Also for further clarification. I am not a hater, I just get annoyed when people claim that she doesn't lipsynch because she does. Granted, she doesn't do it all the time, but there are a few "live" performances where she is in fact lipsynching. It's just that she re-records the songs to make it sound like she's singing live. None of this takes away from the fact that she's an amazing performer. But she is also human.
I'm not saying beyonce isn't talented. Only the most delusional hater would say that. But I am saying that in spite of all of her talent, she is human. And whether u believe it or not, she does lipsynchs. That is all.
@kinganthoney who told me what? Beyonce is talenteless and not a growing legend? Delusional haters say that. But lets be real, there is no way you can move that much and sound that way. I dont care how much "training" you have it's impossible. Try it!
@G2red89 it is not impossible michael jackson did it and beyonce doing it i seen her live she sing so great it sound like her alubm she is a legend u try it and tell me hoe it is
@kinganthoney Yea, she's talented, but she's human. Thats all I'm saying. If you truthfully believe that she doesn't lipsynch than thats you. I think you're wrong and have "evidence" to prove it. But people will believe what they want so there ya go.
I already figured she was lipping, but this vid should prove it. She does sing live, but some songs, including single ladies, she lips. This one performance she is singing live. But if all her single ladies performances are live, then why is she not doing the choregraphy here? Also why does she sound different and more tired here? Because that performance is 100% live, where the other ones are maybe 30% live.
@G2red89 OK you do have some points but to say she sounds tried on one and not on another is simply crazy. no one is going to sound exactly the same on every single part of the song. Yeah some parts will be the same because it is the same person singing it but whose to say that during one performance she was not the same and was tired. Anything could have made her tired from a hectic work schedule and constant performances to just not getting enough sleep. The point is she nailed it. ISayItsLIVE
@lamarrdonte15king Ya but if you look up pretty much every single ladies performance on youtube, it sounds exactly the same as when she was doing the live rehearsal. She performed on Tyra, 106 & park, AMAs, SNL, WMAs. All those performances sound the same. So one can only assume that she's lipping. I think if anyone tried to do the routine while singing, they would sound horrible. It's not impossible, but I believe she lips to a majority of the song to make it easier on her.
@afunches100 Watch all her single ladies performances and then come back and tell me she mixes them all up. She lips. She sings live. She does both. That doesn't mean she isn't the best, it means she's human. She's still the best, she just needs a little help.
@lamarrdonte15king And also, Beyonce has said several times that she gives her all on stage. So the version I showed where she sounds "more tired" I think that's just how she would sound if she were really singing live at the time. To me, it's obvious because a lot of her performances that are live, she sounds a bit different in each one. But for single ladies, every one sounds exactly the same.
@lamarrdonte15king also search for "single ladies live rehearsal". This is the track she lips to when she performs the song. She simply re recorded it, and mimes the words to it instead of the cd version.
@G2red89 i have heard that live rehersal quite some time ago... I'm not saying its the same but i'm not saying its not the same either. I don't know what she did and it's the same for you. By listening to something is not going to tell you whether it was pre-recorded or not. i will say that she does usually sing live and you can telll that she does especially in her concerts i've been to one in person you can really tell she's much better live than recordings. but we dont honestly know & thts it
@embryo813 I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you. I'm not too sure about radio, but I know that Singles ladies is lipped all the time, the first verse of ego is, and naughty girl always is. Some other songs here and there, maybe, but I know for sure she lips those.
@G2red89 Look up a rehearsal of Beyonce Practicing with her band... She has back up singers that can literally mimic her... LITERALLY! lol. it blew my mind the first time i heard them, but It's the real deal.
Bey's 100% pure talent boo. Even if the track were playing in the back ground, her mic is still on. I'm a singer...you can tell the difference.
@1HawtDrummerGirl I've seen that clip and thats the track she lips to. She probably recorded that as her "live" track. If you look at pretty much all of her SL performances, you can hear that they all sound the same. Look up all her Halo performances and each one is a bit different. And I'm also a singer, and if you are one too than I challenge you to run and jump while singing and see how you sound. It's not easy, and I dont care how much "training" you have, it's close to impossible.
