@Ascaithe Although, in fairness you have been putting words into the guy's mouth. Granted he doesn't seem to have a meaningful argument, but some of those statements and comparisons you made aren't really valid. You've set-up a bit of a straw man. You don't seem to know what the guy's actually talking about. All he's said are inane soundbytes. Whatever he's talking about, it's something vague, figurative and undefinable. You're both having a debate without defining the moot.
LOVE this film! Every time I watch it I'm left reeling in its awesomeness.
kind of find it hilarious and extremely annoying how people are going on tangents about 9/11..FOR GOD's SAKE! SHUT UP! The graphic novel was written in the 80's, it's set in England and is based on tyranny more than terrorism. if it was based on 9/11 you'd have to be on the f****** terrorist's side, because in case they haven't noticed V is a terrorist (but an awesome one).
this movie is made by big brother. violence solves nothing. they want violent uprising so they can smash us with an ironfist. LOVE OVERCOMES ALL. at the same time dont lay down and die...peace.
If we love the Taliban enough they'll throw down their arms?
The Armenians were exterminated by the Turks because they didn't love them enough?
Or is it possible that you've adopted the easiest viewpoint imaginable because to do anything else would require effort you are either incapable of putting in or unable to see the need for.
You have taken the easiest view which guarantees it will be two things; the most accepted, and the most incorrect.
(FUCK HITLER) Yes even Love your enemies...but dont allow evil to persist. through unconditional love i am truly free, i disagree and think Love is the hardest way. Hate/Fear is easy. i did say at the same time dont lay down and die...i would fight to the death in defense of me and mine.
You just said 'violence solves nothing' then in the next breath say you'd do violence if you were threatened?
Violence solves a lot of things. Saying 'violence never works' is wrong, saying 'violence always works' is wrong, but saying 'violence works if done for the right reasons at the right time and with enough inensity to stick' is enlightened.
you're right thats a contradiction...i dont condone violence and believe a violent rebellion and acts of terrorism like V are exactly what "they" want...we cant beat them in a gunfight. its like fighting tanks with bows and arrows. at the same time if something or someone threatens me or my family i wouldnt hesitate to use any means necessary to protect them.
saying violence=enlightenment is whats wrong...if everyone is aware and hold nothing but unconditional love then we already won...it is The Fear we are fighting.
Wat. Saying "if everyone loved each other all the time there'd be no war" is just like saying "if there was no war there'd be no war, or "if there was no runners there'd be no runners" or "if there was no food on earth everyone would starve".
Fucking duh. But it doesn't mean anything. Of course you can just say "if I had omnipotence I could just remove X so that Y was true". It doesn't mean anything in the real world.
i didnt say any of that...dont twist my words because you disagree with them...it means what i said. whats "the real world"? your perception of reality?
I never said you said any of that, I said what you said contains the same logical fallacy as those statements, which is true.
My perception of reality is irrelevant. No matter how skewered your hippy comprehension of the physical universe is one thing is clear; the world can no more contain unconditional love for everyone than it can contain unconditional hate for everyone, or unconditional support for one football team or one religion or one favorite color.
you were misquoting me hence the quotation marks...now you're insulting me which indicates that what I said makes you uncomfortable and more importantly that I'm wasting my time...peace yo.
As if often the case with people who declare themselves to be right; they are usually the most wrong out of anyone.
Quotation marks are used to differentiate an entire phrase from another sentence. When typing out a sentence within another sentence you must use inverted commas, or quotation marks. It does not invariably indicate a quote.
You have provided no counter argument, you've declared yourself right, myself wrong, and said we cannot continue arguing because you're too revolutionary.
once again you are placing words in my mouth. i never said i was right, i could be wrong atleast i can admit that. i refuse to argue or even deal with someone who reverts to insults as it shows you are ignorant and immature. thats my opinion. when the hell did i say "we cannot continue because im too revolutionary"? never. you have issues my friend. lets agree to disagree. no response is necessary.
You're so transparent. You think I can't see that you're taking my description of what you've done and saying "Those aren't the exact words I used! Therefore it's inaccurate!".
Still, I'm not agreeing to disagree. I'm going to stop arguing with you, but I'm never going to be ok with your half baked opinions on the world, because they're not worthy of my being ok with them. They're ill-thought out and they take nothing about the world or human nature into account.
