Shorinjiryu Kenkokan Karate kata and Kumite demo

[Carl2]

You missed the second leasson of karate: self defense. Karate is made for self defense not full contact tournements. Most that say they are don't hit to the head, and that is unrealistic. When both individuals hands come up in a fight position it goes from self defense to a fight cause they both are expecting it. I ddin't mean to say your sensei wasn't good just saying he maybe be teaching you something besides what he would teach his own family.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 well my friend i am very confident in my abillity to defend myself and to teach competent self defence to my students. to develope realistic techniques and stratagies they must be tested in the most realistic way possible to truely develop the concepts. I have been to okinawa young karateka and was there with sensei hisataka teaching some of the okinawan federations how to use koshiki to develop there fighting skills because okinawan training is mostly based on forms training and makiwara

[Carl2]

@Torontokoshiki Those Okinawans will kill you in a fight.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 to cont, gone are the days of samurai attacking them in the streets..many of the okinawan senseis are using a more modern way of training . a true budoka knows the importance of testing oneself in battle hence competition. however this is just a way of testing and refining what works. training has many facets from the kata and kumite to nage waza and goshin jitsu, also hard contact bogu training which is like makiwara. instead of talking you should test yourself like a real budoka should.

[Carl2]

@Torontokoshiki Competition is limited to a mutually excepted destruction with rules. What works in competition doesn't work in real life. Overly refined moves will get you hurt, and over aggressiveness will get you put in jail if you do live. I do karate cause I enjoy it not to just go around winning competitions. I have seen and competed with alot of individuals who won and looked like shit doing it. Also I have seen more then a dozen people do probelly the best and get hosed.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 The reason that your competition techniques dont translate in real life is because the tournaments you do are non contact, and dont replicate real life situations. this is not a shot against you just the reality of it. You dont think an MMA fighter can defend himself in the street? Its not about how you look its your abillity to take the techniques you know and apply them to real life. The only difference between a full contact fight and the street is the ellement of supprise

[Carl2]

@Torontokoshiki MMA sucks cause I seen serveral times they get poked in the eyes and kicked in the nuts and ball up like lil bitches. The first UFC broadcasts a bareknuckle fighter for 20 years got his nose busted and beat easy.MMA is like professional football they get paid to much to take risks like they would for their life. I don't do protisipate in competition sparring. If ya katas look like shit ya fighting will be naturelly alot less effective on average. Ya kata sucks, you suck.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 as most people that dont actually fight, you know very little about fighting. My kata may suck according to your criteria but yours is also very bad by my criteria. Kata is only one aspect of karate and is designed to help one improve ones basic techniques. we also use bogu so that techniques can be practised with full contact on a moving target. who's techniques do you think will be more effective,the ones you practice in the air or ones that are done on a real target with hard contact

[Torontokoshiki]

cont, your katas are done one way and mine are done another with a different focus, are you so small and narrow minded that you have to bash anything that is different from what you know? If you keep this attitude you will never understand karatedo or what it has to teach you. maybe if you did test yourself properly you would not need to prove something on youtube. and lastly either english is not your 1st language or you need to learn to speak and write properly because you are barely literate

[Carl2]

@Torontokoshiki I only got "x" amout of characters to work with here bud. I posted my katas so if a student has the want to look it up and pick it up on their own; as a result, I know they are worth my time to help them more. The spirit of the thing does lead me. It tells me you look like crap, act like crap, that what your doing is crap, and how bad demos really are. Tell the queen I said, Hi. Bye

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 like i thought you will never learn..keep doing your pussy karate and enjoy..you need to actually accomplish something before you can talk to me..im tired of you now so consider yourself blocked!

[Carl2]

Whats worse is I seen better TKD from 10yr olds. lol

[hinerizuke]

@Carl2 Really ... all karate is full contact ... what are you smokin??? where are your fight videos??ever actually been in a fight?? I,ll tell ya one thing , smart money would not be on you against the person your bashin here!!!Trust me :)

[Carl2]

@hinerizuke ...I don't go around fighting, and I don't have fight videos. Karate is for fighting. We just over the years of missed understood it for something else. Anyone can kick anyones butt at any time reguardless of who they are.

