in your last statement that hits the nail on the head is this"full freedom can only be achieved when all power lies in the hands of the people" and thats what we have here with our republic,in contrast to the socialists/communists that wants to tell the people what wrong or especialy right,to enslave the people for their "greater good",whatever that may be since they never explain it,in short,they are the only elite that know whats best for everyone,obey or die
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
...and i agree with you the socie's/commie's do not compromise on anything,its their way or the highway and like i said before.,if you have different/opposite opinion from theirs,they will silence you (look you up,murder you etc etc),because (as they say) the ends justifies the means,so to me it is obvious,that those commies are the most greedy/selfish people around and you wont get any choice with them,unless it is their choice that they pik for you
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
The American republic is one of the least democratic countries you have got today. The power is in the hands of those with the biggest bank accounts. All workers are treated less than the products they create. What we communists believe are that human rights are for everyone, and not just those who are rich. And saying that "those managers work harder" is bullshit. They make money by owning, not working. Your system is based on exploitation.
And just for the reccord... Communism never existed.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
so Russia never was a communist country then,they just called themself that,ah ok good to know,i agree with you "human rights" are for everyone,the rich and the poor,but there are godgiven rights or natural rights as well,what about those? are they ignored by the communists?you know the right of selfprotection,the right of freedom(from tyranny),the right of my way to pursue my happiness,so on... seem to me you never had a manager position,guess thats why you think they "do not work"..
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
....further more you communist system is based way more on exploitation,because you do not give the people their choice of what ,how and if they wanna do something,example Unemployment in the GDR (German Democratic Republic or Eastern Germany),you know the one that claimed to have the real exsisting Socialism,anyhow unemployment was 0%,do you know why?because those that didnt wanted to work(for whatever reason) where put into prison or forced to work or just send to a gullag in russia...
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
...now thats way worse,than the capitalism system in which it is up to me what i make or not make out of my life,selfresponsibillity comes to mind,of course you dont need that with commies,since they tell you what when and how to shit,but what do i know,i only was born and raised in a socialist country,which as you should know is the last step toward communism,besides did you ever spend some "quality" time in North Korea or Cuba or Venezuela?they have what you grave right there.....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
...sure i admit it is not your oh so beloved commusim,but at least they are on the way to it,well at least they claim they are,so how about you go there for lets say 10-20years,get some experience with it and if you still love it,i will help you to find a country that you and your kind can form to best commie nation ever,cuz there is no need whatsoever to change this republic with its bautiful freedom for all (that wants it and fight/defend it)
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
No USSR only managed to achieve socialism, but communism was the goal.
There are no godgiven rights, nor natural rights, just rights and they are ment for everyone, and in a capitalist country, human rights will stay a privilege for the rich. America has no protection, only attacks, no freedom, just for the rich and that material "happiness" comes from the exploitation of the many workers who sacrifices their life so you could live a little better. Shame on you.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
If there are no natural/god given rights,who gives you those "just rights"? where they come from? Have you personaly ever lived in a socialist/communist country? to back up your claims with experience and not only your theory's,if there is no freedom,how come the rich have it?are you deniyng it for the poor?why is happiness attached to material stuff for you?exploitation assumes an oppressor(someone in charge) in your system that would be the communists,shame on you
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
Those rights come from the comon morality that lives naturaly in all humans.
And if you want to start mixing religion into all this, than I must say that the first socialist was Jesus.
And no, I don't, and thats how I can see the failure of Capitalism.
And I speak for about the freedom of the majority. Not only the rich, and yes, they are denying freedom to the poor.
Why is happiness attached to material stuff for me? WTF?
And no, thats socialism. Communism is more related to anarchism.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
so morality is natural from which those rights derives,which means nothing less than those rights are natural as well,whats socialistic on Jesus? he didnt took anything from someone to give it to someone else,besides people could decide for themself if they wanted to take what Jesus had to offer,no one was forced to take anything,freedom for the majority?freedom to do what? define your sence of freedom!!since you have no reallife experience whatsoever with you theory's.....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
....how can you be certain that capitalism is a failure? you do not have any references to compare it to or make any judgement whatsoever about it ! also as you say Communisn is more related to anarchy,wich tells it all to me,reagrdless who in his right mind would go for some form of anarchy (Communism) as the best solution for capitalism?? you said also " that material "happiness" comes from the exploitation..",seems to me your happiness is strongly connected to material things....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
...which is a false hope/sence/attitude toward happiness,aside of everyone experience there own happiness differently,there is no one fits all solution to it,read the book "road to surfdom" or watch the short version of it,made into video clips here on youtube,thats what your communism will lead to in the end,no way around it with a centralized goverment/economy/social system,think it thorough yourself,no other conclusion will result in it......
