It sure is bliss. You must describe it to me, sometime. I've debated so many of you guys. You cut and paste answers from bullshit right-wing news sites. You read passages from books and then claim to have read them. Most of the time, I can google your statements and find that you're just repeating, word for word, what some idiot blogger already has said.
@Salvysahagun I never claimed you did these things, personally. "You", being the legion of happily misinformed right-wing voters, who use politics in a retaliatory fashion, caring very little for what is true and what is not, so long as it serves an emotional function.
LOL! This is where you're getting your bullshit! Schiff is a libertarian shill who'll say anything to advance his anti-tax agenda. Of course, if he wasn't saying exactly what you wanted to hear, you wouldn't believe him.
I did answer your question, I said there is no such thing as pure Laissez Faire, the purest form of any system exists only theoretically. However, deregulation IS a tenet of laissez faire, whether or not it exists in its purest form or not, and free market philosophy causes economic tribulation.
As for government welfare, letting thousands of banks sink is what the government did in 1929. Even milton friedman asserts that the fed could have counteracted the long term effects of the crash.
@Salvysahagun "1929 would have never happened where it not for the Fed."
Seriously, do you have any idea what you're saying? Just saying something isn't proving it. Can you back up any of your claims? I know that you require little, or no, evidence to believe the ridiculous notions you've been fed, but some of us need actual, verifiable data.
If you need me to explain something, or simplify my language, don't be afraid to ask. I've debated republicans before, I can condescend to your level.
I think Americans deserve everything they're getting from their ELECTED officials. You vote for them, you made your bed now lie in it. "Oh but their ads are misleading QQ." Well, why do you think many people all around the world know more about what's happening in American politics than Americans themselves? Because most of them don't give a shit, all they want to do is complain once the deed is done.
Not only this but voter suppression across the country. They really want to make this a totalitarian government. And Democrats are going to let them because they're bought as well.
Excellent item Cenk, finally REAL NEWS (or opiniations or whatever you call it). THIS IS WHAT JOURNALISM IS ABOUT: It's informing the people of what's REALLY going on in the world.
Pure pieces of shit Republicans. Thats why usa is fucked. Republicans are Republicans first and american second. And its all your fault you brainwashed dumb yanks. You did a great job Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh and associated turds.
And u dumbasses thinking this is all some Liberal slant or propaganda...FUCK U and your retard brains.
This is a sign that we need President Sarah Palin. She will completely root out and purge the corruption in our govt and purify it, making it completely serve the people! Palin is a TRUE champion of the people and she will bring harmony and balance to this world!
@whatdoyouwantandwhy I said the LAST time they took over. There have been cycles. The accumulation of wealth at the top few people is greater that it has been for the last few decades.
The world HAS been worse than even Hitler in the past.
I didn't say the ONLY time corporate propaganda was allowed to take over a democracy, I said the LAST time, Hitler came to power.
Democrats do the same thing. Its just not laid out the same way. Wake up America, dead people vote for the winners, money is bought by tax revenue before its ever collected, and much, much more. You are adults, don't ask what to do, do something!
Campaign Finance Reform is the most important issue facing us today.
Has anyone else read Wealth of Nations? Adam Smith thought that a Republic COULD NOT FUNCTION as a Capitalist society because representatives could be bought off by business interests, and that would be unworkable as a government and an economic system. Granting corporations the status that we have today has ruined the fundamentals of capitalism. We have to stop this, and we can't until Thomas and Scalia are out.
@Salvysahagun Interesting quote, but given the situation today it appears to me that the super wealthy are getting all the breaks at the expense of the middle class... reverse socialism in effect (or to put it bluntly, fascism) I think that quote can equally be applied to that. And what do you mean by 'socialist'? surely by their very nature in what they do, all politicians are socialist to some extent. If they vote on a spending bill that allocates taxation, thats socialism etc etc
@Salvysahagun What 90% income tax rate? It hasn't been that high since before Kennedy reduced it to 70%, Reagan halved that to 35%, and now it's more like 15% for many of the wealthiest americans. By your logic, there should be no revenue problem, yet there is. Are all of your ideas this good?
@Salvysahagun You say that because that's what you've heard. You can't show it, because you're wrong. If that matters to you. The debt that accrued in just a few years on the derivatives market was so massive, it was double the amount of money that existed in the entire world. THAT is the key to the economic collapse.
Also, what does the 4th amendment(protection from illegal search and seizure)have to do with income taxes?
@Salvysahagun I see, we don't need the income tax. You, me, and especially the millionaires and billionaires, need the local and federal government to keep the nation running so that people can make their livings. The government finances, through our taxes, the police, the fire department, the army, protective organizations to insure our water is clean and our food is not filled with deadly toxins. Medicare, which 70% of the country supports. Are you suggesting anarchy works better?
Its very clear in our constitutions and writing of our founders that the Federal Governments only objectives are National Defense, Currency, among others is that responsibility. Education, Fire, Police are state rights.
Sweden runs their Education and Healthcare on a county by county basis.
@Salvysahagun That is vaguely true however, because according to the constitution, there could be further amendments added to it as well...
This being said, using the original copy is quite pointless since it doesn't include the amendments that were added on in later periods. You also have to take into consideration the fact that the 1700s were a different time then today...
@Salvysahagun Yeah, its old, and in many instances it is fucking retarded. Like the gun laws, etc.
Shit works, or does not. De regulation of wall street obviously does NOT work. State control of education does NOT work. Gun amendments are retarded and antiquated from the time of cowboys and indians or the mayflower, health care run by your private insurance companies is a pure piece of shit method. Tax breaks for rich is fucking retarded, no taxes is stupid. Republicans are dumb cunts.
@Salvysahagun That mentality is old and antiquated specially for a stable democracy. Most stable world democratic countries have less gun crime bc they are not retarded cowboys with the right to bear M16s. Its actually a throw back to colonial times and fear by white peeps of indians, then african americans. Even a little common sense control like no fucking automatic M16's or no guns for retards or background checks has been vehemently oppose by the retards and the nra or gun lobby.
@Salvysahagun Yeah, the dumb hicks with modified illegal AK's sure cared about tyrannical Bush government. They did not make a peep. Besides, that is a constant retard argument that they used to justify the right to be an ahole since most gun owners dont really give a shit about anything but the right to substitute a gun for their cocks while there is a gun crime epidemic and even common sense controls are stop at every point by a rich powerful gun lobby.
@Salvysahagun the government does not issue ak's to the police department... sorry bud they use an under powered ar 15 and in swat situations they use a hilariously out dated mp-5... all of which you can purchase....
@Salvysahagun only if you have commited a crime... and the national guard doesn't carry ak's either... they are issued standard m-16's... again you are able to purchase a weapon like that in specific states... paranoid much?
