I might be wrong but this looks very weird to me. I think the student's skills were not up to this task i.e. this excercise should have come much later and after much more practice and to me the instructors were very slow reacting to the situation. I would definitely have stopped filming and gone to help the guy instead. I think this dive was seconds from disaster.
I do remember on my cave diving course, we did have someone who almost died, his neck was cut on a sharp rock when we were going out of an opening and there wasn't too much to do help him. He lost alot of blood, and when we got back up the surface, the cut got alot bigger and the whole water was red. He got very sick, but he recovered.
This video is somewhat unique. I guess the guy doesnt even understand what a close call that was. If this was performed somewhat deeper, this one would be a RIP movie.
hmm ok seadiver2 but there are also good dive stories and videos on the net... try the myscubastory site. type myscubastory into google and its the first one
this is a great video, especially for new divers like myself, it reminds us that things do go wrong and we can't just learn and forget because if that happened to a new diver there might have been one more death statistic at DAN
Converted into english, 5 c at 36m. I would suggest buying equipment suited to these depths and temperatures. I regularly dive to these, here in the uk, and have not had a freeflow in over 2 years. Still practice freeflow drills though.
The valve drill is actually much easier when done hovering flat or slightly head down instead of kneeling, with gravity helping get the valves closer to your hands.
No idea why the drill is being performed at depth. Freeflows usually happen through a stage freezing but can also occur through sudden changes in pressure, which is what seems to have happened here during reg changes. Often the cracking pressure is too sensitive and usually just needs tweaking to de-sensitize the cracking point. Good regs such as APEKS are usually fine tuned but adjustable to suit the environment such as depth or in current.
well done by the diver as well as his buddy. notice how one of the buddies gets on top to keep him from fleeing to the surface. great work by all parties!
Free Flow is when the regulator fails and all the air in the tank will flow out as fast as it can through the regulator. You learn how to deal with this situation during basic dive training. During free flow, you can't breathe through the regulator, but can "sip" the air out of the bubble stream.
@SuperVactioner You know, I never really knew much about Johnny Cash or appreciated him until he started doing some of these cover songs like this Trent Reznor Nine Inch Nails cover. Pretty cool he was up to doing this, he pulled it off. It's a better piece of music when Johnny sings it.
What about explosive diarrhea at depth? Why isnt that ever covered in most training exercises? It's a serious problem, and one which shouldnt be overlooked. By uncle was injured in exactly that type of accident.
free flows at depth no matter the temp is inevitable, and that is why in any type of proper tech training you learn to deal with this. Not your buddy shutting off your valves, or any of that nonsense, you and you only are responsible for YOU! First lesson in proper tech training. That being said APEKS work best in cold water that I have found. Scubaflow (scubapro) have free flowed on me in warm water many times and with many of my buddies, if you tech stay away from those monsters!
@kma0818 I'm new to diving. I bought Zeagle gear. Hope it's good. But what totally amazed me in the initial training classes is that you can breath free flow bubbles, I thought I was going to drown, it wasn't properly explained and I couldn't believe it until I tried it.
It's hard to see, but all the bubbles seem to be coming from the mask, not a dropped regulator with a free flow. I (don't know, but) think that he is wearing a full mask with a closed mask pressure valve. So the pressure of the breathing gas builds up and eventually escapes the mask, letting water inside while the mask regulator freezes resulting in a bubblebath in his face. Having the mask valve open lets some breathing gas escape when the pressure inside the mask is higher than outside.
What a complete disaster. That was a simple freeflow which should have been handled much better. Hopefully this was just a training dive as how this was handled was a complete and utter disaster. These guys are not ready for anything challenging.
This is why drills are important. I'm only guessing here but it might have been easier to do the valve shutdown drill horizontally as opposed to that vertical position.
Fourth, why do a drill at 120 down when that should have been mastered long before slinging a deco bottle.
Fifth, where is this persons primary light to conduct signaling, what if it were a fun dive and he needed to signal for attention in dark murky water?
Im stopping here because Im getting sick of seeing posts on what a great job everyone did. What they really did was set this poor guy up to fail and possibly die as a result of poor teaching and direction.
@ScubaInChicago I'm a new dive student, I know of free flow, but what actually killed him? I love the water, I love scuba, but never dived deeper than 65 ft. I'm starting commercial school in Jan, and I'm researching every danger possible and how to prevent it.
Secondly, the instant that reg free flowed the person watching should have had the long hose deployed and in the divers face. Was he waiting till the tanks were completely emptied so he could swallow down ice water?
Third, to the posters who dont have a clue on tech gear configuration. The 7 long hose is the primary and is what is donated to an OOG diver, the backup is placed on a 24 LP hose and is held around the neck by bungee or surgical tubing and is not meant for sharing.
Thoughtful insights. Commendable. But, it is a class and the purpose of a class is to educate a student and hopefully they learn something, mistakes or otherwise. Continued failure should also mean failure to qualify or certify. I would also submit that 120 ft in a entry level tech class under proper supervision is a very manageable situation.
Your comment couldnt be further from the truth. Youre carrying extra gas in your tanks as part of the plan if something goes wrong at depth and need to help a teammate to the surface while making all necessary deco stops. You also wouldnt want a quick disconnect as its an unnecessary failure point. Its part of the point of the drill in this video, to shut down the offending valve and switch to the operating one which has it's own backup worn directly under the neck on a bungee.
