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  • ahem... They will ALL be home by the holidays.

  • Well hhe still I bringing home our troops obama is doing what he said he going to do during elections he lets have a new made up goverment just a thought he. He killed osama,bringing. Home troops, they all ready said some troops will stay to train iraq etc.... Military

  • @timd941

    I have been tinkling the same thing! How did you know?

    My plan is to get elected as president and then my first order as president would be to get rid of presidents! Have an open poll like they do for elections, but for EVERYTHING!

    Vote Jacob L. Wright, 2012!

  • let's get rid of our government overall and have a direct deomcracy.

  • At least Mcsame was honest when he said we are never leaving from Iraq unlike Obama who lied and gave us false hope to win elections.

  • War according to Pentagon is simple.

    Dont have a goal and a plan and nobody can say you lost

  • 911 was funny, so was vietnam and this is just the same type of humor...

  • FAIL! haha

  • alot of people have ggg on thier face after the election and pres. obama checking off his promises one after another. with a no congress, im glad we are getting things done. like a fuking bizness where u try to fix things & then tweak it & again. there will be a time when things just cant be fixed so we plan 4 it. we the people just have to keep doers in the house & let the stallers/politians who politic away! mccain would still be putting off healthcare, iraq

  • ROFL!

    So Obama won't ever get us out of Iraq, huh?

    DBOZ, feeling stupid yet?

  • @GulfTangoSierra00000

    Um, we're still in Iraq. The war is ongoing.

  • she's looking like a foo with her brain on the ground.

  • war is over.....or so

  • How do you feel now that he is withdrawing the troops?

    Idiots

  • @nalgaface123456789 Withdrawing troops is not a good thing, look what happen back in the gulfwar we won we left, we did not help the governments over there set up train them or nothing just got up and hauled ass outta the middle east and as soon as we left it started turning to shit again. We need to learn from our mistakes!

  • @GottiPits

    Hey im on your side

  • @nalgaface123456789 just like in Vitenam..." We pulled out!. Not a very manly thing to do. Didnt it?"... George Carlin

  • I'm getting so fucking sick of you ill-informed conspirators and all you're bullshit conspiracy theories with zero fucking proof behind anything. Get a fucking mind of you're own, stop spreading this bullshit all over the internet like the AIDS virus in a gay bar on free drinks night. Monkey see Monkey post. THINK.

    PS: Go Fuck Yourself!

  • @GottiPits Know whay I think?

    Round all these dumbfaqs up & give em a firing squad.

    THEY'RE TOO STUPID TO LET LIVE!

  • Wow, didn't see that coming. They found a loophole. How unexpected. {end sarcasm}

  • I think Obama will keep his word: the troops will shortly depart from Iraq and move over to Afghanistan. right through Tehran. And then two miracles will happen: 1. The Iranis would collaborate fully, so there will not be as many casualties as many ppl are worried about. In fact, there might be fewer casualties in actual battle than in car crashes. 2. When the forces reach Afghanistan, they'll discover that they are not needed anymore, since without Iran's backing, global terror would disappear.

  • @TheEEStudent

    Iran backing the Talibans? My, are you dumb...

  • This chick is an idiot. I can't stand her.

  • i cant believe so many democrats arent holding obama to account.

  • I love stupid networks support Bush's bullshit, then condemn his replacement for the same thing. I'm not disputing the problems, but Right Wing nutjobs have argue against the Left Wing just out of spite, not out of principle.

  • I love stupid networks support Bush's bullshit, then condemn his replacement for the same thing. I'm not disputing the problems, but Right Wing nutjobs have argue against the Left Wing just out of spite, not out of principle.

  • Obama never promised to be out of Iraq. That thought is the work of Emmanuel Goldstein. Obama has always planned to remain in Iraq.

  • Obama goooood. You baaaaaaaaaad!  OOOOOOBBAAAAMMMMAAAA.

  • Obama goooood.  You baaaaaaaaaad! OOOOOOBBAAAAMMMMAAAA.

  • This is a small war ,vietnam was a big war there where like 100000 + units there and only 60000 in iraq but now that he is planing to attack pakistan who knows what will hapen ,if you think am a total idiot msg me

  • Too much money in war, and as long as there's oil they'll be there for a long long time...

    Some might suggest this isn't news, its common knowledge.

  • /watch?v=ORhfA3Tc3XY&feature=r­elated

  • Rachel Maddow...Worst. Liberal. Dude. Ever...and a skilled debater at nonsense...What a weirdo...she's one of those people that would fail a full body x-ray at any airport....

