Anyway, Impressive horses make less appearances nowadays than 15 years ago, due to all the problems the defects cause. I think the judges are favoring the lighter-muscled horses now anyway. Of course, we will breed my mare when her show career is over, but only to a stallion with no hint of Impressive in his pedigree. She is too good of a mare not to breed her. She's good minded. When she has an attack, we squirt 100CC's of Karo syrup down her throat and leave her be.
You can immediately tell this horse is Impressive bred by the size of his forearms! My family has bred Impressive horses for years, and we have not had very many problems - and I am not condoning the defect, just stating a fact. We don't have very many anymore, but my current halter mare is N/H. Her half sister is not Impressive bred, and by the look of them you'd never know they were related. My mare has had four or five attacks and she just turned six. Her half-brother is also N/H.
HYPP can not be bred out. They could stop breeding N/H and N/N horses, which would stop the disease, but you can't breed a N/H horse with a N/N horse and expect it to eventually dissapear. HYPP is a dominate trait. Also, it's not only Quarter Horses that have HYPP, any horse that has Impressive in his pedigree can have HYPP. ApHA and APHA also accept HYPP N/H horses, not just AQHA. There is medicines to treat HYPP, and the attacks are almost fully preventable with correct diet and excersice.
@windywillowfarm42 You can absolutely breed out HYPP the same way you breed out any other trait. Have ALL the breed organizations not allow N/H or H/H foals to be registered, preferably at the same time. Producing a horse with HYPP in any form will be a financial loss. Savvy breeders will want to avoid producing a volatile horse that can't be registered because of a severe genetic condition.
You can 'treat' HYPP but you can't cure it. The horse could still have a fatal attack at any time.
HyPP is not 'treatable' as much as you can reduce the severity of attacks with diet/supplements. As LICKETYSPLITALNG pointed out, it is a genetic disorder so it cannot be compared to behaviour, and the only way to 'cure' it would be to remove the HyPP gene from every cell in the body - impossible. HyPP causes suffering & distress and should be removed from the gene pool. A horse with HyPP may have a full blown attack at any time, and fall on a fence or its rider and thrash about.
@LICKETYSPLITALNG wow you really missed the point. and my analogy wasnt even true, i will ride arabs. its a preposterous statement, both of those are, and the point was showing how she refused to ride hypp horses in the fact that they are going to have an attack and explode, like arabs may spook and explode. so, lickety a family friend of mine is autistic, should she never have kids in worries that they might be autisitc too? its the same with hypp.
@skillet142 If a horse has many attacks and is not managed well with diet, there are medications that can be used. It all has to do with potassium levels. People often call it the quarter horse disease and from people selling horses without disclosing the disease and "losing" papers these horse are being bred inadvertantly with other breeds further spreading the disease.
@skillet142 Some people just don't care, they want to win but I think a lot of it has to do with people lieing about it and ditching papers. The new owners don't have a clue and the breeding goes on. Hopefully some day there will be a cure.
I would like to ask permission to link your video to a web site I am building with regard to HYPP. As part of my degree, I must create a web site as a final project. I find this a great opportunity as in owning an HYPP horse and doing research, I have found that most people would rather critize us with HYPP horses rather than learn what the disease truly is. It is not curable but it is mangeable much like diabetes in humans. People PLEASE research before citizing!!!
@skillet142 HYPP is a genetic disorder that causes a horses muscles to twitch. It is managed by removing potassium from the diet and regular exercise. A horse should not have alfala hay or alfalfa based feeds. Also my horse has mild spells when she is not well hydrated such as spring and fall with a heavy coat and higher temps and sun. She is also black so she heats up fast. So far stress has NEVER triggerd a spell, only lack of hydration which I encourage with mints in her water.
@LICKETYSPLITALNG so the thousands of horses with this should just be wasted? what the hell makes them so different than other horses, and to such degrees that according to you, they can't be shown?? And also, according to you, if a wonderful, caring horse has HYPP, that automatically makes them "un-good" so tell me, what makes an HYPP horse different than a regular one other than that they have hypp. NOTHING! So wh can;t they be shown and be clasified as "good horses"?? ANd how is that cheating
@1sorelhorse Well, for one thing, my friend was riding an HYPP mare in a pleasure class...she'd seen her have an attack. Mild tremors, nothing to worry about. Then in the class, the mare fell over with my friend on her and ended up starting a spook fest among the other horses.