Firstly, this video is a disgrace to technical divers and a bad call on the instructors behalf. Your crawl before walking should have meant being able to perform the valve drills in a horizontal position not to exceed 20 degrees out of horizontal trim. While performing this drill buoyancy shouldnt exceed 3 +/- for a new tech diver.
Had this happen to me twice but we train in the pool for it. When a gas in passes in a DV from high to low pressure, freezing point changes and if your in extremely cold water and usually with plastic regs then you get ice forming . The plastic regs are insulated well and this build up of ice particles can freeze your valve open giving you too much air. You need to crimp the pressure hose to stem the flow or change regs and crease the supply hose fully. keep the reg dry before dive.
Normally associated with freezing water in the first stage cuased by the cooling down effect of the compressed air from the tank being 'uncompressed' from 220 Bar to 20 Bar.
Your regulator starts "freely" delivering air which is like taking an air hose and sticking in your mouth and pulling the trigger. Almost unusable and at 140 feet and 41 degrees it is easy to panic.
The best regulator is whatever regulator an individual prefers and has had positive results with, Mares or otherwise. I own Mares gear and it's great for recreational scuba. But generally, Mares is not known for exceptional cold water or Tech regs. That would usually, but not exclusively, be the realm of Scubapro, Apeks, Atomic, OMS, Diverite and Poseiden.
That was a nice video. I will start my technical dive training this winter. I am aware of the dangers but Greece is a Top place for scuba Diving now a days and since I am a free diver for allmost all my life I think I'll be all right...all I have to say is...Never Dive Alone!
When ur learning so much in lessons, its reli much harder to put ur training to use in such instances, as its natural to panic. Easy to practice what to do incase of free flow, but when it does happen its scary. Glad to say, that only ever experienced one free flow, which was in the pool, and just as the reg hit the water - lucky me. Safe diving everyone
It is technically easier to go to the moon and back then dive at extreme depths. I will leave this type of diving to the folks without kids, brains or both. Save diving!
cazzo è il mio incunubo!!! :( da risalita con il cuore in gola e lacrime appena sei in superfice vicino alla barca e ai tuoi amici che ti hanno aiutato....
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I'm not sure what a "free-flow" accident is, but if it's what I think it is - who cares? You are already soaking wet anyway....For the life of me I can't see the appeal. It's freaking cold, dark, 100 plus feet down, AND you probably have to fork out thousands and thousands of dollars to do it. Why not go collect rabid animals or juggle shards of glass and HIV contaminated needles?
It's can be quite amazing when diving a coral reef, kind of akin to visiting another planet.
Free flow is when your regulator just spits out air continously at high pressure which makes it difficult - impossible to breathe out of and will empty your tank of air in a very short period of time. Nite regulator free flow occurs at 3:03
dude...r u blind?...free flow is where ur regulator thows out air at an uncontrollable rate...you can see in this vid that a vast amount of air is coming out of his regulator
Teckies; don't ya just luv 'em? Why didn't he switch the side that was free flowing off and go to his other reg? I thought that was the point of having a reg on both sides. Good idea not to use regs that don't freeze at low temps too. Don't real old school teckies use Poseidon regs not scooby-pro's?
Technical SCUBA diving is diving other than conventional commercial or research diving that takes divers beyond recreational diving limits.
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In sweden we say Hur fan kan tyskar va så kaxiga efter att dom förlorat 2 världskrig.....Rufly translatet How the fuck can germans be so cocky after losing 2 world wars ...
wow is it a padi open water whit tech gear?? divers have never any time in the dive where ever in the world need to sit on there knees ....... I dive cold water every winter when i ice dive and here in sweden its always cold when you go a little deeper, been diving for 14 ears and never had any frezing.. service your gear and buy good stuff like scubapro, all my regulators both back gas and deco and stage are scubapro MK25 G600 and never had problems like frezing..
Whats important about this video is that he executed the skill in a no pressure exercise; moments later though when the event occurred for real the diver required the assistance of the safety diver to perform the skill. Practice is not perfect, so practice never stops.
I'm sorry, can someone with scooba diving explain what happened to them, or him? I have alway's wanted to scooba dive but I don't know about now, because, I don't understand what happened!?
Hmm I have had a couple of free flows at 20m+ in very very cold water. its no porblem if you know what to do and what to expect.
Tapped buddy on sholder. we ascended to 10m and he turned my air off to let the reg and 1st stage defrost ( yep icey lol) and we air shared up to the surface and sorted it out.
The scary part is watching your air gauge drop like a brick.220 200 190 170....
WOW, scary stuff when you see it happening. I've dove to 100' in Alaska and you try to picture how you and your partner would deal with free flow, thankfully i haven't had to.
im 16, i recently passed my advanced grade open water, however doing my wreck dive at 20m down i had a massive free flow from my regulator valves freezig open, on both my main and emergency, being open water i didnt know what to do until my buddy and instructor came to me. it was an "oh shit!" moment but i remembered the free flow breathing and it was ok.
