MUSLIMS ARE ALWAYS FINDING "MIRACLES" OUT OF VERY VAGUE TEXTS BUT THE QURAN IS TOTALLY UNSCIENTIFIC. THE QURAN SAYS THAT THE UNIVERSE IS MADE UP OF 7 HEAVENS, AN OLD, FALSE BELIEF OF MUHAMMED'S TIME, 41:12, THAT "STARS ARE MISSILES TO SHOOT THE DEVIL", 67:5, THAT "STARS WERE CREATED AS MISSILES TO DEFEND THE HEAVENS FROM DEMONS LISTENING TO THE DEVINE ASSEMBLY", 37:6-8 AND THAT "THERE IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SUN SET", AS IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT, 18:83-90
the arabic verb atakhizi and fasliki refers to female. he is right about nahil could be either male or female however since the verbs used refer to female then you rule out it's a female nahil is talking about.
اسم جنس جمعي واحده نحلة ، يؤنث في لغة الحجاز ، لذلك قال تعالى: (وَأَوْحَى رَبُّكَ إِلَى النَّحْلِ أَنِ اتَّخِذِي مِنَ الْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًا) ، وقد يجوز فيها التذكير، قياساً على النمل : " ياأيها النمل ادخلوا مساكنكم ..."
And I forgot 2 female singular pronouns mentioned in 16:69 : Butuniha - her belly for example.
Its beautiful part of quranic rhetoric.
The anaolgy with romans and cattle is false, since the verse 16:69 doesnt mentioned bees by name wisely, and mentions 2 female singular verbs and pronouns consequently, nothing like this in other verses !
Also we could just take the books of Jules Verne or Nikola Tesla research writings and call it a holy book and them prophets because they imagined some scientific things in future that happened ,also if you think about Aleksandr the great and greek advancment in knowledge it was all cause of conquering and smart people who were able to exploit that knowledge ,but if you look at Islam you see that they were on top while conquering and when they stopped they got dumb cause of Islam.
How do you know people didn't know about the role of female bees? It's not that rare in the animal kingdom that females have to do all the work, e.g. female lions.
@thesmashmaster Their knowledge is based on the ancient civilizations ,bee keeping in ancient Egypt was there for thousand of years ,and today we just go back to those ancient civilizations and we see errors in their so called miracles and we see that it can be applied to their so called miracles because of errors they make which are very similar to those of ancient scientists,
@neoZykl "That is something only Allah and the true believers can see" How dare i attempt to speak for all muslims, your fckn bullshit is your fkn bullshit, not all believers see any poetry in that. you are a fake muslim looking to justify your belief as fact in this world instead exhalting Allah by admitting your faith.
U dance around trying to justify making yourself look like a fool, u can if u want jst dnt try drag all muslims with u. u disgust me
Quran, bible, talmud = worthless excrement fairytales made up by human beings.
There is no logical reason to refer to them or quote them.
Only subhumans take them seriously.
Yes, for ENTERTAINMENT purposes ONLY, it's fun to keep religious ritual traditions alive (ramadan, christmas), maybe once or twice a year. But anything MORE than that wastes time and energy, rots the brain of critical hard-thinking power, and separates real hardworking humans from mentally inferior trash.
The Bees featured in the Elysian mysteries in Greece, and featured in the ancient Egyptian religion. They were the collectors of knowledge, the honey as the anoiting unguent for the dead pharaoh. As such the bee (Bit) was able to transport the spirit to the afterlife. The bee, as well as the bit-bird, was female.
"It doesn't mean "Roman women" because: 1. that doesn't make sense 2. a masculine pronoun is used in the next verse referring to these Romans (which proves the guy deliberately misinterpreted the verse)
16:68 means female bees because 1. that makes sense 2. the verb used CLEARLY address females. The plural form of "birds" and "camels" is feminine by default, the plural of "bees" isn't."
@neoZykl This is why I despair sometimes when arguing with those whose starting point is is unshakable. However there is always the chance that some will think. So to respond to the questions:
@neoZykl 1. There's no justification for rejecting pronouns but accepting verbs. Both follow the gender of the noun. This is simply picking and choosing. Without doubt if a pronoun supported a claim they would use it. But if she wants a verb in the feminine, look at 105:3-4 "And He sent against them Flights of Birds striking them with stones of baked clay." Striking is feminine. So were all the birds female birds? Also how does she explain the male pronoun being used for cattle giving Milk?
@neoZykl 2. Re: Romans in the feminine. I was of course being facetious in those examples. Of course I don't really think the Qur'an is suggesting the Romans defeated were women, or only the women of Noah, Ad & Thamud denied their prophets, or that only female birds are held up or that only female camels were created etc… I am of course highlighting the faulty logic of Harun Yahya and showing that in fact the gender of the verb does not necessarily relate to the gender of the actual subject.
@neoZykl 3. As I stated in the video Collective/Mass nouns can be feminine and masculine. She's right that the Qur'an usually treats them as feminine - which again I stated in the video and which is exactly why using the feminine for Bees is not unusual.
@neoZykl 4. The fundamental point is this: Harun Yahya states that using feminine verbs in this verse is undeniable proof that the Qur'an is speaking only to female bees. This is false. Nahl can be feminine. Muslims are of course entitled to their opinion and belief that this verse contains such an allusion, and I support their right to their beliefs and opinions. But when some present this as an irrefutable and undeniable fact - then they deserve to be called out.
@CEMBadmins thanks for taking the time adressing this. Of course this isn't going to shake the certitudes of certain people, but me I just prefer to have the arguments clarified (it's always embarassing to have your argument crumble between your fingers during a debate, especially if the other side is fluent in the language and you can't tell what is a real counterargument and what is just weaseling out).
@neoZykl No problem. btw what did she say about the fact that the verse says: "Take the mountains etc as dwellings/homes" and male bees also take these places as homes?
@CEMBadmins oh, she specifically referred to that. She said "bees: In order to live in a tree or anywhere, bees need to build a hive first. That's why it is understood as "build". "
(just as with the pronoun for the cattle: "No body is stupid enough to think that bulls are the ones who produce milk, it's another language technique."- no need to teach muslims about cows so no harm in using the male form for poetry).
@neoZykl Sigh! The power of faith! I was being quite generous in saying that it can also allude to building. The straightforward meaning is 'take them as dwellings' and that's what all the Tafseers say, so whether one wants to include building one cannot say it excludes living in them so she is talking nonsense if she denies it includes living in them. As for the "poetry" of using a masculine pronoun, I would be fascinated to know in what way it adds to the "poetry" of the verse.
@CEMBadmins "I would be fascinated to know in what way it adds to the "poetry" of the verse."
That is something only Allah and the true believers can see; the eyes and hearts of unbelievers are closed even to such obvious beauties as the strong, manly folk of the cattle granting mankind the milk that comes forth from certain parts of their society that are not worthy of mention... :P
I am discussing this with a muslim girl. She already pointed out this:
-You are comparing verbs (example with the bees) and pronouns (cows), which is not legitimate at all for the idea that is conveyed (which is, in case of the bees, the female worker bees doing (verbs!) all the important work for the hive)
-Thus, it is legitimate for the believer to think this was inentional
@thatamazinggeek there is a yt video, "Why we believe in gods" that deals with this topic on an academic level, presented by an psychologist. U will like that!
"(...)at least find more civilised forms of religion" ayan hirsi ali has the exact same opinion like you, and i share that. Do you ever noticed that everytime (as far as i can tell) a muslim deconverts from islam he makes an impression as if he woke up from a nightmare. I see this all the time, the way the deconversion is explained
@thatamazinggeek The reason why humans are so vulnerable is not a mistery. When you think about that the architecture of our brain is not an invention of the 20th century. The basic functional concepts of our brain and all the implications that it bring are up to 160,000 years old. We are fucked!
