@porty500 There are many sources you can go to, others who have jumped on you have given you that.You are just so narrow-mined & so stubborn, & refuse to be corrected.
There isn't a Supplement Type Cert., Airworthy Cert. or Flight Manual or Maintenance Manual (all of which published by FAA, Douglas & USAF), or any photos out there for the A-26 that indicates 4-blade props & you just refuse to accept the REAL experts!
I didn't give you ONE example. Take all your information you are trying to prove & talk to the folks at the following:
A-26 Legacy Foundation
USAF Museum
Pima Air Museum
Jimmy Doolittle Museum
All are examples all w/3blades
40 Vietnam A-26Ks where built-10 stateside-30 in combat & of those, 12 were lost, the other 18 returned stateside-all 30+ stored at Davis-Monthan AFB. A photo from D-M AFB shows ALL with 3 Blade props. Tell your Vietnam experts Mr. Tom & Jane to do RESEARCH!
@ILSRWY4 Found photos of a-26's with 3 and others with 4 blade props. Pretty much the 3 blade with the power setup I had was not delivering all that much power and couldn't go larger diameter without hacking into the fuse. Color scheme is just what it came with you can send complaints for paint scheme and the guns to ASM. Ya a-26 scale nazi. Hehehe. I was going to leave the guns off and replicate one that had a cannon that basically came off a Sherman tank.
@traxxas76 If you are talking models I understand the 3 blade vs.4 blade-if you are talking the REAL A-26 Invader I can assure you there no A-26 In the world that has 4 bladed props.Don't get confused with the other B-26, the "Marauder" That was a different airplane and had 4 bladed props.
I can say this with validity-I'm a Historian on the Invader, own several sources, tech manuals and the original flight manuals to the real A-26 B/C/K/A models & I am a former mechanic (A/P) on the airplane!!
For a start the XA-26F was propelled by 4 bladed props, although it was a prototype, not a full production aircraft.
Secondly the propellor company Nash-Kelvinator holds records which details sales and production runs of 4 bladed propellers for the A-26 so someone, somewhere was fitting them.
The deal to manufacture 8564 four bladed propellers for both A26 fighter bombers and corsair aircraft was signed in March 1944, first delivery Sept 1944.
@porty500 This topic started because a modeler made a PRODUCTION model with 4-blade props. A response was made that NO production aircraft had 4 blade props ANYWHERE- therefore your XF-26A is a mute point since only 1 was made, later crapped. Don't know your source, but I can assure you NO Nash-Kelvinator 4 blade props ever made it to the Pacific or Europe. I'm 84 yrs old & worked on A26 in both theaters never, ever seeing or hear of such 4 bladed props. Every photo in any archive supports that!
Quote.. 'By the time it was fighting in Viet Nam, it sprouted wingtip fuel tanks, more powerful versions of the R-2800, four-bladed props, new avionics and other new systems, but it was still looked like the Invader that first flew in the '40s.' Tom Griffiths. Jane's fighting aircraft series.
@porty500 You're quite the idiot? Stop being misinformed & go to the right sources- GO to the National Museum of the United States Air Force site. Look up B-26K(A-26A) Counter Invader from Vietnam war. Look at the REAL AIRCRAFT ON DISPLAY! When your done read this quote form USAF Flight Manual T.O. 1A-26A-1 dated Sept. 1 1969, pg. 1-9 "the engines drive Hamilton-Standard hydromatic, 3-blade, constant speed, full reverse, feathering propellers" The real expert is the REAL aircraft at the Museum!
@porty500 Do you even have 1/2 a fucking Brain! I said there were only 3 A-26 production models: B/C & K. The "K" was the Counter Invader your stupid experts are referring to & if they had a fucking brain all they have to do is go to the United States Air Force Museum website & LOOK at a REAL COMBAT VETERAN from that war. I don't think the USAF is going to get it wrong! If you Believe dumb-fuck Tom over the Pilots, Crews, engineers & the USAF Museum's REAL example- than your a genuine shithead!
@es44ac2 Hey I saw you just posted! I thought I respond- If only "porty500" get his head out of his ass & look out side it! Amazing how people "INSIST" they are right- no matter how much you show them true evidence! There's an old saying- "do you believe everything you read in books?" I'd rather believe the people (the eye witnesses) & the actual equipment that I've worked around for more that 40 years!