The first stage is used to reduce pressure from 200 (or 300 bar) to 8 to 10 bar above ambient pressure. In this case the air expands and cools down (same principle as a fridge). This is not a problem in warm water, but in cold water the 1st stage can freeze, causing it to go in free flow. Free flow meaning that the 1st stage of the regulator constantly releases air.
2) Cave! Both primary and octopus have long hoses. How could your, out of air, dive buddy follow you out of a narrow cave tunnel if your octopus hose is only 3 feet long?
3) Hogarthian Config. is now called "DIR Diving", DO IT RIGHT. It mentions a method to secure a 5-7 foot hose of the octopus to streamline the equipment.
The DIR config is a primary regulator on a 7' long hose and a backup regulator on a short hose secured around the neck with a bungee. The primary hose is held in place by routing under a canister lamp. That's all there is to it. It originated in cave diving but is suitable for all sorts of diving. In recreational diving a 5' hose can be used which does not need to route under the lamp cannister.
2) Cave! Both primary and octopus have long hoses. How could your, out of air, dive buddy follow you out of a narrow cave tunnel if your octopus hose is only 3 feet long?
3) Hogarthian Config. is now called "DIR Diving", DO IT RIGHT. It mentions a method to secure a 5-7 foot hose of the octopus to streamline the equipment.
Jeez, these clowns are doing valve shutdowns on their knees. Handy as long as your equipment only ever fails while you are kneeling on the bottom. If you can't do a shutdown horizontal while controlling your buoyancy you shouldn't be tech diving.
Do you know these Divers? Is this the trainee's first Tec training dive or 20th?
If you are a Diver, did you not learn all your skills first time on a platform? Did your Instructor have you do your first open-water mask removal and replacement mid-water?
Also, read the title, they were doing training on what looks like the mask removal and recover exercise when a free flow occurred. The Trainee was unable to shut off the valve on his own. The Divemaster shut it down and a while later the instructor did hand over his octopus at 3:40 but the trainee was already in panic mode.
There's nothing wrong with first learning how to shut down valves while kneeling in shallow water. However, you are right. If you can't do it when horizontal, you have no business tech diving. That's why I posted the video.
Having someone shut down my air for me would freak me out. BTW Forexjunkie I agree totally on independent doubles... and that would make about 50 people on the planet but thats ok.
Don't know the name of the song, but it's Johnny Cash. I'm pretty sure it was on his very last CD - the one that came out a couple years ago just after he passed away.
I'm a PADI Divemaster, certified in wreck and ice diving. And I have helped train a number of fire departments in ice diving. I and can't figure out why there was a big problem here. Even if this guy had a free flow, he should have had a backup regulator (octopus). Even if his tank went empty the other 2 guys should have had backup octopus regulators and I know the third spare tanks that each were carrying had regulators.
There really wasn't a big problem. Well, other than the diver's inadequate flexibility - he couldn't shut down either the offending tank's valve or his isolator valve. That's why the one diver has to swim over and shuts him down. At that point, any prudent dive team would make a controlled ascent rather than rack up a deco obligation. The point was to show those that may be tempted to dive beyond their training what can and does happen.
True. The video's caption made it sound like the guy died. I do see the Instructor passing over his octopus at 3:40 but at 3:51 it looks like they dropped it. Guess they got it back to him. At the very end it looks like the trainee was kicking his feet.
When I Divemaster I always hover behind the trainee ready to pounce if something happens. Had at least 3 try to bolt for the surface.
Note: Recreational SCUBA is very safe but it ends at 130 feet deep. After that your on your own.
First, if you put a second stage regulator on an extended length low-pressure hose, wrap a bungee around it how would that not be an octopus? Or is it just an octopus on a longer hose?
Maybe when I was selling them I gave the wrong items to all my divers doing the Andrea Doria.
Second, since you refer to a recreational diving encyclopedia, you best not be doing any tec diving as recreational diving it only to a depth of 130 feet.
The Bungie Style - Donating from One's Retaining Device
This style places the safe second or octopus hose in some type of surgical tubing or restrictive band. This band is placed on the side of the tanks, along the manifold or on the back plate. Divers who use a long hose (usually 5-7 ft. or 1.5-2 m) on their safe second usually `stuff` this hose during the equipment assembly portion of the dive.
haha sniperserg, recreational scuba diving is NOT the most dangerous sport in the world, even tech diving is not the most dangerous comes in close at number two but not the most.
I might be wrong but this looks very weird to me. I think the student's skills were not up to this task i.e. this excercise should have come much later and after much more practice and to me the instructors were very slow reacting to the situation. I would definitely have stopped filming and gone to help the guy instead. I think this dive was seconds from disaster.
amasodiksztalingrad 1 week ago
Do It Right morons ?
a6km 3 months ago
I guess diving is fun though? Why would people take these risks otherwise.
KleineHansel 3 months ago
I do remember on my cave diving course, we did have someone who almost died, his neck was cut on a sharp rock when we were going out of an opening and there wasn't too much to do help him. He lost alot of blood, and when we got back up the surface, the cut got alot bigger and the whole water was red. He got very sick, but he recovered.
lizardgizzard108 3 months ago
This video is somewhat unique. I guess the guy doesnt even understand what a close call that was. If this was performed somewhat deeper, this one would be a RIP movie.
