A History of Britain (episode6/15, part1/6)

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 The cult of saints contains some 'recycled' pagan deities. Within the RC clergy is a horrible ring of pedophiles. If these truths insult you, you are a better person than they are. I readily admit that I said "whore of Babylon". I take it back and ask you to forgive that. I was incensed by your words: "sects and heresies". That's what ticked me off, as those were the very words preceding the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of human beings.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

As if pedophilia only happened at the Catholic Church; pedophilia is everywhere, including in the Protestant church.Saints are only peopple who defended the Christian faith and are honoured according to their good actions and deeds. Indeed my friend, Protestants killed Catholics and Catholics killed Protestants because of their own intolerance. What the world and especially Christians need is unity and dialogue. Christ would definitely appreciate it and so will both of us eventually.

[CatAtomic99]

Anyone know what the song in the background is? The female vocal I mean?

[Multi0703]

@CK3UT

What does Christ teach us to do when facing such moments of anguish:he says that we should "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".I encourage you to do the same my friend.Look around you and see how much you can do to improve the well being of others and ameliorate the status quo.Never give up on this world, because it is a world in which we are for learning how to evolute and give the best of ourselves.Be well my friend and stay peaceful (the same applies to me)

[Multi0703]

@CK3UT

I agree with you that it is sad that Christians are being targeted and killed in Egypt and Nigeria. However, I do not agree with you that religion is the biggest killer in History. Look what Atheist dictators did to the world during the 20th century in Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Germany, all Easter Europe, Cuba and several other former Communist places in Africa. Religion did not have to do anything with these genocides and that regards to the worst massacres in Human History.

[kiritanJK]

you can find subtitles for this at say2.org I find them very useful for researching.

[shamalama68]

The Protestant Reformation is the best thing that ever happened to England and Europe.

[Multi0703]

@shamalama68

It was actually the worst thing that could happen to all Christendom. Christ wants one Church, not 10 000 sects and heresies.

Long live to the Katholikas tradition

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 Agreed: we should stop straying from Christ's teachings. So why does that harlot of Babylon, the Church of Rome, persist in that blasphemous and pagan cult of Saints? Why does the pope blasphemously persist in calling himself Christ's representative? Why does it don itself with the name "Catholic" when in fact it is an aberration?

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

Yep.... Protestant hatred and ignorance towards Catholicism is still very strong in nowadays. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, Saint Peter's spiritual descendant and the sole leader of Christendom. There is only one true Church,and that is the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

- Saints are not pagan. They were highly devotional Christians who devoted their lives to the Christian faith.Everyone is called to be a saint and devotional in his letter,as Saint Paul says it

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 The word ignorance is an insult that - like a knife - can cut the one who wields it. Are you ignorant of the fact that St Anne of Normandy is a reworked pagan goddess (Âone), that St Barbara is a reworked Caribian god (Xiangru), that Irenaeus' list of popes contains gaping holes in the 'vicariate' (most noteably around Cletus and Anacletus) and that the bishops of Rome did not assume authority over other bishops until the 4th century?

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 Are you ignorant that the first bishop of Riome was not Peter, but a woman (a WOMAN! wherefore exclude them from office now?) called Prisca? See Rom 15, where Paul calls her 'synergetos' = colleague. If spiritual descendence would qualify for overlordship of the church, it would be HER spiritual heirs who ought to hold it. But there is no such thing. The pope was one of FIVE equal metropolitans in Christianity until the early Middle Ages.

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 Only the ascend of Islam send the first three packing, and number five was cursed by the pope (1054) so only one would be left standing - or so he hoped. I do not deny that Christ wants there to be one true church. But I wholeheartedly deny that the Cult of Rome, with its reworked pagan gods, its unreasoned misogyny, its false pretenses, its never atoned for human sacrifices (burning protestant Christians), and its ring of child abusers, is a true church.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

HAHAHA....I think you should reveal your History monsieur and remember about the Protestant Inquistion that took place for four centuries in Britiain under Henry VIII), Ireland,Scotland,Germany,Scand­ivia and Holland before opening your mouth. Pagan? You are being the only pagan here, everytime you compare Christ with your false Protestant theology of prosperity.There's only true Church founded by Jesus Christ and that is the Catholic Church which proclaims firmly the Gospel.