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
....and for christ sake,pls get some reallife experience,especialy about the things you have no reference to,before you intent to discuss them,dont get me wrong,i dont claim to know it all,far from it,but i have the (unfortunate) advantage to have made the experience,unlike you that only knows the theory of it and as everyone knows,theory and practice (real life) is a way different thing
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”
He wanted to share the gods, and thats as socialistic as you can get.
In capitalism your life is controlled by how much money you own. If you have got money and can buy wealth, then I guess capitalism is great, but what about those that have nothing, because those men took it all away from them? When that system is overthrown by revolution, then the people will be free.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
your problem is that you assume that some people either way are poor or rich (and stay that way forever) and that only socialism/communism cant make them equal in some way,which is totaly wrong,because all persons are born equal,means nacked and with no posession whatsoever,but none of them will end up equal,it is up to each and everyone of them,to make or not make something out of their lifes,and thats freedom,what you do is impose your view of freedom on all of them.....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
......and whats up with this revolution crap? it only 1.confirms my point of you imposing your view of freedom on others and it also 2.shows that you will kill others if they dont believe in your view of freedom,which means nothing else than inslave others so your system can work,which of course is anarchy,btw you still havent explained what your freedom is or means,and what would people be free off after your revolution?what would be the consequences of it?.....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
....and btw it also says in Luke 18-25 (Jesus to the rich guy who followed the 10 commandments)
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." which clearly states/means/gives him a choice to so or not (freedom),it doesnt say anything of he has to do something,i dont see anything socialistic in it at all,because it is up to him not to someone else to take or forces him
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
......so therefore Jesus did not take anything from him nor did he give his wealth to others,therefore nothing socialistic at all ,so Jesus was NOT the first socialist as you claim,as a matter of fact Jesus didnt belong to any kind of political view/party/believes at all in the first place,all he did was serving God by serving men
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
No after the revolution, there will be no poor or rich.
It is our job to keep the people equal. No-one should be better than anyone, no matter how hard they work for it, for in the end all that wealth comes from the expence of other peoples misery. And in theory, that would be freedom, yes, but then the rich will use their freedom to remove the freedom of the workers who actually is making those rich people richer and gets almost nothing left.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
It is your job to keep the people equal??are you kidding me?who are you to choose how equal people are suppose to be?what level of equality everyone has to have or not have? thats not freedom thats tyranny.
No-one should be better than anyone, no matter how hard they work for it?? you still kidding me right?if i choose to work my butt off to make it a better life for myself and my family,who are you to tell me i have to give my hard worked earnings to those that choose to do noting..
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
.....humans are not the same nor ever wil be equal anyways,some have a gift of great inteligence like Einstein or Stephan Hawkin or Newton,Gallileo etc,some have the gift of inventing like Henry Ford,Eddison,Tesla etc,none of them are the same nor are they equal and for sure none of them got told by a gov't to come up with their amazing discoveries,and what about the poor using their freedom to remove the freedom of the rich?? your freedom stinks its has the stanch of tyranny attached
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
@Hoschi0913
But you don't see that these people who are "better than everyone else" doesn't work for it, they make other work their ass off for them. They make society go 'round, and they should own their own work-place. And noone chooses to be poor, they become poor, because those imperialist who throw them in the gutter and take all the profit for themselves. Now THAT is tyranny. A society is to be judged after how they treat the weakest, not the strongest. And I didn't say my job, I said our
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
i havent seen nor meet someone that is better than others and didnt work for it,but i have seen and meet people that "think" they are better than others and they didnt came far in life,those that work their butt off own the workplace,otherwise there wouldnt be a workplace to begin with,those are called company owners or rich guys,i meet a couple of them,they give alot of money and time to charity,reinvest in the company for growth and more jobs,in contrast to your commies.....