Brigadieri777 6 months ago
I cried
Kamariah27 9 months ago
hmm ok seadiver2 but there are also good dive stories and videos on the net... try the myscubastory site. type myscubastory into google and its the first one
marinefish321 11 months ago
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yes seagirl19 but there are also good dive stories on the internet, try the myscubastory site. type myscubastory into google and its the first one
seasnake321 11 months ago
this is a great video, especially for new divers like myself, it reminds us that things do go wrong and we can't just learn and forget because if that happened to a new diver there might have been one more death statistic at DAN
emparo 11 months ago
I CANT C WTF HAPPENED TO HIM?
kzd209 11 months ago
@kzd209 His main bottle started to blow, I guess, because they closed his main bottles valves, you are lucky when you have twins in that situation...
matsopelle 9 months ago
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scubagirl123, you can try get more stories on the web, eg the myscubastory site . Type myscubastory into google and its the first one, enjoy!
marinefish321 1 year ago
Also need to get fins suited to what they are doing. Volo fins are good for diveing but not pushing 4 bottles and gear around tech diveing.
Just sayin'
nomaxdepth 1 year ago
So Did he die? Or not? (no diving experiance/knowledge at all) just watching diving videos out of curiosity.
octavian300 1 year ago
@octavian300 No, he didn't die. Just a little shaken up.
jpd971 1 year ago
In my opinion the result of a freeflow was because of poor equipment and fast breathing of a diver, the response of other divers was also slow.
TheMichaeldiver 1 year ago
Converted into english, 5 c at 36m. I would suggest buying equipment suited to these depths and temperatures. I regularly dive to these, here in the uk, and have not had a freeflow in over 2 years. Still practice freeflow drills though.
hallie1970 1 year ago
Frogkicks with volos wtf?
Hjerpe90 1 year ago
The valve drill is actually much easier when done hovering flat or slightly head down instead of kneeling, with gravity helping get the valves closer to your hands.
rongoodman21 1 year ago
ddboris tech diving in caves has crystal clear water
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cloudburstlenepmhq 1 year ago
What happened? Why somebody say that he died?
matsopelle 1 year ago
tech dive is boring anyway...not much lifeform ,shitty visibility and equipement failure is mostly what hapenned down there....
ddboris 1 year ago
beautifull song anway dive safe all ^^
overdosed10 1 year ago
Further to my comment, depth related freeflows can often be cured in the water by turning down the venturi and briefly sealing the mouth piece.
garylegge 1 year ago
No idea why the drill is being performed at depth. Freeflows usually happen through a stage freezing but can also occur through sudden changes in pressure, which is what seems to have happened here during reg changes. Often the cracking pressure is too sensitive and usually just needs tweaking to de-sensitize the cracking point. Good regs such as APEKS are usually fine tuned but adjustable to suit the environment such as depth or in current.
garylegge 1 year ago
kudos to the dive buddy that prevents the struggling diver from racing to the surface. Well controlled at such a deep depth.
brisbanetim 1 year ago
Thanks!
VegasLifeStyles 1 year ago
well done by the diver as well as his buddy. notice how one of the buddies gets on top to keep him from fleeing to the surface. great work by all parties!
mattcollins84 2 years ago
Free Flow is when the regulator fails and all the air in the tank will flow out as fast as it can through the regulator. You learn how to deal with this situation during basic dive training. During free flow, you can't breathe through the regulator, but can "sip" the air out of the bubble stream.
hotzelj 2 years ago
a free flowing regulator means the regulator lets out air at a very fast rate. And Yes... SCUBA DIVING ROCKS!!!
lionelwoolf 2 years ago
Ah yes, more perpetuation of dive snobbery
texasbob12 2 years ago
@SuperVactioner You know, I never really knew much about Johnny Cash or appreciated him until he started doing some of these cover songs like this Trent Reznor Nine Inch Nails cover. Pretty cool he was up to doing this, he pulled it off. It's a better piece of music when Johnny sings it.
Delticola 2 years ago
Could that be Mermett ? This is why we train, so we will know what to do and NOT PANIC
1scubaman 2 years ago
What about explosive diarrhea at depth? Why isnt that ever covered in most training exercises? It's a serious problem, and one which shouldnt be overlooked. By uncle was injured in exactly that type of accident.
eggbertsmith 2 years ago
free flows at depth no matter the temp is inevitable, and that is why in any type of proper tech training you learn to deal with this. Not your buddy shutting off your valves, or any of that nonsense, you and you only are responsible for YOU! First lesson in proper tech training. That being said APEKS work best in cold water that I have found. Scubaflow (scubapro) have free flowed on me in warm water many times and with many of my buddies, if you tech stay away from those monsters!
kma0818 2 years ago
@kma0818 I'm new to diving. I bought Zeagle gear. Hope it's good. But what totally amazed me in the initial training classes is that you can breath free flow bubbles, I thought I was going to drown, it wasn't properly explained and I couldn't believe it until I tried it.
Delticola 2 years ago
It's hard to see, but all the bubbles seem to be coming from the mask, not a dropped regulator with a free flow. I (don't know, but) think that he is wearing a full mask with a closed mask pressure valve. So the pressure of the breathing gas builds up and eventually escapes the mask, letting water inside while the mask regulator freezes resulting in a bubblebath in his face. Having the mask valve open lets some breathing gas escape when the pressure inside the mask is higher than outside.