@SarahVstheClown and so this wouldnt happen in any normal circumstances whn not showing?? it could happen on the trail and scare horses, in in a warmup arena. so does that mean she should just never ride the horse again?? or, in my case, according to some, never showm my own horse again
@1sorelhorse In my opinion, yes...because the horse is a danger to itself, it's rider and the horses around them. This isn't something that can be trained out of the horse. It will always be there and can come up at any time. Does this make the horse "worthless"? No. I'd love to have an HYPP horse to do halter with and love on...
@SarahVstheClown well, what about green baby horses? or spirited arabs, or horses with bad riders? they are ALL a danger. ALL horses are a danger, and when you ride horses, thats a risk you have to be willing to take. HYPP horses are no exception to being a "danger" to others.
@1sorelhorse Like I said before, those problems are fixable. I've had babies and I've ridden them where it was safe for them to be ridden. I own an Arab who sat for 5 years and was a danger to everyone under saddle. Now my 10 year old nephew trail rides him...and I tend to stay away from bad riders. I can SEE a bad rider or a spooky horse. You can't see mild HYPP attacks...
@SarahVstheClown you missed the point. the point was saying that, ya, maybe your horses are good, but there millions of horses, and of those, thousands and thousands compete, and each and every horse can "start a spooking fest". it ie no exception to hypp
@1sorelhorse Well, another point...HYPP attacks have been proven to start during exercise...a show is obviously a form of exercise. I wouldn't ride an HYPP horse for that reason, along with the others I've pointed out.
@SarahVstheClown Okay, you clearly dont know HYPP. Just let me remind you, I own one, and excersize is the BEST thing they can get. the only reason they twitch and possibly fall is because the potassium stores up in the muscles and cannot be removed properly, therfor, excersie helps constrict and work the muscles to help get the extra potassium out. And it has NEVER been proved that excersize causes attacks.
@1sorelhorse I'm just going by what a past instructor has told me...there's really no need for an attituted in a situation like this. So work your HYPP horse...I don't care. I still won't ride one because you never know when they're going to have a full blown attack. The mare that had an attack when my friend was riding her was ridden for at least 45 minutes 6 days a week...so exercise obviously won't completely stop it.
@SarahVstheClown okay, so im never going to ride an arabian because "you never know when they are going to spook" if your around horses with that attitude, then i dont know what to tell you
@1sorelhorse Well good for you. :3 Christ...how old are you? 12? I still won't ride an HYPP horse for my and the horse's safety. I'd still use one in a longe line and halter class.
@SarahVstheClown well, first off, i am older than 12. And also, i do not beleive age matters. I have already proven my point that your statement is unreasonable , and if so, i will reiterate- you have stated "I still won't ride one because you never know when they're going to have a full blown attack" and so therfore, i said i would not ride an arab because you never known when they are going to have a full blown spook attack. Horses are horses, you cant change them
@1sorelhorse Well, excuse my confusion but you spell and type like one. And this isn't about a horse's personality; it's about a disease. Ride what you want but I still won't. You're not going to change my opinion.
@SarahVstheClown :Hear here!! 1SH go back and read your posts! Surely you might get some clarity on how ridiculous your arguement is. HYPP IS A DEFECT, not a personality, it has no bias towards how good or bad a rider you are. If you choose to ride your HYPP horse then that is yor choice, but please for your own safety take your head out of the sand and wise up. My horse is N/N but has HYPP, so now it is not so easliy diagnosed as it is in more that one gene. I will not be riding my horse now
@95C1500 Hi, it's not 100% conclusive yet, but I have been in email discussions Drs Sharon Spiers and Stephanie Valberg and also my local equine centre. The general concensus is it is very likely HYPP. He does not have the symptoms of PSSM and I am in the process of trying to collect bloods to test Potassium levels during an episode. This is not that uncommon either. People need to be aware that currently there is only one identified gene and there is likely more defective genes from Impressive
@suzy6769 Well hopefully they can catch this different mutation soon so it doesn't keep spreading. I hope you find some more information out! I'm sorry to hear about your horse.