[Carl2]

Ok smartass, all karate is full contact. Shotokan went from Okinawian to a PE/style for Japanese and Okinawian education system. To say a closed fist style or open handed is not a full contact style...let me hit you. Ueichi ryu and Goju ryu must be ridgid styles for you then cause you have no Kime, no focus point. Hisataka family must be teaching you bullshit, or just excepting you just lack.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 the styles you mention are NOT full contact no matter how much you think they are. Full contact means that you fight each other full contact which is not the case for most karate except Kyokushinkai, Daido Juku or Shorinjiryu Kenkokan which created the Koshiki tournament system..educate yourself first and read some other comments of real karateka from around the world. Look up hisataka who is my direct sensei befor you talk. and lastly you have missed the first lesson in karate..manners!

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2 the styles you mention are NOT full contact no matter how much you think they are. Full contact means that you fight each other full contact which is not the case for most karate except Kyokushinkai, Daido Juku or Shorinjiryu Kenkokan which created the Koshiki tournament system..educate yourself first and read some other comments of real karateka from around the world. Look up hisataka who is my direct sensei befor you talk. and lastly you have missed the first lesson in karate..manners!

[Carl2]

dude ur retarded and thats not shorin ryu, its not karate, its stupid crap...watch my videos... my hand has more karate then ur whole body.. i am tried of seeing shit like this in person and on youtube

[Torontokoshiki]

@Carl2, first you must learn to read..this is not shorin ryu its shorinjiryu kenkokan of the Hisataka family its a very different style..It is also a full contact style unlike your style which is a non contact style. I watched your videos and your kata is ok but still the typical ridgid kata of most typical karate styles. Shorinjiryu technique is more fluid and focuses on movement and full body extension. You must try not to judge what you dont understand..Keep practising you have much to learn.

[mpqz33]

And there are not many styles in the world that can boast that. I practice it myself in the land down under under Hisataka and I really think if you havent tried it? Why come in here posting shit. Your probably a Kick boxer who knows 1 punch 1 kick and gets in pub brawls. Another statistic is all you shall be my friend

[mpqz33]

I think the Idea @Zero2562130 with Shorinjiryu and any martial arts is that it is a environment in which to practice the martial ways physical and mental. Self defence is another art on its own and I can tell you from working doors and behind the par at Australia's roughest pub it doesnt matter what you practice it comes down to awareness and the ability to carry out a technique. For those who nothing of it, Shorinjiryu is a COMPLETE style in that it has ground, kata, bunkai, full contactspar

[ckhthd]

Styles don't win or lose fights; people do. while this style is certainly not something I would do, who knows how someone might be able to make it work. Personally, I think there are a lot of openings. BTW offering "challenges" on the internet looks pretty stupid and does not speak well for the organization

[Zero2562130]

Lol, this style's retarded.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Zero2562130 ou have no videos so your just another youtube expert. Our style fights full contact..your welcome to try yourself and see how retarded it is. or is your only technique talking trash online

[Zero2562130]

@Torontokoshiki It doesn't matter if it has full contact; the point is that if you were to use this shit in real life, you'd get your ass handed to you. The stances and moves themselves are ridiculous enough, the last thing it needs is full contact. Besides, the people here barely touched each other. What kind of "full-contact" is that? Just the idea of kicking with your heel like that is more than enough to make you lose in a fight.

[Torontokoshiki]

@Zero2562130 you are obviously without any litigimate knowledge on this subject or any martial arts. so I will waste no more time on you unless you give me the opportunity in person and I will give you a free lesson in shorinjiryu kenkokan and koshiki karate.

[ryu1036]

@Zero2562130 ur a retarded mother fucker. if u dont get the point of martial arts dont comment. ive been doing this style for 11 yrs so far and it has made me a good fighter. ive been in a situation where i was held at knife point in real life nd i won the fight. seriously. the point of these fighting forms and katas is to build explosive power to punch nd kick harder nd faster. contact sparring is where the real life situations are practiced nd perfected.