Thanks for proving what an ignorant, foulmouthed halfwit you really are.
When someone who quite clearly needs to make a point using abuse and a tirade of other foul language clearly shows you lack a brain which boasts any significant IQ. Quite obviously the school you attended forgot the grammar side of your written english lessons.
And one single example in a museum proves the many ooo's made all had 3 blade props... yeah okay Einstein...
Flight Manual UASF Series B-26B, B-26C, Tech.Order 1-B-26B-1, 1 June 1963
Section 1 "Description" page 1-2 quote:
"Engines: The aircraft is powered by two Pratt-Whitney R-2800-27, -71 or -79, Radial, 18-cylinder, double row, air cooled and drive 3 blade, Hamilton-Standard-Hydromatic, constant-speed, full feather propllers."
@porty500 So what es44ac2 used profanity! You have no brain cause you shoot off your mouth before thinking.. Einstein? You're the one who quoted the experts about the Vietnam A26 with 4 blade props? FYI,They only made 40 of those Vietnam types. Its pretty easy to document 40 aircraft, say, as appose to 4000 aircraft.Every single one of those 40 are photographically recorded either at the aircraft graveyard at Davis-Monthan AFB, or in museums, books & at the A-26 Legacy Foundation. Grow up!
@porty500 Whats wrong w/you? Jane's is a general ref. covering 1000s of airplanes in many facets, littered w/misinformation. That's the problem with relying on any 1 source as the "expert" source.The book I mentioned is dedicated to the subject.I Also suggest you go to the United States Air Force Museum read about the Vietnam A26 & go to the A-26 Legacy Foundation which was started by former pilots, crews & engineers who have restored the worlds last flying Vietnam A-26. ALL have 3 blades.
I have nearly 60 books dedicated to the Supermarine Spitfire, all written by the worlds foremost experts, but we are still getting new pictures, new field mod reports which were once thought to be myth. Just because a book dedicates itself to a single aircraft doesn't mean it is gospel to the nth degree.
As for the Nash-Kelvinator contract, it was only cancelled because the war had come to an end, with a total of 4972 props manufactured up to that point.
@porty500 A contract for 7703 A-26s was signed, the 1st being delivered in Sept.'43. But that contract was canceled at wars end, after only 2256 were built. The same is true for Nash-Kelvinator. Funny how you omitted the part of the records of NK being canceled. The company only "agreed" to make 4 blades A-26s but production was switch in favor of the Corsair after Douglas settle on 3 blades. The 4 blade had too large an arc & body clearance was a concern. None ever reached the A-26 invader.
@porty500 Read "Douglas A-26" by Scott Thompson.The Most complete & definitive ref. material on A26.Nearly 1000 photos document it in every theater,every facet & every conversion.Pages 172-182 list all 2256 A-26s (prototype,production & civilian conversion ever built) listed by Douglas s/n, contract s/n, AAF s/n, & delivery date.I have interviewed hundreds of pilots, mechanics, engineers & crew in my 45 yrs experience, & every book or photo: 4 blades (excluding XA-26F) are just not there-Period!
@porty500 You don't understand Military Designation.When airplanes are modified, it receives a model designation, i.e. F4U-1 Corsair had a 3 blade prop while the F4U-4 had a 4 blade.The F-4C Phantom was the same as F-4D but the D had better avionics. F-4D & F-4J were same but the J had upgraded engines, etc.There were only 3 A-26 production models: B/C & K. & 3 prototypes: D/E & F. All 6 examples had 3 blades. Had there been a 4 bladed version there would have been another letter designation!
@porty500 Any text U read on Nash-Kelvinator is referencing the fact that it was going to be selected on A26s "thought" to have been made with 4 blades in the future (i.e.XA-26F). But the larger 4 blade had too close a clearance w/body. A smaller 1 w/smaller chord blades would be needed.It was decided that the original 3 blade-w/smaller arc but broader chord was best & that is the 1 that was ever selected. The chord was broadened even more on the Vietnam version. All production a/c had 3 blades
I think you leaned the engines too much. When you tune them you should always leave em a bit rich so you see a bit of smoke...oh, wait, it's electric? Nevermind. That was pilot fucking error all the way.