@salamirterra I've met a lot of people who share the same irritating, trite, inane, meaningless sentiments of that guy you were arguing with. They're very annoying, but you can't win in an argument with them- because to win a proper, reasoned argument requires both parties to have an understanding of basic logic- something which they lack. These people operate on nice-sounding soundbytes, which they have no ability to analyse and dissect. Unfortunately they're all too common these days.
Remember remember 11 September that Thomas Percy forgot. He lost his head and now he's dead in Gunpowder treason Plot. His offspring begot Barbara Pierce is not hot, and George W eats his own snot. -PirateNews o r g
wow this movie is amazing.....it basically has all of my views in it. people say communism is the worst kinda of government in this country.. they haven't seen anything yet till they see fascism. people sometimes forget the germans aka nazis were so evil because of the communists. the communists werent even this bad. now a days the word communists comes out of ever conservatives mouth theses days towards someone who is liberal. we must all fear fascism it is the sum of all evils!!
I think that those who do not think for themselves are ignorant. I myself have never met a 'strong' liberal, any wind can move their ideas. Self-reliance has been replaced by convienience. It's easy to take without giving. It's hard to give without asking for more. Think Labor Party ideas since you're so into 'the body politic'
why do all of u conservatives think liberals are lower then you.. your not better than anyone. i know along of strong liberals just because they dont shoot cops to protest anti gun laws. doesn't mean their not strong! FACE IT OBAMA IS THE SHIT! IF sarah palin wasn't hot no one would care about here. dumbest person i ever saw
Ironic that I've found that usually it is Liberals who feel they must show others the way, to se the example, y'know? That in itself is illustration that liberals feel that without their guidance others are lost, i.e. weak or lower. I ascribe to neither idea. I think as an individual you should learn to THINK FOR YOURSELF. You are right about Obama being the shit though..... think about that. BTW, what makes you think I'm conservative? Methinks you are paranoid. Learn to think for yourself.
That's a load of bull. It is the right wing of this country that supports legislation and espouses philosophical positions that seek to "show others the way" through incredibly intrusive legislation on the one hand and a malevolent rollback of protective legislation on the other hand.
No one made him "out to be a savior", that was the CON-servative segment of this population who propagated that falsehood. Democrats and the rest of the public who voted for him merely made him out to be the elected president of these united states.
If you were realistic, you'd at least know that much.
Ask yourself, does matching violence with violence really solve anything? In the end, as they say: "War does not determine who is right, only who is left."
And, if there had been true chaos, that which makes anarchy a form of lawlessness, not a form of freedom which they claim it to be, but a form of obliteration, the people would have been blinded by animalistic tendency. That, quite simply is why Humans are also superior to animals in a way: Because we also can learn, be changed.
I agree with V on nearly every point. But he left out one key element in nearly all governments: The ability to change. To reform. His speech, while it was undoubtedly a great work in itself, left out that which I believe makes order and law superior to anarchy and chaos in every possible way. The government at the end of this movie is peacefully overthrown, and as a result, the people are free to decide for themselves. But, if it had been anarchy, there would be blood.
Would u say that humanity is not a violent race? And anarchy is about freeing the individuel from others influence. So he is not really speaking about Anarchy but as you say, a reform
The only historical facts that matter is that people should never sacrifice essential LIBERTY for security, blind obedience begets tyranny. To be regained as easily as in this movie is the fantasy. Freedom is not won by those knowing they will be victorious, but by those who risk everything knowing they can will pay the ultimate price. "The romans make a desert and call it peace...."
@LinnTractorNut No, It merely takes a genius who has nothing more to loose, you suffer long enough you die and become a reborn being. you learn how to walk breath new. but nothing like this can happen in the UK Or the US Because Evil like this can try, But such evil Cannot come from abroad. It comes From Amongst us. the people of our free nations know better. only so much though.
Not really. No one was impressed with Guy Fawkes, not in England at the time anyway. The reaction of the public was mainly "Oh, someone tried to blow up Parliament? Bastard." That was about it. The fact that people now think "Oh, remember remember the 5th of November!" only shows that people can twist or misunderstand history for their own purposes.
Hmm...yeah, sorry, the gunpowder plot was not some noble enterprise, it was a lot of dissatisfied catholics trying to blow up Parliament for very little reason. It deserves only a footnote in history, to show extremists will always resort to the same methods.
footnote dont be silly we should destroy parliment catholics arnt aloowd to be prime minister rasicist proestants and britains losing the plot recession andthe goverment is making it worse 1 day this will happen for real or goverment rules change or alot of ppl will die for nothing
Catholics can be prime minister; they just can't inherit the crown. And for god's sake, learn to spell properly and use grammar, no one can tell what you're saying.