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
.....and therefore you.that do not allow success,because all have to be equal,which consequently means and results in NO motivation or strive for a better living,because if there is any success in what you do,its has to be taken away from you,otherwise you are "better" than others and not equal
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
thats a shitty society in my view,if you cant make it a better life for yourself on your own and have success in what you do,but instead has to rely on someone that "thinks" he knows it all or better than yourself,to decide for you,what you can have and how much of it,what you can do,when you can do it or if at all,sounds to me like way back in the 1400's or so with Kings and such
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
@Hoschi0913
Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about are you?
Almost all of us "commies" in Norway are members of Amnesty International, and give a monthly pay to the palestinians so just let that one lay behind, ok?
And the workplaces will always exist no matter if there is some greedy douchebag taking all the profit that he or she doesn't earn at all, but without workers there is no work... its simple logic. And yes. No matter how "hard" you work, you should still equal.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
how does a workplace/worker exsist if no one builds/makes something? and therefore how can you make profit of something that you dont make? you clearly know what you are talking about,besides as you falsly assume,the profit is not made off of the workers ,rather it is made off of the product that is made,supply and demand,also work will always be there,maybe not the worker to do it,but thats ok,thats why robots got invented,anyhow if i work hard i should be equal to others...
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
....i assume they work as hard as me then,right? and if not ,what would be my motivation to work hard again without the rewards for it? so almost of your fellow commies are in AI,nice for you,why arent all of you in it?there seem to be some stragglers that are not equal to the rest of you,how can that be?guess your system isnt as perfect as you think it is
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
The workers creates their own workplace. You couldnt figure that one out yourself, huh?
And yeah its made from the products, and who makes the products?
Government controll is not that big sacrifice in order to create a just society.
All the "government is not controlling my life"-bullshit is just a part of the selfishness and arogance of the common American.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
those workers that create a workplace are called company owners (remember rich dude),i havent seen any company or workplace that is run by all the workers,sure workers make products,hence the name worker,they work duhh,but they also get payed for what they do,in money/in vacation/in payed offtime in case of sickness,its called expence,which makes the product more expensive,"gov't control is not that big sacrifice in order to create a just society" are you shitten me?......
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
.....what is just on a gov't telling me what i can do or not do? or forces me to do something against my will? i feel pitty for you,because you never experience the freedom to persue your happiness or manage your life the way you prefer,but then again you most likely are one of those people that just love to be told what they have do,oh and that "government is not controlling my life-bullshit" is the essence of free people,we decide for ourself how we run our lifes........
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
.....we take responsibillty for our lifes,we take care of each other if someone is in need,we dont need no gov't to tell us that,its common sence,something that gov't lags and you obviously too,if thats arrogance,yes we are arrogant and proud of it,because we life our lifes how we decide it,not how someone (especialy commies) want us to run our lifes
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
They're not getting payed hald of what they should make. The fact is that the company owner is taking almost all the money that the workers made. So its only fair that they should own their own work and get the paay they deserve. There are also a lot of companys that are runned by the workers, and that actually seams to be making more profit, because the workplace is a democracy and therfore they are a lot more happy doing the work. And, no I'm not joking. Why is that such a big sacrifice?
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
it is a huge sacrifice,because your system enslaves people and forces onto them your view of freedom,not their own,it steals their individualism from them,it only gives them the rights of your choosing,
as nice and funny it is to talk with you,you life in a dreamworld,2 things going to happen,either way you wake up and smell the roses or you keep on dreaming,well life will tell which one it will be,cya
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
Its a greater sacrifice to give up your health care, just because someone wants "individualism". Government will only take controll over what must be public, and where competition doesn't belong.
And yeah, I'll see you after the revolution. Untill then; take care.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko
no sacrifice at all to give up healthcare,you see,healthcare is not a right,its a previlege,same as driving ,flying,working,and btw Gov't takes controll of everything if you let them,the only thing that needs to be public is a monthly report on what the gov't is doing and how it spends our money,competition is everywhere and will be everywhere,its just the natur of things,oh one more thing you wanna be burried or cremated? you know in case i find your body after your revolution,bye
Hoschi0913 5 months ago
@Hoschi0913
Healthcare is a privilege, huh? Well congrtatulations, you have just proven yourself to be a bad person.
RedZicko 5 months ago
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IrishLibertyLover 4 months ago
Would you like to explain why it isn't a privilege?