Definatly pilot error. The plane didn't feel like it had enough power but the little devil on my shoulder said GO FOR IT. I was having a heck of a time matching prop and motors. Most of the props that were recommended were too large and hitting the plane so not my best work but gave it a shot.
I hear ya- been there done that. You know what they say- don't fly em if you don't want to crash em. I look forward to seeing video of her rebuilt and tearing holes in the sky (not the ground).
Ya'll are too much.
traxxas76 7 months ago
You guys are cracking me up.
traxxas76 7 months ago
You guys are cracking me up.
traxxas76 7 months ago
@porty500 There are many sources you can go to, others who have jumped on you have given you that.You are just so narrow-mined & so stubborn, & refuse to be corrected.
There isn't a Supplement Type Cert., Airworthy Cert. or Flight Manual or Maintenance Manual (all of which published by FAA, Douglas & USAF), or any photos out there for the A-26 that indicates 4-blade props & you just refuse to accept the REAL experts!
ILSRWY4 7 months ago
@porty500
I didn't give you ONE example. Take all your information you are trying to prove & talk to the folks at the following:
A-26 Legacy Foundation
USAF Museum
Pima Air Museum
Jimmy Doolittle Museum
All are examples all w/3blades
40 Vietnam A-26Ks where built-10 stateside-30 in combat & of those, 12 were lost, the other 18 returned stateside-all 30+ stored at Davis-Monthan AFB. A photo from D-M AFB shows ALL with 3 Blade props. Tell your Vietnam experts Mr. Tom & Jane to do RESEARCH!
es44ac2 7 months ago
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ILSRWY4 10 months ago
@ILSRWY4 Found photos of a-26's with 3 and others with 4 blade props. Pretty much the 3 blade with the power setup I had was not delivering all that much power and couldn't go larger diameter without hacking into the fuse. Color scheme is just what it came with you can send complaints for paint scheme and the guns to ASM. Ya a-26 scale nazi. Hehehe. I was going to leave the guns off and replicate one that had a cannon that basically came off a Sherman tank.
traxxas76 10 months ago
@traxxas76 If you are talking models I understand the 3 blade vs.4 blade-if you are talking the REAL A-26 Invader I can assure you there no A-26 In the world that has 4 bladed props.Don't get confused with the other B-26, the "Marauder" That was a different airplane and had 4 bladed props.
I can say this with validity-I'm a Historian on the Invader, own several sources, tech manuals and the original flight manuals to the real A-26 B/C/K/A models & I am a former mechanic (A/P) on the airplane!!
ILSRWY4 10 months ago
@ILSRWY4
Incorrect.
For a start the XA-26F was propelled by 4 bladed props, although it was a prototype, not a full production aircraft.
Secondly the propellor company Nash-Kelvinator holds records which details sales and production runs of 4 bladed propellers for the A-26 so someone, somewhere was fitting them.
The deal to manufacture 8564 four bladed propellers for both A26 fighter bombers and corsair aircraft was signed in March 1944, first delivery Sept 1944.
porty500 7 months ago
@porty500 This topic started because a modeler made a PRODUCTION model with 4-blade props. A response was made that NO production aircraft had 4 blade props ANYWHERE- therefore your XF-26A is a mute point since only 1 was made, later crapped. Don't know your source, but I can assure you NO Nash-Kelvinator 4 blade props ever made it to the Pacific or Europe. I'm 84 yrs old & worked on A26 in both theaters never, ever seeing or hear of such 4 bladed props. Every photo in any archive supports that!
26Invader 7 months ago
@26Invader
Quote.. 'By the time it was fighting in Viet Nam, it sprouted wingtip fuel tanks, more powerful versions of the R-2800, four-bladed props, new avionics and other new systems, but it was still looked like the Invader that first flew in the '40s.' Tom Griffiths. Jane's fighting aircraft series.