@G2red89 :@1HawtDrummerGirl I've seen that clip and thats the track she lips to.
Hold on... in the vid i'm talking about you can clearly tell she's not lip singing... They're practicing. She talks and stops to correct things... i'm going to have to find it for you.
@1HawtDrummerGirl I think I know which one you're talking about. Is it the one where she's sitting down and singing single ladies? It's a rehearsal clip right? What I meant is, she sung it once then, and thats the track that she lips to when she performs single ladies. It's "live" but it's similar to Britney spears when she lips directtly from her cd, but Beyonce re records some of her uptempos(ex. single ladies) to make people think she's really singing when she's not.
@tsp2235 Uhm, Im not a hater, get it right. I can then say to you quit being a delusional stan who can't see the difference between lipsyncing and singing. Beyonce's talented and all, but she does NOT sing live all the time. Sorry if pointing out a fact makes me a hater.
@1HawtDrummerGirl I just favorited a Beyonce single ladies performance that is full out live. It's short, but helps assist my point that she does in fact lip syncs. Now tell me, why does she sound different there as in more tired in that performace than her other single ladies performances? She also sounds different. And if they all were live, then why is she not doing the choreography during that one? Because the other ones are lipped. It's a short vid, but I think it gets my point across.
@G2red89 First of all a true artists never sounds the same in every performance because they have true and real creativityand the fans(those who know music will realize that creativity takes you far which why Beyonce is in a league of her own!! and fyi she does sings live unlike janet jackson,ciara aka c-error,rihanna,and shitney spears! I went to Bey's "I am concert as well as her"Beyonce Experienece Concert in Atlanta back in 2007 and I left that arena in awe and speechless!! now that's talent
@1HawtDrummerGirl Okay, why do folks always wanna try and take something away from someone? A one eyed blind and deaf man can tell you that Beyonce is extremely talented. I saw the I AM Tour live and she delivered150%, I left there feeling honored to have seen her. Years ago I saw Rhythm Nation and although I love Janet also, there was a lot prerecorded singing etc, but it was still a good show. Taking nothing away from Ms.Jackson, Beyonce sang her ass off on this tour vocals were amazing.
I find it funny when people say she doesnt lipsynchs. The whole radio song was lipped, and some of ego. She also lips get me bodied, and single ladies.
@G2red89 Not when I saw her LIVE last summer no playbacks none of that all I heard was pure live vocals and you are not supposed to lipsync while touring what would be the purpose of seeing a person in a concert if they dont sing live lols
@TheEmancipation Britney lips and people still spend money to see her talentless ass. Its harder to see her lipping while you're at the concert, but when you see live performances on tv its easier to see. Single ladies is lipped, and a few other uptempos are. Its nothing wrong with that, it just is what it is.
@G2red89 Sorry but you have Totally false already for single ladies she sings the full and chorus are sung by Mama's (Chorus), and other songs the same things are certain when they chatent because beyoncé must dance more technical and often it does both in Meanwhile, Frenchie anyone who is already seen beyoncé Live will tell you that there is no playbacks 100% Live.
@FashionBEYONCE Sorry but I believe that you are totally false. If you look at pretty much all of her Single Ladies performances, they all sound the same. If you look at all of her Halo performances, they sound a bit different. Thats because Halo is live, while most of Single Ladies is not. If you really look and listen at the live parts of single ladies, you can hear how out of breath she is and should then be able to see that the parts you think are live, couldnt possibly be.
I L.O.V.E Radio. And it's even better live, ... who am I kidding. It's WAAAAAYYY better live. I mean, not only her vocals, but the choreo and the costumes, I just love what they did with this record. It's so awesomely entertaining. <3 <3 <3
i watched the essence music festival yesterday and this wasn't it. she sang single ladies at the beginning of the show and then performed again at the end of the show she sang if i were a boy.
oh really aw i wish they had shown everything on tv. i wuda loved to see it again like i did when i saw her in concert this summer. i cant wait till the concert comes out on dvd!
She has never looked so beautiful, I love the natural beyonce look, it really fits her(: Her voice is amazing as always and she's a great performer. I hope I get to meet her one day.