@sashsashsha Not the most epic comment to have up in the highest rated section. Gotta love the features that the YouTube designers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to implement.
hmm das kenn ich doch ..islamisten die den koran nicht kennen und leute totschlagen wegen dem koran oder christen die meinen sie wären christen ,in wirklichkeit dumme arschlöcher ?? hmm Angst ist eine macht !
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mwsemones 1 week ago
Awesome scene.
bjr43 3 months ago
VIVA LA REVOLUTION! >:D Ahh how Humanity evolves!
heartlessdanny 3 months ago
fear got the best of you
the highlight of the whole video
Imsomiac96 8 months ago
Gaddafi dislikes this.
richardtheteague 11 months ago
@Ascaithe Although, in fairness you have been putting words into the guy's mouth. Granted he doesn't seem to have a meaningful argument, but some of those statements and comparisons you made aren't really valid. You've set-up a bit of a straw man. You don't seem to know what the guy's actually talking about. All he's said are inane soundbytes. Whatever he's talking about, it's something vague, figurative and undefinable. You're both having a debate without defining the moot.
Ascaithe 1 year ago
As an Egyptian, this is a huge source of inspiration.
MuslimWithAttitude1 1 year ago
can anyone pls...those who have the copy or memorized his speech...pls comment it or mail it to me here...pls...tnx
ajnUrIkO22 1 year ago
"Those who are willing to exchange Liberty for Security, deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin
roytatem 1 year ago
LOVE this film! Every time I watch it I'm left reeling in its awesomeness.
kind of find it hilarious and extremely annoying how people are going on tangents about 9/11..FOR GOD's SAKE! SHUT UP! The graphic novel was written in the 80's, it's set in England and is based on tyranny more than terrorism. if it was based on 9/11 you'd have to be on the f****** terrorist's side, because in case they haven't noticed V is a terrorist (but an awesome one).
ok..rant over
UKxxSophiiiexxUK 2 years ago
many non english wouldnt know about guy fawkes day. even Australians no longer celebrate the day. shame my mother always enjoyed it
TheLolbot3000 2 years ago
this movie is made by big brother. violence solves nothing. they want violent uprising so they can smash us with an ironfist. LOVE OVERCOMES ALL. at the same time dont lay down and die...peace.
DoctorSess 2 years ago
So we should have loved Hitler?
If we love the Taliban enough they'll throw down their arms?
The Armenians were exterminated by the Turks because they didn't love them enough?
Or is it possible that you've adopted the easiest viewpoint imaginable because to do anything else would require effort you are either incapable of putting in or unable to see the need for.
You have taken the easiest view which guarantees it will be two things; the most accepted, and the most incorrect.
salamirterra 1 year ago
(FUCK HITLER) Yes even Love your enemies...but dont allow evil to persist. through unconditional love i am truly free, i disagree and think Love is the hardest way. Hate/Fear is easy. i did say at the same time dont lay down and die...i would fight to the death in defense of me and mine.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
You just said 'violence solves nothing' then in the next breath say you'd do violence if you were threatened?
Violence solves a lot of things. Saying 'violence never works' is wrong, saying 'violence always works' is wrong, but saying 'violence works if done for the right reasons at the right time and with enough inensity to stick' is enlightened.
salamirterra 1 year ago
you're right thats a contradiction...i dont condone violence and believe a violent rebellion and acts of terrorism like V are exactly what "they" want...we cant beat them in a gunfight. its like fighting tanks with bows and arrows. at the same time if something or someone threatens me or my family i wouldnt hesitate to use any means necessary to protect them.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
saying violence=enlightenment is whats wrong...if everyone is aware and hold nothing but unconditional love then we already won...it is The Fear we are fighting.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
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salamirterra 1 year ago
Wat. Saying "if everyone loved each other all the time there'd be no war" is just like saying "if there was no war there'd be no war, or "if there was no runners there'd be no runners" or "if there was no food on earth everyone would starve".
Fucking duh. But it doesn't mean anything. Of course you can just say "if I had omnipotence I could just remove X so that Y was true". It doesn't mean anything in the real world.
salamirterra 1 year ago
i didnt say any of that...dont twist my words because you disagree with them...it means what i said. whats "the real world"? your perception of reality?