@mss3331 LOL... I do speak and understand Arabic. On the contrary it seems you are having a problem understanding. Watch the video again and concentrate and look at the references in the info box - i.e. النَّحل يذكَّر ويؤنث على قاعدة أسماء الأجناس، فالتأنيث فيها لغة الحجاز، ولذلك أنثها الله - تعالى
The word Al-Nahl is masculine or feminine according to the rule governing Collective Nouns of species. The feminine usage is the dialect of the Hijaz (Muhammad's dialect)."
@mss3331 لولللل ضحّكتني فعلا ولكن دعنا من الماضي والمضارع حتى لم أتجاوز حد الكلمات المهم إعراب فعل الأمر أنْتَ أتَّخِذْ أنْتِ اتَّخَذِي أَنْتُمْ اتَّخِذُوا أنتنَّ اتَّخِذْنَ الآن حان دورك للإجابة على السؤال انظر الي الآيتين التاليتين وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْرًا أَبَابِيلَ تَرْمِيهِمْ بِحِجَارَةٍ مِنْ سِجِّيلٍ هل كانت الطير التي أرسلها الله إناثا فقط؟
@CEMBadmins بعلمي البسييط جدا اقول...ان الطير معناها كل ما يطير في الهواء...اي انه غير محدد هل هو ذكر او انثى..مثال:ذهب الناس,كلمة الناس لا تدل على الذكوره او الانوثه ومع ذلك عوملت كانها مذكر. فالطير شامل لجميع انواع الطيور باشكالها والوانها,والله اعلم
انت لم تعرب كلمة اتخذي,وهنا يكمن صوعبة اللغه العربيه,فاذا فهمنا قواعد النحو فمنا القران.
@mss3331 يا اخي الكريم هل قرأت المقتطفات من التفاسير في مربع المعلومات؟ كلها تثبت بأن كلمة النحل اسم الجنس الجمعي يعني هي تطلق على الجنس كله الذكر والأنثى ويمكنك ان تستعمل فعل مؤنث ولو دلّ على الذكر ايضا كما في الآية أَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الطَّيْرِ مُسَخَّرَاتٍ فِي جَوِّ السَّمَاءِ مَا يُمْسِكُهُنَّ إِلَّا اللَّهُ طبعا الله يمسك جميع الطير الذكر والأنثى ولو استعملت الآية كلمة مُسَخَّرَاتٍ وهي مؤنث لأن كلمة الطير اسم الجنس الجمعي ايضا مثل كلمة النحل
@discussislam ترمي لا تدل على التانيث,اسمح لي ان ابين لك هذا, ولكن بشرط واحد ان تركز معي وتحاول ان تجرب ما سأقوله لك.
ان كنت تقصد ال"ت" التي في بداية كلمة ترمي فانها تدل على المضارع وهي مجموعه في كلمة "انيت"
مثال:انت تذهب الى المدرسه.للذكر
:انتي تذهبي الى المدرسه.للتانيث
اما ان كنت تقصد الياء اللتي في اخر الكلمه ترمي.
فانها لا تدل على التانيث لان الياء هنا من اصل الكلمه,يعني اذا حذفتها لا يستقيم المعنى,حاول ان تحذف الياء وسوف تكتشف ان الكلمه غير موجوده في اللغه العربيه اصلا!.
@mss3331 لا ابدا انت مخطئ جدا التاء في ترمي للغائب وليس للمخاطَب وهي تدل على التأنيث - انظر الى التفاسير وعلى سبيل المثال تفسير ابن عادل الذي قال " تَرْميهِمْ " بالتأنيث" لأن اسم الجنس الجمعي يذكر ويؤنث
@mss3331 يا بني حاول تفهم جيدا ، طبعا كلمة "ترمي" فعل ولم أقل انها اسم الجنس الجمعي انما كلمة "طير" اسم الجنس الجمعي - أما الفعل "ترمي" هو يدل على التأنيث لأنه تابع كلمة "طير" وهي مؤنث في هذه الآية. كما قيل في تفسير ابن عادل تَرْميهِمْ "بالتأنيث" لأن اسم الجنس الجمعي يذكر ويؤنث. وكما قلت انت مخطئ جدا بنسبة التاء في "ترمي" انها ليست للمخاطَب يعني ليست "انت" ترمي إنما هي للغائب يعني "هي" ترمي اسأل اي عالم في القرآن او اللغة
@discussislam اسم الجنس الجمعي، هو ما دل على أكثر من اثنين، ولكن يُفرَّق بينه وبين واحده بوجود التاء أو ياء النسب في المفرد, أي أن الجمع يكون خاليًا منهما.
أمثلة على اسم الجنس الجمعي, عندما يكون الفرق بين المفرد والجمع وجود التاء في المفرد :
شجر : اسم جنس جمعي، مفرده شجرة
كلم : اسم جنس جمعي, مفرده كلمة
جمر : جمرة.
تفاح : تفاحة.
دجاج : دجاجة.
ونجد أن الفرق بين الجمع والمفرد التاء ، فالتاء تكون في المفرد.
@mss3331 شاطر! انت قادر علي بحث الانترنت لحصول على معلومات ، الآن ابحث عن المعلومات ان اسم الجنس الجمعي يُذَكَّر ويُؤَنَّث وان كلمة النحل اسم الجنس الجمعي - العلم نور حبيبي
@mss3331 نعم كلمة طيرة موجودة على الرغم من أنها نادرة اليوم مثلا عن أنس بن مالك- رضي اللّه عنه- عن النّبيّ صلّى اللّه عليه وسلّم قال: «لا عدوى ولا طيرة، ويعجبني الفأل». قالوا: وما الفأل؟ قال: «كلمة طيّبة» [البخاري- الفتح 10 (5776). ومسلم (2224) ] .
@mss3331 العرب كانوا يتشاءمون من الطير لذلك استعملوا طائرٌ وطَيْرٌ وطِيَرَة بمعنى التشاؤم كما في القرآن "طائرُكُم مَعَكم" أَي شُؤْمُكم معَكم وفي لسان العرب: "قيل للشُؤْم طائرٌ وطَيْرٌ وطِيَرَة لأَن العرب كان من شأْنها عِيافةُ الطَّيْرِ وزَجْرُها". أما كلمة النحل هل انت تقبل الآن أنها اسم الجنس الجمعي؟ فاذا قبلت هذا اذن قبلت انها يذكر ويؤنث ولذلك هو ليس من الغريب أن كلمة "اتخذي" جائت على صيغة المؤنث وليس هناك أي دليل على أنها تتحدث فقط الى الإناث كما ادّعى هارون يحيى. هل قبلت هذا ام لا؟
@discussislam يجب ان تعترف ان تعترف ان طيرا ليست لها علاقه بطيره اذ ان طيرا جمع لطائر وليس لطيره..
ثانيا انا بحثت في الموضوع ووجدت ان نحل مؤنث ولكنها تذكر احيانا...
ولكن المثير في الموضوع هنا ..لماذا اختار الله الجمع المؤنث ولم يختار الجمع المذكر!