@Salvysahagun what about england... you can't even own a fire arm in the city... and hand guns are illegal.... don't worry nobody is trying to take your gun... seriously!!!!! even if they become illegal which they won't its not like guns just go away... in fact it is easier to obtain a fire arm illegally than legally. not that its right... and man you have to work on your context because none of those leaders would ever have a chance for power in the us especially in an age of information!
@Salvysahagun Yeah and it isn't bullshit... The founders made it vague knowing that times will change, and the country will have to adapt to those changes... Slavery was the most obvious example during that time.
@whatdoyouwantandwhy That dumb cunt is wrong on everything( U reading this dumb cunt @Salvysahagun ?) . Both Canada and Sweeden have strongly control health care by their federal governments. Government funded(taxes,gdp) and monitored by a Ministry of Health that makes sure there are guidelines on quality free care that are met. The government monitors an evaluates that its criteria are met. Thats why Canada,Sweeden, European countries have better health care for all and not just wealthy.
@Salvysahagun I' m Canadian & have researched world health care systems from Cuba to iraq. Sweeden like Canada is top down guided. Yes, counties have say like provinces in canada. But the government's Ministries of Health establishes the national criteria and then supervises routinely that its guidelines are being met on good, fast, quality free care at the regional level. Yes, counties then run it, but they have a national gov. criteria to follow. And its pay by taxes.
@Salvysahagun Sweeden only has 10 million peeps who are smart on overall basic education. Voucher systems are present but bc of the overall great level of primary education and overall good quality of both private and public schools with mandatory requirements u don't have the same voucher fuckups as in the usa where poor parents prey to get voucher lotteries so their kids can read above retard level. And the choice pertains to differences in vocation mostly, not if u going to read or not read.
@Salvysahagun that is the funniest thing i have ever heard.... if you have ever read a history book you would know that the federal government has been involved in schools since the beginning of the 19th century... i would think your tea party marionettes would tell you something like that.... i love how every statement you have made is sooooo hilariously false!!!!
@Salvysahagun that were funded by grant from the federal government..... man you like to leave things out of the historical record to further your point... you sound like a half retarded glenn beck!
@Salvysahagun research the land ordinance of 1785 and the northwest ordinance of 1787 granting moneys for a national school system. and as a teabagger i would have thought you would have read artical 1 section 8 of the constitution.under the general welfare clause... do some research before you open your mouth!
That facts are their. Education go worse the day the DOE was founded. Federal Government can give grants to schools but to control them will destroy performance.
@Salvysahagun they're implied powers! and federal control doesn't destroy the educational system it standardizes it! it is a defense against districts that might teach unfounded concepts such as creationism... and again im not sure you ever went to school!
Actually quantom physics proves thoughts control the universe. thus creationism.
If I don't want my kid to learn from a bad school. I should be able to take the money attached to him and got to a different one. Thats how every other country does it.
@Salvysahagun well quantom physics is a theory and can not be proven. nothing in science can be completely proven.and thoughts/energy controlling the universe in no way proves creationism... thats one of the funniest things i have heard in my whole life.... creationism is a joke with no scientific basis....and you can do that in this country... if you choose to go to a private school you ge grants and tax write offs... you have no arguments yet you still keep trucking!!! nice job moron!
@Salvysahagun obviously you don't know what research is... i live in ohio and went to a private school... the tax write offs offset the price of the education. you're so fucking dumb.....hahah making shit up! thats what you've been doing this whole time!!!! that is not a fact haha! you obviously do not know what science is... nothing in science can be proven. only theory's! sorry buddy your arguments are so funny i feel sorry for you! you obviously have never been to an entry level science class
I at least admit my english is the product of a shitty public school education.
You should do your research. Ohio and Wisconsin are the ONLY two states in the country that provide vouchers and tax cuts for attending private school.
@Salvysahagun That's because it's a myth that private schools provide a better education. Kind of like tax cuts generating more income. You hear these claims from the same kinds of people you vote for. Liars.
@Salvysahagun World scale? The world doesn't have the same type of government as the U.S, so to say that is rather pointless. Second even if we do go by your point, most tyrannical governments are/were funded by right-wing paramilitary movements in order to protect U.S/european investments....
Going back to the U.S, most tyranny has come from a local or regional (state) stronghold.
@Salvysahagun P.S, that shit would never work in the usa bc u would have some dumbass states stressing their monkeys be taught adam and even, others to take it out, other dumb states like Texas rewriting their history books for propaganda, some good schools in NY and those were students cant even read like in Detroit, etc. And in sweeden, wether poor or rich, u can go to its good schools/trade schools/universities without debt or having a privilege upbringing.
@Salvysahagun Canada does not have states. It has 10 provinces.The government strongly overseas the standards and practices of health care. Its not like your states where is there is wide difference on whole shit load of things. It has strong criterias on accessible, quality, FREE care that have to be met. There is flexibility BUT government federal conditions must be met. If they dont follow them they dont get funded and it is checked yearly by the minister of health.
@Salvysahagun The problem arose when Bush, in 2005, gutted the CRA, allowing banks to give huge loans to people with little or no collateral, which they'd been prevented from doing. Within 3 years, the derivatives market went from being worth a few hundred billion$, a stable level, to 67 TRILLION! Twice as much money that existed in the WHOLE WORLD. That's what deregulation does, and that's why voters who don't know what they are talking about, such as yourself, are ruining democracy.
@Salvysahagun Didn't vote for clinton. Never liked him.
Pardon me, if you accidentally learn something.
The Commodity Futures Modernization Act, drafted by economic terrorist Phil Gramm(R), deregulated the derivatives market almost entirely. He slid it discretely at the last minute into HR 4577 in 2000, and was passed virtually unread, possibly because there was only 5 minutes to read the 10,000+ page report it was summarized in. This bill would lead to the Enron scandal, then the collapse.
You are totally clueless on the ramifications of your ideas... If we didn't have the FDIC in the first place the recession we experienced would have been far worst. It is because of the FDIC that we still have our own accounts.
The derivatives that you are speaking about can be created with any market, and the ones that tanked the economy in '08 were derivatives on mortgage loans and pensions... NOT FDIC
If the richest people don't go to School in America, don't use any of the infrastructure of this country, don't used any of the security provided by the Army and Police force, build the factory and machines withe their bare hand, didn't need any subsidies or worker who did the work,...You have a point,
if not, pay your fair share and don't try to imply that you are the only person who understood the 4th amendment.
The growth of your income and net worth doesn't mean anything to the Gov., if you are screwing others and they are loosing billions.
The budget cant be balanced if you just cut spending. The rich have to pay their part. But taxes are not the only problem, we need real regulation and accountability. And with bought politician we wont get it.
sorry, you should stop living in the past or your dreams. I agree their are areas where the fed Gov has overstepped but there are also areas where the fed Gov. should do more. Easy answers like 10 % for Fed. Gov is enough, wont help. You have to look issue by issue and look at the reality. e.g. you cant regulate the financial system state by state
And btw If you get rid of one big Fed agency and create 50 state agencies, each with its one bureaucracy, how is this more efficient?