Just quoting the experts.....
porty500 7 months ago
@porty500 You're quite the idiot? Stop being misinformed & go to the right sources- GO to the National Museum of the United States Air Force site. Look up B-26K(A-26A) Counter Invader from Vietnam war. Look at the REAL AIRCRAFT ON DISPLAY! When your done read this quote form USAF Flight Manual T.O. 1A-26A-1 dated Sept. 1 1969, pg. 1-9 "the engines drive Hamilton-Standard hydromatic, 3-blade, constant speed, full reverse, feathering propellers" The real expert is the REAL aircraft at the Museum!
26Invader 7 months ago
@porty500 Do you even have 1/2 a fucking Brain! I said there were only 3 A-26 production models: B/C & K. The "K" was the Counter Invader your stupid experts are referring to & if they had a fucking brain all they have to do is go to the United States Air Force Museum website & LOOK at a REAL COMBAT VETERAN from that war. I don't think the USAF is going to get it wrong! If you Believe dumb-fuck Tom over the Pilots, Crews, engineers & the USAF Museum's REAL example- than your a genuine shithead!
es44ac2 7 months ago 3
@es44ac2 Hey I saw you just posted! I thought I respond- If only "porty500" get his head out of his ass & look out side it! Amazing how people "INSIST" they are right- no matter how much you show them true evidence! There's an old saying- "do you believe everything you read in books?" I'd rather believe the people (the eye witnesses) & the actual equipment that I've worked around for more that 40 years!
ILSRWY4 7 months ago
@es44ac2
Thanks for proving what an ignorant, foulmouthed halfwit you really are.
When someone who quite clearly needs to make a point using abuse and a tirade of other foul language clearly shows you lack a brain which boasts any significant IQ. Quite obviously the school you attended forgot the grammar side of your written english lessons.
And one single example in a museum proves the many ooo's made all had 3 blade props... yeah okay Einstein...
porty500 7 months ago
@porty500 World War II:
U.S. Army, Flight Manual, AF Model A-26, AN 01-40AJ-1 10 January 1945
"Description", Page 6 quote:
"Propellers: Three-Blade (12 feet-7 inches in diameter), constant-speed, full-feathering, Hydromatic, Hamilton-Standard"
26Invader 7 months ago
@porty500
The A-26 Invader was redesigned "B-26" after the "Martin B-26 Marauder" was retired after WWII.
Korea Conflict:
USAF B-26 (A-26) Fight Manual, AN 01-40AJ-1 Revised 23 July 1953: AF model B-26B A-26C, Navy Model JD-1.
Section 1, "Description" Page 2 quote:
"The engines are equipped with Hamilton-Standard, Hydromatic, constant-speed, 3-blade, quick-feather propellers..."
26Invader 7 months ago
@porty500
Vietnam War:
1963-1966
Flight Manual UASF Series B-26B, B-26C, Tech.Order 1-B-26B-1, 1 June 1963
Section 1 "Description" page 1-2 quote:
"Engines: The aircraft is powered by two Pratt-Whitney R-2800-27, -71 or -79, Radial, 18-cylinder, double row, air cooled and drive 3 blade, Hamilton-Standard-Hydromatic, constant-speed, full feather propllers."
26Invader 7 months ago
@porty500 So what es44ac2 used profanity! You have no brain cause you shoot off your mouth before thinking.. Einstein? You're the one who quoted the experts about the Vietnam A26 with 4 blade props? FYI,They only made 40 of those Vietnam types. Its pretty easy to document 40 aircraft, say, as appose to 4000 aircraft.Every single one of those 40 are photographically recorded either at the aircraft graveyard at Davis-Monthan AFB, or in museums, books & at the A-26 Legacy Foundation. Grow up!
IAIS510 7 months ago
@porty500 Whats wrong w/you? Jane's is a general ref. covering 1000s of airplanes in many facets, littered w/misinformation. That's the problem with relying on any 1 source as the "expert" source.The book I mentioned is dedicated to the subject.I Also suggest you go to the United States Air Force Museum read about the Vietnam A26 & go to the A-26 Legacy Foundation which was started by former pilots, crews & engineers who have restored the worlds last flying Vietnam A-26. ALL have 3 blades.
ILSRWY4 7 months ago
@ILSRWY4
I have nearly 60 books dedicated to the Supermarine Spitfire, all written by the worlds foremost experts, but we are still getting new pictures, new field mod reports which were once thought to be myth. Just because a book dedicates itself to a single aircraft doesn't mean it is gospel to the nth degree.