وايضا فان قلنا انها جمع لكان الفعل "اتخذن" وذا كان للجمع المذكر لكان قال "اتخذوا" اذا هنا التركيز على الفرد المؤنث وان دل هذا على شئ فانه يدل على ان المقصود هنا هو النحل المؤنث اللتي وظيفته البحث على العسل....انتهى
@mss3331 لن أجادلك في مسألة طير وطيرة حتى لا أطيل الكلام انا مسرور انك وجدت أن النحل مؤنث ومذكر فهذه هي النقطة الأساسية في الفيديو أما باقي كلامك فهو مسألة رأي وليس مسألة دليل قاطع لا مجالَ للشك فيه كما ادّعى هارون يحيى لكن أسألك سؤال اذا التركيز على الفرد المؤنث يدل على ان المقصود النحل المؤنث هل التركيز على الفرد المذكر يدل على ان المقصود الذكور؟ وَإِنَّ لَكُمْ فِي الْأَنْعَامِ لَعِبْرَةً نُسْقِيكُمْ مِمَّا فِي بُطُونِهِ مِنْ بَيْنِ فَرْثٍ وَدَمٍ لَبَنًا الخ
HE is confuse between طيرة and طائر so he turned back to the original Question, as the best study ever done shows the word النحل is genitive masculine noun so using the verb feminine shows special divine wisdom of using and choosing words.
link corpus Quran com
there are two about same verses to explain about الأنعام in the Quran....16:66 and 23:21
Islam really seems to be proud of its scientific miracles. On the front of the luton sunday paper there was a huge advert for the national release of the quran. It was full of that pretend science bullshit that would attempt to reach out to the rationality of the non muslim lower/middle class. How can I say this with confidence? The back page was covered in testimonial photos, all predominantly white with a gentleman in a turban and a black dude for good measure. What a painfully clear agenda.
Quran 16.79 is also another failure of the Qur'an. Soaring birds are held up by thermals, as are sailing planes and parasailers. Allah fails meteorology.
In the garden of life, Islam is nothing but a deadly, invasive weed.
Rather than just hoping for peace and harmony in the world, it would be better simply to outlaw the one Satanic evil of Islam.
Come my non muslim brothers and sisters, let us raise our strong voices against this poisonous creed - let us gather the rocks of truth, logic intelligence and reason - for with them as our ammunition, we can stone the illegitimate bastard religion of islam to death.
@TheProphetMo I mean it must have been the same word. The word must have already existed in arabic before the Qu'ran. In the greek language Bee was also female, in latin also. In my language german it was also always female.
Oh and yes, it has been around as long as the Arabic language itself.
It is not a koranic word at all.
In fact there are variations of the word going back to about the 8th century BC, and they originated from the proto-Arabic, Ancient North Arabian, Nabataean and musnad languages of the Middle East.
good there are now arab creatists this means that logic and reason may start working in the Arab world. You know the lauange is kind one that sounds like it met to be song.
Haha what a fascist religion Islam is. I tried to search about the sick perverted sex life of Mohammed and his rape of Hafsa but it turns out my Islamic state has banned all these sites. FUCK ISLAM FUCK MOHAMMED
Thank you for your video! It is really great having an Arabic speaking critic of this book speaking out and taking the claims apart. Nicely and thoroughly done!
This was real pwnage. Many muslims i have discussed with have used this argument, but haven't seen a lot of pwnage about this. Thanks for giving us the knowledge to defeat this assertion perfectly.
What you are doing is pioneer work, and we should be thankful for having you as a argument helper :).
Malachi 4:2 But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall.
When i was a christian I was told this was a scientific miracle, Since sunlight is what give us vitamin-d and of course that helps our immune system & strengthens our bones ...
You can find things like this in just about any ancient poetic,philosophical religious text.
Why doesn't somebody make a video on the countless 'miracles' in the works of Nostradamas? His 'predictions' are much more 'detailed' and 'precise', in retrospect of course!
So Allah wanted to prove himself by saying a bee is female rather than informing us about bacteria, viruses and DNA? Wow! What a wise profound asshole!
Harun Yahya is a pervert and a narcissistic egotists, Who has spent time in jail for possession of cocaine and narcotics, Has been in and out of court for various charges including the accusation that he coerced his underage female followers into giving sexual favors to wealthy Turkish businessmen n the hopes of blackmailing them down the road ,He Has on record claimed to be the Mahdi ect..
If they really want to convince the world that the koran is full of scientific knowledge, then they should be looking for things that have yet to be discovered by science.
It would be so much more impressive if they could point to something yet unknown that could be tested and verified. Do they find the koran too ambigous or vague for that - or don't they really believe there's anything to find?
Birds are not held up by "nothing".... wow Allah is pretty stupid for knowing everything and sending an angel to talk muhammad... AND still getting almost everything wrong at every opportunity.
@cembadmins in my native language (Spanish) in the case of the most of animals, they keep their gender regardless the plural (we have a plural male and plural female). However each species have a "fixed" gender. Mosquitos are male and bees are female, however such fix gender does not change in order to refer to an specific sex: the words "male" and "female" are used for that.
are u stupid...it is not in the bee ...it is in the verb ...the verb show that it is feminine اتخذي" not "اتخذ" the different is "ي" the first one is for feminine the second is the opposite.did u understand this?
@mss3331 هذه ليست مسألة صواب أو خطأ في القرآن ، هذا الفيديو فقط يظهرزيف ادعاء هارون يحيا بان هناك معجزة النحل في القران ، يمكنك أن تؤمن بما تريد ، أنا كنت مسلما وعندي عائلة مسلمة وأنا أؤيد حقهم وحقك في الإيمان بما تريد ولكن الشيء الوحيد الذي لا يعجبني هو الكذب ، اذا يقوم شخص بإدعاءات بان في القرآن معجزات علمية كهارون يحيا مثلا ينبغي أن يفضح كذبه وخداعه على الناس
@discussislam انت جبان نذل تهرب من المناظرات .. وهناك من يدفع لك لتدعى انك مسلم سابق ,, ولكن ردود الشبهات تزيد يومآ بعد يوم وسوف نفضحك اكثر وأكثر عما قريب يا مزور
@Fahd4Cool بدلا من الهجمات على شخصيتي ناقش الموضوع ، هل تعتقد أيضا أن تأنيث الفعل هو يعني ان النحل لا بد ان تكون إناثا فقط؟ انظر الي الآية التالية: أَفَلَا يَنْظُرُونَ إِلَى الْإِبِلِ كَيْفَ خُلِقَتْ ، هل تعتقد ان الإبل التي خلقها الله كانت إناثا فقط؟
@orgolioitalia1 - Do you realise your video response just repeats the claim debunked? Did you understand the video? The verbs are feminine because an-Nahl is feminine. Do you really think that if a verb or pronoun is feminine it means the subject is female? Didn't you see the examples of feminine verbs and pronouns that are obviously not only referring to females - or do you think Allah only holds female birds up in the sky? Try to understand a video properly before responding next time.
So you are saying * an-Nahl is feminine*and in your other comment on your video you said they are both: كلها تثبت بأن كلمة النحل اسم الجنس الجمعي يعني هي تطلق على الجنس كله الذكر والأنثى
Do you are not contradicting yourself?
Now there are opinions between scholars and deep accurate study shows that the word is:
****genitive masculine noun****look the site, corpus Quran com, open to humanity, to study in deep the Quranic terms.
it is not the human speech, and also indicates the entire cycle of female bees, the only work done by drone bees is to mate the queen and BTW again your claim become false about choosing means the hive because the hive depend on queen bee "If she is unable to fly for several days because of bad weather and remains unmated, she will become a "drone layer." Drone-laying queens usually signal the death of the colony”. Source WIKI
Most of the bees in the colony are worker bees. Workers are the smallest bees in the colony. They are sexually undeveloped females produced from fertilized eggs. They build and repair the hive, search for nectar and pollen, produce wax and honey, feed the queen and larvae and protect the hive against enemies. The life span of worker bees depend on the time of year. Most worker bees live about 28 to 35 days....