Olha essa é a melhor artista do mundo, quem hoje é capaz de fazer uma apresentação dessa no mundo? Ela é unica, ela é poderosa, ela é Rainha. Tenho orgulho de ser seu fã a oito anos da minha vida, e sempre serei seu admirador. O Brasil te ama, e te espera anciosamente
Look this is the best artist in the world, who is now able to make a presentation of the world? She is unique, it is powerful, she is Queen. I am proud to be your fan to eight years of my life, and always be your fan. Brazil loves you, and you wait anxiously
8:00 - 8:10 is just. This is why I love her as a vocalist. She uses it to perfection.
leo2009910 8 months ago
WATCH o reggae da alegria sergio (netto)
rosalvoneto32 11 months ago
3:43......GOOSEBUMPS!!! call the government!!! this woman isnt human!!
krabhole 11 months ago
LOVE THIS
kamari151 1 year ago
Also for further clarification. I am not a hater, I just get annoyed when people claim that she doesn't lipsynch because she does. Granted, she doesn't do it all the time, but there are a few "live" performances where she is in fact lipsynching. It's just that she re-records the songs to make it sound like she's singing live. None of this takes away from the fact that she's an amazing performer. But she is also human.
G2red89 1 year ago
I DONT THINK BEYONCE LIP SING'S SHE IS A REAL TALNET PEOPLE TALK CANT STOP THAT BUT WHY THEY ON YOU TUBE MAKEING SHIT UP BITCH IS STILL MAKEING MONEY
kinganthoney 1 year ago
She is the only one that can sing live, dance and entertein at the same time!
LOV U B!
vir10arg 1 year ago 2
@vir10arg well i do have to point out Lady Gaga is coming up too. But Beyonce is my fav.
lamarrdonte15king 1 year ago
I'm not saying beyonce isn't talented. Only the most delusional hater would say that. But I am saying that in spite of all of her talent, she is human. And whether u believe it or not, she does lipsynchs. That is all.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 who told u that
kinganthoney 1 year ago
@kinganthoney who told me what? Beyonce is talenteless and not a growing legend? Delusional haters say that. But lets be real, there is no way you can move that much and sound that way. I dont care how much "training" you have it's impossible. Try it!
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 it is not impossible michael jackson did it and beyonce doing it i seen her live she sing so great it sound like her alubm she is a legend u try it and tell me hoe it is
kinganthoney 1 year ago
@G2red89 she has a lot of talent people kill me u cant say no one has that god give ever one a ture talent so she is using hers
kinganthoney 1 year ago
@kinganthoney Yea, she's talented, but she's human. Thats all I'm saying. If you truthfully believe that she doesn't lipsynch than thats you. I think you're wrong and have "evidence" to prove it. But people will believe what they want so there ya go.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 if u say so
kinganthoney 1 year ago
@G2red89 Is there any evidence that she doesn't do it live???
lamarrdonte15king 1 year ago
@lamarrdonte15king search for Single Ladies @ TEIWF
I already figured she was lipping, but this vid should prove it. She does sing live, but some songs, including single ladies, she lips. This one performance she is singing live. But if all her single ladies performances are live, then why is she not doing the choregraphy here? Also why does she sound different and more tired here? Because that performance is 100% live, where the other ones are maybe 30% live.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 OK you do have some points but to say she sounds tried on one and not on another is simply crazy. no one is going to sound exactly the same on every single part of the song. Yeah some parts will be the same because it is the same person singing it but whose to say that during one performance she was not the same and was tired. Anything could have made her tired from a hectic work schedule and constant performances to just not getting enough sleep. The point is she nailed it. ISayItsLIVE
lamarrdonte15king 1 year ago
@lamarrdonte15king Ya but if you look up pretty much every single ladies performance on youtube, it sounds exactly the same as when she was doing the live rehearsal. She performed on Tyra, 106 & park, AMAs, SNL, WMAs. All those performances sound the same. So one can only assume that she's lipping. I think if anyone tried to do the routine while singing, they would sound horrible. It's not impossible, but I believe she lips to a majority of the song to make it easier on her.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 is yall crazy, in every song B sings, she mixes the song up, everyone knows she sings live.........she's the best....enough said...
afunches100 1 year ago
@afunches100 Watch all her single ladies performances and then come back and tell me she mixes them all up. She lips. She sings live. She does both. That doesn't mean she isn't the best, it means she's human. She's still the best, she just needs a little help.