@95C1500 Thanks, yes it is very disappointing and I have a hard time getting head around the idea of people thinking that this is an acceptable situation. I cannot beleive that people would intentionally bred in all these disorders and I am discovering there are certainly plenty of them in the QH world. I am even considering changing the breed of horse I am so fond of as the uncertainy is very unsettling. Thanks again, susie
@1sorelhorse I'm sorry to beat a dead horse but I have to bring this up again about the Arab thing...I've worked with/leased my Arab for 6 years, owned him for 4. In the first few years, yeah...I had full blown spook attacks. But do you know how long it's been since he's spooked with a rider? Pushing 3 years. When I got him, he hadn't been touched in 4 years. Being a little nervous was expected. But to say that ALL Arabs are spooky ALL the time is ridiculous. Saying that proves that you don't
@SarahVstheClown and i guess you didnt understand my analogy. The point was you said you would never ride a hypp horse because you were worried they might break out into attack, and that is a very general statement, so i replied with just about the same exact thing-i will not ride arabs because i never know when they are going to have an attack, obviously both these statements make no sense, as to horses are horses, and it is all one big risk we take when we ride them
Sugar isn't a problem for HYPP positive horses, it's sodium and potassium. Horses have attacks when their sodium/potassium balances become unequal - that is why their diets are so heavily maintained. :)
@redriderslider you can;t tell me it's not because it is with him. His potassuim level was too high because of the sweet feed he had so they swtched him to oats where there is 0% sugar then he had another attack because he didn't get enough sugar so they just put a fe sugar cubes in with his oats. you don't know the horse i do and i saw it so....
Sugar has nothing to do with hypp. Who ever you're talking about did the right thing by switching the horse off of sweet feed because it is high in POTASSIUM. What happens in an hypp attack is when there is a fluctuation in the potassium level in the blood, the sodium channel in the muscle "leak" and thus creating the muscles of the horse to contract uncontrollably. Nothing to do with sugar...
@ScotchMegafleet6201 I AM NOT TALKING ABOTU SUGAR!!!! LEM ME REPEAT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUGAR!!!!!ONE MORE TIME? I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUGAR!!!!1 i hoe you get the point!YES i have already answered you. he had high potassuim so they switched him to oats then he had another attack because he didn't get enough patassuim into his diet because we have no grass just hay. so they put sugar cubes in his oats to balance it out. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUGAR I AM TALKING ABOUT HIGH POSTASSUIM FROM ALL
@terXterXterezka1997 AQHA is the amercan quarter horse association. it has a lot to do with their respiratory systems shutting down. its a passed down gene from the QH mr. impressive
This causes abnormally excitable muscles. The mare that I mentioned before has mild to extreme attacks on a fairly regular basis. She will just have muscle tremors sometimes and others, she will collapse (most of the time fairly gently) while sweating and with labored breathing. We treat her with syrup for mild cases and make her as comfortable as possible, but when a large attack comes on, the vet is called. The fact is, every year that she gets older (she is almost 10 now).
She has to be kept on a very strict routine and fed low potassium feeds. She even cant have a blue salt lick, she has to have a white salt lick as it is lower in potassium. From what I understand from our Vet, There is a defect in the muscle cell membrane. The mechanism that keeps potassium inside the cell and sodium outside of the cell does not function properly. As a result, potassium leaks from the cell into the surrounding tissue, and from there into the bloodstream.
I have a mare in my barn that is P/N. She has Impressive on her pedigree 3 times. Twice as a grandsire on her sires side and once as a greatgrand sire on her dams side. She didn't start having any attacks until she was 6yrs old. Her attacks can be quite a bit more severe than what is shown here. Anything can trigger them. She has the most episodes during spring and fall. I live in Canada, and the changing of the seasons can be quite extreme. But she does have them at other times as well.
@1sorelhorse My stallion, who was 12 years old was a NH horse, and I know all about this... It is just that simple... As a matter of fact, we have a 16 year old mare now that is NH and she has never had an episode due to proper feeding...
These horses need to be prevented from breeding as the trait doesn't get diluted out with breeding. Horses homozygous (have two genes) for the trait are more severely affected. But although one may have a higher frequency of attacks than another, they are equally as likely to pass it on to offspring. :D
HYPP is a genetic disease of descendants of the Quarter Horse Impressive. It began as a freak "point mutation" in his genetic code. These horses suffer from a sodium ion channel defect in muscle. The channels become "leaky" and cause derangements in the blood. The attacks are precipitated by random stressors. Although the attacks can end in death as a result of respiratory failure or cardiac arrest, they are not seizures (they are aware at all times), and there is no apparent pain.