IrishLibertyLover 4 months ago
@IrishLibertyLover I meant to write "isn't instead of is". My bad.
RedZicko 4 months ago
@RedZicko You should go to school for 20 years and if you are smart enough to become a doctor..After all that work, fresh out of med school you will be told in your "Marxist world" of free stuff..You now have to work for the next 50 years for FREE !
I have to ask, who exactly do you think pays for that "free" health care you seem to think you get in Norway?
..I guess at 15 years old you have not had reality slap you in the face just yet..But I do hope you out grow this Socialist Faze.
toogawn 5 months ago
@toogawn
Our health care is payed through taxes, wich is a great thing.
But I really don't see the point of arguing with you. You just lost the second you mentioned my age. You are an arrogant douchbag. And I'm not a socialist, I'm a communist.
RedZicko 5 months ago
@RedZicko It appears you are like every other marxist..progressive..soscialist...or COMMUNIST, to call people filthy names when you can not make an intelligent argument for your cause! Very nice..but so very consistent of all you people who absolutely refuse to work for what you want out of life..Whats the matter? Are you afraid of what you might do if you actually had freedom in life to do what you want to? It's sad you will never ever know the FREEDOM GOD GAVE TO EVERYONE!
toogawn 5 months ago
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Hoschi0913 5 months ago
All of his arguments fall due to the fact that he doesn't adress whether or not the SITUATION has become better or worse because of capitalism, and because he doesn't present an ALTERNATE THEORY. (Sure we all know which on that would be, look how that worked out).
I like his acting though.
Orca8472 7 months ago
Marx was a fool who used the emotion of the underprivileged.
ChaosDynamics 7 months ago
@ChaosDynamics You can disagree with Marx's analysis but I don't see how anyone could see him as a fool
trollinirl 7 months ago
Capitalism has been usurped decades ago, what we've been living in is corporate socialism in combination with intrusive government regulations restricting competition all disguised as capitalism and publicly referred to as capitalism by mega elites who benefit from this type of system.
They smear capitalism in order to reinforce the status quo with more government intrusion and corporate welfare.
I don't blame the herd followers for pinning capitalism as the source of the world's problems.
EriPages 7 months ago
Marx vive em suas idéias.
Armando1735 7 months ago
equality prevails! I salute you....
Archraveful 7 months ago
I love my capitalist system.
LibTyrMatrix2011 8 months ago
criminalize greed!
1971SuperLead 8 months ago
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Would you force someone to live under a socialist government if they didn’t want to?
manor1730 8 months ago
how can such an idea work for the people when it only manages to enrich an elite and the same elite control the banks and the governments of all the major western countries. maybe if we got the jews out of banking and the freemasons out of the governments, i believe that the freemason in every country should release a list every year of there members that hold public office, weather it be president of the U.S.A., a judge, police man or a road sweeper. capitalism needs to be more open......
irishjig123 8 months ago
Current capitalism doesnt work because we exploid other people. However, extreme left winged comunism doesnt work either, at least we have no history of it working. What we do have, is a history of it being miss used, and never done correct. However, just because capitalism doesnt work the way it is now, that doesnt mean we can just scip to comunism. And this comes from a person who used to believe that comunism was perfect.
gulbirk 8 months ago
I think if India hadn't been taken over by Britain for over 400 years, divided up into several countries and everything stolen from them, including having to pay taxes to Britain until 1947 then India would be allot more powerful etc than the U S.
zzsharka 8 months ago
@zzsharka Really? You should look into the history of India. The fact is that India made way more progress under colonialism and that they actually took a step backward when they were left alone. And India had everything stolen? Are you kidding? India has tons of resources....they just have a shitty planned economy that doesn't utilize those resources.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks Yes you do tend to go backwards when you get screwed up by another power and then left to fend for yourself. Aboriginies, Palestinians, the countries around Russia, most of of South America, most of Asia, some of Africa, most of the middle East (Europe took over most of it and let the rest fight over a tiny piece of land) etc in general you'll find the countries with the most poverty/santions will hang onto religion more as they have nothing else to hope for.