DoctorSess 1 year ago
I never said you said any of that, I said what you said contains the same logical fallacy as those statements, which is true.
My perception of reality is irrelevant. No matter how skewered your hippy comprehension of the physical universe is one thing is clear; the world can no more contain unconditional love for everyone than it can contain unconditional hate for everyone, or unconditional support for one football team or one religion or one favorite color.
salamirterra 1 year ago
you were misquoting me hence the quotation marks...now you're insulting me which indicates that what I said makes you uncomfortable and more importantly that I'm wasting my time...peace yo.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
As if often the case with people who declare themselves to be right; they are usually the most wrong out of anyone.
Quotation marks are used to differentiate an entire phrase from another sentence. When typing out a sentence within another sentence you must use inverted commas, or quotation marks. It does not invariably indicate a quote.
You have provided no counter argument, you've declared yourself right, myself wrong, and said we cannot continue arguing because you're too revolutionary.
salamirterra 1 year ago
once again you are placing words in my mouth. i never said i was right, i could be wrong atleast i can admit that. i refuse to argue or even deal with someone who reverts to insults as it shows you are ignorant and immature. thats my opinion. when the hell did i say "we cannot continue because im too revolutionary"? never. you have issues my friend. lets agree to disagree. no response is necessary.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
You're so transparent. You think I can't see that you're taking my description of what you've done and saying "Those aren't the exact words I used! Therefore it's inaccurate!".
Still, I'm not agreeing to disagree. I'm going to stop arguing with you, but I'm never going to be ok with your half baked opinions on the world, because they're not worthy of my being ok with them. They're ill-thought out and they take nothing about the world or human nature into account.
Now fuck off.
salamirterra 1 year ago
@salamirterra I've met a lot of people who share the same irritating, trite, inane, meaningless sentiments of that guy you were arguing with. They're very annoying, but you can't win in an argument with them- because to win a proper, reasoned argument requires both parties to have an understanding of basic logic- something which they lack. These people operate on nice-sounding soundbytes, which they have no ability to analyse and dissect. Unfortunately they're all too common these days.
Ascaithe 1 year ago
operationnorthwoodz 2 years ago 3
@pinchaser
You need to re-think your opinion.
explizidace 2 years ago 2
dude i do think for myself...i dont understand why on youtube if i post a non harmful comment why someone always wants to debate something.
Steelerssuck81 2 years ago
wow this movie is amazing.....it basically has all of my views in it. people say communism is the worst kinda of government in this country.. they haven't seen anything yet till they see fascism. people sometimes forget the germans aka nazis were so evil because of the communists. the communists werent even this bad. now a days the word communists comes out of ever conservatives mouth theses days towards someone who is liberal. we must all fear fascism it is the sum of all evils!!
Steelerssuck81 2 years ago
So you're saying all 'conservatives' are fascists? To which political bullshit do you ascribe? Hopefully none.
PinChaser0 2 years ago
no the words never came out of my mouth....do u think stong liberals like me are communists?
Steelerssuck81 2 years ago
I think that those who do not think for themselves are ignorant. I myself have never met a 'strong' liberal, any wind can move their ideas. Self-reliance has been replaced by convienience. It's easy to take without giving. It's hard to give without asking for more. Think Labor Party ideas since you're so into 'the body politic'
PinChaser0 2 years ago
why do all of u conservatives think liberals are lower then you.. your not better than anyone. i know along of strong liberals just because they dont shoot cops to protest anti gun laws. doesn't mean their not strong! FACE IT OBAMA IS THE SHIT! IF sarah palin wasn't hot no one would care about here. dumbest person i ever saw
Steelerssuck81 2 years ago
Ironic that I've found that usually it is Liberals who feel they must show others the way, to se the example, y'know? That in itself is illustration that liberals feel that without their guidance others are lost, i.e. weak or lower. I ascribe to neither idea. I think as an individual you should learn to THINK FOR YOURSELF. You are right about Obama being the shit though..... think about that. BTW, what makes you think I'm conservative? Methinks you are paranoid. Learn to think for yourself.
PinChaser0 2 years ago
That's a load of bull. It is the right wing of this country that supports legislation and espouses philosophical positions that seek to "show others the way" through incredibly intrusive legislation on the one hand and a malevolent rollback of protective legislation on the other hand.
blacknosugarnocream 2 years ago
Face it, Obama's not the savior Democrat's have made him out to be. He's done very little while in office.