  • Rachel Maddow = dirty socialist cunt

    Thanks for helping Obama get elected Rachel, you fucking racist whore!

  • Okay the 9/11 thing was NOT caused by the U.S. we lost so much money from 9/11! You would have to be an idiot to think that the U.S. were behind 9/11.

  • check out my video in my channel

  • And now Obama and Lieberman want us in Yemen. A bigger nightmare than Iraq awaits us. They always use the name advisors. Gates should be in jail

  • It's good when Obama does it! And it's Bush's fault!

  • dyke!!!!!

  • you are STUPID.

    peace

  • well your Canadian, that's worse.

    peace

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  • VOTE THIRD PARTY.

  • I've never been a big Rachel Maddow fan however she is right on target.

  • Have you not all figured it out yet? There ALL LIARS. PERIOD! It dosent matter whos in office. There screwing over the public right under our own noses while we sat back and play with our electronics. OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES.

  • The king has no cloths! 9-11 inside job to promote US imperialism and establish permanent bases in the middle east.

    Run an oil pipeline, harvest the opium, encircle Russia and China. You think this is about liberating the poor brown people? LIES! They are worse off with us on their soil.

  • Gates is a neocon scumbag....Obama is an empty suit.

  • WW3 ON THE WAY !!!!

  • Finally, since Bush didn't care about Bin Laden, and left his failed wars, that have already lasted 8 long years, and were NEVER paid for, we have the DEMs in to clean up the yellow and brown stain on our military adventure into 3rd world nations. I mean, come on. Bush couldn't even beat Iraq?? OMG, the man is NO commander-in-chief. He can't even do Iraq?! Get a real man in there. Someone who can complete a full sentence in English. Not malapropism-in-chief! Laughable Rebumblicans! Pathetic!

  • medartist01 the democrats and republicans, all the politicians in Washington are just puppets, its the big banks and corporations that wanted this war in the Afghanistan and Iraq, its all about oil supply and defense contractors, Obama ain't getting us out cause he's another lying ass puppet politician working for Wall Street and the FED, Obama also said he would get rid off Bushies illegal Patriot Act then signed legislation to reinstate the Patriot Act, he's even more militaristic than Bush

  • right on.

  • moron

  • We're finally leaving Viet Nam. According to AP, this Sunday, we're beginning the huge ship-out of equipment, ahead of the draw-down deadline in 2010. Thank god. We can get out of this failed, had-nothing-to-do-with-9/11 fiasco that George Liar Bush started. The Republicans and McCain wanted to stay for a 100 yrs, and murder more US soldiers for nothing. Sorry. We ain't crazy like Palin. Change has come, with clear-headed thinking, and intelligent decisions. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

  • you know money isnt real we still have manpower

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  • also Kim Jong Il will say whatever he can to get attention, during Clinton administration our government sold Kim Jong Il nuclear reactors to start his nuclear proliferation and now you here the News Media scaring us but hey what about the fact that we sold him the weapons just like with Iraq...also our governments does business with one of the most corrupt evil regimes on the planet, America...Made In China profits off of 3rd world laber and lets 3rd world citizens use up our well fare fuck u

  • here is my guess you are a relatively young liberal person who would say they stand on neither the democrat nor republican side. you would say they are both different sides of one evil. in actuality you probably had relatively conservative parents and you rebelled against them and you are still rebelling against there old views. you have to get past what the world was like.

  • you are a stereotypical conspiracy theorist you probably suffer from some kind of mild mental disorder be it anything from OCD to mild panic attacks. who knows maby you just worry alot. my guess is that you are pretty interested in stocks., and that you aren't doing too well in the market. you are questioning the government because of personal insecurities. and you probably like sports quite a bit. my guess is golf its peaceful enough right?

  • and by the way you said fuck you at the end. you are a angry conspiracy theorist and that is a dangerous thing. judging by your hatred you probably like metal music. for the obvious reasons. you are interested in religion but not all there. sorry if none of that relates to you. but if it does think about the description and the fact that a random guy on the internet with a little experience in psychology can read you like a book.

  • when you can't answer the facts that I have stated you get on my page and snoop around and make assumptions that are both accurate of me and some that are not, I'm actually pretty conservative...so you're telling me I should be more upset about my favorite football team then the government because there is no such thing as government oppression, ok I can go back to sleep...sorry to say fuck you

  • the point is that even if all this that you believe is true there is nothing that one skeptical man can do about it. i am advising you to live your life and if the government is really bad than something will happen and it will turn out good or bad for us. but telling people about theories is going to work against your goals, in the long run. when a individual asserts his or her self to be better than there government they come off arrogant. and as my grandfather said no one likes a smart ass.