zzsharka 8 months ago
@zzsharka Palestinians were colonized? WTF are you talking about? Australia, the United States, and Hong Kong are examples of places that were colonized that have thrived. And in many cases being colonized boosted the quality of life of places. England built infrastructure and institution in most of their colonies and brought them up to date. It is the form of government and the type of economy a nation adopts after they gain independence that is the determining factor in their success.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks Well you could say Palestinians have bee suppressed in a similar way. Also India is not worse off now than when Britain was there, in fact it is one of the strongest economies on the planet now, but obviously after Britain left it takes time to clean it up India Many more inventions and culture have come out of India and China than Britain. But gotta hand it to the Brits they are great at war and taking land.
zzsharka 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks maybe their economy got boosted or something like that, but what can a people do with economy if they are being oppressed by the people who colonize them? And who says the colonists brought them a better life?
fspilot221 8 months ago
@fspilot221 More than their economy got boosted. In Africa many places got their legal and government orgainization from the European colony that occupied them. Roads and Railroads were made. And additionally there are many colonized lands that thrive even today. So maybe we should look at the difference between the colonies that have thrived and the ones that have not. And the main difference is a free market.
mixmastermeeks 7 months ago
Goldman Sachs created 120 sockpuppets.
ComradeMr 9 months ago
poverty exists because of capitalism!!!!!!
bluegrinder84 9 months ago
@bluegrinder84 yeah....brilliant. There was no poverty before capitalism. Skinny people exist because there are fat people too.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
That was a good case against the GOVERNMENT but not against free enterprise capitalism. The world was coming otu of monarchy and serfdom, of course they were cess pools of poverty. They had poverty to begin with. It takes work to iradicate poverty. When capitalism moved in standards of livings begun to rise. No one was forced to work at the point of gun. They worked because it benefited them more than not working. It was harsh, but that was a fact of life. Not a product of capitalism.
Esoparagon 9 months ago 2
@Esoparagon Actually if you study the process of primitive accumulation, you will see that conditions fell drastically when capitalism replaced the feudal system. The reason why capitalism overcame feudalism was it's efficiency. All former means of production were essentially conservative in nature, capitalism is radical in all aspects. Get used to one state of affairs and it will tear them apart in a few decades. The problem is alienation of labour, but the conditions for most are bad still.
TheCommunard 8 months ago
@TheCommunard That conditions are bad for the populations in free market societies compared to those under feudalism is a blatant lie.
Esoparagon 8 months ago
@Esoparagon No it is not. Did you study the transitions from feudalism to capitalism? The dissolution of the guild systems into the large scale industry system, where people no longer are the subjects of their production but the objects of a machine which acts upon them for the expansion of capital only.
Those nations which develop their means of production to a useful point are not freemarket, they utilise protectionism. Those subject to freetrade suffer the most in the southern hemisphere.
TheCommunard 8 months ago
@Esoparagon But regardless, the development of capitalism brought more people out of their natural ties to the land and aristocracy, where for the most part population subsisted on levels which were sustainable. Capitalism allowed for a population boom and massive crowding in cities. The conditions of the working class in the UK were the worst in the 19th Century.
The displacement of the tendential fall in the rate of profit through imperialism mostly moves that out of the core economies.
TheCommunard 8 months ago
@TheCommunard Are you serious? Capitalism is bad because it "brought people out of their natural ties to the land and aristocracy"? In other words Capitalism brought Europe out of Feudalism. How is that bad again? People (serfs) moved out of the country where they were pracitcally slaves and improved the lives for themselves and future generations. do you believe England would be BETTER off if capitalism had no "brought more people out of their natural ties to the land"? Have you ever farmed?
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks Compared with mass slavery utilised in the mercantile era and the factory conditions of the 19th century which decreased lifespan and increased death rates and physical deformities, feudalism is preferable. However, with contrast to the present day in Britain, life is preferable now.
You see, my point is that rural idiocy is removed by capitalism, but that removal/revolution was extremely violent.
Primitive accumulation still occurs in the global south on a daily basis.
TheCommunard 8 months ago
@TheCommunard Apparently feudal conditions were not better than factory conditions or people would have stayed on their lords land. Millions of people immigrated to the United States knowing full well what the conditions were. And in fact those conditions, however bad they seem to be by todays standards, were a better condtion than which they had lived previously. I agree that for many it wasn't easy, but it was their choice.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks It wasn't a choice to into factories. People were forced through land enclosures, this still happens in Africa and India to this day.