Note: I am very much a leftist. But I'm also a realist.
jpmgmpj 2 years ago 3
No one made him "out to be a savior", that was the CON-servative segment of this population who propagated that falsehood. Democrats and the rest of the public who voted for him merely made him out to be the elected president of these united states.
If you were realistic, you'd at least know that much.
blacknosugarnocream 2 years ago
Ask yourself, does matching violence with violence really solve anything? In the end, as they say: "War does not determine who is right, only who is left."
And, if there had been true chaos, that which makes anarchy a form of lawlessness, not a form of freedom which they claim it to be, but a form of obliteration, the people would have been blinded by animalistic tendency. That, quite simply is why Humans are also superior to animals in a way: Because we also can learn, be changed.
NicholasGeschke 2 years ago
What a great speech.
I agree with V on nearly every point. But he left out one key element in nearly all governments: The ability to change. To reform. His speech, while it was undoubtedly a great work in itself, left out that which I believe makes order and law superior to anarchy and chaos in every possible way. The government at the end of this movie is peacefully overthrown, and as a result, the people are free to decide for themselves. But, if it had been anarchy, there would be blood.
NicholasGeschke 2 years ago
What is wrong with violence?
Would u say that humanity is not a violent race? And anarchy is about freeing the individuel from others influence. So he is not really speaking about Anarchy but as you say, a reform
Tveden2 2 years ago
The only historical facts that matter is that people should never sacrifice essential LIBERTY for security, blind obedience begets tyranny. To be regained as easily as in this movie is the fantasy. Freedom is not won by those knowing they will be victorious, but by those who risk everything knowing they can will pay the ultimate price. "The romans make a desert and call it peace...."
LinnTractorNut 3 years ago 21
@LinnTractorNut Bloody Hell.
Psychocybinator 1 year ago
@LinnTractorNut No, It merely takes a genius who has nothing more to loose, you suffer long enough you die and become a reborn being. you learn how to walk breath new. but nothing like this can happen in the UK Or the US Because Evil like this can try, But such evil Cannot come from abroad. It comes From Amongst us. the people of our free nations know better. only so much though.
thecopykidofthestarz 1 year ago
Not really. No one was impressed with Guy Fawkes, not in England at the time anyway. The reaction of the public was mainly "Oh, someone tried to blow up Parliament? Bastard." That was about it. The fact that people now think "Oh, remember remember the 5th of November!" only shows that people can twist or misunderstand history for their own purposes.
sashsashsha 3 years ago
Hmm...yeah, sorry, the gunpowder plot was not some noble enterprise, it was a lot of dissatisfied catholics trying to blow up Parliament for very little reason. It deserves only a footnote in history, to show extremists will always resort to the same methods.
sashsashsha 3 years ago
It deserves all of the notability it gets. It shows that rebellion has more influence than people think.
TheSilverAce 3 years ago
footnote dont be silly we should destroy parliment catholics arnt aloowd to be prime minister rasicist proestants and britains losing the plot recession andthe goverment is making it worse 1 day this will happen for real or goverment rules change or alot of ppl will die for nothing
JamesCunnyy 3 years ago
Catholics can be prime minister; they just can't inherit the crown. And for god's sake, learn to spell properly and use grammar, no one can tell what you're saying.
sashsashsha 3 years ago 7
@sashsashsha Not the most epic comment to have up in the highest rated section. Gotta love the features that the YouTube designers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to implement.
Ascaithe 1 year ago
@sashsashsha: Has Britain ever had a Catholic PM?
akosigundam 10 months ago
hmm das kenn ich doch ..islamisten die den koran nicht kennen und leute totschlagen wegen dem koran oder christen die meinen sie wären christen ,in wirklichkeit dumme arschlöcher ?? hmm Angst ist eine macht !
firstdutch 3 years ago
Remember Remember The Fifth of November
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot
I Know of No Reason
Why Gunpowder Treason
Should Ever be Forgot...
DeathJuiceLowCarbs 3 years ago
Way to quote it wrong.
WatchHawk 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure that's accurate.
DeathJuiceLowCarbs 2 years ago
Close, but you missed the "The." It sounds pretty retarded without it.
WatchHawk 2 years ago
Where?
DeathJuiceLowCarbs 2 years ago
one of the best scenes in the movie. Remember the 5th!
mukhlisz 3 years ago 2
This is such a great movie! And how soothing and perfect is his voice??
hrauthor87 3 years ago 3