@Salvysahagun I think u are mentally ill, retarded, or brainwashed. Pretty much everything u say might sound sweet and nice on the surface from a Republican Conservative point of view. But that view has been corrupted by Republicans. The constitution is not some fucking tablet brought down from heaven by moses. It can, and must be changed when shit dont work. Thats where amendments come from.
@Salvysahagun Yes,but at this moment in American history for the last 10 years... Republicans have brainwashed a population for personal power with the help of 1 tv channel, a few retarded radio heads, and some pure lying pieces of shit Republican leaders. People should be for logic and intelligence..but Republicans call that Liberal bias,lol. But peeps would rather prey no socialist/communist bring health care death panels & steal their freedom fries thanks to republican propaganda.
MSNBC and the TYT seems to be just as stupid as FOX the only difference is that most people agree with them so they don't challenge the legitmacy of their claims.
I'm actually a huge fan of Fox business. Freedom Watch and Stossel are probally the two best overall political shows on the air. I'd trust the Judge before I'd listen to Cenk's Bullshit.
@Salvysahagun Then u are brainwashed and are a huge fan of propaganda since u love Fox.
But I'm sure with your intelligence that u are aware that Fox "News" was started by zillionaire ahole lover Rupert Murdoch( a huge fan of Regan) & huge Republican supporter that started that channel purely as a propaganda machine & brainwashing agent. I'm sure u know their own internal memos indicate propaganda/misinformation as operational procedure as was shown during health care debates and other BS.
@Salvysahagun That does not disprove my point. Some whores go where the $ is. Ann Coulter was first smart cunt to see that shrilling to dumb conservatives would make them bank & screw the stupid who actually believe it.Others like sexual deviat Bill O'reilly think their lying & manipulations are for some misguided patriotic idealism.Others like Glen Beck are retarded jackals that just dont give a shit as long as they get power,wealth, attention that compensates for their micro penises.
@Salvysahagun Fox pays its whores extremely well, and Fox/Murdoch has helped bring down a truly once great country, the USA, more than any war or terrorist with its misinformation,brainwashing & propaganda (which fact is: fox's own internal operational memo's have shown) all for the company's wealth, and political power. Fact is Republicans love being republican more, than the United States of America. I am illuminating your existence, instead of getting defensive u should thank me.
Typical liberal. I don't answer the question I just say something that sounds intelligent and yet completly avoid any relation to the topic. GOOD JOB!!!
@Salvysahagun I answered what u brought up on that whore Stossel who flipped on his beliefs as soon as he wanted a job at fox. I gave u reason why he went to Fox = $ . Gave u logic, reason points,observations, & facts in 2 comments for u. U just failed to understand them or your ego prevents u from being enlightened.
Again u cannot disprove my points. Truth is conservatives/republicans see Logic-Intelligence-Truth as a liberal bias and thats why your once great country is forever ruined.
@Salvysahagun U still never disprove my points & always bring up irrelevancies. I watched Stossel on ABC too. U know how he made his bones? Supposedly exposing lies, the dumbness of people, questioning the media, exposing myths, stupidity etc. That was his game. And then he sells all that out to go work for the the biggest propaganda, bias media, ignorance/stupidity pandering in North America. U see him exposing birther myths, health care propaganda of fox, republican bias of fox?
@Salvysahagun U know why he went to fox? Bc it has become the biggest due to its propaganda and brainwashing of the usa. They pay those fuckers well & he wants Oreilly and Glen Beck money. Thats why u see him supporting even them. U see him exposing the lies that Fox's own memos show how they operate with misinformation or any of the pure stupidity of Beck/O'reilly? He became a fox whore so easily its not even funny. Besides he does not really believe in global warming thats all u need to know.
OK i give up, there is point in discuss if don't understand the simple fundamentals of economics. Please educate yourself, what caused the financial meltdown, learn about derivatives ans CDS.
@larsbergtube I agree. It's supposed to be that if you make more, you pay more of what you earn. If you make 60,000 a year, you pay about 5-7% more in taxes than somebody who makes 30,000, half as much as you. But if you make 60,000,000 a year, 2,000x more than that 30,000 earner, you pay around 12-15% more. If you make 600,000,000$, 20,000x more, it's still just 12-15% more. To people making 30-60 thousand a year, nearly half of us, that money spent on taxes has a real effect on their lives.
@Salvysahagun I love your assumption that the tax break immediately causes the business to grow and pay more in taxes... heres a big secret that will prob blow your mind. Liberals dont want high corporate tax rates - we just want them to pay taxes full stop! Do you know that bank of america paid 0 in taxes last year, and they re not alone, exxon also paid 0, thanks to crazy tax loopholes. how is that raising, or even generating revenue? in the real world your argument falls on its ass.
@Salvysahagun They aren't people, yet receive the same rights as humans?
Not only that, but by participating in the US economy, they would have to abide by the laws of the US, and if the US demands a tax, they should pay that tax. If they don't like it, the can do business else were...
@Salvysahagun Laissez Faire Capitalism DOESN'T WORK. History has shown this, yet it's still republican dogma, and conservative voters repeat it without question. Big business wants deregulation because it legalizes white collar criminality. Besides war, there are no bigger crimes than these, they destroy millions of lives. Not one person has been held legally accountable for collapsing the world economy because the laws they broke were vaporized preemptively. And it's just going to happen again.
Give me one example of Free markets failing and I will show you a government inteverntion in that time frame that proved other wise
" A program whose basis thesis is, not that the system of free enterprise for profit has failed in this generation, but that it has not been tried" - FD Roosevelt.
He did those Keynsian New Deal crap bc he felt their was no other way to save America. But his loyalty was Laissez Faire.
@Salvysahagun Do you even know where that quote comes from? Have you read it? Let me answer for you? NOOO.
He makes it very clear in his speech that the government needs to regulate the market so that monopolies aren't created who will stifle competition. "The enforcement of free competition is the LEAST regulation business can expect."
As for where Laissez Faire has failed, NOW. We deregulated, the crooks had their way, 50 million jobs across the world have been lost.
How can this be laissez Faire when the government garruntees all bank deposits and manipulates the currency with its central bank that has no competition?
@Salvysahagun Where do you think the regulation of markets came from? Centuries of trial and error. Check out what life was like during the first and second industrial revolutions And you would bring it back!
There is a place for republican voters in the scheme of things. After all, the greatest of all factors in deciding human history has been the immense credulity of the masses. How could WW2, feudalism, the crusades and Jersey Shore have happened without your unwitting contributions?
@boomsele so have and in little on no cases was the monarch directly involved in the economy. the monarch really couldnt give a fuck as long as they got their money!