@campcoskuro from what i know. it's kind of as if the horse has seisures and muscle spasms. the horse basically can't control it's body movements and all.
It is a RARE disease that only come from the world famous Impressive, but personally I'd have ALL horse checked in case of a new bloodline being discovered having it, it also currently has no cure it's some bad stuff, it can also be hard to discover without the test BECAUSE it's symtoms are JUST like colic and west nile. N/N is Negitive N/H is 50% either way and H/H is No doubt. So it's some bad stuff.
Don't forget these horses have been known to collapse and die when their respiratory systems shut down because of this genetic disease, or their heart stops.
Yes, this has been known to happen.
It's not just some bad stuff. This kills most of the horses that are H/H within a few years. Even N/H horses are known to have shortened lifespans when compared to N/N.
@mikepoepperling problem is , it doesn't always happen to N/H Hypp tested horses. Some horses don't have a problem. Im not being mean but it's a good blood line but that disease damages it. My horse most likly has it and he loves to show. It depends on how bad they have it. Now if they r twiching like that in the show ring I don't want them in there, they'll get hurt. But it's caused by Impressive a QH that was bred over 2000 times
@mikepoepperling i honestly, think that would be stupid thing to do. A big majority of the rreeaaaly good halter horses, even performance horses at the aqha, apha a,d ptha worlds have hypp. so your saying instead of doing something with them we should just let them rot and die away? you realize there is medication for hypp, and while it may not always work,it does a great effect on their attacks.
@1sorelhorse Show the existing ones all you want, but there's no reason to go around breeding horses to have this disease for no reason other than show success when there are plenty of successful horses out there who are N/N. Breeding even an H/N horse is a risk not worth taking, in my opinion, because of the potential suffering a horse could go through when they have an attack so bad they suffocate to death.
@JMACCA123 I have a lot of experience in the halter/show hors world, and i know what hypp is like. now im not saying go around breeding them for fun, but i dont think its all that bad when the horse is on medication. with a little medication and the right diet, no one will ever know
Anyway, Impressive horses make less appearances nowadays than 15 years ago, due to all the problems the defects cause. I think the judges are favoring the lighter-muscled horses now anyway. Of course, we will breed my mare when her show career is over, but only to a stallion with no hint of Impressive in his pedigree. She is too good of a mare not to breed her. She's good minded. When she has an attack, we squirt 100CC's of Karo syrup down her throat and leave her be.
hanoverianjumpers101 1 year ago
You can immediately tell this horse is Impressive bred by the size of his forearms! My family has bred Impressive horses for years, and we have not had very many problems - and I am not condoning the defect, just stating a fact. We don't have very many anymore, but my current halter mare is N/H. Her half sister is not Impressive bred, and by the look of them you'd never know they were related. My mare has had four or five attacks and she just turned six. Her half-brother is also N/H.
hanoverianjumpers101 1 year ago
@hanoverianjumpers101 Why would you put more HYPP positive horses into this world?
Appaloosapinto 5 months ago
HYPP can not be bred out. They could stop breeding N/H and N/N horses, which would stop the disease, but you can't breed a N/H horse with a N/N horse and expect it to eventually dissapear. HYPP is a dominate trait. Also, it's not only Quarter Horses that have HYPP, any horse that has Impressive in his pedigree can have HYPP. ApHA and APHA also accept HYPP N/H horses, not just AQHA. There is medicines to treat HYPP, and the attacks are almost fully preventable with correct diet and excersice.
windywillowfarm42 1 year ago 2
@windywillowfarm42 You can absolutely breed out HYPP the same way you breed out any other trait. Have ALL the breed organizations not allow N/H or H/H foals to be registered, preferably at the same time. Producing a horse with HYPP in any form will be a financial loss. Savvy breeders will want to avoid producing a volatile horse that can't be registered because of a severe genetic condition.
You can 'treat' HYPP but you can't cure it. The horse could still have a fatal attack at any time.
