The Atheist Goatee Presents: Bible Contradictions - Part II

[robertobrian6]

theatheisg... And don;t forget Ezk.14;9 ...And I the Lord (God) deceived that prophet.

Thank;s

[spinnersmetal]

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.

GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.

GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.

JE 31:34 God does not remember sin when it has been forgiven.

NU 25:9 24,000 died in the plague.

1CO 10:8 23,000 died in the plague.

i have hundreds more of these, just ask.

[TheAtheistGoatee]

thanks for that....i got tons too

[Matur1n]

Anyone with a brain can see those aren't contradictions. When two different people report numbers with a difference of 23,000 vs 24,000, can't you guess that one is rounding and the other isn't? Or one is counting the deaths in a longer period of time? You misrepresent Genesis 2:17. Before he ate of the fruit, Adam wouldn't die, after he ate of it he was subject to death. That's all that verse means. Nothing in Genesis 1;26-27 requires creation at exactly the same time.

[TheAtheistGoatee]

wow...it must take enormous talent to be in that kind of denial. sorry friend i think you are ignoring the words when they are in your face as plain as day. sorry bout your other comment i accidentally clicked remove rather than reply.

[Matur1n]

The gist was that Jeremiah 31 was promising a specific group of people that he would forget their sins. See verse 33. The general rule is that he would remember it.

[TheAtheistGoatee]

2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

you cant get much clearer than that. it says he will die the day he eats the fruit.....u cant argue that.

[Matur1n]

Nothing about that statement means he will die that exact day. Before he ate, he wasn't subject to death. After he was.

You are really mad at your boss & want to rough him up, but your job is important to you too. You are deciding what to do & get advice from a mentor. He says: "the day that you lay hands on your boss you will surely be fired." If you shove your boss, but don't get fired until the next day or another day later, would you run to your mentor to tell him how wrong he was?

[TheAtheistGoatee]

for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

i dont see how you are missing this....it plainly says that he will die the day he eats from the tree. no amount of back peddaling is going to save you from the plain words used in the verse. it does not say "eat from the tree and you will be subject to death" that is just a way for believers to go around what is plainly stated.

[Matur1n]

Before he ate from the tree he couldn't die, the day he ate from it he surely could.

It does not say "eat from the tree and you will be subject to death". That is exactly what was meant. The rest of the chapter and the next tell of his Adam's long life. The author is entitled to assume you would not misubderstand. The only way to misunderstand is to act like that sentence is alone outside the context of the rest of the chapter.

Did you ignore my example about the boss and being fired?

[Matur1n]

Aristotle put us on the course to classifying animals in certain ways, dividing them into mammals, reptiles, fish, birds, etc. These classifications are arbitrary, useful for classifying them according to what is important to us. Some other culture, that say had color the most important thing, would group them completely differently. In Jonah's day, the concept of mammals and repltiles didn't exist. Any large animal like a whale. shark or dolphin, would be called by the Hebrew word used in Jonah

[Matur1n]

The Hebrew text in Jonah reads dag gadol (Hebrew: דג גדול), which translated literally means "great fish." The Greek term ketos alone means "huge fish," & in Greek mythology the term was associated with sea monsters. Jerome later translated this phrase as piscis granda in his Latin Vulgate. However, he translated ketos as cetus in Matthew 12:40. At some point, cetus became synonymous with whale. William Tyndale translated Jonah 2:1 as "greate fyshe," & the word ketos (Greek) as "whale."

[TheAtheistGoatee]

the point im trying to make, is that the term "great fish" is used by most christians.  in fact, most believers that i know claim that it wasnt a whale.

[Matur1n]

In English we make a distinction between whale & fish, because of the classsificiations as mammal or fish. In the ancient world, the two were grouped together. The Christians aren't wrong as the Koine Greek word "ketos" used in Matthew can be translated as whale, but it also encompassed great fish & sea monsters in their language. In ancient Hebrew there wasn't a word for Whale, they didn't distinguish that as any different than a fish. So it could be either animal, we just don't know which.

[TheAtheistGoatee]

thats all well and good, but here is my question to you: instead of this confusion, why did the people who put the bible together, just change it so that it matched up?

[Matur1n]

Are you asking: "Why didn't they?"

The obvious answer is that the gospel of Matthew is trying to tell the story of Jesus and teach lessons based on his life and teachings. We assume it was written in Koine Greek like we know most of the rest of the NT was. It wasn't written for those tring to parse it for differences that amount to the way two different ancient languages describe animal forms. It isn't important to the story of Jonah whether it was a whale or a big fish that swallowed him.

[TheAtheistGoatee]

well no i guess it doesnt. but that still isnt the point. whether is was a fish or whale doesnt make the story any more impossible than it already is. but that is still not the point i was making.