How can this be laissez Faire when the government guarantees all bank deposits and manipulates the currency with its central bank that has no competition?
@Salvysahagun Your point is moot, because pure laissez faire cannot exist. It means separating the government and the economy entirely, which can't be done. I compare it to feudalism because, in one respect, it's the perfect libertarian model, with citizens bilaterally owing fealty to local lords.
It's an awful economic system, however, because with a weak central government, who maintains the unrestricted environment? Who keeps trade from being usurped by the largest entities? Answer ME that?
@Salvysahagun I looked at your profile page and saw some of your comments. I see you enjoy parroting Tea Party propaganda on YouTube. You're not actually learning economics. Not everyone "successful" works (or even thinks) hard. Lots of people who are "successful" inherit their businesses or their fortunes. They then hire other people to run their business or to invest their fortune and take a profit from it for merely owning the assets- or they move it to another more easily exploited country.
I love Bernie Sanders, the dude is awesome, him, Al Franklyn and Weiner are badasses and someone should make a fictionalized action movie based on these guys.
BERNY SANDERS COULD SAVE USA AND BE BETTER THAN ALL THESE ZIONIST OLIGARCHS THAT THE SYSTEM GIVES US. THE ZIONIST ELECTORAL SYSTEM GIVES PEOPLE 2 ZIONIST WARMONGER OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM. WE NEED MORE OPTIONS, NOT JUST 2 POISONS EVERY 4 YEARS !!
It sure is bliss. You must describe it to me, sometime. I've debated so many of you guys. You cut and paste answers from bullshit right-wing news sites. You read passages from books and then claim to have read them. Most of the time, I can google your statements and find that you're just repeating, word for word, what some idiot blogger already has said.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Ok you have officially lost it.
Please give me an example?
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I never claimed you did these things, personally. "You", being the legion of happily misinformed right-wing voters, who use politics in a retaliatory fashion, caring very little for what is true and what is not, so long as it serves an emotional function.
wuezili 9 months ago 3
LOL! This is where you're getting your bullshit! Schiff is a libertarian shill who'll say anything to advance his anti-tax agenda. Of course, if he wasn't saying exactly what you wanted to hear, you wouldn't believe him.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Wow
Stupidity is bliss thats. All I have to say.
you barely even know me and your acting like your my fucking girlfriend.
nice.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
unlimited contributions = UNNNNLLLLIIIIIMMMMMIIIITTTTTEEEEDDD POWER!!!
SirGrodusFTW 9 months ago
Unlimited campaign contributions and unlimited everything else!
canucksfan94 9 months ago
I did answer your question, I said there is no such thing as pure Laissez Faire, the purest form of any system exists only theoretically. However, deregulation IS a tenet of laissez faire, whether or not it exists in its purest form or not, and free market philosophy causes economic tribulation.
As for government welfare, letting thousands of banks sink is what the government did in 1929. Even milton friedman asserts that the fed could have counteracted the long term effects of the crash.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
1929 would have never happened where it not for the Fed.
And you just told me a few comments back that Laissez Faire caused this recession and your wrong.
Good Job!!
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun "1929 would have never happened where it not for the Fed."
Seriously, do you have any idea what you're saying? Just saying something isn't proving it. Can you back up any of your claims? I know that you require little, or no, evidence to believe the ridiculous notions you've been fed, but some of us need actual, verifiable data.
If you need me to explain something, or simplify my language, don't be afraid to ask. I've debated republicans before, I can condescend to your level.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Pick up a copy of "how an economy grows and why it crashed" By Peter Schiff.
Their would be no great depression if the FED didn't put the US economy on steroids (like today) and if the government never passed Smoot-Hawley.
Nice try
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
I think Americans deserve everything they're getting from their ELECTED officials. You vote for them, you made your bed now lie in it. "Oh but their ads are misleading QQ." Well, why do you think many people all around the world know more about what's happening in American politics than Americans themselves? Because most of them don't give a shit, all they want to do is complain once the deed is done.
INatalkaI 9 months ago
damn , they dont even try to hide it , they already know this ignorant consumer culture aint gonna do shit about it
eight18 9 months ago 2
Not only this but voter suppression across the country. They really want to make this a totalitarian government. And Democrats are going to let them because they're bought as well.
djwaglmuffin 9 months ago
Why do they want to destroy America. If American's are all poor except for
the rich, how will we thrive and be top country. We are falling behind
in health care and see more homeless people now more than a third world.
I sometimes wish I was born in another country at times It is so stressful to live
in America and what these rich morons take us down. When do we say enough is
enough.
samkurz 9 months ago
Excellent item Cenk, finally REAL NEWS (or opiniations or whatever you call it). THIS IS WHAT JOURNALISM IS ABOUT: It's informing the people of what's REALLY going on in the world.
SinisterSkip 9 months ago
Even unlimited campaign financing? As if there's not enough corruptions already....
SinisterSkip 9 months ago
I wish Sanders would run for the presidency.
lukegreen37 9 months ago
@com869 who owns youtube?
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
Pure pieces of shit Republicans. Thats why usa is fucked. Republicans are Republicans first and american second. And its all your fault you brainwashed dumb yanks. You did a great job Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh and associated turds.
And u dumbasses thinking this is all some Liberal slant or propaganda...FUCK U and your retard brains.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
GOP = Crime & Deceit Incorporated
sargetech 9 months ago
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ecwaufisxtreme 9 months ago
@ecwaufisxtreme I heard that Palin and Santa Claus are going to be an unstoppable ticket in 2012!
wuezili 9 months ago
The last time corporate propaganda was allowed to take over a democracy, Hitler came to power.
TheNavigateur 9 months ago
@TheNavigateur False... Corporations have always been in power since the Gilded age.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
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@whatdoyouwantandwhy I said the LAST time they took over. There have been cycles. The accumulation of wealth at the top few people is greater that it has been for the last few decades.
The world HAS been worse than even Hitler in the past.
I didn't say the ONLY time corporate propaganda was allowed to take over a democracy, I said the LAST time, Hitler came to power.
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envanje 9 months ago
Democrats do the same thing. Its just not laid out the same way. Wake up America, dead people vote for the winners, money is bought by tax revenue before its ever collected, and much, much more. You are adults, don't ask what to do, do something!
cilcannonvryce 9 months ago
The Independent humans in this country need to STOP the bad power in Washington and make a better effort at opening peoples eyes to the truth.
Almost 100% of the REPUBLICAN Party is bought by big corporations and a good portion of DEMOCRATES are too.
Vote for "GOOD" people !!!
Not a terrible party !!!
Les xo
lapdanceles 9 months ago
@lapdanceles Democrates was a philosopher.
TheFunkadelicFan 9 months ago
Campaign Finance Reform is the most important issue facing us today.