As for the Nash-Kelvinator contract, it was only cancelled because the war had come to an end, with a total of 4972 props manufactured up to that point.
porty500 7 months ago
@porty500 Vietnam War:
1966-1969 (retired to Davis-Monthan AFB 1972)
Flight Manual USAF Series A-26A Aircraft (On-Mark), Tech. Order 1A-26A-1 (Formally T.O. 1B-26K-1), 18 February 1966, Change 6: 1 September 1969. Section 1 "Description" page 1-9 quote
"The engines drive Hamilton-Standard, Hydromatic, three blade, constant speed, reversible, full feathering propellers."
26Invader 7 months ago
@porty500 A contract for 7703 A-26s was signed, the 1st being delivered in Sept.'43. But that contract was canceled at wars end, after only 2256 were built. The same is true for Nash-Kelvinator. Funny how you omitted the part of the records of NK being canceled. The company only "agreed" to make 4 blades A-26s but production was switch in favor of the Corsair after Douglas settle on 3 blades. The 4 blade had too large an arc & body clearance was a concern. None ever reached the A-26 invader.
ILSRWY4 7 months ago
@porty500 Read "Douglas A-26" by Scott Thompson.The Most complete & definitive ref. material on A26.Nearly 1000 photos document it in every theater,every facet & every conversion.Pages 172-182 list all 2256 A-26s (prototype,production & civilian conversion ever built) listed by Douglas s/n, contract s/n, AAF s/n, & delivery date.I have interviewed hundreds of pilots, mechanics, engineers & crew in my 45 yrs experience, & every book or photo: 4 blades (excluding XA-26F) are just not there-Period!
ILSRWY4 7 months ago 12
@porty500 You don't understand Military Designation.When airplanes are modified, it receives a model designation, i.e. F4U-1 Corsair had a 3 blade prop while the F4U-4 had a 4 blade.The F-4C Phantom was the same as F-4D but the D had better avionics. F-4D & F-4J were same but the J had upgraded engines, etc.There were only 3 A-26 production models: B/C & K. & 3 prototypes: D/E & F. All 6 examples had 3 blades. Had there been a 4 bladed version there would have been another letter designation!
es44ac2 7 months ago
@porty500 Any text U read on Nash-Kelvinator is referencing the fact that it was going to be selected on A26s "thought" to have been made with 4 blades in the future (i.e.XA-26F). But the larger 4 blade had too close a clearance w/body. A smaller 1 w/smaller chord blades would be needed.It was decided that the original 3 blade-w/smaller arc but broader chord was best & that is the 1 that was ever selected. The chord was broadened even more on the Vietnam version. All production a/c had 3 blades
BNSF5675 7 months ago
wow...I thought ONLY gas planes had issues with that...
kochj0713 1 year ago
classic example of to steep a take off and a stall
GT03235 1 year ago
"Oohh" , Hehehe
Fastbikkel 1 year ago
think he needed a lil expo in the elevator looked touch to me.
Aircraftfreak155 1 year ago
Welcome to "scale flying". Kinda looks like your throughs are too much and no expo.
mreid08 2 years ago
pulled up too hard then tip stall
MrCoolcool666 2 years ago
I think you leaned the engines too much. When you tune them you should always leave em a bit rich so you see a bit of smoke...oh, wait, it's electric? Nevermind. That was pilot fucking error all the way.
dorkf1sh 2 years ago
Definatly pilot error. The plane didn't feel like it had enough power but the little devil on my shoulder said GO FOR IT. I was having a heck of a time matching prop and motors. Most of the props that were recommended were too large and hitting the plane so not my best work but gave it a shot.
traxxas76 2 years ago
I hear ya- been there done that. You know what they say- don't fly em if you don't want to crash em. I look forward to seeing video of her rebuilt and tearing holes in the sky (not the ground).
dorkf1sh 2 years ago
@traxxas76 I would have allowed a bit more runway to allow the plane to gain more speed and then slowly lifted her up.
gmccord1970 11 months ago
@gmccord1970 I would have too but there was no more it was at the edge of the hill.
traxxas76 11 months ago