Drones are male bees without stingers. They are developed from unfertilized eggs, produced by the queen by withholding sperm. Their sole purpose is to mate with the queen. They don't collect food or pollen from flowers. If the colony is short on food, drones are often kicked out of the hive. They usually live about 6 months.
Every time I see you've made a video it makes me happy, please make more! Anyhow Harun is a riot! But to be fair I have seen some Muslims themselves laugh him off.
What you are doing is so important. We need Arab speaking ex-Muslims to help us non Arab Atheists to fight the Muslims. In arguments with a Muslim doing his dawa, he will always try to use Arabic to confuse. He cant do that vs you.
@Ranokian Yeah, true. Fight the intolerant ones. I'm not really against moderate believers. I don't agree with them, but they don't bother me so I don't bother them.
@FrozenPetrolPie as an arabic speaking ex-muslim, we need your help as well. The language argument that muslims use is only to get rid of non-arab-speaking criticism with one sweep, it's weak and dishonest. the quran can be translated and understood in any language.
@TheDude82x Totally true. I just had a argument with a Muslim. He dared me to point out any error in the Quran. I pointed out several errors to him. He then tried to dismiss the errors as translation problems. Its so frustrating
Yes we atheists world wide need to help each other
@FrozenPetrolPie - It's astonishing how even when the facts are right before their eyes they cannot see it. orgolioitalia1's video response simply repeats the Harun Yahya claim I debunked, while mss3331 is using the old "you don't understand Arabic" even though I do lol and he can't grasp the simple fact that a feminine verb simply doesn't mean the subject must be female and so he keeps repeating the same thing. Sometimes I feel it's just a waste of time debating. Faith just blinds people.
@CEMBadmins Good clear scientific response and irrefutable proof to all those fake hoaxes brought in to this world by pathological liars like Zakir Naik .
@CEMBadmins Haha yes! mss3331 is the Muslim I was referring to. I had gathered some 40+ errors in the Quran for him. He never even got past the first one. I'm still waiting for his reply, I don't think I will get one from that guy. I think he is moving on to a more easy target.
Before he left me alone, I warned him. I told him to not use the old "you don't understand Arabic" bit, because I have fellow atheists that I can turn to who DO speak Arabic.
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MUSLIMS ARE ALWAYS FINDING "MIRACLES" OUT OF VERY VAGUE TEXTS BUT THE QURAN IS TOTALLY UNSCIENTIFIC. THE QURAN SAYS THAT THE UNIVERSE IS MADE UP OF 7 HEAVENS, AN OLD, FALSE BELIEF OF MUHAMMED'S TIME, 41:12, THAT "STARS ARE MISSILES TO SHOOT THE DEVIL", 67:5, THAT "STARS WERE CREATED AS MISSILES TO DEFEND THE HEAVENS FROM DEMONS LISTENING TO THE DEVINE ASSEMBLY", 37:6-8 AND THAT "THERE IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SUN SET", AS IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT, 18:83-90
DulceMuchachoDulce 2 weeks ago
CEM's Arabic is so bad, it's like he is pronouncing from google translate, and why does he keep smacking his tounge, my ears are bleeding!!!!!
proofy25 1 month ago
@proofy25 If you can't beat 'em with logic, and reason, insult 'em.
GouledXD 2 weeks ago
the arabic verb atakhizi and fasliki refers to female. he is right about nahil could be either male or female however since the verbs used refer to female then you rule out it's a female nahil is talking about.
yahmana 1 month ago
LOL! what a classic song! you really need to change that font, btw.
SaudiPseudonym 2 months ago
CEMBadmins didnt quote the entire sentence from lexicon:
"Nahl is ism jins jami, singular-Nahlah, feminine in hijazi language, quotes the verse 16:68, {CEMBadmins stops here}
its allowed to use it in masculine, as with Naml-ants, verse 27:18 ""O ants enter your dwellings.."
-- Hiding evidence to support ur conclusion is not a good idea, its called deception
penkallli 2 months ago
النحل
اسم جنس جمعي واحده نحلة ، يؤنث في لغة الحجاز ، لذلك قال تعالى: (وَأَوْحَى رَبُّكَ إِلَى النَّحْلِ أَنِ اتَّخِذِي مِنَ الْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًا) ، وقد يجوز فيها التذكير، قياساً على النمل : " ياأيها النمل ادخلوا مساكنكم ..."
penkallli 2 months ago
And I forgot 2 female singular pronouns mentioned in 16:69 : Butuniha - her belly for example.
Its beautiful part of quranic rhetoric.
The anaolgy with romans and cattle is false, since the verse 16:69 doesnt mentioned bees by name wisely, and mentions 2 female singular verbs and pronouns consequently, nothing like this in other verses !
penkallli 2 months ago
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penkallli 2 months ago
this is an argument about the accuracy of Mr. Haroon discovery which might be correct or wrong.. this is not a challenge for Qurans miracles
shuwikar 4 months ago
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Also we could just take the books of Jules Verne or Nikola Tesla research writings and call it a holy book and them prophets because they imagined some scientific things in future that happened ,also if you think about Aleksandr the great and greek advancment in knowledge it was all cause of conquering and smart people who were able to exploit that knowledge ,but if you look at Islam you see that they were on top while conquering and when they stopped they got dumb cause of Islam.
zilexxx 5 months ago
How do you know people didn't know about the role of female bees? It's not that rare in the animal kingdom that females have to do all the work, e.g. female lions.
thesmashmaster 6 months ago
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@thesmashmaster Their knowledge is based on the ancient civilizations ,bee keeping in ancient Egypt was there for thousand of years ,and today we just go back to those ancient civilizations and we see errors in their so called miracles and we see that it can be applied to their so called miracles because of errors they make which are very similar to those of ancient scientists,
zilexxx 5 months ago
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sicker57 6 months ago
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sicker57 6 months ago
Asa always very clear.
strangetranceoffaith 7 months ago
@neoZykl "That is something only Allah and the true believers can see" How dare i attempt to speak for all muslims, your fckn bullshit is your fkn bullshit, not all believers see any poetry in that. you are a fake muslim looking to justify your belief as fact in this world instead exhalting Allah by admitting your faith.
U dance around trying to justify making yourself look like a fool, u can if u want jst dnt try drag all muslims with u. u disgust me
shandcunt 7 months ago
cute song! :D
toobamatooba 7 months ago
orgolioitalia1 has debunked you with a fashion! be ashamed and don't show up anymore!
JackSparrowDepp 7 months ago
Quran, bible, talmud = worthless excrement fairytales made up by human beings.
There is no logical reason to refer to them or quote them.
Only subhumans take them seriously.
Yes, for ENTERTAINMENT purposes ONLY, it's fun to keep religious ritual traditions alive (ramadan, christmas), maybe once or twice a year. But anything MORE than that wastes time and energy, rots the brain of critical hard-thinking power, and separates real hardworking humans from mentally inferior trash.
mphello 7 months ago
The Bees featured in the Elysian mysteries in Greece, and featured in the ancient Egyptian religion. They were the collectors of knowledge, the honey as the anoiting unguent for the dead pharaoh. As such the bee (Bit) was able to transport the spirit to the afterlife. The bee, as well as the bit-bird, was female.
martynblackburn1977 7 months ago
She concluded with this:
"It doesn't mean "Roman women" because: 1. that doesn't make sense 2. a masculine pronoun is used in the next verse referring to these Romans (which proves the guy deliberately misinterpreted the verse)
16:68 means female bees because 1. that makes sense 2. the verb used CLEARLY address females. The plural form of "birds" and "camels" is feminine by default, the plural of "bees" isn't."
neoZykl 7 months ago
@neoZykl This is why I despair sometimes when arguing with those whose starting point is is unshakable. However there is always the chance that some will think. So to respond to the questions:
CEMBadmins 7 months ago 3
@neoZykl 1. There's no justification for rejecting pronouns but accepting verbs. Both follow the gender of the noun. This is simply picking and choosing. Without doubt if a pronoun supported a claim they would use it. But if she wants a verb in the feminine, look at 105:3-4 "And He sent against them Flights of Birds striking them with stones of baked clay." Striking is feminine. So were all the birds female birds? Also how does she explain the male pronoun being used for cattle giving Milk?