Has anyone else read Wealth of Nations? Adam Smith thought that a Republic COULD NOT FUNCTION as a Capitalist society because representatives could be bought off by business interests, and that would be unworkable as a government and an economic system. Granting corporations the status that we have today has ruined the fundamentals of capitalism. We have to stop this, and we can't until Thomas and Scalia are out.
dEdGrimley 9 months ago 2
I'd vote for Bernie
615Deathdealer 9 months ago
BERNIEE!
rawrisluv 9 months ago
Cenk your makeup artists powder you way too white, tell them to match your olive complexion a little better.
greenjeffy 9 months ago
wheres the michael steele interview????
TheBeauYo 9 months ago
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whynotsocialism 9 months ago
I love my Senator. Vermont Rules.
whynotsocialism 9 months ago
@whynotsocialism Your lucky I live under Ron fucking Paul
615Deathdealer 9 months ago
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lolz you filthy liberal scum pukes better watch out or we're gonna make your pathetic leftwing existence unconstitutional too
YEAH!
frictionRx9 9 months ago
@frictionRx9 Quit trolling
615Deathdealer 9 months ago
I LOVE BERNIE SANDERS AND CENK
pulpsatire 9 months ago
#POW
cabokevin 9 months ago
where are you bat man
browngom 9 months ago
Saunders,
The USA Government was made to represent rich white men...
FYI
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
BAM!!! direct
orchoose 9 months ago
For the American people to elect a socialist in to any political office just shows how far we've drifted from our founders ideals
"The Democracy will cease to exist when you take from those who will work and give to those who will not"
Thomas Jefferson
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Interesting quote, but given the situation today it appears to me that the super wealthy are getting all the breaks at the expense of the middle class... reverse socialism in effect (or to put it bluntly, fascism) I think that quote can equally be applied to that. And what do you mean by 'socialist'? surely by their very nature in what they do, all politicians are socialist to some extent. If they vote on a spending bill that allocates taxation, thats socialism etc etc
dagorian86 9 months ago
@dagorian86
The income tax is a violation of the 4th amendment.
but are you aware 60% of the 400 richest Americans are self made?
oh and liberals complain that rich are getting richer bc of tax breaks.
Well isn't that the point? If my income isn't growing at a 90% income tax and I make 1,000,000 a year. then that makes the GOV 900,000? right
Well after 30 years of tax cuts my net worth is now 50,000,000 at 35% which makes about 17.5 million for the GOV.
So lowering my taxes raised revenue.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun What 90% income tax rate? It hasn't been that high since before Kennedy reduced it to 70%, Reagan halved that to 35%, and now it's more like 15% for many of the wealthiest americans. By your logic, there should be no revenue problem, yet there is. Are all of your ideas this good?
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Its a spending problem not a revenue one.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun You say that because that's what you've heard. You can't show it, because you're wrong. If that matters to you. The debt that accrued in just a few years on the derivatives market was so massive, it was double the amount of money that existed in the entire world. THAT is the key to the economic collapse.
Also, what does the 4th amendment(protection from illegal search and seizure)have to do with income taxes?
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Your income is your property.
and a tax is a seizure.
And who subsidized those direvitives?
The government.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I see, we don't need the income tax. You, me, and especially the millionaires and billionaires, need the local and federal government to keep the nation running so that people can make their livings. The government finances, through our taxes, the police, the fire department, the army, protective organizations to insure our water is clean and our food is not filled with deadly toxins. Medicare, which 70% of the country supports. Are you suggesting anarchy works better?
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Its very clear in our constitutions and writing of our founders that the Federal Governments only objectives are National Defense, Currency, among others is that responsibility. Education, Fire, Police are state rights.
Sweden runs their Education and Healthcare on a county by county basis.
Canadas health care is done state by state.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun That is vaguely true however, because according to the constitution, there could be further amendments added to it as well...
This being said, using the original copy is quite pointless since it doesn't include the amendments that were added on in later periods. You also have to take into consideration the fact that the 1700s were a different time then today...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
Typical liberal response to why americans are justified in violating the constitution. Its too old.
Bullshit it is a standard format for government that can be implemented in any time frame because its so vague.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Yeah, its old, and in many instances it is fucking retarded. Like the gun laws, etc.
Shit works, or does not. De regulation of wall street obviously does NOT work. State control of education does NOT work. Gun amendments are retarded and antiquated from the time of cowboys and indians or the mayflower, health care run by your private insurance companies is a pure piece of shit method. Tax breaks for rich is fucking retarded, no taxes is stupid. Republicans are dumb cunts.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
The whole point of the right to bear arms is to overthrow the government if need be.
Look at modern history. every leader that advocated for gun control became a pysco dictator.
Hitler, Kim Jong, Chavez etc.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun That mentality is old and antiquated specially for a stable democracy. Most stable world democratic countries have less gun crime bc they are not retarded cowboys with the right to bear M16s. Its actually a throw back to colonial times and fear by white peeps of indians, then african americans. Even a little common sense control like no fucking automatic M16's or no guns for retards or background checks has been vehemently oppose by the retards and the nra or gun lobby.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
But when tyranical government is at you doorstep.
and your police have AK's and all your allowed to have are we lil pistols, What would you do to gain freedom?
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Yeah, the dumb hicks with modified illegal AK's sure cared about tyrannical Bush government. They did not make a peep. Besides, that is a constant retard argument that they used to justify the right to be an ahole since most gun owners dont really give a shit about anything but the right to substitute a gun for their cocks while there is a gun crime epidemic and even common sense controls are stop at every point by a rich powerful gun lobby.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun the government does not issue ak's to the police department... sorry bud they use an under powered ar 15 and in swat situations they use a hilariously out dated mp-5... all of which you can purchase....
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
No but they can send the national guard to your property and raid your house.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun only if you have commited a crime... and the national guard doesn't carry ak's either... they are issued standard m-16's... again you are able to purchase a weapon like that in specific states... paranoid much?
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
Hitler, Castro, Mao, Kim, Chavez = First major task as leader was gun control.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun what about england... you can't even own a fire arm in the city... and hand guns are illegal.... don't worry nobody is trying to take your gun... seriously!!!!! even if they become illegal which they won't its not like guns just go away... in fact it is easier to obtain a fire arm illegally than legally. not that its right... and man you have to work on your context because none of those leaders would ever have a chance for power in the us especially in an age of information!
boomsele 9 months ago
Wall Street was never deregulated it was subsidized that was the problem.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Yeah and it isn't bullshit... The founders made it vague knowing that times will change, and the country will have to adapt to those changes... Slavery was the most obvious example during that time.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy That dumb cunt is wrong on everything( U reading this dumb cunt @Salvysahagun ?) . Both Canada and Sweeden have strongly control health care by their federal governments. Government funded(taxes,gdp) and monitored by a Ministry of Health that makes sure there are guidelines on quality free care that are met. The government monitors an evaluates that its criteria are met. Thats why Canada,Sweeden, European countries have better health care for all and not just wealthy.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
Wrong I have a friends in sweden and canada.