Jailbirdx 1 year ago
HyPP is not 'treatable' as much as you can reduce the severity of attacks with diet/supplements. As LICKETYSPLITALNG pointed out, it is a genetic disorder so it cannot be compared to behaviour, and the only way to 'cure' it would be to remove the HyPP gene from every cell in the body - impossible. HyPP causes suffering & distress and should be removed from the gene pool. A horse with HyPP may have a full blown attack at any time, and fall on a fence or its rider and thrash about.
leaowens 1 year ago
@LICKETYSPLITALNG so just tell me whats wrong with hypp if its treatable??
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse
There's no way to guarantee a horse won't have a fatal attack with a rider on its back, no matter how much you 'treat' it.
Jailbirdx 1 year ago 2
@LICKETYSPLITALNG so just tell me whats wrong with hypp if its treatable??
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@LICKETYSPLITALNG wow you really missed the point. and my analogy wasnt even true, i will ride arabs. its a preposterous statement, both of those are, and the point was showing how she refused to ride hypp horses in the fact that they are going to have an attack and explode, like arabs may spook and explode. so, lickety a family friend of mine is autistic, should she never have kids in worries that they might be autisitc too? its the same with hypp.
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@LICKETYSPLITALNG sure, whatever you say
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
oh ok, well thats too bad... is that the only way to treat it?
skillet142 1 year ago
@skillet142 If a horse has many attacks and is not managed well with diet, there are medications that can be used. It all has to do with potassium levels. People often call it the quarter horse disease and from people selling horses without disclosing the disease and "losing" papers these horse are being bred inadvertantly with other breeds further spreading the disease.
MsJCsMom 1 year ago
@MsJCsMom ohhh wow thats stupid of ppl to keep breeding them if they have it.
skillet142 1 year ago
@skillet142 Some people just don't care, they want to win but I think a lot of it has to do with people lieing about it and ditching papers. The new owners don't have a clue and the breeding goes on. Hopefully some day there will be a cure.
MsJCsMom 1 year ago
@skillet142 no its not
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
I would like to ask permission to link your video to a web site I am building with regard to HYPP. As part of my degree, I must create a web site as a final project. I find this a great opportunity as in owning an HYPP horse and doing research, I have found that most people would rather critize us with HYPP horses rather than learn what the disease truly is. It is not curable but it is mangeable much like diabetes in humans. People PLEASE research before citizing!!!
MsJCsMom 1 year ago
whats hypp??
skillet142 1 year ago
@skillet142 HYPP is a genetic disorder that causes a horses muscles to twitch. It is managed by removing potassium from the diet and regular exercise. A horse should not have alfala hay or alfalfa based feeds. Also my horse has mild spells when she is not well hydrated such as spring and fall with a heavy coat and higher temps and sun. She is also black so she heats up fast. So far stress has NEVER triggerd a spell, only lack of hydration which I encourage with mints in her water.
MsJCsMom 1 year ago
@LICKETYSPLITALNG so the thousands of horses with this should just be wasted? what the hell makes them so different than other horses, and to such degrees that according to you, they can't be shown?? And also, according to you, if a wonderful, caring horse has HYPP, that automatically makes them "un-good" so tell me, what makes an HYPP horse different than a regular one other than that they have hypp. NOTHING! So wh can;t they be shown and be clasified as "good horses"?? ANd how is that cheating
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse Well, for one thing, my friend was riding an HYPP mare in a pleasure class...she'd seen her have an attack. Mild tremors, nothing to worry about. Then in the class, the mare fell over with my friend on her and ended up starting a spook fest among the other horses.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown and so this wouldnt happen in any normal circumstances whn not showing?? it could happen on the trail and scare horses, in in a warmup arena. so does that mean she should just never ride the horse again?? or, in my case, according to some, never showm my own horse again
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse In my opinion, yes...because the horse is a danger to itself, it's rider and the horses around them. This isn't something that can be trained out of the horse. It will always be there and can come up at any time. Does this make the horse "worthless"? No. I'd love to have an HYPP horse to do halter with and love on...
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown well, what about green baby horses? or spirited arabs, or horses with bad riders? they are ALL a danger. ALL horses are a danger, and when you ride horses, thats a risk you have to be willing to take. HYPP horses are no exception to being a "danger" to others.
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse Like I said before, those problems are fixable. I've had babies and I've ridden them where it was safe for them to be ridden. I own an Arab who sat for 5 years and was a danger to everyone under saddle. Now my 10 year old nephew trail rides him...and I tend to stay away from bad riders. I can SEE a bad rider or a spooky horse. You can't see mild HYPP attacks...