G2red89 1 year ago
@lamarrdonte15king And also, Beyonce has said several times that she gives her all on stage. So the version I showed where she sounds "more tired" I think that's just how she would sound if she were really singing live at the time. To me, it's obvious because a lot of her performances that are live, she sounds a bit different in each one. But for single ladies, every one sounds exactly the same.
G2red89 1 year ago
@lamarrdonte15king also search for "single ladies live rehearsal". This is the track she lips to when she performs the song. She simply re recorded it, and mimes the words to it instead of the cd version.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 i have heard that live rehersal quite some time ago... I'm not saying its the same but i'm not saying its not the same either. I don't know what she did and it's the same for you. By listening to something is not going to tell you whether it was pre-recorded or not. i will say that she does usually sing live and you can telll that she does especially in her concerts i've been to one in person you can really tell she's much better live than recordings. but we dont honestly know & thts it
lamarrdonte15king 1 year ago
@lamarrdonte15king i know right!
sexyblack103 1 year ago
BEYONCÉ EO Q TEM DE MELHOR NO MUNDO DA MUSICA ATUAL
maryyfierce 1 year ago
@ 3:31 WTF, NO ONE will ever TOP Beyonce Knowlessss
1HawtDrummerGirl 1 year ago
she's stunning!!
teamor181 1 year ago
at 1:07 she does a move from janet jackson's "if"
letchugo 1 year ago
wapiissiimaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
idt1oculta 1 year ago
@embryo813 I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you. I'm not too sure about radio, but I know that Singles ladies is lipped all the time, the first verse of ego is, and naughty girl always is. Some other songs here and there, maybe, but I know for sure she lips those.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 Look up a rehearsal of Beyonce Practicing with her band... She has back up singers that can literally mimic her... LITERALLY! lol. it blew my mind the first time i heard them, but It's the real deal.
Bey's 100% pure talent boo. Even if the track were playing in the back ground, her mic is still on. I'm a singer...you can tell the difference.
1HawtDrummerGirl 1 year ago
@1HawtDrummerGirl I've seen that clip and thats the track she lips to. She probably recorded that as her "live" track. If you look at pretty much all of her SL performances, you can hear that they all sound the same. Look up all her Halo performances and each one is a bit different. And I'm also a singer, and if you are one too than I challenge you to run and jump while singing and see how you sound. It's not easy, and I dont care how much "training" you have, it's close to impossible.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 I did what u said... I don think they sound pre-recorded though.
LOL! idk about jumping, but i sing while i jog and with training, u really can control your voice babe.
Appreciate the input tho!
1HawtDrummerGirl 1 year ago
@G2red89 :@1HawtDrummerGirl I've seen that clip and thats the track she lips to.
Hold on... in the vid i'm talking about you can clearly tell she's not lip singing... They're practicing. She talks and stops to correct things... i'm going to have to find it for you.
1HawtDrummerGirl 1 year ago
@1HawtDrummerGirl I think I know which one you're talking about. Is it the one where she's sitting down and singing single ladies? It's a rehearsal clip right? What I meant is, she sung it once then, and thats the track that she lips to when she performs single ladies. It's "live" but it's similar to Britney spears when she lips directtly from her cd, but Beyonce re records some of her uptempos(ex. single ladies) to make people think she's really singing when she's not.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 Quit being a hater!
tsp2235 1 year ago
@tsp2235 Uhm, Im not a hater, get it right. I can then say to you quit being a delusional stan who can't see the difference between lipsyncing and singing. Beyonce's talented and all, but she does NOT sing live all the time. Sorry if pointing out a fact makes me a hater.