My friend in Sweden gets to choose what School his children go to with the voucher system.
Do your research the counties and municipalities run healthcare and education sweden its common knowledge look it up.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I' m Canadian & have researched world health care systems from Cuba to iraq. Sweeden like Canada is top down guided. Yes, counties have say like provinces in canada. But the government's Ministries of Health establishes the national criteria and then supervises routinely that its guidelines are being met on good, fast, quality free care at the regional level. Yes, counties then run it, but they have a national gov. criteria to follow. And its pay by taxes.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Sweeden only has 10 million peeps who are smart on overall basic education. Voucher systems are present but bc of the overall great level of primary education and overall good quality of both private and public schools with mandatory requirements u don't have the same voucher fuckups as in the usa where poor parents prey to get voucher lotteries so their kids can read above retard level. And the choice pertains to differences in vocation mostly, not if u going to read or not read.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
Thats why Americans need to rely on local communties to provide the vouchers.
Remember the Federal Government had no involvement in public education until 1979 and thats when shit went south.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun that is the funniest thing i have ever heard.... if you have ever read a history book you would know that the federal government has been involved in schools since the beginning of the 19th century... i would think your tea party marionettes would tell you something like that.... i love how every statement you have made is sooooo hilariously false!!!!
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
If you ever read a history book youd realize that school houses in the 19th century where started by the towns people not the federal government.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun that were funded by grant from the federal government..... man you like to leave things out of the historical record to further your point... you sound like a half retarded glenn beck!
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
Do you have proof of that?
Even if Their was no Federal Control.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun research the land ordinance of 1785 and the northwest ordinance of 1787 granting moneys for a national school system. and as a teabagger i would have thought you would have read artical 1 section 8 of the constitution.under the general welfare clause... do some research before you open your mouth!
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
Yet it does not mention education.
That facts are their. Education go worse the day the DOE was founded. Federal Government can give grants to schools but to control them will destroy performance.
You cannot refute that.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun they're implied powers! and federal control doesn't destroy the educational system it standardizes it! it is a defense against districts that might teach unfounded concepts such as creationism... and again im not sure you ever went to school!
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
Actually quantom physics proves thoughts control the universe. thus creationism.
If I don't want my kid to learn from a bad school. I should be able to take the money attached to him and got to a different one. Thats how every other country does it.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun well quantom physics is a theory and can not be proven. nothing in science can be completely proven.and thoughts/energy controlling the universe in no way proves creationism... thats one of the funniest things i have heard in my whole life.... creationism is a joke with no scientific basis....and you can do that in this country... if you choose to go to a private school you ge grants and tax write offs... you have no arguments yet you still keep trucking!!! nice job moron!
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
Your kidding right.
The Universe began with a thought and thoughts are what create things.
thats a fact.
Stop making shit up.
99.999999999% positive no state especially washington state will pay for private education in the k-12 sector.
nice try.
Maybe you should try going to school!
Look up Stossels Education special on ABC (liberal network) and that will be made clear to you.
Most of you idiots think vouchers are a scam.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun obviously you don't know what research is... i live in ohio and went to a private school... the tax write offs offset the price of the education. you're so fucking dumb.....hahah making shit up! thats what you've been doing this whole time!!!! that is not a fact haha! you obviously do not know what science is... nothing in science can be proven. only theory's! sorry buddy your arguments are so funny i feel sorry for you! you obviously have never been to an entry level science class
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
Wow.
No way you went to private school.
Not with that grammar.
I at least admit my english is the product of a shitty public school education.
You should do your research. Ohio and Wisconsin are the ONLY two states in the country that provide vouchers and tax cuts for attending private school.
Looks like your the mis informed one... dumbass
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
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boomsele 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun That's because it's a myth that private schools provide a better education. Kind of like tax cuts generating more income. You hear these claims from the same kinds of people you vote for. Liars.
wuezili 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun and wait who said i was a liberal? did you just assume that?
boomsele 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun School houses also gave little to no education...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun You must of missed the 1940's when "BIG SCARY GOVERNMENT" started the GI Bill....
Or when public education started during the mid guild age...
Oh and word to mouth... Most of the tyrannical governments in America have been state and local governments...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
And guess what on the World scale its national.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun World scale? The world doesn't have the same type of government as the U.S, so to say that is rather pointless. Second even if we do go by your point, most tyrannical governments are/were funded by right-wing paramilitary movements in order to protect U.S/european investments....
Going back to the U.S, most tyranny has come from a local or regional (state) stronghold.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
That doesn't matter when 90% of all laws passed through congress have no constitutional justification.
Obamacare per se
Thats the importance of dividing power if one crazy man comes to power its easier to over throw them.
Don't tell me you support world government?
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun P.S, that shit would never work in the usa bc u would have some dumbass states stressing their monkeys be taught adam and even, others to take it out, other dumb states like Texas rewriting their history books for propaganda, some good schools in NY and those were students cant even read like in Detroit, etc. And in sweeden, wether poor or rich, u can go to its good schools/trade schools/universities without debt or having a privilege upbringing.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Canada does not have states. It has 10 provinces.The government strongly overseas the standards and practices of health care. Its not like your states where is there is wide difference on whole shit load of things. It has strong criterias on accessible, quality, FREE care that have to be met. There is flexibility BUT government federal conditions must be met. If they dont follow them they dont get funded and it is checked yearly by the minister of health.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
Just like the constitution
All the Federal Government does is set the standard and the province or state handles the rest
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun The problem arose when Bush, in 2005, gutted the CRA, allowing banks to give huge loans to people with little or no collateral, which they'd been prevented from doing. Within 3 years, the derivatives market went from being worth a few hundred billion$, a stable level, to 67 TRILLION! Twice as much money that existed in the WHOLE WORLD. That's what deregulation does, and that's why voters who don't know what they are talking about, such as yourself, are ruining democracy.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Just so you know Clinton "your liberal Hero" was the one who began the massive CRA loans
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Didn't vote for clinton. Never liked him.
Pardon me, if you accidentally learn something.
The Commodity Futures Modernization Act, drafted by economic terrorist Phil Gramm(R), deregulated the derivatives market almost entirely. He slid it discretely at the last minute into HR 4577 in 2000, and was passed virtually unread, possibly because there was only 5 minutes to read the 10,000+ page report it was summarized in. This bill would lead to the Enron scandal, then the collapse.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Congress should be forced to read every bill they pass.
however if we let derivatives free then people will see they are a bad investment and not buy them anymore.
but when you bail them out that changes everything
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun and that's where regulations come in... check and mate!
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
If your refering to Glass Steagal you have to understand they only deruglated half of it.
FDIC should have been abolished.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Yeah HALF deregulated... We need to fully regulate the system.