Actually, those who immigrated to America usually did so to avoid religious persecution. The lands which were productive were furthermore populated with slaves taken from Africa.
It was not their choice. Therefore transition to capitalism was a life or death situation.
TheCommunard 8 months ago
@TheCommunard It is just pattently false that people work in factories because all of their land got forclosed on. People move into cities and into factories because it is a much better life than agriculture. The left always glorifies the agriculture lifestyle (but only in third world countries). Child labor is a prime example. When children are forced to work for free on a farm that is fine. But put them in a factory and actually pay them and that is child labor.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks There are dozens of Inclosure Acts, many of these resulted in riots since the time of Henry VII. Moving into the cities was not a better life, if it was then why would their death rate increase? Urbanisation also lead to an increase in disease and many physical deformities.
When did I ever say that rural lifestyle is superior? It is not, I said "rural idiocy is removed by capitalism, but that removal/revolution was extremely violent."
TheCommunard 8 months ago
@TheCommunard Well apparently the people thought it was a better life or they wouldn't have moved. Prior to the Plague serfs tried to escape to the city but were hunted down. After the Plague the institutions that held feudalism in place were too eroded and people were able to escape without being hunted down. If feudalism would have been better than cities people would have stayed on their lords land.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks I suppose you can't read.
Land enclosures = cannot stay on former Lord's land. The peasants who refused were forced, hundreds died from 1600 to 1850. The gentry simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so.
The feudal system could no longer increase production. Capitalism HAD to emerge. Feudalism prepared the way by having people develop 'property rights' in reaction.
TheCommunard 8 months ago
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reedadon 9 months ago
i want americans to know..all our cheap products..all our luxury..our great lives..comes from the suffering and death from factory workers in third world countries who are paid 28 cents an hour..who are treated as less than the product they are making..and if they are too die at the fault of a manager of the factory the family is paid 2080 dollars..price for 911 victims? 200,000 plus 100-1 mil of additional payment..other people are less human than us..that is pure racism
tanvo93 9 months ago 22
@tanvo93 That's capitalism for you D:
Halendor960 9 months ago
@tanvo93 they can live off of 28 cents an hour! back before we had that damn minimum wage kids worked off of that amount per hour! that was during our biggest growth as a nation. that was when we were the closest to capitalism. Marx's idea of communism is nice but it can never work!
jfn1103 9 months ago
@jfn1103 think about it..theres something called inflation..with inflation they got paid 3.50 an hour its still bad but no where near 28 cents..growth..at what expense? enslaving others? this country was built on the backs of slaves and thats what we are bringing it back too..do u really want ur life to be considered less than product? that would make sure u die so no one steals the materials?
u surly dont care about equality..
capitalism only works with socialism
tanvo93 9 months ago
@tanvo93 I want you to know that all of those factory workers were working worse jobs before the factory and that the money they earn helps to build the wealth of their society and is the fastest way out of the kind of conditions you complain about. But in reality you could careless about those people. Your main goal is to feel good about yourself even if it is at their expense. So here is a crazy idea.....why not them choose what they want?
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks what u call stimulating the economy is taking advantage of the situation..instead of giving them factory jobs where they are treated like shit and abused..why not humanitarian aid if they cared so much. and they protest and work hard for a labor movement and what does our precious factory owners do? they use there money to hire the police and beat them and hose them down with dye so they can catch them later.
tanvo93 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks p.2 and what about an indian farmer killing himself every 30 min because of endless dept created by the monopoly us has over seeds used to make crops..these seeds take more water in order to grow but indians dont hve that so they die. and there cash crops are useless..
yeah i really do this to feel only better about my self. thats why i devote so much of my time becoming educated and organizing for the expense of others
is it so wrong to care about others? or so different?