CEMBadmins 7 months ago 5
@neoZykl 2. Re: Romans in the feminine. I was of course being facetious in those examples. Of course I don't really think the Qur'an is suggesting the Romans defeated were women, or only the women of Noah, Ad & Thamud denied their prophets, or that only female birds are held up or that only female camels were created etc… I am of course highlighting the faulty logic of Harun Yahya and showing that in fact the gender of the verb does not necessarily relate to the gender of the actual subject.
CEMBadmins 7 months ago 13
@neoZykl 3. As I stated in the video Collective/Mass nouns can be feminine and masculine. She's right that the Qur'an usually treats them as feminine - which again I stated in the video and which is exactly why using the feminine for Bees is not unusual.
CEMBadmins 7 months ago 4
@neoZykl 4. The fundamental point is this: Harun Yahya states that using feminine verbs in this verse is undeniable proof that the Qur'an is speaking only to female bees. This is false. Nahl can be feminine. Muslims are of course entitled to their opinion and belief that this verse contains such an allusion, and I support their right to their beliefs and opinions. But when some present this as an irrefutable and undeniable fact - then they deserve to be called out.
CEMBadmins 7 months ago 18
@CEMBadmins thanks for taking the time adressing this. Of course this isn't going to shake the certitudes of certain people, but me I just prefer to have the arguments clarified (it's always embarassing to have your argument crumble between your fingers during a debate, especially if the other side is fluent in the language and you can't tell what is a real counterargument and what is just weaseling out).
neoZykl 7 months ago
@neoZykl No problem. btw what did she say about the fact that the verse says: "Take the mountains etc as dwellings/homes" and male bees also take these places as homes?
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins oh, she specifically referred to that. She said "bees: In order to live in a tree or anywhere, bees need to build a hive first. That's why it is understood as "build". "
(just as with the pronoun for the cattle: "No body is stupid enough to think that bulls are the ones who produce milk, it's another language technique."- no need to teach muslims about cows so no harm in using the male form for poetry).
neoZykl 7 months ago
@neoZykl Sigh! The power of faith! I was being quite generous in saying that it can also allude to building. The straightforward meaning is 'take them as dwellings' and that's what all the Tafseers say, so whether one wants to include building one cannot say it excludes living in them so she is talking nonsense if she denies it includes living in them. As for the "poetry" of using a masculine pronoun, I would be fascinated to know in what way it adds to the "poetry" of the verse.
CEMBadmins 7 months ago 3
@CEMBadmins "I would be fascinated to know in what way it adds to the "poetry" of the verse."
That is something only Allah and the true believers can see; the eyes and hearts of unbelievers are closed even to such obvious beauties as the strong, manly folk of the cattle granting mankind the milk that comes forth from certain parts of their society that are not worthy of mention... :P
neoZykl 7 months ago
I am discussing this with a muslim girl. She already pointed out this:
-You are comparing verbs (example with the bees) and pronouns (cows), which is not legitimate at all for the idea that is conveyed (which is, in case of the bees, the female worker bees doing (verbs!) all the important work for the hive)
-Thus, it is legitimate for the believer to think this was inentional
neoZykl 7 months ago
@thatamazinggeek there is a yt video, "Why we believe in gods" that deals with this topic on an academic level, presented by an psychologist. U will like that!
"(...)at least find more civilised forms of religion" ayan hirsi ali has the exact same opinion like you, and i share that. Do you ever noticed that everytime (as far as i can tell) a muslim deconverts from islam he makes an impression as if he woke up from a nightmare. I see this all the time, the way the deconversion is explained
Serpico261 7 months ago
@thatamazinggeek The reason why humans are so vulnerable is not a mistery. When you think about that the architecture of our brain is not an invention of the 20th century. The basic functional concepts of our brain and all the implications that it bring are up to 160,000 years old. We are fucked!
Serpico261 7 months ago
Wow Dude! Great video! I liked it so much, I'm subbing right away! Thanks for posting! Cheers, eh!
metalskinstudios 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins you even dont understand Arabic......how could you possibly understand the Quran?
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 LOL... I do speak and understand Arabic. On the contrary it seems you are having a problem understanding. Watch the video again and concentrate and look at the references in the info box - i.e. النَّحل يذكَّر ويؤنث على قاعدة أسماء الأجناس، فالتأنيث فيها لغة الحجاز، ولذلك أنثها الله - تعالى
The word Al-Nahl is masculine or feminine according to the rule governing Collective Nouns of species. The feminine usage is the dialect of the Hijaz (Muhammad's dialect)."
Tafseer ibn Adil
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins ولكن الرسول قرشي وليس حجازي!
mss3331 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins اذا اعرب لي كلمة اتخذي!
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 لولللل ضحّكتني فعلا ولكن دعنا من الماضي والمضارع حتى لم أتجاوز حد الكلمات المهم إعراب فعل الأمر أنْتَ أتَّخِذْ أنْتِ اتَّخَذِي أَنْتُمْ اتَّخِذُوا أنتنَّ اتَّخِذْنَ الآن حان دورك للإجابة على السؤال انظر الي الآيتين التاليتين وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْرًا أَبَابِيلَ تَرْمِيهِمْ بِحِجَارَةٍ مِنْ سِجِّيلٍ هل كانت الطير التي أرسلها الله إناثا فقط؟
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins بعلمي البسييط جدا اقول...ان الطير معناها كل ما يطير في الهواء...اي انه غير محدد هل هو ذكر او انثى..مثال:ذهب الناس,كلمة الناس لا تدل على الذكوره او الانوثه ومع ذلك عوملت كانها مذكر. فالطير شامل لجميع انواع الطيور باشكالها والوانها,والله اعلم
انت لم تعرب كلمة اتخذي,وهنا يكمن صوعبة اللغه العربيه,فاذا فهمنا قواعد النحو فمنا القران.
وشكرا
mss3331 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins إعراب الياء في كلمة اتخذي: ياء مؤنثة مخاطبة ، معنى النحل مؤنث
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 يا اخي الكريم هل قرأت المقتطفات من التفاسير في مربع المعلومات؟ كلها تثبت بأن كلمة النحل اسم الجنس الجمعي يعني هي تطلق على الجنس كله الذكر والأنثى ويمكنك ان تستعمل فعل مؤنث ولو دلّ على الذكر ايضا كما في الآية أَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الطَّيْرِ مُسَخَّرَاتٍ فِي جَوِّ السَّمَاءِ مَا يُمْسِكُهُنَّ إِلَّا اللَّهُ طبعا الله يمسك جميع الطير الذكر والأنثى ولو استعملت الآية كلمة مُسَخَّرَاتٍ وهي مؤنث لأن كلمة الطير اسم الجنس الجمعي ايضا مثل كلمة النحل
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
@mss3331كما استعملت الآية وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْرًا أَبَابِيلَ تَرْمِيهِمْ بِحِجَارَةٍ مِنْ سِجِّيلٍ كلمة - تَرْمِي - وهي مؤنث ولو تتضمن الطير الذكر والانثي
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam ترمي لا تدل على التانيث,اسمح لي ان ابين لك هذا, ولكن بشرط واحد ان تركز معي وتحاول ان تجرب ما سأقوله لك.