[spencerbeveridge]

is this sensi jackman?

[maybjj]

@spencerbeveridge

no, it is sensei jackass.....he is a very angry guy...

[blugularis]

Is this the same style, as:

Ogasawara-Ha Shorinji-Ryu Karatedo

(Sakugawa Koshiki Shorinji-Ryu Karatedo)

Or is it a different style, similar, or...? anyone know?

[JustMegz16]

hi there, thx for the question..this is not the style you have mentioned. it is Called Shorinji ryu Kenkokan Karatedo. It is the style that was developed by the Hisataka Family. Look at my videos and you will see a dedication video to the Head of the style, who is the son of the founder.

cheers

[blugularis]

Yes, I have the Hisataka book, and got interested in this style, and am looking for more information about it, particularly looking for DVD/videos. It reminds me of Shorinji Kempo, then later I found that Doshen So, also studied from the same man that HIsataka studied from? It seems to be a blend of Okinawan and Shorinji Kempo? I really like it, seems more real life fighting.

[spencerbeveridge]

i dont know im in the shorinjiryu kentokukan karatedo and there is a similar style called shorinjiryu kenkokan karatedo

spencer beveridge

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spencer

[Dustkicker009]

The first few seconds was Nijushiho Kata

[mushaman999]

I used to that Karate style 15 years ago! I moved on after I recieved my shodan to start up Bujinkan ninpo taijutsu. Very nice demo and really good kime! Brings back cool memmories. Thanks for posting the demo.

[CrazyDeidara]

where i can wind blue belt kata? i need for exsams ;(

[Torontokoshiki]

what is the name of the kata you are looking for? and for what style?

[CrazyDeidara]

ty but my friend give my

[1holybladex]

this is the way of the nothern shaolin temple right pardon my eglish im japanese

[Torontokoshiki]

thats what the name translates to but it only signifies past origins. This is the style of the Hisataka family.

thanks

[UnforseenBlade]

@Torontokoshiki Yes i take part in Aussie Shorin Jiyru and find it is a complete style with everything in it, ground work, punching, kicking, disarms, throws, weapons. I aslo came first in my division at Inverell, NSW this year, i have met Hanchi Hisataka and he is a very kind man and has devoted much of his life to this art, so all haters if u would please fuck off as you obviously no nothing about this art, if you do not like it, do not watch it, and please do not bother commenting.

[yayayayayayaya]

This is Hisataka's Shorinjiryu, which is very unique and different from other Shorinjiryu schools. In the Hisataka-style, you throw punches and kicks with complete follow-through motions. This style seems to work very well for the performer, who has long limbs.

[rufflesal]

This is definately Shorinjiryu. I recognise the katas (nijushiho) and other techniques. Also the gi with the colored stripes on the sleaves is Shorinjiryu.

[Michelenergy]

This is definitely Shorinjiryu!!!!

There's a picture of Kori Hisataka, the founder of Shorinjiryu on the wall in the background!

The katas and kumites are very apparent to someone who has studied that style -- of which I am a shodan! ;-)

[Tigre69]

This looks more like Taekwon Do

[Torontokoshiki]

what do you base this on. These kata and Kumite look nothing like Taekwondo

[Tigre69]

The way they move and kick. I have a friend who is an ITF practicioner and the movements looks kind of similar. I practice Shorinji Ryu Renshinkan, and have also seem other form of Shorinji Ryu and have never seem something similar to what you are doing

[lobonegro4]

Out of the two major organizations of TKD the ITF is the one that must closely follows the karate approach to technique execution. Where as WTF the Olympic style has become more dynamic and therefore change their techniques more to suit them for their competition tournaments.

[Tigre69]

Thanks, very interesting. I have a friend who is a ITF practitioner and I've seen him spar and you can tell the difference from WTF

[lobonegro4]

Well to say the least, I heard that the ITF and the WTF were in talks to unite both organizations, but I don't know how is going to play with the politics of North and South Korea.

[angelfacey]

EXCELLENT PAUL!

real talent.

bev

[dejathorus]

Nice

[SonofRaizen]

awesome !!