G2red89 1 year ago
@1HawtDrummerGirl I just favorited a Beyonce single ladies performance that is full out live. It's short, but helps assist my point that she does in fact lip syncs. Now tell me, why does she sound different there as in more tired in that performace than her other single ladies performances? She also sounds different. And if they all were live, then why is she not doing the choreography during that one? Because the other ones are lipped. It's a short vid, but I think it gets my point across.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 First of all a true artists never sounds the same in every performance because they have true and real creativityand the fans(those who know music will realize that creativity takes you far which why Beyonce is in a league of her own!! and fyi she does sings live unlike janet jackson,ciara aka c-error,rihanna,and shitney spears! I went to Bey's "I am concert as well as her"Beyonce Experienece Concert in Atlanta back in 2007 and I left that arena in awe and speechless!! now that's talent
Beyoncefan1000 1 year ago
@1HawtDrummerGirl Okay, why do folks always wanna try and take something away from someone? A one eyed blind and deaf man can tell you that Beyonce is extremely talented. I saw the I AM Tour live and she delivered150%, I left there feeling honored to have seen her. Years ago I saw Rhythm Nation and although I love Janet also, there was a lot prerecorded singing etc, but it was still a good show. Taking nothing away from Ms.Jackson, Beyonce sang her ass off on this tour vocals were amazing.
absoluteracine 1 year ago
I find it funny when people say she doesnt lipsynchs. The whole radio song was lipped, and some of ego. She also lips get me bodied, and single ladies.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 She's on a tour they are not allowed to lipsync
TheEmancipation 1 year ago
@TheEmancipation what do you mean by "allowed" she does lip a few of her songs.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 Not when I saw her LIVE last summer no playbacks none of that all I heard was pure live vocals and you are not supposed to lipsync while touring what would be the purpose of seeing a person in a concert if they dont sing live lols
TheEmancipation 1 year ago
@TheEmancipation Britney lips and people still spend money to see her talentless ass. Its harder to see her lipping while you're at the concert, but when you see live performances on tv its easier to see. Single ladies is lipped, and a few other uptempos are. Its nothing wrong with that, it just is what it is.
G2red89 1 year ago
@G2red89 No i actually get what you're saying and yes who the hell would go see Britney lipsync and half step she needs to get her swag back???? lols
TheEmancipation 1 year ago
@G2red89 Sorry but you have Totally false already for single ladies she sings the full and chorus are sung by Mama's (Chorus), and other songs the same things are certain when they chatent because beyoncé must dance more technical and often it does both in Meanwhile, Frenchie anyone who is already seen beyoncé Live will tell you that there is no playbacks 100% Live.
Then fall!.
FashionBEYONCE 1 year ago
@FashionBEYONCE Sorry but I believe that you are totally false. If you look at pretty much all of her Single Ladies performances, they all sound the same. If you look at all of her Halo performances, they sound a bit different. Thats because Halo is live, while most of Single Ladies is not. If you really look and listen at the live parts of single ladies, you can hear how out of breath she is and should then be able to see that the parts you think are live, couldnt possibly be.
G2red89 1 year ago
THE BEST!!
diegopreston 1 year ago
it so refreshing for a singer to actually follow their occupation and SING and not lip sync and act like they were so amazing...GO BEYONCE
MJBKfan4ever 1 year ago
funny she got hood on us doing (ego)......killed it....get it b..
corystl 1 year ago
Work HoneyBEE!
Luckey2007 1 year ago
dead ass crowd
javarie19 2 years ago
cool
diegopreston 2 years ago
was that crowd lame or what? im asking cuz i wasnt there but it seems like it.
idntlosei8 2 years ago 4
no its the editing they did.
sjamz27 2 years ago
she's a DIVA!
itsRubenbitchs 2 years ago 31
No no.. She is THE DIVA! =D
Biggyy007 2 years ago 2
beyonce know she can sang the mess out of a song!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beyoncefan1000 2 years ago 7
omg she was killin in dem heels...
pimptwin411 2 years ago 4
By the way Beyonce is making an Anthology for her I Am... Sasha Fierce Album EVERY song will have a video! I just can't wait
ManLykStryda99 2 years ago 3
cant wait for it!!!
UZRA098 2 years ago
YYYayyYy thnxx uu...., so that other DVd tht came out with the videos wasnt it rightt??
javarie19 2 years ago
I wonder if the choreography used for Radio is going to be used in the video ??
ManLykStryda99 2 years ago
me to i cant wait till THIS COMES ON DVD IM TOTALLY GET THIS
LOVESBEYONCE101 2 years ago 4
Hell yeah!