Do you know what the FDIC is?
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
FDIC insures deposits.
Thats the problem thats what created direvitives. banks loan out because they are garunteed and will take more risk.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun
You are totally clueless on the ramifications of your ideas... If we didn't have the FDIC in the first place the recession we experienced would have been far worst. It is because of the FDIC that we still have our own accounts.
The derivatives that you are speaking about can be created with any market, and the ones that tanked the economy in '08 were derivatives on mortgage loans and pensions... NOT FDIC
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
So how come when we stopped regulating what deposits where garunteed the economy crashed.
Deregulate completly or not at all.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun You don't even make logical sense now...
Please take your lithium thank you :)
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
Your dumb one you can't even identify Glass-Steagal unless I say it directly
Garunteed deposits must be regulated because your gunna take bigger risk. You have nothing to loose your insured.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun
LOL, LOL and again LOL.
If the richest people don't go to School in America, don't use any of the infrastructure of this country, don't used any of the security provided by the Army and Police force, build the factory and machines withe their bare hand, didn't need any subsidies or worker who did the work,...You have a point,
if not, pay your fair share and don't try to imply that you are the only person who understood the 4th amendment.
larsbergtube 9 months ago
@larsbergtube
If we gave more power to the states and counties the federal gov wouldn't need those huge taxes.
For christ sakes 10% is enough for the church, that should be plenty for the IRS
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
The growth of your income and net worth doesn't mean anything to the Gov., if you are screwing others and they are loosing billions.
The budget cant be balanced if you just cut spending. The rich have to pay their part. But taxes are not the only problem, we need real regulation and accountability. And with bought politician we wont get it.
larsbergtube 9 months ago
@larsbergtube
Regulation?
wow you should really look into some econ.
The problem is the Federal Government has to much power.
The states and local communities should be what manage education, police, roads and what not.
The Federal Government has gone to far.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun
sorry, you should stop living in the past or your dreams. I agree their are areas where the fed Gov has overstepped but there are also areas where the fed Gov. should do more. Easy answers like 10 % for Fed. Gov is enough, wont help. You have to look issue by issue and look at the reality. e.g. you cant regulate the financial system state by state
And btw If you get rid of one big Fed agency and create 50 state agencies, each with its one bureaucracy, how is this more efficient?
larsbergtube 9 months ago
@larsbergtube
Because each small agency is managing a small amount of people not 300,000,000.
When American educations was in its prime the Federal GOV. had no say in how it was ran or managed.
Department of Education and you know the rest.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@larsbergtube
The financial system shouldn't be regulated thats what caused these problems.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I think u are mentally ill, retarded, or brainwashed. Pretty much everything u say might sound sweet and nice on the surface from a Republican Conservative point of view. But that view has been corrupted by Republicans. The constitution is not some fucking tablet brought down from heaven by moses. It can, and must be changed when shit dont work. Thats where amendments come from.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
Both Spectrums of American politics are pure hypocracys.
Democrats
- Freedom in the personal affairs, Strict supervision in Economics
Republicans
-Strict Supervision in Personal affairs, Freedom in economics.
both are complete hypocrites. Your either for Freedom or against it. Nothing in the middle.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Yes,but at this moment in American history for the last 10 years... Republicans have brainwashed a population for personal power with the help of 1 tv channel, a few retarded radio heads, and some pure lying pieces of shit Republican leaders. People should be for logic and intelligence..but Republicans call that Liberal bias,lol. But peeps would rather prey no socialist/communist bring health care death panels & steal their freedom fries thanks to republican propaganda.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
idk.
MSNBC and the TYT seems to be just as stupid as FOX the only difference is that most people agree with them so they don't challenge the legitmacy of their claims.
I'm actually a huge fan of Fox business. Freedom Watch and Stossel are probally the two best overall political shows on the air. I'd trust the Judge before I'd listen to Cenk's Bullshit.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Then u are brainwashed and are a huge fan of propaganda since u love Fox.
But I'm sure with your intelligence that u are aware that Fox "News" was started by zillionaire ahole lover Rupert Murdoch( a huge fan of Regan) & huge Republican supporter that started that channel purely as a propaganda machine & brainwashing agent. I'm sure u know their own internal memos indicate propaganda/misinformation as operational procedure as was shown during health care debates and other BS.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
You know Stossel was with ABC for 20 years before he moved to FOX Business
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun That does not disprove my point. Some whores go where the $ is. Ann Coulter was first smart cunt to see that shrilling to dumb conservatives would make them bank & screw the stupid who actually believe it.Others like sexual deviat Bill O'reilly think their lying & manipulations are for some misguided patriotic idealism.Others like Glen Beck are retarded jackals that just dont give a shit as long as they get power,wealth, attention that compensates for their micro penises.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Fox pays its whores extremely well, and Fox/Murdoch has helped bring down a truly once great country, the USA, more than any war or terrorist with its misinformation,brainwashing & propaganda (which fact is: fox's own internal operational memo's have shown) all for the company's wealth, and political power. Fact is Republicans love being republican more, than the United States of America. I am illuminating your existence, instead of getting defensive u should thank me.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
Typical liberal. I don't answer the question I just say something that sounds intelligent and yet completly avoid any relation to the topic. GOOD JOB!!!
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I answered what u brought up on that whore Stossel who flipped on his beliefs as soon as he wanted a job at fox. I gave u reason why he went to Fox = $ . Gave u logic, reason points,observations, & facts in 2 comments for u. U just failed to understand them or your ego prevents u from being enlightened.
Again u cannot disprove my points. Truth is conservatives/republicans see Logic-Intelligence-Truth as a liberal bias and thats why your once great country is forever ruined.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
I've been following Stossel since his days on ABC.
He's always been a libertarian. Nice try thou.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun U still never disprove my points & always bring up irrelevancies. I watched Stossel on ABC too. U know how he made his bones? Supposedly exposing lies, the dumbness of people, questioning the media, exposing myths, stupidity etc. That was his game. And then he sells all that out to go work for the the biggest propaganda, bias media, ignorance/stupidity pandering in North America. U see him exposing birther myths, health care propaganda of fox, republican bias of fox?
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun U know why he went to fox? Bc it has become the biggest due to its propaganda and brainwashing of the usa. They pay those fuckers well & he wants Oreilly and Glen Beck money. Thats why u see him supporting even them. U see him exposing the lies that Fox's own memos show how they operate with misinformation or any of the pure stupidity of Beck/O'reilly? He became a fox whore so easily its not even funny. Besides he does not really believe in global warming thats all u need to know.
spaniardmale77 9 months ago
@spaniardmale77
You realize he could have easily been paid more with ABC?
He went to Fox so he could talk about what he wanted to talk about.
Did you see his Healthcare special?