  • you immerse yourself in unproven theories and try for shortcuts. my advise to you concentrate on having a family find someone, work on putting or hitting a draw. life doesn't have to be a world filled with evil people out to get you. the world is as you see it. so find a happier approach on life

  • mrchuckles110 what am I lying about say it, I'll prove I'm not lying about anything, the truth is the truth even if your in minority of one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • i dont have the time to snoop. nd i didn't say that u were a liar. i said that u have a mind that is too far opened. the world isn't as deep as some people would tell you. the fact that you are conservative and vary from the usual conspiracy theorist stereotype, means that you simply follow things that could make sense. there is no un tampered evidence about the 911 "conspiracy" by questioning everything our government does we are effectively sealing our own fate. a divided america is a dead one

  • this is nazi occupation. those are war criminals. need to die like the nazis

  • lol nazi occupation? thats weird because i could swear that for something to be nazi the "nazi" people would have to be nazi's. this is called a war. and guess what if we let you as Israeli's to fight alone you would be screwed. if i were you i would support the US because we are your only lifeline. so be thankful. or bad things could happen to your country. lol think about what you say next time

  • dosent matter its like nazis. its the war of oil that what it is. 1.3 million dead iraqis.

  • no its not. the nazi's were after world domination and ethnic cleansing. we entered iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction and to stop a dictator who committed atrocities against his own people. and we have stayed until now preparing the Iraqi defense forces to handle the insurgent problem on there own

  • hahahahahahha your so brainwahsed by lies. stupid sheep. moron

  • actually u r all out of defenses and you dont have anything to back up ur poor argument. so u are resorting to insults. this is my problem with supposed "open minded" people they have big ideas but nothing to back them up with. and they r usually very arrogant, just like you. good day sir. and next time you accuse a country of a atrocity check your facts. good day sir. o and the 1.3 million that died 80 thousand were civilians and most of there deaths were caused by insurgents. look it up buddy

  • again its lies. all of what you told by tv. 911 was done by your government. to invade iraq and Afghanistan for the oil

  • give me proof. if you do that i will be open to the idea but if you are talking about the movie saying it was a conspiracy than i have already seen it and the images and supposed "evidence" were already tampered with. look it up. also the people who came up with the idea were like you and already hated the US government. did you know that the first person to mention the idea of 911 being a inside job was Ling Kim a war criminal from north korea.

  • watch 911 loose change stupid little pot smoking kid

  • i have already watched loose change. and again with the insults. you just cant take the fact that i am more intelligent and better researched than you will ever be. im sorry that you have no proof for any of your arguments and the fact that you still haven't admitted that without my government you have nothing. also i have smoked pot as a kid but that was it. and i had fun when i did. please next time you make a arrogant and stupid exclamation do your research. bye

  • what mrchuckles110 you can't handle the fact that the U.S. government is the biggest manufacturer of weapons to terrorist regimes around the world, the CIA created and invented Al Qaeda, then later they were used as the patsies for 911 just as Lee Harvy Oswald was used as a patsy for the JFK assassination, Bush signed on the NAFTA program that is to dissolve canada the U.S. and mexico into one economic unit called the North American Union like the EU... now Obama is going along with it...

  • and think of the fact that believing that is simply doing what the terrorists failed to do. tear America apart. and dont forget the country that you are accusing of doing these atrocities is the only thing keeping you and your people from being over run and destroyed by the countries surrounding you that hate you

  • how can this bitch be so perky in a time like this.

  • i know i hate that arrogant dyke

  • This is a female version of Obermann and just as HORRIBLE! All Far Left Kooks want to remake America by letting in every Illegal they can find and giving terrorists welfare payments after they release them into our cities!

    Maddow is a Cow!

  • Here's you change Obama maniacs!

  • Has the messiah lost his halo???

  • Yeah, i think its on the verge of choking him soon

  • I;m thinking .........whats the point ?

    The US government is soo corrupt, the people have no voice anymore.

    I am so saddend by the departure from morality, and all that is good, right into darkness and death.

  • it's no longer called war; it's now called occupation.

  • its called occupation by the bitch behind the desk

  • I feel soooo sad for the troops and their families. I can't really put it into words.

  • FUCK THE usa

  • lol canadian. your worthless

  • Fuckbrain I am not Canadian. But Canada way better than SHITHOLE usa.