ان كنت تقصد ال"ت" التي في بداية كلمة ترمي فانها تدل على المضارع وهي مجموعه في كلمة "انيت"
مثال:انت تذهب الى المدرسه.للذكر
:انتي تذهبي الى المدرسه.للتانيث
اما ان كنت تقصد الياء اللتي في اخر الكلمه ترمي.
فانها لا تدل على التانيث لان الياء هنا من اصل الكلمه,يعني اذا حذفتها لا يستقيم المعنى,حاول ان تحذف الياء وسوف تكتشف ان الكلمه غير موجوده في اللغه العربيه اصلا!.
انا هنا لمساعدتك
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 لا ابدا انت مخطئ جدا التاء في ترمي للغائب وليس للمخاطَب وهي تدل على التأنيث - انظر الى التفاسير وعلى سبيل المثال تفسير ابن عادل الذي قال " تَرْميهِمْ " بالتأنيث" لأن اسم الجنس الجمعي يذكر ويؤنث
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam هيهيهيهيهي....كيف تكون ترميهم اسم جنس جمعي وهي اصلا فعل,ترميهم من اصل ترمي او يرمي وهذا فعل وليس اسم....فكيف يكون اسم جنس جمعي؟!
mss3331 7 months ago
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discussislam 7 months ago
@mss3331 يا بني حاول تفهم جيدا ، طبعا كلمة "ترمي" فعل ولم أقل انها اسم الجنس الجمعي انما كلمة "طير" اسم الجنس الجمعي - أما الفعل "ترمي" هو يدل على التأنيث لأنه تابع كلمة "طير" وهي مؤنث في هذه الآية. كما قيل في تفسير ابن عادل تَرْميهِمْ "بالتأنيث" لأن اسم الجنس الجمعي يذكر ويؤنث. وكما قلت انت مخطئ جدا بنسبة التاء في "ترمي" انها ليست للمخاطَب يعني ليست "انت" ترمي إنما هي للغائب يعني "هي" ترمي اسأل اي عالم في القرآن او اللغة
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam هيهيهيهي...انت مراوغ ...ولكن قل لي ماهو اسم الجنس الجمعي
انا اقول لك ما هو
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331
النوع الأخر من اسم الجنس الجمعي، هو الذي يُفرق بينه وبين واحده بياء النسب في المفرد، نحو :
عرب: عربي
زنج : زنجي.
ترك : تركي
mss3331 7 months ago
@discussislam اسم الجنس الجمعي، هو ما دل على أكثر من اثنين، ولكن يُفرَّق بينه وبين واحده بوجود التاء أو ياء النسب في المفرد, أي أن الجمع يكون خاليًا منهما.
أمثلة على اسم الجنس الجمعي, عندما يكون الفرق بين المفرد والجمع وجود التاء في المفرد :
شجر : اسم جنس جمعي، مفرده شجرة
كلم : اسم جنس جمعي, مفرده كلمة
جمر : جمرة.
تفاح : تفاحة.
دجاج : دجاجة.
ونجد أن الفرق بين الجمع والمفرد التاء ، فالتاء تكون في المفرد.
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mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 شاطر! انت قادر علي بحث الانترنت لحصول على معلومات ، الآن ابحث عن المعلومات ان اسم الجنس الجمعي يُذَكَّر ويُؤَنَّث وان كلمة النحل اسم الجنس الجمعي - العلم نور حبيبي
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam السؤال هو ماهو علاقه طيرا ابابيل باسم الجنس الجمعي؟!
mss3331 7 months ago
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discussislam 7 months ago
@mss3331 كلمة طير هي اسم الجنس الجمعي مثل كلمة نحل هي اسم الجنس الجمعي مثل إبل ونخل وروم وشجر وكلم وموج وورق ويهود الخ
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam يبدو لي انك ما قرات تعريف اسم الجنس الجمعي اللذي كتبته...باختصار نقول ان هذا اسم جنس جمعي ادا كان الفرق بينه وبين المفرد الهاء او الياء
عربي :عرب
تفاحه:تفاح
هذا هو الجنس الجمعي,اما طير فمفرده طائر....ماعلاقته بالجنس الجمعي؟
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 نعم كلمة طيرة موجودة على الرغم من أنها نادرة اليوم مثلا عن أنس بن مالك- رضي اللّه عنه- عن النّبيّ صلّى اللّه عليه وسلّم قال: «لا عدوى ولا طيرة، ويعجبني الفأل». قالوا: وما الفأل؟ قال: «كلمة طيّبة» [البخاري- الفتح 10 (5776). ومسلم (2224) ] .
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam لا ينبغي لك ابدا ان تقول مثل هذا الكلام......هل تريد فقط تؤيد وجهة نظرك حتى لو كانت خطأ!؟ هذا ليست مناقشه بل اصبحت مجادله
طيرة ليست طائر وانما جاءت من كلمة تطير بمعنى تشاؤم
فما علاقتها بالطائر
والحديث يدل على ذلك لا عدوى ولا تشاؤم لان العرب كانو يتشاءمون من بعض الاشياء...
انا هنا للمساعده
mss3331 7 months ago
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discussislam 7 months ago
@mss3331 العرب كانوا يتشاءمون من الطير لذلك استعملوا طائرٌ وطَيْرٌ وطِيَرَة بمعنى التشاؤم كما في القرآن "طائرُكُم مَعَكم" أَي شُؤْمُكم معَكم وفي لسان العرب: "قيل للشُؤْم طائرٌ وطَيْرٌ وطِيَرَة لأَن العرب كان من شأْنها عِيافةُ الطَّيْرِ وزَجْرُها". أما كلمة النحل هل انت تقبل الآن أنها اسم الجنس الجمعي؟ فاذا قبلت هذا اذن قبلت انها يذكر ويؤنث ولذلك هو ليس من الغريب أن كلمة "اتخذي" جائت على صيغة المؤنث وليس هناك أي دليل على أنها تتحدث فقط الى الإناث كما ادّعى هارون يحيى. هل قبلت هذا ام لا؟
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam يجب ان تعترف ان تعترف ان طيرا ليست لها علاقه بطيره اذ ان طيرا جمع لطائر وليس لطيره..
ثانيا انا بحثت في الموضوع ووجدت ان نحل مؤنث ولكنها تذكر احيانا...
ولكن المثير في الموضوع هنا ..لماذا اختار الله الجمع المؤنث ولم يختار الجمع المذكر!
وايضا فان قلنا انها جمع لكان الفعل "اتخذن" وذا كان للجمع المذكر لكان قال "اتخذوا" اذا هنا التركيز على الفرد المؤنث وان دل هذا على شئ فانه يدل على ان المقصود هنا هو النحل المؤنث اللتي وظيفته البحث على العسل....انتهى
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discussislam 7 months ago
@mss3331 لن أجادلك في مسألة طير وطيرة حتى لا أطيل الكلام انا مسرور انك وجدت أن النحل مؤنث ومذكر فهذه هي النقطة الأساسية في الفيديو أما باقي كلامك فهو مسألة رأي وليس مسألة دليل قاطع لا مجالَ للشك فيه كما ادّعى هارون يحيى لكن أسألك سؤال اذا التركيز على الفرد المؤنث يدل على ان المقصود النحل المؤنث هل التركيز على الفرد المذكر يدل على ان المقصود الذكور؟ وَإِنَّ لَكُمْ فِي الْأَنْعَامِ لَعِبْرَةً نُسْقِيكُمْ مِمَّا فِي بُطُونِهِ مِنْ بَيْنِ فَرْثٍ وَدَمٍ لَبَنًا الخ
discussislam 7 months ago
@mss3331 السلام عليكم
HE is confuse between طيرة and طائر so he turned back to the original Question, as the best study ever done shows the word النحل is genitive masculine noun so using the verb feminine shows special divine wisdom of using and choosing words.
link corpus Quran com
there are two about same verses to explain about الأنعام in the Quran....16:66 and 23:21
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
Islam really seems to be proud of its scientific miracles. On the front of the luton sunday paper there was a huge advert for the national release of the quran. It was full of that pretend science bullshit that would attempt to reach out to the rationality of the non muslim lower/middle class. How can I say this with confidence? The back page was covered in testimonial photos, all predominantly white with a gentleman in a turban and a black dude for good measure. What a painfully clear agenda.