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Yeah, the fact that it wasn't regulated did cause the system crash... Now where getting somewhere with you yay =)
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun
OK i give up, there is point in discuss if don't understand the simple fundamentals of economics. Please educate yourself, what caused the financial meltdown, learn about derivatives ans CDS.
larsbergtube 9 months ago
@larsbergtube
Pleas read Peter Schiffs book
"How an economy grows and Why it crashes."
then your pewee lil IQ will quadrople.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@larsbergtube I agree. It's supposed to be that if you make more, you pay more of what you earn. If you make 60,000 a year, you pay about 5-7% more in taxes than somebody who makes 30,000, half as much as you. But if you make 60,000,000 a year, 2,000x more than that 30,000 earner, you pay around 12-15% more. If you make 600,000,000$, 20,000x more, it's still just 12-15% more. To people making 30-60 thousand a year, nearly half of us, that money spent on taxes has a real effect on their lives.
wuezili 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I love your assumption that the tax break immediately causes the business to grow and pay more in taxes... heres a big secret that will prob blow your mind. Liberals dont want high corporate tax rates - we just want them to pay taxes full stop! Do you know that bank of america paid 0 in taxes last year, and they re not alone, exxon also paid 0, thanks to crazy tax loopholes. how is that raising, or even generating revenue? in the real world your argument falls on its ass.
dagorian86 9 months ago 2
@dagorian86
Why should a corp. pay taxes?
they are not people.
That income will just go tot the business owners.
Warren Buffet forgot to mention his Corperate tax in example with his secratary
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun They aren't people, yet receive the same rights as humans?
Not only that, but by participating in the US economy, they would have to abide by the laws of the US, and if the US demands a tax, they should pay that tax. If they don't like it, the can do business else were...
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@whatdoyouwantandwhy
Yes laws like no stealing or murder.
not laws such your can't sell this product to this kind of insdustry type of regulations.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Laissez Faire Capitalism DOESN'T WORK. History has shown this, yet it's still republican dogma, and conservative voters repeat it without question. Big business wants deregulation because it legalizes white collar criminality. Besides war, there are no bigger crimes than these, they destroy millions of lives. Not one person has been held legally accountable for collapsing the world economy because the laws they broke were vaporized preemptively. And it's just going to happen again.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Give me one example of Free markets failing and I will show you a government inteverntion in that time frame that proved other wise
" A program whose basis thesis is, not that the system of free enterprise for profit has failed in this generation, but that it has not been tried" - FD Roosevelt.
He did those Keynsian New Deal crap bc he felt their was no other way to save America. But his loyalty was Laissez Faire.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Do you even know where that quote comes from? Have you read it? Let me answer for you? NOOO.
He makes it very clear in his speech that the government needs to regulate the market so that monopolies aren't created who will stifle competition. "The enforcement of free competition is the LEAST regulation business can expect."
As for where Laissez Faire has failed, NOW. We deregulated, the crooks had their way, 50 million jobs across the world have been lost.
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
How can this be laissez Faire when the government garruntees all bank deposits and manipulates the currency with its central bank that has no competition?
Please answer that question for me.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Where do you think the regulation of markets came from? Centuries of trial and error. Check out what life was like during the first and second industrial revolutions And you would bring it back!
There is a place for republican voters in the scheme of things. After all, the greatest of all factors in deciding human history has been the immense credulity of the masses. How could WW2, feudalism, the crusades and Jersey Shore have happened without your unwitting contributions?
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Do you know that during fuedalism the monarch had control of the economy?
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun no they didn't it was the lords and earls of the lands that controlled the economy.
boomsele 9 months ago
@boomsele
I've studied medieval history, the lords where in most cases under the direct jurisdiction of the monarch.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@boomsele so have and in little on no cases was the monarch directly involved in the economy. the monarch really couldnt give a fuck as long as they got their money!
boomsele 9 months ago
@wuezili
How can this be laissez Faire when the government guarantees all bank deposits and manipulates the currency with its central bank that has no competition?
You still have not answered that question
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Your point is moot, because pure laissez faire cannot exist. It means separating the government and the economy entirely, which can't be done. I compare it to feudalism because, in one respect, it's the perfect libertarian model, with citizens bilaterally owing fealty to local lords.
It's an awful economic system, however, because with a weak central government, who maintains the unrestricted environment? Who keeps trade from being usurped by the largest entities? Answer ME that?
wuezili 9 months ago
@wuezili
Big corporations are linked to Government welfare.
and
Its up to the people to demand a more environmentally safer products.
That answers that.
You'd didn't answer your own question.
Basically you just admitted your wrong.
Free markets did not cause the recession because their wasn't one.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Actually you are wrong... Ever heard of the commerce clause? Ever heard of a embargo, or duty tax?
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun Actually, corporations ARE people. The 14th amendment granted them legal status as an american citizen.
wuezili 9 months ago
@dagorian86 Well I would actually favor making them pay higher taxes as well... But then again, I'm not a liberal :)
whatdoyouwantandwhy 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun >implying that the rich work and that workers do not work
djancak 9 months ago
@djancak
Everyone successful works hard.
This rich poor ideal is only making americans stupid
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun I looked at your profile page and saw some of your comments. I see you enjoy parroting Tea Party propaganda on YouTube. You're not actually learning economics. Not everyone "successful" works (or even thinks) hard. Lots of people who are "successful" inherit their businesses or their fortunes. They then hire other people to run their business or to invest their fortune and take a profit from it for merely owning the assets- or they move it to another more easily exploited country.
djancak 9 months ago
@djancak
Well if you read all my comments you'd understand that 2/3 of the 400 richest americans are SELFMADE.
Meaning they had no help from their parents.
That is a fact.
Most idiots who just receive or (inherit) money end up spending it all on junk and go broke.
Everyone finicial expert knows wealth is a hard thing to maintain.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
bernie makes me believe!! i wish he could live for hundreds of years hes the voice we need in this world
crayyawn 9 months ago
Cenk your such a dumbass
Everyone knows that both parties are the EXACT SAME!
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
James Bopp Jr. have balls...
logoth80 9 months ago
I think it was the Russian president who about two years ago said that America could be heading against a new civil war.
Graysonisright 9 months ago
I love Bernie Sanders, the dude is awesome, him, Al Franklyn and Weiner are badasses and someone should make a fictionalized action movie based on these guys.
dagrimmreepa 9 months ago
Does Senator Sanders sell fried chicken? oh wait, that's the Colonel XD anyway he kicks ass
etazra78 9 months ago
BERNY SANDERS COULD SAVE USA AND BE BETTER THAN ALL THESE ZIONIST OLIGARCHS THAT THE SYSTEM GIVES US. THE ZIONIST ELECTORAL SYSTEM GIVES PEOPLE 2 ZIONIST WARMONGER OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM. WE NEED MORE OPTIONS, NOT JUST 2 POISONS EVERY 4 YEARS !!
maxistsocialist 9 months ago