Kahuna76 2 years ago
What a complete disaster. That was a simple freeflow which should have been handled much better. Hopefully this was just a training dive as how this was handled was a complete and utter disaster. These guys are not ready for anything challenging.
wlo93 2 years ago
What is the song?
teachnorth123 2 years ago
"Hurt" by Johnny Cash
ElovesB7 2 years ago
Johnny Cash's cover from NIN's Hurt
AlacargamiROCKANROLL 2 years ago
This is why drills are important. I'm only guessing here but it might have been easier to do the valve shutdown drill horizontally as opposed to that vertical position.
GNRHexen 2 years ago
wats the name of the songe
graffiti525 2 years ago
rest in peace diver
graffiti525 2 years ago
that was scary. P.S was that song by warren zevon
MrJimbo008 2 years ago
free flows are easy to deal with, you learn this in your very first course. I've had free flow twice before and not been worried at all.
bigrock123 2 years ago
Does the videographer suffers Parkinson desease?
scubazmei 2 years ago
Fourth, why do a drill at 120 down when that should have been mastered long before slinging a deco bottle.
Fifth, where is this persons primary light to conduct signaling, what if it were a fun dive and he needed to signal for attention in dark murky water?
Im stopping here because Im getting sick of seeing posts on what a great job everyone did. What they really did was set this poor guy up to fail and possibly die as a result of poor teaching and direction.
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DiverSixx 2 years ago
@ScubaInChicago I'm a new dive student, I know of free flow, but what actually killed him? I love the water, I love scuba, but never dived deeper than 65 ft. I'm starting commercial school in Jan, and I'm researching every danger possible and how to prevent it.
VReign 1 year ago
@ScubaInChicago 120' means 120 feet I think mate.
WolfieTed 1 year ago
Secondly, the instant that reg free flowed the person watching should have had the long hose deployed and in the divers face. Was he waiting till the tanks were completely emptied so he could swallow down ice water?
Third, to the posters who dont have a clue on tech gear configuration. The 7 long hose is the primary and is what is donated to an OOG diver, the backup is placed on a 24 LP hose and is held around the neck by bungee or surgical tubing and is not meant for sharing.
ScubaInChicago 2 years ago 5
Thoughtful insights. Commendable. But, it is a class and the purpose of a class is to educate a student and hopefully they learn something, mistakes or otherwise. Continued failure should also mean failure to qualify or certify. I would also submit that 120 ft in a entry level tech class under proper supervision is a very manageable situation.
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DiverSixx 2 years ago
Your comment couldnt be further from the truth. Youre carrying extra gas in your tanks as part of the plan if something goes wrong at depth and need to help a teammate to the surface while making all necessary deco stops. You also wouldnt want a quick disconnect as its an unnecessary failure point. Its part of the point of the drill in this video, to shut down the offending valve and switch to the operating one which has it's own backup worn directly under the neck on a bungee.
ScubaInChicago 2 years ago
Im not Tech I just go by what they tell me.
DiverSixx 2 years ago
Firstly, this video is a disgrace to technical divers and a bad call on the instructors behalf. Your crawl before walking should have meant being able to perform the valve drills in a horizontal position not to exceed 20 degrees out of horizontal trim. While performing this drill buoyancy shouldnt exceed 3 +/- for a new tech diver.
ScubaInChicago 2 years ago 23
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Awesome job guys very nicely done! You get my 5 stars once again nicely done!
Hammerhead250SS 2 years ago
Had this happen to me twice but we train in the pool for it. When a gas in passes in a DV from high to low pressure, freezing point changes and if your in extremely cold water and usually with plastic regs then you get ice forming . The plastic regs are insulated well and this build up of ice particles can freeze your valve open giving you too much air. You need to crimp the pressure hose to stem the flow or change regs and crease the supply hose fully. keep the reg dry before dive.
Razziray 2 years ago
this looks a bit like oronogo
golddogy2424 2 years ago
Normally associated with freezing water in the first stage cuased by the cooling down effect of the compressed air from the tank being 'uncompressed' from 220 Bar to 20 Bar.
MollieMcBullets 2 years ago
Can anyone explain in laymens terms what freeflow etc .. means ??
jimbob150555 2 years ago
Your regulator starts "freely" delivering air which is like taking an air hose and sticking in your mouth and pulling the trigger. Almost unusable and at 140 feet and 41 degrees it is easy to panic.
2523217006 2 years ago 2
freeflow means that your regulator begins to freely release air. when you are diving, this is a bad thing.
jvanhyfte 2 years ago
but you open the reguletor and not the tank valv??
danieleriver 2 years ago
best cold water regs hands down for service, maintenance, and over all use is Apeks.
Barry198469 2 years ago
sorry, but the best one in cold water is Mares Abyss 22 Extreme
hakamuri1 2 years ago
The best regulator is whatever regulator an individual prefers and has had positive results with, Mares or otherwise. I own Mares gear and it's great for recreational scuba. But generally, Mares is not known for exceptional cold water or Tech regs. That would usually, but not exclusively, be the realm of Scubapro, Apeks, Atomic, OMS, Diverite and Poseiden.