tanvo93 8 months ago
@tanvo93 1. Humanitarian aid doesn't bring people out of poverty, it just keeps them from starving. Additionally by sending humanitarian aid like food you put local farmers out of business because they can't compete with free food. 2. I am going to call bullshit on your stat that an indian farmer kills himself every 30 mintutes because of the U.S. If you don't see the problems with that stat then you are already beyond the realm of common sense.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@tanvo93 Additionally if you have been keeping up with India you should know that there has been outrage the last few years because the Indian government has been buying food from the farmers and storing it until it rots to keep it off the market so that the price remains high to the farmer. So Indians are starving while the Indian government keeps food prices high. You are probably getting your info from some wacko Marxist website that has an agenda.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks i got my information from a wido who lost her husband because he killed himself over spiriling dept
ur whole agenda revolves around economics..so idk why ur trippin
tanvo93 8 months ago
@tanvo93 Really? So you got your statistics from a wido of a farmer who commited suicide. She sounds like a very objective source. I'm sure she has done years of research into the causes of Indian farmer suicides. And frankly I don't have an agenda. But if using economics policies to help improve the lives of billions of impoverished people was my agenda I would say that would be more noble than using impoverished people for plublicity in order to display my false virtues. just saying.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@mixmastermeeks while capitalism exploits its people and ur defending it.we are trying to show that it does that.hey im just sayin instead of pushing these people to the edges of poverty..why not let them own the means of production collectively.ur trying to keep these peoples sorrow out of sight and out of mind..and say hey we are doing good kinda..in reality we dont give a fuck if 28 people get killed in a factory fire because we locked the exists because we didnt want anybody to steal product
tanvo93 8 months ago
@tanvo93 The fact is that Capitalism is improving the lives of Indians. Up until the early 1990s India did not engage in much free trade. They tried to be self sufficent and produce every thing they need in India. It killed them. Since the early 1990's they have began to liberalize their market and practice more free trade. In 2008 Inida's economy grew by 7.4%. 2009 7.4% 2010 8.3%. this is a trend that you would like to end?
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@tanvo93 And the practice of capitalism does not lock people in factories. People who do not like capitalism will attribute any undesireable practice to capitalism. India has a government who should naturally have laws to protect workers against such practices.
mixmastermeeks 8 months ago
@tanvo93 As opposed to a 12+ hour day in a field crawling with snakes and bugs only to return to a small hut full of snakes and bugs? Life in third world countries has actually improved as an effect of capitalism. And as for a family member dying in a factory and 9/11 victims benefits, that's more of a govt/corporate policy. Our government doesn't pay a single cent to third world laborers, if you have a problem with the family not receiving enough, talk to the company.
xtremejohnny69 8 months ago
@tanvo93
i would like you to know ,that you perhaps go to those countrys and demonstrate there for those suffering workers (well if the regime there, lets you in the first place),i think it has way more effect there than it has here far away from those situations,but then again i believe all you are is a big mouth that sits behind his computer and munches some chips,while you actualy dont give a crap for those suffering workers,but then again it helps your agenda and thats whats matters
Hoschi0913 7 months ago
@Hoschi0913 i try to get both sides of the argument i ask hindi's punjabis Indians if american outsourcing is helping the economy or the people to come together and its not.they buy out the already corrupt govt to stop the voices.now me i go to protests in america (may i remind u im 17) but i find here that isnt enough no one cares.my agenda is to educate..why, im going to college..hopefully help reform public education enough to actually teach criticle thinking. if not i have to create my own
tanvo93 7 months ago
@tanvo93
its a noble goal you have there,but you have a looong way to go,in case you take some advice,educate yourself real good first,by reading the original documents,dont listen to some right or left wing nut that "try's" to explain it to you,read it yourself,watch what people say and what they do,is always a big give away,look at both sides and compair (advantages / disadvantages) ,most important if any possible stay away from any indoctrination,you have your own brain.....use it !!!
Hoschi0913 7 months ago
@Hoschi0913 i was really digging on your last sentence..
i understand what u mean..i always try to find an alternative, because the right agenda or practices in alot of instances dont work, and the left it goes the same..but i think for effective change we gatta be calloboritive..test out the old theories realize and understand and educate they dont work and try to create new ones with like backtracking,but 1st we gatta stop dependency on corporateTV,over consumption and unconsience consumerism
tanvo93 7 months ago
@tanvo93
look at history and it clearly shows ,what did work and what didnt,when most ppl did prosper and when poverty set in,example one the russian revolution,did those ppl prosper afterwards or lived in poverty? you decide ,example two ,america under Cooledge,did ppl prosper or lived in poverty? again,you decide, btw you con not stop consumption its in our nature,they only thing you can do is change your view on it
Hoschi0913 7 months ago
in the end it all comes down to one simple question.....can men govern himself ? i know my answer and it is same simple ,you have to find yours by yourself
Hoschi0913 7 months ago