IsLaM:)tHe FaStiNg GrWoWiNg ReLiGiOn In ThE wOrLd

[gorgonzolaaa]

Ahh, now I see. You are in the West for money. You have escaped the Islamic mayhem, Muslim on Muslim and Muslim on Christian and Muslim on Jew, for Western money. Do you do your part to support Jihad by paying Zakat?

It's funny how Muslim emigrants flee their own countries because of "mayhem created by the West", yet their barbarism follows them where they have full rights of Westerners. It makes as much sense as Jews escaping WWII German oppression by fleeing to Germany.

[oroge]

i actually make my money from africa i dont need to give details of my buissiness to you but you got it wrong there. my homeland is not in any form of turmoil and there are lots of american companies with branches in other parts of the world you argue like a child

[gorgonzolaaa]

I don't need details of your business. Either way, you are a hypocrite. Either you don't like Islamic law, but will not admit it, or you want Islamic law in the U.K., but will not live in a country that has it.

[oroge]

you are a fool you assume all muslims want to bring sharia to the west. sharia is for muslim countries one of wich i reside in i am no hypocrite because trade is allowed america trades and steals from non western countries

and pretends to uphold justice and i'm a hypocrite for running a legal intl buissnes?!! lol

[gorgonzolaaa]

You reside in the U.K., and they have sharia!?

I don't assume anything about Muslims. It is what your religion requires. It is up to you to ignore it, if you want to be a bad Muslim.

Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

[oroge]

bollocks, i do not reside here permanently. but there are provisions for sharia here though. and the above is for times of war

[gorgonzolaaa]

Of course it is for times of war. Islam is perpetually at war. Not a day has gone by in the last 1,400 years that Islam has not been at war. There are only two houses in Islam: the house of Islam, and the house of war.

[oroge]

lol how old are you? 14? childish argument ps christians have been warring for longer.

[gorgonzolaaa]

I am old enough to understand that all Muslims resort to ad hominem attacks when they are unable to defend their false religion.

[gorgonzolaaa]

The majority of converts to Islam in the U.S. are prisoners. They mostly become Muslims for protection from other prisoners. The apostate rate is 75%.

Napoleon was not a Muslim.

[oroge]

he reverted before his death he took on the name Ali

[gorgonzolaaa]

No, he did not. This is a myth.

[oroge]

fare play to you your way to me mine salaam

[gorgonzolaaa]

Sorry, that verse was abrogated.

[oroge]

salaam

[oroge]

the fact that muslims stick up for each other wether inside or outside of prison is still admirable christians dont care about each christians so much that christian publishers have even started producing counterfeit Qurans weaken muslim faith a six year old senagalese boy was the youngest to sus them out how patheticother they only want to exploit third world countries but take the guise of charities.

[oroge]

what is really funny is that people like you try to make us out to be hatefull bigots but anyone reading this can see that the only bigot here is you diminish and mature. salaam.

[gorgonzolaaa]

The problem lies not with the people, but the religion, which REQUIRES Muslims to be bigots.

5:51 "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

And this is the Christian and Jew, which Islam holds in esteem above all other non-Muslims.

[oroge]

it was after a battle wher "some" christians and jews betrayed muslims if you are truly impartial you will remember that muslims christians and jews lived in peace under the 13 laws of mecca i'm sure you know them read them yourself you see clearly muslims christians and jews were ment to stick up for eachother

[gorgonzolaaa]

Hypocrite. You know full well that the Qur'an is supposed to be the words, not of Muhammad, but of Allah, and now you are trying to place this COMMAND in a historical context.

Jews and Christians did not betray Muslims.  It was the other way around.

You fail at taqiyya.

[oroge]

there is hiqma behind every verese of the Quran many are awnsers to questions or responses to challenges and certain situations dont try to twist things look at what happened before the verses were revealed. muslims betray christians you are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! by the way didnt jesus call gentiles pigs and wasn't one of the first documented acts of genocide in th bible?

[gorgonzolaaa]

It is you who are twisting, as taqiyya requires you to do so as a good Muslim. Islam is the only religion that I know of where lying is a virtue.

From the same surah, verse 64:

"Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred TILL THE DAY OF JUDGMENT."

Go ahead and explain to us how this also applies only to the historical event.

[oroge]

this is still being quoted out of context this does not apply to all jews and christians

[gorgonzolaaa]

This quote is about Jews only.

In any event, you are distracting from the point, that it is a COMMAND outside of the scope of historical context.

Here is the verse on Jews and Christians:

5:14 "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done."

[gorgonzolaaa]

We are tired of Islam's lies. Tired of being told it is a religion of peace, and then murdering. Tired of being told it condemns terrorism, and then terrorizing. Tired of being told it takes credit for humanity, and then being inhumane. Tired of being told it gives rights to women, and then reducing them to property. Islam murders its own apostate children. Children. We will no longer fall for its lies. When will Muslims stop believing their own lies? Wake up, as you have awoken us.