Irondiver1 2 years ago
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Barry198469 2 years ago
Hurt - Jonny Cash
bigez0817 2 years ago
That was a nice video. I will start my technical dive training this winter. I am aware of the dangers but Greece is a Top place for scuba Diving now a days and since I am a free diver for allmost all my life I think I'll be all right...all I have to say is...Never Dive Alone!
jupiterrider 2 years ago
Great soundtrack
texasbob12 2 years ago
Why are they using splitfins with that gear? And why is he swimming like a PADI OWD? Plonker.
bigswede1977 2 years ago
When ur learning so much in lessons, its reli much harder to put ur training to use in such instances, as its natural to panic. Easy to practice what to do incase of free flow, but when it does happen its scary. Glad to say, that only ever experienced one free flow, which was in the pool, and just as the reg hit the water - lucky me. Safe diving everyone
rcheliboy 2 years ago
He should've remembered his training.
Keizar22 2 years ago
by a new erogator man!! take the mistal!!
danieleriver 2 years ago
Use Zeagle Tech 50's and you would not have that problem. I dove the midwest for 20 years.
worldsailor128 2 years ago
forgive me for sounding stupid, but did i just watch someone die?
bloodanddirt 2 years ago
no mate he was still alive when he was comming up you can see his fins waving :) but that was some serious ''free flow '' and on that depth
IROOnMIKE 2 years ago
ok, i thought so, the music was just so depressing i wasnt sure
bloodanddirt 2 years ago
Thats what i was thinking, no way I'm ever going down to this depth.
johnhatkinson 2 years ago
Why the hell didn't he use an enviormentally sealed regulator? That is what I use and I live in Wisconsin.
GreatLakesDiver24 2 years ago
good song
Hurt by Johnny cash last song he ever made.
youpube1011 2 years ago
I think I would have pooped my wetsuit if that had happened to me.
downithaca 2 years ago
GET A SHERWOOD BLIZZARD REG. excellent cold water reg. I live in Wisconsin so all I do is cold water.
GIBMAKER 2 years ago
It is technically easier to go to the moon and back then dive at extreme depths. I will leave this type of diving to the folks without kids, brains or both. Save diving!
jeboccuzzi10 2 years ago
cazzo è il mio incunubo!!! :( da risalita con il cuore in gola e lacrime appena sei in superfice vicino alla barca e ai tuoi amici che ti hanno aiutato....
danieleriver 2 years ago
whats happened?
Floh84 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I'm not sure what a "free-flow" accident is, but if it's what I think it is - who cares? You are already soaking wet anyway....For the life of me I can't see the appeal. It's freaking cold, dark, 100 plus feet down, AND you probably have to fork out thousands and thousands of dollars to do it. Why not go collect rabid animals or juggle shards of glass and HIV contaminated needles?
MyaHolburnz 2 years ago
It's can be quite amazing when diving a coral reef, kind of akin to visiting another planet.
Free flow is when your regulator just spits out air continously at high pressure which makes it difficult - impossible to breathe out of and will empty your tank of air in a very short period of time. Nite regulator free flow occurs at 3:03
BJAC123 2 years ago
dude...r u blind?...free flow is where ur regulator thows out air at an uncontrollable rate...you can see in this vid that a vast amount of air is coming out of his regulator
stupcat92 2 years ago
This happened to me on Sunday, it was a cold dark quarry dive too. Luckily im trained well, and remaind calm. Dive within you limits ppl.
lemur28 3 years ago
how cold was the water?
mattn747 3 years ago
41 degrees, it says it at 0:40
srgsbdbal 2 years ago
Teckies; don't ya just luv 'em? Why didn't he switch the side that was free flowing off and go to his other reg? I thought that was the point of having a reg on both sides. Good idea not to use regs that don't freeze at low temps too. Don't real old school teckies use Poseidon regs not scooby-pro's?
diverdown0191 3 years ago
but but but he had his McPADI DEEP DIVER shoulder patch!
cwiller 3 years ago
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olibray 3 years ago
In sweden we say Hur fan kan tyskar va så kaxiga efter att dom förlorat 2 världskrig.....Rufly translatet How the fuck can germans be so cocky after losing 2 world wars ...
defenderofsweden 3 years ago
hahahah :P
chrisje3000 3 years ago
Thanks
Dive Safe
ScubaToronto 3 years ago
What song is this ?
ScubaToronto 3 years ago
Hurt - Johnny Cash originally by Nine Inch Nails.
nwsac 3 years ago
I lawled so hard I'm replying to a 5 month old post =D.
galahad1st 2 years ago
Thank God things worked out ok.
Yeah, get good equipement.
JustWonderingHowToDo 3 years ago
wow is it a padi open water whit tech gear?? divers have never any time in the dive where ever in the world need to sit on there knees ....... I dive cold water every winter when i ice dive and here in sweden its always cold when you go a little deeper, been diving for 14 ears and never had any frezing.. service your gear and buy good stuff like scubapro, all my regulators both back gas and deco and stage are scubapro MK25 G600 and never had problems like frezing..
defenderofsweden 3 years ago
In Austria and Germany we say " Sterben musst du sowieso schneller gehts mit Scubapro"
=
However you have to die, but with scubapro it won ´t take as much time!