  • well you keep calling America a shit hole and enjoy your third world country of Peru

  • I am proud to be Peruvian. I hate usa. all usa does in South America is exploit poor People & commit Genocide against South America Retard. usa belongs to the American Indian not to you white gringoi SCUM.

  • LOL Better to lie about when to end a war than to lie about why to start one.

  • WHEN ARE GOING TO FUCKING GET IT MORON!?!

    OBAMA = BUSH, there is NO difference.

    They are puppets

  • Obama is much better though.

  • @DontBeObamaZombies

    When will you understand that you are a puppet?

  • I hate this bitch with a passion. She sounds like shes reading a speech for her fourth grade class.

  • THAT makes no sense.

  • what u mean obamas not going to save the world? and hes bought and paid for by corporate interests just like bush. the hell u say.

  • I agree,Democrats-Republicans,,D­on't make a differance!!!Obama said when he got your Vote,,He's bringin all the Troops Home,,LMAO!!Now he'''ll, have more Troops under his Volunteer Civilian ARMY!!

  • u idiots!!! democrats and republicans are the same shit!!!!!! all idiots who are the same!!! omfg!!! u people u need to learn so much its not even funny

  • @ufohunter14

    you sound like a complete idiot

    you have no idea the amount of irony apparent in your comment

  • Rachel Maddow looks like a teenage boy, and Keith Olbermann probably likes that.

    When Maddow reads her script. she sounds like she's reading a scrip.

    Talentless liberal hack.

  • Maybe because she's a lesbian.  And you misspelled script. You a liberal hm? MOST liberals have talent. Wait, NOT a liberal?

  • democrats are such tards. wasn't he going to end the war?

  • He's close.

  • Wow...and McCain was actually planning to leave that country once and for all within his presidency. I really don't like McCain(even though I voted for him to vote against the Messiah and help secure Palin in). But I believe in Ron Paul's foreign policies as well.

    Such a shame...all but some odd 45 million Americans are WARMONGERS!!!

  • i dont believe there is any just war unless it is in true self defense of your life or liberties.

    a conquest is something i dont agree with,i just to be determined to join the military but now that i see how its being used and abused by ass holes with too much power i have decided against it.

  • right on Bro!! Fukeneh!!

  • Rachel ur a dumb bitch. You totally voted for obama and sucked his dick!!! and now your are forced to report against him you stupid fuck!!

  • sucka and ranchel maddow dumb bitch.

  • We got change alright. Bummer.

  • change, is staying the course, lmfao

  • War Is Peace,

    Slavery is Freedom,

    Austerity is Posterity

    Doom is Hope

  • fuck hope

  • Suckers

  • Looks like Rachel is getting a reality check. 5,971 views that is about 3,0000 more then people watch her on tv

  • puppet fer change!!!!

  • The Bush Wars? damn no liberal agenda/bias visible from this political commentator. What hypocrisy. Instead of calling out, what I am presuming, is the president she voted for for presumimly staying in the middle east, she blames Bob Gates. If your going to criticize the former President, call out the current one. This damn Obama love fest is making me sick. Oh and for any ignorant posters, I am a libertarian not Rep or Dem...I believe in rights and responsibilities.

  • Never liked Obama...on mickhel savage's radio station he exposes him and still nobody listened...its fucked!

  • it didnt take 3yrs to send them there so why so long to get them out? am i being naive

  • you are not being Naive.

    They just say 3 years, they are never leaving

  • Ron Paul was right....

  • Now Obama is bowing to the Saudi king and lying about everything. Sounds like he decieved everyone. Republicans and Democrats would kill just to get a seat somewhere in Washington. End of Days maybe? I think so. Look at Iran and Russia wanting to wipe out Israel. Written in the book of Revelation. My beliefs.

  • First the so-called stimulus packages, then the wars, now the so-called comprehensive immigration reform, this is so idiotic and disastrous.

  • If Obama promised that he would get troops out of Iraq, and doesn't do so, did he lie? Yes, if he promised.

    But wouldn't we want to keep troops there if it keeps Iraq stable and allows it to grow?Even if Obama lied, it shouldn't matter because he didn't have the entire knowledge of the situation in Iraq that he has now.Perhaps he is changing his mind because he has more information. In this case I have no problem with Obama changing his mind (or lying) if what he does is the right thing to do.

  • Yes, he lied.

    He is NEVER leaving Iraq.

    You got suckered

  • I didn't get suckered because that's not why I voted for him. I don't care if we leave troops in Iraq for a thousand years.