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown you missed the point. the point was saying that, ya, maybe your horses are good, but there millions of horses, and of those, thousands and thousands compete, and each and every horse can "start a spooking fest". it ie no exception to hypp
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse Well, another point...HYPP attacks have been proven to start during exercise...a show is obviously a form of exercise. I wouldn't ride an HYPP horse for that reason, along with the others I've pointed out.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown Okay, you clearly dont know HYPP. Just let me remind you, I own one, and excersize is the BEST thing they can get. the only reason they twitch and possibly fall is because the potassium stores up in the muscles and cannot be removed properly, therfor, excersie helps constrict and work the muscles to help get the extra potassium out. And it has NEVER been proved that excersize causes attacks.
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
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SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse I'm just going by what a past instructor has told me...there's really no need for an attituted in a situation like this. So work your HYPP horse...I don't care. I still won't ride one because you never know when they're going to have a full blown attack. The mare that had an attack when my friend was riding her was ridden for at least 45 minutes 6 days a week...so exercise obviously won't completely stop it.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown okay, so im never going to ride an arabian because "you never know when they are going to spook" if your around horses with that attitude, then i dont know what to tell you
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse That's extremely biased...you must not know Arabs. I own one. My 10 year old nephew rides him on trails.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown and you are acting the same exact way towards hypp horses. so i have proved my point:)
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse Well good for you. :3 Christ...how old are you? 12? I still won't ride an HYPP horse for my and the horse's safety. I'd still use one in a longe line and halter class.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown well, first off, i am older than 12. And also, i do not beleive age matters. I have already proven my point that your statement is unreasonable , and if so, i will reiterate- you have stated "I still won't ride one because you never know when they're going to have a full blown attack" and so therfore, i said i would not ride an arab because you never known when they are going to have a full blown spook attack. Horses are horses, you cant change them
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse Well, excuse my confusion but you spell and type like one. And this isn't about a horse's personality; it's about a disease. Ride what you want but I still won't. You're not going to change my opinion.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown :Hear here!! 1SH go back and read your posts! Surely you might get some clarity on how ridiculous your arguement is. HYPP IS A DEFECT, not a personality, it has no bias towards how good or bad a rider you are. If you choose to ride your HYPP horse then that is yor choice, but please for your own safety take your head out of the sand and wise up. My horse is N/N but has HYPP, so now it is not so easliy diagnosed as it is in more that one gene. I will not be riding my horse now
suzy6769 1 year ago
@suzy6769 Are you sure it is HYPP? it might be Tying Up Syndrome which is easily confused with HYPP
95C1500 1 year ago
@95C1500 Hi, it's not 100% conclusive yet, but I have been in email discussions Drs Sharon Spiers and Stephanie Valberg and also my local equine centre. The general concensus is it is very likely HYPP. He does not have the symptoms of PSSM and I am in the process of trying to collect bloods to test Potassium levels during an episode. This is not that uncommon either. People need to be aware that currently there is only one identified gene and there is likely more defective genes from Impressive
suzy6769 1 year ago
@suzy6769 Well hopefully they can catch this different mutation soon so it doesn't keep spreading. I hope you find some more information out! I'm sorry to hear about your horse.
95C1500 1 year ago
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95C1500 1 year ago
@95C1500 Thanks, yes it is very disappointing and I have a hard time getting head around the idea of people thinking that this is an acceptable situation. I cannot beleive that people would intentionally bred in all these disorders and I am discovering there are certainly plenty of them in the QH world. I am even considering changing the breed of horse I am so fond of as the uncertainy is very unsettling. Thanks again, susie
suzy6769 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse I'm sorry to beat a dead horse but I have to bring this up again about the Arab thing...I've worked with/leased my Arab for 6 years, owned him for 4. In the first few years, yeah...I had full blown spook attacks. But do you know how long it's been since he's spooked with a rider? Pushing 3 years. When I got him, he hadn't been touched in 4 years. Being a little nervous was expected. But to say that ALL Arabs are spooky ALL the time is ridiculous. Saying that proves that you don't
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse understand the breed.