;D
Sakul1321 3 years ago
coulda got ugly real fast. U saved that guy's bacon.
yzmanbad250 3 years ago
Scary!
mattn747 3 years ago
wow you penetrated a wreck on your first dive in the ocean.
warscout2 3 years ago
Whats important about this video is that he executed the skill in a no pressure exercise; moments later though when the event occurred for real the diver required the assistance of the safety diver to perform the skill. Practice is not perfect, so practice never stops.
GG4S3xTo 3 years ago
Good to see all were ok, I guess that what the training is all about, getting out of a bad situation. Crap I'm going diving this weekend!!!
madonvw 3 years ago
wtf happened? i didn't really see it...
swisspussyranger 3 years ago
RU blind? Freeflowing reg, and he couldn't shut it down.
bluecaver 3 years ago
ok when does it go bad i was to bored to watch it what happen?????
mattswifty12 3 years ago
I'm sorry, can someone with scooba diving explain what happened to them, or him? I have alway's wanted to scooba dive but I don't know about now, because, I don't understand what happened!?
Mylove03282008 3 years ago
Hmm I have had a couple of free flows at 20m+ in very very cold water. its no porblem if you know what to do and what to expect.
Tapped buddy on sholder. we ascended to 10m and he turned my air off to let the reg and 1st stage defrost ( yep icey lol) and we air shared up to the surface and sorted it out.
The scary part is watching your air gauge drop like a brick.220 200 190 170....
jezza1999 3 years ago
WOW, scary stuff when you see it happening. I've dove to 100' in Alaska and you try to picture how you and your partner would deal with free flow, thankfully i haven't had to.
Panic = Death. He had some good divers with him.
dagwoodak 3 years ago
haha gotta love johnny cashes version of hurt!
zacksmack17 3 years ago
the song is call 'Hurt' by Johnny Cash, its a cover of the Nine Inch Nails track. j
johonass 3 years ago
im 16, i recently passed my advanced grade open water, however doing my wreck dive at 20m down i had a massive free flow from my regulator valves freezig open, on both my main and emergency, being open water i didnt know what to do until my buddy and instructor came to me. it was an "oh shit!" moment but i remembered the free flow breathing and it was ok.
HellfireSarge 3 years ago
wait... so freeflowing in the second stage regulator or first stage?
soccom8341576 3 years ago
second.
HellfireSarge 3 years ago
very well controled by the instructers
paul221983 3 years ago
the singer is johny cash
paul221983 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this jpd971.
GOneScUBa 3 years ago
That's right. In very cold water the first stage of the regulator cen go in free flow, meaning the flow of air comming through the second stage is c
liberalc 3 years ago
Im confused. I also dont dive cold water. Can you explain what you mean?
SBPStudio 3 years ago
The first stage is used to reduce pressure from 200 (or 300 bar) to 8 to 10 bar above ambient pressure. In this case the air expands and cools down (same principle as a fridge). This is not a problem in warm water, but in cold water the 1st stage can freeze, causing it to go in free flow. Free flow meaning that the 1st stage of the regulator constantly releases air.
liberalc 3 years ago
that was very good thinking on the other divers part... dont panic and work to fix the problem.
dirtrider1221412 3 years ago
did he or she die? :c
yesdog10 3 years ago
yesdog10: No,no, he survived
overseasmedia 3 years ago
time to go to the looo .. stay safe and alone one needs diveing equment lol
rich762 3 years ago
Is it 120 feet or 120 metres depth?
DogDamour 3 years ago
1 feet = 30 centimeters
120x 30 = 3600centimeters ---> 36m
Sakul1321 3 years ago
Yes, a very useful solution for all those people who are unable to reach the back of their own neck.
BarryNL 3 years ago
Mutrino "independent doubles are unsafe, you are asking for trouble using that setup." Just curious why you think independent doubles are unsafe?
forexjunkie 3 years ago
i would crap myself
SOAssasin 3 years ago
BarryNL,
Be careful what you ask for
1)Hogarthian Config. was cave specific.
2) Cave! Both primary and octopus have long hoses. How could your, out of air, dive buddy follow you out of a narrow cave tunnel if your octopus hose is only 3 feet long?
3) Hogarthian Config. is now called "DIR Diving", DO IT RIGHT. It mentions a method to secure a 5-7 foot hose of the octopus to streamline the equipment.
4) Read the evolution:
the-scuba-shop(dot)com(slash)direvolution(dot)htm
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
The DIR config is a primary regulator on a 7' long hose and a backup regulator on a short hose secured around the neck with a bungee. The primary hose is held in place by routing under a canister lamp. That's all there is to it. It originated in cave diving but is suitable for all sorts of diving. In recreational diving a 5' hose can be used which does not need to route under the lamp cannister.
BarryNL 3 years ago
BarryNL,
Be careful what you ask for
1)Hogarthian Config. was cave specific.
2) Cave! Both primary and octopus have long hoses. How could your, out of air, dive buddy follow you out of a narrow cave tunnel if your octopus hose is only 3 feet long?
3) Hogarthian Config. is now called "DIR Diving", DO IT RIGHT. It mentions a method to secure a 5-7 foot hose of the octopus to streamline the equipment.
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
Not horizontal? Strike 1.