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 Protestant inquisition in Holland? Are you kidding me? Only the open display of RC religion was banned - the Catholic faith itself was allowed to be practiced. The anti-Catholic laws in Britain: I would suggest to you that not having suffrage is not right on par with being burned alive. Protestant theology is about the triangles of Misery, Salvation, and Gratitude/ Prayer, Commandments, and Grace. But never fear: we already knew you were ignorant. As is the Church of Rome.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

No it wasn't. They crushed, burned and destroyed Catholic cathedrals and churches, forcing them to be converted into Calvinist churches, forced Catholics to convert to Calvinism. Protestant Theology is a joke. It was created by four miserable men who were at odds with themselves and aimed at destroy Christendom, whereas Catholicism is rooted in Jesus Christ himself, his apostolic mission on Earth and in Truth, not like Protestant heresies and hatred that only divides people.

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 The Church of England forced people to convert to Calvinism? Lutheran kings of Norway forced people to convert to Calvinism? Seriously, get a clue. And while you are at it: abandon your lack of arguments, which you try to hide behind a barrage of swearwords ('miserable' 'heresy' etc.). Abandon the lies of Rome, and reacquaint yourself with Christ's true teachings. Rome willfully tried to keep people from having an individual connection with God. How's that for division?

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

Actually, didn't you follow my last talk? We all know that the heresies that predominated in England was Anglicanism, Calvinism in Holland and Scotland and Lutheranism in northern Germany and Scandinavia... Please don't tell me know that all these people were eager to become Protestants. Actually, 85% of Britain wanted to remain Catholic but were forced by Elizabeth I and John Know to renounce Catholicism or face death penalties. Read about the Pilgrimage of Grace

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 Pilgrimage of Grace was under Henry VIII. Again: get a clue. No Dutch Catholic was forced to abandon his faith; to the last century, about 1/3 of the Dutch were Catholics. The other 2/3 had adopted some form of Calvinism or Lutheranism - indeed: of their own free will! The whole mess in Germany was a result of cuius regio eius religio, which meant that protestants fled to the North while Catholics relocated to the South. (roughly.) The Roman Cult is a divisive, bloodthirsty blasphemy.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

And who denies that the Pilgrimage was under Henry VIII?It is actually very outrageous to see a person like you glorified and JUSTIFYING the mass murder of Catholics in Europe for the sake of the Protestant Inquisition!Of their own free will?hahah! it was actually done according to the law of the sword,with no extra option.until 1825 and 1860,Catholicism was a forbidden faith in Britain and in Sweden.Catholicism is the true faith. Thankfully we're gonna reunite soon with the Orthodox

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 There never was a protestant inquisition. Least of all in the Netherlands. There never was a rule of sword in the Netherlands, which is what I talked about. I hate mass-murders, which is why I hate the burning alive of people, which is why I hate the RC Cult. As should every true Christian.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

hahahaha... There was never a Protestant Inquisition... you are joke man... ask this same question to an Irishman, someone from Salem USA, a Swiss Catholic from Geneva, French Canadian or even a Scottish Catholic and let's see what they answer.