SarahVstheClown 1 year ago
@SarahVstheClown and i guess you didnt understand my analogy. The point was you said you would never ride a hypp horse because you were worried they might break out into attack, and that is a very general statement, so i replied with just about the same exact thing-i will not ride arabs because i never know when they are going to have an attack, obviously both these statements make no sense, as to horses are horses, and it is all one big risk we take when we ride them
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@LICKETYSPLITALNG
why the hell would i be doing that? unless youve had personal experirnece with hypp horses, dont even say anything. if you do, then thats fine
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this, more needs to be done to bring light to this totally preventable disease.
lnix99 1 year ago
my friend's paint has hypp we're thinking maybe he has mr. impressive genes. they give him sugar cubes daily
ShelbzandLeahProd 1 year ago
@ShelbzandLeahProd
Sugar isn't a problem for HYPP positive horses, it's sodium and potassium. Horses have attacks when their sodium/potassium balances become unequal - that is why their diets are so heavily maintained. :)
redriderslider 1 year ago
@redriderslider you can;t tell me it's not because it is with him. His potassuim level was too high because of the sweet feed he had so they swtched him to oats where there is 0% sugar then he had another attack because he didn't get enough sugar so they just put a fe sugar cubes in with his oats. you don't know the horse i do and i saw it so....
Horses4ever8 1 year ago
@Horses4ever8 What are you talking about? :/
Sugar has nothing to do with hypp. Who ever you're talking about did the right thing by switching the horse off of sweet feed because it is high in POTASSIUM. What happens in an hypp attack is when there is a fluctuation in the potassium level in the blood, the sodium channel in the muscle "leak" and thus creating the muscles of the horse to contract uncontrollably. Nothing to do with sugar...
Was the horse eating grass hay?
ScotchMegafleet6201 1 year ago
@ScotchMegafleet6201 I AM NOT TALKING ABOTU SUGAR!!!! LEM ME REPEAT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUGAR!!!!!ONE MORE TIME? I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUGAR!!!!1 i hoe you get the point!YES i have already answered you. he had high potassuim so they switched him to oats then he had another attack because he didn't get enough patassuim into his diet because we have no grass just hay. so they put sugar cubes in his oats to balance it out. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUGAR I AM TALKING ABOUT HIGH POSTASSUIM FROM ALL
Horses4ever8 1 year ago
@ScotchMegafleet6201 sugar prompts the body to release insulin which in turn has the effect of moving potassuim back into the cells
Horses4ever8 1 year ago
Can i ask? What is AQHA and whats an Hypp Attack? i know its something to do with hypp problem...buttt
terXterXterezka1997 1 year ago
@terXterXterezka1997 AQHA is the amercan quarter horse association. it has a lot to do with their respiratory systems shutting down. its a passed down gene from the QH mr. impressive
ShelbzandLeahProd 1 year ago
@ShelbzandLeahProd ow ok...Thanks :)
terXterXterezka1997 1 year ago
Please say you have no plans to ever breed this mare. This disease could be wiped out in one generation if people would just stop breeding them!
Karyn64 1 year ago
One of these attacks could be the last. We really don't know.
JesiL1234 1 year ago
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JesiL1234 1 year ago
This causes abnormally excitable muscles. The mare that I mentioned before has mild to extreme attacks on a fairly regular basis. She will just have muscle tremors sometimes and others, she will collapse (most of the time fairly gently) while sweating and with labored breathing. We treat her with syrup for mild cases and make her as comfortable as possible, but when a large attack comes on, the vet is called. The fact is, every year that she gets older (she is almost 10 now).
JesiL1234 1 year ago
She has to be kept on a very strict routine and fed low potassium feeds. She even cant have a blue salt lick, she has to have a white salt lick as it is lower in potassium. From what I understand from our Vet, There is a defect in the muscle cell membrane. The mechanism that keeps potassium inside the cell and sodium outside of the cell does not function properly. As a result, potassium leaks from the cell into the surrounding tissue, and from there into the bloodstream.
JesiL1234 1 year ago
I have a mare in my barn that is P/N. She has Impressive on her pedigree 3 times. Twice as a grandsire on her sires side and once as a greatgrand sire on her dams side. She didn't start having any attacks until she was 6yrs old. Her attacks can be quite a bit more severe than what is shown here. Anything can trigger them. She has the most episodes during spring and fall. I live in Canada, and the changing of the seasons can be quite extreme. But she does have them at other times as well.