NixNihilistEsquire 7 months ago
Allah is a fail - the KU RU ANNNEEEE is fictional written by walt disney - and read by the baddies who always loose in all the walt disney books
GameTrailersHD1 7 months ago
Quran 16.79 is also another failure of the Qur'an. Soaring birds are held up by thermals, as are sailing planes and parasailers. Allah fails meteorology.
akylae101 7 months ago
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In the garden of life, Islam is nothing but a deadly, invasive weed.
Rather than just hoping for peace and harmony in the world, it would be better simply to outlaw the one Satanic evil of Islam.
Come my non muslim brothers and sisters, let us raise our strong voices against this poisonous creed - let us gather the rocks of truth, logic intelligence and reason - for with them as our ammunition, we can stone the illegitimate bastard religion of islam to death.
TheProphetMo 7 months ago
Sorry nut jobs but we knew about honey bees nectar ages before your useless book was written.
inquiry10 7 months ago
well done. another great video!!! harun yahya is such a moron LMAO :D
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Bigpussycat5 7 months ago 4
correction... quran never makes references to the queen or the drones.
Aristotle lived before muhammad and made reference to the worker bees, queen and drones and described them all in more detail.
but muhammad gets credit for effort. his followers to even more credit for trying but a major fail.
Bigpussycat5 7 months ago
We need more videos like this.
KrakkaJax 7 months ago 4
Guys, I really appreciate your videos as they're really very interesting as I don't know that much about Islam.
oliethefolie 7 months ago
So what were Bees called in Arabic before?
annata12 7 months ago
@annata12:
Many of them were called Abdul I think....
Lol!
TheProphetMo 7 months ago
@TheProphetMo I mean it must have been the same word. The word must have already existed in arabic before the Qu'ran. In the greek language Bee was also female, in latin also. In my language german it was also always female.
annata12 7 months ago
@annata12:
Yes I know, but I could not resist a joke.
The word for bee is NAHL (or NAHLA), and it is a feminine word if it is used singularly.
When used in the plural, it becomes masculine.
Hope that helps.
TheProphetMo 7 months ago
@annata12:
Oh and yes, it has been around as long as the Arabic language itself.
It is not a koranic word at all.
In fact there are variations of the word going back to about the 8th century BC, and they originated from the proto-Arabic, Ancient North Arabian, Nabataean and musnad languages of the Middle East.
Hope that helps too.
TheProphetMo 7 months ago
Grasping at grammatical straws to try to convince people it reveals a miracle of scientific knowledge... that is pitifully desparate.
Marchawc 7 months ago
LOL ownage @ bull miracle!
Excellent video has! :)
zombieofgod 7 months ago
Awesome video. I like the point about the bull producing milk..i will use that one if someone brings this miracle up again
captaindisguise 7 months ago 3
good there are now arab creatists this means that logic and reason may start working in the Arab world. You know the lauange is kind one that sounds like it met to be song.
099923257457 7 months ago
Awsome video and awsome argumentation and awsome points.
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 7 months ago
Haha what a fascist religion Islam is. I tried to search about the sick perverted sex life of Mohammed and his rape of Hafsa but it turns out my Islamic state has banned all these sites. FUCK ISLAM FUCK MOHAMMED
CaptainCharismarules 7 months ago
Thank you for your video! It is really great having an Arabic speaking critic of this book speaking out and taking the claims apart. Nicely and thoroughly done!
StopSpamming1 7 months ago
This was real pwnage. Many muslims i have discussed with have used this argument, but haven't seen a lot of pwnage about this. Thanks for giving us the knowledge to defeat this assertion perfectly.
What you are doing is pioneer work, and we should be thankful for having you as a argument helper :).
MardasMan 7 months ago
Malachi 4:2 But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall.
When i was a christian I was told this was a scientific miracle, Since sunlight is what give us vitamin-d and of course that helps our immune system & strengthens our bones ...
You can find things like this in just about any ancient poetic,philosophical religious text.
Obasiliasfilosofos 7 months ago
Why doesn't somebody make a video on the countless 'miracles' in the works of Nostradamas? His 'predictions' are much more 'detailed' and 'precise', in retrospect of course!
derek24hudson 7 months ago
So Allah wanted to prove himself by saying a bee is female rather than informing us about bacteria, viruses and DNA? Wow! What a wise profound asshole!
Judicial78 7 months ago
Harun Yahya is a pervert and a narcissistic egotists, Who has spent time in jail for possession of cocaine and narcotics, Has been in and out of court for various charges including the accusation that he coerced his underage female followers into giving sexual favors to wealthy Turkish businessmen n the hopes of blackmailing them down the road ,He Has on record claimed to be the Mahdi ect..
Obasiliasfilosofos 7 months ago
O5:55 Birds don't fly they are held up by Allah - yet another scientific miracle from Allah!
Excellently researched video.
DontBendOverForAllah 7 months ago
نحووول lol
Btw great video.
spinspermy 7 months ago
If you ever manage to get "milk" from a bull - I would advice against drinking it ;)
TheStigma 7 months ago 2
@TheStigma lol...ewww!
123backinyerface 7 months ago
If they really want to convince the world that the koran is full of scientific knowledge, then they should be looking for things that have yet to be discovered by science.
It would be so much more impressive if they could point to something yet unknown that could be tested and verified. Do they find the koran too ambigous or vague for that - or don't they really believe there's anything to find?
detersgumig 7 months ago
Bravo, thanks you for the video.
That was arabic Maya the Bee opening? I watched the series as a child, this brought back memories. :)
Saukko31 7 months ago
Birds are not held up by "nothing".... wow Allah is pretty stupid for knowing everything and sending an angel to talk muhammad... AND still getting almost everything wrong at every opportunity.
Chibling 7 months ago
@Chibling proves he didnt send one
seonidh 7 months ago
@cembadmins in my native language (Spanish) in the case of the most of animals, they keep their gender regardless the plural (we have a plural male and plural female). However each species have a "fixed" gender. Mosquitos are male and bees are female, however such fix gender does not change in order to refer to an specific sex: the words "male" and "female" are used for that.
But Arabic, of course has other rules.
hedleypanama 7 months ago
BEEEUtifully done. I think its time we exchanged the word bullshit for bullmilk in honour of Yahyah's genius.
CorporalNym 7 months ago
I'm not drinking milk in the Middle-East if they extract it from bulls...
Parabol0086 7 months ago
What an outstanding Refutation!
ONESPECIES 7 months ago
are u stupid...it is not in the bee ...it is in the verb ...the verb show that it is feminine اتخذي" not "اتخذ" the different is "ي" the first one is for feminine the second is the opposite.did u understand this?
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 - I dare you to make a video reply to this stating what you just said.