- Stop denying History. The Protestant Inquistion was one of the most outrageous forms of brutality that this world has ever seen. I hate when Protestants do not follow what Christ teaches and say they "are true" Christians. VERY SAD INDEED

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 "outragious form of brutality"? - Only to be outdone a thousand times by your creed I'm sure. So your justification for the burning alive of protestants is that "they hanged Catholics too"? Where in the Netherlands did that happen? And how does that make the Roman half-pagan cult the true version of Christianity? Your arguments are despicable.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

See how much you twist things?I have never ever justified what a minority of Catholics did 500 years ago.On the other hand, you say that it was worth killing innocent Catholics just to establish Protestantism in Northern Europe.This is outrageous and unacceptable to me.This type of bloody hatred that you have against my person just for being Catholic must only come from Satan, since Christ encourages to love Protestants, Atheists, Muslims and Jews,and to be in open dialogue with them

[Wilbtube]

@Multi0703 No, sister, I already said I abhor all mass-murders. The one who thusfar has renounced not even a single burning is YOU. You're projecting your own twisted double standard on me. I said your arguments are despicable - YOU are hating me as a person, not the other way around. YOU accuse me of being in League with Satan. I never accused you personally of the same. Rome, yes - but not you. Open dialogue? Haven't noticed any of it. Not in your words, not in the pope's.

[Multi0703]

@Wilbtube

Yo man:I am a man & also I have never never actually said that Catholics did not kill anyone in the past, but you renouce that Protestant did not force any Catholic to convert to their cults.I don't hate at all bro.Christ tells me to love all my enemies,and I just have pure and simple love for you and for those who are ignorant about the Catholic faith. Well, who started saying:the whore of Babylon, pagan cult,pedophile Pope?Was it me or what? Sad when people cannot admit wht they do

[berguss22]

he's jewish a zionist is re-writing british history OMG 10 times

[ailysolveig]

@berguss22 This jew took trouble to learn the history of Britain. Do you know it better? Write your version then and let people decide which is truer.

[antzinn79]

I've watched the 1st 5 episodes and i gotta say,this is very interesting!

[Squirtle49]

You can see the great pyramids of Giza out of the stained glass at 08:00 :-)

[active85858585]

sorry to be a right pedant here, but he's wrong at 06:53 - James II was in fact our last Catholic monarch - he's still a legend though :-)

[Squirtle49]

Simon Schama can re-write history as he is god. :-)

[theblacksister]

@active85858585 I think what he meant is a monarch who officially enforced Catholicism, not just practiced it him- or herself.

[shamalama68]

@active85858585 And why, pray tell, his he a "legend"? By my reckoning he was a coward and a fool.

[BunrakukenIII]

@shamalama68

I think he is referring to the fact that, despite being incorrect about the identity of England's last Catholic monarch, Simon Schama is still a 'legend'...

[BunrakukenIII]

However, Schama can be seen as correct in the basic fact that Mary was the last monarch to preside over a (however unwilling) Catholic state. Whilst James II was a converter to Catholicism an whose attempts to spread his faith into the country met with all the trouble that the little bugger deserved...

[active85858585]

@BunrakukenIII you are right on both counts - that was exactly what i meant by 'legend'. very good reasoning you have there sir. with any other historian I would have required a little more clarity, but with Schama - I'm quite happy to overlook it!

[whpriol1]

My mother swears by holy water from Lourdes, France. Apparently, the Virgin Mary made an appearance there. She really believes in this water. I think it's funny.

[shamalama68]

@whpriol1 Why would water from one place, like Lourdes, be more "holy" than water from any other place? Didn't God make the entire world? Wasn't all water his creation? Why would he make Lourdes water special, and not share it with all of his creation? This is what I don't understand about Catholic beliefs. Superstitious and ignorant.

[Multi0703]

@shamalama68

Inded.Water's a sacred element in Catholicism.It's through water that Christ was baptized by John the Baptist & water is the essence of al life.However,the water tht comes from Lourdes's a symbol of union with the Virgin Mary.The Virgin showed St. Bernadete tht in the cave water would run out the stones and this water'd be a symbol of rejoice for the faithful.Although never formally encouraged by the Church,Lourdes water's become a focus of devotion to the Virgin Mary at Lourdes.

[samuelspencerbaylis]

has he left out the war of the roses?

[mrgudaja]

@samuelspencerbaylis no, it's in the episode 5

[akamailman]

SImon Schama is a boss.

[kingslegion1]

@akamailman he is the Shelby Foote for the english.