JesiL1234 1 year ago
i guess what i dont understand is why are they taking video and not treating this right now! Its as simple as a suringe of karo syrup....
dhschiccadee77 1 year ago
@dhschiccadee77 no, its not that simple. and i can assure you they probably already have. it doesnt stop immediatly though
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse My stallion, who was 12 years old was a NH horse, and I know all about this... It is just that simple... As a matter of fact, we have a 16 year old mare now that is NH and she has never had an episode due to proper feeding...
dhschiccadee77 1 year ago
These horses need to be prevented from breeding as the trait doesn't get diluted out with breeding. Horses homozygous (have two genes) for the trait are more severely affected. But although one may have a higher frequency of attacks than another, they are equally as likely to pass it on to offspring. :D
drglrbaby121 1 year ago
HYPP is a genetic disease of descendants of the Quarter Horse Impressive. It began as a freak "point mutation" in his genetic code. These horses suffer from a sodium ion channel defect in muscle. The channels become "leaky" and cause derangements in the blood. The attacks are precipitated by random stressors. Although the attacks can end in death as a result of respiratory failure or cardiac arrest, they are not seizures (they are aware at all times), and there is no apparent pain.
drglrbaby121 1 year ago
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DejligeTico 1 year ago
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DejligeTico 1 year ago
@DejligeTico a genetic disease where the horses can have seisures and muscle spasms like in this video
mel545 1 year ago
I don't know anything about HYPP . How does it work? This "attack", is it cramps? Is the cramps the cause of the big muscles ?
DejligeTico 1 year ago
what exactly is a HYPP attack?
campcoskuro 1 year ago
@campcoskuro from what i know. it's kind of as if the horse has seisures and muscle spasms. the horse basically can't control it's body movements and all.
someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
this just breaks my heart to see :(
yoXmeghyyyyy 1 year ago
What happens and why is it bad?
unicrazyperson 2 years ago
It is a RARE disease that only come from the world famous Impressive, but personally I'd have ALL horse checked in case of a new bloodline being discovered having it, it also currently has no cure it's some bad stuff, it can also be hard to discover without the test BECAUSE it's symtoms are JUST like colic and west nile. N/N is Negitive N/H is 50% either way and H/H is No doubt. So it's some bad stuff.
Longhorn134158 2 years ago
@Longhorn134158
Don't forget these horses have been known to collapse and die when their respiratory systems shut down because of this genetic disease, or their heart stops.
Yes, this has been known to happen.
It's not just some bad stuff. This kills most of the horses that are H/H within a few years. Even N/H horses are known to have shortened lifespans when compared to N/N.
flareion09 1 year ago 2
My bad not H/H it's P/P.
Longhorn134158 2 years ago
thank god my horse is N/N
WesternPleasure1029 2 years ago
poor baby
countrygirl999999 2 years ago
What is he eating and what are his living conditions? Is he on meds?
bethdhoffman 2 years ago
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mikepoepperling 2 years ago 11
@mikepoepperling problem is , it doesn't always happen to N/H Hypp tested horses. Some horses don't have a problem. Im not being mean but it's a good blood line but that disease damages it. My horse most likly has it and he loves to show. It depends on how bad they have it. Now if they r twiching like that in the show ring I don't want them in there, they'll get hurt. But it's caused by Impressive a QH that was bred over 2000 times
FeatureEvent 1 year ago
@mikepoepperling i honestly, think that would be stupid thing to do. A big majority of the rreeaaaly good halter horses, even performance horses at the aqha, apha a,d ptha worlds have hypp. so your saying instead of doing something with them we should just let them rot and die away? you realize there is medication for hypp, and while it may not always work,it does a great effect on their attacks.
1sorelhorse 1 year ago
@1sorelhorse Show the existing ones all you want, but there's no reason to go around breeding horses to have this disease for no reason other than show success when there are plenty of successful horses out there who are N/N. Breeding even an H/N horse is a risk not worth taking, in my opinion, because of the potential suffering a horse could go through when they have an attack so bad they suffocate to death.
JMACCA123 1 year ago
@JMACCA123 I have a lot of experience in the halter/show hors world, and i know what hypp is like. now im not saying go around breeding them for fun, but i dont think its all that bad when the horse is on medication. with a little medication and the right diet, no one will ever know
1sorelhorse 1 year ago