[oroge]

"He who kills in the name of racism is not one of us" Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) it is christianity that reduces women to property.

when muslims were being taught to leave their wives inheritance christians were leaving there wives to each other in wills. until 19th century in england it was beleived if a woman enjoyed sex she was a prostitute.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Muhammad said that blacks were a gift to Arabs from Allah, for slavery. Muslims ran the slave trade.

Tell an American woman that she is property; I dare you.

[oroge]

when? witnessed by whom?

[gorgonzolaaa]

I'm always more than happy to teach Muslims about Islam.

Tabari II:11 "He [Noah] prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."

[oroge]

where does Prophet Mohammed say blacks are meant to be slaves

[gorgonzolaaa]

Lol where do you think they got the story from? You think they made it up themselves, without Muhammad telling them?

[oroge]

Deuteronomy 25:5

If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband's brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her

PROPERTY!

[gorgonzolaaa]

What a fool.

Do you have any idea what "to her property" means?

It means that he is OBLIGATED to provide children to her, as an heir to HER property. SHE could give HER property to HER children as inheritance.

[oroge]

your an idiot she has to marry her brother in law if her husban dies

[gorgonzolaaa]

This is a BENEFIT. Jewish women WANTED this option, under this specific scenario, where the two brothers and the wife all live together and the husband dies before they have children, so the widow could have an heir. Read the rest of this, Deuteronomy 25:6-10, and stop making a fool out of yourself.

[oroge]

bullshit

[gorgonzolaaa]

Put down your "Debating Christians For Dummies" book. Imagine, for a second, that you are not a Muslim, and for once in your life, try to see the truth, without trying to view everything as a justification for the false religion of Islam.

What I say here is the truth. You are free to study the Bible for yourself.

[oroge]

Also psychics must be put to death. Let us look at Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them there is so much rubbish in this book why would i fpllow it?

[oroge]

sexual immorality and brutality are common place in your so called holy bibleThey fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

[oroge]

and while your at it refute christian pedophelia While Christians are not obligated to follow the laws of the Talmud in their social lives, but the historical FACTS that exist in the Talmud about the Biblical verses Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40 below, and how the "BIBLE FOLLOWERS" during those days were mostly pedophiles who literally forced sex on 3-year old girls after Moses' supposed 'Divine' order is clear indication that the Bible condones pedophilia.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Run from Islam as fast as you can! Distract with Bible quotes! Lol I love it.

You did not read the Bible; you are taking all of these quotes from a Bible hate site or hate book.

The Talmud is a code of law, stating how rapists are to be punished. The 3-year-old age is specified for the purpose of saying that anyone raped younger than three is still considered a virgin, so they will still be considered pure when they grow up.

[oroge]

lol rubbish mate its there in clear writing

[gorgonzolaaa]

I know; you are running away from your own religion, and it's right there in clear writing, in quote after quote from the Bible.

It's okay; if I were a Muslim, I'd run away from Islam too.

[oroge]

I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

[oroge]

we beleive the the prophets to all have been the best of people but you idiots accuse them of every evil under the sun. no matter what spin you put on it the things you fools say the prophets did or were commanded to do were downright awful

[oroge]

i run from nothing your arguments dont hold water

[oroge]

When it comes to human affairs and relations, slavery is one of the back bones of the spine of Christianity and its principles: "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"

[gorgonzolaaa]

Jesus had no slaves. How many slaves did Muhammad have? When he promised one slave that he would free him, why did he remain a slave of Muhammad until Muhammad's death?

[oroge]

there is no lie here. by the way what does jesus call non beleivers in the bible?

[oroge]

oh shut up you take the verses out of context and then you forget there are different schools of thought and what your doing now proves the verse right furthermore christians have done WAY more damage than muslims ever have

[gorgonzolaaa]

Yes, yes, yes. I take murder, child molestation, slavery, lying, etc. "out of context". I know, I know. When you put these evil things into context, a halo appears over Muhammad's head.

[oroge]

Rape is a big crime that could actually take the woman's or the victim's life away. Let us examine how Christianity deals with the rapist: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)"

[gorgonzolaaa]

You need to burn your "How To Debate Christians For Dummies" book. You're just making a fool out of yourself.

The word rape does not appear in the original Hebrew text, and you chose the one translation that mistranslates the Hebrew. It's just about an unmarried couple getting caught having sex.