  • WE ARE GOING BANKRUPT.

    WE CANT AFFORD IT.

    Care about that?

  • Incorrect.

    Pick up a Newspaper.

    We dont have the money

  • 1.5 million Iraqis killed since the US occupation. How many more Iraqis must die for "their sake" before you wake up to reality? Over 1 million orphaned Iraqis so far and counting.

  • So it seems Obama basically bullshitted and used everyone who wanted an end to the occupation's bloodshed to get elected & now all we are left with is word games. Massaging the word combat How convenient.

    Sounds like something Bush would do, doesn't it?

    Still to someone like Michael Moore who fought to get him elected, Obama can do no wrong one of Michael's recent quotes "I await the President's next superhero move."

    I guess they must have massaged the meaning of the word superhero too.

  • Obama =  NWO

  • The Loyal Lemming will swallow anything. Obama was propelled by the incompetence of Bush, and he LOOKs like something new. Every American should be reminded of this quote,

    "Speak to me not in the confidence of men, but bind them down with the chains of our Constitution." TJ I think I am not sure. Trust me though... he and his admin, have our Constitution in their cross hairs.

  • Obama=NWO.

  • I'm glad that i havent been Obamatized,

    like some of my friends have,

    its a sad thing to see deluded people,

    Obama=NWO.

  • Obama lied!

    will people ever face it?

  • Time for the truth......

    Scratchy your head wondering why large numbers of troops are in Iraq, Pakistan, or elsewhere.

    Answer: They need to keep as much military busy, so they won't unite and help Americans rise up. That's the truth, too.

    So will they stay busy? you betcha!

  • They want to start WWIII there soon as well

  • Yeah. Depopulation works faster with that way , too.

  • I would think that every single Obama supporter should be outraged!!!!!!!

  • We call them Obama zombies =(

    People need to think for themselves and see the truth, stop the New World Order, imo.

  • You got it. Obama Zombies. It's kind of scary how they are into him.

    I do think though that many others are waking up.

  • Yes, hopefully this will continue to be the case, for the waking up part.

  • i KNEW , when Obama emphasized removing " all combat troops " and NOT ALL TROOPS PERIOD , he was playing semantics game to fool everybody .

    The plan has ALWAYS been to occupy IRAQ , before the illegal invasion and to occupy Afghanistan .

    Obama isnt saying remove " combat troops" leaves tens of thousands of MERCENARIES & regular military , of over 60 , 70 Thousand . Maddow 's " is our plan in Afghanistan ,smarter , better plan than the Russians "no rachel the gatekeeper , its still occupation

  • once obama got in.....and the generals made it clear to him that if we pull out of Iraq it will be "the fall of Saigon" all over again.....he had to change his tune. Obama may be green and inexperienced but he is not stupid.

  • He is still in a war we can afford to be in be in and that he promised to get out of= stupid

  • to DontBeObamaZombies: did you mean "can't" afford to be in? What you said makes no sense. Because we certainly cannot afford this war with the economy tanking. I assume you are not old enough to remember the Vietnam War......this is Viet-Nam all over again. All I am saying is he is now singing an entirely different tune now that he is in office and privy to all the classified military information. For all his campaign promises to be out of iraq fast.....he realizes it is "impossible" now

  • RON PAUL IS A TRUE HERO!!!

  • yes he is.

  • o :one

    b : big

    a: ass

    m: mistake

    a: america

  • good one!

  • lol thanks

  • The two party game plays on. The Democrats (now in power) are now engaging in the same pro war hysteria that the GOP put out for the last 8 years. Abet with better PR. Democrats don't end wars, they just fight them "right."

    Thankfully the rest of the world isn't as stupid as the average American voter. They won't care about "Change" or "Hope" when the bombs start to fall on their head. They will fight back.

    Those that voted for either McCain or Obama voted for more war.

  • yeah the democrats fought vietnam "right" huh? what about Carter's failure with Iran, Clinton's failure in Somalia and allowing Alqaida's succuss in attacking america? AWESOME track record the last 50 yrs

  • the failure with Iran was Proto-neo-conservative CIA policies setting up the shah as an american puppet and playing god with foreign gov't. We proped up the Ayatollah

  • Prepare to be very dissapointed in Barrack Obama.

    ~ Ralph Nader

  • to badjesus666: Yes....democrats may be quite dissapointed with Obama. He may turn out to be more of a "centerist" than a left winger.

  • And who is Gates' boss? OBAMMA!!!

  • Not exactly, more like Obama's Bosses are Gates' bosses