Biggyy007 2 years ago
3:43 that was so hot i love beyonce amazing
ACE19MAN 2 years ago
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Beyonce is always naked.
Youttubi 2 years ago
okay thanks
sexyblack103 2 years ago
I L.O.V.E Radio. And it's even better live, ... who am I kidding. It's WAAAAAYYY better live. I mean, not only her vocals, but the choreo and the costumes, I just love what they did with this record. It's so awesomely entertaining. <3 <3 <3
ChichRules 2 years ago 8
same here. i just wish it wouldve been released as a single and then performed somewhere like the VMAs. that song has so much potential!
ramarskils 2 years ago
This is going to be a single soon...I cant wait because Im gonna request it everywhere!!
coupsaen 2 years ago
you wished what were released
is she having a new song ?
hoter231 2 years ago
Radio. its on her sasha fierce album, and pretty much the best track on it. but for some reason it was never released.
ramarskils 2 years ago
is this what there gonna be showing on tv on august 30th?
sjamz27 2 years ago
what station showing her concert?
sexyblack103 2 years ago
tvone ..this sunday at 8:00
sjamz27 2 years ago 2
tv one
dymondusic 2 years ago
i watched the essence music festival yesterday and this wasn't it. she sang single ladies at the beginning of the show and then performed again at the end of the show she sang if i were a boy.
lisalisalisa9481 2 years ago
You watched the Essence Awards then, I think. Not the festival :)
4evarmusic 2 years ago
this is it. they had to edit the show to fit it to only 2hours..
because beyonce performed almost every song off of her i am concert..
i was there
sjamz27 2 years ago 2
oh really aw i wish they had shown everything on tv. i wuda loved to see it again like i did when i saw her in concert this summer. i cant wait till the concert comes out on dvd!
lisalisalisa9481 2 years ago
these are the performances that they didn't show. Beyonce headlined one of the three days essence had its festival.
swiftfox07 2 years ago
Beyonce is the only artist now that could sing Irreplaceable..b/c she is truely irreplaceable...nobody could take Beyonce's spot on the top..
EGOsoBIG94 2 years ago 48
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i hate these costumes
tara25191 2 years ago
its for a tour what else do you expect. Theyre suppose to be over the top and dramatic
georgiafusion 2 years ago 5
wow! thank u, whoever put this up :)
ramarskils 2 years ago 2
Work it Queen Bey!
I love you!!
heavypopbeat13 2 years ago 6
wat was that song at 8:00
Lakeidria 2 years ago
It was "Listen"
smthcmnl 2 years ago
She has never looked so beautiful, I love the natural beyonce look, it really fits her(: Her voice is amazing as always and she's a great performer. I hope I get to meet her one day.
OMGitslolita 2 years ago 5
She amazing but you can tell she was not comfortable on Essence's cheap ass stage. They could have let the stage be her way just for that nite.
te5041 2 years ago
WOW!!! @ 8:00
BeyonceBoi247 2 years ago 3
THE BESTE, THE BEST OHHHHHHHHHH GOD
brazilianbey 2 years ago 2
go bey!
sireagz 2 years ago 9
VERY GOOD BEYONCE!!!! YOUR AMAZING
vonte327 2 years ago 6
Olha essa é a melhor artista do mundo, quem hoje é capaz de fazer uma apresentação dessa no mundo? Ela é unica, ela é poderosa, ela é Rainha. Tenho orgulho de ser seu fã a oito anos da minha vida, e sempre serei seu admirador. O Brasil te ama, e te espera anciosamente
brazilianbey 2 years ago
Look this is the best artist in the world, who is now able to make a presentation of the world? She is unique, it is powerful, she is Queen. I am proud to be your fan to eight years of my life, and always be your fan. Brazil loves you, and you wait anxiously
brazilianbey 2 years ago 5
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no not the best. even the best artists have to re-invent themselves. Beyonce doesn't.
leander1991 2 years ago
hhahahaha She sings of true love, it is not a lie as many artists out there who know feathers dance and nothing more.
The best artist in the world, yes, and you know it today because it is what is best to listen and to see.
brazilianbey 2 years ago 2
beyonce is amazing..the end of listen was hott
EGOsoBIG94 2 years ago 8