Didn't shutdown post and isolate the manifold? Strike 2.
Doing f@#King valve drills at 120? Strike 3.
Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
OkiMike 3 years ago
Jeez, these clowns are doing valve shutdowns on their knees. Handy as long as your equipment only ever fails while you are kneeling on the bottom. If you can't do a shutdown horizontal while controlling your buoyancy you shouldn't be tech diving.
BarryNL 3 years ago
BarryNL,
Do you know these Divers? Is this the trainee's first Tec training dive or 20th?
If you are a Diver, did you not learn all your skills first time on a platform? Did your Instructor have you do your first open-water mask removal and replacement mid-water?
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
BarryNL,
Also, read the title, they were doing training on what looks like the mask removal and recover exercise when a free flow occurred. The Trainee was unable to shut off the valve on his own. The Divemaster shut it down and a while later the instructor did hand over his octopus at 3:40 but the trainee was already in panic mode.
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
No one was practicing mask removals. They were practicing switching regs and valve shutdowns. When the diver switched to his backup, it let go.
jpd971 3 years ago
The diver in question probably had about 20 dives in that configuration, yet he couldn't shut down his own valves or fin properly.
jpd971 3 years ago
It doesn't matter if it's his first tec training dive - he doesn't have the basic recreational skills to be starting tec training.
BarryNL 3 years ago
There's nothing wrong with first learning how to shut down valves while kneeling in shallow water. However, you are right. If you can't do it when horizontal, you have no business tech diving. That's why I posted the video.
jpd971 3 years ago
does he die??
fastforwardrules 4 years ago
/////DIVE SAFE/////
canadianNS420 4 years ago 2
Having someone shut down my air for me would freak me out. BTW Forexjunkie I agree totally on independent doubles... and that would make about 50 people on the planet but thats ok.
r0ck3tsm0k3 4 years ago
independent doubles are unsafe, you are asking for trouble using that setup.
Mutrino 4 years ago
thats why I like to use independent doubles.
forexjunkie 4 years ago
What happened???????
swerd95 4 years ago
read the discription.
c1134206 4 years ago
what song is this?
mica410 4 years ago
Don't know the name of the song, but it's Johnny Cash. I'm pretty sure it was on his very last CD - the one that came out a couple years ago just after he passed away.
closetpunk2006 4 years ago
ty!
mica410 4 years ago
' Hurt ' origionally by Nine inch Nails and covered ( and more commonly known by) Johnny Cash
DrummerTurner 4 years ago
I'm a PADI Divemaster, certified in wreck and ice diving. And I have helped train a number of fire departments in ice diving. I and can't figure out why there was a big problem here. Even if this guy had a free flow, he should have had a backup regulator (octopus). Even if his tank went empty the other 2 guys should have had backup octopus regulators and I know the third spare tanks that each were carrying had regulators.
ClassicFIHD 4 years ago
There really wasn't a big problem. Well, other than the diver's inadequate flexibility - he couldn't shut down either the offending tank's valve or his isolator valve. That's why the one diver has to swim over and shuts him down. At that point, any prudent dive team would make a controlled ascent rather than rack up a deco obligation. The point was to show those that may be tempted to dive beyond their training what can and does happen.
jpd971 4 years ago
True. The video's caption made it sound like the guy died. I do see the Instructor passing over his octopus at 3:40 but at 3:51 it looks like they dropped it. Guess they got it back to him. At the very end it looks like the trainee was kicking his feet.
When I Divemaster I always hover behind the trainee ready to pounce if something happens. Had at least 3 try to bolt for the surface.
Note: Recreational SCUBA is very safe but it ends at 130 feet deep. After that your on your own.
ClassicFIHD 4 years ago
Re-read your Encyclopedia of Recreational Diving; tec divers don't use octopus backups. They use bungeed backups and long hoses.
BarryNL 3 years ago
BarryNL,
First, if you put a second stage regulator on an extended length low-pressure hose, wrap a bungee around it how would that not be an octopus? Or is it just an octopus on a longer hose?
Maybe when I was selling them I gave the wrong items to all my divers doing the Andrea Doria.
Second, since you refer to a recreational diving encyclopedia, you best not be doing any tec diving as recreational diving it only to a depth of 130 feet.
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
The long hose is the primary regulator. Type 'Hogarthian confiruration' into Google.
Maybe if more Doria divers got the gear and training they should have there wouldn't be enough stories of fatalities to fill two books.
BarryNL 3 years ago
BarryNL,
Careful what you ask for.
Google search found this:
The Bungie Style - Donating from One's Retaining Device
This style places the safe second or octopus hose in some type of surgical tubing or restrictive band. This band is placed on the side of the tanks, along the manifold or on the back plate. Divers who use a long hose (usually 5-7 ft. or 1.5-2 m) on their safe second usually `stuff` this hose during the equipment assembly portion of the dive.
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
haha sniperserg, recreational scuba diving is NOT the most dangerous sport in the world, even tech diving is not the most dangerous comes in close at number two but not the most.
8sms 4 years ago
why wouldent he just cover the regulator with his thumb??
thats what i had to do while practicing a free flow situation
goldenwingk 4 years ago
because if the reg is frozen that wont stop it you need to shut down that post
lowridersvt 4 years ago