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam first of all...how dare and how offensive that u name ur account discussislam!?guys do just make account to be offensive?
why did u challenge me...what I wrote is the truth ...do you want to buy it!
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 - Do you have the courage to make a video to challenge this video? I bet you don't.
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam I ask you...did u convince from my answer ?
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 - No it's nonsense. كلمة "اتخذي" مؤنث لأن النحل مؤنث - انت لا بد ان تراجع قواعد اللغة
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam who said that!>>كلمة اتخذي تدل على التانيث
اما النحل فهو جمع لكلمة نحله..هل فهمت؟
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 - Did you actually watch the video? Did you see the quotes from Tafseers? This is just one of them:
النَّحل يذكَّر ويؤنث على قاعدة أسماء الأجناس، فالتأنيث فيها لغة الحجاز، ولذلك أنثها الله - تعالى
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam هل القران نزل على لغة اهل الحجاز؟
حتى ولو..هل يدل على ان القران خطاء!
mss3331 7 months ago
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discussislam 7 months ago
@mss3331 هذه ليست مسألة صواب أو خطأ في القرآن ، هذا الفيديو فقط يظهرزيف ادعاء هارون يحيا بان هناك معجزة النحل في القران ، يمكنك أن تؤمن بما تريد ، أنا كنت مسلما وعندي عائلة مسلمة وأنا أؤيد حقهم وحقك في الإيمان بما تريد ولكن الشيء الوحيد الذي لا يعجبني هو الكذب ، اذا يقوم شخص بإدعاءات بان في القرآن معجزات علمية كهارون يحيا مثلا ينبغي أن يفضح كذبه وخداعه على الناس
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam كنت مسلم..يعني انت الان ماذا؟
mss3331 7 months ago
@mss3331 لاديني في رأي الأديان كلها خرافات
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam انت جبان نذل تهرب من المناظرات .. وهناك من يدفع لك لتدعى انك مسلم سابق ,, ولكن ردود الشبهات تزيد يومآ بعد يوم وسوف نفضحك اكثر وأكثر عما قريب يا مزور
Fahd4Cool 7 months ago
@Fahd4Cool بدلا من الهجمات على شخصيتي ناقش الموضوع ، هل تعتقد أيضا أن تأنيث الفعل هو يعني ان النحل لا بد ان تكون إناثا فقط؟ انظر الي الآية التالية: أَفَلَا يَنْظُرُونَ إِلَى الْإِبِلِ كَيْفَ خُلِقَتْ ، هل تعتقد ان الإبل التي خلقها الله كانت إناثا فقط؟
discussislam 7 months ago
@discussislam Done:
watch?v=9RtiefJ0RSs
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
@orgolioitalia1 - Do you realise your video response just repeats the claim debunked? Did you understand the video? The verbs are feminine because an-Nahl is feminine. Do you really think that if a verb or pronoun is feminine it means the subject is female? Didn't you see the examples of feminine verbs and pronouns that are obviously not only referring to females - or do you think Allah only holds female birds up in the sky? Try to understand a video properly before responding next time.
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
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So you are saying * an-Nahl is feminine*and in your other comment on your video you said they are both: كلها تثبت بأن كلمة النحل اسم الجنس الجمعي يعني هي تطلق على الجنس كله الذكر والأنثى
Do you are not contradicting yourself?
Now there are opinions between scholars and deep accurate study shows that the word is:
****genitive masculine noun****look the site, corpus Quran com, open to humanity, to study in deep the Quranic terms.
Switching verbs to feminine shows (continua)
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
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it is not the human speech, and also indicates the entire cycle of female bees, the only work done by drone bees is to mate the queen and BTW again your claim become false about choosing means the hive because the hive depend on queen bee "If she is unable to fly for several days because of bad weather and remains unmated, she will become a "drone layer." Drone-laying queens usually signal the death of the colony”. Source WIKI
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
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@CEMBadmins 3
Googl also.
Animal Facts - Bees
Most of the bees in the colony are worker bees. Workers are the smallest bees in the colony. They are sexually undeveloped females produced from fertilized eggs. They build and repair the hive, search for nectar and pollen, produce wax and honey, feed the queen and larvae and protect the hive against enemies. The life span of worker bees depend on the time of year. Most worker bees live about 28 to 35 days....
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
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Drones are male bees without stingers. They are developed from unfertilized eggs, produced by the queen by withholding sperm. Their sole purpose is to mate with the queen. They don't collect food or pollen from flowers. If the colony is short on food, drones are often kicked out of the hive. They usually live about 6 months.
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
@mss3331 The User CEMBadmins is telling a lie ABOUT verse his wish is fulfilled about video:
watch?v=9RtiefJ0RSs
orgolioitalia1 7 months ago
@orgolioitalia1 yes..it is done.
mss3331 7 months ago
LIE LIE LIE ........ only one target CONVERT !!
AkkiSantana 7 months ago
Wow, an Arabic version of the Maya the Bee. What is she called in Arabic?
So, Harun Yahya is confusing grammatical gender with physical gender.
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden - Zeyna :) My daughter used to love that cartoon :)
discussislam 7 months ago
fan fucking tastic :)
TheRationalizer 7 months ago
I wonder which tit I have to pull to get bull-milk... :-O
RoadRunnerLaser 7 months ago
Every time I see you've made a video it makes me happy, please make more! Anyhow Harun is a riot! But to be fair I have seen some Muslims themselves laugh him off.
BusinessEdgeRadio 7 months ago
well-done..
atheer2002 7 months ago
What you are doing is so important. We need Arab speaking ex-Muslims to help us non Arab Atheists to fight the Muslims. In arguments with a Muslim doing his dawa, he will always try to use Arabic to confuse. He cant do that vs you.
FrozenPetrolPie 7 months ago 67
@FrozenPetrolPie Why would you fight the muslims? You have to fight the intolarent ones. true, but there is no need to fight them all.
Ranokian 7 months ago
@Ranokian Yeah, true. Fight the intolerant ones. I'm not really against moderate believers. I don't agree with them, but they don't bother me so I don't bother them.
FrozenPetrolPie 7 months ago
@FrozenPetrolPie as an arabic speaking ex-muslim, we need your help as well. The language argument that muslims use is only to get rid of non-arab-speaking criticism with one sweep, it's weak and dishonest. the quran can be translated and understood in any language.
TheDude82x 7 months ago
@TheDude82x Totally true. I just had a argument with a Muslim. He dared me to point out any error in the Quran. I pointed out several errors to him. He then tried to dismiss the errors as translation problems. Its so frustrating
Yes we atheists world wide need to help each other
FrozenPetrolPie 7 months ago
@FrozenPetrolPie - It's astonishing how even when the facts are right before their eyes they cannot see it. orgolioitalia1's video response simply repeats the Harun Yahya claim I debunked, while mss3331 is using the old "you don't understand Arabic" even though I do lol and he can't grasp the simple fact that a feminine verb simply doesn't mean the subject must be female and so he keeps repeating the same thing. Sometimes I feel it's just a waste of time debating. Faith just blinds people.
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins Good clear scientific response and irrefutable proof to all those fake hoaxes brought in to this world by pathological liars like Zakir Naik .
hourifromparadise 7 months ago
@CEMBadmins Haha yes! mss3331 is the Muslim I was referring to. I had gathered some 40+ errors in the Quran for him. He never even got past the first one. I'm still waiting for his reply, I don't think I will get one from that guy. I think he is moving on to a more easy target.
Before he left me alone, I warned him. I told him to not use the old "you don't understand Arabic" bit, because I have fellow atheists that I can turn to who DO speak Arabic.
Thank you
FrozenPetrolPie 7 months ago
thanks
staykovichdok 7 months ago