[oroge]

not in chicago and new york or texas and even if it is completely true(wich it is not) 25% of muslims that stay are still a blessing. and the rest of the world still cannot cope with the figure come to london islam is spreading like a wild flower its beautiful there is at least one mosque in every borough in london birmingham and manchester

[gorgonzolaaa]

Islam has no flower. It spreads like cancer. Look at the world. Where Islam dominates, it destroys. Muslims come here to escape the destruction which they are destined to cause.

[oroge]

thi is ignorance you speak the muslim world is destroyed by kaffirs iraq was safer before americans invaded it and fyi the term muslim world is very ignorant because islam is everywhere modernity of the west through the senaisance was ushered in by islam if it was not for us you lot would still be cursing water and refusing to bathe. salaam

[gorgonzolaaa]

The Muslim world is where Islamic law prevails. Destruction in these countries occurs not because of outsiders, but because of Islam. Look at the entire Muslim world, not those places that the West is desperately trying (most likely in vain) to pacify. Countries like Egypt have no excuse.

Hygiene does not come from trying to wash Satan out of your nose. Science occurs in spite of Islam, not because of it.

Do not wish me peace when your religion forbids it.

[oroge]

oh ye of little knowledge the west does not try to pacicy but merely exploit, iraq was illegal if it was not for us you would still bathe once a week for fear that doing it more

would peel of your skin.muslim contribution to mathematics eg algebra is imeasurable as in chemistry and geography in fact arabic numerals alone accelerated the progress of science imagine calculating your tax return in roman numerals

[gorgonzolaaa]

Tell us, then, o ye of inadequate taqiyya. Where are the great wealths that the U.S. has reaped from Iraq and Afghanistan?

What do arabic numerals have to do with Islam? Most scientific and mathematical advances took place outside the Islamic world, and most of the ones that took place inside, were done by non-Muslims and apostates, some scheduled for execution for apostasy.

[oroge]

bull. ask bush about the great wealths he has reaped and is still reaping. muslims already made their advancements before they came to europe and if it wasnt for us your ancestors would have all died from plagues due to their poor hygene or lack of it we introduced your world to arabic numerals and muslims were inspired to make discoveries by th Quran

[gorgonzolaaa]

Lol are you still on Arabic Numerals? They were not Arabic; they were Indian. In fact, in Arabic, they're called Indian Numerals. In any event, they're pre-Islam, and if you want to give Islam credit for bringing it to the West, then, thanks, for Islam being the West's delivery boy.

The black plague started in EGYPT. That's right, black plague, started in a Muslim country. So much for washing Satan out of your nose.

[oroge]

bullshit bubonic plague is the fruit of europe and arabic numerals saved you. now go shower or are you scared to peel your skin?

[gorgonzolaaa]

I hope you are having fun deluding yourself.

If you want to give credit to Islam for European hygiene, knock yourself out. It was not personal hygiene, but sanitation and immunity that saved them. Europeans are still disgusting, dirty people by American standards.

It's no secret that in Islamic countries, people spit, urinate, and defecate in the streets. Muhammad had lice, and bathed in water with dead dogs in it, as recorded in the Ahadith.

[oroge]

by american standards tell me what parts of america there is nothing you have listed that does not happen in america we see you idiots on tv ive been to america your the one who is deluded england and holand are 10 times cleaner than america and if you really wanna go into it puerto rico is a christian country as are mexico, argentina, chile brazil, uraguay and these places are much dirtier than the middle east fool.

[gorgonzolaaa]

That's it, make yourself feel better by comparing your hygeine to Puerto Rico. Roflmao!

Only Islam would consider physical cleanliness part of its religion, and even at that, it isn't very good.

Matthew 15:11 "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

[oroge]

dont get me started on the bible the same book that says its okay to rape single women if we marry them. the same bible that advises us to hurl babies on rocks. cleanliness is next to godliness you think hygeine does not matter to God whatever happened to your body being a temple?

[gorgonzolaaa]

The Bible says no such thing. I've been through these fallacious arguments with Muslims who do not understand the Bible a thousand times before you came along.

[oroge]

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Brutality to apostates in the bible

[gorgonzolaaa]

I love when Muslims get so desperate that they have to attack the Bible, because they can no longer defend Islam. Islam is falling apart under its own weight.

Now go away and come back with the COMPLETE Deuteronomy 17:3-5 so we can see how you are trying to deceive people.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Let's take a look to see what Islam says about apostasy:

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17: Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

[oroge]

you are ignorant and racist the lowest of the low this argument is pointless because scum like you no nothing and have seen nothing your arguments have only proven what i already guessed your just another prejudiced american. get an education.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Ad hominem. *yawn*

[gorgonzolaaa]

Islam is not a race. Get a dictionary.

[oroge]

oh but it is my friend once you are a muslim you are muslim your nationality makes no difference nor does your color.

[gorgonzolaaa]

And.. How does that make Islam a race? Again, buy yourself a dictionary.

[oroge]

oh but it is

[gorgonzolaaa]

A race is a subset of humans based on common and distinctive physical characteristics, most commonly skin color. Which physical characteristics are these for the "race" of Islam?

[oroge]

Christians always say as an excuse that an Old Testament law does not apply to them. According to Matthew 5:17-18, we clearly see that Jesus honored the Old Testament, and forced Christians to follow the unmodified laws of it that have not been replaced by newer ones in the New Testament.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Go learn the concept of a covenant. Also read the Bible, and notice that alot of it says explicitly that it applies only to certain groups, most notably to Israel as a nation, or to particular tribes.

[oroge]

ooooooh really so it was okay for just them to rape and kill women and kids know one else i get it. p.s i do read the bible and i have one here now

[gorgonzolaaa]

Bukhari: V9B89N256 "Allah's Apostle said, 'You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin.'"

So much for color making no difference in Islam.

[oroge]

he was not racist but the arabs he spoke to were and he had to speak to them in a way they would listen

[gorgonzolaaa]

Why are you calling Muhammad a liar? I agree that he's a liar, but am curious why a Muslim would call him a liar.

[oroge]

lol try ttwistin my words why dont you allelujah your a real christian

[gorgonzolaaa]

I didn't twist your words at all. You said that Muhammad told people what they wanted to hear, regardless of whether it was true. Or do you believe that he was actually a racist? Choose either one. Either way, Islam is false.

[oroge]

they reffered to black people in such ways and he simply tried to put it across no matter how your leader looks black or otherwise follow him

[gorgonzolaaa]

Lol! When he said "even if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin", he was saying obey your ruler, even if he were the lowest form of life on the planet. They did not have real leaders that were black raisin head African slaves! Roflmao!

[oroge]

you put that meaning there not us and by. and actually some arabs were slave to africans in abysinnia but it is not very well documented.

he was not racist and proof of this is in his last public speech before his death!

[oroge]

if anything you are the one who fails to refute the biblical filth. and there is so much i feel sorry for you

[oroge]

want more heres some genocide1 Samuel 15:2-4

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

[gorgonzolaaa]

The Amalekites attacked the Israelites on their exodus from Egypt, and spent 200 years constantly raiding Israel and murdering Jews. They raised generation after generation of nothing but terrorists. Given that they had 200 years during which they could have stopped raiding and avoiding this fate, I'd say it's quite generous that they weren't wiped out earlier.

[oroge]

so you defend the murder of innocent children?

[oroge]

The Old Testament as we clearly see above orders the immediate killing of apostates/renegades. The New Testament as we also clearly see above, orders the death of the apostates/renegades. And according to Matthew 5:17-18 above, apostates/renegades in Christianity must be put to death simultaneously

[oroge]

no faith has done more damage to the world than christianity. brunei is islamic it does well libya the same english people are running to dubai and gambia even morroco

[gorgonzolaaa]

Dubai is the best you could come up with?

From the State Department:

"Americans in the United Arab Emirates should exercise a high level of security awareness. The Department of State remains concerned about the possibility of terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens and interests throughout the world. Americans should maintain a low profile, vary routes and times for all required travel, and treat mail and packages from unfamiliar sources with caution."

[oroge]

their is still gambia morroco libya kuwait, togo and nigeria westerners are migrating heavilly especially in the uk

[gorgonzolaaa]

Yes, and all these countries are crown jewels of Islam. *yawn*

Portuguese vacation in Morocco to go offroading. They like driving around in the dirt of Islam.

[oroge]

so there are no desserts in america or any other christian countries? lol. ignorance remember please america is not the christian world and the middle east is not the islamic world.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Of course there are deserts in America. We don't brag about them as enlightened centers of civilization.

[gorgonzolaaa]

But please, enlighten us. Why do you live in the West? Are you doing your part to expand the worldwide caliphate, or do you just think that your lifestyle is better in the West than it could be under Islamic law?

[oroge]

be you do you mean me? or refugees? i run a buissiness wich has branches in europe and africa, as for the middle easteners perhaps its the mayhem your governments have caused in their homelands directly and remotely with bombs and unfair trading laws good strategy though destroy their homes and then give them visas so they can come over to your country in an attempt to nullify their way of life pity its back firing eh?

[streetbabi]

I dont know but Goethe become a Muslim before he died.

[NoStrangerForYou]

subhanallah:)

[SyedRizvi786110]

did napolean become muslim?

[NoStrangerForYou]

Allah knows:)

[ahmadpower]

allah huakbar!!!

[NoStrangerForYou]

Tekbir:)ALLAHU AKBAR

[786sheerali]

MASHUALLAH MASHUALLAH !!!!!!!

[NoStrangerForYou]

jazzakallah khair

Allahu akbar